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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. Donald Trump has rescinded almost all of

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's executive orders. We have such a great show

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Speaker 1: for you today, Samophoores, Dave Weigel stops by to talk

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Speaker 1: about what is going on in American politics, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: and his inauguration. Then we'll talk to Faiz Shakir about

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Speaker 1: his run to head the Democratic National Committee. But first

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Speaker 1: the news.

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Speaker 2: So Mali yesterday, so much happened.

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Speaker 3: We basically have to just pick up where we left

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Speaker 3: that are.

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Speaker 2: Unfolding before us.

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Speaker 3: The first of which I will shock you is changes

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Speaker 3: to DII and I don't mean Don Eric and Evanka.

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Speaker 1: Nobody has never thought it was Don Eric and Evanka.

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Speaker 2: So what are you talking about? That's what it.

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Speaker 1: Is, Donald Trump. I can't believe you anyway. That's like

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Speaker 1: the worst dad joke ever, Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: That's why I did it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, has declared war on DEI. Now again, this is

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Speaker 1: all this Christopher Rufo stuff about fighting against diversity, fighting

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Speaker 1: is that somehow, this affluent white guy who has been

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Speaker 1: by taking away one of the little bits of things

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Speaker 1: people of color anyway and people who are from diverse backgrounds,

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Speaker 1: working on DEI to be put on immediate paid administrative leave.

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Speaker 1: So that means people who are like working on DEI

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Speaker 1: in the army, that means people who are tangentially related

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Speaker 1: to DEI. In an executive order issued on Tuesday, Trump

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Speaker 1: called for an end to dangerous, demeaning and immoral programs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, George Orwell would be so jealous of the

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Speaker 1: kind of double speak that Donald Trump engages in on

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Speaker 1: the regular and since re taking office on Monday, the

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Speaker 1: President has acted swiftly to use his executive orders to

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Speaker 1: target diversity, equity, and inclusion. Because that's just the kind

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 3: Great stuff, really really happy all this is happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, hitting it on all for cylinders. Yes, continue,

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Speaker 3: So yesterday, at the Washington National Cathedral, the episcopal Bishop

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Speaker 3: means JD Viz, Donald Trump, Malania and nushevit's uncomfortable. What

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Speaker 3: I would say is the snowflakes seemed very triggered.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they really did. I just want to point this out.

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Speaker 1: What made them uncomfortable was her saying, you have felt

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Speaker 1: the presidential hand of a loving god, the name of

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Speaker 1: our God. I ask you to have mercy. This is

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Speaker 1: literally what she's saying that's getting him so upset. I'm

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Speaker 1: asking you to have mercy on the people in our

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: This okay, I'm asking you to have mercy on the

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Speaker 1: This is the thing that got them so upset. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: Molly, you're missing something. What the president said. She was

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Speaker 3: in nasty in tone, in not compelling or smart. You

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Speaker 3: know that thing offends him.

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Speaker 1: What offends him?

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't people say things in nasty tones and are not

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Speaker 1: Not compelling or smart. Yes, he does not like it

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Speaker 3: Well, speaking of going to foreign countries, Trump has authorized

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Speaker 1: So he had talked about this during the campaign. Here's

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Speaker 3: I am right there with you speaking of other things

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Speaker 3: that on day two of the presidency. DOGE is shaping

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Speaker 1: DOGE is not without its problems. So here we are

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Speaker 2: Well a meme coin.

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Speaker 1: It's also it's both a meme and a coin and

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Speaker 1: by the first Budy one, Elon Mush. And what's pretty

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Speaker 3: What it seems really is is people always forget that

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Speaker 1: Yes, let me tell you what else is going on here.

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Speaker 1: So first we have the Veke is gone, he's back

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Speaker 1: as we would hope, still on Twitter, because really where

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Speaker 1: SoftBank has well under ten billion secured. I have that

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Speaker 1: on good authority. Now. Sam Altman, who is the guy

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Speaker 1: funny hair like Justin Bieber, wrote a tweet wrong, as

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Speaker 1: you surely know want to come. Is it the first

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Speaker 1: I realize what is great for the country isn't always

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Speaker 1: optimal for your companies. But in your new role, I

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Speaker 1: hope you'll mostly put America first. And there you have it.

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Speaker 1: News being made in real time by tech billionaires communicating

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Speaker 1: to each other on their platform. Makes the cuckles of

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Speaker 1: my heart war. Dave Weigel is a reporter at Semaphore.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 4: Dave, Hey, you going to be back. Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Tell me where you are right now and what's going on.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I am in the capital right now, Gus. There's

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Speaker 4: some echo. That's the reason why. And I've been talking

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Speaker 4: to people about various Trump executive orders from their perspective,

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Speaker 4: obviously no one in Congress is and make it an amazing

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Speaker 1: So you're just sort of in post executive order.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about what There were almost one hundred

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Speaker 4: Close to one hundred, Well, actually so seventy eight that

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Speaker 4: were just about undoing various Biden executive orders. That wasn't

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Speaker 4: the conclusion of that. There have been series of orders

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Speaker 1: There were some that were trying to rewrite the constitution.

