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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety one,

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Speaker 1: episode four of day production of iHeartRadio This It's still

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Speaker 1: a podcast where retaken deep to have into America, share

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Speaker 1: couching ess. And It's Friday, June sixteenth, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: which of course means six six.

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Speaker 2: One six National Fudge Day, International Day of the African Child,

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Speaker 2: shoutout African children everywhere, International Day of Family Remittances. Wear

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Speaker 2: Blue Day. Okay, I'll see Yuka World Sea Turtle Day

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Speaker 2: and Las Vegas Worldmark Timbo. That's like some weird promotion

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Speaker 2: thing that someone turned into a holiday. Anyway, that's it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Blue Day. Also, I didn't know what the fuck that is.

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Speaker 2: I'm wearing blue? I knew. Oh for James Joyce okay,

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Speaker 2: probably probably fans of Ulyssias out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a He's got a lot of days, a

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Speaker 1: lot of fans out there.

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Speaker 3: What is?

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Speaker 2: Why are people so? I mean there? I was not

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Speaker 2: an English major or a literary person. I just was

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Speaker 2: subjected to reading James Joyce in my academic career.

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Speaker 1: Man, those first twenty pages go hard. I've not been

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Speaker 1: it so hard. I have not been able to make

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Speaker 1: it through the rest. But it's like the Gravity's rainbow.

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Speaker 1: It's like one of these lifetimes, I'll get through them.

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Speaker 1: I made it one hundred and fifteen pages inunder Gravity's

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Speaker 1: Rainbow last year.

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Speaker 2: I was like so impressed. Oh wow. Yeah. I basically

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Speaker 2: my eyes rolled in the back of my head when

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Speaker 2: I was beating Portrait of the artist young Man, and

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Speaker 2: I was like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ulysses, the opening is incredible.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why I haven't read let it, but

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Speaker 2: I just heard it's really good.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, Oh I remember why because I'm an idiot, and

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Speaker 1: speaking of that, my name is Jack O'Brien aka. There

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Speaker 1: is a Mick monstrosity. Oh no, that's filled with rams.

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Speaker 1: Come it's been the ruin, oh many and ice drink

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Speaker 1: so salty oh my tongue. Oh that I think that

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Speaker 1: might have killed.

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Speaker 2: It for me.

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Speaker 1: The idea that it's salty on my tongue. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: did not need that. Mister x Hubs, missus ax Hubbs

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Speaker 1: monscule ax hub x Hubs on the discord.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome and I'm thrilled to be joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my.

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Speaker 2: Co host mister Miles Grat Miles Gray, and I'm really

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Speaker 2: put off by those Grimace aka so I won't be

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Speaker 2: white actually aka purple come is in the shake shake, shake, shake,

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Speaker 2: and the sight sound's not a wake wake wake wake wake.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna bake, bake, bake, bake, bake and

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Speaker 2: drink grim mis come, grim is come. Okay, shout out

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Speaker 2: to me the cast old casanova on discord, I seize

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Speaker 2: you also very interesting occupation if I recall correctly from

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Speaker 2: our discord dms, y'all keep these dms coming, keep reaching

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Speaker 2: out to us, because every day we are finding out

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Speaker 2: new dimensions of zechgang. And wow, we know. I feel

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Speaker 2: like between everybody that's the show, we can do it all.

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Speaker 2: We can do it all.

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Speaker 1: The profession is they fuck cast roles, right, yes, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's right there in the name.

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Speaker 2: Well, Milesage American Pie but with a cast role, that's right, Miles.

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Speaker 1: We were thrilled to be joined in our third seat

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Speaker 1: by one of the very favorite guests on TDZ, a

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Speaker 1: poet a podcaster you can hear on the American Hysteria

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Speaker 1: podcast exploring the fantastical thinking and irrational fears of Americans.

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Speaker 1: No that can't be right, not Americans through the lens

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Speaker 1: of moral panics, urban legends, conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 2: Much else.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome the brilliant, the talented Chelsea Webers.

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Speaker 2: Hello, as always, is it Weeper or Weber?

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Speaker 4: It's Weber.

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Speaker 2: First, I did make sure. I had to make sure.

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Speaker 4: It's actually Debber.

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Speaker 1: Oh Baber Chris Weberber. I went through and on all documents.

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Speaker 1: I did a global search of my computer, every document

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Speaker 1: on my computer and changed it so to make sure

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Speaker 1: it said web like Chris web three point zero.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate that all listen to Chelsea.

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Speaker 2: List has been too long.

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Speaker 4: It's been too long.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 4: Well, as I told you guys, we've been working on Well,

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Speaker 4: we'd actually just finished a Jackass series and that was

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Speaker 4: a lot of fun, and I feel like that's up

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Speaker 4: your alley. Did you guys read Big Brother magazine growing up?

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Speaker 2: Did? I did? And I also made stupid shopping part

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Speaker 2: with my friends, and yeah, I was. I was. I

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Speaker 2: and it basically destroyed half of my body.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing the Jackass videos and they were video

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Speaker 1: like vhs is being traded people like my friend in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I went visit a friend in Chicago, like in high school,

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Speaker 1: and he showed me them and.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck is this? This is crazy?

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Speaker 4: I remember that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Ok, or what dude remember that one? Yeah? He

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Speaker 2: beats up all those dudes outside the seven eleven. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Mike Vallli. I mean I think that's his name. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think the things the sketch I remember is someone

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Speaker 2: It just went everywhere.

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Speaker 4: I feel like, yeah, genius, genius.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was willing to rab himself. Chris Rab.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh man Slewsbury super for Kiki, one

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Speaker 4: And he hates Mustard and that's his big thing is

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Speaker 4: he's whenever Mustard gets by him. Is that not? Is

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Speaker 4: that that's like, oh right, that's your yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 5: Like he had the crazy big hair yeah yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: Now I'm like I have to go back and what

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Speaker 4: You do I think you'd like this episode. You should

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Speaker 4: listen to it. It's very much about how gay Jackass

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Speaker 4: was too, and how much of a revolution it was

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Speaker 4: Even though it was a joke, it was like a

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, let me put a firework up your asshole.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like yes, somo, yeah exactly. But the other thing

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Speaker 4: Urban Legends Hotline, and people can call in and record

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Speaker 4: stories from their childhood and then we'll like deep just

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Speaker 4: do whatever research we decide. And the one we're working

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Speaker 4: on right now is about this place called Pig Hill

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Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania, and it's about a group of cannibal pig

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Speaker 4: like an inbred family, right, kind of a classic legend.

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Speaker 2: And so what do you say.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, But we've been like getting really into the

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Speaker 4: the very first trial that was based on a false

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Speaker 4: confession in American history that ended in an execution, and

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Speaker 4: it was actually about a man accused of best reality.

