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Speaker 1: What's up, Rannon?

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Speaker 2: How's they going?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? I'm down the Jersey Shore, so it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of.

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Speaker 2: That every.

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Speaker 3: Coming to laundry GTL down the Shore.

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Speaker 1: YO, Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three point

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Speaker 1: fifty one, Episode two of Dardilly's gust a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. And it is Tuesday, August thirteenth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, Tuesday the thirteenth, famously Spooky. My name is,

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Speaker 1: of course the Spooky Friday, the thirteenth ghost who coprom

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Speaker 1: surrounding goes woo Jason Board He's famous line, Yes, my name's.

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Speaker 4: Jack O'Brien aka JJ Redrick tracking down the tweet JJ

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Speaker 4: Redrick is water ice, not pee, JJ Redrick.

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Speaker 1: You don't believe me, but it's the truth. It could

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Speaker 1: have happened, no to you, not pee. That is courtesy

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Speaker 1: of halcyon Salad on the Discord, kind of a mashup

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Speaker 1: reference to a run of rhetoric nicknames that Miles and

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Speaker 1: I got on last week. For reasons I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: We hit rhetoric Taylor Drederick Taylor Simpson's reference and of

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Speaker 1: course JJ Rederick and then also referring to the time

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Speaker 1: I went on a scary ride at Ocean City's Wonderland

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Speaker 1: Pier and might have peed my pants. As a full adult,

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Speaker 1: I might have. I don't. Don't this calls for another

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Speaker 1: OOO scary That is what I did after I said

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Speaker 1: oOoOO to try and distract people. I don't know. My

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Speaker 1: pants were just wet. I don't think I peed my pants,

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Speaker 1: but everybody else thinks I did. Also update on that

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Speaker 1: theme park I am down the shore and that dilapidated

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Speaker 1: amusement park I grew up going to. It's just this

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Speaker 1: like massive dirty smells, like roller coaster grease. Even though

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Speaker 1: they shut the Big roller coaster down in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: nine when it killed two people. A few days ago

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Speaker 1: they announced it has been sold and is shutting down

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Speaker 1: after like ninety four years in operation. It's what a

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Speaker 1: shame like. And it's like a I think the owner

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Speaker 1: of the person who like the landlord, is like a

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Speaker 1: hotel developer, like a full eighties movie back, trying to

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Speaker 1: shut down the like the children's dancing the Comunity Center.

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Speaker 1: Yeah the fuck anyways, rip to Wonderland peer. I will

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Speaker 1: be taking my kids there tonight and I will not

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Speaker 1: be pissing my pants. That is the Jack O'Brian guarantee.

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Speaker 1: I am thrilled to be joined in our second seat

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Speaker 1: today by very special co host, talented writer, stand up comedian,

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Speaker 1: co host of The Bechdel Cast, one of the great

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Speaker 1: film podcasts. They also happen to have a master's degree

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Speaker 1: in film. The most anagrammable name in the English language,

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Speaker 1: so if you've been given their name in a jumble

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Speaker 1: of out of order scrabble tiles, you may know them

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Speaker 1: as Lauren d Titanic Latin dancer, Uti nine tit Dracula.

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Speaker 1: But to us they will always be Caitlin Doronte.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I have a new one AKA,

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Speaker 3: And do I feel silly saying this in front of

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Speaker 3: such an.

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Speaker 1: Esteemed guest world. We've already just jumped off the cliff

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Speaker 1: of good taste, so don't worry about it.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about pissing your pants, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: I thought that would maybe take the pressure of.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Okay, Caitlin Dronte aka A rancid

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Speaker 3: lun tit, A rancid lun tit. Yeah, this is a

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Speaker 3: new one. I haven't I haven't discovered this one until today.

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Speaker 3: L u n e l u n e. Which if

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Speaker 3: you're like, what's that? What's I thought it was l

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Speaker 3: o o n you know, a bird? Maybe I'm not sure,

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Speaker 3: but a luon l u n e. Let me just

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Speaker 1: And of course that is and we all know it, folks,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know why I'm even having to tell you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I just want to get this exactly correct.

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Speaker 3: It's a crescent shaped figure formed on a sphere or

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Speaker 3: plane by two arcs intersecting at two points. We all

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Speaker 3: know exactly what that is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the moonlike crescent. Yes, Caitlyn, the moonlight crescent. Amazing. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's great to have another Caitlin Durante anagram in the family,

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Speaker 1: in the zeke loon, in the zeitgeist, and it has

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and I would be remiss my

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Speaker 3: responsibilities as co host today. I have to say that today,

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Speaker 3: August thirteenth is National Filet Mignon Day. Okay, national is

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Speaker 3: our International left handers Day. You're left handed, it's your day.

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Speaker 1: And I was pumping my right hand, but I am

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Speaker 1: left handed.

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Speaker 3: Okay, very good. And then also National Prosecco Day, so

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Speaker 3: we've got to kind of fancy, you know, prosecco filet

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Speaker 3: Have a dinner. I don't think prosecco really goes with

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Speaker 3: filet mignon. You would have probably a red wine with

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Speaker 1: But you know, prosecco is like a non champagne champagne.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's champ it's the poor man's champagne.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sham champagne, but not fully champagne.

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Speaker 3: It's sham champagne.

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Speaker 1: It is in no way the file mignon of champagne.

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Speaker 1: the the hot dog, the hot dog. Anyways, Caitlin, we

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Speaker 1: of popular Cradle podcast, a podcast about Palestine. Also co

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Speaker 1: hosts five to four, a podcast about all the ways

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is a fucking disaster. She's a supervising

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Speaker 1: attorney at Texas Law, has worked as a public defender

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Speaker 1: in Rio Grande City, Texas and an act of who

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Speaker 1: got arrested for protesting Israel's ongoing atrocities against Palestine. Please

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show, Rihann.