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Speaker 4: immigrant rights organizations. This fesed up some sort of legal showdown,

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Speaker 4: something that would not, for example, belonged to Kamala Yris

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Speaker 4: Order on affirmative Action, which so insane. Nixon changed it

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Speaker 4: but didn't get rid of it, but a series who

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Speaker 4: Arobic presidence left that in place. Well, that's in there too,

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Speaker 4: one of the recommendations of Product twenty twenty five. So

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Speaker 4: none of this was surprising. They just changed the emphasis.

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Speaker 4: And you run a campaign based on what's going to

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Speaker 4: get you elected, not how specific you can be about

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Speaker 4: your agenda.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, that's a very good point. It's not about

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Speaker 1: being specific on your agenda. It's about getting elected. And

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Speaker 1: that was what was smart about Trump. So I want

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Speaker 1: to get back to this Quincy Institute because I'm like

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Speaker 1: a little obsessed with it, because it was this think

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Speaker 1: tag that started during the first actually think it grew

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Speaker 1: during the first Trump admin and it was basically a

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Speaker 1: sort of combination liberal libertarian effort to avoid foreign wars.

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Speaker 4: Correct, it was, And I wouldn't overstate how many people

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Speaker 4: are in the administration of this saying are people with

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Speaker 4: connections to that being hired for foreign policy roles over

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Speaker 4: people who are more pawkish on the record. The specific

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Speaker 4: person is Michael Demino. He was the guy who'd been

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Speaker 4: critical of the way he is. Reel responded to October seventh,

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Speaker 4: and that's not a firing or offense to keeps you

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Speaker 4: out of the door right now, because he's in line

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Speaker 4: with the Trump agenda of not new. Too much effort

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Speaker 4: has been Trump but through strength, like we're going to

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Speaker 4: let Israel get away with a lot. We were going

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Speaker 4: to keep giving them arms, but we're going to look

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Speaker 4: tough so that they're rand it and try anything as

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Speaker 4: opposed to we're going to try to rechain into regime

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Speaker 4: by starting war work.

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Speaker 2: The rant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things that I think is really interesting,

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Speaker 1: and I'm hoping you could make it make sense, is

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Speaker 1: that one of the hallmarks of Trump's governing is that

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Speaker 1: it's erratic, not ideological, and largely dictated by the last

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Speaker 1: person he spoke to Project twenty twenty five. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we just did a big documentary on it in July,

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Speaker 1: so we've spent a lot of time studying it and

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Speaker 1: talking to academics about it, and it's largely a dismantling

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Speaker 1: of the administrative state, including the federal government. Make it

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Speaker 1: so small that you can drat it in a bathtub,

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Speaker 1: show the people that it never worked to begin with. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so how do you have and again this is the

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Speaker 1: thing I keep asking, how do you have a tenth

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Speaker 1: that's so big that these things run contrary to each other,

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Speaker 1: don't they?

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Speaker 4: I hadn't thought about that because that's the rug and

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Speaker 4: party run by Trump. Nothing is contradictory if Trump says

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Speaker 4: that he knew if he changed his mind on it.

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Speaker 4: The spending piece of this is the really incoherent stuff,

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Speaker 4: where there is an assumption and a promise that they're

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Speaker 4: going to Trump Vivis in the first term, he's going

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Speaker 4: to get rid of the debt somehow, and nothing they

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Speaker 4: proposed would actually was the devonstat it's all tax pets.

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Speaker 4: It starts there, really, and I would say Democrats didn't

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Speaker 4: do this last time. The last presidency that was trying

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Speaker 4: to find savings was the allowing presidency limited birepublicans of

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Speaker 4: what it could do. So, yeah, it's not simper coherence

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Speaker 4: from ideologically, it is coherent with what Trump is asking for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Dave.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Beai Shakir is a senior advisor to Standard Or Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics Fast.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. Mollie.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to have you because I think so

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Speaker 1: much about what went wrong again and again and again.

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Speaker 1: I think of you as a person who also thinks

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Speaker 1: a lot about what went wrong in twenty sixteen. Honestly

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty a little bit, because that should have

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Speaker 1: been a bigger win, and in twenty twenty four. So

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Speaker 1: that is my first question to you, what went wrong?