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Speaker 4: He was like an indentured servant and he was accused

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Speaker 4: and uh yeah, and then there was a big best

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Speaker 2: Wait, so like a milk maid is is we have

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Speaker 2: that's it well not exactly.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, it was a panic, right, so of course, yes,

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Speaker 4: that happened, But it was a panic around specifically like

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Speaker 4: of fizzled out. So kind of a classic moral panic.

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Speaker 4: But sixteen hundreds.

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Speaker 2: We must take note of this. We must the cycle

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Speaker 2: of panics and how we can maybe abbreviate them because

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Speaker 2: we're in the midst of multiple cycles.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, right, yeah, have you ever looked into is

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Speaker 1: America is more irrational, right.

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Speaker 4: I think it depends. I mean, there are some wild

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Speaker 4: like we might look at one panic, like there's a

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Speaker 4: panic in different parts of the world where your penis

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Speaker 4: even recently, people's penises have been suspiciously disappearing, So.

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Speaker 2: You know we might think that.

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Speaker 1: Not that I'm worried, but what what is the care

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Speaker 4: You know, I haven't looked enough?

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Speaker 2: You bring it back? To bring it back?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know it never leaves.

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Speaker 2: So wait, what is that panic? Someone? People are claiming

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Speaker 2: their penises have vanished, like yeah, from their body?

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Speaker 1: You remember, I remember that's from the cracked days that

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Speaker 1: that was from another country.

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Speaker 2: That you do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and it goes back to like like I

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Speaker 4: just typed in penis Spanish panics, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They call it turtle penis because the penis like retracts

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Speaker 1: into the body.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you got it, turtle penis. Panic. Okay, I'll look

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Speaker 1: Anyways, we could clearly talk about this all day. I

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Speaker 1: heard that some bt reality is where Grimace came from.

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Speaker 1: Actually in the first place, makes sense. Yeah, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people don't know that.

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Speaker 2: You heard it here first.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're going to get to know you a little

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Speaker 1: bit better at Chelsea. First, little housekeeping. First of all,

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Speaker 1: we're off on Monday for juneteenth, So we are going

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Speaker 1: to be doing our weekend catch up episode on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: our expert guest interview on Wednesday, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: case this is your first episode in a while, we

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Speaker 1: are doing a truncated summer schedule, a mere eight.

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Speaker 2: Episodes a week.

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Speaker 1: One episode at the beginning of the week, one on Friday,

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Speaker 1: so this is.

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Speaker 1: then this episode, though we are talking, we're just gonna

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about some moral panics happening thanks to AI,

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Speaker 2: Flags.

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Speaker 1: I think we'll definitely get into flags.

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Speaker 2: The Supreme Court doing real real shit. Yes, twice we're

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Speaker 2: They're setting us up miles. Yeah, yeah, they're just yeah,

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Speaker 2: they gotta they gotta put the rock the baby back

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I like really jumped the gun on

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Speaker 4: What how how great question? It is just just like

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Speaker 4: about this Urban Legends hotline is I don't have a goal,

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Speaker 4: whereas like a lot of other episodes, I like want

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think that's that's a that's a big

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Speaker 1: Yeah, newspapers dot Com is like Shizam. It's like one

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Speaker 1: Why are you looking into nineteenth accident?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Interesting? What is uh? What's something you think is overrated?

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Speaker 4: This is always my hardest part because I always want

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Speaker 4: what I always bring to your show. But I'm thinking,

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Speaker 4: and I don't know if it's exactly overrated, but comparing

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Speaker 6: I'm part I'm like almost I'm almost three quarters of

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Speaker 4: Right exactly. So I think comparing that, did you watch

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Speaker 4: are you the one the queer season, I'm oh.

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Speaker 4: See. I didn't even know about it until I was

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Speaker 4: somebody else told me about it, and I'm watching this

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Speaker 4: much more. In the premise for people who don't know,

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Speaker 4: what better reality show could you come up with? But

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Speaker 4: I think we just don't. I hadn't heard even heard

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Speaker 4: And they kind of baited him a little bit into

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Speaker 2: Altim All right, now that we've done that.

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Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, so I think I don't know, I haven't finished.

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Speaker 4: Are you the one?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it takes some hard turn into

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Speaker 4: I think it's so much more fun. That is my underrated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're underrated is the queer querl tomato the ultimatum?

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Speaker 4: No, my underrated is are you the ones?

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Speaker 4: I overrated? It's the querldimatum.

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Speaker 2: The drama in the Queer Ultimatum is it's wild man,

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Speaker 2: it's zat you got to watch this show man. It's

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Speaker 2: But when I watching, I'm like, wow, man, they go

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Speaker 2: And then are you The one thing really was like

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Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, we know how to do drama,

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Speaker 4: and it's it's a lot of fun and you.

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Speaker 2: Do it well.

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Speaker 8: All right, and we're back, and we've spent a little

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Speaker 1: Over what the fuck exactly is going to happen in

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four presidential election on the Republican side,

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Speaker 1: But we're starting to see r FK Junior with all

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Speaker 1: And it's not like no, nobody is saying our FK

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Speaker 2: I don't know about this time. He's he might just

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Speaker 1: All that cool stuff I promised last time?

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Speaker 2: Yeah that again that except.

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Speaker 1: It would be nice if he had to tangle with it,

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Speaker 2: they really lean on but we ate them on the right. Yeah,

438
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Speaker 2: and that's it. They're not selling people on a like

439
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: real vision outside of well, we're not these people who

440
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: are you know, frothing at the mouth like want to

441
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: be fascists or you know they are, but you know

442
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: what we mean, you know, that's that's sort of the

443
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: extent of it. So it doesn't doesn't lead to the

444
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: most inspiring campaigns you can have that paint a vision

445
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 2: for people to be like yeah, okay, I can get

446
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 2: behind something that is a little bit beyond just the

447
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: fucking status quo.

448
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean so basically, the Democratic Party is

449
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: once again going to sabotage itself with their logic that

450
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: it's better to run to the center, and they'll be

451
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: able to run to the center because nobody's challenging them

452
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Speaker 1: from the left unless Cornell West is like willing to.

453
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Speaker 1: So he's announced that he was running. First, he announced

454
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Speaker 1: he was running on the People's Party ticket.

455
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Speaker 2: Which is terrible, like problem, like a Party just so

456
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 2: full of problems. They're like, first of all, like not

457
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 2: even ten years old, like seven years old. The person

458
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: who started it has all these allegations of like assault,

459
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: and a lot of people were like scratching their heads

460
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: like this is the really Cornell West? Like you you

461
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 2: kind of you have your.

