Speaker 1: What's up, Rannon?
Speaker 2: How's they going?
Speaker 1: What's going on? I'm down the Jersey Shore, so it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of.
Speaker 2: That every.
Speaker 3: Coming to laundry GTL down the Shore.
Speaker 1: YO, Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three point
Speaker 1: fifty one, Episode two of Dardilly's gust a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. And it is Tuesday, August thirteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, Tuesday the thirteenth, famously Spooky. My name is,
Speaker 1: of course the Spooky Friday, the thirteenth ghost who coprom
Speaker 1: surrounding goes woo Jason Board He's famous line, Yes, my name's.
Speaker 4: Jack O'Brien aka JJ Redrick tracking down the tweet JJ
Speaker 4: Redrick is water ice, not pee, JJ Redrick.
Speaker 1: You don't believe me, but it's the truth. It could
Speaker 1: have happened, no to you, not pee. That is courtesy
Speaker 1: of halcyon Salad on the Discord, kind of a mashup
Speaker 1: reference to a run of rhetoric nicknames that Miles and
Speaker 1: I got on last week. For reasons I don't remember.
Speaker 1: We hit rhetoric Taylor Drederick Taylor Simpson's reference and of
Speaker 1: course JJ Rederick and then also referring to the time
Speaker 1: I went on a scary ride at Ocean City's Wonderland
Speaker 1: Pier and might have peed my pants. As a full adult,
Speaker 1: I might have. I don't. Don't this calls for another
Speaker 1: OOO scary That is what I did after I said
Speaker 1: oOoOO to try and distract people. I don't know. My
Speaker 1: pants were just wet. I don't think I peed my pants,
Speaker 1: but everybody else thinks I did. Also update on that
Speaker 1: theme park I am down the shore and that dilapidated
Speaker 1: amusement park I grew up going to. It's just this
Speaker 1: like massive dirty smells, like roller coaster grease. Even though
Speaker 1: they shut the Big roller coaster down in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: nine when it killed two people. A few days ago
Speaker 1: they announced it has been sold and is shutting down
Speaker 1: after like ninety four years in operation. It's what a
Speaker 1: shame like. And it's like a I think the owner
Speaker 1: of the person who like the landlord, is like a
Speaker 1: hotel developer, like a full eighties movie back, trying to
Speaker 1: shut down the like the children's dancing the Comunity Center.
Speaker 1: Yeah the fuck anyways, rip to Wonderland peer. I will
Speaker 1: be taking my kids there tonight and I will not
Speaker 1: be pissing my pants. That is the Jack O'Brian guarantee.
Speaker 1: I am thrilled to be joined in our second seat
Speaker 1: today by very special co host, talented writer, stand up comedian,
Speaker 1: co host of The Bechdel Cast, one of the great
Speaker 1: film podcasts. They also happen to have a master's degree
Speaker 1: in film. The most anagrammable name in the English language,
Speaker 1: so if you've been given their name in a jumble
Speaker 1: of out of order scrabble tiles, you may know them
Speaker 1: as Lauren d Titanic Latin dancer, Uti nine tit Dracula.
Speaker 1: But to us they will always be Caitlin Doronte.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I have a new one AKA,
Speaker 3: And do I feel silly saying this in front of
Speaker 3: such an.
Speaker 1: Esteemed guest world. We've already just jumped off the cliff
Speaker 1: of good taste, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: You're talking about pissing your pants, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I thought that would maybe take the pressure of.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Okay, Caitlin Dronte aka A rancid
Speaker 3: lun tit, A rancid lun tit. Yeah, this is a
Speaker 3: new one. I haven't I haven't discovered this one until today.
Speaker 3: L u n e l u n e. Which if
Speaker 3: you're like, what's that? What's I thought it was l
Speaker 3: o o n you know, a bird? Maybe I'm not sure,
Speaker 3: but a luon l u n e. Let me just
Speaker 3: do a quick.
Speaker 1: And of course that is and we all know it, folks,
Speaker 1: So I don't know why I'm even having to tell you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I just want to get this exactly correct.
Speaker 3: It's a crescent shaped figure formed on a sphere or
Speaker 3: plane by two arcs intersecting at two points. We all
Speaker 3: know exactly what that is.
Speaker 1: Yes, the moonlike crescent. Yes, Caitlyn, the moonlight crescent. Amazing. Well,
Speaker 1: it's great to have another Caitlin Durante anagram in the family,
Speaker 1: in the zeke loon, in the zeitgeist, and it has
Speaker 1: entered the zeitgeist, the rancid lun tit.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and I would be remiss my
Speaker 3: responsibilities as co host today. I have to say that today,
Speaker 3: August thirteenth is National Filet Mignon Day. Okay, national is
Speaker 3: our International left handers Day. You're left handed, it's your day.
Speaker 1: And I was pumping my right hand, but I am
Speaker 1: left handed.
Speaker 3: Okay, very good. And then also National Prosecco Day, so
Speaker 3: we've got to kind of fancy, you know, prosecco filet
Speaker 3: mignon if.
Speaker 1: You're feeling Nazi, fucking fancy.
Speaker 3: Have a dinner. I don't think prosecco really goes with
Speaker 3: filet mignon. You would have probably a red wine with
Speaker 3: with a steak.
Speaker 1: But you know, prosecco is like a non champagne champagne.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's champ it's the poor man's champagne.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sham champagne, but not fully champagne.
Speaker 3: It's sham champagne.
Speaker 1: It is in no way the file mignon of champagne.
Speaker 1: It is no no, no, no, no no no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no, it is yeah. It's the skirt steak. It's
Speaker 1: the the hot dog, the hot dog. Anyways, Caitlin, we
Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined by one of the hosts
Speaker 1: of popular Cradle podcast, a podcast about Palestine. Also co
Speaker 1: hosts five to four, a podcast about all the ways
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is a fucking disaster. She's a supervising
Speaker 1: attorney at Texas Law, has worked as a public defender
Speaker 1: in Rio Grande City, Texas and an act of who
Speaker 1: got arrested for protesting Israel's ongoing atrocities against Palestine. Please
Speaker 1: welcome back to the show, Rihann.
Speaker 2: And Hama Me. I didn't prepare any akaa's, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess that Rihann and hammam aka jailbird. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right. You've been arrested since we
Speaker 1: last spoke.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, great to be back.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Thank you for being here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got arrested protesting on the campus of University of Texas,
Speaker 1: do you I'm sure you've talked about it. I know
Speaker 1: you've talked about it on five four. I heard you
Speaker 1: talk about it on five four. Yeah, but can you
Speaker 1: talk about kind of what what that experience was like
Speaker 1: has been like.
Speaker 2: You know, it was it was it was super crazy.
Speaker 2: It was super crazy. It was really quite random, you know,
Speaker 2: if people kind of followed this of course, you know,
Speaker 2: like things like the student encampment movement and that kind
Speaker 2: of like tactic of protests on campuses was really intense
Speaker 2: and widespread over the spring at UT. On the day
Speaker 2: that I was arrested, there wasn't even a student encampment.
Speaker 2: It was just students gathering for like, you know, a
Speaker 2: teaching and some art activities and talking about the genocide.