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Speaker 5: Or we're having a disconnect sadly as Democrats with working

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Speaker 5: class people. And in my view, there's a lot of

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Speaker 5: things that work into that problem. One is that on

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Speaker 5: the performance are just of politics. Politics is part performance

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Speaker 5: are you know, you have to get out there and

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Speaker 5: embrace the friction when you're particularly when you're governing. So

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Speaker 5: if you have good policies being done, I think in

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Speaker 5: the four years of Biden you have walk a picket line.

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Speaker 5: You've got a lot of his agencies taken on crypto

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Speaker 5: scams or Amazon scams, Amazon Google, you know, really hard fights,

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Speaker 5: big Pharma. And yet if you look at that and

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Speaker 5: then look over to the politics site, you know, the

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Speaker 5: DNC or political operations, and you say, did did we

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Speaker 5: talk about any of that? Did we embrace the friction

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Speaker 5: when they were governing and fighting that fight? Did we

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Speaker 5: have their backs? No? And the answer was no. It

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Speaker 5: was almost like you lived in an alternative universe. So

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Speaker 5: you can't fault working class people who aren't following politics

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Speaker 5: all the time and behind the scenes and know everything

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Speaker 5: that the FTC is doing or the SEC is doing.

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Speaker 5: You've got to get out there and embrace and tell

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Speaker 5: people to fight. Trump does it well, right, He's always

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Speaker 5: telling you a story about some damn fight that he's in.

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Speaker 5: Every day is a fight for him, right, And so

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Speaker 5: he's engaging in fights with corporate America through tariffs and

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Speaker 5: all these other stuff, and working class people feel like, hey,

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Speaker 5: that guy, he doesn't care. He's ready to take anybody on.

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Speaker 5: Whereas we're almost like intentionally trying to reduce the tension.

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Speaker 5: Suggests that there aren't actually make your ideological problems here.

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Speaker 5: They are there are the moll.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because I think so much about Lena Kahan,

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Speaker 1: who is sort of one of the great fighters of

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Speaker 1: this century and someone who most people have no idea

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Speaker 1: who she is. Can we talk about that?

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Speaker 5: I am a huge fan obviously in a supporter, and

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Speaker 5: I feel like she in just four years, thanks to

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Speaker 5: President Biden putting her in that position, transformed the Federal

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Speaker 5: Trade Commission from this backwater place to this zone of saying, hey, big,

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Speaker 5: corporate American needs to be held accountable for price gouging us,

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Speaker 5: for abusing us in all different kinds of ways. And

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Speaker 5: she didn't think small, she thought big, and she said

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Speaker 5: everything from Amazon to the pharmacy benefit managers too, you know,

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Speaker 5: junk fees to non compete bands. I'm going after all

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Speaker 5: of the corporate exploitation I see to unrig this economy.

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Speaker 5: And that is one of my major frustrations when you say, hey,

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Speaker 5: what my hat is off to somebody with integrity fighting

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Speaker 5: for working class people. And then I want a political

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Speaker 5: operation that tells people about that, that says, do you

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Speaker 5: know what big fights that we have been engaged in

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Speaker 5: on your behalf. She fought at Kroger Albertson's merger, which

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Speaker 5: was about reducing you know, grocery prices for people and

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Speaker 5: giving providing competition to the grocery space. And I'm sure to

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Speaker 5: this day, most people have no idea, sadly that we

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Speaker 5: were fighting to reduce grocery prices for them. You know,

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Speaker 5: that's a killer.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that I'm struck by, and

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Speaker 1: again this is a very controversial take, which is why

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Speaker 1: everyone's going to get mad at me about it, but

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Speaker 1: I'm to engage in that. One of the things I

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Speaker 1: was stripped by when Biden won was how little they

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Speaker 1: let him talk to the press. Now, obviously I have

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Speaker 1: a horse in this race because I am the press,

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Speaker 1: but also they didn't even let him do like, you know,

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Speaker 1: his own tweets or his own Instagram story and even

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Speaker 1: like we saw this again and again in Harris World,

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Speaker 1: like they would do something that was pretty good and

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Speaker 1: then the consultant class would shut it down. I'm wondering

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Speaker 1: if you could talk a little bit about that. And

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Speaker 1: also the one I'm going to make this an annoying

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Speaker 1: question that goes on and on. But one of the

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Speaker 1: other things I was struck by was like they were

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Speaker 1: aggressively boring in the Biden White House in a way

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Speaker 1: to try to keep the media at bay, which I

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Speaker 1: understand the media didn't like them, but that made the

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Speaker 1: media really hate them. And then when they had passed

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Speaker 1: all this really good legislation, they couldn't get anyone to

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Speaker 1: talk about it because they had been so aggressively boring

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Speaker 1: or whatever it was with the mate. So can you

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Speaker 1: talk to me about all of that?

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Speaker 5: Biden in his own special way. I mean, we saw

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Speaker 5: this when we campaigned against him. I was running Birdie's

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Speaker 5: campaign and washed him as he was out there on

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Speaker 5: the stunt.