462
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: Shit together for the most part. What what the fuck

463
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: is this?

464
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Speaker 2: Then then I think after he was pressed on a

465
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 2: lot of these allegations like why why are you running

466
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 2: with the People's Party, and then he's like, Okay, I'm

467
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: also gonna seek that. I'm actually seeking the nomination of

468
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Speaker 2: the Green Party. Now.

469
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's doing the Green Party now, which in

470
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Speaker 1: the Green Party is like we're we welcome it. That's great,

471
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: but that I guess that's even though that does make

472
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: his campaign seem like it's not well planned out. I

473
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: don't really give a shit about that, Like we need

474
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Speaker 1: we need some chaos energy in here. And maybe it

475
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Speaker 1: means that he'd be willing to audible and run for

476
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Speaker 1: in the Democratic primary.

477
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Speaker 2: I don't think he should do that. I just don't think.

478
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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't someone like Cornell West, who's like

479
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 2: an avowed socialist, I don't like just like getting just

480
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: doing that dance. We see what happens when you come

481
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: from the left, like truly from the left and run

482
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: as a Democrat, Like they just they're just gonna fuck

483
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: you up and just just marginalize you. And I get

484
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: that we do need some kind of magnetic force to

485
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 2: pull Biden to the left, because I think that's really

486
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: the only thing that the Democrats have in terms of

487
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: like an evolution on policy. Like I get the need

488
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: for that, but there's part of me too, like cause

489
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: we talk about all the time about how are we

490
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: going to have like an effective, real third party that

491
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: like might represent like this whole cohort of progressives that

492
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: exist and like you know, leftists in the country, And

493
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: it's like you got to like we need to start

494
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: seeing some people enter Congress like that too, Like you

495
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: can't just be every four years we talk about this thing,

496
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: like we need some other ways to begin establishing some

497
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: roots within Congress. Also that creates some kind of viable

498
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: block of like a third party. And so that's why

499
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I do like I want him, you know,

500
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Speaker 2: I see the appeal in that, But part of me

501
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: is like it just seems a little bit short. It's

502
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Speaker 2: a little short sighted, but at this point we're like

503
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Speaker 2: we're just we're running out, Like I don't know, I

504
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 2: don't know what is gonna what the platform is going

505
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: to be at this point because right now the Republicans

506
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: are basically saying like, yeah, we don't need Medicare, Medicaid

507
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: or Social Security and things like that, and that's just

508
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: a gift to Democrats who just have to say, well,

509
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Speaker 2: I like it.

510
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Speaker 4: When Cornell was just such a like he's such a

511
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Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders and that he like I remember when Occupy

512
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 4: Wall Street started and I was in grad school in

513
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 4: Virginia and it was literally just watching Cornell West sitting

514
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 4: at Zukkat Park and talking to all these people and

515
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 4: just saying, this is like a loving crowd and everything.

516
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 4: And I like got on a fucking bus and went there.

517
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 4: You know, it's like he's got he's got like that

518
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 4: that special thing. But you know, I don't know, other

519
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 4: than pushing Biden left, it just doesn't seem like it's

520
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 4: going to happen, which is a bummer. But uh, you know, I.

521
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Speaker 2: Think because we get on this cycle. Yeah, because like

522
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: even right even with with Bernie in the last primary

523
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 2: and other other candidates with like slightly more progressive ideas

524
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Speaker 2: than Biden. Biden said those things, but when he got

525
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: in office, he didn't fucking do any of it. So

526
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 2: like in that word to say yeah, yeah, like so

527
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: in that sense, I'm like, I don't know what that

528
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: really gives us substantively, you know, And I think that's

529
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: where we have to kind of think a little bit

530
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: bigger here and just know like this, like we're forestuck

531
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: in this duopoly, but we have to be a little

532
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: more long, longer term and thinking like, Okay, how can

533
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: we how can we try and claw this kind of

534
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: thing back? And this is this is a conversation that's

535
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: been being had and debated for decades now.

536
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, But I mean Cornell West is also a

537
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: very young man at the age of seventy, So you know,

538
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: there's something to build here. We can build, you know,

539
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: do something with this campaign and then maybe next time, I.

540
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: Mean, who knows, maybe maybe he can't, you know. Like

541
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Speaker 2: I think that's what's what's potentially good too about him running,

542
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: is like he can just be just a socialist out

543
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: there talking about socialist policy and it is what it

544
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: is without him running as a Democrat and again triangulating

545
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 2: because he's running as a Democrat, So it's like, you know,

546
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a double edged sword when you look

547
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: at it. But again, I mean, like I've I think

548
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: he's I think he's a great mind and the kind

549
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: of person whose ideas are so sorely needed to be

550
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: discussed out in the open on like a national stage

551
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: for sure.

552
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and if nothing else, like just hearing that message,

553
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 4: even if it's not doing shit for the election, is something.

554
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 4: And hearing it said by someone who's so well spoken

555
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 4: and like an interesting person in that he's he uses

556
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 4: Christianity in such an interesting way, which I think is

557
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 4: like it is a doorway to more people, and that's something.

558
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's And I think there's been so much there's

559
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: been a lot of like argument too, because like he

560
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Speaker 2: I think he announced his candidacy on Russell Brands show

561
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: that people were like what another fuck no, but.

562
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Speaker 4: It's not it no, But I mean Russell Brand for

563
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 4: like a why there was a very different person and

564
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 4: maybe just hasn't fucking caught up to.

565
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like the last time I was twenty seventeen. Yeah,

566
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: since the pandemic oh, what the fuck is this? Now?

567
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Speaker 4: I love that Messiah stand up.

568
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he also like wrote an op ed

569
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Speaker 2: like a lot of he was getting criticism because you

570
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: wrote this op ed about like that. The Wall Street

571
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: Journal sort of used like one line of it to

572
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Speaker 2: make it seem like Cornell was heaping praise on Ronda Santis,

573
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: which he was very narrowly about one thing he did. Yeah,

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00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: and he and Cornell West was like, look, I disagree

575
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: with him on ninety eight percent of the issues, but

576
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: two percent I do agree that, like, you know, the classics,

577
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: teaching the classics, teaching the classics. I'm like, and then

578
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: part of me is like, well, but then I'm also

579
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: scratching my head. I'm like, don't give Ronda Santis not

580
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: even a rose pedal. No, we don't need to narrowly

581
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: agree with him like that. But he's trying to do

582
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: coalition building in at a time that's just so crazy,

583
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: Like like the person you're building a Yeah, I just

584
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: think it needs to be someone you like, I think,

585
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: a real but you know person that could have some

586
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: momentum to someone younger too, because you know, all of

587
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: these people are straddling the same eras and have different

588
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: ways of looking at politics, even Cornell West. It's like

589
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: it's a bit it's a bit different, especially for older

590
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: black people. Like we hear all the time about like

591
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: the whole respectability politics issue and where people fall in

592
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: line with that, and I think we just it's we're

593
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: just like looking at the options. I was like, Okay,

594
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: so whose grandpa is it? Right? And we just need

595
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: like we I think what's also missing is that youthful

596
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: energy which would capture even more people, because most people

597
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 2: just feel like they're being talked to by an elderly person. Yeah,

598
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: and it's like the fuck, man, you don't even know

599
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: what the fuck you don't know what the word yeat

600
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: means and.