Speaker 2: And yes, State of Texas through ut basically just called
Speaker 2: the cops on this crowd, called the cops on a
Speaker 2: bunch of kids standing on standing on the lawn at
Speaker 2: their school. So yeah, I got arrested there. It was
Speaker 2: really it was. It was so wild. You know, it's
Speaker 2: hard to like derive really like any like strong lessons
Speaker 2: out of it, like about the law or something like that,
Speaker 2: because it's just like, no, the lesson is like the
Speaker 2: state will call in cops to beat up some kids
Speaker 2: if they don't like what you're saying, right, Like, that's
Speaker 2: that's kind.
Speaker 1: Of it, and we'll rescue and do and do violence
Speaker 1: regardless of whether you respond, you know, do respond to
Speaker 1: what they're telling you to do. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all for exercising your first Amendment.
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, Yeah, kind of like I guess I learned
Speaker 2: the wrong first Amendment in law school, but something different
Speaker 2: than what the uh than what state troopers in Texas learned,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I like that they weren't ready on the
Speaker 1: day of the actual protests, so they were like, that's
Speaker 1: not going to work for us, but there are people here,
Speaker 1: so can we just like kind of go through with this.
Speaker 1: I already have like the shit on me, like I
Speaker 1: have all the got on. I brought a huge but
Speaker 1: comfortable and I.
Speaker 2: Also brought thirty massive horses. So can I just let
Speaker 2: loose on these nineteen year olds or what? You know?
Speaker 1: That's right? All right, Well, I'm sorry you went through that,
Speaker 1: but thank you for your courage in the face of
Speaker 1: state violence and you know, just fucking the ongoing horrors
Speaker 1: of this civilization we live in. We are going to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the Supreme Court with you.
Speaker 2: Another horror, another horror.
Speaker 1: Specifically, I want to talk about Trump the United States.
Speaker 1: I knew this was bad when it happened. I didn't
Speaker 1: really get how bad it was until listening to five
Speaker 1: four the Supreme Court decision that was basically like we
Speaker 1: have King now. Yeah. I know, I know you thought
Speaker 1: that was like one of the founding things. No, we
Speaker 1: have King now, So yeah, I want to talk about that.
Speaker 1: I also want to talk about the first episode of
Speaker 1: five to four was about Bush v. Gore throwback, throw
Speaker 1: way back, but it's I know, it turns out I
Speaker 1: don't know. I've been thinking a lot about that lately,
Speaker 1: just because it feels like the the Trump or the
Speaker 1: Trump campaign is gearing up to try to do another
Speaker 1: election where the Supreme Court determines who won the election.
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that, and we might get to
Speaker 1: Navajo water rights, which another recent opinion where written by
Speaker 1: none other than Brett Kavanaugh, just fucking killing it. Just
Speaker 1: what a Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: You don't even need Trump for that kind of evil. Yeah,
Speaker 2: turned out the Court is delivering doling out those decisions
Speaker 2: with or without the Trump as president.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can do bad all on their own.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Before we get to all of that, we do like
Speaker 1: to get to know you a little bit better by
Speaker 1: asking what is something from your search history that's realing
Speaker 1: about who you are?
Speaker 2: Okay, search history right now is a lot of used cars,
Speaker 2: and you know what, I know we're going to go
Speaker 2: into underrated and overrated and this is this is this
Speaker 2: is very much connected. So right now used cars, I'm
Speaker 2: looking at how much is how much is a Honda
Speaker 2: Civic going for these days? How much is a how
Speaker 2: much is a Kia Soul? You know, yeah, so that's
Speaker 2: the search history really stacked with used cars right now?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 3: Are you in the market for one? Well, nope, curious.
Speaker 2: Should I go ahead and tell you my underrated I
Speaker 2: think so? Yeah, so underrated rip twenty fourteen Kia Soul,
Speaker 2: one thousand miles on it. It served me so well.
Speaker 2: Salute the twenty fourteen Kia Soul because she died.
Speaker 3: She died just last week.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Michael, Michael Wizza. I know, I know listeners
Speaker 1: at home think Justin is piping that in from an
Speaker 1: actual military funeral, But no, that is our very on
Speaker 1: Kaitlin Durante revealing themselves to be the this generations. Michael Winslow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so underrated. Is that beautiful Hamster car, the Kia Soul.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was the Okay, that was the Hamster car.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what a swing image, what a big swing
Speaker 2: and she did so much for me.
Speaker 1: Yes, The car commercials have been the same for the
Speaker 1: past twenty years. They have been, for the most part,
Speaker 1: a glamour shots of the car driving through a for
Speaker 1: whatever reason.
Speaker 3: The windiest road that's ever happened.
Speaker 1: Completely depopulated landscape for some reason. Yeah and yeah, they
Speaker 1: were just like what if we like some fun giant
Speaker 1: human sized hamsters. Yeah, just fucking speeding around on.
Speaker 2: This camster's in close and also like dancing to the
Speaker 2: beat of an LMFAO song. Yeah, and that was That
Speaker 2: was the Kia Soul marketing plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it worked.
Speaker 2: It worked. It clearly worked. It clearly worked. And you
Speaker 2: know what, it was a good car. I'll say it.
Speaker 2: I'm brave and the twenty fourteen Kia Soul is one
Speaker 2: of the best cars ever made. Well, maybe maybe I'm
Speaker 2: feeling sentimental.
Speaker 1: You know, twenty fourteen. That's a good run for a
Speaker 1: car ten years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred and fifty thousand miles. Not crazy, but
Speaker 2: it is a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is that one of those cars that got in
Speaker 1: before everything became computerized?
Speaker 2: Like the word Yeah, no, no, it didn't. By the end,
Speaker 2: it didn't even have bluetooth.
Speaker 3: Okay, it doesn't have a My car doesn't have a
Speaker 3: backup camera. So I'm using my note. I'm swiveling my
Speaker 3: head around like a peasant. Yeah, I'm trying to back up.
Speaker 1: No camera, no.
Speaker 2: Layness, nothing. No, it was a It was a car
Speaker 2: in the in the in the real in the real
Speaker 2: sense of the word, a car. Not a computer, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck your computer on musk.
Speaker 3: Your computer on wheels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fucker fucking drive around in my iPad out of here.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2: All right? This one also quite close to home. I
Speaker 2: think you know it's overrated getting a full set, getting
Speaker 2: your nails done, having ten beautiful, gorgeous, brand new acrylics.
Speaker 2: You know why, because it's been so long since I've
Speaker 2: gotten my nails done that I have one thumb acrylic left,
Speaker 2: and I've just been rocking that for for weeks at
Speaker 2: this point, and I am, Yeah, I'm telling myself it's
Speaker 2: because it's overrated to have a fresh, beautiful, sparkly new set.
Speaker 2: I'm doing just fine with my one thumb acrylic nail.
Speaker 1: I personally would assume that was intentional.
