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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a He's got a lot of days, a
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Speaker 3: What is?
Speaker 2: Why are people so? I mean there? I was not
Speaker 2: an English major or a literary person. I just was
Speaker 2: subjected to reading James Joyce in my academic career.
Speaker 1: Man, those first twenty pages go hard. I've not been
Speaker 1: it so hard. I have not been able to make
Speaker 1: it through the rest. But it's like the Gravity's rainbow.
Speaker 1: It's like one of these lifetimes, I'll get through them.
Speaker 1: I made it one hundred and fifteen pages inunder Gravity's
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Speaker 2: I was like so impressed. Oh wow. Yeah. I basically
Speaker 2: my eyes rolled in the back of my head when
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Speaker 1: Yeah, ulysses, the opening is incredible.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I haven't read let it, but
Speaker 2: I just heard it's really good.
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Speaker 1: We were thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 1: by one of the very favorite guests on TDZ, a
Speaker 1: poet a podcaster you can hear on the American Hysteria
Speaker 1: podcast exploring the fantastical thinking and irrational fears of Americans.
Speaker 1: No that can't be right, not Americans through the lens
Speaker 1: of moral panics, urban legends, conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: Much else.
Speaker 1: Please welcome the brilliant, the talented Chelsea Webers.
Speaker 2: Hello, as always, is it Weeper or Weber?
Speaker 4: It's Weber.
Speaker 2: First, I did make sure. I had to make sure.
Speaker 4: It's actually Debber.
Speaker 1: Oh Baber Chris Weberber. I went through and on all documents.
Speaker 1: I did a global search of my computer, every document
Speaker 1: on my computer and changed it so to make sure
Speaker 1: it said web like Chris web three point zero.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate that all listen to Chelsea.
Speaker 2: List has been too long.
Speaker 4: It's been too long.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: Well, as I told you guys, we've been working on Well,
Speaker 4: we'd actually just finished a Jackass series and that was
Speaker 4: a lot of fun, and I feel like that's up
Speaker 4: your alley. Did you guys read Big Brother magazine growing up?
Speaker 2: Did? I did? And I also made stupid shopping part
Speaker 2: like prank videos at the at the local grocery stores
Speaker 2: with my friends, and yeah, I was. I was. I
Speaker 2: was like at the perfect age when Jackass came out
Speaker 2: and it basically destroyed half of my body.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing the Jackass videos and they were video
Speaker 1: like vhs is being traded people like my friend in Chicago.
Speaker 1: I went visit a friend in Chicago, like in high school,
Speaker 1: and he showed me them and.
Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck is this? This is crazy?
Speaker 4: I remember that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Ok, or what dude remember that one? Yeah? He
Speaker 2: beats up all those dudes outside the seven eleven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Mike Vallli. I mean I think that's his name. Yeah,
Speaker 2: part we were like, yo, dude, he legit beat these
Speaker 2: dudes up.
Speaker 1: I think the things the sketch I remember is someone
Speaker 1: was just carrying like ordered all the McDonald's, was carrying
Speaker 1: it on a tray and then just did like a
Speaker 1: spectacular fall like that.
Speaker 2: It just went everywhere.
Speaker 4: I feel like, yeah, genius, genius.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was willing to rab himself. Chris Rab.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh man Slewsbury super for Kiki, one
Speaker 2: of my favorites.
Speaker 4: And he hates Mustard and that's his big thing is
Speaker 4: he's whenever Mustard gets by him. Is that not? Is
Speaker 4: that that's like, oh right, that's your yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: Like he had the crazy big hair yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 5: like the Viking status, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Now I'm like I have to go back and what
Speaker 2: you do.
Speaker 4: You do I think you'd like this episode. You should
Speaker 4: listen to it. It's very much about how gay Jackass
Speaker 4: was too, and how much of a revolution it was
Speaker 4: at the time to just have dudes hanging out the
Speaker 4: way they were and not you know, being afraid again.
Speaker 4: Even though it was a joke, it was like a
Speaker 4: big change from like the.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, let me put a firework up your asshole.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like yes, somo, yeah exactly. But the other thing
Speaker 4: I wanted to share with you all is, uh, we've
Speaker 4: been doing a new thing on our show called the
Speaker 4: Urban Legends Hotline, and people can call in and record
Speaker 4: stories from their childhood and then we'll like deep just
Speaker 4: do whatever research we decide. And the one we're working
Speaker 4: on right now is about this place called Pig Hill
Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania, and it's about a group of cannibal pig
Speaker 4: people that eat teenagers on a lover's lane up there,
Speaker 4: like an inbred family, right, kind of a classic legend.
Speaker 2: And so what do you say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, But we've been like getting really into the
Speaker 4: pig part of it, you know, like why are they
Speaker 4: specifically pig people? And I was able to dig up
Speaker 4: the very first trial that was based on a false
Speaker 4: confession in American history that ended in an execution, and
Speaker 4: it was actually about a man accused of best reality.
Speaker 4: He was like an indentured servant and he was accused
Speaker 4: of it because the pig gave birth to a piglet
Speaker 4: that was deformed and looked like the man who was
Speaker 4: a servant, and so yeah, they tried him and hanged
Speaker 4: him for a pig paternity test and that was, uh yeah,
Speaker 4: that's that's the very first false confession as well, because
Speaker 4: they basically badgered him into confessing and he thought, okay,
Speaker 4: you know, based on other trials I've seen, if I say,
Speaker 4: if I repent to God and say yes I did
Speaker 4: this and I'm sorry, I'll get off. But then they
Speaker 4: were like no, we're going to hang you anyway. And
Speaker 4: then he's like, okay, well I really didn't do this,
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, and then there was a big best
Speaker 4: reality panic and it ended up meaning that women were
Speaker 4: the ones milking the cows always because men were literally
Speaker 4: not allowed in barns unless they had a chaperone.
Speaker 2: Wait, so like a milk maid is is we have
Speaker 2: that because motherfuckers couldn't keep their hands on They're like,
Speaker 2: that's it well not exactly.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, it was a panic, right, so of course, yes,
Speaker 4: that happened, But it was a panic around specifically like
Speaker 4: servants or like poor people who were you know, accused
Speaker 4: of this crime, often because it was convenient because they
Speaker 4: wanted to try them for something else. But once it
Speaker 4: started to reach like the richer Americans where they were
Speaker 4: getting accused as well, then suspiciously the panic just kind
Speaker 4: of fizzled out. So kind of a classic moral panic.
Speaker 4: But sixteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: We must take note of this. We must the cycle
Speaker 2: of panics and how we can maybe abbreviate them because
Speaker 2: we're in the midst of multiple cycles.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, right, yeah, have you ever looked into is
Speaker 1: America more panicked than other nations or is this just
Speaker 1: a cycle that every country goes through. It feels like
Speaker 1: America is more irrational, right.
Speaker 4: I think it depends. I mean, there are some wild
Speaker 4: moral panics all around the world. It just really I mean,
Speaker 4: I think that that's pretty equal across the board. It's
Speaker 4: just like translated through different religions and cultures. So it's
Speaker 4: like we might look at one panic, like there's a
Speaker 4: panic in different parts of the world where your penis
Speaker 4: is disappearing and you freak out. And that's been like
Speaker 4: even recently, people's penises have been suspiciously disappearing, So.
Speaker 2: You know we might think that.
Speaker 1: Not that I'm worried, but what what is the care
Speaker 1: for that?
Speaker 4: You know, I haven't looked enough?
Speaker 2: You bring it back? To bring it back?
Speaker 4: Well, you know it never leaves.
Speaker 2: So wait, what is that panic? Someone? People are claiming
Speaker 2: their penises have vanished, like yeah, from their body?
