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Speaker 1: Oh hey, it's another episode of The Hunting Collective. It's

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Speaker 1: me Been O'Brien and today we got a good show,

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Speaker 1: a real good show. We're to start it with. We're

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Speaker 1: going through We went to the heart of Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the more interesting conversations we've had

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Speaker 1: on conservation here recently was with Wit Fosburgh and he's

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Speaker 1: the President CEO of the Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership better

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Speaker 1: able to do it? Um and a little bit of

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Speaker 1: UM and we did are we We launched a segment

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Speaker 1: called Proved Me Wrong. We also have a segment in

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Speaker 1: there as always called hot Spot Cool Dude, one of

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Speaker 1: that we lead off the show with something totally different

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Speaker 1: though than Wits conversation and that's a conversation on me

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Speaker 1: Eater High Fashion, Baby High Fashion with three of the

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Speaker 1: lovely ladies in the office. Katie Finch Ronnella the Life

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Speaker 1: of One Stephen Ronnella. She's got a lot of good

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Speaker 1: insights about Steve's fashion choices. Tracy Crane or VPS Social,

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Speaker 1: she came from the fashion world before she joined our company,

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Speaker 1: and then Maggie Smith. She's in post production and she's

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Speaker 1: also been on an Instagram account called Hipster's and Bozeman,

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Speaker 1: so she fits well and on this podcast, and she's

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Speaker 1: one of the more fashionable folks you'll ever meet of

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Speaker 1: her now. I will admit that last episode we talked

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Speaker 1: I admit that might be oxymoronic in nature, but I

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Speaker 1: had fun doing it, and I think these are three

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Speaker 1: the men and women in the Mediator office. So hopefully

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Speaker 1: enjoy that. It could be the first of many or

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Speaker 1: the last time we do it. That's all depending on

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Speaker 1: your reaction, So you let me know at THHD at

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Speaker 1: the Mediator dot com. Before we get to all that,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk real quickly about First Light. I was

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Speaker 1: up rolling around the mountains of eastern Oregon with a man,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Harlander from First Light Lack a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: and we were hunting turks man, and we got two

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Speaker 1: day and running really running and gunning. Um. And my

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Speaker 1: That's the Men's Kiln hoodie. That's the Men's kiln hoodie.

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Speaker 1: This thing is is like a midway Marino X material

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Speaker 1: men's killing hoodie. Look it up first Light dot Com.

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Speaker 1: and very important. Capacity agreed that we have Maggie peace,

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Speaker 1: all than whatever capacity. Now we're here today to do

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Speaker 1: a very special segment of the show in a minute,

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Speaker 1: but before I want to want to go over some

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Speaker 1: And the first one is a poem. Oh cool, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think any other podcasts get poems. It's a

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Speaker 1: and Ronnell ever write you any poetry? Not poetry? No,

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Speaker 1: It's called gobbler in a tree. Gobbler, gobbler in a tree.

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Speaker 1: Why do you insist on taunting me with your beard

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Speaker 1: in your face. I realized in spring hormones surge without fail,

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Speaker 1: each other. Phil has a very good job. That Benet job.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it is not an easy thing, not at all.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate what he's doing now. Also How many

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Speaker 1: people here watch Game of Thrones? Negative Nancy, Now, no

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Speaker 1: the duffel bag will be the same shirt that he

424
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: always put but he pulls it out, kind of like

425
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: you're a magician would pull a scarf out of it.

426
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: He just pulls it out, and I'm like, well, there's

427
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: no he's gonna put that on. And then he puts

428
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: it on. It's just the most wrinkled. It's like a

429
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: tissue you found under the couch. He pulls it out,

430
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: he puts it on and goes on and cows like

431
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: the most popular person on the face of the earth.

432
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: So I'm starting to question like how how I got

433
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: should act. But so let's start with that idea. Start

434
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: with that idea, and then we're gonna we're gonna go forward.

435
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: But Katie, can you tell us just a little bit

436
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: about Steve Rinella and like what how he he picks

437
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: his wardrobe for the day. Oh, it's like what's laying

438
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: next to the bed that he took off the night

439
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: before and then he puts it back on. That's literally

440
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: what happens. And you in the past, you've had to

441
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: chide him into like wearing Oh, for sure, go and

442
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: brush your hair, like I mean, he's not. You know,

443
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: you guys see him every day he looks like he

444
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: just rolled out of bed because he just rolled um.

445
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: But occasionally, you know, like especially he does a lot

446
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: of speaking events, so we've I've taken him to go

447
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: and buy appropriate clothes for those events, but he doesn't

448
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: really when he finds something, he just wants it to

449
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: be very functional, like he's not. It drives me nuts

450
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: that he can't just like find like a great pair

451
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: of jeans that it's there his dress jeans and he

452
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: can wear them for dress the occasions, and then he

453
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: reserves them for that like he will put them on

454
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: and they will have grease stains on them, you know,

455
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: within days. He was very I spoke with him recently

456
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: on the subject. He was very adamant about laundry being

457
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: annoying and that like he would like your children just

458
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: to wear like like less the same clothes more days

459
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: in a row. Yes, he we actually we have such

460
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 1: a disagreement about laundry. Um. We very much split up

461
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: duties in the house. He does all of the cooking.

462
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: I do not cook at all, Um, but laundry is

463
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: something I actually kind of love to do. I kind

464
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: of like mellow out and like, so now what I'm

465
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: doing laundry And he won't let me do his laundry.

466
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: He insists on doing his own. Law Drey to make

467
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: a point about um washing all of the rags that

468
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: we clean the house with with his laundry, because this

469
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: is why I wanted to have this conversation, because he

470
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: feels that it's all getting washed, and I'm like that

471
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: that one cleaned the toilet, and he's like, but it's

472
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: getting clean. It all comes out clean. So anyway, it's

473
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: like and I, you know, like if I lose, and

474
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: by losing, I don't have to do his laundry, then okay,

475
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: I'll lose all day. But there was a certain sweater

476
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: though that he wore at the office a couple of

477
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: times that we very great love that sweater. I bought

478
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: that sweater for him. Can you describe has a cowl neck?

479
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: So sorry cow no cowl neck, a whole other look.

480
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: Actually I should buy him. You're misrepresenting what you want

481
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: him to be wearing. If people are thinking you're asking

482
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: to put a cowl next sweater on, people be like,

483
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: I understand why you only wants to wear a sweatshirt.

484
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm just picturing being like a black and white pattern

485
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: that would be funny. Yeah, thank you're a shawl collar sweater.

486
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: And I think he looks very handsome and that sweater,

487
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: I mean he's striking. Um. But he was like, yeah,

488
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: the guys were like bullying me about the sweater, so

489
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to get rid of this. We

490
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: were getting them hard on it. Yeah, because he just

491
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: does like he normally just wears kind of whatever. You

492
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: know he's wearing that you never notice what it is.

493
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: But then when you would just like it's like shock

494
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: and all. You can't throw that into the page. You

495
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: can't make like a Thursday decision. You girl throw a

496
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: shawl next sweater on. But now Janice could wear that

497
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: sweater and no one would blink. And that's the next

498
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: next part of this is that you kind of have

499
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: we don't have is married to Cal, but no one

500
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: is married to Cal. So you guys can someday, Tracy,

501
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: can you hopefully some day? Although he came on this podcast,

502
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: he's never he's just saying that. I think he's saying

503
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: that to drum up attention. If I say hard to get,

504
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, hard to real, hard to get as hard

505
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: to get as possible. But yes, he calls didn't wanna

506
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: get married? But Tracy, give us a quick review of

507
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: Cal's style, Like we kind of know that, you know,

508
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: Steve goes with a rolled out of bed like dirty

509
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: rag situation. Cal's style, I would say, is like very

510
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: like it's like effortless, but I actually feel like it's

511
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: like effort going into the effortless look. I would agree

512
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: with that. You know, I was going to say the

513
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: same kind of right, but I feel like it's part

514
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: of like how he's presenting himself and like it works

515
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: very much for his personality, Like even the way that

516
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: he talks and like he's a very like slow but

517
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: like very deliberate speaker, and like how he presents himself,

518
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: like it's very much all connected. You don't have like

519
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: a finely tuned mustache like that if you're not thinking

520
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: about what it is that you're putting on and how

521
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: you're putting it together. I feel he has the soul

522
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: of an eighty year old man totally. He sometimes puts

523
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: he'll wear the pocket with like the shirt with the

524
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: breast pocket and put his cell phone in that pocket. Yeah,

525
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: and somehow something a young man would do, but that's

526
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: somehow works for him. Like I feel like nobody would

527
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: look at that and be like that's peculiar, Like all right, yeah,

528
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, you know, why would you put it?