Speaker 3: Thank you the way that like, Okay, let me tell
Speaker 3: me how much of this I have? Correct? Is it
Speaker 3: like people who do cocaine they leave a long, pinky nail. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like that, but different, that's right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, glamorous.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So is it the only long nail on your hand?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only one I got. Oh yeah, because
Speaker 2: the other ones, the ones are sure, Yeah, they fall
Speaker 2: off or they break so you take it off or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then so here I am with just just one
Speaker 2: and nine nine short little nubbies.
Speaker 3: I agree that it's I like, I've never gotten acrylics
Speaker 3: at all. I get a manicure once every ten years, roughly,
Speaker 3: I've had like three in my life.
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, if that's what if that's what people want
Speaker 3: to do and that's how you want to spend your money,
Speaker 3: go for it. But I'm just like, what if though
Speaker 3: my shitty three dollars nail polish that I apply myself badly,
Speaker 3: what if that and then and is great at Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: For that as well, you know I generally, Yeah, what
Speaker 2: I'm u with this one nail is doing to my
Speaker 2: psyche is that you know, I'm a Texas girly. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a big hair, it's a lashes, it's a nail
Speaker 2: lifestyle and a clic set, full set lifestyle. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: these past few weeks, you know, I got arrested, I
Speaker 2: have my my my life is maybe summed up in
Speaker 2: h I just have this one acrylic nail holding on
Speaker 2: for Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: That's a beautiful metaphor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think having ten nails done. Now, now that
Speaker 1: I've seen your one nail, I think ten nails done
Speaker 1: is corny.
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Yeah hard? Why do all your nails match? What the
Speaker 1: is that? That's unnatural? Yeah, And thumb definitely preferable to
Speaker 1: pinky finger. I feel like, yeah, finger, although you could
Speaker 1: probably pull it off, I don't think I could pull
Speaker 1: off one really long pinky finger.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, thumb, it's the it's the whatever, it's
Speaker 2: the digit that sets us apart from the rest of
Speaker 2: the animal kingdom. Yeah, so I'm just like accentuating.
Speaker 1: It, Yeah, rubbing it in the animal kingdom's face.
Speaker 3: You go to your cat and you say, oh, do
Speaker 3: you have opposable thumbs? No, well look at this.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, you couldn't catch that. I first got all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break, and then we're going to
Speaker 1: come back and talk about the Supreme Court. Oh no,
Speaker 1: oh no, this is going to be so awkward. And
Speaker 1: we're back, and we're back, and we're back and Trump v.
Speaker 1: United States? Is that how we pronounce that? We pronounced
Speaker 1: the verses as V.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the realm of Supreme the supremes.
Speaker 2: You got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So a lot of people have talked about how
Speaker 1: scary the prospect of trumps next Trump presidency is in
Speaker 1: the context of Project twenty twenty five, and they are right. Yes, However,
Speaker 1: this ruling is just straight up feels like the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court intervening on behalf of Donald Trump to say he
Speaker 1: can do whatever he wants, like including I feel like
Speaker 1: everything he did in the first in his first presidency,
Speaker 1: right yeah, Like they're just like, yeah, he's the president,
Speaker 1: he can do all of that shit. Like if January
Speaker 1: sixth happened with this being the law, the only thing
Speaker 1: he did wrong really was not make it a military coup.
Speaker 1: If he had used the military, then that would have
Speaker 1: been okay, in line with this ruling, because then that's
Speaker 1: part that's him using his official capacity as president.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right. So, like the question here is like, okay,
Speaker 2: when do presidents get immunity? And like, well, you have
Speaker 2: to step back and think, like why why is there
Speaker 2: such a concept in the law of presidential immunity? And
Speaker 2: it's because you want the president, you want certain government
Speaker 2: officials to like be able to do some stuff that
Speaker 2: the normal person wouldn't be able to do. You already
Speaker 2: talked about like leading the military, the president's commander in chief, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, you order the military to do some stuff,
Speaker 2: there's going to be consequences that for me to order
Speaker 2: somebody to do that, that would be a crime, right,
Speaker 2: But we want the president to be able to do it.
Speaker 2: That's why there's presidential immunity. And so the way courts
Speaker 2: in the past have like decided, like what does where
Speaker 2: does presidential immunity lie is if basically is if the
Speaker 2: president is doing an official act, right, if it's an
Speaker 2: act that the president is doing, because the president is
Speaker 2: the president, right, so you know you could you can
Speaker 2: hold them legally accountable for doing something. Yes, they're the president,
Speaker 2: but they're not doing an official act. So you know,
Speaker 2: the president the president, and I get an offender bender,
Speaker 2: you know, six blocks from my house, Yeah, I would
Speaker 2: be able to sue the president. He's not doing his
Speaker 2: presidential duties in rear ending my car, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yes, but especially he kind of fucked up your
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen right, Yes he should be he must pay.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So in this case, the Supreme Court, this
Speaker 2: is a majority decision written by John Roberts, basically says,
Speaker 2: if you're the president, almost anything you do is gonna
Speaker 2: be an.
Speaker 3: Official acting for treason?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah. What's so so wild is what the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court says is or what the majority the majority,
Speaker 2: let's be real, the hyper conservative six maniacs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but John Roberts is the middle of the road
Speaker 1: guy who was gonna save us all I thought, let.
Speaker 2: This pass, Supreme Court term be the death of that idea.
Speaker 2: This we we've got Roberts on decisions all over the
Speaker 2: place where he is like articulating a frankly psychotic conservative
Speaker 2: vision of the law and of the constitution. This guy
Speaker 2: is not a moderate. Please stop saying that. You know, yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, this in in this case, they're saying like, yeah,
Speaker 2: basically everything is a presidential official act because you know,
Speaker 2: we can't decide whether something is official conduct or unofficial
Speaker 2: conduct by looking at by inquiring into like the president's motives. Right,
Speaker 2: So that means like it doesn't matter for what purpose
Speaker 2: the president does something. It doesn't matter how self interested,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter how violent, as long as it's like
Speaker 2: draped in the shroud of the presidential office, then the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court says, the president is insulated from prosecution. Right,
Speaker 2: So it's like kind of like I think Peter said
Speaker 2: this on the on the on the episode that we
Speaker 2: did about this case. But he's like, Okay, if if
Speaker 2: basically like if the office of the presidency is like
Speaker 2: a gun, what the court said here is that when
Speaker 2: you become the president, you gain the completely unfettered right
Speaker 2: to use that gun however you want. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: who you shoot at, it doesn't matter why, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter you know how you abuse that access to the gun,
Speaker 2: right right, the only thing that matters is it's your gun.
Speaker 2: It's an official act, and so you you are immune
Speaker 2: from prosecution for any criminal acts that you do with
Speaker 2: that gun. Right. Yes, it's it's really really really it's
Speaker 2: really wild. Yeah, and like you said at the beginning,
Speaker 2: like we have we're doing monarchy now.
Speaker 1: And if Trump gets back in the White House, it
Speaker 1: feels like he's going, I mean, he's going to really
Speaker 1: explore the studio space with this Like this is like
Speaker 1: it feels like it's like a like a request, like
Speaker 1: a band that's doing a request for somebody, Like he's like,
Speaker 1: could you play this one?
Speaker 3: Like it's really a dare, Like I dare you just
Speaker 3: to test the limits of this limitless power.
