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Speaker 1: Good evening, America, Happy Thursday. Welcome to the latest edition

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Speaker 1: of Just the News, No Noise. I'm your host, John Solomon,

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Speaker 1: reporting to you is always from the nation's capital, where

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Speaker 1: we have some breaking news. But first quick programming note,

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Speaker 1: my co host, the amazing Amanda Head on vacation, so

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Speaker 1: we'll be back next week, so don't worry.

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Speaker 2: We'll have it back in the.

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Speaker 1: Chair in time to break some big news ahead of

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Speaker 1: the state of the Union. Right now, some breaking news

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Speaker 1: had just happened. Just a few moments ago. The President

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Speaker 1: of the United States, Donald J. Trump, announced that Iron

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Speaker 1: has just fifteen days left to make a deal with

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Speaker 1: the United States their faced unfortunate consequences. The clock is

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Speaker 1: now taking, the date is now set.

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Speaker 2: There is a deadline.

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Speaker 1: Iron will not be able to spring this along for

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Speaker 1: two and three years, like it has tried in many

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Speaker 1: other negotiations over the last three or four decades since

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Speaker 1: the Mulist took over that country. Donald Trump has set

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Speaker 1: a picking time clock and he means that you can

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Speaker 1: tell today for his statement. Meanwhile, over in Great Britain,

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Speaker 1: the British people have been asking will the former Prince Andrew,

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Speaker 1: the brother of King Charles, third, would he ever face

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Speaker 1: any consequences for his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. But the

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Speaker 1: answer this morning was absolutely why because of British authorities

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Speaker 1: arrested the former Prince, the former royal who was stripped

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Speaker 1: relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, on charges of potential public corruption.

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Speaker 1: The allegations stem from documents that Pam Bondi's Justice Department

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Speaker 1: released in the last couple of weeks that showed that

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Speaker 1: he may have been fading feeding secrets from his job

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Speaker 1: as a trade representative in the British government to people

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Speaker 1: like Epstein and others. Police arrested them, they held them

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Speaker 1: for several months, They searched several of his properties.

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Speaker 2: They did let him go, but they.

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Speaker 1: Also confirm that there is an investigation. Prince Charles or

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Speaker 1: takes to me. King Charles responded along with the British

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister, both men saying they'll have to let the

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Speaker 1: law take its course when it comes to Andrew. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you have a lot more of that over at

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Speaker 1: justinnews dot com. Meanwhile, some really important news here in Washington,

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Speaker 1: and I want to get to you, but a quick

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Speaker 1: they tour down to Texas. The Antifa terror cell that

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Speaker 1: last summer attacked a group of ICE agents and an

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Speaker 1: a lethal gun attack on officers. They had their trial

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Speaker 1: begun and almost instantly there was a mistrial declared why

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Speaker 1: one of the defense lawyers for these terrorists wore a

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Speaker 1: politically message shirt, which the judge ruled to be inappropriate.

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Speaker 1: The jury selection was stopped. A new trial will restart

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Speaker 1: Friday Monday, and I have a funny feeling that lawyer

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Speaker 1: is going to have a very different wardrobe. We'll have

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Speaker 1: a lot more on that in the next few days.

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Speaker 1: That's such an important case. Finally, a little news on

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Speaker 1: the accountability front when it comes to the weaponization of government.

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Speaker 2: We're long waiting for real justice.

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Speaker 1: There are signs that the federal prosecutors in Miami, who

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Speaker 1: on the former CIA director John Brennan.

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Speaker 2: At John Brennan's lawyers acknowledged he.

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Speaker 1: Got some subpoenas and thinks he's a target of the investigation.

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Speaker 1: But in the last few days, just the News has

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Speaker 1: confirmed that the prosecutors in Florida working for the Miami

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Speaker 1: US Attorney's Office have sent a secret request to the Senate.

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Speaker 1: It's rare, this happens very seldom, asking for Congress to

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Speaker 1: turn over evidence it has about an Executive.

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Speaker 2: Branch official, that official, John Brennan.

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Speaker 1: What they're looking for are the testimonies that John Brennan

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Speaker 1: reasons to look for. The first is John Brennan's been

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Speaker 1: of lawyers about it. This is one of the clearest cases.

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Speaker 1: Asking the Senate for almost decade old testimony means that

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Speaker 1: be over at justinnews dot com. But you got it

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Speaker 1: first here because of your loyalty. Hear the room, America's

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Speaker 1: voice and justin News. All right, our first guest today

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Speaker 1: is pretty special.

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Speaker 2: He's trending even though he's in Congress.