Speaker 1: You remember, I remember that's from the cracked days that
Speaker 1: that was from another country.
Speaker 2: That you do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and it goes back to like like I
Speaker 4: just typed in penis Spanish panics, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: They call it turtle penis because the penis like retracts
Speaker 1: into the body.
Speaker 2: Okay, you got it, turtle penis. Panic. Okay, I'll look
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look at.
Speaker 1: Anyways, we could clearly talk about this all day. I
Speaker 1: heard that some bt reality is where Grimace came from.
Speaker 1: Actually in the first place, makes sense. Yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know that.
Speaker 2: You heard it here first.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're going to get to know you a little
Speaker 1: bit better at Chelsea. First, little housekeeping. First of all,
Speaker 1: we're off on Monday for juneteenth, So we are going
Speaker 1: to be doing our weekend catch up episode on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: our expert guest interview on Wednesday, and then you know,
Speaker 1: normal from there on out for next week. But in
Speaker 1: case this is your first episode in a while, we
Speaker 1: are doing a truncated summer schedule, a mere eight.
Speaker 2: Episodes a week.
Speaker 1: One episode at the beginning of the week, one on Friday,
Speaker 1: so this is.
Speaker 2: The last episode of the week. No trending this afternoon. Sorry,
Speaker 2: we're having fun.
Speaker 1: It seems like you guys are having fun listening to
Speaker 1: the new formats and we are loving talking to y'all.
Speaker 1: So keep keep the mail bags coming. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: a handful of you know, listener messages and emails on
Speaker 1: Tuesday's episode, on Wednesday's episode, so talk to you all
Speaker 1: then this episode, though we are talking, we're just gonna
Speaker 1: check in with the Democratic nomination race. We've spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time focusing on the Republicans. What's going on
Speaker 1: with those Democrats, those dang damn thing. Well, RFK Junior
Speaker 1: is getting some momentum, which has a lot of people
Speaker 1: being like, oh no, we should have found somebody else
Speaker 1: to be the opposition to Joe Biden and we might
Speaker 1: have a candidate in Cortnell West.
Speaker 2: We'll see. So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about some moral panics happening thanks to AI,
Speaker 1: talk about some a good grift that Taylor Swift fans
Speaker 1: have going, you know, just all all sorts of madness.
Speaker 2: Flags.
Speaker 1: I think we'll definitely get into flags.
Speaker 2: The Supreme Court doing real real shit. Yes, twice we're
Speaker 2: getting two decisions like in this Man of two Weeks.
Speaker 2: They're setting us up miles. Yeah, yeah, they're just yeah,
Speaker 2: they gotta they gotta put the rock the baby back
Speaker 2: to sleep again before they turn it up on us. Huh.
Speaker 1: But before we get to any of that, Chelsea w
Speaker 1: Weld like to ask our guests, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I like really jumped the gun on
Speaker 4: the intro here because I was gonna do a pig
Speaker 4: paternity trials. So there, yeah, I just throw back to
Speaker 4: the beginning.
Speaker 2: There there you go. How long does it take you?
Speaker 2: What's your process to get because like I love how
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, I have to. I looked up this
Speaker 2: thing and then I found the first case. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 4: What how how great question? It is just just like
Speaker 4: following every thread you possibly can, right right, I'll just
Speaker 4: be like pigs in American history and then just see
Speaker 4: what comes up. And then you know, the nice thing
Speaker 4: about this Urban Legends hotline is I don't have a goal,
Speaker 4: whereas like a lot of other episodes, I like want
Speaker 4: to say something, and in this I just am like,
Speaker 4: let's see, all right, you want pig cannibals. How what
Speaker 4: pigs are there, what cannibals are there? How they get
Speaker 4: mashed together? Let's try to figure out, like if there's
Speaker 4: any truth to this legend. And that's fun. Newspapers dot
Speaker 4: Com too, is like you can dig up anything there.
Speaker 4: I want to like, if newspapers dot Com you're listening,
Speaker 4: please sponsor us because I will give you a passionate ad.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think that's that's a that's a big
Speaker 4: part of it is just trying to get some original
Speaker 4: stuff because that's the most fun when you can dig
Speaker 4: up something that hasn't been talked about very much.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, newspapers dot Com is like Shizam. It's like one
Speaker 1: of three good websites, and it's like follows through on
Speaker 1: the promise of the Internet, Like when they're we're first
Speaker 1: inventing the internet. They're like, you know, it'd be cool
Speaker 1: if just like all the newspapers, Yeah, just like find them.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna call it newspapers dot com? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Actually, wait, how far back does that thing go?
Speaker 4: Seventeen hundreds? Oh shit, Oh it's very cool. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like twenty bucks a month, and it is money
Speaker 4: well spent for our show at least.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, yeah, it's just on the front page
Speaker 1: what people search auto accidents nineteen fifty six Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 1: That's like fucking baby shoes unused, Like.
Speaker 2: That's just right.
Speaker 1: Why are you looking into nineteenth accident?
Speaker 2: Yes? Interesting? What is uh? What's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 4: This is always my hardest part because I always want
Speaker 4: to talk about tech dex and hacky sacks, which is
Speaker 4: what I always bring to your show. But I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if it's exactly overrated, but comparing
Speaker 4: it to my underrated thing is the Queer Ultimatum. Did
Speaker 4: you guys watch it?
Speaker 6: I'm part I'm like almost I'm almost three quarters of
Speaker 6: the way through, right right, So actually I'm just in
Speaker 6: the part where they just swapped and they're like with
Speaker 6: their new boo right now.
Speaker 4: Right exactly. So I think comparing that, did you watch
Speaker 4: are you the one the queer season, I'm oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the MTV one? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I
Speaker 2: saw that.
Speaker 4: See. I didn't even know about it until I was
Speaker 4: somebody else told me about it, and I'm watching this
Speaker 4: and I'm like, Okay, this is an actual queer reality
Speaker 4: show where there is some hint of what it's like
Speaker 4: to actually be queer, and I'm just enjoying it so
Speaker 4: much more. In the premise for people who don't know,
Speaker 4: is that everyone on the show is either bisexual or
Speaker 4: pan sexual or whatever you want to say, and so
Speaker 4: every combination is possible, and uh, I mean, what better
Speaker 4: what better reality show could you come up with? But
Speaker 4: I think we just don't. I hadn't heard even heard
Speaker 4: about it, which is, you know, probably because it's not
Speaker 4: MTV and Netflix just blasted us with, you know, after
Speaker 4: that ad for it that Nick and jessclichheaded after the
Speaker 4: finale of Love Is Blind, when it was just like
Speaker 4: so weirdly offensive because Vanessa just said a bunch of
Speaker 4: shit and then he's the queer one. It was like
Speaker 4: they tried to bait what's his name, I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: remember his name into looking like he was being transphobic.
Speaker 4: And it was really like the person he was with
Speaker 4: was actually acting like calling him soft and calling him
Speaker 4: all these different things that were implying that he was gay.
Speaker 7: You remember this, Oh yeah, Jacquelina, and it is there
Speaker 7: you go.
Speaker 4: And they kind of baited him a little bit into
Speaker 4: seeming transphobic, and it was all very like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: it felt really weird, shitty, And then they were like,
Speaker 4: and now the queer.
Speaker 2: Altim All right, now that we've done that.
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, so I think I don't know, I haven't finished.
Speaker 4: Are you the one?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 4: I don't know if it takes some hard turn into
Speaker 4: some fucked up ship, but for now I think it's
Speaker 4: I think it's so much more fun. That is my underrated.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're underrated is the queer querl tomato the ultimatum?
Speaker 4: No, my underrated is are you the ones?
Speaker 2: Are you the ones?
Speaker 4: I overrated? It's the querldimatum.