529
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: Like the fact that he wears his hat, Yes, I

530
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: was going to bring kind of like up a little

531
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: bit or his stocking hat, like he kind of wears

532
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: it like Steve Zuzu from My Potic right, Like he

533
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: like smaller, it's almost like a larger Yamica. It just

534
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: covers the top of his head, which is a very

535
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: hipster thing to do. Cal I'm just going to throw that. Yeah,

536
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: he's got a little but it's kind of like an

537
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: eight year old man that traveled back in time and

538
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: was like, I could be a hipster. I don't get

539
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: the sense that he puts effort into his clothes. I

540
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: don't know if it's efforts probably the wrong word, but

541
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: I feel like it is thought through, not like he's

542
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: spending you know, five minutes in front of the mirror

543
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: making sure that like you know, but it's just it

544
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: works for what it is that he's trying to like

545
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: communicate and emulate. I feel like I would say on

546
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: a scale of like it's not really a scale, but

547
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: I would say Janice, without being obnoxious about it, probably

548
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: puts is more deliberate, Like Janice hangs up his sweaters,

549
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: you just know that, totally, totally going into his closet. Totally.

550
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: I would say it's nice then Ben, Oh, then caldn Steve.

551
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: In terms of the four, yeah, totally. Who who's giving

552
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: a ship the most most? Wouldn't you say that who

553
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: looks the nicest? No, it's not, it's just like who

554
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: puts the most effect into there? Absolutely it does the nicest. Yeah,

555
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: I guess so. But I think there's an important factor

556
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: in terms of putting Janice in Ben on the kind

557
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: of top side of that list, and it has to

558
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: do with fit, like the way that they their clothes

559
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: fit like suits their body. They fit nicely. It's not oversized,

560
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: it's not that has a big part to do with

561
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: like how you look in terms of like are you

562
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: do you look presented? Presentable? I guess if you will.

563
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: That leads nicely into a story that Katie told me

564
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: about Mr Ronella, an old pardy can you tell can

565
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: you tell us that story? Yea. So we were in

566
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: we were in Paris for our tenure winning anniversary. Um,

567
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: not not a place Steve has particularly wanted to travel,

568
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: but I was on a work treas but he was.

569
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: He was, you know, being a good husband and knew

570
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: that I wanted to go. So we went. And I

571
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: wanted to go shopping one day just because because it's parents. Yes,

572
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: so we go and I was like, we should get

573
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: something for you and um he so we He was like, yeah,

574
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: I'll get a sweater and he was arguing with the

575
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: woman at the shop about what size sweater. The more

576
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: tailored sweater, the smaller sweater definitely looked the bust to

577
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: fit the way this swater was supposed to fit, and

578
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: Steve just felt like it was way too tight and

579
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: couldn't do it and there was no way, and he

580
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: was like, this is it's not supposed to fit this

581
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: way and she's like, I can guarantee you American, Like, yes,

582
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: it is definitely. That would be the most popular Meat

583
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: Eater episode ever. It was just it was just Steve

584
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: arguing with a French shopkeeper. So he and he actually

585
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: he has this swater. Now I don't know. Oh, I

586
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: don't think you guys got this. It's it's gray. It

587
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: has a little detailing on the shoulders. I've seen it.

588
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: Is it a V neck or no, No, it's not

589
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: a neck. It's got Yeah, I remember the sweater. It's

590
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: also but it's always very wrinkly when you see it. Yeah,

591
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: I always struck by that. Did he get that in France?

592
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: That looks like something Steve would have gotten in Paris

593
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: as he does that vortex? Sure, whenever we got that Wisconsin.

594
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: You know. The weird thing too, is that he hangs

595
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: up all of his T shirts. But all of his

596
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: T shirts in our closet are hung up, and there's

597
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: probably like wait, but he doesn't hang like that's the

598
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: only thing he hangs up um that and he's got

599
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: some like sport coats for Is there any way you

600
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: can do a video of, like could you do a

601
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: video of just like going down the shirts hanging up

602
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: with this music. It's just it's so ironic that the

603
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: T shirts are all hung up, but then the sweaters

604
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: are in like a crumpled pile in. It drives me bananas.

605
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: He also we realized when we moved. We've we've moved

606
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: every two years for the last eight years. This last move,

607
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: I realized that he has never dry cleaned, like certain

608
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: clothes that he's bought and had for ten years have

609
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: never been dry cleaned like ever, but he's worn interesting,

610
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: it's gross. I mean, these are not clothes you can wash.

611
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: These are like dry totally. Who's said Mitch Hedberg has

612
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: that joke about if it's dry clean, only it's dirty totally. Alright, Well,

613
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: we gotta move on to Janni's particularly so he is

614
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: the eagle, the fashion icon of the office, I feel,

615
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: and it's mostly just because he's this low bar elsewhere,

616
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: but like he definitely the Katie made a point that

617
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: if he often would wear the same kind of thing

618
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: that Steve would wear as they do, as they do

619
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: a lot. Yanni always looks like he thought it through. Yeah,

620
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it has to do with fit. It's

621
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: also what he's pairing it with. It's the fact that

622
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: it's like not wrinkly. Yeah right, Possibly do think Joanni

623
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: presses jeans? You feel nobody presses a gene. If you're

624
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: pressing your jeans, you should be spending your time doing

625
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: something else. That is a tragedy. Yes, I agree with

626
00:36:51,719 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to stop khakis. Okay, yeah, terrible. All right,

627
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: Well this has been real helpful. I feel to just

628
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: get to the soul of our mediator, to get to

629
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: what they're thinking. In the morning, I wanta um, I

630
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: want to put you on the spot and take you

631
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: to task for something. Now we're having we're having a

632
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: conversation about fashion, and you have the ladies, us three

633
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: ladies in here. That's interesting. Oh yeah, no, I knew

634
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: that was coming, So talk to us about that decision. Well,

635
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Tracy used to work in fashion. You have

636
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: all of the Steve Ornella knowledge that I wanted. And

637
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: Maggie's awesome and has been. Yeah, I just I think it,

638
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, is worth clarifying. Oh for sure, No, I'm not.

639
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean I'm screwed now. That'll be it

640
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: for me. It's just thought this one out, alright, Cal

641
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: that's an awkward ending. No, I um, I feel like

642
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: you're the most fashionable regardless of gender. I would I

643
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: would say that all these two ladies next to me,

644
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: and for you as well. I feel like, here's this

645
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: sad thing because um, this is you know, the bar

646
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: is not high, right, like we are not working at

647
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: Vogue for those that know what bogus do you know

648
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: what bogus? It's an old ship. And also we live

649
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: in Montana, we're fashion. It was very low. Totally totally.

650
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm trying. This is my attempt to try to bring

651
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: up the fashion. And I feel like there's there's a

652
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: dichotomy in the office where all of us like low

653
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: hanging fruit guy, like we're just putting on whatever. And

654
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: then when I see you guys, I'm like, oh, people

655
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: must think they're going to work at a different office

656
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: when they come to the door, like why are those

657
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: three three people? I love it. It's like I love it.