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Speaker 1: He's trending on x right now for alongside of some

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Speaker 1: pretty darn and good looking dogs. And the answer to

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Speaker 1: how that all happened is tied up in an amazing yarn.

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Speaker 1: He is a great congressman for the state of Florida.

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Speaker 1: Brandy Fine, Congressman. Good to have you on the show today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to get to your remarkable trending

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Speaker 1: A very clear red line drawn in the sand tonight

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Speaker 1: by President Trump.

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Speaker 2: Iron has fifteen days. He's not going to wait six.

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Speaker 1: Months and let them do their normal ropodope of negotiation.

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Speaker 1: How insignificant is it that we have a deadline to

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's very significant. Look, Donald Trump doesn't

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Speaker 3: is clear that Iran cannot have two things. They cannot

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Speaker 3: And Donald Trump's given them fifteen days. They're either going

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Speaker 3: And if the world has learned something over the last year,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of hardware in the Middle East right now,

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Speaker 1: capabilities are all there for the president. One thing that

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Speaker 1: I've heard some people talking about is that you could

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Speaker 1: Is that a potential step in between a direct attack

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly an option that the President has, and again

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Speaker 3: I trust his judgment, but we have clamped down on

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Speaker 3: Could we tighten things even more, I'm sure that we could,

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Speaker 1: Important, and I think the American people want to see

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Speaker 1: Our BAF is not with the Iranian people, it's with

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Speaker 1: When you look out over the horizon, the work that

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Look, there are three real threats in the world

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Speaker 3: But Iran is the one that is most kinetically active

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Speaker 3: And if we simply allowed the Iranian people to have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and while the ominous potential consequences for Iran are

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Speaker 1: on one hand, there's a carrot, and just across the

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Speaker 1: long time. Is that the carrot that when Iran looks

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Speaker 1: me because they like that deal better.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that it's a carrot for Iran

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Speaker 3: because Iran has not been destroyed in the same way

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Speaker 3: so were they willing to give up the crazy Islamic

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Speaker 3: and just become a normal friend of the world. I

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Speaker 3: So this is one of those instances where a relatively

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Speaker 3: And if Donald Trump can get that problem fixed, everybody wins,

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Speaker 3: Right, not in any way. I don't know how you

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Speaker 3: And that's the difference is you are allowed to practice

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Speaker 1: I've been telling you about cases to watch that are

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Speaker 2: Mession, Welcome Back in America.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking on the show for quite some time

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Speaker 1: that one of the Democratic strategies for electioneering in America

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Speaker 5: I'm excited about this lawsuit and excited about winning Missouri's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is historic.

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Speaker 1: And you take this case alongside of what Louisiana is

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Speaker 5: You know, that's such a great question, and when you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a place that doesn't have sanctuary cities or a

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Speaker 2: It's remarkable. I want to turn to some other great

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Speaker 1: The first is obviously your predecessor, Andrew billy Now at

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Speaker 5: won the case and now we have a twenty three

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Speaker 5: billion dollar judgment that we're seeking to enforce by seizing

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Speaker 5: assets belonging to the Chinese.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, this is a big.

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Speaker 5: International suit, and China suit us back for fifty billion

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Speaker 5: in Wuhan Province. And we've actually been in contact with

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Speaker 5: the administration because we want to make sure that we're

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Speaker 5: doing everything right and it doesn't hurt anyone else anywhere

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Speaker 5: in the country. And we've actually learned that our lawsuit

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Speaker 5: and Mississippi has a similar one. Have been important pieces

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Speaker 5: of leverage in discussions with China over trade talks, and

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Speaker 5: we're hopeful that we can get a settlement that's wrapped

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Speaker 5: into perhaps something that means more exports for the United States,

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Speaker 5: particularly of agricultural products. So it's a big, big win

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Speaker 5: for the United States and for the state of Missouri.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not too worried. Let's just put this way.

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Speaker 5: I'm never going to China, so I'm not too worried

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Speaker 5: about it. They have to put it from bots after

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Speaker 5: me and tried to damage my online reputation, but the

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Speaker 5: real lives of Missouri has mattered to me a lot

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Speaker 5: more than my online reputation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great way of that's a great way

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Speaker 1: of brushing that off.

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Speaker 2: That's the way it should be.

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Speaker 1: So this has a potential leverage tool in whatever the

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Speaker 1: tariff and trade deal between China and Missouri can play

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Speaker 1: a part in that, and then your citizens can benefit

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Speaker 1: from that final settlement. I have a novel approach of

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Speaker 1: how this will ultimately end up. You feel good that

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration can get the right deal for Missouri.