Speaker 1: Question mark. Yeah, there are limitations, Like I think you
Speaker 1: guys brought up like the president doesn't have the right
Speaker 1: to regulate emissions or force federal employees to be vaccinated.
Speaker 1: Those are executive powers like a Democrat might use, but
Speaker 1: he has the green light to orchestrate a coup and
Speaker 1: subvert an election.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a it's a little bit different,
Speaker 2: but it is related. Like it's a good point, but
Speaker 2: like it's a little bit different because this is about
Speaker 2: criminal prosecution, right, so right, but yeah, it's like saying like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there are other areas of the law that are going
Speaker 2: to like rein in executive power, rein in the administrative state.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you can't do that. No you can't, you can't.
Speaker 2: You know, the EPA can't say as part of a
Speaker 2: presidential administration that EPA can't you know, regulate waterways in
Speaker 2: this way because all of our waterways are polluted and
Speaker 2: water is poisoned in the US. No no, no, no no,
Speaker 2: that's like a that's too much power, right, but all
Speaker 2: these crimes, you can definitely do that. And what's crazy,
Speaker 2: you know you brought up like okay, like the next
Speaker 2: a next Trump term he's gonna really be trying this
Speaker 2: stuff out and really empowered by this crazy decision. And
Speaker 2: that's true. I mean, like the decision itself is not
Speaker 2: just saying like, oh, yeah, in general, you're getting carte blanche,
Speaker 2: although it does say that, but it is about specific
Speaker 2: acts that Trump took leading up to and on January sixth, Right,
Speaker 2: and so you know that, you know, the accusation that
Speaker 2: Trump like leveraged the Department of Justice right to like
Speaker 2: open sham investigations or to threaten sham investigations into voter
Speaker 2: fraud so that states would be like coerced into changing
Speaker 2: their electors. He also threatened to fire the acting Attorney
Speaker 2: General for not cooperating with that. Like that's those are
Speaker 2: the specific accusations that Trump or anybody else could be
Speaker 2: criminally prosecuted for. And you know, the Supreme Court John
Speaker 2: robertson this decision says, well't no, that's like part of
Speaker 2: being that's just part of the office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the president. Yeah, of course he's going to fire.
Speaker 1: Like remember how big a deal it was when he
Speaker 1: fired Komy. We were like, holy shit, we have entered
Speaker 1: and then he like went on that lesser Holt interview,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I didn't really like that
Speaker 1: he was looking into me, so I you know, it
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, we've like entered a new
Speaker 1: world where he's just going to try and get away
Speaker 1: with it. And now the Supreme Court's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's like totally fine. What yeah, like shut the fuck up,
Speaker 1: stop complaining.
Speaker 2: Everything, right, right, And so if you can like misuse
Speaker 2: abuse your power with like ordering the DOJ to do
Speaker 2: illegal sham shit, right, then yeah, in the second term,
Speaker 2: like that you there's really no telling And and the
Speaker 2: Court said, yeah, it's not just this stuff for which
Speaker 2: he's immune, it's also like, here's how you think about
Speaker 2: these cases in the future. And again that's just like
Speaker 2: if it's connected to the office of the presidency, if
Speaker 2: it's you know, just kind of draped in this, if
Speaker 2: if he can say I did this in my capacity
Speaker 2: as the president, then yeah, he's immune from criminal prosecution
Speaker 2: for anything that comes out of that.
Speaker 1: And it really felt like a broad and unapologetic collusion
Speaker 1: between like the Supreme Court and Trump, like they delayed
Speaker 1: the ruling for him and then found even more strongly
Speaker 1: for him than what he was seeking. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: like now, in retrospect, I think we're having a hard
Speaker 1: time getting our mind around just like how off the
Speaker 1: rails this has gone. Like no, yeah, yeah, just listening
Speaker 1: back to like earlier episodes of your show, of like
Speaker 1: any show like from before this, you know, like when
Speaker 1: I remember being like, oh, I'm coming back from a
Speaker 1: trip with my family on July eleventh, so that'll be
Speaker 1: like when Trump is sentenced, so we'll find that out
Speaker 1: then like that's just gone. It's like the worst case
Speaker 1: scenario was like him not seeing jail time, and now
Speaker 1: we're just like, oh no, actually, maybe what he did
Speaker 1: is legal. Maybe like he's not a felon because because
Speaker 1: the supremeor Court is like he can do whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck he wants.
Speaker 2: Everybody absolutely, yeah, no, it's super crazy, like the yeah,
Speaker 2: like the discourse was about like you know, I never
Speaker 2: thought Trump was going to see prison time, right, but
Speaker 2: it was like okay, like maybe he would be like
Speaker 2: on house arrest for like a couple of weeks or something,
Speaker 2: and then he's just like on probation and like that
Speaker 2: would be crazy and ha ha ha highway, like the
Speaker 2: Secret Service has to go with him on community service day,
Speaker 2: you know, right, you.
Speaker 3: Know erased all that, and he is king, yeah.
Speaker 5: He's going to be ca yeah yeah, Well, and he's
Speaker 5: like he's like explicitly saying this.
Speaker 2: He's saying, like, if you vote for me, you're never
Speaker 2: gonna have to vote. Yeah, Like he's ready to just
Speaker 2: post up and be like I can't commit a crime.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, we're good here, he's done donezo Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really feels like we'll never get him out of office
Speaker 1: the if he wins this time and yeah, in the
Speaker 1: next act, I want to talk about how I like
Speaker 1: it feels like he's specifically signaling that this is his plan.
Speaker 1: Is like his ace in the hole is that he
Speaker 1: has like the Supreme Court on his side, or at
Speaker 1: least a lot of judges and election officials. But the
Speaker 1: day that this came down, he was like, we should
Speaker 1: be thinking about prosecuting Liz Cheney for treason, like he knows, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's ready to use this power. Yeah, Like the the
Speaker 1: DJ is like is his gun now he is going
Speaker 1: to be able to do the thing that he was
Speaker 1: joking about joking in quotes, but like clearly you know
Speaker 1: has always wanted to do, which is like shoot someone
Speaker 1: in the middle of fifth Avenue and like get away
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. He's like, it's like not that far off
Speaker 2: from what he's been talking about right for for years now,
Speaker 2: and it's just about like him. That's that's what's so
Speaker 2: dangerous about a Trump administration in terms of things like
Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five, all all of that that comes
Speaker 2: with it, is we've already seen it in a first
Speaker 2: Trump term, that he installs the people who allow him
Speaker 2: to do this, right, who build up, who changed laws,
Speaker 2: who interpret laws, so that when he has power, he
Speaker 2: can do exactly what he's saying he wants to do
Speaker 2: with it, you know. And so like you know, from
Speaker 2: our from from my perspective, like watching the Supreme Court,
Speaker 2: you know, you always have to go back to Trump
Speaker 2: had three nominations to the Supreme Court. Yeah, got them,
Speaker 2: you know, got all three confirmed. And you know, you
Speaker 2: just have to be real, I think, you know, like
Speaker 2: legal analysts, political analysts, all of that kind of thing,
Speaker 2: you have to be real that Trump installed those three
Speaker 2: people for very specific reasons, right, One which they've been
Speaker 2: super upfront about and which they already achieved, was overturning
Speaker 2: Roe v.