Speaker 2: The drama in the Queer Ultimatum is it's wild man,
Speaker 2: it's zat you got to watch this show man. It's
Speaker 2: so is as just like you're in a you know,
Speaker 2: like assist head relationship. I'll just assists had to do it.
Speaker 2: But when I watching, I'm like, wow, man, they go
Speaker 2: zero to hundred real quick on this one too. I
Speaker 2: love it. I love it makes for great reality TV.
Speaker 2: And then are you The one thing really was like
Speaker 2: I watched a lot for whatever reason, I've watched a
Speaker 2: lot of argue. The one but it's always my thing
Speaker 2: was like, man, y'all need to just open this up
Speaker 2: to people who aren't just like it's just guys and
Speaker 2: girls all the time. And it was one of the
Speaker 2: more entertaining seasons. I don't know if I finished it though,
Speaker 2: because I think like something like my free drama.
Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, we know how to do drama,
Speaker 4: and it's it's a lot of fun and you.
Speaker 2: Do it well.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come
Speaker 1: back and talk some news.
Speaker 8: All right, and we're back, and we've spent a little
Speaker 8: bit of time over the past week puzzling.
Speaker 1: Over what the fuck exactly is going to happen in
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four presidential election on the Republican side,
Speaker 1: on the day Democratic side. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people the mainstream Democratic Party was hoping it would just
Speaker 1: be a coronation, a long, one long coronation of Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: But we're starting to see r FK Junior with all
Speaker 1: of in all of his problematic anti science glory pick
Speaker 1: up momentum. Like I'm just hearing people mention. I think
Speaker 1: it's just like a branding thing. It's just he that
Speaker 1: people are like, well, he's the other guy. So we
Speaker 1: like have to listen to intern with Roger Stone too,
Speaker 1: And it's not like no, nobody is saying our FK
Speaker 1: Junior is going to challenge Biden if Biden remains healthy
Speaker 1: and able to run. But that also is such a
Speaker 1: fucking question at this point, Like I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: talking about a Lakers playoff run with Anthony Davis, like
Speaker 1: you know, like a perennially injured player, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just it feels really tenuous.
Speaker 2: Well at this point, I mean just it is what
Speaker 2: I mean, he's gonna run. There's no we don't have
Speaker 2: anything viable in terms of a progressive challenger and the
Speaker 2: Democratic side or the Democrat side. So it's just like
Speaker 2: because of that, RFK Junior is just getting the oxygen,
Speaker 2: because there's really what I mean, Marian Williamson, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, and a few other people, but really
Speaker 2: take off. No, the orb energy is not coming back
Speaker 2: around this time. I don't think we're not getting that
Speaker 2: big arb energy. We didn't was that however, many years ago,
Speaker 2: seven years ago. But yeah, I mean, I think that's
Speaker 2: just kind of what happened. You know, you just saw
Speaker 2: the DNC just completely change the primary schedule around and
Speaker 2: just signaled to everybody else being like, don't even fucking
Speaker 2: think about trying to come up this guy right now
Speaker 2: if you are a Demo, if you're like a mainstream Democrat,
Speaker 2: because it ain't happening right and yeah, and we all
Speaker 2: suffer because usually if you have someone at least to
Speaker 2: the left of Biden in the Democratic primary, it forces
Speaker 2: Joe Biden didn't to start saying things that are to
Speaker 2: the left of Joe Biden to you know, obviously find
Speaker 2: a way to court as many votes as possible. But
Speaker 2: I don't know about this time. He's he might just
Speaker 2: be like, remember.
Speaker 1: All that cool stuff I promised last time?
Speaker 2: Yeah that again that except.
Speaker 1: It would be nice if he had to tangle with it,
Speaker 1: you know, acknowledge that shit and like keep moving, keep
Speaker 1: like keep stay accountable. In some way, it would also
Speaker 1: be good for him, Like the only people it's good
Speaker 1: for him to like run unchallenged is like the just
Speaker 1: you know, James Carville and like people like that who
Speaker 1: just have this idea that like you just have to
Speaker 1: be as center as possible, like the the there are
Speaker 1: people being like and uh, somebody on the left would
Speaker 1: contribute to media stories about Dems in disarray, which is
Speaker 1: like they're really worried about that media narrative. I remember that,
Speaker 1: like from when I listened to like the Crooked Media podcasts,
Speaker 1: like they could always be so hurt. Anytime there was
Speaker 1: a media story about like the Democratic Party being in
Speaker 1: disarray or like you know, having it having problems, It's like,
Speaker 1: who gives a shit, Nobody cares. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: like insidery like internally looking like gossip columns for Democratic
Speaker 1: operatives and like nobody cares.
Speaker 2: I just don't Yeah, I'm I don't see and I
Speaker 2: don't know who's going to enter the race at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I mean it is what it is, I think.
Speaker 2: But again, this is part of this is like the
Speaker 2: this Christmas for the DNC, because we talk about this
Speaker 2: all the time. They're whenever they articulate a vision, it's
Speaker 2: like half fast, like quasi progressive, and then but then
Speaker 2: they really lean on but we ate them on the right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's it. They're not selling people on a like
Speaker 2: real vision outside of well, we're not these people who
Speaker 2: are you know, frothing at the mouth like want to
Speaker 2: be fascists or you know they are, but you know
Speaker 2: what we mean, you know, that's that's sort of the
Speaker 2: extent of it. So it doesn't doesn't lead to the
Speaker 2: most inspiring campaigns you can have that paint a vision
Speaker 2: for people to be like yeah, okay, I can get
Speaker 2: behind something that is a little bit beyond just the
Speaker 2: fucking status quo.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean so basically, the Democratic Party is
Speaker 1: once again going to sabotage itself with their logic that
Speaker 1: it's better to run to the center, and they'll be
Speaker 1: able to run to the center because nobody's challenging them
Speaker 1: from the left unless Cornell West is like willing to.
Speaker 1: So he's announced that he was running. First, he announced
Speaker 1: he was running on the People's Party ticket.
Speaker 2: Which is terrible, like problem, like a Party just so
Speaker 2: full of problems. They're like, first of all, like not
Speaker 2: even ten years old, like seven years old. The person
Speaker 2: who started it has all these allegations of like assault,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people were like scratching their heads
Speaker 2: like this is the really Cornell West? Like you you
Speaker 2: kind of you have your.
Speaker 1: Shit together for the most part. What what the fuck
Speaker 1: is this?
Speaker 2: Then then I think after he was pressed on a
Speaker 2: lot of these allegations like why why are you running
Speaker 2: with the People's Party, and then he's like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: also gonna seek that. I'm actually seeking the nomination of
Speaker 2: the Green Party. Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's doing the Green Party now, which in
Speaker 1: the Green Party is like we're we welcome it. That's great,
Speaker 1: but that I guess that's even though that does make
Speaker 1: his campaign seem like it's not well planned out. I
Speaker 1: don't really give a shit about that, Like we need
Speaker 1: we need some chaos energy in here. And maybe it
Speaker 1: means that he'd be willing to audible and run for
Speaker 1: in the Democratic primary.