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Speaker 5: And I want to get it done during the Trump administration.

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Speaker 5: I think that's going to be the key to doing

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Speaker 5: it right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an important I'm going to be keeping a coas.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the most every time we write about

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Speaker 1: that case is one of the most popular things undersite.

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Speaker 2: People really really care about it.

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Speaker 1: Another place where you're winning that is the protection of

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Speaker 1: our young children in this country. And Missouri passed a

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Speaker 1: law banning sex change procedures for minors. It got challenged,

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Speaker 1: and you just wanted the Missouri Supreme Court. Huge, huge

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Speaker 1: victory for the children of Missouri and probably a model

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the country.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about that a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So our General Assembly did a great thing. They

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Speaker 5: banned any future gender reassignment therapy surgery for minors, and

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Speaker 5: it did get challenged all the way to the Missouri

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court. We won that case and so hopefully no

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Speaker 5: child will ever be so ejected to that kind of

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Speaker 5: mistreatment again.

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Speaker 4: And I'll mention one other thing.

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Speaker 5: We also put out a regulation requiring that people confirm

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Speaker 5: their age when going on pornographic sites, and the first

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Speaker 5: thing that happened was Pornhub pulled completely out of Missouri.

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Speaker 5: So when you stand up and fight for kids, and

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Speaker 5: do it aggressively, good things happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people say in Missouri's not only

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Speaker 1: the show me stated, it's to show me how to

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Speaker 1: do the right things state. You guys are leading the

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Speaker 1: way for so many states to exercise their rights, even

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Speaker 1: when the federal government was a little adrift.

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Speaker 2: Under Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to where we started the conversation,

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Speaker 1: and that is with the census lawsuit in the Louisiana

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Speaker 1: reapportionment and the possibility that racial jerry manderin will be

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Speaker 1: ended by the Supreme Court. If you were to prevail

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Speaker 1: in the census, does it have any effect before twenty thirty?

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Speaker 1: Could you begin to challenge see if you got a

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Speaker 1: favorable really, could you challenge in the twenty eight and

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Speaker 1: thirty elections?

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Speaker 2: Or do you have to wait to the new sense?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: So, I mean we have asked for relief that would

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Speaker 5: go back and recalibrate the apportionment of congressional seats, electoral votes,

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Speaker 5: and federal money for twenty eight and thirty.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if we'll win on that.

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Speaker 5: That will be difficult because the other census data will

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Speaker 5: be ten years old and there will have been shifts

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Speaker 5: around the country. But if we win and Louisiana wins,

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Speaker 5: this is going to be a decade long impact on

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Speaker 5: elections in this country. It will have an impact on

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Speaker 5: who controls Congress and who wins the presidency. We just

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Speaker 5: from our lawsuit alone, project that somewhere between eleven and

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Speaker 5: fourteen congressional seats will move from places like New York

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Speaker 5: and California to places like Missouri, Tennessee, and Georgia. This

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Speaker 5: is a This is a case that really could last

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Speaker 5: for a couple of generations, and when you combine that

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Speaker 5: with Louisiana, it can make all the difference in who's

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Speaker 5: run in this country.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 1: Is there any potential that the Trump administration, since you're

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Speaker 1: suing the US government Census Bureau, that they settle rather

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Speaker 1: than leave it to the judges to decide this Well, I.

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Speaker 5: Think that the Trump administration is smart enough to understand

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Speaker 5: that their settlement might be reversed by a future administration.

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Speaker 5: I think they might be sort of a friendly adversary that.

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Speaker 4: Goes with us all the way to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 5: But if we could find some way to make that

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Speaker 5: settlement binding, obviously we'd take the settlement.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if not, the best way to make a

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Speaker 1: bonding is make sure the nine justices get it. That's

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Speaker 1: always the best way, Attorney General Kaplin. Anyway, you are

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Speaker 1: joining us.

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Speaker 4: John, Thank you so much. Really appreciate the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: almost two years now. How much fraud goes on a

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Speaker 1: The numbers are pretty astounding. Our next guest has put

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Speaker 6: John, it's great to be an again. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: All Right, you've done Yeah, Yeah, Listen, this is an

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Speaker 1: important conversation. The only way we're ever going to fix

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Speaker 1: the front line of so much of the most valuable

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Speaker 1: information on this. You've got a pretty stunning number of

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Speaker 1: what's just lost to fraud in the ear.