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Speaker 2: And Hama Me. I didn't prepare any akaa's, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess that Rihann and hammam aka jailbird. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right. You've been arrested since we

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, great to be back.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Thank you for being here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got arrested protesting on the campus of University of Texas,

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Speaker 1: do you I'm sure you've talked about it. I know

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Speaker 1: you've talked about it on five four. I heard you

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Speaker 2: You know, it was it was it was super crazy.

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Speaker 2: if people kind of followed this of course, you know,

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Speaker 2: like things like the student encampment movement and that kind

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Speaker 2: It was just students gathering for like, you know, a

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Speaker 2: And yes, State of Texas through ut basically just called

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Speaker 2: really it was. It was so wild. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: because it's just like, no, the lesson is like the

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Speaker 2: state will call in cops to beat up some kids

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Speaker 2: if they don't like what you're saying, right, Like, that's

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Speaker 1: Of it, and we'll rescue and do and do violence

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Speaker 1: regardless of whether you respond, you know, do respond to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all for exercising your first Amendment.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, Yeah, kind of like I guess I learned

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Speaker 2: the wrong first Amendment in law school, but something different

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Speaker 2: than what the uh than what state troopers in Texas learned,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I like that they weren't ready on the

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Speaker 1: so can we just like kind of go through with this.

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Speaker 1: I already have like the shit on me, like I

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Speaker 1: have all the got on. I brought a huge but

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Speaker 2: Also brought thirty massive horses. So can I just let

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Speaker 2: loose on these nineteen year olds or what? You know?

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Speaker 1: That's right? All right, Well, I'm sorry you went through that,

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Speaker 1: of this civilization we live in. We are going to

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Speaker 2: Another horror, another horror.

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Speaker 1: Specifically, I want to talk about Trump the United States.

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Speaker 1: I knew this was bad when it happened. I didn't

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Speaker 1: really get how bad it was until listening to five

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Speaker 1: have King now. Yeah. I know, I know you thought

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Speaker 1: don't know. I've been thinking a lot about that lately,

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Speaker 1: just because it feels like the the Trump or the

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that, and we might get to

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Speaker 1: Navajo water rights, which another recent opinion where written by

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Speaker 1: none other than Brett Kavanaugh, just fucking killing it. Just

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Speaker 2: You don't even need Trump for that kind of evil. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: turned out the Court is delivering doling out those decisions

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can do bad all on their own.

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Speaker 1: asking what is something from your search history that's realing

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Speaker 2: Okay, search history right now is a lot of used cars,

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Speaker 2: and you know what, I know we're going to go

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Speaker 2: into underrated and overrated and this is this is this

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Speaker 2: is very much connected. So right now used cars, I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at how much is how much is a Honda

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Speaker 2: much is a Kia Soul? You know, yeah, so that's

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Speaker 2: the search history really stacked with used cars right now?

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Speaker 3: Are you in the market for one? Well, nope, curious.

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Speaker 2: Should I go ahead and tell you my underrated I

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Speaker 2: think so? Yeah, so underrated rip twenty fourteen Kia Soul,

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Speaker 2: one thousand miles on it. It served me so well.

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Speaker 2: Salute the twenty fourteen Kia Soul because she died.

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Speaker 3: She died just last week.

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Speaker 1: at home think Justin is piping that in from an

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Speaker 1: actual military funeral, But no, that is our very on

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Speaker 1: Kaitlin Durante revealing themselves to be the this generations. Michael Winslow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so underrated. Is that beautiful Hamster car, the Kia Soul.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was the Okay, that was the Hamster car.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what a swing image, what a big swing

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Speaker 2: and she did so much for me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, The car commercials have been the same for the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fucker fucking drive around in my iPad out of here.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if that's what if that's what people want

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Speaker 1: It, Yeah, rubbing it in the animal kingdom's face.

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Speaker 1: United States? Is that how we pronounce that? We pronounced

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in the realm of Supreme the supremes.

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Speaker 2: You got it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So a lot of people have talked about how

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Speaker 2: the normal person wouldn't be able to do. You already

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Speaker 2: talked about like leading the military, the president's commander in chief, Like,

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Speaker 2: hold them legally accountable for doing something. Yes, they're the president,

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Speaker 2: be able to sue the president. He's not doing his

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Speaker 1: Know, yes, but especially he kind of fucked up your

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen right, Yes he should be he must pay.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, So in this case, the Supreme Court, this

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah. What's so so wild is what the

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Speaker 2: let's be real, the hyper conservative six maniacs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but John Roberts is the middle of the road

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Speaker 2: This pass, Supreme Court term be the death of that idea.

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Speaker 2: This we we've got Roberts on decisions all over the

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Speaker 2: So that means like it doesn't matter for what purpose

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Speaker 2: It's an official act, and so you you are immune

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Speaker 1: And if Trump gets back in the White House, it

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Speaker 3: Like it's really a dare, Like I dare you just

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Speaker 1: Question mark. Yeah, there are limitations, Like I think you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a it's a little bit different,

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Speaker 2: Oh no, you can't do that. No you can't, you can't.

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Speaker 2: You know, the EPA can't say as part of a

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Speaker 2: that's like a that's too much power, right, but all

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Speaker 2: their electors. He also threatened to fire the acting Attorney

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Speaker 2: General for not cooperating with that. Like that's those are

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Speaker 2: the specific accusations that Trump or anybody else could be

436
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Speaker 2: criminally prosecuted for. And you know, the Supreme Court John

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Speaker 2: robertson this decision says, well't no, that's like part of

438
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Speaker 2: being that's just part of the office.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the president. Yeah, of course he's going to fire.