Speaker 2: I don't think he should do that. I just don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't someone like Cornell West, who's like
Speaker 2: an avowed socialist, I don't like just like getting just
Speaker 2: doing that dance. We see what happens when you come
Speaker 2: from the left, like truly from the left and run
Speaker 2: as a Democrat, Like they just they're just gonna fuck
Speaker 2: you up and just just marginalize you. And I get
Speaker 2: that we do need some kind of magnetic force to
Speaker 2: pull Biden to the left, because I think that's really
Speaker 2: the only thing that the Democrats have in terms of
Speaker 2: like an evolution on policy. Like I get the need
Speaker 2: for that, but there's part of me too, like cause
Speaker 2: we talk about all the time about how are we
Speaker 2: going to have like an effective, real third party that
Speaker 2: like might represent like this whole cohort of progressives that
Speaker 2: exist and like you know, leftists in the country, And
Speaker 2: it's like you got to like we need to start
Speaker 2: seeing some people enter Congress like that too, Like you
Speaker 2: can't just be every four years we talk about this thing,
Speaker 2: like we need some other ways to begin establishing some
Speaker 2: roots within Congress. Also that creates some kind of viable
Speaker 2: block of like a third party. And so that's why
Speaker 2: I'm like, I do like I want him, you know,
Speaker 2: I see the appeal in that, But part of me
Speaker 2: is like it just seems a little bit short. It's
Speaker 2: a little short sighted, but at this point we're like
Speaker 2: we're just we're running out, Like I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know what is gonna what the platform is going
Speaker 2: to be at this point because right now the Republicans
Speaker 2: are basically saying like, yeah, we don't need Medicare, Medicaid
Speaker 2: or Social Security and things like that, and that's just
Speaker 2: a gift to Democrats who just have to say, well,
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 4: When Cornell was just such a like he's such a
Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders and that he like I remember when Occupy
Speaker 4: Wall Street started and I was in grad school in
Speaker 4: Virginia and it was literally just watching Cornell West sitting
Speaker 4: at Zukkat Park and talking to all these people and
Speaker 4: just saying, this is like a loving crowd and everything.
Speaker 4: And I like got on a fucking bus and went there.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like he's got he's got like that
Speaker 4: that special thing. But you know, I don't know, other
Speaker 4: than pushing Biden left, it just doesn't seem like it's
Speaker 4: going to happen, which is a bummer. But uh, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Think because we get on this cycle. Yeah, because like
Speaker 2: even right even with with Bernie in the last primary
Speaker 2: and other other candidates with like slightly more progressive ideas
Speaker 2: than Biden. Biden said those things, but when he got
Speaker 2: in office, he didn't fucking do any of it. So
Speaker 2: like in that word to say yeah, yeah, like so
Speaker 2: in that sense, I'm like, I don't know what that
Speaker 2: really gives us substantively, you know, And I think that's
Speaker 2: where we have to kind of think a little bit
Speaker 2: bigger here and just know like this, like we're forestuck
Speaker 2: in this duopoly, but we have to be a little
Speaker 2: more long, longer term and thinking like, Okay, how can
Speaker 2: we how can we try and claw this kind of
Speaker 2: thing back? And this is this is a conversation that's
Speaker 2: been being had and debated for decades now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, But I mean Cornell West is also a
Speaker 1: very young man at the age of seventy, So you know,
Speaker 1: there's something to build here. We can build, you know,
Speaker 1: do something with this campaign and then maybe next time, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, who knows, maybe maybe he can't, you know. Like
Speaker 2: I think that's what's what's potentially good too about him running,
Speaker 2: is like he can just be just a socialist out
Speaker 2: there talking about socialist policy and it is what it
Speaker 2: is without him running as a Democrat and again triangulating
Speaker 2: because he's running as a Democrat, So it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a double edged sword when you look
Speaker 2: at it. But again, I mean, like I've I think
Speaker 2: he's I think he's a great mind and the kind
Speaker 2: of person whose ideas are so sorely needed to be
Speaker 2: discussed out in the open on like a national stage
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if nothing else, like just hearing that message,
Speaker 4: even if it's not doing shit for the election, is something.
Speaker 4: And hearing it said by someone who's so well spoken
Speaker 4: and like an interesting person in that he's he uses
Speaker 4: Christianity in such an interesting way, which I think is
Speaker 4: like it is a doorway to more people, and that's something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's And I think there's been so much there's
Speaker 2: been a lot of like argument too, because like he
Speaker 2: I think he announced his candidacy on Russell Brands show
Speaker 2: that people were like what another fuck no, but.
Speaker 4: It's not it no, But I mean Russell Brand for
Speaker 4: like a why there was a very different person and
Speaker 4: maybe just hasn't fucking caught up to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like the last time I was twenty seventeen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: since the pandemic oh, what the fuck is this? Now?
Speaker 4: I love that Messiah stand up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he also like wrote an op ed
Speaker 2: like a lot of he was getting criticism because you
Speaker 2: wrote this op ed about like that. The Wall Street
Speaker 2: Journal sort of used like one line of it to
Speaker 2: make it seem like Cornell was heaping praise on Ronda Santis,
Speaker 2: which he was very narrowly about one thing he did. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he and Cornell West was like, look, I disagree
Speaker 2: with him on ninety eight percent of the issues, but
Speaker 2: two percent I do agree that, like, you know, the classics,
Speaker 2: teaching the classics, teaching the classics. I'm like, and then
Speaker 2: part of me is like, well, but then I'm also
Speaker 2: scratching my head. I'm like, don't give Ronda Santis not
Speaker 2: even a rose pedal. No, we don't need to narrowly
Speaker 2: agree with him like that. But he's trying to do
Speaker 2: coalition building in at a time that's just so crazy,
Speaker 2: Like like the person you're building a Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: think it needs to be someone you like, I think,
Speaker 2: a real but you know person that could have some
Speaker 2: momentum to someone younger too, because you know, all of
Speaker 2: these people are straddling the same eras and have different
Speaker 2: ways of looking at politics, even Cornell West. It's like
Speaker 2: it's a bit it's a bit different, especially for older
Speaker 2: black people. Like we hear all the time about like
Speaker 2: the whole respectability politics issue and where people fall in
Speaker 2: line with that, and I think we just it's we're
Speaker 2: just like looking at the options. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: so whose grandpa is it? Right? And we just need
Speaker 2: like we I think what's also missing is that youthful
Speaker 2: energy which would capture even more people, because most people
Speaker 2: just feel like they're being talked to by an elderly person. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's like the fuck, man, you don't even know
Speaker 2: what the fuck you don't know what the word yeat
Speaker 2: means and.
Speaker 4: You want to be president.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Constitution out the window. It's just like one of
Speaker 2: those things where I think that's also a huge, huge,
Speaker 2: huge dimension to a candidate that's missing, Like someone younger
Speaker 2: would is like us would get to capture a lot
Speaker 2: more minds also, but you know, here we are, we
Speaker 2: see what happens, like the establishment and the DNC, the
Speaker 2: media can all come together and like you've always say, Jack,
Speaker 2: like there's an aversion to anything left of the status
Speaker 2: quo and it will purge it if you play within
Speaker 2: that arena.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's so much hunger for it. There's so much,
Speaker 1: like I feel like handle correctly, he could run a
Speaker 1: campaign that would get that would like build on Bernie's momentum.
Speaker 1: Like the everything that we've heard about the Sanders campaign
Speaker 1: of like twenty twenty is just that like it it
Speaker 1: was the final wall. It was just like running into
Speaker 1: the final wall. And I don't know, but it also
Speaker 1: signaled that there's like a shitload of like public support
Speaker 1: for a lot of these ideas. Yeah, and I just
Speaker 1: I also feel like we are in a position for
Speaker 1: something historically bad to happen with this president who is
Speaker 1: just like so old and his vice presidential candidate. It
Speaker 1: like there's just there's not a lot of like insurance
Speaker 1: for like something that could go up in flames. We
Speaker 1: we haven't bought home insurance. And it's like Kamala, So
Speaker 1: like if he is physically not able to run in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, it's going to be Kamala Harris. Like
Speaker 1: that's a true like nightmare that could land you with
Speaker 1: Trump as president in prison.
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeahh but yeah, Day one he'd get himself out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it is just like we're living in
Speaker 1: historically fucking wild times and and the fact that there's
Speaker 1: not more flexibility or more kind of planning happening, and
Speaker 1: it's just like, well, we can't acknowledge that there's anything
Speaker 1: but the Democratic Party that it's just we're we're in
Speaker 1: a bad spot.