Speaker 1: Wade.
Speaker 2: He put those three conservatives because he knew those three
Speaker 2: conservatives would vote that way, right, and now with that
Speaker 2: like kind of it's very direct, like a quid pro quo,
Speaker 2: like I put you on the court to do X,
Speaker 2: Y Z, and here we go this like crazy conservative
Speaker 2: super majority. They're ready to do it. They're they're yeah.
Speaker 1: They're doing it more than really Yeah, they're X Y
Speaker 1: and Z ing it exactly do we it does? You're right,
Speaker 1: it does feel like this has been a plan all along.
Speaker 1: I was wondering, like because John Roberts had been more
Speaker 1: like he hadn't been this out and out like right
Speaker 1: wing crazy, had he? Or am I was I just
Speaker 1: like not paying attention. It's entirely possible. I wasn't paying attention.
Speaker 1: But like it feels like I don't know that like
Speaker 1: Brett Cavanaugh got in there and he's just like a
Speaker 1: bad influence on everyone or something like it just feels
Speaker 1: like it's like a total it's taken a real turn.
Speaker 2: I think that's right. Like John Roberts has always been
Speaker 2: a conservative, Like he's always hated things like voting rights,
Speaker 2: you know, like there his legal career before he was
Speaker 2: ever a judge, like shows a lot of his a
Speaker 2: lot of super conservative positions on a lot of things.
Speaker 2: I think this past term might show us, the past
Speaker 2: couple of terms at the Supreme Court might show us
Speaker 2: maybe maybe two things. One is that John Roberts now
Speaker 2: is the Chief Justice presiding over cases at the Supreme
Speaker 2: Court where the Overton window has shifted dramatically. Like the
Speaker 2: cases now being decided are not like, Okay, what's this
Speaker 2: little tiny what's this little tiny tweak that we could
Speaker 2: make in the conservative direction on Roe v.
Speaker 1: Wade?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but it's like literally like is the president
Speaker 2: immune from criminal prosecution when the president does crimes?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And so it's like the conservative, the hyper conservative inside
Speaker 2: of John Roberts can totally jump out because because the
Speaker 2: cases in front of the Supreme Court right now are
Speaker 2: on issues that are just wildly, wildly conservative, right, So
Speaker 2: there doesn't have to be the appearance of like the
Speaker 2: questions they're answering within those questions, there doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be this kind of like sham appearance of like moderation, right,
Speaker 2: or sort of institutional legitimacy from the Court that John
Speaker 2: Roberts was like kind of using as a tactic in
Speaker 2: in years prior. Right, Yeah, And I think another thing too,
Speaker 2: is that John Roberts and the rest of the Conservatives
Speaker 2: on the Supreme Court, and everybody on the Supreme Court
Speaker 2: is a human being who is influenced by the political
Speaker 2: moment and media and you know, shifts in popular opinion
Speaker 2: and shifts and development in conservative thought just like everybody else's.
Speaker 2: And so you know Fox News is writing is rotting
Speaker 2: their brains too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there, you can absolutely tell that they're just mainlining
Speaker 1: fucking Jesse Waters and yeah, oh yeah, I mean in
Speaker 1: the case of Alito As we'll get to fucking like
Speaker 1: Q conspiracies. But yeah, it's it's so wild. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is how fascism happens, right, Like the rule of
Speaker 1: law is not like it's not like fascists come in
Speaker 1: and just like say no more Supreme Court. It's exactly
Speaker 1: the rule of law. I think it was said on
Speaker 1: five to four by Peter Like, the rule of law
Speaker 1: is whatever fascists need it to be in a given moment.
Speaker 1: Yea's inconsistent, but it is. You know, they will use
Speaker 1: it like a cudgel, you.
Speaker 2: Know, exactly, yeah, exactly, we're talking. I mean, and there's
Speaker 2: so many cases from this past term that show that
Speaker 2: you know, I think when we were talking about like
Speaker 2: fascism and the rule of law and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: That was probably on our episode about Snyder, which is
Speaker 2: the case about like bribery, like bribing elected officials, where
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court said, like, hmm, well, actually you know this,
Speaker 2: this check that a trucking company gave to the mayor
Speaker 2: of this Oregon city for thirteen thousand dollars for awarding
Speaker 2: that trucking company trucking contracts. That's not bribery, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's exactly like you know, all of these cases
Speaker 2: like on their own, you're like, oh, that's fucked up.
Speaker 2: Oh that's another fucked up decision, But when you see
Speaker 2: them all together and you really like what the Supreme
Speaker 2: Court is doing, like that is the overarching goal is
Speaker 2: about ushering in right a legal order where these conservatives
Speaker 2: are in charge. These conservatives are the ones saying what
Speaker 2: the law is, and they will always use that to
Speaker 2: they will always use that to like reach the results
Speaker 2: that they want for their policy preferences, for that vision
Speaker 2: they have for the world.
Speaker 1: And whoever has the most money becomes the most powerful exactly.
Speaker 3: Totally, because you know, if Trump becomes president again. Uh,
Speaker 3: and he exercises this ability to commit crimes with is
Speaker 3: God given king, right, Yeah, the Supreme Court will just
Speaker 3: be like, Yep, we ruled that that was the choice,
Speaker 3: and that's great and good, do whatever you need to do, buddy.
Speaker 3: Versus if not Trump is elected and then that person
Speaker 3: tries to commit crimes, I feel like the Supreme Court
Speaker 3: would be like, well, in this case, actually no own blah,
Speaker 3: like there's no objectivity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no. And you see the tools that they use, right, So,
Speaker 2: like they put like the appearance of legal analysis and
Speaker 2: they say, well, like, well, you got to decide first
Speaker 2: if something is an official act or an unofficial act, right,
Speaker 2: And so you see that they're like building in the
Speaker 2: tools that they're going to use to reach the completely
Speaker 2: opposite result when they don't like the president who's doing
Speaker 2: the acts.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So in the future, what they can say as well, no,
Speaker 2: that wasn't you know, if let's say Kamala wins, right, Well, no,
Speaker 2: Kamala wasn't doing an official act as part of the
Speaker 2: office of the presidency. That was an unofficial act, and
Speaker 2: you don't get presidential immunity for unofficial acts, right, So
Speaker 2: it's all about just like recognizing like the law isn't
Speaker 2: like a mathematical equation where you go two plus two
Speaker 2: and you know what the result is going to be. Like,
Speaker 2: the law is a tool. It's a political tool, and
Speaker 2: that's what these conservatives on the Supreme Court are using
Speaker 2: it as.