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Speaker 1: Like remember how big a deal it was when he

441
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Speaker 1: fired Komy. We were like, holy shit, we have entered

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Speaker 1: and then he like went on that lesser Holt interview,

443
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Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I didn't really like that

444
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: he was looking into me, so I you know, it

445
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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, we've like entered a new

446
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Speaker 1: world where he's just going to try and get away

447
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Speaker 1: with it. And now the Supreme Court's like, yeah, no,

448
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,239
Speaker 1: that's like totally fine. What yeah, like shut the fuck up,

449
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: stop complaining.

450
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: Everything, right, right, And so if you can like misuse

451
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: abuse your power with like ordering the DOJ to do

452
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: illegal sham shit, right, then yeah, in the second term,

453
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: like that you there's really no telling And and the

454
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Speaker 2: Court said, yeah, it's not just this stuff for which

455
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: he's immune, it's also like, here's how you think about

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00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 2: these cases in the future. And again that's just like

457
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: if it's connected to the office of the presidency, if

458
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Speaker 2: it's you know, just kind of draped in this, if

459
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: if he can say I did this in my capacity

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Speaker 2: as the president, then yeah, he's immune from criminal prosecution

461
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Speaker 2: for anything that comes out of that.

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Speaker 1: And it really felt like a broad and unapologetic collusion

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Speaker 1: between like the Supreme Court and Trump, like they delayed

464
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Speaker 1: the ruling for him and then found even more strongly

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Speaker 1: for him than what he was seeking. Yeah, it's just

466
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Speaker 1: like now, in retrospect, I think we're having a hard

467
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Speaker 1: time getting our mind around just like how off the

468
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: rails this has gone. Like no, yeah, yeah, just listening

469
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Speaker 1: back to like earlier episodes of your show, of like

470
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Speaker 1: any show like from before this, you know, like when

471
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Speaker 1: I remember being like, oh, I'm coming back from a

472
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: trip with my family on July eleventh, so that'll be

473
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Speaker 1: like when Trump is sentenced, so we'll find that out

474
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: then like that's just gone. It's like the worst case

475
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Speaker 1: scenario was like him not seeing jail time, and now

476
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: we're just like, oh no, actually, maybe what he did

477
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Speaker 1: is legal. Maybe like he's not a felon because because

478
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Speaker 1: the supremeor Court is like he can do whatever the

479
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Speaker 1: fuck he wants.

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Speaker 2: Everybody absolutely, yeah, no, it's super crazy, like the yeah,

481
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: like the discourse was about like you know, I never

482
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Speaker 2: thought Trump was going to see prison time, right, but

483
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Speaker 2: it was like okay, like maybe he would be like

484
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Speaker 2: on house arrest for like a couple of weeks or something,

485
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Speaker 2: and then he's just like on probation and like that

486
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: would be crazy and ha ha ha highway, like the

487
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Speaker 2: Secret Service has to go with him on community service day,

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Speaker 2: you know, right, you.

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Speaker 3: Know erased all that, and he is king, yeah.

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Speaker 5: He's going to be ca yeah yeah, Well, and he's

491
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 5: like he's like explicitly saying this.

492
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Speaker 2: He's saying, like, if you vote for me, you're never

493
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: gonna have to vote. Yeah, Like he's ready to just

494
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: post up and be like I can't commit a crime.

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, we're good here, he's done donezo Yeah. Yeah.

496
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 1: Really feels like we'll never get him out of office

497
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: the if he wins this time and yeah, in the

498
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: next act, I want to talk about how I like

499
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: it feels like he's specifically signaling that this is his plan.

500
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Speaker 1: Is like his ace in the hole is that he

501
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Speaker 1: has like the Supreme Court on his side, or at

502
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Speaker 1: least a lot of judges and election officials. But the

503
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Speaker 1: day that this came down, he was like, we should

504
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Speaker 1: be thinking about prosecuting Liz Cheney for treason, like he knows, Yeah,

505
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: he's ready to use this power. Yeah, Like the the

506
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: DJ is like is his gun now he is going

507
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Speaker 1: to be able to do the thing that he was

508
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: joking about joking in quotes, but like clearly you know

509
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: has always wanted to do, which is like shoot someone

510
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: in the middle of fifth Avenue and like get away

511
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. He's like, it's like not that far off

513
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: from what he's been talking about right for for years now,

514
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: and it's just about like him. That's that's what's so

515
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: dangerous about a Trump administration in terms of things like

516
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five, all all of that that comes

517
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: with it, is we've already seen it in a first

518
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 2: Trump term, that he installs the people who allow him

519
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: to do this, right, who build up, who changed laws,

520
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: who interpret laws, so that when he has power, he

521
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: can do exactly what he's saying he wants to do

522
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: with it, you know. And so like you know, from

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Speaker 2: our from from my perspective, like watching the Supreme Court,

524
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: you know, you always have to go back to Trump

525
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: had three nominations to the Supreme Court. Yeah, got them,

526
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, got all three confirmed. And you know, you

527
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: just have to be real, I think, you know, like

528
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: legal analysts, political analysts, all of that kind of thing,

529
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: you have to be real that Trump installed those three

530
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: people for very specific reasons, right, One which they've been

531
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: super upfront about and which they already achieved, was overturning

532
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Speaker 2: Roe v.

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Speaker 1: Wade.

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Speaker 2: He put those three conservatives because he knew those three

535
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: conservatives would vote that way, right, and now with that

536
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: like kind of it's very direct, like a quid pro quo,

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00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: like I put you on the court to do X,

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Speaker 2: Y Z, and here we go this like crazy conservative

539
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Speaker 2: super majority. They're ready to do it. They're they're yeah.