658
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: I wanted. It's like something I enjoy. Yeah. This is

659
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: the thing, though, is that there is a curated look

660
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: that every has that's here. It doesn't take more effort

661
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: to be quote unquote more fashionable. It's a choice that

662
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: everybody is choosing, right, So, I don't know. In some ways,

663
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: I feel like the dudes here could step it up

664
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: a little bit. That's what this is really about. But

665
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: don't always look very nice. I have to say I

666
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: take a lot of ship for that. Okay, they give

667
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: you a hard time. I think that's yeah, my Brokay,

668
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: here's the deal. My brother has worked for Abercromi and Fitch.

669
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you told me that. That's why you

670
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: were that old school Abercrombie T shirt. On Socialist somebody

671
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: made a comment you can update your wardrobe, remember that. Yeah.

672
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: I did not like high breast stripe in there. It

673
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: was surprising because typically you wear a collar shirt. It's

674
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: very unusual to see you in a new often work.

675
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: I like this. I like to know. I feel like

676
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: my grandfather wore suit and tie every day, three p

677
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: suit and when he went and when he came to dinner,

678
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: he would take off his vest in his jacket and

679
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: put on a smoking jacket. He was awesome. And then

680
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: he wore a fedora quite often. I like that, and like,

681
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: how far have we come? Like wearing sweatpants and flip flops.

682
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: This man was all it was hot. He was probably

683
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: a hot a lot. I felt like sweat Sure, so

684
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: we've come generation, we've come, just not like we've gone

685
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: that's fashionist. I feel like gone, gone way down. Yeah,

686
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: caring about it, well, thank god, I'm here to help

687
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: turn the top. I will never forget when you first,

688
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: both of you first came into the office and I

689
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh, thank god, I'm not going to be

690
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: the only one getting crap from Steve. I will never

691
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: forget him give me crap about my white Doc Martins.

692
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: We just sat next to each other in the meeting

693
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: and I had my foot up like this on my

694
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: knee and he goes, It's like, so Steve, be like

695
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: my Doc Martins. No, I wouldn't say I like them.

696
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: That's the other thing. I mean, that's a whole other podcast.

697
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: But like opinion on what fashion should look like like

698
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: if Steve doesn't have a ton of opinions on like

699
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: what I wear, but if he could dress me every day.

700
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: I would wear probably what I was wearing in like

701
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: the late nineties, like boot cut jeans and like it's

702
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: like that's not where we're at today, but he has.

703
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: And then the cowboy boots that he got our first

704
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, first present. It's like it's great, but I've

705
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: warned those for fifteen years. We're going to evolve. Has

706
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: a bit of a pushback when you wear like like

707
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: fashionable like fashion. I mean, he's like, what's that. He's like,

708
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: those are hideous that you're wearing high waisted jeans. He

709
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: cannot get into, and I'm like, tuck it in, man,

710
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: absolutely down. I'm so glad when it was like Paris

711
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: Hilton right was like the crash and they're really low

712
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: and my mom was just like, you cannot wear that

713
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: stuff leaves out. Those are supposed to be coming back.

714
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: They are going to guys, that's what fashion does. That say,

715
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about your Doc Martin's not to age myself,

716
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: but like we were wearing Doc Martins when we were

717
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: in middle school. Like, don't get rid of your stuff

718
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: because it comes back in fashion. Like note to people

719
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: who have like special items, keep them because it will

720
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: be relevant. Like that's so special. The problem is I

721
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: try to do that now with accessories, but in the whole,

722
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: like I like to condole my closet every once in

723
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: a while, like a clean out situation, like does this

724
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: bring me joy? And off? That's very lovely. But you

725
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: have a basement or like a place you could store stuff.

726
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: If my mother had kept stuff that she like wore like,

727
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: I would be wearing it now, you know, because it

728
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: would mean something more than even just how CHICLD is

729
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: wearing a wedding dress at work. Actually, I will say

730
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: my favorite dress that I my favorite dress that I

731
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: had that is very special, and and I will give

732
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: it to Rosemary when she's older. It was my prom

733
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: dress when I was sixteen. I got an a vintage store,

734
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: so it's like it's just like a seventies son dress.

735
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: It was my prom dress when I was sixteen. I

736
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: wore it to Um, I wore it to our engagement

737
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: party on Steve and I got, that's so cool. And

738
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: then I just oh, I was gonna wear it if

739
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: we did a ten year like vow renewal, but we

740
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: I didn't do that, but I still love it and said,

741
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: that's my grandma made all of my mom's and my

742
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: aunt's dresses for dances, and my mom saved all of

743
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: them so when we went to we had the opportunity

744
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: to wear them. Oh yeah, I forgot what she said

745
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: that I didn't say. Oh, so that there's that for you.

746
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: That is so bored you guys, we can take this conversation.

747
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: Why this is a revolution? First, we did Bachelor. It

748
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: was it was? It was Bachelor. Ye, the Bachelorrette was Bachelor.

749
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: I had Colden that was on the Bachelotte. Did Colton

750
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: never get with Cassie? By the way, I don't know.

751
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: I don't watch that crap. He was the Bachelorette your

752
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: French sorry, the Bachelor. The Bachelor did the last five?

753
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: Did she win? She made to the last five? And

754
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: that's pretty that's pretty as whitney because they didn't like

755
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: she didn't they didn't make much. She shack up with

756
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: the Bachelor. No, no, that's like last like three. You mean, like,

757
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: would you like to go to my special fantasy? Yeah,

758
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: that's like last three. No, okay, yeah, she was one

759
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: of the many things about that show wouldn't work in

760
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: the real world. You said that to somebody, Hey, I

761
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: don't think anything. I'm calling the police alarm bell. It

762
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: looks like it. It looks a lot like a van

763
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: from where I'm stay as you are, fantasy, you should

764
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: drive it up the block. All right, we'll hold on

765
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: a minute. That's how we're going to close it out. Great.

766
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna do take a way to do

767
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: this again. I think we should do it again. I

768
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: think we should bring have you guys be a panel

769
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: and bring in other people. It's like what they're wearing

770
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: and just judge them. That would have to be a version. Yeah,

771
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: yeah for social you know toads. Yeah, all right, thanks,

772
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: crazy train. Kay do you have any nicknames? Like not

773
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: not any that I would It will go like k bone,

774
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: what mag's mag Mag's was? What give us a nickname?

775
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: I think this is my college friends call me Cougar

776
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: short for cougar, cougar go for younger man. No, they

777
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: would yell at story, and I don't want to. That's

778
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: why I like nicknames because they always have a great story.

779
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: So like you'd be walking across the quad and they'd

780
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: be like, it's me and my other friend. We're all right.

781
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna make the most awkward transition the history

782
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: of podcast. We're gonna travel to Washington, d C. Where

783
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: we're talking to talking to with with from the TRCP

784
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: about very important conservation issues in the United States. But

785
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: he is a very fashionable man. That's what we should cover.

786
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: That is he fashionable? You feel he wears like a

787
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: lot of tweed type items, doesn't he yes, but he

788
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: looks I mean not that I'm judging with by, but

789
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: why what he's wearing. But he looks very put together?

790
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: Think yeah, he does. He always wears like a suit

791
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: and he's he's a mover and shaker about Washington, d C. Um,

792
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: I like that. Let's let's real quickly pull up a

793
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: picture of him. Let Tracy judge wit So you think

794
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: that's like in the relationship. Well, you know it's cut

795
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: this part. It's not loading, so it's a sign it's

796
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more of that here he is. Yeah, man,

797
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: like a blazer. I don't know why it's not loading.

