WEBVTT - Dave Weigel & Faiz Shakir 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.520 today's best minds. Donald Trump has rescinded almost all of 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.960 Joe Biden's executive orders. We have such a great show 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:20.320 for you today, Samophoores, Dave Weigel stops by to talk 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:25.239 about what is going on in American politics, Donald Trump 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:31.280 and his inauguration. Then we'll talk to Faiz Shakir about 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:36.600 his run to head the Democratic National Committee. But first 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:37.559 the news. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.000 So Mali yesterday, so much happened. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.240 We basically have to just pick up where we left 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.640 off and start talking about some more of the things 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:47.199 that are. 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:48.640 Unfolding before us. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.600 The first of which I will shock you is changes 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.120 to DII and I don't mean Don Eric and Evanka. 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:00.160 Nobody has never thought it was Don Eric and Evanka. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.160 So what are you talking about? That's what it. 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:06.959 Is, Donald Trump. I can't believe you anyway. That's like 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:09.520 the worst dad joke ever, Donald Trump. 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:10.400 That's why I did it. 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:15.360 Yeah, has declared war on DEI. Now again, this is 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:21.080 all this Christopher Rufo stuff about fighting against diversity, fighting 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:25.640 against inclusion, fighting against equity. Think about how insane. It 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:31.240 is that somehow, this affluent white guy who has been 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:35.560 born into money is trying to make things more fair 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:40.080 by taking away one of the little bits of things 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:44.119 that we have in this country. To try and protect 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.880 people of color anyway and people who are from diverse backgrounds, 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.480 he has put all ordered all all US government staff 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:58.240 working on DEI to be put on immediate paid administrative leave. 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.680 So that means people who are like working on DEI 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:07.560 in the army, that means people who are tangentially related 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.359 to DEI. In an executive order issued on Tuesday, Trump 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:16.639 called for an end to dangerous, demeaning and immoral programs. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:21.240 I mean, George Orwell would be so jealous of the 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.480 kind of double speak that Donald Trump engages in on 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.919 the regular and since re taking office on Monday, the 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:34.840 President has acted swiftly to use his executive orders to 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:40.959 target diversity, equity, and inclusion. Because that's just the kind 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:41.320 of guy. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:41.680 He is. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.520 Great stuff, really really happy all this is happening. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:50.240 Yeah, oh yeah, hitting it on all for cylinders. Yes, continue, 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:51.640 let's turn that around. 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.800 So yesterday, at the Washington National Cathedral, the episcopal Bishop 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.520 Reverend Maryann bud gave a speech that let's say it 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:03.800 means JD Viz, Donald Trump, Malania and nushevit's uncomfortable. What 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.600 I would say is the snowflakes seemed very triggered. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.920 Yeah, they really did. I just want to point this out. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:15.359 What made them uncomfortable was her saying, you have felt 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:18.239 the presidential hand of a loving god, the name of 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.920 our God. I ask you to have mercy. This is 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.680 literally what she's saying that's getting him so upset. I'm 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.160 asking you to have mercy on the people in our 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:28.239 country who are scared. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:28.480 Now. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:33.280 This okay, I'm asking you to have mercy on the 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.160 people in our country who are scared. 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:35.440 Now. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.840 This is the thing that got them so upset. I'm sorry, 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.160 but really, that's the thing that got everyone mad. 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.160 Molly, you're missing something. What the president said. She was 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.160 in nasty in tone, in not compelling or smart. You 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:50.720 know that thing offends him. 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:51.880 What offends him? 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.520 Wouldn't people say things in nasty tones and are not 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:55.960 compelling or smart, right? 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.160 Not compelling or smart. Yes, he does not like it 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.960 when people have a nasty tone. Even though the sixty 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.080 five year old is the first woman to serve as 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.680 the spiritual leader of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington. She 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:13.400 led the diocese since two thousand and eleven. She worked 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.240 in the Episcopal Church in Minneapolis. She's an alumni of 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:21.039 the University of Rochester. She's quite smart, She's not particularly 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:27.280 partisan anyway, She's going to end up in Gimo. God 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.839 bless you, Bishop Bud, and take some hair products with 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:31.800 you to Cuba. 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:32.360 Oh boy. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.919 Well, speaking of going to foreign countries, Trump has authorized 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.440 ICE to target courthouses, schools, and churches. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.400 So he had talked about this during the campaign. Here's 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:46.320 the problem with cruelty is that it doesn't play well 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.880 on television. So Trump has a problem. Now he has 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.880 a base that wants him to be cruel, a base 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.279 that he has promised he will be cruel too, right, 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:00.279 and then everyone in America now has a all most 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.559 not obviously everyone, but a lot of people have phones, 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.839 and a lot of those phones have cameras, and a 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.919 lot of those phones take video. So we're going to 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.800 see so many videos of children being pulled out of schools, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.760 of crying mothers being pulled out of hospitals and churches. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.839 You tell me if the reality television president enjoys the 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:22.200 programming of people being pulled out of schools, hospitals, and churches. 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.960 I think that this is going to be incredibly hard 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:29.279 to square, especially when he has these new corporate overlords. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.200 I am right there with you speaking of other things 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.680 that I don't think are going to go as well 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.520 as they planned. And really we already have evidence of 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:41.799 that on day two of the presidency. DOGE is shaping 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.400 up to be not so hot ah Doge. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.200 DOGE is not without its problems. So here we are 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:53.080 in doge Land. It's a group that is focused on 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:57.880 government efficiency and also making a meme a government office. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:58.719 Well a meme coin. 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.400 It's also it's both a meme and a coin and 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:07.440 a meme coin. Congratulations ladies and gentlemen. DOUGE is run 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.720 by the first Budy one, Elon Mush. And what's pretty 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.360 interesting about DOGE is that it is so efficient it's 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:19.880 already gotten rid of its COHD Viveke Ramaswami. Now the 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.839 stories of why a Veke left are still coming to 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:28.720 the foreground, but it was not without its problems. Correct. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.839 What it seems really is is people always forget that 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.920 egos in a room only have finite space and the 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.200 room was not big enough for everyone's egos. 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.160 Yes, let me tell you what else is going on here. 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.840 So first we have the Veke is gone, he's back 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.800 in Ohio. He's going to run for governor in two years. 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.400 But this is sort of how they're spinning it. But 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.400 now Elon is the boss, and he seems to have already. 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:56.880 The reporting is that he has a White House email 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:01.480 address already, which is pretty exciting for the first Budy. 