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Speaker 4: But he would say colorful.

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Speaker 5: And interesting things, Moll. He would be you know, occasionally

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Speaker 5: he would tell a person who was protesting, hey, go

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Speaker 5: vote for the other guy to feel that way. And

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Speaker 5: what I realized over a period of time is, man,

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Speaker 5: that's his charm. He's in that way, a real working

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Speaker 5: class person in the way he talks, and a lot

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Speaker 5: of people feel that way. It's like he doesn't like it. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: he's not in an ivory tower.

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Speaker 4: He just says it real.

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Speaker 5: And I remember early on in the administration, you know,

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Speaker 5: he would say colorful things like about Elon Muss member, Hey,

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Speaker 5: good luck going to the moon, buddy, Or he would

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Speaker 5: say things about Facebook and Facebook kills people during COVID

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Speaker 5: right when he's upset about misinformation and they clamp down

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Speaker 5: on him because they were worried that when he says

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Speaker 5: things that are in my view, authentically him, that they

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Speaker 5: were going to cause quote unquote problems. And I'll tell

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Speaker 5: you this, ma, I went in and had a you know,

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Speaker 5: at one on one interview with him just recently as

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Speaker 5: he was reaping up, and I asked him this question about, Hey,

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Speaker 5: you know, mister president, you've never traded stocks in your life.

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Speaker 5: Can you think of how crazy that is? They like

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Speaker 5: for most people, they get rich in office, and you

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Speaker 5: could have gotten early on so many stocks and you

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Speaker 5: chose to not. Why And He's like, well, I just

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Speaker 5: think it's wrong. And I don't believe that Congress should

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Speaker 5: be trading stocks. Until that point, Molly, I don't believe

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Speaker 5: they or the president had ever talk let him talk

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Speaker 5: about this incredible record.

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Speaker 1: Out of not And so, by the way, it's like

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Speaker 1: crazy because it's one of the very few things that

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Speaker 1: everyone agrees on totally.

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Speaker 5: I will say, Molly, you know I had been urging

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Speaker 5: behind the scenes constantly, Hey, they should go on talks

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Speaker 5: about these things, talk about these things. And you know,

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Speaker 5: I get there inundated with lots and lots of things.

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Speaker 5: But man, I think they robbed all of us and

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Speaker 5: him of the opportunity to see what is what was

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Speaker 5: special and unique about his ability to communicate. And I

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Speaker 5: think too often you know I Vie Ivory Tower, you know, elites.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't talk like Obama, he doesn't talk like a

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Speaker 5: lot of Buddha Jeedge or other kind of charismatic other

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Speaker 5: kinds of politicians. But he has a charm of how

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Speaker 5: he does speaking in and people trust in that way.

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Speaker 5: And they just didn't let it go. I mean, not

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Speaker 5: doing a Super Bowl interview is kind of crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not doing a super Bowl interview, shutting it down.

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Speaker 1: Even when the videos were good and people liked them,

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Speaker 1: they stopped doing them. I mean at every point, I

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Speaker 1: think about Tim Walls, who was he did really well,

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Speaker 1: so then they stop letting him talk.

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Speaker 5: And in this day and age, you know this better

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Speaker 5: than most Molly that like now. Because of the media

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Speaker 5: environment being what it is, you kind of have to

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Speaker 5: be part entertainer. People expect of a leader that I

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Speaker 5: know you, I need to hear from you. You need

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Speaker 5: to tell me what you're doing, especially when you're in charge.

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Speaker 5: You're not a candidate anymore.

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Speaker 4: You're in charge.

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Speaker 5: You got to tell me the story of what you're doing.

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Speaker 5: So you know you mentioned like the IRA or the

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Speaker 5: Inflation Reduction Act, that needs to be a story the

654
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Speaker 5: whole way through, from front to end. Every day, you're

655
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Speaker 5: telling everybody, here's the fights I'm engaging, here's my red lines,

656
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Speaker 5: here's what I like, Here's what I don't like, And

657
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 5: you're animating those such that when people are fighting back

658
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Speaker 5: on you and they're saying, hey, sorry, no to childcare

659
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Speaker 5: or no to community college, you're getting out there and

660
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Speaker 5: you're telling people, this is what I want to do,

661
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Speaker 5: and I got some opposition over here. That's how you build,

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Speaker 5: you know, a grassroots movement for your vision.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So here we are in this situation where we

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Speaker 1: have now this DNC race for the chairmanship. Explain to

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Speaker 1: us what that's about and sort of what you see

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Speaker 1: the job as and why Mary and Williamson is not

667
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Speaker 1: going to get it.