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Speaker 1: They're doing it more than really Yeah, they're X Y

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Speaker 1: and Z ing it exactly do we it does? You're right,

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Speaker 1: it does feel like this has been a plan all along.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering, like because John Roberts had been more

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Speaker 1: like he hadn't been this out and out like right

545
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: wing crazy, had he? Or am I was I just

546
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: like not paying attention. It's entirely possible. I wasn't paying attention.

547
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: But like it feels like I don't know that like

548
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: Brett Cavanaugh got in there and he's just like a

549
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: bad influence on everyone or something like it just feels

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Speaker 1: like it's like a total it's taken a real turn.

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Speaker 2: I think that's right. Like John Roberts has always been

552
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: a conservative, Like he's always hated things like voting rights,

553
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: you know, like there his legal career before he was

554
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: ever a judge, like shows a lot of his a

555
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: lot of super conservative positions on a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: I think this past term might show us, the past

557
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: couple of terms at the Supreme Court might show us

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Speaker 2: maybe maybe two things. One is that John Roberts now

559
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Speaker 2: is the Chief Justice presiding over cases at the Supreme

560
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: Court where the Overton window has shifted dramatically. Like the

561
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: cases now being decided are not like, Okay, what's this

562
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 2: little tiny what's this little tiny tweak that we could

563
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: make in the conservative direction on Roe v.

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Speaker 1: Wade?

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00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but it's like literally like is the president

566
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Speaker 2: immune from criminal prosecution when the president does crimes?

567
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 5: Right?

568
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: And so it's like the conservative, the hyper conservative inside

570
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: of John Roberts can totally jump out because because the

571
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: cases in front of the Supreme Court right now are

572
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: on issues that are just wildly, wildly conservative, right, So

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Speaker 2: there doesn't have to be the appearance of like the

574
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Speaker 2: questions they're answering within those questions, there doesn't have to

575
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: be this kind of like sham appearance of like moderation, right,

576
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: or sort of institutional legitimacy from the Court that John

577
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 2: Roberts was like kind of using as a tactic in

578
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: in years prior. Right, Yeah, And I think another thing too,

579
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Speaker 2: is that John Roberts and the rest of the Conservatives

580
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Speaker 2: on the Supreme Court, and everybody on the Supreme Court

581
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Speaker 2: is a human being who is influenced by the political

582
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Speaker 2: moment and media and you know, shifts in popular opinion

583
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 2: and shifts and development in conservative thought just like everybody else's.

584
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Speaker 2: And so you know Fox News is writing is rotting

585
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: their brains too.

586
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, there, you can absolutely tell that they're just mainlining

587
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: fucking Jesse Waters and yeah, oh yeah, I mean in

588
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Speaker 1: the case of Alito As we'll get to fucking like

589
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: Q conspiracies. But yeah, it's it's so wild. I mean,

590
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Speaker 1: this is how fascism happens, right, Like the rule of

591
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: law is not like it's not like fascists come in

592
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: and just like say no more Supreme Court. It's exactly

593
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Speaker 1: the rule of law. I think it was said on

594
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Speaker 1: five to four by Peter Like, the rule of law

595
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Speaker 1: is whatever fascists need it to be in a given moment.

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Speaker 1: Yea's inconsistent, but it is. You know, they will use

597
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: it like a cudgel, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, exactly, yeah, exactly, we're talking. I mean, and there's

599
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: so many cases from this past term that show that

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Speaker 2: you know, I think when we were talking about like

601
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Speaker 2: fascism and the rule of law and that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: That was probably on our episode about Snyder, which is

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Speaker 2: the case about like bribery, like bribing elected officials, where

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00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court said, like, hmm, well, actually you know this,

605
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: this check that a trucking company gave to the mayor

606
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Speaker 2: of this Oregon city for thirteen thousand dollars for awarding

607
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: that trucking company trucking contracts. That's not bribery, Like yeah,

608
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 2: and that's exactly like you know, all of these cases

609
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: like on their own, you're like, oh, that's fucked up.

610
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 2: Oh that's another fucked up decision, But when you see

611
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: them all together and you really like what the Supreme

612
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: Court is doing, like that is the overarching goal is

613
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: about ushering in right a legal order where these conservatives

614
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: are in charge. These conservatives are the ones saying what

615
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: the law is, and they will always use that to

616
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 2: they will always use that to like reach the results

617
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: that they want for their policy preferences, for that vision

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00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: they have for the world.

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Speaker 1: And whoever has the most money becomes the most powerful exactly.

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Speaker 3: Totally, because you know, if Trump becomes president again. Uh,

621
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Speaker 3: and he exercises this ability to commit crimes with is

622
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 3: God given king, right, Yeah, the Supreme Court will just

623
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: be like, Yep, we ruled that that was the choice,

624
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 3: and that's great and good, do whatever you need to do, buddy.

625
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: Versus if not Trump is elected and then that person

626
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: tries to commit crimes, I feel like the Supreme Court

627
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: would be like, well, in this case, actually no own blah,

628
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: like there's no objectivity.

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00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no. And you see the tools that they use, right, So,

630
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 2: like they put like the appearance of legal analysis and

631
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: they say, well, like, well, you got to decide first

632
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: if something is an official act or an unofficial act, right,

633
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: And so you see that they're like building in the

634
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: tools that they're going to use to reach the completely

635
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 2: opposite result when they don't like the president who's doing

636
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: the acts.

637
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: Right.