601
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Speaker 4: You want to be president.

602
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Constitution out the window. It's just like one of

603
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: those things where I think that's also a huge, huge,

604
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: huge dimension to a candidate that's missing, Like someone younger

605
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: would is like us would get to capture a lot

606
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: more minds also, but you know, here we are, we

607
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: see what happens, like the establishment and the DNC, the

608
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: media can all come together and like you've always say, Jack,

609
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: like there's an aversion to anything left of the status

610
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: quo and it will purge it if you play within

611
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: that arena.

612
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's so much hunger for it. There's so much,

613
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: like I feel like handle correctly, he could run a

614
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: campaign that would get that would like build on Bernie's momentum.

615
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: Like the everything that we've heard about the Sanders campaign

616
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: of like twenty twenty is just that like it it

617
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: was the final wall. It was just like running into

618
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: the final wall. And I don't know, but it also

619
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: signaled that there's like a shitload of like public support

620
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: for a lot of these ideas. Yeah, and I just

621
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Speaker 1: I also feel like we are in a position for

622
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: something historically bad to happen with this president who is

623
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: just like so old and his vice presidential candidate. It

624
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: like there's just there's not a lot of like insurance

625
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: for like something that could go up in flames. We

626
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: we haven't bought home insurance. And it's like Kamala, So

627
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: like if he is physically not able to run in

628
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, it's going to be Kamala Harris. Like

629
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Speaker 1: that's a true like nightmare that could land you with

630
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: Trump as president in prison.

631
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Speaker 2: Like it's just it's.

632
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeahh but yeah, Day one he'd get himself out.

633
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it is just like we're living in

634
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: historically fucking wild times and and the fact that there's

635
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: not more flexibility or more kind of planning happening, and

636
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: it's just like, well, we can't acknowledge that there's anything

637
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: but the Democratic Party that it's just we're we're in

638
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: a bad spot.

639
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: It feels like heading into this one, yeah, people will

640
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: be pinching their noses to the fucking ballot box. Yeah,

641
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: because yeah, I mean like that's and that's why I

642
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: feel so hopeless, because like if you're if you're someone

643
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: who looks at the Democratic Party, you're like, this doesn't

644
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: fucking represent the fuck. I think like this is like

645
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: maybe three three percent of it, you know maybe Yeah,

646
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: But then and then your only option is to be like, well,

647
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: you know, the establishment comes together to make sure that

648
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: our only options are fucking just fascism now or like

649
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: slow creep to fascism with like can take cloth, you know,

650
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 2: like ye're taking a knee and in the rotunda, like

651
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: it's just yeah, it doesn't it doesn't feel good. It

652
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: doesn't feel good. But yeah, I think that's why it's like,

653
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Speaker 2: you know, building on finding another way to to sort

654
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Speaker 2: of form a proper insurgent like voting block like I

655
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Speaker 2: think is also critical to like a longer term like

656
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 2: idea of how we can just move past it, because

657
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm the Democrats aren't going to fucking hand the reins

658
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: over to like socialists.

659
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like some of the conversation has been

660
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: taken over by this like tactical like you know, the

661
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: political not not political activists, but like the political operative class,

662
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, how are you.

663
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: Going to build that thing?

664
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: And it's it feels like, well, I don't know, it

665
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: seems it seems impossible. You get into the like, well,

666
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: how exactly you're going to do it, and it feels

667
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: like somebody needs to provide the like why we're going

668
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: to do it? And then you know, yeah, people, people,

669
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: and the just sheer amount of energy that like what

670
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: will surprise people and the how will like kind of

671
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: figure itself out.

672
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: The thing that works against it is just the fear

673
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 2: people have of Republicans taking over everything. Yeah, which is

674
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: why so many people who are who aren't Republican voters

675
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: and are to the left of that or left of center, right, Yeah,

676
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: are you know every time you hear something about like,

677
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 2: well maybe if Corne no, he's gonna take votes away

678
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: from Biden, and then what's gonna happen? Yeah, and then

679
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen? Like that's all that's the knee jerk

680
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: response to someone like that has appeal entering, is that

681
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: they're just gonna get bashed down with like the fear

682
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: stick of being like, but then, but then Joe Byron

683
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: won't might not win, and that's not good because and

684
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: then you're right back to fucking your voting crypt every time. Yeah,

685
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: all right.

686
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court has upheld ICWA, the Indian Child Welfare

687
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: Act of nineteen seventy eight, which was aimed at preventing

688
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: Native foster children and adoptees from being separated from their

689
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: families and tribes. The vote was seven too, although the

690
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: Court didn't really engage with the challenger central argument that

691
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: the existing law unconstitutionally discriminates based on race because they

692
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: had not suffered a concrete harm and could not sue

693
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: was kind of their central idea.

694
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 2: But this all revolves.

695
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: Around like an evangelical Christian couple who are trying to

696
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: adopt a baby of Navajo and Cherokee descent, and they

697
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: were were able to still we're able to adopt the

698
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: baby despite ICWA, but they sued to challenge its constitutionality because,

699
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: as one of the parents wrote on her blog, the

700
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: law is destroying the hearts of children across the country

701
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: every day and it is devastating them.

702
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: But when you really but when you start picking it apart,

703
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with that at all. This

704
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: was entirely about taking away the authority of Congress to

705
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: protect the sovereignty of tribal land and people. And that's

706
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: why every sick fuck and corporation that has been as

707
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 2: a boner for taking like tribal land and shit lined

708
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 2: up to fucking represent these people. In the case, there's

709
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: fucking law firm that represented this these these couples pro

710
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: bone were the same people that were working with the

711
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 2: Dakota Access pipeline. Yeah, like this was they took them

712
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: on pro bono just out of the kindness of their heart,

713
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 2: because they cared about this couple and their children. There

714
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: are other clients, Chevron and Google. Yeah, and I think

715
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: that's why it's it's really like, you know, the opinions

716
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: were really interesting to see, like but Neil Gorsitch wrote

717
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: with pretty pretty decent summation of everything that was like

718
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: at stake here Alito and Thomas, Holy shit. Clarence Thomas

719
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: was like doing some made some debunked argument that didn't

720
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: make sense. Alito was like, I don't know, Like I think,

721
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: like white people, if they're good, like they should be

722
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: able to take like a baby from wherever. That's my

723
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: dissenting opinion. Uh, And the others are like, this is

724
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: absolute horseshit. I think it's important to note, right, like

725
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 2: the reason that whole the the the Indian Child Welfare

726
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: Act even came to be was because of like the

727
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: like very very implicit policy of cultural genocide in the

728
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: eighteen seventies with Indian boarding schools and taking kids away

729
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: and just taking just trying to assimilate the shit out

730
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: of these kids, so there's like no tribal identity. And

731
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: then on top of that, these places were funded off

732
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 2: the sales of tribal land, so shit was so fucking

733
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: backwards to begin with that this was like a small

734
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: step in just like upholding this sort of this sovereignty.