798
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: He's like always wears a nice blazer and nice button

799
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: down shirt. Love it. There's nothing better than a blazer,

800
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: nice sport coat. Totally. He's got flowing locks. Really, hair

801
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: is hair is so great, my dad. I think hair

802
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: give the wind blows like his hair blowing locks like

803
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: shoulder links. Here's another locks here here he is he

804
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: just oh, I see, I don't know if I would

805
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: call it flowing locks, but I can see why you

806
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: say that because it's a little long and he's got

807
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: some nice yeah feather feather a haircut. He has an

808
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: actual haircut, just like it's like he doesn't cut all

809
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: his hair off right like woman got done by his

810
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: his is um daughters right right like some other people

811
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: in the office. Uh all right, well wit fashion icon

812
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: with Fosberg coming up right now. Thanks, thank you. I

813
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: guess I grew up on an alder row. Hey he

814
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: little Ben. How's it going, sir? Good you. Oh, it's

815
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: good to be here. It's good to be in your

816
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: home and Bethesda. Well, it's great to have you here. Yeah,

817
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: you're overlooking the river. You got you show me that that?

818
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: What was the c I A is listening to every

819
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: word we say. I was gonna say if they're not

820
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: listening when we record, they're listening afterwards, Big fans, big

821
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: fans and collective over there. Shout out to everybody over

822
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: at Langley. We appreciate you, um, but well thanks for

823
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: having me in your home. We always like to start

824
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: this by describing where we are, so you're the man

825
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: to do it. So we're about two miles from the

826
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: DC line, right on Potomac River, um in the town

827
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: of Bethesda. All there was no real town around here,

828
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: and it's all pretty much green swath all the way

829
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: into the Georgetown and it's one of the cool things

830
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: about this part of the world. And you're from around here,

831
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: so you know this is that it's unbelievable park land.

832
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: So we can walk right down and we get on

833
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: the river, you get on the bike path and it's

834
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: all open park land all the way into the city

835
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: and access to the river, which is fantastic. Yeah, it's

836
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: a little bit flood stage out there. Oh yeah, it's

837
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: been basically a flight stage with the past year. Yeah.

838
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: Well it's a beautiful Thanks for having me, Um. There's

839
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: a lot of real serious things to talk about. But

840
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: I was looking into your background and I saw that

841
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: you were a member of Team USA and then World

842
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: fly Fishing Championships Downhill since then you peaked seven just

843
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: about Yeah, what's what's what it is to be in

844
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: Team USA for the World fly Fishing championship. Well, I'd

845
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: like to make it sound more grandiose than it is.

846
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: Please do that. Well, I know, I know, and that's

847
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: my general temptation. But since this can be fact checked event,

848
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: it will be honest with you. Uh. That's the first

849
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: time I've ever been held in you s and they

850
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: wanted to have you know, the trial limited At that

851
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: time I was working there would be the beneficiary of

852
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: the any proceeds from the contest, so they wanted somebody

853
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: from tu to be on the team. So my boss

854
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: at that time, Charles Goffn, you know, basically tapped me

855
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: to be in it. So there was no major tryout. Damnit,

856
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: I thought, you're gonna have to No. No, there was

857
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: no athletic tryouts around, no, no. But it was it

858
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: was fun and I didn't totally embarrass myself, so that

859
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: was good. Big fly fisherman, Oh yeah, of course. I

860
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: was growing up. I grew up in the wood lotton

861
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: up state, New York. Had a little trout stream that

862
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: ran through a property, no neighbors. So my brother and

863
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: I you know, started you know fishing at a very

864
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: early age with a fly rod. Most of that time,

865
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: there was a worm at the end of the fly rod.

866
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: But it didn't matter at us either. Man. I grew

867
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: up smoked trout. Yeah, and then we had a camp

868
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: in the Adirondacks and you know, bass fishing up there

869
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: as well as trout fishing, and you know, so something

870
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: we did all the time. Yeah, Well, you you made

871
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: your wife got a lot of I got a lot

872
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: of secret facts here, I think, uh about you, but

873
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna throw them all at you. But you

874
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: you've actually got into conservation. What was do you remember

875
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: like a seminal point in your life and your career

876
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: where you really I thought you could do this for

877
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: a career. I thought you could do this for rest

878
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: year life kind of because I have some of those

879
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: moments I've talked to other folks about that you have. Yeah,

880
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: so it was. It was actually when I was getting

881
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: out of college and I went to Georgetown here in

882
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: d C. And was a government international relations major, and

883
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: I had sort of fancied myself I'd do it for

884
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: a service school and you know, going abroad, and I

885
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: was just so bad at languages that you know, that

886
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: was out. So at the end of four years in

887
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: college and realized I probably still knew more about you know,

888
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: forests and woods and wildlife and hunting and fishing they

889
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: did about general politics. So at that time got a

890
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: job with National Audibo Society writing for them here in

891
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: town and doing a little bit lobbying, and then went

892
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: back and got a professional degree and environmental studies, and uh,

893
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: it was just seemed pretty natural. It was the way

894
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: I could try to sort of make my advocation my vocation.

895
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: It was I always wonder about, you know, as as

896
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: time goes on, people ask how did you get where

897
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: you are? Right? And I don't know that anyone I've

898
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: ever asked that question to, So, well, here's how like

899
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: you kind of just flow along and take opportunities. But

900
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: who was there a moment for you where you knew

901
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: that you know, this is it, this is the thing.

902
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: I just really enjoyed the issues and stuff that I

903
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: could relate to personally, and that's important for me. I

904
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: think I'd be pretty crappy at you know, being out there,

905
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, selling widgets, um, just because my heart wouldn't

906
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: be into it. But when you sort of grow up hunting, fishing,

907
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: you know, conservation of My dad worked for the Conservation

908
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: Department New York State and uh, it just becomes meaningful

909
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: to you. So if there was also as I figured out,

910
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: I actually got a paycheck for doing some of this stuff,

911
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: It's like I'm in. And then it was a matter

912
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: of you know, how do I sort of plot out

913
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: a career path to stay in this and actually make

914
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: it a living wage? And uh, you know that it

915
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: took quite a while before I figured that out. Yeah, yeah,

916
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: you move around, you see his opportunities. You you suffer

917
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: a little bit along the way, But as long as

918
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: you sort of keep your eye in the prize, which

919
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: is staying in this, being more effective, getting more of

920
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: it personally, then uh, you're good. Yeah. I mean I

921
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: always say when we have folks like yourself that actually

922
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: work in the conservation space and actually make a difference,

923
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 1: and you guys like me you just kind of talk

924
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: and go hunting. Do you feel over time? You know,

925
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 1: we my my feelings that policies have become more partisan.

926
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: Our world is prome more divided. You know, I think

927
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: that's from the outside looking in of DC. That's what

928
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: I would be my guess is that how you've lived

929
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: it in your in your conservation space. And absolutely, yeah,

930
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: So when you know from like the eight to ninety three.

931
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: I worked in the Senate for Tom dash List, the

932
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: Democrat from South Dakota, A great guy, still a friend,

933
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: uh And at that time, you know, it wasn't so

934
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: much Democrats for Republicans. It was largely regional issues. I mean,

935
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: it was the farm estates, you know, versus the earth

936
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: and the states. You know, you know, things like that.

937
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: So I spent literally as much time working with you

938
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: Bob Dole's officer, Jim McClure, Republican from Idaho at that time.

939
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: You know, there are offices is because we were a

940
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: line on what we wanted for that region of the world.

941
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: And you know, there were many times where you know,

942
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: things you know, farm bills of a classic example, don't

943
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: break down on you know, the party lines. And that

944
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: stills to a certain degree true. But one of things

945
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: appeal to me about these issues is that, you know, hunting, fishing, conservation,

946
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: environmental stuff. You know, these are traditionally the non partisan

947
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: issues when you think back to Roosevelt was a Republican.

948
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: Richard Nixon, you know, couldn't have cared less about the environment,

949
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: but he recognized politically it was a good issue for him.

950
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: And at the time of you know, Watergate and you

951
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: know race riots in Vietnam and everything else was bad

952
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: that was going on in this country, he thought that

953
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: was a way that could bring the country back together

954
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: because everyone could agree on that. So that's when e

955
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: PA was created, in Clean Water Act passed, and the

956
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: Clean Air Act past. And I think that's short of

957
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: spirit has always sort of been true even to this day.