638
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 2: So in the future, what they can say as well, no,

639
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: that wasn't you know, if let's say Kamala wins, right, Well, no,

640
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 2: Kamala wasn't doing an official act as part of the

641
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: office of the presidency. That was an unofficial act, and

642
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: you don't get presidential immunity for unofficial acts, right, So

643
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: it's all about just like recognizing like the law isn't

644
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: like a mathematical equation where you go two plus two

645
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: and you know what the result is going to be. Like,

646
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: the law is a tool. It's a political tool, and

647
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: that's what these conservatives on the Supreme Court are using

648
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: it as.

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Speaker 3: Right, They're like deliberately building in loopholes that they can

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Speaker 3: exploit for whatever agenda they want carry out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Biden can't actually do Supreme Court reform right?

652
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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Is how do you think about the Supreme Court reform

654
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Speaker 1: that Biden has very just very cautiously hinted at wanting

655
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Speaker 1: to explore like it is obviously he probably doesn't have

656
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: the time to do it. Left, But is he at

657
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: least like looking in the right direction? Is he at

658
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: least starting the right conversations.

659
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Speaker 2: It's absolutely in it's absolutely looking in the right direction

660
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: and starting the right conversations. You know, it was looking

661
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: in the right direction and starting the right conversations, you

662
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: know four years ago when he ran on a platform

663
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: of court reform, and when he took the presidency and

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Speaker 2: struck the Biden Commission on Supreme Court Reform had people lawyers, judges,

665
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: law professors from quote unquote both sides of the Aisle

666
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: come together and talk about where necessary court reform could

667
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: take place, how it could take place, what it would entail.

668
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Speaker 2: Biden and the Democrats I think are speaking to that

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Speaker 2: at least, at the very least giving lip service if

670
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: you're kind of cynical like I am, because they know

671
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Speaker 2: that actually it's publicly quite popular, like people know right

672
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: now that the Supreme Court is super fucked up and

673
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: that there needs to be court reform, and so yeah,

674
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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party will kind of throw that out that

675
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Speaker 2: they're willing and able to look at it, and and

676
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Speaker 2: you know, want to get the conversation started and that

677
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: kind of thing. So yeah, the conversation, Yeah, it needs

678
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: to be started and should have been started. And I

679
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 2: think it's about like demanding that like the reforms actually happen.

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Speaker 3: There was just a really intense earthquake in California.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we are okay, yeah, yeah, justin Victor,

682
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Speaker 1: everybody okay, Yeah, I'm good.

683
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: Shook my house still pretty hard?

684
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

685
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: Oh it's still going. Still feeling like.

686
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: Victor died, reported that he died. I'm sorry, Victor, Oh

687
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: my god. Well hope everybody listening also, okay, listening a

688
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: day in the future. All right, let's uh take a

689
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: quick break to gather ourselves to just steady, steady our

690
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: our quakings and quaking hearts, and we'll come back to

691
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: talk about how the Supreme Court might We've already talked

692
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: about how if Trump gets elected, we're fucked. Let's talk

693
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: about how the Supreme Court can help get him elected.

694
00:41:43,680 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. And Donald Trump, yes,

695
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: have you heard about this? He has been talking a

696
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 1: lot about the Georgia Election Board and how much they're

697
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: fighting the good fight. Basically, they got like three mega

698
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: people on a board of five and they're they just

699
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: want to do everything they can to fuck with the

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Speaker 1: process and get in the way of certification if Donald

701
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Speaker 1: Trump doesn't win. This past weekend, they ordered an investigation

702
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: into the twenty twenty results. They're going back to that one. Also,

703
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: there was that great New York Times article about like

704
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: Trump's challenging three months by Haberman and co. Where they

705
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: were like all his big mega donors like had a

706
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: meeting with him where they're like, okay, like how are

707
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: we going to change the messaging on this? And he

708
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: was like Okay, First of all, we need to stop

709
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: the steal. Still talking about the twenty twenty election, the

710
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: fuck but anyways, he's still stuck on that. But given

711
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: what we know about the state of the Supreme Court

712
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: following Trump the United States, I feel like there's no

713
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Speaker 1: doubt that they would cooperate in an attempt to fuck

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Speaker 1: with the certification the counting of votes if there's any

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Speaker 1: chance that they can do it. And this has made

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Speaker 1: me think a lot about like one of the first

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Speaker 1: political moments that I remember, which is the election between

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Speaker 1: Al Gore and George W. Bush, which is what the

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Speaker 1: first episode of five to four is about. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it is straight up the Supreme Court being a five

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Speaker 1: to four conservative majority determining the two thousand election. Yeah,

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00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: along partisan lines, based on nothing so much as like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's who we want to win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Do people need a refresher?

725
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: I do?

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00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: I think people like really forget. I mean, you know,

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00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: we're we're all pretty young. I was in eighth grade

728
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: during the two thousand elections, so like I didn't.

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Speaker 3: Even know what I think really, yeah, thirty eighty year

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Speaker 3: I was born in nineteen nineteen. I just forgot how

731
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Speaker 3: numbers worked.

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Speaker 1: For a second.

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Speaker 3: I was born in eighty six, Yes, okay, I was.

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Speaker 3: I was maybe I was a freshman or oh, I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I was some age around.

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Speaker 1: I was in my mid fifties, but I just hadn't

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Speaker 1: paid attention to politics before then. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I learned more about this case in law school,

739
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: and it is it's so wild, and it's so wild

740
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Speaker 2: to harken back and be like, oh, okay, so the

741
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Speaker 2: exact same thing could happen.

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Speaker 3: Cool.

743
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So George W. Bush al Gore running for president,

744
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: it came down to Florida. Whoever won Florida was going

745
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Speaker 2: to win the presidency, right, Like, literally neither one of

746
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: them had enough electoral votes. You had to get Florida,

747
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Speaker 2: and Florida was contested.

748
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Speaker 3: So because of the chads, the hanging chads.