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Speaker 6: Tell us what you found, Yeah, John, Look, I think

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Speaker 6: the reason, the reason I am hopeful, is that you

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Speaker 6: can't have accountability without visibility, and so it's vital that

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Speaker 6: we have transparency in our government. So that's what Open

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Speaker 6: So what we found in those latest studies we looked

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Speaker 6: at something called improper payments. Now, improper payments it's bigger

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Speaker 6: than fraud. It's really an improper payment is a payment

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Speaker 6: that shouldn't be made either as an overpayment, right payment,

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Speaker 6: are the wrong person, And a lot of it is fraud.

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Speaker 6: And the biggest defender actually is CMS, which we see

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Speaker 6: a trend in that's the Center for Medicaid and mediker Services.

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Speaker 6: We see that all over the country, particularly in states

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Speaker 6: like you know, Minnesota and California. But John, the number

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Speaker 6: is really astonishing. So we really just kind of burn

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Speaker 6: and throw away about one hundred and eighty six billion

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Speaker 6: dollars a year just on improper payments. And the Trump

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Speaker 6: administration has made that number somewhat better. It really peaked

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Speaker 6: during COVID, where you had in some years three hundred

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Speaker 6: million dollars or i'm sorry billion or more just in

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Speaker 6: improper payments. And to put that in perspective, we're talking about,

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Speaker 6: you know, fourteen hundred dollars per household up to two

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Speaker 6: thousand dollars per household during the COVID year. Just in

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Speaker 6: other words, the average household is financing two thousand dollars

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Speaker 6: or fourteen hundred just on improper payments. And that's that's

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Speaker 6: really an astonishing number. And the reason if we step

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Speaker 6: back and really think about it, The reason this is happening, John,

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Speaker 6: is that we have a federal government that is too

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Speaker 6: big to succeed. We are entrusting way too much authority,

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Speaker 6: way too much power in a centralized federal government, when

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Speaker 6: we should be devolving a lot of that power to

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Speaker 6: the have an op ed. It just came out today

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Speaker 6: with David Walker, who's a comptroller general. He's an independent,

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Speaker 6: and you know, he and I agree that, you know,

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Speaker 6: one of the things we need to do is have

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Speaker 6: a twenty first century federalism approach and really rethink how

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Speaker 6: we structure and organize the federal government, because that's really

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Speaker 6: why we have these eye poppy numbers and we have

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Speaker 6: these just nauseating cases of fraud that we see all

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Speaker 6: over the country in states like Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: If you can afford to lose one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 1: six billion dollars a year and not whine about it,

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Speaker 1: you must be too big because you're not noticing that

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Speaker 1: level of money, and it's just crazy. We had David

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Speaker 1: Walker on in December. We'd spent a whole show on

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Speaker 1: fraud prevention. He had this really great approach to what

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Speaker 1: that twenty first century federalism looks like and it had

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Speaker 1: some pretty easy things that have been on the table

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Speaker 1: for years that no one gets done. Things like just

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Speaker 1: make sure every federal agency checks the death database before

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Speaker 1: they send out a payment, make sure that everybody checks

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Speaker 1: that the contractors are still valid. Lots of things that

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Speaker 1: would catch improper payments going out. Why is it that

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Speaker 1: Republicans who say they're the fiscal conservatives haven't implemented these things.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Congress hasn't done anything. The Doge thing came

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Speaker 1: and went with no real measurable impact.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they did do some things. I wish

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Speaker 6: they would have done a lot more. But there has

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Speaker 6: been progress made on get really attacking the improper payments issue.

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Speaker 6: You know, Senator Ernst, Senator Kennedy have done really good

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Speaker 6: work to really slow and stop the payments are good

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Speaker 6: to dead people, for instance. But you're right that not

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Speaker 6: enough has been done. Because the truth, John, is that

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Speaker 6: what happens in Congress is everybody wants to be kind

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Speaker 6: of a TikTok star, wants to be in the media,

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Speaker 6: and this is the nitty gritty, difficult work that it

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Speaker 6: really takes a lot of attention to detail to get

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Speaker 6: it done right. And I describe it. It's kind of

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Speaker 6: like what politicians want to do is they don't want

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Speaker 6: to pull weeds. They want to mow the flower bed

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Speaker 6: and claim credit for cutting spending. But actually doing it

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Speaker 6: is very, very difficult. Is you know, as my old boss,

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Speaker 6: Senator Coburn modeled, we cut spending very effectively during that era.