Speaker 2: It feels like heading into this one, yeah, people will
Speaker 2: be pinching their noses to the fucking ballot box. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because yeah, I mean like that's and that's why I
Speaker 2: feel so hopeless, because like if you're if you're someone
Speaker 2: who looks at the Democratic Party, you're like, this doesn't
Speaker 2: fucking represent the fuck. I think like this is like
Speaker 2: maybe three three percent of it, you know maybe Yeah,
Speaker 2: But then and then your only option is to be like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, the establishment comes together to make sure that
Speaker 2: our only options are fucking just fascism now or like
Speaker 2: slow creep to fascism with like can take cloth, you know,
Speaker 2: like ye're taking a knee and in the rotunda, like
Speaker 2: it's just yeah, it doesn't it doesn't feel good. It
Speaker 2: doesn't feel good. But yeah, I think that's why it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, building on finding another way to to sort
Speaker 2: of form a proper insurgent like voting block like I
Speaker 2: think is also critical to like a longer term like
Speaker 2: idea of how we can just move past it, because
Speaker 2: I'm the Democrats aren't going to fucking hand the reins
Speaker 2: over to like socialists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like some of the conversation has been
Speaker 1: taken over by this like tactical like you know, the
Speaker 1: political not not political activists, but like the political operative class,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, how are you.
Speaker 2: Going to build that thing?
Speaker 1: And it's it feels like, well, I don't know, it
Speaker 1: seems it seems impossible. You get into the like, well,
Speaker 1: how exactly you're going to do it, and it feels
Speaker 1: like somebody needs to provide the like why we're going
Speaker 1: to do it? And then you know, yeah, people, people,
Speaker 1: and the just sheer amount of energy that like what
Speaker 1: will surprise people and the how will like kind of
Speaker 1: figure itself out.
Speaker 2: The thing that works against it is just the fear
Speaker 2: people have of Republicans taking over everything. Yeah, which is
Speaker 2: why so many people who are who aren't Republican voters
Speaker 2: and are to the left of that or left of center, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: are you know every time you hear something about like,
Speaker 2: well maybe if Corne no, he's gonna take votes away
Speaker 2: from Biden, and then what's gonna happen? Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen? Like that's all that's the knee jerk
Speaker 2: response to someone like that has appeal entering, is that
Speaker 2: they're just gonna get bashed down with like the fear
Speaker 2: stick of being like, but then, but then Joe Byron
Speaker 2: won't might not win, and that's not good because and
Speaker 2: then you're right back to fucking your voting crypt every time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court has upheld ICWA, the Indian Child Welfare
Speaker 1: Act of nineteen seventy eight, which was aimed at preventing
Speaker 1: Native foster children and adoptees from being separated from their
Speaker 1: families and tribes. The vote was seven too, although the
Speaker 1: Court didn't really engage with the challenger central argument that
Speaker 1: the existing law unconstitutionally discriminates based on race because they
Speaker 1: had not suffered a concrete harm and could not sue
Speaker 1: was kind of their central idea.
Speaker 2: But this all revolves.
Speaker 1: Around like an evangelical Christian couple who are trying to
Speaker 1: adopt a baby of Navajo and Cherokee descent, and they
Speaker 1: were were able to still we're able to adopt the
Speaker 1: baby despite ICWA, but they sued to challenge its constitutionality because,
Speaker 1: as one of the parents wrote on her blog, the
Speaker 1: law is destroying the hearts of children across the country
Speaker 1: every day and it is devastating them.
Speaker 2: But when you really but when you start picking it apart,
Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with that at all. This
Speaker 2: was entirely about taking away the authority of Congress to
Speaker 2: protect the sovereignty of tribal land and people. And that's
Speaker 2: why every sick fuck and corporation that has been as
Speaker 2: a boner for taking like tribal land and shit lined
Speaker 2: up to fucking represent these people. In the case, there's
Speaker 2: fucking law firm that represented this these these couples pro
Speaker 2: bone were the same people that were working with the
Speaker 2: Dakota Access pipeline. Yeah, like this was they took them
Speaker 2: on pro bono just out of the kindness of their heart,
Speaker 2: because they cared about this couple and their children. There
Speaker 2: are other clients, Chevron and Google. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 2: that's why it's it's really like, you know, the opinions
Speaker 2: were really interesting to see, like but Neil Gorsitch wrote
Speaker 2: with pretty pretty decent summation of everything that was like
Speaker 2: at stake here Alito and Thomas, Holy shit. Clarence Thomas
Speaker 2: was like doing some made some debunked argument that didn't
Speaker 2: make sense. Alito was like, I don't know, Like I think,
Speaker 2: like white people, if they're good, like they should be
Speaker 2: able to take like a baby from wherever. That's my
Speaker 2: dissenting opinion. Uh, And the others are like, this is
Speaker 2: absolute horseshit. I think it's important to note, right, like
Speaker 2: the reason that whole the the the Indian Child Welfare
Speaker 2: Act even came to be was because of like the
Speaker 2: like very very implicit policy of cultural genocide in the
Speaker 2: eighteen seventies with Indian boarding schools and taking kids away
Speaker 2: and just taking just trying to assimilate the shit out
Speaker 2: of these kids, so there's like no tribal identity. And
Speaker 2: then on top of that, these places were funded off
Speaker 2: the sales of tribal land, so shit was so fucking
Speaker 2: backwards to begin with that this was like a small
Speaker 2: step in just like upholding this sort of this sovereignty.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's wild to think how many like corporations
Speaker 2: were truly like they wanted at this because it would
Speaker 2: weaken a lot of other things. It wasn't necessarily just
Speaker 2: about you know, getting these babies into the right homes.
Speaker 4: And what's so interesting if you do look in the
Speaker 4: past of that, I think is like what we were
Speaker 4: talking about with the two party system is like the
Speaker 4: taking away of children was like a progressive stance because
Speaker 4: the republican or not republican because it's changed obviously, but
Speaker 4: like the conservative stance was like on a side, right,
Speaker 4: and so it was like actually a progressive thing at
Speaker 4: the time, which I think is like kind of shows
Speaker 4: what we were talking about before, where we're choosing between
Speaker 4: these two things and like one is like a slower
Speaker 4: process of the same thing, right, And so I think
Speaker 4: it's just, uh, yeah, this is a big win and
Speaker 4: I'm so glad.
Speaker 2: Yeah to two decisions man voting right now, Gail, I
Speaker 2: guess what it is? So you think is it damage
Speaker 2: control for the prior ship or is it a setup
Speaker 2: move for something worse down the road, or.
Speaker 3: Is it.
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it does feel like a bit
Speaker 2: of like damage control because they're like, yo, we're fucking
Speaker 2: up bad. Like let's do some let's do the bare
Speaker 2: minimum and uphold these things that are sort of the
Speaker 2: tenets of you know what, our kind of our half
Speaker 2: hearted society is here. And yeah, I don't know, it
Speaker 2: definitely helps. I mean we haven't we haven't talked about
Speaker 2: Harlan Crowe or Clarence Thomas's you know, h like financials
Speaker 2: in a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah you got he got that extension. He's got a
Speaker 1: cool professor who was like, yeah, you can have an extension.
Speaker 1: So thanks prof Thanks dude. All right, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll come back, we'll talk Taylor Swift, we'll
Speaker 1: talk a satanic panic stories.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back, and we're back.