749
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Speaker 2: There, Yes, it was hanging chads. It was all kinds

750
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Speaker 2: of issues with counting the votes in Florida.

751
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Speaker 1: So Jalo's jokes about hanging chads is what got me

752
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: interested in comedy in the first place. That's there's so

753
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: many good ones. You heard about this.

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Speaker 2: So what happened was now Florida did get called for Bush. Right,

755
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 2: the Florida division of elections, like called Florida for Bush.

756
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Speaker 2: But the thing was is that the margin of victory

757
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 2: was so low, it was less than two thousand votes,

758
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Speaker 2: which put that in according to Florida state law said

759
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: that there needed to be a mandatory recount. Right, So

760
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Speaker 2: there was this machine recount and that came back again

761
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Speaker 2: with Bush winning, but it was by even fewer votes, right,

762
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 2: it was like three hundred votes. Right.

763
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Speaker 3: Then the counting system is not accurate, right.

764
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Speaker 2: Right, like, and that sometimes at the margins, right, Like

765
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: a recount does need to happen.

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Speaker 1: So you're like, so Bush won, and they were like, right, well, yeah.

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Speaker 2: So what happened? You know, when the machine recount showed

768
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Speaker 2: that like Bush had won maybe by something like three

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Speaker 2: hundred votes total in the entire state, the Gore campaign

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Speaker 2: requested a manual recount in some of these counties, right,

771
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Speaker 2: and then the litigation was off to the races. Right,

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Speaker 2: That's where the court cases went cuckoo. It was in

773
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Speaker 2: Florida State court. It went up to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: The Florida Supreme Court ordered a state wide manual recount. Okay,

775
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Speaker 2: no more machines across the state. Every county recount your

776
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: votes by hand, we need to figure out how many

777
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: votes each candidate got. Okay, seems reasonable, right, Florida Supreme

778
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: Court like, let's just do a recount, you guys.

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Speaker 5: Everybody's vote gets count right, exactly, Let's actually count the votes. Maybe,

780
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 5: like that's that was the that was the right, right,

781
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Speaker 5: And so what did the Bush campaign do?

782
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Speaker 2: The Bush campaign challenged that order for a recount. They

783
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Speaker 2: challenged it at the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court

784
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: took the case and they granted a stay, meaning they

785
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 2: were saying, stop the recount until we fully decide. And

786
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Speaker 2: Justice antonin Scalia ultra conservative. Yeah, psycho, one of the worst. Yeah,

787
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Speaker 2: one of the absolute worst. At the time he wrote

788
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Speaker 2: that they were granting the Supreme Court of the United

789
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Speaker 2: States was granting the stay like saying, no, no, we

790
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: really need to pause the recount and take this seriously

791
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Speaker 2: because there's a threat of irreparable harm on the Bush campaign.

792
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Speaker 2: If there is always like this shroud of like like

793
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Speaker 2: a question that maybe Bush's win isn't legitimate if they

794
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: do the recount like that, that would be irreparable harm. And

795
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Speaker 2: the other justices there were liberal justices who were like,

796
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Speaker 2: how would it be irreparable harm if we count all

797
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Speaker 2: the votes.

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Speaker 3: And determine the actual legitimate outcome of the election.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. It starts from the premise that we want

800
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Speaker 1: Bush to win already, and so that would because but

801
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: it's going to be so harmful to his legitimacy if

802
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't win the election, Yes, then people won't even

803
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: let him be president.

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Speaker 4: It was.

805
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Speaker 2: That crazy. So then the Supreme Court considered the whole

806
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: case and they decided that the Florida Supreme Court was

807
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: wrong when they ordered this statewide recount because it would

808
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Speaker 2: be impossible for Florida to do it fairly because each

809
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Speaker 2: county in Florida. Here's the hanging Chad's issue. Each county

810
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: in Florida had different men thids of counting, right like,

811
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: each county election board had a different system for counting.

812
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Speaker 2: The Supreme Court said that would be unfair, So we're

813
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Speaker 2: not going to do a recount. No recount. Now forget that.

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Speaker 2: They could have ordered the same recount method across the

815
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Speaker 2: counties to fix that problem. They could, Yes, exactly, they

816
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: could have said that. They're like, nope, no, we can't. Actually,

817
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 2: this would be super super unfair. It would It would

818
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Speaker 2: violate equal protection of the laws.

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Speaker 3: So and it would hurt recount George W. Bush's feelings.

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Speaker 1: Can we not take that into account? It will hurt right.

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Speaker 2: So that's the story of bushby gored Like it really

822
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Speaker 2: is that kind of like boldly political, boldly partisan. It is.

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Speaker 2: It was at the time the five Conservatives on the

824
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: Supreme Court being like, m we want Bush to win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I took the l SAT at one point,

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Speaker 1: very whoa dag, Yeah, that's right, I did.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, here I am over here with the amasly

828
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Speaker 3: master's degree in screenwriting from Elliston University. You know what

829
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Speaker 3: never mentioned I've never taken the l SAT.

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Speaker 2: No, you know what the real brag is is that

831
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Speaker 2: Jack took the l SAT but then didn't go to

832
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Speaker 2: law school. That's actually the flex.

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Speaker 1: Right walked my way out of it by that time, fortunately,

834
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Speaker 1: But like there's a whole logic section on that test

835
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Speaker 1: where you're supposed to be able to like suss out

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Speaker 1: the arguments, and the idea is that the legal system

837
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Speaker 1: is based on logical arguments, and their logical argument for

838
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Speaker 1: this finding that determined the presidency of the United States,

839
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Speaker 1: like didn't it doesn't make any sense, like on a

840
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: surface level, like in a you can't explain it in

841
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: one sentence, you can't explain it in a thousand sentences.