Speaker 3: Right, They're like deliberately building in loopholes that they can
Speaker 3: exploit for whatever agenda they want carry out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Biden can't actually do Supreme Court reform right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Is how do you think about the Supreme Court reform
Speaker 1: that Biden has very just very cautiously hinted at wanting
Speaker 1: to explore like it is obviously he probably doesn't have
Speaker 1: the time to do it. Left, But is he at
Speaker 1: least like looking in the right direction? Is he at
Speaker 1: least starting the right conversations.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely in it's absolutely looking in the right direction
Speaker 2: and starting the right conversations. You know, it was looking
Speaker 2: in the right direction and starting the right conversations, you
Speaker 2: know four years ago when he ran on a platform
Speaker 2: of court reform, and when he took the presidency and
Speaker 2: struck the Biden Commission on Supreme Court Reform had people lawyers, judges,
Speaker 2: law professors from quote unquote both sides of the Aisle
Speaker 2: come together and talk about where necessary court reform could
Speaker 2: take place, how it could take place, what it would entail.
Speaker 2: Biden and the Democrats I think are speaking to that
Speaker 2: at least, at the very least giving lip service if
Speaker 2: you're kind of cynical like I am, because they know
Speaker 2: that actually it's publicly quite popular, like people know right
Speaker 2: now that the Supreme Court is super fucked up and
Speaker 2: that there needs to be court reform, and so yeah,
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party will kind of throw that out that
Speaker 2: they're willing and able to look at it, and and
Speaker 2: you know, want to get the conversation started and that
Speaker 2: kind of thing. So yeah, the conversation, Yeah, it needs
Speaker 2: to be started and should have been started. And I
Speaker 2: think it's about like demanding that like the reforms actually happen.
Speaker 3: There was just a really intense earthquake in California.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we are okay, yeah, yeah, justin Victor,
Speaker 1: everybody okay, Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Shook my house still pretty hard?
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Oh it's still going. Still feeling like.
Speaker 1: Victor died, reported that he died. I'm sorry, Victor, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Well hope everybody listening also, okay, listening a
Speaker 1: day in the future. All right, let's uh take a
Speaker 1: quick break to gather ourselves to just steady, steady our
Speaker 1: our quakings and quaking hearts, and we'll come back to
Speaker 1: talk about how the Supreme Court might We've already talked
Speaker 1: about how if Trump gets elected, we're fucked. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about how the Supreme Court can help get him elected.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. And Donald Trump, yes,
Speaker 1: have you heard about this? He has been talking a
Speaker 1: lot about the Georgia Election Board and how much they're
Speaker 1: fighting the good fight. Basically, they got like three mega
Speaker 1: people on a board of five and they're they just
Speaker 1: want to do everything they can to fuck with the
Speaker 1: process and get in the way of certification if Donald
Speaker 1: Trump doesn't win. This past weekend, they ordered an investigation
Speaker 1: into the twenty twenty results. They're going back to that one. Also,
Speaker 1: there was that great New York Times article about like
Speaker 1: Trump's challenging three months by Haberman and co. Where they
Speaker 1: were like all his big mega donors like had a
Speaker 1: meeting with him where they're like, okay, like how are
Speaker 1: we going to change the messaging on this? And he
Speaker 1: was like Okay, First of all, we need to stop
Speaker 1: the steal. Still talking about the twenty twenty election, the
Speaker 1: fuck but anyways, he's still stuck on that. But given
Speaker 1: what we know about the state of the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: following Trump the United States, I feel like there's no
Speaker 1: doubt that they would cooperate in an attempt to fuck
Speaker 1: with the certification the counting of votes if there's any
Speaker 1: chance that they can do it. And this has made
Speaker 1: me think a lot about like one of the first
Speaker 1: political moments that I remember, which is the election between
Speaker 1: Al Gore and George W. Bush, which is what the
Speaker 1: first episode of five to four is about. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it is straight up the Supreme Court being a five
Speaker 1: to four conservative majority determining the two thousand election. Yeah,
Speaker 1: along partisan lines, based on nothing so much as like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's who we want to win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Do people need a refresher?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 2: I think people like really forget. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: we're we're all pretty young. I was in eighth grade
Speaker 2: during the two thousand elections, so like I didn't.
Speaker 3: Even know what I think really, yeah, thirty eighty year
Speaker 3: I was born in nineteen nineteen. I just forgot how
Speaker 3: numbers worked.
Speaker 1: For a second.
Speaker 3: I was born in eighty six, Yes, okay, I was.
Speaker 3: I was maybe I was a freshman or oh, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I was some age around.
Speaker 1: I was in my mid fifties, but I just hadn't
Speaker 1: paid attention to politics before then. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I learned more about this case in law school,
Speaker 2: and it is it's so wild, and it's so wild
Speaker 2: to harken back and be like, oh, okay, so the
Speaker 2: exact same thing could happen.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So George W. Bush al Gore running for president,
Speaker 2: it came down to Florida. Whoever won Florida was going
Speaker 2: to win the presidency, right, Like, literally neither one of
Speaker 2: them had enough electoral votes. You had to get Florida,
Speaker 2: and Florida was contested.
Speaker 3: So because of the chads, the hanging chads.
Speaker 2: There, Yes, it was hanging chads. It was all kinds
Speaker 2: of issues with counting the votes in Florida.
Speaker 1: So Jalo's jokes about hanging chads is what got me
Speaker 1: interested in comedy in the first place. That's there's so
Speaker 1: many good ones. You heard about this.
Speaker 2: So what happened was now Florida did get called for Bush. Right,
Speaker 2: the Florida division of elections, like called Florida for Bush.
Speaker 2: But the thing was is that the margin of victory
Speaker 2: was so low, it was less than two thousand votes,
Speaker 2: which put that in according to Florida state law said
Speaker 2: that there needed to be a mandatory recount. Right, So
Speaker 2: there was this machine recount and that came back again
Speaker 2: with Bush winning, but it was by even fewer votes, right,
Speaker 2: it was like three hundred votes. Right.
Speaker 3: Then the counting system is not accurate, right.
Speaker 2: Right, like, and that sometimes at the margins, right, Like
Speaker 2: a recount does need to happen.
Speaker 1: So you're like, so Bush won, and they were like, right, well, yeah.
Speaker 2: So what happened? You know, when the machine recount showed
Speaker 2: that like Bush had won maybe by something like three
Speaker 2: hundred votes total in the entire state, the Gore campaign
Speaker 2: requested a manual recount in some of these counties, right,
Speaker 2: and then the litigation was off to the races. Right,
Speaker 2: That's where the court cases went cuckoo. It was in
Speaker 2: Florida State court. It went up to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: The Florida Supreme Court ordered a state wide manual recount. Okay,
Speaker 2: no more machines across the state. Every county recount your
Speaker 2: votes by hand, we need to figure out how many
Speaker 2: votes each candidate got. Okay, seems reasonable, right, Florida Supreme
Speaker 2: Court like, let's just do a recount, you guys.
Speaker 5: Everybody's vote gets count right, exactly, Let's actually count the votes. Maybe,
Speaker 5: like that's that was the that was the right, right,
Speaker 5: And so what did the Bush campaign do?
Speaker 2: The Bush campaign challenged that order for a recount. They
Speaker 2: challenged it at the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court
Speaker 2: took the case and they granted a stay, meaning they
Speaker 2: were saying, stop the recount until we fully decide. And
Speaker 2: Justice antonin Scalia ultra conservative. Yeah, psycho, one of the worst. Yeah,
Speaker 2: one of the absolute worst. At the time he wrote
Speaker 2: that they were granting the Supreme Court of the United
Speaker 2: States was granting the stay like saying, no, no, we
Speaker 2: really need to pause the recount and take this seriously
Speaker 2: because there's a threat of irreparable harm on the Bush campaign.