Speaker 1: And so like this is just a story of like
Speaker 1: the industriousness of the American spirit at this point, this
Speaker 1: is this is the good, good news story. So Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift concert tickets are impossible to get. So Swifties who
Speaker 1: were shut out of the ability to go to the
Speaker 1: show can now buy some loose confetti from the ones
Speaker 1: who were able to go. All right, people who went
Speaker 1: to the show, and presumably like some of this is
Speaker 1: just they justly went to party city, right, but they're claiming,
Speaker 1: they're claiming that they're taking. They're grabbing handfuls of the
Speaker 1: confetti reselling it online. The pricing isn't that bad, It's
Speaker 1: only thirteen dollars for a pack of ten. But my
Speaker 1: reason for ten strips of fucking ten pieces of confetti
Speaker 1: from the concert though, Miles, I don't think you understand.
Speaker 1: It's from the concert to get to as we call
Speaker 1: down the streets. You're buying a loose fetti for thirteen bucks.
Speaker 3: Lucy's all right, by Lucy, Lucy's but much less popular
Speaker 3: than buying you know, regular confetti is confetti.
Speaker 1: Lucy's just a single loose piece of confetti for sure.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're claiming, Like one seller pointed out that
Speaker 1: the confetti is somewhat limited at the show, only floor
Speaker 1: seats and maybe some of the one hund hundred sections
Speaker 1: can even get confetti. It's just like such a perfect
Speaker 1: encapsulation of It's like people who are already wealthy or
Speaker 1: well connected enough to be on the floor at like
Speaker 1: the hardest concert to attend in recent modern history are
Speaker 1: just like gathering up the confetti from the ground. I
Speaker 1: can tell you the trash from privileged world and sell it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's elite elite confetti. You guys, I I'm
Speaker 4: going to tell you something that may undermine my credibility
Speaker 4: on the show. But I have Taylor Swift tickets the
Speaker 4: Seattle show. But the funny thing is is I was
Speaker 4: able to get them. My partner and I were able
Speaker 4: to get them first round. It was no problem. We
Speaker 4: just got tickets. And then suddenly everything exploded and came
Speaker 4: toppling down. And so I'll be gathering some loose confetti
Speaker 4: and I'll send it to you. Don't I don't actually
Speaker 4: have good seats though on any No.
Speaker 2: I don't have to. I don't have a problem that
Speaker 2: you're going to the Aras tour. I have a problem
Speaker 2: that I have a problem that you can't get me
Speaker 2: loose petty off the floor. That's my issue.
Speaker 4: So get it together, please, Well maybe I can get
Speaker 4: you know, maybe I can get in a fight for
Speaker 4: you and else.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, cause a headline something like that.
Speaker 1: Another confetti salesperson pointed at that pointed out that people
Speaker 1: are getting mad at her, but she's just following Taylor's
Speaker 1: lead because Taylor Swift has created an insane business model,
Speaker 1: a capitalist empire that's easy for people to jump on
Speaker 1: and that fan is also flipping sixty five dollars tour
Speaker 1: crew necks for two hundred dollars each. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I I appreciate the hustle, Like these don't seem like
Speaker 1: they're they seem like they're just trying to make money
Speaker 1: to recoup the fact that they spent they might have
Speaker 1: spent like an entire I check on this.
Speaker 2: I just love the passionate defense of that Eddi salesperson
Speaker 2: that said Taylor Swift is created an insane business model.
Speaker 2: People are getting mad that I'm selling confetti like thirty dollars,
Speaker 2: But what's crazy is that A people are buying it,
Speaker 2: and B you're in denial thinking Taylor Swift is not
Speaker 2: a capitalist. That's right, Oh my god, Because yeah, I mean, like,
Speaker 2: I've never seen somebody truly milk their audience like this
Speaker 2: to be like, Yo, you could buy this album with
Speaker 2: one extra song on it in a new album cover. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they're like yes, yes, I mean god, I wish
Speaker 2: I I'm in the wrong business. I think I'm gonna
Speaker 2: I might just go just to get some of this confetti.
Speaker 1: The confetti, Like, I truly can't imagine anyone going through
Speaker 1: the trouble of gathering up the confetti off the floor
Speaker 1: and then like selling it for thirteen dollars for ten
Speaker 1: strips like that?
Speaker 2: How much?
Speaker 1: Like are you bringing garbage bags with you? Like, I
Speaker 1: just think this has to be some pants, cargo pants?
Speaker 2: Where cargo pants. I've already thought this out, Jack, I've
Speaker 2: got cargo pants. Whoever, I'm coming with us cargo pants
Speaker 2: and we're stuffing them ships. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Big, are these single pieces of confetti because the picture
Speaker 4: does not have like a t scale scale pieces of confetti?
Speaker 4: Are they small band aid size?
Speaker 2: Like what are we saying?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking band aids. I've never seen confetti. Like the
Speaker 1: picture is really close up, really shows the texture, full
Speaker 1: spectrum of colors too. Yeah, the colors are great.
Speaker 2: It's a good are selling right now? Yeah, you guys
Speaker 2: don't want to get it.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I've purchased two packages twenty pieces of You said
Speaker 1: that was an investment for your kids college.
Speaker 2: It's for the future, and.
Speaker 4: For sure get two dollars off if you buy three.
Speaker 2: So yeah, business business planning. But I mean, Jack, this
Speaker 2: is the same thing like when those like wacky racist
Speaker 2: people were like bottling up fucking splash Mountain Water before
Speaker 2: they made it all woke.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like they're only the same water. No,
Speaker 4: I guess not. They're probably shutting it down for a while,
Speaker 4: so who.
Speaker 2: Knows either way. It's like you don't know what the
Speaker 2: fuck if that's even what they're.
Speaker 4: Selling you for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Like yeah, no you go to part not
Speaker 1: you get like I'm putting this in the same category
Speaker 1: of like it's not worth it to like carry that
Speaker 1: shit out with you, Like it's just so annoying to
Speaker 1: like be going to the concert and carrying out just
Speaker 1: like loose handfuls of confetti enough to make it like
Speaker 1: worth getting, Like so you would have to have two
Speaker 1: hundred to even get Like I don't know, it's just
Speaker 1: you're making a three.
Speaker 2: Oh, how do you pay for your like okay, can't
Speaker 2: what's the formula to pay for your floor seat by
Speaker 2: selling the loose stetti after like.
Speaker 1: The margins on the sixty five dollars a piece for
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars each, Like that kind of makes sense,
Speaker 1: but it's still like are you bringing are you bringing
Speaker 1: a fucking fork left with you to the show? How
Speaker 1: many of these shirts are you getting? So I feel
Speaker 1: like these are all just grifters. Like the internet is
Speaker 1: just oh yeah, so full of grifters. This is These
Speaker 1: are not people who actually went to the concert. These
Speaker 1: are people just taking advantage. Like there's also somebody selling
Speaker 1: ziploc bags of eras tour air, which I think is
Speaker 1: a joke.
Speaker 2: But that's a great grift, man, Come on now. But again,
Speaker 2: I but it's like, this is just this is where
Speaker 2: we're at. It's like the same you see the same thing,
Speaker 2: and every fandom, right, like especially with Trump. Trump grifts
Speaker 2: his all of his fans. Yeah, and they grift each
Speaker 2: the fuck out of each other, you know, because they
Speaker 2: see like, oh shit, y'all buy anything. Okay, watch this,
Speaker 2: y'all want Trump Bucks and people are fucking buying them
Speaker 2: if you are. Okay, So floor seats for the Sofi
Speaker 2: Stadium show in La thirty five hundred, So quick maths
Speaker 2: on that. I need to sell like three hundred.
Speaker 1: Bundles of food spand so you have to gather three
Speaker 1: thousand pieces of fetti while you're there. Okay, So dollars
Speaker 1: like a lot? Yeah that seems like a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm not up on the feti game, but.