842
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, so this is what the Supreme Court is.

843
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 1: Like the Supreme Court, yes, is it claims to be

844
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: like these balls and strikes, impartial philosopher kings and queens

845
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: who will you know, just that they're just there to

846
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: like call it like it has no political influence and

847
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: they are just increasingly an apparatus of the Republican Party

848
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: in a way that is really fucking scary, scary, And

849
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: so that's right, Jason Vorhees is back. So like you

850
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: could say, like, yeah, but that was a unique situation

851
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: where like there was this recount and everything was very strange.

852
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: But we have like one of the Supreme Court justices

853
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: seems to be on the like Q, Like Samuel Alito

854
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: was flying a upside down American flag in the immediate

855
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Speaker 1: like on January sixth, or like right after.

856
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 2: Like yeah, on inauguration day, right, yeah, Biden's inauguration day.

857
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, for their life bought in on the like the

858
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: big lie, He's fully bought in on, Like I'm pretty

859
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: sure he has to be like reading Q, shit like,

860
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: and so I I don't think they're going to necessarily

861
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: need things to be as fucked up as they got

862
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: in Florida to intervene this time around, because Trump already

863
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: seems to be like openly working with election officials to

864
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: like throw things into chaos like the way he was

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Speaker 1: trying to do the last time around. Yeah, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Like what are your thoughts on that, Like,

867
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Speaker 1: do you think there's a way for them to without

868
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Speaker 1: the initial controversy of like, man, this was so close

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Speaker 1: in Florida and they designed the ballots like at random,

870
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Speaker 1: just randomly designed them, So like, do you think there's

871
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: a way for them to get involved and give it

872
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: turn the election towards Trump without something like that?

873
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Speaker 2: Yeah? There are there are plenty of ways, And it's

874
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Speaker 2: like I don't think it's the.

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Speaker 1: Most legitimately hoping you were like, well not really.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, there are shaloada ways. No, there are

877
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: shaload a ways. And I don't even think it's about

878
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: like necessarily predicting the specific way that it'll happen in

879
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 2: this election. You know, from the vantage point of August twelfth,

880
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: August thirteenth, twenty twenty four. But the point is, and

881
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: I think Bush by Gore is the really good example

882
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 2: because it's like that was also unforeseen. Right. You couldn't

883
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: you couldn't have seen you couldn't have foreseen that, like

884
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: hanging chads in two counties in Florida were going to

885
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 2: you know, put into question, you know, a few thousand votes, right.

886
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 2: But it was about installing a system and apparatus, in

887
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:25,919
Speaker 2: this case, a legal one, right, that would be ready primed, right,

888
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: political and biased in a specific way, so that when

889
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 2: that issue came before them, right, the decision making power

890
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: was with people who you know, were primed to come

891
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 2: out a certain way. And that's the same thing with Trump. Right,

892
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: This Supreme Court has six maniacs on it. This is

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Speaker 2: not six, right, Like we think about the Supreme Court

894
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: as like we say this all the time. It's got

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Speaker 2: to be you know, these are the smartest best lawyers

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Speaker 2: judges in the country. Right, it is not true, sam Alito,

897
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Speaker 2: I would guess, Sam al you know it's not even

898
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: it's not just Fox News. He's watching o An, he's

899
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: watching the crazy shit on YouTube. Right, yeah, and uh

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00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: exactly and elsewhere, right, I mean four years ago Clarence Thomas,

901
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: another one, another absolutely cuckoo psycho. Right, his wife Jenny

902
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 2: Thomas putting out that, like, you know, the bidens were

903
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: gonna be like imprisoned on a barge at Guantanamo, right,

904
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: like this is not this is this? These are these

905
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: are yeah, conspiracy theory, rabidly conservative, quite violent in their

906
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: world vision. Right, these are the types of conservatives who

907
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: are on the Supreme Court, you know, just like the

908
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 2: crazy just like your local crazy Republican politician from whatever

909
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 2: county who you know runs on a platform of uh,

910
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: disgustingly like anti trus anti immigrant, right like that. You

911
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: have to have to we have to understand conceive of

912
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 2: Supreme Court justices also as a kind of politician, and

913
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 2: they have those same biases, They have those same foundations

914
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: from which their politics are born out of. They just

915
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: also know how to speak in legalise. Right. So for Trump,

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00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 2: it'll be whatever situation comes up, Trump is saying, I'm

917
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: gonna ensure chaos in this situation, I'm going to ensure

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00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 2: chaos in these in this election and in whatever procedures

919
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: there are, so that whatever issue it might be that

920
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 2: gets teed up for the Supreme Court. Yeah, John Roberts

921
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: and the rest of those nasty losers. They're they're ready

922
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: for it. They're gonna do yeah whatever he wants.

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00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll all be out in the streets protesting

924
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: after that. And if you want to see how will

925
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Speaker 1: all be treated, just look at the protests in favor

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Speaker 1: of Palestine.

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Speaker 2: Yay, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And maybe uh that's why I was like, wow,

929
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: people really are not giving a fuck about these students

930
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Speaker 1: and willing to just let this, let the mainstream media

931
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Speaker 1: just discount them and be like, well we heard one

932
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Speaker 1: person who wasn't a student say something anti semitic, So.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, that's the thing. That's the thing that every

934
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: you know, you have to that's the thing that everybody

935
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: has to realize. Like when you you know, when you

936
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Speaker 2: accept it for somebody else, yeah, you are accepting it

937
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: to happen to you too, you know.

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Speaker 1: It's uh yeah, So I don't know. The one thing

939
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: I've heard people throw out is like, well, Biden now

940
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: has these powers of monarch, supreme monarch, can't he do

941
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: something like present Supreme Court please something?