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Speaker 5: Well. I jumped in late here purposefully and intentionally because

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Speaker 5: while there's all these decent people who are running, I've

670
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Speaker 5: been heartened by the fact that there's more and more

671
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Speaker 5: talk of being a working class party, and I'm like,

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Speaker 5: that's I've been waiting my whole life here and so

673
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Speaker 5: now our death of consensus. And I'm like, okay, so

674
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Speaker 5: what's the big ideas? Give them to me. What are

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Speaker 5: we going to do differently? And I'm like, ah, I'm

676
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Speaker 5: feeling let down by this, So okay, I have some

677
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Speaker 5: views though, let me jump in and offer them. And

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Speaker 5: one of it, it just starts from a north star, particularly

679
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Speaker 5: when you have you know, plutocracy and you know rich

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Speaker 5: people who I think there are people get assessed the

681
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Speaker 5: kind of a cultural decay. When you have so much

682
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Speaker 5: powerful influence of money, it starts to make people either

683
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Speaker 5: check out or get greedy or selfish in their own domains.

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Speaker 5: My sense is going on and people looking for an

685
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Speaker 5: integrity of giving me a fight that is about us,

686
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Speaker 5: not about money. And in that way it has to

687
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Speaker 5: be about some grassroots fission for the DNC that when

688
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Speaker 5: you're a contributor, let's say, of the Democratic Party, what

689
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Speaker 5: is asked of you? Is there anything more than just

690
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Speaker 5: giving an online contribution? I think in this moment it

691
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Speaker 5: has to be, especially going up against such power, our

692
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 5: power has to be people, and so we have to

693
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Speaker 5: give people a sense that we're in community with you,

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Speaker 5: not just I don't just need your donation. When you're

695
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Speaker 5: going on strike, with you, when you're organizing you know,

696
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Speaker 5: your workplace. We're with you. When you're fighting your utility

697
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 5: rate hikes. We're with you. When you're going after you

698
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 5: get trying to get insurance coverage for your LA fire

699
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Speaker 5: and that the introsions are stopping or fighting you. We're

700
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Speaker 5: with you, like we're involved in these on the ground

701
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Speaker 5: and bringing people into showing we stick our next out

702
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Speaker 5: because our values are of economic justice, nature are aligned

703
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Speaker 5: with them. And if we do that, if we open

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Speaker 5: our doors and bring people into the Democratic Party, it's

705
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Speaker 5: a pathway out of this with greater strength. I do

706
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Speaker 5: think in this moment you also have to be your

707
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Speaker 5: own kind of digital recorder, you know, an online news

708
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Speaker 5: source of information, and are the channels like I've been

709
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Speaker 5: building a more perfect union now for you know, it

710
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Speaker 5: was my own media outlet and.

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Speaker 1: They didn't realize that was you.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so build it up over three years and you know,

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Speaker 5: so what I think we have one point three million

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Speaker 5: followers subscribers on YouTube. By comparison, Malia, how do you

715
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Speaker 5: guessed how many does the DNC channel have? If we

716
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Speaker 5: have one point three million, what do you think.

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Speaker 1: This is going to make me upset, don't do that.

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Speaker 4: Seventy eight thousand, I was.

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Speaker 1: Talking about this one young congressman. He's not even that young.

720
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Speaker 1: He's probably my age. He doesn't necessarily align politically with

721
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Speaker 1: a lot of my beliefs, but he does an incredible

722
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Speaker 1: job of just being out there. And I do think

723
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Speaker 1: part of it is people want their politicians to do

724
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Speaker 1: their own tweets, and they can tell when in someone

725
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Speaker 1: else we think we are.

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Speaker 5: I do feel like coming out of the cycle, we

727
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 5: got to restore a sense of conviction around what we

728
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Speaker 5: fight for. And I tend to believe, I honestly believe

729
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 5: that people's ideologies are so over the map you cannot

730
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Speaker 5: pigeonhole people's left right. That is like that antiquated and

731
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Speaker 5: out out day. That is not the way to think

732
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Speaker 5: that people. Trans issues and immigration and policing and economic

733
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Speaker 5: justice issues. There're a kaleidoscope. But what I think people

734
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 5: are hunting for is wherever you fall on this kaleidoscope,

735
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Speaker 5: give me a sense of why you believe it, and

736
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Speaker 5: tell me it honestly and sincerely, sincerely, And when you

737
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Speaker 5: get criticized, I just want to hear you give me

738
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Speaker 5: a good, strong defense, and I think that's one of

739
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Speaker 5: the reasons why congressman are causing fortes and you know,

740
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Speaker 5: Bernie Sanders. There's a sense of just conviction orientation and

741
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Speaker 5: I want to bring bash to the party, just be

742
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Speaker 5: honestly engaging these kinds of debates, right, And.