958
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Congress has never been more broken than it

959
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: is right now. But like in the last year, you know,

960
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: we have gotten i think five major pieces of legislation

961
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: through at a time when Congress isn't passing anything. Yeah,

962
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: we actually watch c Span on this podcast when they

963
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: were passing I mean there was no suspense none. I

964
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: mean eight in the Senate and you know you have

965
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: three D plus votes in the House, so I know

966
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:31,959
Speaker 1: it's and again that's the way it all to work.

967
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there are some people who are just

968
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: anti conservation and they just don't like the stuff. But

969
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: by and large, it doesn't matter what party you are.

970
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if you like to hunt fish, you know,

971
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: that's when it brings us together. Yeah, that's it's the

972
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 1: resource that that brings us together. Because we're all we're

973
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: all managing it in one way or the other. Is

974
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: it's it's super interesting to me and I want to

975
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: get into because we're talking about before we record, I

976
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: want to get into kind of what organizations like TRCP

977
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: do and other similar you know, in comparison to a

978
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: single species organization like Army A for ducks and limit

979
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: or whatever. UM. But before we do that, I'd like

980
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: to line out kind of where you see, in a

981
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: very simple um, as simple as it can be, the

982
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: two sides of the conservation issue right now, you know,

983
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: the right and the left. That's how we characterize these

984
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: groups and in UM in our parlance when it when

985
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: it comes just to the the idea of conserving wildlife,

986
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: conserving wild places, you know, and those and the opportunities

987
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: to do so, like well, how do you line those

988
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: up in your professional life? So within arguing and I

989
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: think this is what you're asking. Yes, you know there

990
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: is there's a broad diversity, and you have you know,

991
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: National Wildlife Federation b h A. You know, groups like

992
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: that to tend to be more on the left side.

993
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: You have you know, Wild Cheap Foundation, Mule your Foundation,

994
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: you know others that tend to be further on the

995
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: right side. Um, that doesn't mean you know, any of

996
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: them are wrong. I mean, I think that restive opinion

997
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: is great. I mean, our challenges with sixty different partner

998
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: organizations is making sure that you know, we don't let

999
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: you know some of those ideology, you know, ideological you know,

1000
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: sort of stereotypes filter into working together on common issues

1001
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: of common concern. And S. Forty seven the Big Public

1002
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: Lands Bill, as a classic example. I mean pretty much

1003
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: everybody in our community supported that. I mean there were

1004
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: some groups that didn't, but you know, they mostly just

1005
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: sat on the sideline, didn't oppose it. But that one

1006
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: had everything something for everybody had the wilderness areas monuments

1007
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: were congressionly and designated. It had the basically right to

1008
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: hunting fish on public lands unless those lands are specifically

1009
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: closed land water Conservation fund I mean access. Who can

1010
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: disagree with access? So I mean I think that at

1011
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Yeah, there are different personalities,

1012
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: there are different boards, there are different leanings of those organizations.

1013
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: But you know, it's I think I see it as

1014
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: our job as to try to bring them back together,

1015
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, to work together on things that shouldn't be

1016
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: partisan at all and not let petty personal politics get

1017
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: the way of this stuff. And I think as a

1018
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: community is we're saying before to record again that that

1019
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: we have the power. We have this this legacy constituency

1020
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: that that I would call more right leaning and growing

1021
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: constituency that's either centrist or left or whatever. And if

1022
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: we can bring those ideas and ideologies together, what power

1023
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: we would have across the board politically, socially, culturally, whatever

1024
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: however you line it out. Yeah, man, you know, in theory,

1025
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, forty plus million people in this country hunting fish,

1026
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: and you know that's you know, not a majority of

1027
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: any means, but that's a pretty significant block. And I

1028
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: think what makes us different than you're, you know, a

1029
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: lot of the other folks out there is that we

1030
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: actually get out in the field and we experience this stuff.

1031
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: We see what's happening, and we can speak to experience

1032
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: about the importance of being able to get into the

1033
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: back country or the loss of access close to home

1034
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: or a CWD and want us do into our deer hurts.

1035
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean, those are things we can all see because

1036
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: we're out there experiencing that, you know, not daily, if

1037
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: we're lucky, were daily, but you know, very infrequently my case,

1038
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: and so, but it's I think that gives us an

1039
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: entirely different perspective on these issues. And some of these

1040
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: issues go all the way back to you know, sort

1041
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: of Roosevelt's time, when you know, he and John Murr

1042
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,959
Speaker 1: were sort of debating, you know, conservation versus preservation, and yeah,

1043
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: there are certain areas you want to just lock them

1044
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: up and keep them the way they are now because

1045
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, all we can do is screw them up.

1046
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: And Roosevelt talked about that with the Grand Canyon. There

1047
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: are other areas, you know, Gifford Pin shows his first

1048
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: forest Risk Director, you know, that need to be managed,

1049
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: and I mean we're seeing that a lot of our

1050
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: western forest right now, you know, pine beetle kill, things

1051
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: like that. We just have this you know, monoculture of

1052
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,479
Speaker 1: dead and dying you know, force out there that needs

1053
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: to be managed, and your preservation is not an option

1054
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: you lock that up, it's just gonna blow up and

1055
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: burn someday. So I think that those are you know,

1056
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: sort of another part of the divide in the community

1057
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: is just that sort of historical divide about just you

1058
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: know what people like. Yeah, I mean, there's there's so

1059
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: many through lines. And we were another thing we were

1060
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: discussing while drinking beer before we hit record was it's

1061
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: just just like there's a lot of through lines in

1062
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: history that play out today. You know, when we talk

1063
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: about land transfer versus keeping it public, that's from the

1064
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: moment that we conceived of the group of folks you

1065
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: just mentioned at the turn of the century conceived of

1066
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: that idea. There was pushed back to that idea. We're

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01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: talking about railroad tycoons and robber barons and people and

1068
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, and at the turn of the century, we're

1069
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: pushing back on the ideas that we needed to preserve

1070
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: these things we needed to and the characters are a

1071
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: little bit different today, but it's the same kind of

1072
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: back and forth, almost identical. I mean, I think that is. Yeah,

1073
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: there are certain entities out their commercial entities that will

1074
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: favor immediate profit over the longest term, you know, sustainability

1075
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: for lack of better term, and Roosevelt fought it with

1076
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: the timber barons. And you know, Tim Egan's book The

1077
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: Big Burn is a great read for anybody to talk

1078
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: about sort of the depth of the hostility back in

1079
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: the nineteen over, the eighteen team, nineteen teens, nineteen oh

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01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: something's you know, when the first public lands are being

1081
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: create aided and not being established that point there wasn't

1082
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: a strong consistency for it. Today there is. And in

1083
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: the nineties seventies, Bureau Land Management, which is the largest

1084
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: of the federal land managing agencies, went from a philosophy

1085
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: of getting rid of land to retaining land. And I

1086
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: think that relate sort marks the end of the old

1087
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: mentality of getting rid of public lands to embracing it.

1088
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: And you know for all sorts of purposes. Yeah, mining, grazing,

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01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: those are legitimate interests on public lands, but so our

1090
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: wilderness and hiking and hunting and fishing. Yeah, well, so

1091
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: enter enter TRCP into this conversation. So layout for us

1092
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: kind of what TRCB is and what it does. Um, well,

1093
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: let's I think to do that. I mean, it's gonna

1094
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: go back to a little bit of the you know,

1095
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: the founding myth of the organization, which was this guy

1096
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: Jim Raine, who was Montana guy had a ranch up

1097
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: on the Missouri. You know, it was Howard Baker's chief

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01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: of staff. When Baker sent a majority leader in the

1099
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: early eighties under Reagan and Jim had been a long

1100
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: time sent a staffer with big and written big chunks

1101
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: of the early environmental laws, and at that time there

1102
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: was really no difference between Republicans and Democrats and environmental stuff.