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:07.800 He also has a lot of clearance and information, and 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:11.320 there are people who suspect that maybe he has more 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:16.840 clearance and information than he should. But he's spending his time, 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:23.360 as we would hope, still on Twitter, because really where 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:27.520 else should he be but Twitter? And the good news 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:33.200 is on Twitter. He is fighting about open Ai because 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:38.239 Elon Musk doesn't get along so well with the open 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:43.000 Ai crew. So shortly after President Donald Trump announced a 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:47.440 massive AI infrastructure investment from the White House, by the way, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.280 with soft Bank. You'll remember in season one of the 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:54.400 Trump Presidency, Donald Trump also did a big thing about 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:56.120 something he was going to do with soft Bank. Soft 0:07:56.120 --> 0:08:00.400 Bank definitely loves Donald Trump, so they don't actually have 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.280 any money. Musk wrote on his social media platform formally 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:08.560 known as Twitter. SoftBank has well under ten billion dollars secured. 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.520 I have that on good authority. Aitherway, Elon could just 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.760 write a check tomorrow. But okay, Trump said the investment 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.360 will create a new company called Stargate to grow artificial 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.200 intelligence infrastructure in the United States. The leaders of SoftBank, 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.560 Open Ai, and Oracle, which is also owned by a 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:29.400 Donald Trump Megadnor Larry Ellison, stood alongside Trump during the announcement. 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.760 The company's will invest one hundred billion in the project 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:36.120 to start. Okay, Elon Musk writes in a tweet, they 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.640 don't actually have any money, and then he follows up, 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.040 SoftBank has well under ten billion secured. I have that 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.679 on good authority. Now. Sam Altman, who is the guy 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:52.439 who runs open Ai and is also got very good, 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:58.000 funny hair like Justin Bieber, wrote a tweet wrong, as 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.760 you surely know want to come. Is it the first 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:05.679 site already underway? Question Mark, this is great for the country. 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.000 I realize what is great for the country isn't always 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:13.439 optimal for your companies. But in your new role, I 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:18.080 hope you'll mostly put America first. And there you have it. 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:23.920 News being made in real time by tech billionaires communicating 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:29.800 to each other on their platform. Makes the cuckles of 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:37.679 my heart war. Dave Weigel is a reporter at Semaphore. 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.920 Welcome back to Fast Politics. 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.560 Dave, Hey, you going to be back. Thank you? 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.280 Tell me where you are right now and what's going on. 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.000 Oh, I am in the capital right now, Gus. There's 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:52.319 some echo. That's the reason why. And I've been talking 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.480 to people about various Trump executive orders from their perspective, 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.080 obviously no one in Congress is and make it an amazing 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.000 position to Gallon's these things, but trying to cover the 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.200 implications of what Trump is doing with his pen. 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.800 So you're just sort of in post executive order. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.800 Hayes, No, not a Hayes, just trying to reford on 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:13.880 what's happening a lot. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.640 So let's talk about what There were almost one hundred 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:19.840 on Monday, is that correct? 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:22.880 Close to one hundred, Well, actually so seventy eight that 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.760 were just about undoing various Biden executive orders. That wasn't 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.160 the conclusion of that. There have been series of orders 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.400 since then, the undo what Biden did, what the previous 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.680 presidents did on some of the different priorities. Like getting 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:35.160 ready to be the. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.440 E and then tell me what the other ones were. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.400 There were some that were trying to rewrite the constitution. 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.240 I think you're referring to the. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.439 Fourteenth Amendment one, the birthright citizenship. 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.080 That's a good one to focus on because this is 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:53.560 the difference between the first Trump term and the second. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.040 Trump talk about doing that for a long time in 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:57.920 the first term. I think really two years of that 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:00.200 term elapsed after he talked about it, but now were 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:04.880 actually acted. And then the idea behind the second term 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.000 was He's going to come in with a great idea 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:08.920 what to do. This would have happened, I think Eddie 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:10.719 one in twenty twenty. There are a lot of these 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.480 orders that are also picking up balls that were dropped 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:15.880 the end of his sort of term. There were new staffers, 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.880 more i would say, more magas staffers, people who were 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:20.920 more idy allegedly aligned with him, because you know the 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.440 basic story, there were all these Republican veterans who weren't 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.040 on board of the agenda, and by the end of 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.559 the term and certainly after the election, and tons that 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.120 were on board with the agenda. Their old life is 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:30.840 his agenda. So you pick out a lot of that, 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.280 and that this furk relationship measure. It could have been 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.920 done at any time, but he didn't have a six 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.280 to three conservative majority on the Supreme Court really until 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.360 his final weeks as president, and this being done immediately 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.520 tease it up. Have already been challenging fort by different 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.360 immigrant rights organizations. This fesed up some sort of legal showdown, 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.520 and the worst case scenario is that if a president 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.040 that upholds the old president. There are many good, if 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:57.199 you're Trump, scenarios where they allow some changes because he 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.920 shot the moon on this and redefined perfeatesist ship is 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.840 something that would not, for example, belonged to Kamala Yris 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.760 because she was born in America that needed her. Both 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.040 parents at the time were full time naturalized citizens and 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.080 not natural born citizens. You can imagine the court saying, well, 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.320 that's fine, but we agree that if you're just born 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.360 in the country, two people have no legal status whatsoever. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:19.959 That is how you didn't get in to the court. 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.240 You ask for a lot, they'd give you anything that 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.040 would still be in advance from their perspective on what 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:25.880 they were used to. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:30.120 Yeah, it's funny because it feels like the immunity decision 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:34.320 Trump versus United States, where Trump went in just you 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.720 know and said I'm a king and they were like, 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.600 they were like sure, that was a great example. And 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.200 even like when Trump went to the Supreme Court and 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:47.240 said he shouldn't be sentenced, that was another situation where 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:51.200 Trump made a case that was well beyond the range 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.520 of normal and it worked for him. 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.040 Yes, and that's you're running through a lot of democratic 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.440 responses and their Republican confidence to what's happening. Had always 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.160 accused of overstepping his bounds, and we wait until the 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.520 court says that he isn't and he has better luck 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.920 with ports than George Joe Biden, norm Barack Obama did. 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:09.800 This is in the first term. It played point out 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.000 a lot of people getting angry about extra constitutional sounding 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.120 things that Trump was doing. We're in talking about the 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.680 nine O decisions. They're reversing different Obama orders. He tried 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.320 to spend Dakota basically even more migrants and didn't work. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.720 That's the idea here is you have, for the first 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.679 time in Conservatives memory, a six to three majority in 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:31.400 the court. Even if you look at what they're trying 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.319 to do with LGBT rights, they had a the last time, 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.040 as we decided in point age twenty five to four 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.680 conservative majority at three one, and so that you know 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.839 the boss Stock decision. Would that be reversed completely or 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.200 would they as happened a lot with abortion adjusts the precedent, 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.480 you know, casey doesn't no return row, but it limits it. 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.200 Death by Falcon cuts to a lot of these civil 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.200 rights law that Democrats, well, I guess the whole country 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.400 it was relying on by the end. But what can 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.079 you attack for one angle? And how it really can 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:00.240 you attack it? That's a lot out of this. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.840 Herey here, yeah, where are you right now? Are you 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:03.840 in the house. 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.640 I'm in the house. I'm gonna hallway with some noise 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.720 behind me, although not nembers of Congress or anything. 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:12.079 But I was watching on c SPAN today. I'm contractually 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.679 obligated to mention c SPAN. I'm just kidding, I'm not, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.600 but I love c SPAN because it's so good. I 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.800 was watching this c SPAN the hearing today where they 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:25.840 were talking about this fourteenth Amendment and the range of 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.440 excuses that Republicans were offering for the reasons why they 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:34.040 wanted to repeal the Fourteenth Amendment were pretty wild. 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.480 I measure, I understand the question was what was wild? 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.400 The question is that we're seeing in the House right now, 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:45.200 they're hearings about immigration, and they are sort of in 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:49.880 this discourse is coming up this Trump executive order, which 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.920 is basically to repeal the fourteenth Amendment or to cut it. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.840 And one of the things that I'm struck by when 0:14:55.880 --> 0:15:00.200 I listened to these backbenchers and even frontbenchers try trying 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.640 to sell this idea. I mean, obviously the American people 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.400 are not watching c SPAN, but they're not unified on 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.080 a message more than just let's try this. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:13.960 That's true. You have to just think of these things 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.440 happening on different tracks. This executive order, period before bills 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.760 have been passed, is about testing these limits. The Fourteenth Amendment, 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.200 Birth ray Citizenship Order is a great example of that. 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.400 And Republicans don't need to They'll say this because the 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.880 leg had a lot of questions about various decisions Trump 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.320 made already on Vinguary six on refugees, and they said 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.160 they don't second guess them, and what about democrats. I 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.000 was almost doing that by accident and saying the responsible 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.080 a lot of the immigration orders, Well, what about what 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.720 Obama did with DOCA DOC is something that was held 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.200 up in courts, surprising people. What would happen to another 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.640 challenge in that which is actually a question Democrats have 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.560 to ask themselves if they want to litigate any change 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.560 in Trump with making as we speak, like, what happens 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.160 when you kick this precedent of actually the you can 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.600 let migrants stand in the country and definitely with this court, 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:59.480 they don't know yet, they're not optimistic. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.960 So let me ask you a question as we're sort 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.800 of in this talk to me about what's happening with DOGE. 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:11.360 Government agency is so efficient it's already lost its co had. 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:16.080 Yeah, the fight that happened behind the scenes between Elon 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.840 and the ak Ramaswami fatly sits maybe a big word 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.160 for it, though it did end with evapcating out of 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.840 this thing, was over whether this should be an agency 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:26.760 folded into the White House with somebody who's not an 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.920 employee the government running it, or something else that would 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.000 be under different different restrictions. Elon won, and so the 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:37.120 question that Democrats are asking there, even as they cooperate 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.680 with elements of the DOGE idea, is okay, there are 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.240 actually rules for what a committee needs to do, if 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:44.760 it's put into place and it has the power to 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.560 recommend change, is you need to at least what is discussed. 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:49.600 You need to have some transparency. They're not doing any 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.400 of that. That's where it is right now. And in 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.080 the Congress, Rodens have a Doge shoxus that they've invitvated 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.960 Democrats to join. It exists, it hasn't proposed anything. There 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.280 really isn't anything yet rolling out that is a cut 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:05.720 or recision in government spending that Republicans are ready to pass. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.199 If you were watching the Capital One parade rally that 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.240 Trump signs orders at, he was handed the one about 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.240 getting rid of anything related to the Green New Deal, 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.320 and the man Hammerton said, this will stay the trillion dollars. 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.000 It won't. You won't do that at all. And that 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.600 made me wonder if some of the idea here is 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.000 to announce giant savings, get some headlines about it, and 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.639 not actually fast though okay, would probably not be that 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.600 popular in the bond markets, but that's what you that's 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.400 what you're getting right now. It's no specific changes ideas 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.520 about how things could be cut. You saw this with 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.800 Doge and early Base one of their ideas was you 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.720 can cut lots of at least for spending once you 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.520 get rid of this interest on the debt and everyone 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.359 can looked at bad said yes, but you need to 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.080 cut things so that you don't get you But that's 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:47.199 why we've maay the interest on it. 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.000 Right, And this is really where I wanted to go to. 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.320 Can you explain to me? The DOGE has members of 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:59.600 Congress MTG who you may remember as being completely a 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.960 person who exists to be on cable news. She is 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:04.359 in this committee right. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.439 Even the committee. The committee is separate from the So 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.640 there's a House sorry i should say a House caucus, 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:14.520 and then there is the DOGE agency and their separate entities. 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.800 Not neither has actually proposed anything yet. The House one 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.720 is just it is really unclear what it's going to do. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.720 Because it's a month ago. Republicans were set really burring 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:28.679 spending cuts and saying we're waiting for the AGD on 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.760 theseulvesful willing thought, and that's still the position. It's it's 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.719 really up up in the air. It's strong I'd say 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.800 less of ten than a month ago, because it's already 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.720 not new and the story of it more is is 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.560 this going to do anything rather than this is going 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:40.760 to pick all our problems? 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:45.000 Right, So that is actually a radical departure because Elon 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.280 said it would save two trillion dollars, right, and then 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:49.520 he sort of backed off. 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.040 That's a fair way to push it. Yeah, But so 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.439 it exists, it has a full time staff that's going 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.840 to littlebanks. It actually the way and now is kind 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.080 of a They took a pre existing government agency inside 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.920 the White House and they renamed it DOJE. There have always, 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.880 not always, but really since Bill Clinton and these efforts 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.960 to look at waste potential ways to reduce government spending. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.000 It's just a version of that. The actual things cut 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.119 so far that are worth looking at are the orders 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.840 that are shutting down DEI programs inside the federal government 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.720 at every level. However, they're not shut down yet right now, 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:28.000 they're paying DEI employees to not work and then ideally 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:28.840 shutting things down. 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.480 That's a really good point talk to me about the 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.439 sort of big structural changes from Trump one point zero 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.720 to Trump two point zero. So we talked about this 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.240 idea that the Republicans are really on bortant now, and 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.040 we had a vank and Jared in one point zero. 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:47.320 But besides Elon structurally, how is it different. 