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Speaker 6: And look, I think the reason it's so important to

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Speaker 6: talk about this is this is a common sense, no

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Speaker 6: brainer reform. I don't think there's a single person in

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Speaker 6: the country that wants to see a dollar wasted on

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Speaker 6: an improper payment. And I don't care if you're a

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Speaker 6: Republican or Democrat or what ideology you have. No one

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Speaker 6: wants to see their money just you know, go up

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Speaker 6: in flames through improper payments. And so I think there

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Speaker 6: really ought to be a much more serious focus on

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Speaker 6: both sides of the aisle to get to get Congress

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Speaker 6: as arms wrapped around this problem. But again, to do that, John,

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Speaker 6: I think it really takes a comprehensive look at the

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Speaker 6: massive size and scope of the administrative state. We have

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Speaker 6: over four hundred agencies and subagencies when the Constitution really

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Speaker 6: only said that we should have four or five at

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Speaker 6: the most and that's the conversation that we need to

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Speaker 6: have as a country, is to figure out what do

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Speaker 6: we want the federal government to do and what should

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Speaker 6: the state governments do? And I think, I think if

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Speaker 6: we trust people of common sense, they'll they'll make the

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Speaker 6: right decision. And we just need a lot more common

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Speaker 6: sense in Washington than we see right now, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: When I first came to town, there was an old

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin senator by the name of Bill proxmoy I used

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Speaker 1: to do the Golden Fleece a board, and he said

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Speaker 1: that one of the greatest challenges that politicians face is

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Speaker 1: that they love to cut other people's money, but not

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Speaker 1: in my backyard. You had a good example of this recently.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of members of Congress that have

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Speaker 1: been upset about wasteful spending in colleges, but when it

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Speaker 1: comes to their own almal monitors, they like setting up

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Speaker 1: some more money for them, don't.

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Speaker 2: They they do.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we put a report off that showed that, you know,

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Speaker 6: Congress has spent we call it, we call it the

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Speaker 6: Department of me where senators are sending you know, over

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Speaker 6: six hundred million dollars just on your marks to their

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Speaker 6: alma maters and senator, senator and McConnell, he was one

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Speaker 6: of the worst defenders. But there's a lot on both

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Speaker 6: sides of the aisle that have really, i think, really

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Speaker 6: misused their position to direct this money. And look, you know,

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Speaker 6: back in you know, when we were fighting earmarks in

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Speaker 6: the Senate, the argument we would make is, look, the

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Speaker 6: effective senator or representative is not the one who sends

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Speaker 6: money back to the district. The effect of representative or

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Speaker 6: senator is the one that prevents money from leaving the district.

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Speaker 6: And that instead of celebrating ribbon cutting ceremonies hosted by politicians,

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Speaker 6: we should understand that every dollar saves in Washington is

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Speaker 6: a dream realized somewhere else in America, and instead focus

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Speaker 6: on expanding opportunity to give people the right to do

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Speaker 6: ribbon cutting ceremonies in their own personal life. You know,

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Speaker 6: to have the first first child, the first job, Those

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Speaker 6: are the those are the moments that matter in life

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Speaker 6: way more than some earmark to an alma mater. And

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Speaker 6: every every dollar we spend on these earmarks to me

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Speaker 6: or or senators are or it's a dollar that's not

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Speaker 6: available to help a family pursue their dream and their ambitions.

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Speaker 1: Every one of us are empowered to do some work

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Speaker 1: on this. That's what you created with Open the Books

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Speaker 1: dot com. It's such an extraordinary thing, John Hart. Great

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Speaker 1: to have you on the show every day. Thank you again,

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Speaker 1: my friend.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Ton, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, folks, Coming up next, we'll take a

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Speaker 1: quick look at what's being done to end the influence

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Speaker 1: of DEI and gender ideology and medicine. It's a game

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Speaker 1: of whacka mole, it really is. We're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: great conversation with Christine Rasmusen right after these message Welcome

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Speaker 1: back in America. We spent a lot of time chronicling

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Speaker 1: the impact, the negative impact that DEI has had in

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Speaker 1: our education system and our government, in our ideology and culture,

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Speaker 1: and also in our medicine. Yes, there were places in

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Speaker 1: this country where race was being used as a determinant

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Speaker 1: about whether you would get the right care or not.

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Speaker 1: That sounds insane. That's what DEI meant in the medicine world.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now to bring us up to date on

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Speaker 1: all the efforts to eradicate that mindset and the game

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Speaker 1: of whacka mole. It sometimes Evolves is the executive director

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Speaker 1: of Do No Harm. Christina rest Mes. Christina, great to

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Speaker 1: have you back on.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: All right, before we get into all the great work

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Speaker 1: and the updates, I don't think from people who haven't

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Speaker 1: heard of douno Harm.