Speaker 2: If there is always like this shroud of like like
Speaker 2: a question that maybe Bush's win isn't legitimate if they
Speaker 2: do the recount like that, that would be irreparable harm. And
Speaker 2: the other justices there were liberal justices who were like,
Speaker 2: how would it be irreparable harm if we count all
Speaker 2: the votes.
Speaker 3: And determine the actual legitimate outcome of the election.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. It starts from the premise that we want
Speaker 1: Bush to win already, and so that would because but
Speaker 1: it's going to be so harmful to his legitimacy if
Speaker 1: he doesn't win the election, Yes, then people won't even
Speaker 1: let him be president.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: That crazy. So then the Supreme Court considered the whole
Speaker 2: case and they decided that the Florida Supreme Court was
Speaker 2: wrong when they ordered this statewide recount because it would
Speaker 2: be impossible for Florida to do it fairly because each
Speaker 2: county in Florida. Here's the hanging Chad's issue. Each county
Speaker 2: in Florida had different men thids of counting, right like,
Speaker 2: each county election board had a different system for counting.
Speaker 2: The Supreme Court said that would be unfair, So we're
Speaker 2: not going to do a recount. No recount. Now forget that.
Speaker 2: They could have ordered the same recount method across the
Speaker 2: counties to fix that problem. They could, Yes, exactly, they
Speaker 2: could have said that. They're like, nope, no, we can't. Actually,
Speaker 2: this would be super super unfair. It would It would
Speaker 2: violate equal protection of the laws.
Speaker 3: So and it would hurt recount George W. Bush's feelings.
Speaker 1: Can we not take that into account? It will hurt right.
Speaker 2: So that's the story of bushby gored Like it really
Speaker 2: is that kind of like boldly political, boldly partisan. It is.
Speaker 2: It was at the time the five Conservatives on the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court being like, m we want Bush to win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I took the l SAT at one point,
Speaker 1: very whoa dag, Yeah, that's right, I did.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, here I am over here with the amasly
Speaker 3: master's degree in screenwriting from Elliston University. You know what
Speaker 3: never mentioned I've never taken the l SAT.
Speaker 2: No, you know what the real brag is is that
Speaker 2: Jack took the l SAT but then didn't go to
Speaker 2: law school. That's actually the flex.
Speaker 1: Right walked my way out of it by that time, fortunately,
Speaker 1: But like there's a whole logic section on that test
Speaker 1: where you're supposed to be able to like suss out
Speaker 1: the arguments, and the idea is that the legal system
Speaker 1: is based on logical arguments, and their logical argument for
Speaker 1: this finding that determined the presidency of the United States,
Speaker 1: like didn't it doesn't make any sense, like on a
Speaker 1: surface level, like in a you can't explain it in
Speaker 1: one sentence, you can't explain it in a thousand sentences.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so this is what the Supreme Court is.
Speaker 1: Like the Supreme Court, yes, is it claims to be
Speaker 1: like these balls and strikes, impartial philosopher kings and queens
Speaker 1: who will you know, just that they're just there to
Speaker 1: like call it like it has no political influence and
Speaker 1: they are just increasingly an apparatus of the Republican Party
Speaker 1: in a way that is really fucking scary, scary, And
Speaker 1: so that's right, Jason Vorhees is back. So like you
Speaker 1: could say, like, yeah, but that was a unique situation
Speaker 1: where like there was this recount and everything was very strange.
Speaker 1: But we have like one of the Supreme Court justices
Speaker 1: seems to be on the like Q, Like Samuel Alito
Speaker 1: was flying a upside down American flag in the immediate
Speaker 1: like on January sixth, or like right after.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, on inauguration day, right, yeah, Biden's inauguration day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for their life bought in on the like the
Speaker 1: big lie, He's fully bought in on, Like I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure he has to be like reading Q, shit like,
Speaker 1: and so I I don't think they're going to necessarily
Speaker 1: need things to be as fucked up as they got
Speaker 1: in Florida to intervene this time around, because Trump already
Speaker 1: seems to be like openly working with election officials to
Speaker 1: like throw things into chaos like the way he was
Speaker 1: trying to do the last time around. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like what are your thoughts on that, Like,
Speaker 1: do you think there's a way for them to without
Speaker 1: the initial controversy of like, man, this was so close
Speaker 1: in Florida and they designed the ballots like at random,
Speaker 1: just randomly designed them, So like, do you think there's
Speaker 1: a way for them to get involved and give it
Speaker 1: turn the election towards Trump without something like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? There are there are plenty of ways, And it's
Speaker 2: like I don't think it's the.
Speaker 1: Most legitimately hoping you were like, well not really.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, there are shaloada ways. No, there are
Speaker 2: shaload a ways. And I don't even think it's about
Speaker 2: like necessarily predicting the specific way that it'll happen in
Speaker 2: this election. You know, from the vantage point of August twelfth,
Speaker 2: August thirteenth, twenty twenty four. But the point is, and
Speaker 2: I think Bush by Gore is the really good example
Speaker 2: because it's like that was also unforeseen. Right. You couldn't
Speaker 2: you couldn't have seen you couldn't have foreseen that, like
Speaker 2: hanging chads in two counties in Florida were going to
Speaker 2: you know, put into question, you know, a few thousand votes, right.
Speaker 2: But it was about installing a system and apparatus, in
Speaker 2: this case, a legal one, right, that would be ready primed, right,
Speaker 2: political and biased in a specific way, so that when
Speaker 2: that issue came before them, right, the decision making power
Speaker 2: was with people who you know, were primed to come
Speaker 2: out a certain way. And that's the same thing with Trump. Right,
Speaker 2: This Supreme Court has six maniacs on it. This is
Speaker 2: not six, right, Like we think about the Supreme Court
Speaker 2: as like we say this all the time. It's got
Speaker 2: to be you know, these are the smartest best lawyers
Speaker 2: judges in the country. Right, it is not true, sam Alito,
Speaker 2: I would guess, Sam al you know it's not even
Speaker 2: it's not just Fox News. He's watching o An, he's
Speaker 2: watching the crazy shit on YouTube. Right, yeah, and uh
Speaker 2: exactly and elsewhere, right, I mean four years ago Clarence Thomas,
Speaker 2: another one, another absolutely cuckoo psycho. Right, his wife Jenny
Speaker 2: Thomas putting out that, like, you know, the bidens were
Speaker 2: gonna be like imprisoned on a barge at Guantanamo, right,
Speaker 2: like this is not this is this? These are these
Speaker 2: are yeah, conspiracy theory, rabidly conservative, quite violent in their
Speaker 2: world vision. Right, these are the types of conservatives who
Speaker 2: are on the Supreme Court, you know, just like the
Speaker 2: crazy just like your local crazy Republican politician from whatever
Speaker 2: county who you know runs on a platform of uh,
Speaker 2: disgustingly like anti trus anti immigrant, right like that. You
Speaker 2: have to have to we have to understand conceive of
Speaker 2: Supreme Court justices also as a kind of politician, and
Speaker 2: they have those same biases, They have those same foundations
Speaker 2: from which their politics are born out of. They just
Speaker 2: also know how to speak in legalise. Right. So for Trump,
Speaker 2: it'll be whatever situation comes up, Trump is saying, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna ensure chaos in this situation, I'm going to ensure
Speaker 2: chaos in these in this election and in whatever procedures
Speaker 2: there are, so that whatever issue it might be that
Speaker 2: gets teed up for the Supreme Court. Yeah, John Roberts
Speaker 2: and the rest of those nasty losers. They're they're ready
Speaker 2: for it. They're gonna do yeah whatever he wants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll all be out in the streets protesting
Speaker 1: after that. And if you want to see how will
Speaker 1: all be treated, just look at the protests in favor
Speaker 1: of Palestine.