1103
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: And he begame became excuse me, It became frustrated that

1104
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: he thought that our voice, that collective, sensible center of

1105
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: the sportsmen's community was ginning to be lost. You had

1106
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: the gun community moving further right, you had the environmental

1107
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: community moving further left and getting aligned with different parties.

1108
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: And he thought that, you know, just in the sportsmen community,

1109
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: in his mind, had really just retreated. They were paying

1110
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: attention there a little, you know, duct problems or trout

1111
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: problems are bass problems. Weren't talking with each other, and

1112
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, we're in jeopardy of losing a lot of

1113
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: the headway that we had made over the course of

1114
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: the twentieth century. So he would decide to create an

1115
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: organization that brought all those groups together to speaking a

1116
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: common voice on the big issues stuff that was too

1117
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: big for anyone group, um energy policy, public lands policy.

1118
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: So he did that and then today we've you know,

1119
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: grown to fifty nine normal partner groups. And all we

1120
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: focus on is federal policy. So, like you said, when

1121
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: you have somebody talks about, you know what Ducks and

1122
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: Limited does, it is pretty darn easy. They go in

1123
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: there and they protect or restore wetlands, and they're doing

1124
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: great things for Ducks. Turkey Federation unbelievable bringing back the turkeys.

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Speaker 1: You know, Trial Limited does great job protecting restoring headworstreies.

1126
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: And for us, you know, it's you know, it's a

1127
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: lot less. You know, clear understand that that's that's lazy.

1128
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: I love that stuff and you get dirty you're in it.

1129
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: But you know, all the things that make that possible

1130
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: our federal policy. And you have the North American Wetless

1131
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: Conservation Act that pays for all those wetlands restorations. You

1132
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: have the Farm Bill that pays for pheasants forever to

1133
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: go out and work with landowners to you know, put

1134
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: lands into conservation. And uh, you know those are you know,

1135
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: we have Land and Water Conservation Fund that pays for

1136
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,479
Speaker 1: access and protecting special places around the country. Farm Bill

1137
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: pays for restoring headwater streams. So there's a lot of

1138
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: things that people don't even realize that the federal government does,

1139
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: but are heatally important to It doesn't matter whether you're

1140
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: the Wild Cheap Foundation or you know, Trout Unlimited, and uh,

1141
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: you know that was the thing that you know, we

1142
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: try to work on is all those things that rise

1143
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: rise all boats. So if we're successful in getting better

1144
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: funding for the agencies, that means you know that all

1145
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: the you know, public lands users, including all the conservation groups,

1146
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: are successful. If we pull everyone together and get a

1147
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: good platform, you know, on farm bill years in advance

1148
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: before the new farm Bill, and really you know, try

1149
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: to enforce everyone's stick together and not scatter like a

1150
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: covey of quail when things get tough. You know, then

1151
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: we had rewarded with like we saw last fall, which

1152
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: was a really good farm bill for conservation. Not perfect,

1153
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: but basically we got pretty much everything that we wanted

1154
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: out of that bill in a time that is, you know,

1155
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: it's a tough times here. So I think that you know,

1156
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: we kind of I look at it as we do

1157
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: that sort of the dirty work that people don't really want,

1158
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: the sausage making in Washington that a lot of people

1159
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: don't care about, don't want to be involved with don't

1160
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: even want to about it, but it's really important that

1161
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: the guests done. Yeah, and that's why I really feel

1162
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: that my own understanding, and this the audience of this

1163
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: podcast and the media and incorporated as a whole. Their

1164
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: understanding exactly how you make the sausage, I think is

1165
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: important because I don't think you could give one full

1166
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: example of how you do each piece of legislation or

1167
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: how you influence policy as a whole. But let's let's

1168
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: just take like Land and Water Conservation Fund for an example. UM,

1169
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: that's been in the news. We talked about that a

1170
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: lot in recent months. UM, take us through in this

1171
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: last period of reauthorization, kind of how you guys worked

1172
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: on that piece of legislation and how you feel you

1173
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: were able to affect it and getting reauthorized. Yeah, just

1174
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: in case there was a new listener out there. Yes,

1175
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: Land of Water Conservation Fund. It was a fund that

1176
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,959
Speaker 1: was created in nine five by active Congress and it

1177
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,919
Speaker 1: was a deal. So when they opened up the Outer

1178
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: Continental Shelf to oil and gas development. The deal was

1179
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: that the oil and gas industry pays in nine million

1180
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: dollars annually into a fund that pays for natural resource

1181
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: conservation so you're using a non reliable resource and that

1182
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: pays into protecting renewable resources. And this worked great. The

1183
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: only problem is that it wasn't permanently reauthorized. It had

1184
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: to be reauthorized periodically along the way, most recently this

1185
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: past year, and it wasn't fully funded, so it wasn't guaranteed. Yeah,

1186
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: oil and gas industry has to pay into that fund

1187
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: every single year. Then Congress, whether benignly or accidentally or intentionally,

1188
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, did not make that automatic appropriation. So every

1189
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: year Congress had to decide how much of that nine

1190
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: million were actually gonna use for what what we're supposed to

1191
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: be used for and how much we're gonna divert for

1192
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: other things that we want to play with. And one year,

1193
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: it's been one year and fifty years. So but anyway,

1194
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: in this and and there's as the sort of had

1195
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: this or resentment of public lands with some of the

1196
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: Western members of Congress, and uh, you know, Jason Chaffits

1197
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: and Mike Lee's and Ted Cruzes who you know, there

1198
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: became you know, some there was more con learn over

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01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: the support for that fun you know existing. I mean,

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01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: it's the authorization ran out, you know, three years ago

1201
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: and we managed to get a three year extension, and

1202
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: there was still a lot of debate whether you know,

1203
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: we were going to be able to extend that again.

1204
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: And if it doesn't have an authorization, Congress can still

1205
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: kick money into it, but it just makes it harder.

1206
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: And it's one more thing that you know, people who

1207
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: hate the stuff can look at and say, this program

1208
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: isn't even authorized, why are we putting money into it

1209
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: because of an appropriation game. We have the money, but

1210
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: what do we do with it? So what we had

1211
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: to do was, you know, I mean, the environmental community

1212
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,439
Speaker 1: has been on this for a long time, but rightly

1213
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: or wrongly, this program has been perceived as something that's

1214
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: really good for like butterflies and you know, field mice

1215
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: someplace and these sort of you know, big acquisitions of

1216
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: pretty places, and there was sort of the disconnect that

1217
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: most of these places are great hunting of fishing places

1218
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: and have opened up a ton of access for our community.

1219
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: But we were not doing a very good job of

1220
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: making that story be told. So we've produced some reports

1221
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: and we really engaged the sportsman's community and a lot

1222
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: of our partners to weigh in as not just a

1223
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: detecting special places program, but a fundamental program of access

1224
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: because you know, we did that report last year with

1225
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: on X that documented nine and a half million acres

1226
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: out there public lands public can access, and this is

1227
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: one of those key tools we want to get access

1228
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: to those use it. You don't have to buy a

1229
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: hundred thousand acres. You can buy you know, fifty acres

1230
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: someplace that allows you to get an access to that

1231
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: national forest. But that funds that's coming from Land and

1232
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: Order Conservation Fund. So it's uh, I think is we

1233
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: were just part of a broader chorus of groups saying

1234
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: this made a ton of sense. I think another thing

1235
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: that really helped on that one was engaging the outdoor

1236
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: recreation industry and really making the case that this is

1237
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: about jobs too. You know, the outdoor recreation industry at

1238
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: eight eighty seven billion dollar year industry, which puts it,

1239
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: you know, second or third overall in the categories of

1240
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 1: this economy's two point two percent of g g DP.

1241
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: Me it's a big deal. But you know everyone looks

1242
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: as as are you guys just that's you're the fun industry.

1243
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: You know, that's not really serious jobs. But it is

1244
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: serious jobs and so we can make that case that

1245
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: not only doing the right thing for you know, wildlife

1246
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: and for access, you're doing the right thing for your

1247
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: local economy. And I think all those things came together.