735
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's wild to think how many like corporations

736
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: were truly like they wanted at this because it would

737
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 2: weaken a lot of other things. It wasn't necessarily just

738
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 2: about you know, getting these babies into the right homes.

739
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 4: And what's so interesting if you do look in the

740
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 4: past of that, I think is like what we were

741
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 4: talking about with the two party system is like the

742
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 4: taking away of children was like a progressive stance because

743
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 4: the republican or not republican because it's changed obviously, but

744
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: like the conservative stance was like on a side, right,

745
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 4: and so it was like actually a progressive thing at

746
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 4: the time, which I think is like kind of shows

747
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 4: what we were talking about before, where we're choosing between

748
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 4: these two things and like one is like a slower

749
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 4: process of the same thing, right, And so I think

750
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 4: it's just, uh, yeah, this is a big win and

751
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 4: I'm so glad.

752
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah to two decisions man voting right now, Gail, I

753
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: guess what it is? So you think is it damage

754
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 2: control for the prior ship or is it a setup

755
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: move for something worse down the road, or.

756
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: Is it.

757
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 4: Why not?

758
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it does feel like a bit

759
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: of like damage control because they're like, yo, we're fucking

760
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: up bad. Like let's do some let's do the bare

761
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: minimum and uphold these things that are sort of the

762
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: tenets of you know what, our kind of our half

763
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: hearted society is here. And yeah, I don't know, it

764
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: definitely helps. I mean we haven't we haven't talked about

765
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: Harlan Crowe or Clarence Thomas's you know, h like financials

766
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: in a while.

767
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah you got he got that extension. He's got a

768
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: cool professor who was like, yeah, you can have an extension.

769
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: So thanks prof Thanks dude. All right, let's take a

770
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll come back, we'll talk Taylor Swift, we'll

771
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: talk a satanic panic stories.

772
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: We'll be right back, and we're back.

773
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: And so like this is just a story of like

774
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: the industriousness of the American spirit at this point, this

775
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: is this is the good, good news story. So Taylor

776
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: Swift concert tickets are impossible to get. So Swifties who

777
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: were shut out of the ability to go to the

778
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: show can now buy some loose confetti from the ones

779
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: who were able to go. All right, people who went

780
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: to the show, and presumably like some of this is

781
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: just they justly went to party city, right, but they're claiming,

782
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: they're claiming that they're taking. They're grabbing handfuls of the

783
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: confetti reselling it online. The pricing isn't that bad, It's

784
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: only thirteen dollars for a pack of ten. But my

785
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: reason for ten strips of fucking ten pieces of confetti

786
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: from the concert though, Miles, I don't think you understand.

787
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: It's from the concert to get to as we call

788
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: down the streets. You're buying a loose fetti for thirteen bucks.

789
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 3: Lucy's all right, by Lucy, Lucy's but much less popular

790
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: than buying you know, regular confetti is confetti.

791
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: Lucy's just a single loose piece of confetti for sure.

792
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're claiming, Like one seller pointed out that

793
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: the confetti is somewhat limited at the show, only floor

794
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: seats and maybe some of the one hund hundred sections

795
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: can even get confetti. It's just like such a perfect

796
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: encapsulation of It's like people who are already wealthy or

797
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: well connected enough to be on the floor at like

798
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: the hardest concert to attend in recent modern history are

799
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: just like gathering up the confetti from the ground. I

800
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: can tell you the trash from privileged world and sell it.

801
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's elite elite confetti. You guys, I I'm

802
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 4: going to tell you something that may undermine my credibility

803
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 4: on the show. But I have Taylor Swift tickets the

804
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 4: Seattle show. But the funny thing is is I was

805
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 4: able to get them. My partner and I were able

806
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 4: to get them first round. It was no problem. We

807
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 4: just got tickets. And then suddenly everything exploded and came

808
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 4: toppling down. And so I'll be gathering some loose confetti

809
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 4: and I'll send it to you. Don't I don't actually

810
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 4: have good seats though on any No.

811
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: I don't have to. I don't have a problem that

812
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: you're going to the Aras tour. I have a problem

813
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: that I have a problem that you can't get me

814
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: loose petty off the floor. That's my issue.

815
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 4: So get it together, please, Well maybe I can get

816
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 4: you know, maybe I can get in a fight for

817
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 4: you and else.

818
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, cause a headline something like that.

819
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: Another confetti salesperson pointed at that pointed out that people

820
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: are getting mad at her, but she's just following Taylor's

821
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: lead because Taylor Swift has created an insane business model,

822
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: a capitalist empire that's easy for people to jump on

823
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: and that fan is also flipping sixty five dollars tour

824
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: crew necks for two hundred dollars each. So I mean,

825
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: I I appreciate the hustle, Like these don't seem like

826
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: they're they seem like they're just trying to make money

827
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: to recoup the fact that they spent they might have

828
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: spent like an entire I check on this.

829
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: I just love the passionate defense of that Eddi salesperson

830
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,479
Speaker 2: that said Taylor Swift is created an insane business model.

831
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: People are getting mad that I'm selling confetti like thirty dollars,

832
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: But what's crazy is that A people are buying it,

833
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: and B you're in denial thinking Taylor Swift is not

834
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: a capitalist. That's right, Oh my god, Because yeah, I mean, like,

835
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: I've never seen somebody truly milk their audience like this

836
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: to be like, Yo, you could buy this album with

837
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: one extra song on it in a new album cover. Yeah,

838
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: and they're like yes, yes, I mean god, I wish

839
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: I I'm in the wrong business. I think I'm gonna

840
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: I might just go just to get some of this confetti.

841
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: The confetti, Like, I truly can't imagine anyone going through

842
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: the trouble of gathering up the confetti off the floor

843
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: and then like selling it for thirteen dollars for ten

844
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: strips like that?

845
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 2: How much?

846
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: Like are you bringing garbage bags with you? Like, I

847
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: just think this has to be some pants, cargo pants?