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Speaker 1: I feel a Jasmine Crockett, Maxwell Frost. We're seeing people

744
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Speaker 1: like that who are engaging, an even of Jared Moskowitz,

745
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: who's out there fighting with represent James Comer, which I

746
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: find very funny. I know that, you know, I don't

747
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: know how much like public good is happening, but it's

748
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: still hilarious. But I do think I mean that is

749
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Speaker 1: when you see Trump getting into office. And this is

750
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Speaker 1: in no way an endorsement of Donald Trump, I mean,

751
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Speaker 1: my god, but like the fact that he's out there

752
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: doing a lot of interviews and talking to people. And

753
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Speaker 1: I also think part of it is at this point

754
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Speaker 1: the mainstream media is so degraded. In twenty sixteen, we

755
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: had a real fullsome at least something. Now we are

756
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Speaker 1: in such a sort of partisan wasteland. But the other

757
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Speaker 1: thing I wanted to ask you about, and this is

758
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Speaker 1: actually something I just have been thinking it a lot.

759
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Speaker 1: Is there was a whole discourse and you know about

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Speaker 1: this because you've come from Sanders Land. There was a

761
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Speaker 1: whole discourse about how the left needed its own Joe Rogan.

762
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Speaker 1: It's one of the most annoying pieces of discourse, and

763
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Speaker 1: I always respond to that the left has it. So

764
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Speaker 1: I'm Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan who in twenty sixteen endorsed

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders. So my big pet peeve now is that

766
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Speaker 1: Democrats should always go into conservative spaces, even if the

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Speaker 1: person offends them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're revealing my battle scars here, Molly, because when

769
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Speaker 5: we you know, was in twenty twenty. Of course, we

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Speaker 5: not only went on Joe Rogan and got a lot

771
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Speaker 5: of heat from people for myself for even daring to

772
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Speaker 5: go on there, but you know we're the first to

773
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Speaker 5: go on Fox News. We held the town hall, you

774
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Speaker 5: know with Fox at the time, people were very very

775
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 5: upset about. My point was, listen, if you can gauge

776
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Speaker 5: in politics, and I believe this sincerely that if you

777
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Speaker 5: step into this arena, and not everyone needs to or should,

778
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 5: but if you want to, the job is persuasion. The

779
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 5: job is to go talk to people who aren't already

780
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Speaker 5: with you and suggest to them that they should be

781
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 5: with you. Otherwise you are a club, and there are

782
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 5: good places to be a club. That's fine, you know,

783
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 5: we like clubs and go meet and talk to people

784
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 5: who are similarly of your kind. And that's fine. But

785
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Speaker 5: that's not politics that I think. If you're doing politics,

786
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 5: you have an obligation to reach out to people who

787
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 5: aren't already with you, make your case, and also take

788
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 5: the push back upon you, because that's where they see

789
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 5: and feel like, oh, you're listening, or you care, or

790
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Speaker 5: you are engaged with them.

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Speaker 1: But it's also that Joe Rogan's voters are not watching CNN, right.

792
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Speaker 5: I think that's largely true a lot of people, particularly

793
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Speaker 5: younger folks, but it's across the board. I've checked out

794
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 5: of politics because they find it so disgusting and unappealing.

795
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Speaker 5: When I was talking about the decay of what we

796
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 5: see because of wealth and income inequality, I think there's

797
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 5: a sense that institutions are broken. You look at the

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Speaker 5: DNC itself, there's a lack of faith and trust that

799
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Speaker 5: even can the DNC do anything. And in a world

800
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Speaker 5: particularly I think this is dangerous where we get to

801
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Speaker 5: a place where there's a devolution of power such that. Okay,

802
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 5: if the DNC isn't your a strong vehicle to fight

803
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 5: for certain values in our society, one of two major

804
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Speaker 5: political parties in America, then where does the power go. Well,

805
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 5: it goes to super packs, it goes to places where

806
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 5: power and money can better influence it. So when you

807
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 5: have the devolution of power, you don't have institutional structures

808
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 5: to fight for people, You're gonna have just splintering in

809
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 5: which more powerful actors control more of society.

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Speaker 1: Which is where we are now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are checking

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Speaker 5: out to your point of Joe Rogan viewers, Right, it's

813
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Speaker 5: a sense of I don't trust institutions because I haven't

814
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Speaker 5: seen them operate with integrity. And I'm like, you're right,

815
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 5: and we should fight on this plot. We should give

816
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Speaker 5: people a sense of hope, especially if you're quote quote

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Speaker 5: a democratic party. Democratic means of people.

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Speaker 1: But as we look at sort of the post mortem

819
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, part of what happened was that,

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Speaker 1: And again I think Liz Cheney has done a lot

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Speaker 1: of good stuff, but that did not get the base excited.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to look at a post

823
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Speaker 1: mortem of what happened. The base did not turn out.