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.680 Because of the kinds of people being appointed to positions 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:55.040 that were filled before by more experienced Republican hands. So 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.480 you had in the last eight years a generation of 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.879 Republicans either young people who had not worked in politics before, 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:03.680 or sort of think tankers who wouldn't have been hired 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.040 in the old review. I'm thinking stuff like the Quincy Institute, 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.120 a kind of anti war think tank, who are now 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.720 being invited into the administration. Before you would have had. 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.320 Really those guys are being invited. That is shocking to 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.040 me because they are very lefty in a way. 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.399 Yeah, people who have worked with them and would have 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.960 been persioned on growd up previously, but now they're allowed in. 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:24.400 That is the wing of the movement that worked best 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.720 with Trump. They don't put out a press release every 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:28.600 single person that are in the federal government. We know it. 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:30.800 One of the goals of the Trump campaign and of 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.720 the outside Product twenty twenty five was, let's find a 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:36.800 list of conservatives who are aligned with this agenda and 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:38.600 won't undermine it. Let's find a list of people we 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:40.119 can get rid of, you know, So one thing that 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.960 was being done before the election, really no matter who 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.480 one was being done was the Heritage Foundation filing four 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.920 requests and trying to find emails from government employees job title, 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.160 things like that that would be a flag for let's 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.240 say Wokeness to give Berryer fork. Well, we're looking for 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:00.680 every email that talks about, for example, burning people. If 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:02.600 somebody used that, then we're going to find a way 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:04.479 to get rid of them once Trump dakes over. There 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:06.359 was a lot of that happening, but it's it is 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:09.920 happening in I guess the absolute of slow motion. It's 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:12.640 happening very quickly and without a bunch of press releases 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.600 saying here's who we fired. I mean, that's frankly, that's 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:18.800 a reporting jobs to talk to people and figure out 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:20.840 who has been hired. That's a lot like the first 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:22.600 term of the differences is not chaotic. You don't have 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.399 to people leaking even these executive orders. It's not just 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:29.320 that they were ready, but the strategy of the transition 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.760 and before that the campaign was to not talk that 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:33.960 much about the specific things that would be done unless 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:35.879 they were super popular. So you talked a lot about 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.760 getting rid of gender inclusive language in the federal Code, 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:41.679 So you ran on that who's doing it? But there 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:45.879 was so much fairer reporting on these strategies. Who was 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:48.080 behind brod or twenty pay five? What was Russ the 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.000 Vote saying on podcasts about what do you want to 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:52.399 do all this? Actually, if you are watching some of 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:54.880 the hearings, just being quoted back to the nominees, Hey, 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:56.680 you said you said you'd do this, you said you'd 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.720 ignore this law. They kind of stopped doing that during 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:02.680 the last stretch of the election, and people who were 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:05.119 wanted into a role because of the trauma campaign said 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.119 in a disingenuous way, We're not going to hire anyone 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.440 involved with this. They were, they always were. We Rough 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:14.800 Vote literally was helping write these executive orders for Heritage's 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:16.320 pretty well known, but it's one of those things that 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:17.680 I wrote about. 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:19.320 Well. 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:22.280 Russ Vote was helping work on executive orders as part 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.680 of the project, but they weren't releasing them because they 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:26.600 saw it that putting all the plans out in the 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.440 Project twenty twenty five book were unhelpful because the reporters could 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:31.840 write about them, and even just right now as I'm 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.159 writing on pieces of it, I'm going back to Project 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.479 twenty five. It's on the website. I can see things, 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.000 not word for word, but for example, I think I'm 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:41.800 going to focused on it today rolling back lbj's Executive 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:45.919 Order on affirmative Action, which so insane. Nixon changed it 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:47.239 but didn't get rid of it, but a series who 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:49.760 Arobic presidence left that in place. Well, that's in there too, 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.359 one of the recommendations of Product twenty twenty five. So 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:55.560 none of this was surprising. They just changed the emphasis. 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:57.720 And you run a campaign based on what's going to 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.879 get you elected, not how specific you can be about 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:01.760 your agenda. 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:04.720 Right, No, that's a very good point. It's not about 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:08.480 being specific on your agenda. It's about getting elected. And 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:10.840 that was what was smart about Trump. So I want 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.919 to get back to this Quincy Institute because I'm like 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.040 a little obsessed with it, because it was this think 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:20.399 tag that started during the first actually think it grew 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:24.240 during the first Trump admin and it was basically a 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:31.480 sort of combination liberal libertarian effort to avoid foreign wars. 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:35.040 Correct, it was, And I wouldn't overstate how many people 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:36.919 are in the administration of this saying are people with 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:39.960 connections to that being hired for foreign policy roles over 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.920 people who are more pawkish on the record. The specific 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:46.000 person is Michael Demino. He was the guy who'd been 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:48.880 critical of the way he is. Reel responded to October seventh, 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:52.280 and that's not a firing or offense to keeps you 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.560 out of the door right now, because he's in line 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:57.640 with the Trump agenda of not new. Too much effort 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:01.440 has been Trump but through strength, like we're going to 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:03.360 let Israel get away with a lot. We were going 0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:05.560 to keep giving them arms, but we're going to look 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:07.520 tough so that they're rand it and try anything as 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:09.600 opposed to we're going to try to rechain into regime 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:10.400 by starting war work. 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:10.800 The rant. 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.280 Yeah, one of the things that I think is really interesting, 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.600 and I'm hoping you could make it make sense, is 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:20.919 that one of the hallmarks of Trump's governing is that 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:24.960 it's erratic, not ideological, and largely dictated by the last 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:28.200 person he spoke to Project twenty twenty five. I mean, 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:30.840 we just did a big documentary on it in July, 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.320 so we've spent a lot of time studying it and 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.720 talking to academics about it, and it's largely a dismantling 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:40.679 of the administrative state, including the federal government. Make it 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.159 so small that you can drat it in a bathtub, 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.280 show the people that it never worked to begin with. Okay, 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:49.080 so how do you have and again this is the 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:51.080 thing I keep asking, how do you have a tenth 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.640 that's so big that these things run contrary to each other, 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:55.320 don't they? 0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:59.560 I hadn't thought about that because that's the rug and 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:02.680 party run by Trump. Nothing is contradictory if Trump says 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:04.080 that he knew if he changed his mind on it. 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:06.800 The spending piece of this is the really incoherent stuff, 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.680 where there is an assumption and a promise that they're 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:11.840 going to Trump Vivis in the first term, he's going 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:13.800 to get rid of the debt somehow, and nothing they 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.679 proposed would actually was the devonstat it's all tax pets. 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.680 It starts there, really, and I would say Democrats didn't 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.320 do this last time. The last presidency that was trying 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:25.520 to find savings was the allowing presidency limited birepublicans of 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.400 what it could do. So, yeah, it's not simper coherence 0:25:28.640 --> 0:25:32.000 from ideologically, it is coherent with what Trump is asking for. 