Speaker 2: Yay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And maybe uh that's why I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: people really are not giving a fuck about these students
Speaker 1: and willing to just let this, let the mainstream media
Speaker 1: just discount them and be like, well we heard one
Speaker 1: person who wasn't a student say something anti semitic, So.
Speaker 2: Right, right, that's the thing. That's the thing that every
Speaker 2: you know, you have to that's the thing that everybody
Speaker 2: has to realize. Like when you you know, when you
Speaker 2: accept it for somebody else, yeah, you are accepting it
Speaker 2: to happen to you too, you know.
Speaker 1: It's uh yeah, So I don't know. The one thing
Speaker 1: I've heard people throw out is like, well, Biden now
Speaker 1: has these powers of monarch, supreme monarch, can't he do
Speaker 1: something like present Supreme Court please something?
Speaker 2: I mean, what's so crazy is like the solutions, Caitlin,
Speaker 2: Like you're talking about like court reform, like it's actually
Speaker 2: not even illegal. You know, gonna have to have presidential
Speaker 2: immunity to do it, Like we just have to have
Speaker 2: like political will, like just fucking.
Speaker 1: Just do something, yea, do something.
Speaker 3: Here's some brilliant joke. I've been trying to legend this
Speaker 3: whole conversation the Supreme Court more like the Suckpreme Court.
Speaker 1: There it is, and it is, this whole conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, summed up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to change the name of our podcast
Speaker 2: to Suckpreme Court.
Speaker 1: Yeah, more Likepreme Court. And you're all welcome. Well Rihann
Speaker 1: and what a pleasure having you on the show.
Speaker 2: Hey, it's always a blast. Thanks.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 2: Well you can follow at five to four pod all
Speaker 2: spelled out for following the podcast. Also at Popular Cradle
Speaker 2: for my new podcast that's about Palestine, Palestinian resistance and history,
Speaker 2: all that kind of good stuff. I am on Twitter
Speaker 2: not so much, but I'm there at a wa rhiannon
Speaker 2: aa is a y w A. So yeah, we're we're
Speaker 2: out here, all right.
Speaker 1: And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2: Australian break dancing at the line.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's right, and I've been a fan since
Speaker 1: way back. I knew of ray Gun's work coming in
Speaker 1: and Ygun is excited for the world.
Speaker 2: To Raygun and I came up at about the same
Speaker 2: time Raygun, I'm regun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we go way back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Beautiful, Oh my god, what a well
Speaker 1: that was. That was a lot of fun, like also bad,
Speaker 1: like for any breakdancers who didn't get to go to
Speaker 1: the Olympics, and I feel that for break dancing on
Speaker 1: the other hand, holy ship to.
Speaker 3: See a woman fail upwards from you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Caitlin, Where can people find you? Is there a
Speaker 1: work of media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3: I'm mostly on Instagram these days at Kaitlyn Durrante. You
Speaker 3: can sign up for screenwriting classes that I'm teaching using
Speaker 3: that aforementioned but never mentioned screenwriting Master's degree that I have.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm teaching online screenwriting classes. You can find
Speaker 3: information about those on my website kaitlindurante dot com slash classes.
Speaker 3: I have a couple starting in mid September, so check
Speaker 3: those out. You can listen to my podcast, The Bechdel Cast,
Speaker 3: that I co host with Jamie loftis where we examine
Speaker 3: movies through and through an intersectional feminist lens, and a
Speaker 3: piece of media that I've been enjoying because I know
Speaker 3: you're gonna ask, oh my god, wait, that's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: I know you figure out that is.
Speaker 3: There's something spooky foot the piece of me. I just
Speaker 3: saw Kneecap yesterday. It's the movie kind of biopic, but
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is fictionalized about the
Speaker 3: Irish rap group also called Kneecap, that is, through their music,
Speaker 3: trying to preserve the Irish language. And it's a really
Speaker 3: fun movie and it's very funny and I liked it
Speaker 3: a lot. So everyone check out Kneecap in a theater
Speaker 3: near you.
Speaker 1: That's fun like like Gaelic, yeah, like oh yeah.
Speaker 3: People still don't speak it. It turns out I.
Speaker 1: Don't believe you.
Speaker 2: They're lying.
Speaker 1: They're just making vaguely Irish sounds. You can find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. Tweet I've been enjoying
Speaker 1: was from John Levenstein, who, upon watching Olympic volleyball, tweeted,
Speaker 1: if I were on a volleyball team that huddled after
Speaker 1: every point, I would start to get irritated and say
Speaker 1: I've got nothing new for you. You guys, It's like
Speaker 1: I always wonder, like, what the fuck are they saying
Speaker 1: in there after every single Yeah, it's just like I
Speaker 1: don't know, guys the same ship every time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1: We do need the touch. Everybody needs to, like athletes
Speaker 1: need to touch each other. Apparently they perform better. Anyways,
Speaker 1: you can find me. It's a contact sport in more
Speaker 1: ways than one. The contact, heart on heart contact is
Speaker 1: really what it's about. You can find me on Twitter
Speaker 1: at Jack Underscore O Brian. You can find us on
Speaker 1: Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist where at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram,
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Speaker 1: zei gast dot com where we post our episodes and
Speaker 1: our footnotes where we like to the information that we
Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode as well as that really
Speaker 1: threw me for some reason. It's good. It's very well done.
Speaker 1: It's never been done.
Speaker 3: Before, so I didn't innovate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really well done. I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: tell Miles about that. Yeah, you do it. We also
Speaker 1: like to lack off to a song that we think
Speaker 1: you might enjoy. With Miles being out, we always like
Speaker 1: to ask super producer Justin Connor if there is a
Speaker 1: song that he's been enjoying that he would like to recommend.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you love two thousands and nineties R and B,
Speaker 6: this will really make you smile, the kind of warm nostalgia.
Speaker 6: This is a track called Strange Things by Double. It's
Speaker 6: a simple love song from two thousand and two, but
Speaker 6: it switches between Japanese and English language singing and it
Speaker 6: sounds like if SWV or three LW spent some time
Speaker 6: in Japan, became fluent in the language and just sang
Speaker 6: their hearts out. So this is Strange Things by Double
Speaker 6: and you can find that song in the footnotes footnotes.
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