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Speaker 2: You have such a powerful alliance.

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Speaker 1: With the medical community. Talk a little bit about who

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Speaker 1: you are and who's part of you.

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Speaker 8: So Do No Harm is an organization that is focused

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Speaker 8: on keeping identity politics away from the study and practice

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Speaker 8: of medicine. If there's one thing that everyone can agree

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Speaker 8: on is that when we walk into the emergency room,

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Speaker 8: we don't really care what our doctor looks like. We

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Speaker 8: just want someone who knows what they're doing, who can

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Speaker 8: help us and our family.

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Speaker 7: Members feel better.

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Speaker 8: Unfortunately, identity politics were seeping into medical schools as much

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Speaker 8: as they were undergraduate schools across the board. But don

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Speaker 8: Harm has had a lot of success, thanks in parts

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Speaker 8: to our fifty thousand members in beating back some of

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Speaker 8: these really dangerous trends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so important stuff. You've had an enormous amount

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Speaker 1: of back. All right, So a lot of places that

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Speaker 1: say all right, we're done with it. We got the message,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to tangle the dump administration. But then

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Speaker 1: they just kind of rebranded. It seems more like a

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Speaker 1: marketing exercise right now than a true effort to get

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Speaker 1: rid of DEI. Tell us some of the frustration or

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Speaker 1: the rebranding that's gone on.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So we saw essentially medical schools across America wholeheartedly

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Speaker 8: embrace DEI during the Biden years. The Trump administration comes

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Speaker 8: in and says, no more, no more of this, shut

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Speaker 8: it down, otherwise you're going to lose funding.

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Speaker 7: Some schools did comply.

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Speaker 8: Some schools decided to get creative with the white out

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Speaker 8: and just rebrand.

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Speaker 7: Their DEI departments where they.

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Speaker 8: Have the same people with the same titles doing the

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Speaker 8: same gosh darn thing. But that's why Duna harm is here,

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Speaker 8: because we have tips that come in from across the

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Speaker 8: country at our website Dohrmmedicine dot org, and they'll say, Hey,

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Speaker 8: my school is still doing it.

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Speaker 7: I thought we were supposed to stop it.

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Speaker 8: Please help, and we can get in there and shine

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Speaker 8: a light on it. And so you know, our attitude

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Speaker 8: is leave stone unturned. We're going to stop it wherever

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Speaker 8: it is, because when lives are on the line, you

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Speaker 8: cannot afford to prioritize anything other than merit.

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Speaker 7: That is the only thing that should matter in medicine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and see hypocritic owth do no harm. Maybe that

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Speaker 1: was the thing we're not supposed to inject. Ideology is

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Speaker 1: supposed to deal to the medicine. Your name is so powerful,

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Speaker 1: your work is so powerful, And I think in the

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Speaker 1: last couple of months there have been some lasting changes,

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Speaker 1: the Plastic Surgeons Association and then the AMA both coming

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Speaker 1: out saying, you know what, we were for this for

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Speaker 1: a long time, but it's probably time to stop transgender

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Speaker 1: surgeries on minors. That was a major u turn one.

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Speaker 1: Isn't for real in your mind? And if it is,

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Speaker 1: how impactful is it?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I think the tide really is turning on this one,

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Speaker 8: particularly when it comes to kids. You know, a couple

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Speaker 8: of years ago, when we decided to take on this issue,

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Speaker 8: everyone felt they had to give lip service to this

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Speaker 8: idea of medicalizing kids who felt gender distress. Now you

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Speaker 8: see more and more doctors and nurses standing up and saying, hey,

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Speaker 8: you know what, there's no evidence for this. It doesn't

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Speaker 8: seem to lead to good outcomes. These kids are irreversibly changed.

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Speaker 8: They have lifelong consequences. They can't consent to this. You know,

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Speaker 8: maybe we should show a little caution, do no harm

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Speaker 8: and help these children, but not with these irreversible surgeries.

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Speaker 8: So it seems like this combined with the Trump administration

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Speaker 8: going full court press. Every day we see gender clinics

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Speaker 8: turning off, saying, hey, we're not doing this anymore. We're

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Speaker 8: going to shut down. It's just not worth it. The

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Speaker 8: Trump administration has really gone hard within the Medicare and

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Speaker 8: Medicaid systems, government healthcare programs that pay for a lot

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Speaker 8: of hospitals, saying you're not going to get reimbursed for

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Speaker 8: these procedures anymore, and if you do them at all,

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Speaker 8: we might kick you out the entire Medicare Medicaid program.