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:33.800 Yeah, thank you, Dave. 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:35.320 Thank you. Thanks for having me. 0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:42.120 Beai Shakir is a senior advisor to Standard Or Bernie Sanders. 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:44.480 Welcome to Fast Politics Fast. 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:45.840 Thank you for having me. Mollie. 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:49.359 I'm really excited to have you because I think so 0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:53.480 much about what went wrong again and again and again. 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:55.959 I think of you as a person who also thinks 0:25:56.200 --> 0:26:00.720 a lot about what went wrong in twenty sixteen. Honestly 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:03.399 in twenty twenty a little bit, because that should have 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:05.880 been a bigger win, and in twenty twenty four. So 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:08.600 that is my first question to you, what went wrong? 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:12.560 Or we're having a disconnect sadly as Democrats with working 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:15.560 class people. And in my view, there's a lot of 0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:19.720 things that work into that problem. One is that on 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:23.080 the performance are just of politics. Politics is part performance 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:24.920 are you know, you have to get out there and 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:28.399 embrace the friction when you're particularly when you're governing. So 0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.639 if you have good policies being done, I think in 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:34.280 the four years of Biden you have walk a picket line. 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:36.880 You've got a lot of his agencies taken on crypto 0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:40.879 scams or Amazon scams, Amazon Google, you know, really hard fights, 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.480 big Pharma. And yet if you look at that and 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.159 then look over to the politics site, you know, the 0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:49.199 DNC or political operations, and you say, did did we 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:51.320 talk about any of that? Did we embrace the friction 0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:54.560 when they were governing and fighting that fight? Did we 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:56.639 have their backs? No? And the answer was no. It 0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:58.919 was almost like you lived in an alternative universe. So 0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:02.320 you can't fault working class people who aren't following politics 0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:04.119 all the time and behind the scenes and know everything 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.360 that the FTC is doing or the SEC is doing. 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:09.200 You've got to get out there and embrace and tell 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:11.840 people to fight. Trump does it well, right, He's always 0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:14.000 telling you a story about some damn fight that he's in. 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:16.080 Every day is a fight for him, right, And so 0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.560 he's engaging in fights with corporate America through tariffs and 0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:21.440 all these other stuff, and working class people feel like, hey, 0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.159 that guy, he doesn't care. He's ready to take anybody on. 0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:28.719 Whereas we're almost like intentionally trying to reduce the tension. 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:32.680 Suggests that there aren't actually make your ideological problems here. 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:33.919 They are there are the moll. 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.560 It's funny because I think so much about Lena Kahan, 0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:41.160 who is sort of one of the great fighters of 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.640 this century and someone who most people have no idea 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:46.359 who she is. Can we talk about that? 0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:50.240 I am a huge fan obviously in a supporter, and 0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:52.960 I feel like she in just four years, thanks to 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.879 President Biden putting her in that position, transformed the Federal 0:27:55.920 --> 0:28:00.280 Trade Commission from this backwater place to this zone of saying, hey, big, 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.440 corporate American needs to be held accountable for price gouging us, 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:06.479 for abusing us in all different kinds of ways. And 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:08.800 she didn't think small, she thought big, and she said 0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:12.840 everything from Amazon to the pharmacy benefit managers too, you know, 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.400 junk fees to non compete bands. I'm going after all 0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.879 of the corporate exploitation I see to unrig this economy. 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:22.840 And that is one of my major frustrations when you say, hey, 0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:25.960 what my hat is off to somebody with integrity fighting 0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:29.480 for working class people. And then I want a political 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:32.480 operation that tells people about that, that says, do you 0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.639 know what big fights that we have been engaged in 0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.400 on your behalf. She fought at Kroger Albertson's merger, which 0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:41.640 was about reducing you know, grocery prices for people and 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:44.600 giving providing competition to the grocery space. And I'm sure to 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.640 this day, most people have no idea, sadly that we 0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:49.880 were fighting to reduce grocery prices for them. You know, 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:50.760 that's a killer. 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.280 So one of the things that I'm struck by, and 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:57.640 again this is a very controversial take, which is why 0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:59.560 everyone's going to get mad at me about it, but 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:02.680 I'm to engage in that. One of the things I 0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:05.880 was stripped by when Biden won was how little they 0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:09.240 let him talk to the press. Now, obviously I have 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.800 a horse in this race because I am the press, 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:15.959 but also they didn't even let him do like, you know, 0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:21.479 his own tweets or his own Instagram story and even 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.240 like we saw this again and again in Harris World, 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:27.000 like they would do something that was pretty good and 0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:30.200 then the consultant class would shut it down. I'm wondering 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:32.160 if you could talk a little bit about that. And 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.840 also the one I'm going to make this an annoying 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:36.680 question that goes on and on. But one of the 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.480 other things I was struck by was like they were 0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:43.000 aggressively boring in the Biden White House in a way 0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:45.640 to try to keep the media at bay, which I 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:48.720 understand the media didn't like them, but that made the 0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:52.080 media really hate them. And then when they had passed 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:55.040 all this really good legislation, they couldn't get anyone to 0:29:55.800 --> 0:30:00.680 talk about it because they had been so aggressively boring 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:03.280 or whatever it was with the mate. So can you 0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:04.520 talk to me about all of that? 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.400 Biden in his own special way. I mean, we saw 0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:10.760 this when we campaigned against him. I was running Birdie's 0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:12.680 campaign and washed him as he was out there on 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:13.040 the stunt. 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:14.520 But he would say colorful. 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.640 And interesting things, Moll. He would be you know, occasionally 0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:18.320 he would tell a person who was protesting, hey, go 0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:19.960 vote for the other guy to feel that way. And 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:22.000 what I realized over a period of time is, man, 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:24.880 that's his charm. He's in that way, a real working 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:27.400 class person in the way he talks, and a lot 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:30.440 of people feel that way. It's like he doesn't like it. Yeah, 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:31.800 he's not in an ivory tower. 0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:32.760 He just says it real. 0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:35.120 And I remember early on in the administration, you know, 0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:38.160 he would say colorful things like about Elon Muss member, Hey, 0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:40.520 good luck going to the moon, buddy, Or he would 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.200 say things about Facebook and Facebook kills people during COVID 0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:46.640 right when he's upset about misinformation and they clamp down 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:48.840 on him because they were worried that when he says 0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:52.720 things that are in my view, authentically him, that they 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:55.640 were going to cause quote unquote problems. And I'll tell 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:57.320 you this, ma, I went in and had a you know, 0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.640 at one on one interview with him just recently as 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.960 he was reaping up, and I asked him this question about, Hey, 0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.600 you know, mister president, you've never traded stocks in your life. 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:07.959 Can you think of how crazy that is? They like 0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:10.120 for most people, they get rich in office, and you 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.960 could have gotten early on so many stocks and you 0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:15.400 chose to not. Why And He's like, well, I just 0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:17.880 think it's wrong. And I don't believe that Congress should 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.080 be trading stocks. Until that point, Molly, I don't believe 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:23.960 they or the president had ever talk let him talk 0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:25.480 about this incredible record. 