942
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Speaker 2: I mean, what's so crazy is like the solutions, Caitlin,

943
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 2: Like you're talking about like court reform, like it's actually

944
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: not even illegal. You know, gonna have to have presidential

945
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: immunity to do it, Like we just have to have

946
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Speaker 2: like political will, like just fucking.

947
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Speaker 1: Just do something, yea, do something.

948
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Speaker 3: Here's some brilliant joke. I've been trying to legend this

949
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 3: whole conversation the Supreme Court more like the Suckpreme Court.

950
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Speaker 1: There it is, and it is, this whole conversation.

951
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, summed up.

952
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to change the name of our podcast

953
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 2: to Suckpreme Court.

954
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, more Likepreme Court. And you're all welcome. Well Rihann

955
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: and what a pleasure having you on the show.

956
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: Hey, it's always a blast. Thanks.

957
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?

958
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: Well you can follow at five to four pod all

959
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 2: spelled out for following the podcast. Also at Popular Cradle

960
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: for my new podcast that's about Palestine, Palestinian resistance and history,

961
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: all that kind of good stuff. I am on Twitter

962
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Speaker 2: not so much, but I'm there at a wa rhiannon

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Speaker 2: aa is a y w A. So yeah, we're we're

964
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Speaker 2: out here, all right.

965
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Speaker 1: And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?

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00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 2: Australian break dancing at the line.

967
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's right, and I've been a fan since

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00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: way back. I knew of ray Gun's work coming in

969
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: and Ygun is excited for the world.

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00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: To Raygun and I came up at about the same

971
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Speaker 2: time Raygun, I'm regun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we we go way back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Beautiful, Oh my god, what a well

974
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Speaker 1: that was. That was a lot of fun, like also bad,

975
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Speaker 1: like for any breakdancers who didn't get to go to

976
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Speaker 1: the Olympics, and I feel that for break dancing on

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Speaker 1: the other hand, holy ship to.

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Speaker 3: See a woman fail upwards from you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Caitlin, Where can people find you? Is there a

980
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: work of media you've been enjoying?

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01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 3: I'm mostly on Instagram these days at Kaitlyn Durrante. You

982
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 3: can sign up for screenwriting classes that I'm teaching using

983
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: that aforementioned but never mentioned screenwriting Master's degree that I have.

984
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm teaching online screenwriting classes. You can find

985
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Speaker 3: information about those on my website kaitlindurante dot com slash classes.

986
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 3: I have a couple starting in mid September, so check

987
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 3: those out. You can listen to my podcast, The Bechdel Cast,

988
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 3: that I co host with Jamie loftis where we examine

989
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 3: movies through and through an intersectional feminist lens, and a

990
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 3: piece of media that I've been enjoying because I know

991
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 3: you're gonna ask, oh my god, wait, that's fucking crazy.

992
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: I know you figure out that is.

993
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 3: There's something spooky foot the piece of me. I just

994
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 3: saw Kneecap yesterday. It's the movie kind of biopic, but

995
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is fictionalized about the

996
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 3: Irish rap group also called Kneecap, that is, through their music,

997
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 3: trying to preserve the Irish language. And it's a really

998
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 3: fun movie and it's very funny and I liked it

999
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Speaker 3: a lot. So everyone check out Kneecap in a theater

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Speaker 3: near you.

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Speaker 1: That's fun like like Gaelic, yeah, like oh yeah.

1002
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 3: People still don't speak it. It turns out I.

1003
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: Don't believe you.

1004
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: They're lying.

1005
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: They're just making vaguely Irish sounds. You can find me

1006
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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. Tweet I've been enjoying

1007
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: was from John Levenstein, who, upon watching Olympic volleyball, tweeted,

1008
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: if I were on a volleyball team that huddled after

1009
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 1: every point, I would start to get irritated and say

1010
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: I've got nothing new for you. You guys, It's like

1011
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: I always wonder, like, what the fuck are they saying

1012
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: in there after every single Yeah, it's just like I

1013
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: don't know, guys the same ship every time.

1014
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do.

1015
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: We do need the touch. Everybody needs to, like athletes

1016
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: need to touch each other. Apparently they perform better. Anyways,

1017
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: you can find me. It's a contact sport in more

1018
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: ways than one. The contact, heart on heart contact is

1019
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: really what it's about. You can find me on Twitter

1020
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: at Jack Underscore O Brian. You can find us on

1021
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist where at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram,

1022
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: we have a Facebook fan page and a website, Daily

1023
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: zei gast dot com where we post our episodes and

1024
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: our footnotes where we like to the information that we

1025
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Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode as well as that really

1026
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: threw me for some reason. It's good. It's very well done.

1027
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Speaker 1: It's never been done.

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01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 3: Before, so I didn't innovate that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really well done. I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 1: tell Miles about that. Yeah, you do it. We also

1031
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: like to lack off to a song that we think

1032
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: you might enjoy. With Miles being out, we always like

1033
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Speaker 1: to ask super producer Justin Connor if there is a

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Speaker 1: song that he's been enjoying that he would like to recommend.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, if you love two thousands and nineties R and B,

1036
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 6: this will really make you smile, the kind of warm nostalgia.

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Speaker 6: This is a track called Strange Things by Double. It's

1038
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 6: a simple love song from two thousand and two, but

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Speaker 6: it switches between Japanese and English language singing and it

1040
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 6: sounds like if SWV or three LW spent some time

1041
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 6: in Japan, became fluent in the language and just sang

1042
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 6: their hearts out. So this is Strange Things by Double

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Speaker 6: and you can find that song in the footnotes footnotes.

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Speaker 1: The Daily Zeit Guys is the production of by Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: That's going to do it for us this morning, back

1048
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you all then. Bye bye bye