Speaker 2: I mean, but or the smartest person are the workers
Speaker 2: who have to clean up after the show, and when
Speaker 2: they brooming that ship up, You're like, yeah, get that
Speaker 2: in the bag. I could watch this that I can
Speaker 2: sell it to someone who has left Earth and I
Speaker 2: can sell to them on eBay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully that's that's who's doing enough, or hopefully it's
Speaker 1: just a grifter.
Speaker 2: What is it? What is something that would seemingly be
Speaker 2: detritus to anyone else that you would pay actual dollars for?
Speaker 2: Is there anything like that for either of you? Chelsea Jack,
Speaker 2: Like if there was, even if it's something you thought of,
Speaker 2: like oh, something from this movie or something from this
Speaker 2: concert or this even if it was this artist's fingernail, right,
Speaker 2: because I mean.
Speaker 1: Somebody could get me seemen sample of Grimaces. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: got a I got a big hair collection. So it's
Speaker 1: famous people that I don't talk that much about, but
Speaker 1: you've seen it. Yeah, yeah, I keep talking.
Speaker 4: If I could get something from the Donner Party, that's
Speaker 4: what I want. I have a big daughter party, scholar
Speaker 4: and yeah, if I could get I don't know, I
Speaker 4: get some like dirt from their cabin, I'd pay something.
Speaker 4: I paid thirteen bucks for.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, just off the strength of on me, like
Speaker 1: you know this, Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 4: Open there open their jacket and it's just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would I would probably buy like
Speaker 2: like a roach that any like one of my favorite
Speaker 2: rappers smoked. Oh yeah, I would like I would buy
Speaker 2: one of those for like for cash. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna pay I'm not gonna pay like one hundred bucks.
Speaker 2: But if someone's like, yo, man fucking met the man
Speaker 2: was smoking this blunt, I was like, Okay, what do
Speaker 2: you want to tell me?
Speaker 4: You run out of weed? You just pop that in
Speaker 4: your bong?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh no, never, even when I'm like that's never,
Speaker 2: I'll die sober before I sparked that Method Man, oh
Speaker 2: Chop bought for fifty dollars from on eBay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like whatever the cleaning crew took out of the
Speaker 1: studio after like a legendary recording session would actually.
Speaker 2: Be to have, like yeah, like even if it's like
Speaker 2: a old Cuckoo Roo plastic bag exactly, remember Cuckoo Roo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can hear that bag crinkle on this way
Speaker 1: in the uh torture sketch at the beginning of Method Man.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the hobby Lobby Satanic display.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that this.
Speaker 1: Is like the most twenty twenty three story of the
Speaker 1: day m hm.
Speaker 2: And it comes to us all the way from Texas,
Speaker 2: where an AI artist and member of the Satanic Temple
Speaker 2: mind You used mid Journey AI to basically take images
Speaker 2: like loaded images of the like aisles of Hobby Lobby,
Speaker 2: and the prompt was Hobby Lobby selling Satanic products, And
Speaker 2: what came out was stunning Bapa met demons, all the
Speaker 2: golt legs, everything you could imagine that would make a
Speaker 2: Christian person faint as they clutch their pearls. But yeah,
Speaker 2: if you know Hobby Lobby, the hobby store for Christian
Speaker 2: nationalists who like famously were like, We're not gonna pay
Speaker 2: for fucking any kind of contraception, and we can discriminate
Speaker 2: whoever the fuck we want to because that's our religious choice.
Speaker 2: So this person, Jennifer Vineyard made it, just wanted to
Speaker 2: fuck around with the AI and got these images and
Speaker 2: first posted it to like an AI like art page,
Speaker 2: and then other people just without even critically looking at it,
Speaker 2: started reposting it on Facebook, like this one woman. You
Speaker 2: can tell she's like reposting from something called ai art Universe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then this listenman says, well, I guess even the
Speaker 2: quote Christian owned companies can be bought for the right price.
Speaker 2: Severely disappointed. Holy shit. I mean it's just I mean,
Speaker 2: I get it. We're in another Satanic and nobody is
Speaker 2: you know, just credulously sharing shit. But yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: wold to see how quickly the thing spread. And then
Speaker 2: again boom culture wars.
Speaker 1: The size is the sizing is so far off. It's
Speaker 1: really funny. Like the the sculptures, the like head, the
Speaker 1: bust of Bafomet is like, you know, ten times the
Speaker 1: size of the nearest thing. One of them actually looks
Speaker 1: like they have little demons like sitting on a shelf
Speaker 1: next to like air fresheners and shit and like live laugh,
Speaker 1: love car. Yeah, like baby sized or like toddler sized
Speaker 1: demons just sitting there like five times the size of
Speaker 1: anything else in the hobby lobby that you can see
Speaker 1: in the picture. And they're just like yeah, man, and
Speaker 1: it's fucked up out there.
Speaker 2: Huh. Yeah.
Speaker 4: If you go back to like the eighties Satanic panic
Speaker 4: and nineties, I think this is a great example of
Speaker 4: something that happens with an urban legend, and especially the
Speaker 4: Satanic panic is like it's called ostench, right, And it's
Speaker 4: like when there's already some kind of legend. Right, So
Speaker 4: if we think, okay, a town's already worried about a
Speaker 4: Satanic cult because you know, animals ate another animal weird
Speaker 4: and left its carcass there, or you know there's been
Speaker 4: a murder and nobody can explain it. So there's already
Speaker 4: this panic around Satanic colts. And so a teenager goes
Speaker 4: and that's what I see here, is like a teenager
Speaker 4: going and spray painting Satan lives on like an underpass.
Speaker 4: And then because this person's reacting to a panic that
Speaker 4: already exists and having fun with it and like fulfilling
Speaker 4: it and fucking with it, then it perpetuates the same
Speaker 4: problem because then the people who already believe in the
Speaker 4: legend take it seriously.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just exactly chatry to jump in here. Correct.
Speaker 1: Teenagers would never do something so callous and chaotic as
Speaker 1: to play into an existing urban legend just to fuck
Speaker 1: with people.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, not.
Speaker 1: Teenagers, not my teenagers.
Speaker 4: It is or those with a teen spirit who are
Speaker 4: making ai.
Speaker 2: R right, like who's apparently like a pharmacist in training
Speaker 2: in the article they like have like eyah, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to be a pharmacist, but also like fuck fuck this,
Speaker 2: like these people freaking out over shit. The comments on
Speaker 2: it are people said I haven't seen this in ours,
Speaker 2: but it's been a couple of weeks since I've been
Speaker 2: in there. That's insane. Another person had half a brand
Speaker 2: and said I'd have to see this in person before
Speaker 2: I'd believe it. Good for you, uh, dear Facebook user.
Speaker 2: Another one said, wow, now this is crazy. Did the
Speaker 2: Christian owners sail or are they just incompromise and cross
Speaker 2: the line and gone woke? This is absolutely insane and
Speaker 2: the line real Christians would never crossbody.
Speaker 4: Such a famously Christian change. That's what I love about,
Speaker 4: which I think that's why they did it, right.
Speaker 2: I love the prodding of it to be like, well,
Speaker 2: what about your sacred hobby lobby? Guess what they're in
Speaker 2: bed with Bahamet over there, like yeah, we have met anymore.
Speaker 2: There's another I just love this one. Screw Satanic people.
Speaker 2: Screw Satanic people. Look all I'm after they qualifying. Screw
Speaker 2: Satanic people. Look all I'm saying is that Satanic people
Speaker 2: are stupid and obviously you worst the damn devil. I
Speaker 2: think may have meant you worship the damn devil and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and that's disgusting. I could never And
Speaker 2: Satanic people can go work right really where they belong,
Speaker 2: which is hell, Yeah, okay, at least they're working.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody wants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you're a Satanic person and then you've got
Speaker 2: you got your late for your shift. In hell, you're.