1248
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: We had overwhelming support by the end of the day,

1249
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: and uh, it was a good success story. And so

1250
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: you're in your position as president CEO, you're burning the

1251
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:24,480
Speaker 1: phone lines down, calling, calling other organizations, calling sometimes association

1252
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: like how are you. Yeah, there's a certain amount of that.

1253
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you're making some last minute calls because you

1254
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: hear that so and so and and again. In Congress

1255
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: there's always a ton of horse trading. I mean, okay, fine,

1256
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 1: I'll support your LWCFF. You support my stupid ass project

1257
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: over here. And I think of a good acronym, you're

1258
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: stupid as right. So the yeah, I mean there's a

1259
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: certain amount of you know, just sort of solidifying you know,

1260
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: folks on in various offices. This is a good thing.

1261
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: But you know, by the time that thing was going down,

1262
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, the heavy work had been done, and so

1263
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: there was not a ton of last minute movement, and

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01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: there was some. But then we have a really good staff.

1265
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: You know, Steve Klins are coming to as director, and

1266
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: you know Andrew Wilkins or you know what, he is

1267
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: the house stuff for us, and Christy Plumber overseas, all

1268
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: that stuff. They were working a lot harder than I was.

1269
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: I guarantee that. And so let's let's hopefully everybody and

1270
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: we had Steve Klein on we were when we were

1271
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 1: live streaming, live streaming c span for probably the first

1272
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: and last time. Hey, maybe we'll see you never know,

1273
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: c spanking didn't get interesting again? Probably not. Um, So

1274
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: let's let's move away from that and then and talk

1275
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 1: about the farm bills specifically, because I think, as we

1276
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: were talking before, our company, Media and Corporate is based

1277
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: in Bozeman. Well, you're sitting a long way from Bozeman. Um,

1278
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: there's some confirmation bias I feel built into the Western aesthetic,

1279
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 1: build into the Western mindset, the aspirational mindset of go West,

1280
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: go hunting. Oh, you live in Texas, but you better

1281
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: go to Colorado and to chase Elk. So same thing

1282
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: with you. You live in Iowa, there's a lot of

1283
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 1: white tails, but if you really want to experience hunting,

1284
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: you gotta go to Montana and and Chase Meal Dere

1285
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: or whatever the case. There is I believe some confirmation

1286
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: bias around things like land or conservation because because you

1287
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: start to talk about access, it's not as simple as

1288
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 1: the just one word. But that's how it kind of

1289
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: shakes out in my mind. So let's talk about the

1290
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 1: farm Bill specifically, how you guys work on it, and

1291
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: then you know how you're able to improve it for

1292
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: for both the environment but then also for hunters anglers.

1293
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: So a little bit of background. The farm Bill is

1294
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: created back in the you know, the conservation you know,

1295
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,600
Speaker 1: it's essentially a program that all the conservation stuff is

1296
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: created back in the eighties during the farm crisis, and

1297
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: they needed a way to pay farmers not to farm,

1298
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 1: and so they thought up, boy, let's let's pay them

1299
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: to you know, do conservation but just not farming. And uh,

1300
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: you know, it turned out to be really popular. Things

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01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: like the conservation reserve program not only popular because it

1302
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: gave you know, farmers a paycheck when things are really tough,

1303
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: but also discovered that these places like grow peasant and

1304
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: white tails and like like crazy, and so a whole

1305
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 1: different constituency is sort of built up around those. But

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01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, that's just one program of many in the

1307
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 1: Farm Bill. So the Farm Bill is you know, five

1308
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 1: billion dollars, you know, anyway, which is you know, it's

1309
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: the largest conservation program in this country. You know, two

1310
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 1: thirds of the country or seven percent of the country

1311
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: is in private hands, and about half of that is

1312
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: in you know, either a farm or farm or forestry.

1313
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: And you know, so it is a huge swath of

1314
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: this country. And as honestly as we're you know, not

1315
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: necessarily in the west, but here in the east. You know,

1316
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: those are the lands of folks hunt on and they

1317
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: fish on. And if they don't fish on them, they

1318
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: benefit from the fact there are shelter belts there that

1319
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: produce clean water to go into the streams they do

1320
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: fish on. So and it's a very different program than

1321
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: a lot of others, you know what you think of

1322
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: a lot of the programs that Congress passes environment involving

1323
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: the environment, as things like the Clean Water Act the

1324
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 1: Clean Air Act, which are prohibitive. It tells you what

1325
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,719
Speaker 1: you cannot do. You can't dump this crap into the stream,

1326
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: you can't spew this out of a smokestack. The Farm

1327
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: Bill is almost completely voluntary, so it's like I don't

1328
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: have to do this, but if you want to do this,

1329
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 1: we've got pretty good money for you to enroll in

1330
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: this program and help you do it. And we have

1331
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: a whole agency and RCS Natural Resource Conservation Service that

1332
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: is set up there to help you. And then groups

1333
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 1: like you know, Duxi, Limit Infestis Forever are also out

1334
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: there to go and help you, you know, get into

1335
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: these programs and have them be successful and have you

1336
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: out of good experience as a landowner. And so it's

1337
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: something that has really built on that initial you know

1338
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 1: vision of just trying to pay farmers not to produce

1339
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: to something that's way more important than that. So we

1340
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,719
Speaker 1: come in every again, a guess reauthorized every five years,

1341
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 1: and it is a you know, sort of weird coalition

1342
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: of urban and rural that come together to pass it

1343
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: because food stamps are also included in the farm bill.

1344
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: And uh that was intentional because I think both the

1345
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 1: urban interests as well as rural interests figured they could

1346
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: not do this by themselves. They had to create that alliance.

1347
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 1: And so you have the you know, the food stamp program,

1348
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: which is the sumplemental nutrition program. You know that is

1349
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, sort of guaranteed markets for far mers that

1350
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: certainly one supplies the other exactly, and but politically it

1351
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 1: means that you have this sort of weird, you know,

1352
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: urban center supporting the farm bill and this very rural

1353
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: center and that's why we've always passed him, and that's

1354
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 1: why they've always been bipartisan. But that that that speaks

1355
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: to like how our politics actually go. I mean, I've

1356
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: lived in the states like Illinois, where you live in

1357
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: Champagne or Peoria, all the all the political power sits

1358
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: in Chicago. So this may be an example where those

1359
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,560
Speaker 1: two things can actually work. Togain absolutely everyone wins in

1360
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: this one. So so what we did was but there

1361
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: are a lot of competing interests in the farm bill.

1362
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: I mean obviously there's you know, the conservation title is

1363
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: just one title of you know, a bunch of different things.

1364
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, our challenge had always been to

1365
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: you know, state united. So literally, you know, two plus

1366
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 1: years as we approached the two thousand eighteen you know,

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01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: elapse of the farm Bill, Yeah, we pulled everybody together

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01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: and basically got everybody and put out a white paper

1369
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: as to what our collective communities were for the farm bill.

1370
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: And then you know, we created a working group called

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01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: the Agriculture and Wildlife Working Group, which probably has thirty

1372
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 1: different groups in it. You know, the usual suspects, the

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01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: ducts and limited Devices, Forever Turkey Federation, but you know

1374
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 1: some of the you know, American Sport Fishing Association, Trout

1375
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: Limited because you know, all of those guys have a

1376
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: stake and well managed public and private lands. And then

1377
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: the challenge for us is, you know, take those broad

1378
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: ideas what we wanted, and then you know, stick with

1379
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: them as we got into nutcutting time, you know, for

1380
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: the Farm Bill, as it was coming to the end,

1381
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 1: and you know, and and part of it was, you know,

1382
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: for example, on the House side, you know Mike Conaway,

1383
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 1: who at that time was the chair of the House

1384
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 1: a Committee. You know, he put together a proposal that

1385
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: you know, cutting a big chunk of money out of

1386
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 1: the Farm Bill, and it has some important reforms and

1387
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: there are things to like about it, but in the

1388
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 1: bottom line, it was it took a bunch of money

1389
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: away from it. And you know, but by the end

1390
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: of the process, you know, we honored him. That are

1391
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: a big event a couple of weeks ago, you know,

1392
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: because he sort of changed tune mid course and realized that,

1393
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, we could do more and we could have

1394
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 1: reforms of these programs, and now he's a huge champion

1395
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 1: of it. So part of our job is to you know,

1396
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: not destroy these people when they put out a bad proposal,

1397
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: but to just you know, work with them and see

1398
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: if we can't make it better, and you help them

1399
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 1: have it be their idea. At the end of the day.