848
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: Where cargo pants. I've already thought this out, Jack, I've

849
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: got cargo pants. Whoever, I'm coming with us cargo pants

850
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: and we're stuffing them ships. Yeah.

851
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 4: Big, are these single pieces of confetti because the picture

852
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 4: does not have like a t scale scale pieces of confetti?

853
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 4: Are they small band aid size?

854
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: Like what are we saying?

855
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking band aids. I've never seen confetti. Like the

856
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: picture is really close up, really shows the texture, full

857
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: spectrum of colors too. Yeah, the colors are great.

858
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: It's a good are selling right now? Yeah, you guys

859
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 2: don't want to get it.

860
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: Honestly, I've purchased two packages twenty pieces of You said

861
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: that was an investment for your kids college.

862
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: It's for the future, and.

863
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 4: For sure get two dollars off if you buy three.

864
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, business business planning. But I mean, Jack, this

865
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: is the same thing like when those like wacky racist

866
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: people were like bottling up fucking splash Mountain Water before

867
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 2: they made it all woke.

868
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like they're only the same water. No,

869
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 4: I guess not. They're probably shutting it down for a while,

870
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 4: so who.

871
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: Knows either way. It's like you don't know what the

872
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: fuck if that's even what they're.

873
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 4: Selling you for.

874
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Like yeah, no you go to part not

875
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: you get like I'm putting this in the same category

876
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: of like it's not worth it to like carry that

877
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: shit out with you, Like it's just so annoying to

878
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: like be going to the concert and carrying out just

879
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: like loose handfuls of confetti enough to make it like

880
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,479
Speaker 1: worth getting, Like so you would have to have two

881
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: hundred to even get Like I don't know, it's just

882
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: you're making a three.

883
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: Oh, how do you pay for your like okay, can't

884
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: what's the formula to pay for your floor seat by

885
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: selling the loose stetti after like.

886
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: The margins on the sixty five dollars a piece for

887
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars each, Like that kind of makes sense,

888
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: but it's still like are you bringing are you bringing

889
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: a fucking fork left with you to the show? How

890
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: many of these shirts are you getting? So I feel

891
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: like these are all just grifters. Like the internet is

892
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: just oh yeah, so full of grifters. This is These

893
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: are not people who actually went to the concert. These

894
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: are people just taking advantage. Like there's also somebody selling

895
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: ziploc bags of eras tour air, which I think is

896
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: a joke.

897
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 2: But that's a great grift, man, Come on now. But again,

898
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: I but it's like, this is just this is where

899
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: we're at. It's like the same you see the same thing,

900
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: and every fandom, right, like especially with Trump. Trump grifts

901
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: his all of his fans. Yeah, and they grift each

902
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: the fuck out of each other, you know, because they

903
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: see like, oh shit, y'all buy anything. Okay, watch this,

904
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: y'all want Trump Bucks and people are fucking buying them

905
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: if you are. Okay, So floor seats for the Sofi

906
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: Stadium show in La thirty five hundred, So quick maths

907
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: on that. I need to sell like three hundred.

908
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: Bundles of food spand so you have to gather three

909
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: thousand pieces of fetti while you're there. Okay, So dollars

910
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: like a lot? Yeah that seems like a lot. Yeah,

911
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: all right, I'm not up on the feti game, but.

912
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: I mean, but or the smartest person are the workers

913
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: who have to clean up after the show, and when

914
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: they brooming that ship up, You're like, yeah, get that

915
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: in the bag. I could watch this that I can

916
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: sell it to someone who has left Earth and I

917
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: can sell to them on eBay.

918
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully that's that's who's doing enough, or hopefully it's

919
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: just a grifter.

920
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: What is it? What is something that would seemingly be

921
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 2: detritus to anyone else that you would pay actual dollars for?

922
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: Is there anything like that for either of you? Chelsea Jack,

923
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: Like if there was, even if it's something you thought of,

924
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: like oh, something from this movie or something from this

925
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: concert or this even if it was this artist's fingernail, right,

926
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: because I mean.

927
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: Somebody could get me seemen sample of Grimaces. Yeah, I've

928
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: got a I got a big hair collection. So it's

929
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: famous people that I don't talk that much about, but

930
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,959
Speaker 1: you've seen it. Yeah, yeah, I keep talking.

931
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 4: If I could get something from the Donner Party, that's

932
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 4: what I want. I have a big daughter party, scholar

933
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 4: and yeah, if I could get I don't know, I

934
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 4: get some like dirt from their cabin, I'd pay something.

935
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 4: I paid thirteen bucks for.

936
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, just off the strength of on me, like

937
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: you know this, Yeah.

938
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: This is.

939
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 4: Open there open their jacket and it's just.

940
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would I would probably buy like

941
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: like a roach that any like one of my favorite

942
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: rappers smoked. Oh yeah, I would like I would buy

943
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: one of those for like for cash. I mean, I'm

944
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: not gonna pay I'm not gonna pay like one hundred bucks.

945
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: But if someone's like, yo, man fucking met the man

946
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 2: was smoking this blunt, I was like, Okay, what do

947
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: you want to tell me?

948
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 4: You run out of weed? You just pop that in

949
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 4: your bong?

950
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh no, never, even when I'm like that's never,

951
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 2: I'll die sober before I sparked that Method Man, oh

952
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 2: Chop bought for fifty dollars from on eBay.

953
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, like whatever the cleaning crew took out of the

954
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 1: studio after like a legendary recording session would actually.

955
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: Be to have, like yeah, like even if it's like

956
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: a old Cuckoo Roo plastic bag exactly, remember Cuckoo Roo.

957
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can hear that bag crinkle on this way

958
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: in the uh torture sketch at the beginning of Method Man.

959
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the hobby Lobby Satanic display.

960
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that this.

961
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: Is like the most twenty twenty three story of the

962
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: day m hm.

963
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: And it comes to us all the way from Texas,

964
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: where an AI artist and member of the Satanic Temple

965
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: mind You used mid Journey AI to basically take images

966
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: like loaded images of the like aisles of Hobby Lobby,

967
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: and the prompt was Hobby Lobby selling Satanic products, And

968
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: what came out was stunning Bapa met demons, all the

969
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: golt legs, everything you could imagine that would make a

970
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: Christian person faint as they clutch their pearls. But yeah,

971
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: if you know Hobby Lobby, the hobby store for Christian

972
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: nationalists who like famously were like, We're not gonna pay

973
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: for fucking any kind of contraception, and we can discriminate

974
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 2: whoever the fuck we want to because that's our religious choice.