0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:28.560 Out of not And so, by the way, it's like 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:30.640 crazy because it's one of the very few things that 0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:32.600 everyone agrees on totally. 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:35.000 I will say, Molly, you know I had been urging 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:38.000 behind the scenes constantly, Hey, they should go on talks 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:39.800 about these things, talk about these things. And you know, 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:41.640 I get there inundated with lots and lots of things. 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.800 But man, I think they robbed all of us and 0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:46.400 him of the opportunity to see what is what was 0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:48.840 special and unique about his ability to communicate. And I 0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:51.680 think too often you know I Vie Ivory Tower, you know, elites. 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:53.600 He doesn't talk like Obama, he doesn't talk like a 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.080 lot of Buddha Jeedge or other kind of charismatic other 0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:58.880 kinds of politicians. But he has a charm of how 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:01.480 he does speaking in and people trust in that way. 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:02.920 And they just didn't let it go. I mean, not 0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:04.800 doing a Super Bowl interview is kind of crazy. 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:08.000 Yeah, not doing a super Bowl interview, shutting it down. 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:11.440 Even when the videos were good and people liked them, 0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:13.680 they stopped doing them. I mean at every point, I 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:17.040 think about Tim Walls, who was he did really well, 0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:19.000 so then they stop letting him talk. 0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:20.800 And in this day and age, you know this better 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.200 than most Molly that like now. Because of the media 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:25.560 environment being what it is, you kind of have to 0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:29.600 be part entertainer. People expect of a leader that I 0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:32.720 know you, I need to hear from you. You need 0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.160 to tell me what you're doing, especially when you're in charge. 0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:36.320 You're not a candidate anymore. 0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:37.040 You're in charge. 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:39.400 You got to tell me the story of what you're doing. 0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:41.640 So you know you mentioned like the IRA or the 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:43.960 Inflation Reduction Act, that needs to be a story the 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:46.200 whole way through, from front to end. Every day, you're 0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:49.520 telling everybody, here's the fights I'm engaging, here's my red lines, 0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:51.080 here's what I like, Here's what I don't like, And 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:53.960 you're animating those such that when people are fighting back 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:56.200 on you and they're saying, hey, sorry, no to childcare 0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:58.640 or no to community college, you're getting out there and 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:00.640 you're telling people, this is what I want to do, 0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:03.720 and I got some opposition over here. That's how you build, 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.480 you know, a grassroots movement for your vision. 0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:11.360 Yeah. So here we are in this situation where we 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:16.280 have now this DNC race for the chairmanship. Explain to 0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.760 us what that's about and sort of what you see 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.800 the job as and why Mary and Williamson is not 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:23.440 going to get it. 0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:27.240 Well. I jumped in late here purposefully and intentionally because 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.560 while there's all these decent people who are running, I've 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:31.600 been heartened by the fact that there's more and more 0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:33.760 talk of being a working class party, and I'm like, 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:35.800 that's I've been waiting my whole life here and so 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.960 now our death of consensus. And I'm like, okay, so 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.520 what's the big ideas? Give them to me. What are 0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:43.520 we going to do differently? And I'm like, ah, I'm 0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.760 feeling let down by this, So okay, I have some 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:47.840 views though, let me jump in and offer them. And 0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.200 one of it, it just starts from a north star, particularly 0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:52.920 when you have you know, plutocracy and you know rich 0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:55.840 people who I think there are people get assessed the 0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:59.120 kind of a cultural decay. When you have so much 0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:03.280 powerful influence of money, it starts to make people either 0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:07.440 check out or get greedy or selfish in their own domains. 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:09.480 My sense is going on and people looking for an 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:12.319 integrity of giving me a fight that is about us, 0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:15.040 not about money. And in that way it has to 0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:18.719 be about some grassroots fission for the DNC that when 0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:23.000 you're a contributor, let's say, of the Democratic Party, what 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.120 is asked of you? Is there anything more than just 0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.440 giving an online contribution? I think in this moment it 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.120 has to be, especially going up against such power, our 0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.200 power has to be people, and so we have to 0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:35.239 give people a sense that we're in community with you, 0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:37.839 not just I don't just need your donation. When you're 0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:40.520 going on strike, with you, when you're organizing you know, 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:43.360 your workplace. We're with you. When you're fighting your utility 0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:46.040 rate hikes. We're with you. When you're going after you 0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:48.680 get trying to get insurance coverage for your LA fire 0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.560 and that the introsions are stopping or fighting you. We're 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.359 with you, like we're involved in these on the ground 0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:56.839 and bringing people into showing we stick our next out 0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.960 because our values are of economic justice, nature are aligned 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:02.839 with them. And if we do that, if we open 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.719 our doors and bring people into the Democratic Party, it's 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.480 a pathway out of this with greater strength. I do 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:10.160 think in this moment you also have to be your 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:13.000 own kind of digital recorder, you know, an online news 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:15.960 source of information, and are the channels like I've been 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.120 building a more perfect union now for you know, it 0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:19.759 was my own media outlet and. 0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:21.080 They didn't realize that was you. 0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:24.040 Yes, so build it up over three years and you know, 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:25.680 so what I think we have one point three million 0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:29.200 followers subscribers on YouTube. By comparison, Malia, how do you 0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:32.200 guessed how many does the DNC channel have? If we 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:33.880 have one point three million, what do you think. 0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.319 This is going to make me upset, don't do that. 0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:38.440 Seventy eight thousand, I was. 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.319 Talking about this one young congressman. He's not even that young. 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.799 He's probably my age. He doesn't necessarily align politically with 0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:48.520 a lot of my beliefs, but he does an incredible 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.560 job of just being out there. And I do think 0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:54.920 part of it is people want their politicians to do 0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:58.320 their own tweets, and they can tell when in someone 0:35:58.360 --> 0:35:59.880 else we think we are. 0:35:59.880 --> 0:36:01.880 I do feel like coming out of the cycle, we 0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.680 got to restore a sense of conviction around what we 0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:07.400 fight for. And I tend to believe, I honestly believe 0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:11.000 that people's ideologies are so over the map you cannot 0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:14.320 pigeonhole people's left right. That is like that antiquated and 0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:16.319 out out day. That is not the way to think 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:20.440 that people. Trans issues and immigration and policing and economic 0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.400 justice issues. There're a kaleidoscope. But what I think people 0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:27.240 are hunting for is wherever you fall on this kaleidoscope, 0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:29.799 give me a sense of why you believe it, and 0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:33.200 tell me it honestly and sincerely, sincerely, And when you 0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:35.960 get criticized, I just want to hear you give me 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:37.600 a good, strong defense, and I think that's one of 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.040 the reasons why congressman are causing fortes and you know, 0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:43.840 Bernie Sanders. There's a sense of just conviction orientation and 0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:45.600 I want to bring bash to the party, just be 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:48.080 honestly engaging these kinds