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Speaker 7: So I think the writing is on the wall. More

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Speaker 7: doctors are speaking up.

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Speaker 8: And they're unafraid to say, hey, I've got reservations.

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Speaker 7: We seem to be going down the wrong path. Let's

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Speaker 7: rethink this.

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Speaker 1: One of the things we've learned about the twenty first

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Speaker 1: century medical profession is that there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: scientific proclamations that ended up not having any science behind it.

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Speaker 1: Six foot distance between us during COVID, Anthony Fauci Midt,

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Speaker 1: it didn't have any science behind it. Other mitigation circumstances,

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Speaker 1: lockdowns clearly actually had more negative than positive effect. But

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Speaker 1: in the transgender movement, recently the ACLU, which was arguing

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Speaker 1: in the case for protecting these procedures from minus letting

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Speaker 1: them to continue on our children, had to admit that

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Speaker 1: there was no evidence behind their claim that transgender surgeries

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Speaker 1: were actually saving lives or ending the suicide or lowering

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Speaker 1: the suicide capacity of gender confused children. That was a

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Speaker 1: pretty significant moment in what you normally is a technical

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Speaker 1: legal argument, another sign of a proclamation by the medical

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Speaker 1: community that didn't have any science behind it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and honestly Europe figured this out before even we did.

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Speaker 8: A lot of the European countries were very early on

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Speaker 8: saying hold up here, as tolerant is the next person,

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Speaker 8: but something is really off here, and so we're playing ketchup.

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Speaker 7: But you know who else is playing at ketchup the

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Speaker 7: trial lawyers.

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Speaker 8: There was recently a major medical mid male decision in

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Speaker 8: favor of a person who went through the surgeries as

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Speaker 8: a teenager, saying I could never have consented to this.

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Speaker 8: I was bullied into this, and you know, when the

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Speaker 8: trial lawyers smell money, it's game up, right, And so

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Speaker 8: we're going to see more detransitioners coming forward because they're

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Speaker 8: still hurting, they're still in pain, and in a lot

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Speaker 8: of cases, parents were bullied into this and signing up

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Speaker 8: for this.

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Speaker 7: And so I really do.

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Speaker 8: Think both culturally legally politically, the tide is changing here

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Speaker 8: and that is good news. And it goes to show that,

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Speaker 8: you know, if you have a little courage and speak up,

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Speaker 8: you can make a world of difference and really save lives.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's true, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: It's been proven in the last few years, including the

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Speaker 1: great work that your group does. You're seeing it before

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, folks, I want to get back to

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Speaker 1: the top of the show with the headline we had

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Speaker 1: ex Prince Andrew, the younger brother of King Charles the thirty,

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Speaker 1: has been released from custody, but he's in a heap

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Speaker 1: of legal trouble connected for the fen Our scandal and

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Speaker 1: specifically the documents of Justice Department released the last wee

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Speaker 1: weeks where you get more details on that.

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Speaker 2: Next right after these messages Welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: The shame of the Epstein documents, those that were put

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Speaker 1: out by the Justice Department over the last couple of months,

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Speaker 1: beginning to move from shame to accountability. The biggest example

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Speaker 1: today in Great Britain, where the former Prince Andrew was

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Speaker 1: arrested at his home and authorities now acknowledging that they're

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Speaker 1: looking at him for possible corrupt as when he was

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Speaker 1: working as a diplomat as a trade rep in his

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Speaker 1: royal capacity, he was apparently passing along secret information to

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Speaker 1: friends like Jeffrey Epstein. That's how they got him kind

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Speaker 1: of like al Capone was gotten by taxes, not mobster stuff.

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Speaker 1: When they ultimately got him joining right now, joining us

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Speaker 1: right now to bring us up to speed, US cur

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Speaker 1: law enforcement analysts and retire LPED officer ERF halliby erf

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Speaker 1: Great to have you.