975
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: So this person, Jennifer Vineyard made it, just wanted to

976
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: fuck around with the AI and got these images and

977
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: first posted it to like an AI like art page,

978
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: and then other people just without even critically looking at it,

979
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: started reposting it on Facebook, like this one woman. You

980
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: can tell she's like reposting from something called ai art Universe. Yeah,

981
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: and then this listenman says, well, I guess even the

982
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 2: quote Christian owned companies can be bought for the right price.

983
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 2: Severely disappointed. Holy shit. I mean it's just I mean,

984
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: I get it. We're in another Satanic and nobody is

985
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 2: you know, just credulously sharing shit. But yeah, it's just

986
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 2: wold to see how quickly the thing spread. And then

987
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 2: again boom culture wars.

988
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: The size is the sizing is so far off. It's

989
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: really funny. Like the the sculptures, the like head, the

990
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: bust of Bafomet is like, you know, ten times the

991
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: size of the nearest thing. One of them actually looks

992
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: like they have little demons like sitting on a shelf

993
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: next to like air fresheners and shit and like live laugh,

994
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: love car. Yeah, like baby sized or like toddler sized

995
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: demons just sitting there like five times the size of

996
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: anything else in the hobby lobby that you can see

997
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: in the picture. And they're just like yeah, man, and

998
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: it's fucked up out there.

999
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: Huh. Yeah.

1000
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 4: If you go back to like the eighties Satanic panic

1001
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 4: and nineties, I think this is a great example of

1002
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 4: something that happens with an urban legend, and especially the

1003
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 4: Satanic panic is like it's called ostench, right, And it's

1004
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 4: like when there's already some kind of legend. Right, So

1005
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 4: if we think, okay, a town's already worried about a

1006
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 4: Satanic cult because you know, animals ate another animal weird

1007
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 4: and left its carcass there, or you know there's been

1008
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 4: a murder and nobody can explain it. So there's already

1009
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 4: this panic around Satanic colts. And so a teenager goes

1010
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 4: and that's what I see here, is like a teenager

1011
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 4: going and spray painting Satan lives on like an underpass.

1012
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 4: And then because this person's reacting to a panic that

1013
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 4: already exists and having fun with it and like fulfilling

1014
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 4: it and fucking with it, then it perpetuates the same

1015
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 4: problem because then the people who already believe in the

1016
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 4: legend take it seriously.

1017
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just exactly chatry to jump in here. Correct.

1018
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: Teenagers would never do something so callous and chaotic as

1019
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: to play into an existing urban legend just to fuck

1020
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: with people.

1021
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, not.

1022
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: Teenagers, not my teenagers.

1023
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 4: It is or those with a teen spirit who are

1024
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 4: making ai.

1025
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: R right, like who's apparently like a pharmacist in training

1026
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: in the article they like have like eyah, I'm trying

1027
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: to be a pharmacist, but also like fuck fuck this,

1028
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: like these people freaking out over shit. The comments on

1029
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 2: it are people said I haven't seen this in ours,

1030
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: but it's been a couple of weeks since I've been

1031
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: in there. That's insane. Another person had half a brand

1032
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 2: and said I'd have to see this in person before

1033
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: I'd believe it. Good for you, uh, dear Facebook user.

1034
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: Another one said, wow, now this is crazy. Did the

1035
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: Christian owners sail or are they just incompromise and cross

1036
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: the line and gone woke? This is absolutely insane and

1037
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: the line real Christians would never crossbody.

1038
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 4: Such a famously Christian change. That's what I love about,

1039
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 4: which I think that's why they did it, right.

1040
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: I love the prodding of it to be like, well,

1041
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 2: what about your sacred hobby lobby? Guess what they're in

1042
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 2: bed with Bahamet over there, like yeah, we have met anymore.

1043
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: There's another I just love this one. Screw Satanic people.

1044
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: Screw Satanic people. Look all I'm after they qualifying. Screw

1045
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: Satanic people. Look all I'm saying is that Satanic people

1046
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: are stupid and obviously you worst the damn devil. I

1047
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: think may have meant you worship the damn devil and

1048
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and that's disgusting. I could never And

1049
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: Satanic people can go work right really where they belong,

1050
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 2: which is hell, Yeah, okay, at least they're working.

1051
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody wants.

1052
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you're a Satanic person and then you've got

1053
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 2: you got your late for your shift. In hell, you're.

1054
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 4: Working twice as hard.

1055
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I mean, like, I don't hear this, This

1056
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 2: is this feels like more of what we're gonna see,

1057
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 2: more and more of shit like this to your point,

1058
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 2: like Chelsea of people already like on an edge or

1059
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 2: like on a on like a tight wire and all

1060
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: it's just a little bit of like visual stimulus to

1061
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: suddenly kick it right back in and be like, oh

1062
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 2: my god, this is true. I don't even know. I'm

1063
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: not even I can't even think critically anymore. This is true,

1064
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: is all I needed to see, because my confirmation bias

1065
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 2: said to.

1066
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 4: Three million, well do you guys think that this kind

1067
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 4: of thing is helpful or do you? Because I look

1068
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 4: at this sometimes and like as much as I don't

1069
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 4: want to feel this way, I'm like, ah, you're really like,

1070
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 4: I think this is funny. I think it's great to

1071
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 4: piss and out piss off and outrage and freak out people.

1072
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 4: But then it's like it does have the same effect

1073
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 4: of just adding to this story. So I just I

1074
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 4: don't know, and I don't think this person really meant

1075
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 4: that to happen, because it looks like it just was pulled, right.

1076
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 4: It was pulled from some yeah, and.

1077
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 2: Then they posted it like on Reddit and like on

1078
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: their own Facebook, and then just it took off on

1079
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 2: its own.

1080
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 4: But it wasn't a hoax, a purposeful hoax necessarily.

1081
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: I think it was probably half hearted. All see where

1082
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 2: it goes. See where it goes, because I'll make an

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Speaker 2: image that people will take seriously. Now what people do

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Speaker 2: with it after that? I mean, she said her one

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Speaker 2: regret was that she didn't spend more than ten minutes

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Speaker 2: making it. Is like some people were like, I see

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Speaker 2: pound signs next to the prices, Like, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if this is happening in the US then yet the.

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Speaker 1: People are like, oh no, yeah, because in other countries

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Speaker 1: like put pound signs next to prices.

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Speaker 2: To your point, Yeah, I don't know. I mean for

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Speaker 2: sure like it for it prolongs this this situation, uh

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Speaker 2: in people's minds, especially for the people who probably are

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Speaker 2: not thinking critically and are just like, yep, and that's yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's even Hobby Lobby. And then someone will tell them

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Speaker 2: that's fake and they're like, but i'd believe it if

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Speaker 2: it happened.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And then the fact that it's Hobby Lobby is

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Speaker 5: helpful to me because it's like you are like, if

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Speaker 5: you're going to weaponize this against something, then at least

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Speaker 5: it's against you know.