of debates, right, And. 0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:52.000 I feel a Jasmine Crockett, Maxwell Frost. We're seeing people 0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:56.160 like that who are engaging, an even of Jared Moskowitz, 0:36:56.400 --> 0:37:01.960 who's out there fighting with represent James Comer, which I 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.359 find very funny. I know that, you know, I don't 0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.560 know how much like public good is happening, but it's 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:10.560 still hilarious. But I do think I mean that is 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:12.960 when you see Trump getting into office. And this is 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.160 in no way an endorsement of Donald Trump, I mean, 0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.280 my god, but like the fact that he's out there 0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:21.440 doing a lot of interviews and talking to people. And 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.680 I also think part of it is at this point 0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:27.680 the mainstream media is so degraded. In twenty sixteen, we 0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:31.400 had a real fullsome at least something. Now we are 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:34.080 in such a sort of partisan wasteland. But the other 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:35.680 thing I wanted to ask you about, and this is 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:37.799 actually something I just have been thinking it a lot. 0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:40.439 Is there was a whole discourse and you know about 0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:42.719 this because you've come from Sanders Land. There was a 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:46.880 whole discourse about how the left needed its own Joe Rogan. 0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.440 It's one of the most annoying pieces of discourse, and 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.080 I always respond to that the left has it. So 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:57.520 I'm Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan who in twenty sixteen endorsed 0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:01.839 Bernie Sanders. So my big pet peeve now is that 0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:06.600 Democrats should always go into conservative spaces, even if the 0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:08.040 person offends them. 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.960 Yeah, you're revealing my battle scars here, Molly, because when 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.080 we you know, was in twenty twenty. Of course, we 0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:15.319 not only went on Joe Rogan and got a lot 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:18.920 of heat from people for myself for even daring to 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:20.920 go on there, but you know we're the first to 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:22.880 go on Fox News. We held the town hall, you 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.040 know with Fox at the time, people were very very 0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:28.120 upset about. My point was, listen, if you can gauge 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:31.360 in politics, and I believe this sincerely that if you 0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.120 step into this arena, and not everyone needs to or should, 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:37.040 but if you want to, the job is persuasion. The 0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.880 job is to go talk to people who aren't already 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:42.160 with you and suggest to them that they should be 0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.719 with you. Otherwise you are a club, and there are 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:46.799 good places to be a club. That's fine, you know, 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.960 we like clubs and go meet and talk to people 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:53.200 who are similarly of your kind. And that's fine. But 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.320 that's not politics that I think. If you're doing politics, 0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:58.560 you have an obligation to reach out to people who 0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:02.080 aren't already with you, make your case, and also take 0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:05.080 the push back upon you, because that's where they see 0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:07.880 and feel like, oh, you're listening, or you care, or 0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:09.520 you are engaged with them. 0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:13.879 But it's also that Joe Rogan's voters are not watching CNN, right. 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.239 I think that's largely true a lot of people, particularly 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.919 younger folks, but it's across the board. I've checked out 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:23.360 of politics because they find it so disgusting and unappealing. 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.279 When I was talking about the decay of what we 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.960 see because of wealth and income inequality, I think there's 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:29.920 a sense that institutions are broken. You look at the 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:32.560 DNC itself, there's a lack of faith and trust that 0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:35.279 even can the DNC do anything. And in a world 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:37.520 particularly I think this is dangerous where we get to 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:40.680 a place where there's a devolution of power such that. Okay, 0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:43.719 if the DNC isn't your a strong vehicle to fight 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.120 for certain values in our society, one of two major 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:48.960 political parties in America, then where does the power go. Well, 0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:51.440 it goes to super packs, it goes to places where 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.600 power and money can better influence it. So when you 0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:57.680 have the devolution of power, you don't have institutional structures 0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:01.600 to fight for people, You're gonna have just splintering in 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:05.359 which more powerful actors control more of society. 0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:06.760 Which is where we are now. 0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:08.600 Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are checking 0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:10.960 out to your point of Joe Rogan viewers, Right, it's 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:14.160 a sense of I don't trust institutions because I haven't 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:17.120 seen them operate with integrity. And I'm like, you're right, 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.680 and we should fight on this plot. We should give 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.160 people a sense of hope, especially if you're quote quote 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:25.880 a democratic party. Democratic means of people. 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:29.680 But as we look at sort of the post mortem 0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:33.879 of twenty twenty four, part of what happened was that, 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:36.960 And again I think Liz Cheney has done a lot 0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:39.680 of good stuff, but that did not get the base excited. 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:41.440 I mean, if you're going to look at a post 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:44.879 mortem of what happened. The base did not turn out. 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:47.680 There were people who didn't come out who came out 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:48.480 in twenty twenty. 0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:52.560 My sense of this, Molly is that voters and in particularly 0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:55.680 hold the Democratic Party to a higher standard than they 0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:58.239 do the Republican Party. And the reason for that is 0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:01.799 our long historical linear of being the fighter for the 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:05.360 common person and what they feel like, particularly in moments 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:07.840 of great wealth and in polity that hey, listen, I 0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:09.560 know that the other side is out for greed and 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:11.680 they're on bottom line and they're crime but led by 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:15.160 a crime boss over there. However, I expect more of 0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:17.000 you to stick your next out and fight for us, 0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:20.080 and when you don't, the penalty on you is greater. 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:22.120 And I think we just have to own that that 0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:25.680 is true of us and to say we can meet 0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:27.360 that bar. You know, we can meet that bar of 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:29.680 say we will stick our next out, particularly when we're 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:31.319 in a moment of an oligarchy, right. 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:33.960 And I mean that is the big question now is 0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:37.319 what happens. So what do you think the sort of 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.919 move is for Democrats? What should they be doing? Sort 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:42.680 of what should the message be? I mean, because if 0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:46.920 you can't message against an oligarchy, right, I mean, it's 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.160 all the roots of people in the front brow like 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:49.799 you know. 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:53.080 It also the sense that corporate power and your common 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:56.839 belt is changing. It's the idea that Dewey defer our 0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:02.239 strategic vision and judgments people who are not of our 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.360 working class orientation. They get upset about it, rightly, So 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:07.520 they're like, hey, whoa. You know, it's fine if other 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:09.959 people Liz Chaney and Mark Cuban whoever want to join 0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:12.680 you on your mission to fight for working class people, 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:15.759 that's great. You know, that's politics of persuasion. But you 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:19.400 can't change your mission to walk away from what is 0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:21.520 the core conviction. I think that's where you get back to. 0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:23.560 And I think at this moment where I do feel 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:25.960 as you're saying about Rogan and other places that people 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:28.680 are checking out in, Democrats are pretty upset about it. 0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:32.480 When I sense the anger, I'm like, that's okay, because 0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:34.520 that means they still care, right. The worst thing that 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:36.440 could happen is that they just start to say, I 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.560 don't care. Now we've got a bigger problem. If they're angry, 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:42.400 it means that there's some emotions still attached to us 0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:44.600 because they're let down. We have to turn their heads. 