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Speaker 9: On, Great to have you Great to be here, thanks, Sean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pretty significant moment. It's kind of a

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Speaker 1: unique investigation. They don't get him on the sex trafficking

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Speaker 1: or the gory stuff that has long dogged him. They

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Speaker 1: get him on being so friendly to his Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 1: that he was sending him things he shouldn't from his

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Speaker 1: government job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I will bet that they with the deep dive will

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Speaker 9: find even more information that he was passing on. You

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Speaker 9: don't just do something like this once, especially to curry

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Speaker 9: favor or if there was the blackmail story of some

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Speaker 9: of the hiding of his behavior. In addition to all

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Speaker 9: of that, I think a lot of folks are going

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Speaker 9: to look past some of the sexual abuse because a

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Speaker 9: lot of the victims, except for Mischief Frey, a lot

928
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Speaker 9: of the victims are afraid to come up and name

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Speaker 9: their accuser. I want that to happen a lot of

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Speaker 9: them you see on TV and they hold this against

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Speaker 9: President Trump or Pambondi and say, why aren't they doing something,

932
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Speaker 9: you know, make these names public. They can make these

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Speaker 9: names public. There's nothing there's no hold harmless agreement, there's

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Speaker 9: no NDA that they have to adhere to now. So

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Speaker 9: I think they should come out and name names and

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Speaker 9: just be prepared to back it up with any kind

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Speaker 9: of documents. But Prince Andrew's in a world of hurt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty remarkable moment and more I assume to be had.

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Speaker 1: This is a potential model for people here who are

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Speaker 1: frustrated that we didn't get the sort of justice that

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Speaker 1: should have happened, maybe back in the Bush Justice Department

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Speaker 1: when they first caught Epstein and then gave him a

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Speaker 1: non prosecution agreement. But there are other things in these

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Speaker 1: documents that might be criminal that are still inside the statue,

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Speaker 1: even if they're not gutting for the sexcapades. You think

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Speaker 1: that might happen hidden here in America a little bit too.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there's some statute of limitations issues on

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Speaker 9: some things, but I do think that it's definitely the

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Speaker 9: will of the people, and behind the scenes there's a

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Speaker 9: lot of digging deep. Look, the Democrat Party is the

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Speaker 9: one that has the most to lose. It's funny they've

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Speaker 9: been the ones to push push, let's release it, but

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Speaker 9: only under President Trump. Except President Trump was the one

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Speaker 9: that removed Jeffrey Epstein and referred him to prosecution for

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Speaker 9: prosecution away from from his Mara lago. You don't see

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Speaker 9: this with Bill Clinton. What is it more than a

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Speaker 9: dozen times even close to two dozen times Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 9: visited the White House. That's disgusting and the behavior of

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Speaker 9: President Clinton. Maybe he should be one that's also brought

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Speaker 9: to justice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and soon to be brought before Congress to give

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Speaker 1: a sworn deposition. Going to be interesting to see what

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Speaker 1: comes out of that.

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Speaker 2: Moment.

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Speaker 1: There is a lot of royal family dysfunction right now.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the soon to be king, Prince William doesn't have

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Speaker 1: much fondness for Andrew. But Andrew's former wife, Sarah Ferguson,

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Speaker 1: she hasn't heard or seen from recently.

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Speaker 2: What do we know about that?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, she's been on the run now they'll say, no,

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Speaker 9: not on the run, just in hiding. But their two

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Speaker 9: daughters are also I think victims in this story. And

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Speaker 9: to think about Prince Andrew doing things to those young

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Speaker 9: women at the same age that his daughters were at

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Speaker 9: the time are pretty darn close. It's pretty the alleged

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Speaker 9: issues anyway, pretty disgusting to think about. Friggie is on

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Speaker 9: the run some we'll say, some will say she's in

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Speaker 9: the last scene in the United Arab Emirates. Some talk,

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Speaker 9: and it's a bit more than just gossip and tabloid

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Speaker 9: and that is that Prince Andrew might flee the country.

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Speaker 9: They should have removed his passport. That's normally what you

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Speaker 9: would do, and they would well, at least in some

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Speaker 9: cases keep him away from the airports. But there's talk

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Speaker 9: he might flee the United Arab Emirates or China, both

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Speaker 9: without any extradition to Great Britain.

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Speaker 1: Extraordinary, Eric Allaby, great to have you on and have

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Speaker 1: your expertise. A lot of fun things that'll be looking

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Speaker 1: forward in the near future. We're going to get some

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Speaker 1: more news, I'm sure on this every day. Great to

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Speaker 1: have you on the show. Thanks for joining us. Thanks

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Speaker 1: John be Well, Yeah, thank you. Been a great conversation.

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Speaker 1: All Right, folks, that's all the time we got for

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Speaker 1: you today. Be sure to check out justinnews dot com.

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Speaker 1: In the morning, we're going to have that John Brennan scoop.

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Speaker 1: What we told you about the Senate and the signs

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Speaker 1: that they're zeroing in.

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Speaker 2: On the pharmacy II Director. I'm tell that have a

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Speaker 2: great night.

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Speaker 1: We're going to hand you out for the amazing Prince

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Speaker 1: Stanchwell you a good hand for the next out