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Speaker 2: That's the only reason I even brought it up, because

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Speaker 2: if it was someone doing that shit in Target or whatever,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, this is like that. I don't I

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Speaker 2: see this pure cynicism in it. But because of Hobby

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Speaker 2: Lobby's you know, reputation as being an upstanding Christian company

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Speaker 2: that discriminates indiscriminately like it is, then I feel a

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Speaker 2: little less But I but I think it's an important thing.

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Speaker 2: And I guess for you, someone who looks at this

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Speaker 2: kind of thing, how could you like, is there anything

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00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 2: anyone could do to abbreviate something like this? Because it

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Speaker 2: seems like once it's out there, people are gonna believe

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Speaker 2: what they believe. And we see this and this especially

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Speaker 2: post truth era we live in, where even if they're

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Speaker 2: presented with the truth, they still pivot to something like yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I could see how it would would be real and.

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Speaker 4: It just yeah, yeah, I mean it's a million dollar question,

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Speaker 4: I think, And I mean I always solve this, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: how do we te grid of the Satanic panic? Since

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Speaker 4: we did it so well before? But I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I mean I go back and forth because it does

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Speaker 4: feel like an uphill battle that's possibly. I mean, this

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Speaker 4: is a this is so ancient. This is an ancient thing.

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Speaker 4: I mean if you go back to like even Jewish

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Speaker 4: blood libel with Christian saying okay, Jewish people are Satanic

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Speaker 4: and they're sacrificing children, and you know, this is like

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Speaker 4: a thousand years or more. So it's like, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I think it's just like we were talking about with

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00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 4: moral panics all over the world. This is just the

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Speaker 4: most entrenched thing because you're dealing with what you consider

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Speaker 4: the biggest evil, right, and so when you have this,

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Speaker 4: especially like you have like a Satanic child killer of

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Speaker 4: some kind, which apparently we all are. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: easy then to justify whatever you want to do, and

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Speaker 4: so I don't think people are going to let go

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Speaker 4: of the ability to demonize literally an entire group of

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Speaker 4: people or entire political affiliation or whatever, and then you know,

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Speaker 4: justify whatever they want to do in retaliation to that evil.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know if it's I think, you know,

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Speaker 4: sometimes I get pissed off at certain celebrities that really

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Speaker 4: play into sort of the satanic Illuminati thing as a lark,

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Speaker 4: But I do think it has a lot of negative

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Speaker 4: effects for people who aren't like massively rich celebrities in

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Speaker 4: small towns, who might say, okay, like this is connected

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Speaker 4: to gay people because a gay artist has like really

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00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 4: played into the satanic thing. I think that that can

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Speaker 4: have some damage, But I would never say that it's not.

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Speaker 4: I don't know it's I really tow a line there

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Speaker 4: of not being sure, because I do feel like sometimes

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Speaker 4: it trickles down and does harmful things to really play

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Speaker 4: into that. But at the same time, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if it really truly makes a difference or if it's

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Speaker 4: just entrenched and always going to be there.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the fact that these are all like

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Speaker 1: the sizing is off. Everything's like just a little too stupid,

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Speaker 1: Like I think that makes it extra fun and worth while.

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Speaker 1: Like I have no notes on this because it's inherently

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Speaker 1: like it's exposing the stupidity of the people who would

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Speaker 1: get mad at this by being like this is the

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Speaker 1: hobby lobby is selling these like life sized satan ensconss

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Speaker 1: next to Yankee candle decorations.

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Speaker 4: And it's not even Halloween.

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Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, just.

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Speaker 1: Bot of that head in the middle of the fucking

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Speaker 1: lamp aisle is so they're.

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Speaker 4: They're not even baphomets. Really, I don't even know. They're

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Speaker 4: like dark angels with wings coming out of their heads.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like one god, one goady head, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: a lot are just sort of vague ai demonic regalia.

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Speaker 1: I truly have no notes on I think they should

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Speaker 1: have a second thought about, like whether they should have

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Speaker 1: spent more time on it, because I think they spent

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Speaker 1: just the exact right amount of time. I think is

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Speaker 1: like one of the last like things that one.

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Speaker 2: Of the last things we have before.

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Speaker 1: The Yeah, like we we have to like create truth

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Speaker 1: that is like I don't know, we.

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Speaker 2: Need for comfort. Yeah, I think, if anything, go harder

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Speaker 2: and make it, like, go for the most unbelievable thing

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Speaker 2: possible where it's like they're selling Jesus and Baphomet sixteen

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Speaker 2: nining golfs in the kids aisle at hobby lobby like

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Speaker 2: here they are and people, I mean, I'm sure it's

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Speaker 2: just so funny because people are like, so, it's just

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01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 2: it is. Again, it's like horrifying too that some people

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01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: are really like, yep, those are the stakes and that's

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Speaker 2: the situation. I mean, they are making this kind of stuff. Yeah,

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01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 2: it's like wow, okay, well anyway, but I like through

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Speaker 2: satanic people.

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Speaker 4: Look, you're gonna get so many comments where words that

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Speaker 4: shouldn't be capitalized are and it's just complete capitalization anarchy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, totally, Yeah, I do. I do love that

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Speaker 2: it was a satanic was treated as a proper adjective. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, so again this person woke moralists? Is that?

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Speaker 1: Is that what that quote was from Jordan Peterson? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: go to hell, woke moralists. It's not on my quote

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Speaker 1: of the day calendar I have for Oh yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: coming up though, just coming away, Chelsea is such a

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Speaker 2: Is there a work of media you've been enjoying?

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Speaker 4: Bone Valley and it's an investigative kind of true crime podcast.

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Speaker 4: a good way and it's about kind of a false conviction,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, I would recommend it. I won't say too

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Speaker 4: much more about it, but that would be my heartful recommendation.

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Speaker 2: but that's what it is in my heart. And if

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Speaker 1: information that we talked about in today's episode as well

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Speaker 1: as a song and we think you might enjoy, Miles,

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Speaker 1: is there a song that you think people might enjoy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I just like just Stereo Lab, one

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Speaker 2: of my favorite bands, and also like one of like

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Speaker 2: when people sample Stereo Lab, it's it warms my heart.

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Speaker 2: But I just want to go out just on like

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Speaker 2: one of my favorites tracks. It's called the Flower called Nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Check it out Stereo Lab, something nice, vampy and also

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Speaker 2: like just like a good track to listen to go

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Speaker 2: into your weekend. So here's Stereo Lab, the Flower called Nowhere.

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Speaker 7: with a roundup.

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Speaker 2: Of Long Weekend and we will talk to you all.

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