0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:46.359 We have to say, hey, you're going to see us 0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:51.280 come out of this different and more aggressively in your 0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.480 camp on a fight. And I think in this moment particularly, 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:57.000 we have the oligarchy running the United States. The hardest 0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:59.440 thing about the modern economy. Everyone knows it's raked, but 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:01.600 they don't all always know how. And one of our 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:04.560 jobs is to help unpack when Zuckerberg is going to 0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.759 do all this what he's hunting the affection of Donald Trump? 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:08.440 Do you know what it is? 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:10.359 Three months from now, he was supposed to go into 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:13.440 trial because they're going to break up Facebook. Lena's going 0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:16.359 to do that over what's to happen Instagram, and now 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:18.680 Donald Trump will have a choice to make. Does that 0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:21.960 case go forward in three months? Well, you know, Zuckerberg 0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:24.279 putting some money down to make a bet in a 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:27.200 different way. We have that aation on us to go 0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:31.799 and explain here's what this billioni class is hunting for 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.359 in terms of outcomes that are not good for you. 0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:36.839 That's what they expect of the Democratic Party right now. 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:39.680 I mean that's where we are. I'm hoping you could 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.479 sort of explain to us who you sort of think 0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:44.640 of as the leaders of the Democratic Party. It's a 0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:49.720 very annoying question because obviously there's no presidential nominee yet. 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:52.879 But it's a question I get asked that I never 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.360 really know the answer to, and I'm curious what you think. 0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:58.240 Yeah, I don't think there's an actual one. I mentioned 0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:01.760 to you that there's been more around wealth and income 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:04.920 and equality. Bernie. Obviously that started to train a long 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:07.840 time ago, but now I sense more people of conviction 0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:10.520 are talking about it, from you know, Chris Murphy obviously 0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:13.560 congress woman at Cause you a Quortez. Even Secretary Budaget 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.359 has done some good work departner of Transportation going after 0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:19.640 Southwest and other major airlines holding them accountable. There's you know, 0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:21.399 if you look at the Blue Dog cocause even people 0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.320 like Marie Glucian Camperez and Jared Golden within the Democratic 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:28.360 Party ten are very hungry to go after corporate accountability. 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:32.319 I think that there's like an opportunity where because there's 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:34.879 more alignment that I maybe some people sense and feel 0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:37.400 right now, there's a lot of alignment. There's just a 0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:39.719 hunger for who's going to step up and make the 0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:43.279 kind of moral conviction and the revealing case of who 0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:47.239 our democratic brand is, redefine it around this working class orientation. 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:49.799 There's an opening there, right for people who want to 0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:53.480 do it, but I sense there's more interest in alignment 0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:55.919 behind the scenes of people who see the same things 0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:56.400 we see. 0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:59.279 Yeah. One of the things that I think happened when 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:05.400 Democrats rejected Bernie, or the democratic establishment ejected Bernie, was 0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:08.640 that there was a certain kind of like we must 0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:13.319 sort of please our corporate overlords. Lena Khan was a 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:17.080 real departure from that, and corporations hated her. She never 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:20.239 got the kind of publicity so people didn't know really 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:22.799 what she did. And by publicity I mean like put 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.480 Lena Khan on Joe Rogan, right. I mean, that's the 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:29.360 idea totally. But my question is, like, do you see 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:33.400 a world where as we continue on here, these nominees 0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:36.560 were choices that were pushed, you know, in a certain direction. 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:39.360 How can we just make it sort of a people 0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:41.120 first situation. 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:43.520 Well, I do think some of these good and I'm 0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:45.920 glad you mentioned Leonab. I'm a huge fan and you 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.520 know ro hitch Opra at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.560 Jennifer Bruso, who was at the National Labor Relations Board, 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:54.160 even Garret Gensler was doing good things at the Security 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:56.360 Exchange Commission. I could go down the list of really 0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:58.560 kind of people of integrity who were fighting some big 0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:01.880 fights against you know, powerful actors. They're coming out now, 0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:03.919 right and I think that part of my you know've 0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:06.440 reached out to Lena Rohea and other people like, hey, 0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:09.840 you're the moral conscious and the information conscience of a 0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:13.680 lot of people right now because they're hunting for what 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:16.320 can you do about it? What's an alternative scenario and 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:19.560 how we confront power, and what are the choices that 0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:21.280 are being made. It's going to be this great opportunity 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.440 we educate a lot of folks who maybe didn't get 0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:25.640 it the first time around about the things that we 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:29.160 were actually doing. And now Trump is gonna unlined, undo 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:31.600 or go in a very different direction. So we'll have 0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:33.239 a second bite at that apple to do a lot 0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:36.960 of education and hopefully build the mandate of this direction. 0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:40.000 Because you know this, Molly, but that Lena obviously took 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.640 some fire, not just from conservatives and big corporations, but 0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.960 also some large democratic donors and I worry about the 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:49.480 watering down of this opportunity to fight for working class people. 0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:52.000 That's why I'm out there. I think that direction that 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:54.640 Lena and a lot of the labor folks within the 0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:56.759 Biden mitiation were doing was the right one, and we 0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.920 just did exercised the politics appropriately. Well, we can fix that, 0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:02.560 you know. Let's get the politics done right to say, 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:05.480 this is our orientation, this is what the vast majority 0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:07.800 of people in America care about. This is our historical 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:09.399 roots and lineage of the Democratic Party. 0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:10.120 Let's get this right. 0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:14.600 Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you really really so 0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:26.840 good and I so appreciate you. Thank you. No, Jesse Cannon. 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:30.759 So, Mai, we have to talk about our stupidest senator, 0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:32.839 mister Tommy Tuberville. 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:36.680 Who is still going hard and beating Mark Wayne Mullen. 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.799 At this Yeah, I was gonna say it was like 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:42.200 Bernie Bernie Marino would like a worn Well. 0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:44.920 Bernie hasn't that as much time to get his sea legs. 0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:48.080 So mister Tuberville's off running and what he says here 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:51.120 is trades kids should live in fear of their parents. 0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:54.840 After Bishop Bud's remarks to President Trump. 0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:59.359 Yesterday, yes so again. Bishop Bud is going to end 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:02.640 up in get Mo for saying that Donald Trump should 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:07.040 have compassion. I mean, really like we have, We're gone, 0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:10.600 We've gone really zero to sixty here. If I don't 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:12.960 show up to tape tomorrow, you know where I am. 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:16.160 You know, this is ridiculous. I mean the fact that 0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:20.120 these guys, I mean, Tuberville's whole shtick is just go 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.960 is just that he needs to protect his you know, 0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:28.840 Trump at all costs. Okay, but you know it's really 0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:34.560 stupid and also stupid, and also because it is Tommy Tuberville, 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:40.080 very very very stupid. That's it for this episode of 0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:46.920 Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:50.520 to hear the best minds and politics make sense of 0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:54.919 all this chaos. 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