Speaker 4: Working twice as hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I mean, like, I don't hear this, This
Speaker 2: is this feels like more of what we're gonna see,
Speaker 2: more and more of shit like this to your point,
Speaker 2: like Chelsea of people already like on an edge or
Speaker 2: like on a on like a tight wire and all
Speaker 2: it's just a little bit of like visual stimulus to
Speaker 2: suddenly kick it right back in and be like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, this is true. I don't even know. I'm
Speaker 2: not even I can't even think critically anymore. This is true,
Speaker 2: is all I needed to see, because my confirmation bias
Speaker 2: said to.
Speaker 4: Three million, well do you guys think that this kind
Speaker 4: of thing is helpful or do you? Because I look
Speaker 4: at this sometimes and like as much as I don't
Speaker 4: want to feel this way, I'm like, ah, you're really like,
Speaker 4: I think this is funny. I think it's great to
Speaker 4: piss and out piss off and outrage and freak out people.
Speaker 4: But then it's like it does have the same effect
Speaker 4: of just adding to this story. So I just I
Speaker 4: don't know, and I don't think this person really meant
Speaker 4: that to happen, because it looks like it just was pulled, right.
Speaker 4: It was pulled from some yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Then they posted it like on Reddit and like on
Speaker 2: their own Facebook, and then just it took off on
Speaker 2: its own.
Speaker 4: But it wasn't a hoax, a purposeful hoax necessarily.
Speaker 2: I think it was probably half hearted. All see where
Speaker 2: it goes. See where it goes, because I'll make an
Speaker 2: image that people will take seriously. Now what people do
Speaker 2: with it after that? I mean, she said her one
Speaker 2: regret was that she didn't spend more than ten minutes
Speaker 2: making it. Is like some people were like, I see
Speaker 2: pound signs next to the prices, Like, I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is happening in the US then yet the.
Speaker 1: People are like, oh no, yeah, because in other countries
Speaker 1: like put pound signs next to prices.
Speaker 2: To your point, Yeah, I don't know. I mean for
Speaker 2: sure like it for it prolongs this this situation, uh
Speaker 2: in people's minds, especially for the people who probably are
Speaker 2: not thinking critically and are just like, yep, and that's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's even Hobby Lobby. And then someone will tell them
Speaker 2: that's fake and they're like, but i'd believe it if
Speaker 2: it happened.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then the fact that it's Hobby Lobby is
Speaker 5: helpful to me because it's like you are like, if
Speaker 5: you're going to weaponize this against something, then at least
Speaker 5: it's against you know.
Speaker 2: That's the only reason I even brought it up, because
Speaker 2: if it was someone doing that shit in Target or whatever,
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, this is like that. I don't I
Speaker 2: see this pure cynicism in it. But because of Hobby
Speaker 2: Lobby's you know, reputation as being an upstanding Christian company
Speaker 2: that discriminates indiscriminately like it is, then I feel a
Speaker 2: little less But I but I think it's an important thing.
Speaker 2: And I guess for you, someone who looks at this
Speaker 2: kind of thing, how could you like, is there anything
Speaker 2: anyone could do to abbreviate something like this? Because it
Speaker 2: seems like once it's out there, people are gonna believe
Speaker 2: what they believe. And we see this and this especially
Speaker 2: post truth era we live in, where even if they're
Speaker 2: presented with the truth, they still pivot to something like yeah,
Speaker 2: but I could see how it would would be real and.
Speaker 4: It just yeah, yeah, I mean it's a million dollar question,
Speaker 4: I think, And I mean I always solve this, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: how do we te grid of the Satanic panic? Since
Speaker 4: we did it so well before? But I don't know,
Speaker 4: I mean I go back and forth because it does
Speaker 4: feel like an uphill battle that's possibly. I mean, this
Speaker 4: is a this is so ancient. This is an ancient thing.
Speaker 4: I mean if you go back to like even Jewish
Speaker 4: blood libel with Christian saying okay, Jewish people are Satanic
Speaker 4: and they're sacrificing children, and you know, this is like
Speaker 4: a thousand years or more. So it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: I think it's just like we were talking about with
Speaker 4: moral panics all over the world. This is just the
Speaker 4: most entrenched thing because you're dealing with what you consider
Speaker 4: the biggest evil, right, and so when you have this,
Speaker 4: especially like you have like a Satanic child killer of
Speaker 4: some kind, which apparently we all are. You know, it's
Speaker 4: easy then to justify whatever you want to do, and
Speaker 4: so I don't think people are going to let go
Speaker 4: of the ability to demonize literally an entire group of
Speaker 4: people or entire political affiliation or whatever, and then you know,
Speaker 4: justify whatever they want to do in retaliation to that evil.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if it's I think, you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes I get pissed off at certain celebrities that really
Speaker 4: play into sort of the satanic Illuminati thing as a lark,
Speaker 4: But I do think it has a lot of negative
Speaker 4: effects for people who aren't like massively rich celebrities in
Speaker 4: small towns, who might say, okay, like this is connected
Speaker 4: to gay people because a gay artist has like really
Speaker 4: played into the satanic thing. I think that that can
Speaker 4: have some damage, But I would never say that it's not.
Speaker 4: I don't know it's I really tow a line there
Speaker 4: of not being sure, because I do feel like sometimes
Speaker 4: it trickles down and does harmful things to really play
Speaker 4: into that. But at the same time, I don't know
Speaker 4: if it really truly makes a difference or if it's
Speaker 4: just entrenched and always going to be there.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I feel like the fact that these are all like
Speaker 1: the sizing is off. Everything's like just a little too stupid,
Speaker 1: Like I think that makes it extra fun and worth while.
Speaker 1: Like I have no notes on this because it's inherently
Speaker 1: like it's exposing the stupidity of the people who would
Speaker 1: get mad at this by being like this is the
Speaker 1: hobby lobby is selling these like life sized satan ensconss
Speaker 1: next to Yankee candle decorations.
Speaker 4: And it's not even Halloween.
Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, just.
Speaker 1: Bot of that head in the middle of the fucking
Speaker 1: lamp aisle is so they're.
Speaker 4: They're not even baphomets. Really, I don't even know. They're
Speaker 4: like dark angels with wings coming out of their heads.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like one god, one goady head, but yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot are just sort of vague ai demonic regalia.
Speaker 1: I truly have no notes on I think they should
Speaker 1: have a second thought about, like whether they should have
Speaker 1: spent more time on it, because I think they spent
Speaker 1: just the exact right amount of time. I think is
Speaker 1: like one of the last like things that one.
Speaker 2: Of the last things we have before.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, like we we have to like create truth
Speaker 1: that is like I don't know, we.
Speaker 2: Need for comfort. Yeah, I think, if anything, go harder
Speaker 2: and make it, like, go for the most unbelievable thing
Speaker 2: possible where it's like they're selling Jesus and Baphomet sixteen
Speaker 2: nining golfs in the kids aisle at hobby lobby like
Speaker 2: here they are and people, I mean, I'm sure it's
Speaker 2: just so funny because people are like, so, it's just
Speaker 2: it is. Again, it's like horrifying too that some people
Speaker 2: are really like, yep, those are the stakes and that's
Speaker 2: the situation. I mean, they are making this kind of stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like wow, okay, well anyway, but I like through
Speaker 2: satanic people.
Speaker 4: Look, you're gonna get so many comments where words that
Speaker 4: shouldn't be capitalized are and it's just complete capitalization anarchy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, totally, Yeah, I do. I do love that
Speaker 2: it was a satanic was treated as a proper adjective. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so again this person woke moralists? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that what that quote was from Jordan Peterson? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: go to hell, woke moralists. It's not on my quote
Speaker 1: of the day calendar I have for Oh yeah, it's
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