824
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Speaker 1: There were people who didn't come out who came out

825
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 5: My sense of this, Molly is that voters and in particularly

827
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Speaker 5: hold the Democratic Party to a higher standard than they

828
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Speaker 5: do the Republican Party. And the reason for that is

829
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Speaker 5: our long historical linear of being the fighter for the

830
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 5: common person and what they feel like, particularly in moments

831
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Speaker 5: of great wealth and in polity that hey, listen, I

832
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 5: know that the other side is out for greed and

833
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 5: they're on bottom line and they're crime but led by

834
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 5: a crime boss over there. However, I expect more of

835
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 5: you to stick your next out and fight for us,

836
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Speaker 5: and when you don't, the penalty on you is greater.

837
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Speaker 5: And I think we just have to own that that

838
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 5: is true of us and to say we can meet

839
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 5: that bar. You know, we can meet that bar of

840
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Speaker 5: say we will stick our next out, particularly when we're

841
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Speaker 5: in a moment of an oligarchy, right.

842
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Speaker 1: And I mean that is the big question now is

843
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Speaker 1: what happens. So what do you think the sort of

844
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Speaker 1: move is for Democrats? What should they be doing? Sort

845
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Speaker 1: of what should the message be? I mean, because if

846
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Speaker 1: you can't message against an oligarchy, right, I mean, it's

847
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: all the roots of people in the front brow like

848
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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 5: It also the sense that corporate power and your common

850
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 5: belt is changing. It's the idea that Dewey defer our

851
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Speaker 5: strategic vision and judgments people who are not of our

852
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 5: working class orientation. They get upset about it, rightly, So

853
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 5: they're like, hey, whoa. You know, it's fine if other

854
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,959
Speaker 5: people Liz Chaney and Mark Cuban whoever want to join

855
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 5: you on your mission to fight for working class people,

856
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 5: that's great. You know, that's politics of persuasion. But you

857
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 5: can't change your mission to walk away from what is

858
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 5: the core conviction. I think that's where you get back to.

859
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 5: And I think at this moment where I do feel

860
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Speaker 5: as you're saying about Rogan and other places that people

861
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 5: are checking out in, Democrats are pretty upset about it.

862
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 5: When I sense the anger, I'm like, that's okay, because

863
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 5: that means they still care, right. The worst thing that

864
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 5: could happen is that they just start to say, I

865
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 5: don't care. Now we've got a bigger problem. If they're angry,

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Speaker 5: it means that there's some emotions still attached to us

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Speaker 5: because they're let down. We have to turn their heads.

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Speaker 5: We have to say, hey, you're going to see us

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Speaker 5: come out of this different and more aggressively in your

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Speaker 5: camp on a fight. And I think in this moment particularly,

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Speaker 5: we have the oligarchy running the United States. The hardest

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Speaker 5: thing about the modern economy. Everyone knows it's raked, but

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Speaker 5: they don't all always know how. And one of our

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Speaker 5: jobs is to help unpack when Zuckerberg is going to

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Speaker 5: do all this what he's hunting the affection of Donald Trump?

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Speaker 4: Do you know what it is?

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Speaker 5: Three months from now, he was supposed to go into

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Speaker 5: trial because they're going to break up Facebook. Lena's going

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Speaker 5: to do that over what's to happen Instagram, and now

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump will have a choice to make. Does that

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Speaker 5: case go forward in three months? Well, you know, Zuckerberg

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Speaker 5: putting some money down to make a bet in a

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Speaker 5: different way. We have that aation on us to go

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Speaker 5: and explain here's what this billioni class is hunting for

885
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Speaker 5: in terms of outcomes that are not good for you.

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Speaker 5: That's what they expect of the Democratic Party right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's where we are. I'm hoping you could

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Speaker 1: sort of explain to us who you sort of think

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Speaker 1: of as the leaders of the Democratic Party. It's a

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Speaker 1: very annoying question because obviously there's no presidential nominee yet.

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Speaker 1: But it's a question I get asked that I never

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Speaker 1: really know the answer to, and I'm curious what you think.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think there's an actual one. I mentioned

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Speaker 5: to you that there's been more around wealth and income

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Speaker 5: and equality. Bernie. Obviously that started to train a long

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Speaker 5: time ago, but now I sense more people of conviction

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Speaker 5: are talking about it, from you know, Chris Murphy obviously

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Speaker 5: congress woman at Cause you a Quortez. Even Secretary Budaget

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Speaker 5: has done some good work departner of Transportation going after

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Speaker 5: Southwest and other major airlines holding them accountable. There's you know,

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Speaker 5: if you look at the Blue Dog cocause even people

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Speaker 5: like Marie Glucian Camperez and Jared Golden within the Democratic

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Speaker 5: Party ten are very hungry to go after corporate accountability.

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Speaker 5: I think that there's like an opportunity where because there's

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Speaker 5: more alignment that I maybe some people sense and feel

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Speaker 5: right now, there's a lot of alignment. There's just a

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Speaker 5: hunger for who's going to step up and make the

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Speaker 5: kind of moral conviction and the revealing case of who

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Speaker 5: our democratic brand is, redefine it around this working class orientation.

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Speaker 5: There's an opening there, right for people who want to

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Speaker 5: do it, but I sense there's more interest in alignment

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Speaker 5: behind the scenes of people who see the same things

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Speaker 5: we see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things that I think happened when

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Speaker 1: Democrats rejected Bernie, or the democratic establishment ejected Bernie, was

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Speaker 1: that there was a certain kind of like we must

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Speaker 1: sort of please our corporate overlords. Lena Khan was a

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Speaker 1: real departure from that, and corporations hated her. She never

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Speaker 1: got the kind of publicity so people didn't know really

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Speaker 1: what she did. And by publicity I mean like put

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Speaker 1: Lena Khan on Joe Rogan, right. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 1: idea totally. But my question is, like, do you see

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Speaker 1: a world where as we continue on here, these nominees

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Speaker 1: were choices that were pushed, you know, in a certain direction.

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Speaker 1: How can we just make it sort of a people

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Speaker 1: first situation.

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Speaker 5: Well, I do think some of these good and I'm

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Speaker 5: glad you mentioned Leonab. I'm a huge fan and you

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Speaker 5: know ro hitch Opra at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau,

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Speaker 5: Jennifer Bruso, who was at the National Labor Relations Board,

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Speaker 5: even Garret Gensler was doing good things at the Security

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Speaker 5: Exchange Commission. I could go down the list of really

933
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Speaker 5: kind of people of integrity who were fighting some big

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Speaker 5: fights against you know, powerful actors. They're coming out now,

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Speaker 5: right and I think that part of my you know've

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Speaker 5: reached out to Lena Rohea and other people like, hey,

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Speaker 5: you're the moral conscious and the information conscience of a

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Speaker 5: lot of people right now because they're hunting for what

939
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Speaker 5: can you do about it? What's an alternative scenario and

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Speaker 5: how we confront power, and what are the choices that

941
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Speaker 5: are being made. It's going to be this great opportunity

942
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Speaker 5: we educate a lot of folks who maybe didn't get

943
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Speaker 5: it the first time around about the things that we

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Speaker 5: were actually doing. And now Trump is gonna unlined, undo

945
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Speaker 5: or go in a very different direction. So we'll have

946
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Speaker 5: a second bite at that apple to do a lot

947
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Speaker 5: of education and hopefully build the mandate of this direction.

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Speaker 5: Because you know this, Molly, but that Lena obviously took

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Speaker 5: some fire, not just from conservatives and big corporations, but

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Speaker 5: also some large democratic donors and I worry about the

951
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Speaker 5: watering down of this opportunity to fight for working class people.

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Speaker 5: That's why I'm out there. I think that direction that

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Speaker 5: Lena and a lot of the labor folks within the

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Speaker 5: Biden mitiation were doing was the right one, and we

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Speaker 5: just did exercised the politics appropriately. Well, we can fix that,

956
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Speaker 5: you know. Let's get the politics done right to say,

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Speaker 5: this is our orientation, this is what the vast majority

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Speaker 5: of people in America care about. This is our historical

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Speaker 5: roots and lineage of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 4: Let's get this right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you really really so

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Speaker 1: good and I so appreciate you. Thank you. No, Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 3: So, Mai, we have to talk about our stupidest senator,

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Speaker 3: mister Tommy Tuberville.

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Speaker 2: Who is still going hard and beating Mark Wayne Mullen.

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Speaker 1: At this Yeah, I was gonna say it was like

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Speaker 1: Bernie Bernie Marino would like a worn Well.

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Speaker 3: Bernie hasn't that as much time to get his sea legs.

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Speaker 3: So mister Tuberville's off running and what he says here

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Speaker 3: is trades kids should live in fear of their parents.

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Speaker 3: After Bishop Bud's remarks to President Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday, yes so again. Bishop Bud is going to end

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Speaker 1: up in get Mo for saying that Donald Trump should

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Speaker 1: have compassion. I mean, really like we have, We're gone,

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Speaker 1: We've gone really zero to sixty here. If I don't

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Speaker 1: show up to tape tomorrow, you know where I am.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is ridiculous. I mean the fact that

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Speaker 1: these guys, I mean, Tuberville's whole shtick is just go

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Speaker 1: is just that he needs to protect his you know,

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Speaker 1: Trump at all costs. Okay, but you know it's really

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Speaker 1: stupid and also stupid, and also because it is Tommy Tuberville,

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Speaker 1: very very very stupid. That's it for this episode of

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