1400
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: This seems idealistic. I love it. It worked. It worked.

1401
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: I love it. I need people need I need I know,

1402
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: I personally need examples like that. I need to hear that.

1403
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 1: I need to hear that articulated in a way that

1404
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: like we've we have very contentious issue, it's wide ranging,

1405
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: but we were able to have to win in this way,

1406
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 1: and I think it's important. No too, It wasn't just

1407
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: the fact that you have a bunch of lobbyists going

1408
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: there and talking to him. It was the fact that

1409
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: you know, these groups have members, and those members are

1410
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 1: in these members districts, and so when you know Howard

1411
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: Vincent Pheasants forever mobilizes their guys on behalf of the RP,

1412
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 1: it is really important. You know, same thing with the

1413
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: duxilemented guys in the wetlands programs, the easement programs, and

1414
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, so it really goes to the point where

1415
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: you don't like federal policy, that's fine. But if you

1416
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: get you liked phasants forever and you've got a note

1417
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 1: from them saying okay, it's time to engage, listen to

1418
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: them and engage. Yeah, and that's that goes to you know,

1419
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: one of the points and wanted to talk to you

1420
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: is to be able to better to find how that works.

1421
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: You know, we have a lot we were talking before,

1422
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: We have a lot of people that give money these organizations.

1423
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: It's easy to celebrate the bigger ideas, right, so he's

1424
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 1: just to celebrate access and habits at but understanding exactly

1425
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: where not only where your money goes, well where your

1426
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 1: efforts go. You know, like you said, single issue organization

1427
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,799
Speaker 1: is kind of easy. Oh, more nesting grounds, more ducks,

1428
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: healthier populations, those types of things. But understanding that the

1429
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: inner workings I think is important. Yeah. You know, so

1430
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 1: we're we have some lobbyists on staff. I think we

1431
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: have three registered lobbyists, which is actually not a ton um. So,

1432
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,759
Speaker 1: but all we work on is, you know, federal policy.

1433
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: So you sort of ask girl, how can you do

1434
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: all that without lobbyists. So the majority of our staff

1435
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 1: are actually out in the field, So we have guys

1436
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 1: in all the Rocky mountains stay it is pretty much

1437
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: you know, in the Gulf Coast, you know, Northeast. And

1438
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: what they're really doing is they're organizing. So when they

1439
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 1: see something like a you know, threat to public lands,

1440
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, they're going and mobilizing local businesses, local rod

1441
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: and gun clubs, you know, chapters of national organizations that

1442
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 1: may not be being attention to this stuff and getting

1443
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 1: them to weigh in on these federal issues. And you know,

1444
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: so it's you know, it's pretty diffuse, but it's all

1445
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 1: focused on a single goal, which is you know, better

1446
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 1: policy and both you know, it's the focus on Congress

1447
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: and you know, passing good stuff and preventing bad stuff.

1448
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: But just as importantly are the agencies that are then

1449
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 1: in charge of, you know, implementing the stuff on the ground.

1450
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 1: So over the next few years we'll have a big

1451
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: push to make sure that the programs in the Farm

1452
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: Bill are properly implemented. And that is you know, really

1453
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: unglamorous work and it's not something that we can do

1454
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: being in the field. But we can get because we

1455
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,759
Speaker 1: have this broad network of partners, you know, the turkeys,

1456
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: the pheasants, the ducks, you know, name them. You know,

1457
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: we will get reports from them just saying we got

1458
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: a real problem without you know, the fact we haven't

1459
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: had a CRP sign up yet. And so then we'll

1460
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: mobilize our forces inside DC to start putting pressure on

1461
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: us d A to you know, do a sign up.

1462
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just one example. But it doesn't work

1463
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 1: without the partner groups, and it doesn't work without the

1464
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: power in DC. You know, he's sort of how to

1465
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, pull those levers. Yeah, I mean these things

1466
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:22,719
Speaker 1: are far reaching. I mean, talking about the farm bill,

1467
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: the way people farm on the Mississippi River affects coastal

1468
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 1: regions in Florida. It affects the dead zone in the

1469
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: Gulf of Mexico. I mean it is you know, so

1470
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: when you talk about the Everglades and some of the

1471
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: issues going down there, like, to me, these connection points

1472
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: are important, right, this is my region, This is happening

1473
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: to me, but it's it's being affected long long ways away.

1474
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: So can you talk kind of about how managing the

1475
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: farm bill and getting people to do it right is better,

1476
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, for the whole ecosystem or or several ecosystems. Yeah,

1477
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: the you know, the the impacts are you know, pretty

1478
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned a classic one, which is, you know,

1479
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, the fact of what as farmer does with

1480
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: his you know, a few tiles a field in South Dakota.

1481
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: You know that no longer is sucking in that you know,

1482
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: dirty water and cleaning it up for I guess released

1483
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: in the tributary that then has been channelized to that

1484
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,799
Speaker 1: dumps into the Mississippi River that then, you know, feeds

1485
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: all that you know, the crap goes downstream, you know,

1486
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: creates that dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico. It also,

1487
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: you know, sort of exasperates the flooding because nature has

1488
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 1: a way through wetlands of slowing that water down when

1489
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: it comes down heavy. So like we're seeing right now

1490
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: and that MSIs River drainage is largely a result of

1491
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: the fact that we have done a really poor job

1492
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 1: and protecting you know, those natural buffers along that river

1493
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: that should be you know, capturing that water and cleaning

1494
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: it and releasing it slowly over time. Instead we've tiled it.

1495
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: So it's going straight into the big River and it

1496
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: is blasting down there. So we got a big rain,

1497
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: that's what we're seeing. And I think that you people

1498
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 1: have to understand that. You know, programs like a farm bill, Yeah,

1499
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: they're going to be applied at one farm at a time,

1500
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: but collectively they make a huge difference whether you're a

1501
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: red fish fisherman, the gull our pheasant hunters South Dakota. Yeah,

1502
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: if Everglades, you know, look at those issues that's in

1503
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: our farm bill issue. But you know what happening further

1504
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: upstream in Florida is impacting the quality Everglades is impacting

1505
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, a title blooms in the east and west

1506
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: coast of Florida. So I mean this stuff all runs downstream,

1507
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, a little simple solutions local they help,

1508
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:24,600
Speaker 1: but they're not the whole solution. There's got be a

1509
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: whole bunch of those little solutions. Yeah, And it's it's

1510
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 1: a nice dichotomy. And for we have a little a

1511
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: secret project that meta right now that we're working on

1512
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: that will release here um over the summer. That kind

1513
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 1: of goes to this, like, Okay, you're back sixty year,

1514
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: your back forty might feel insular to you and may

1515
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: feel as though like you're just raising big bucks, or

1516
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: you want more pheasants, or you want more of the

1517
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: immediacy of even if you're thinking about bio diversity just

1518
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: for your own purposes of hunting, every person who wants

1519
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: the American dream to have that back forty can make

1520
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 1: a difference on on that singular level. And then there's

1521
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 1: folks like you and t R c P who are

1522
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: making sure the broad swath of legislations in place to

1523
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: allow that to happen. I mean, that's the motto, you know,

1524
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: act locally, think globally man and it really, you know,

1525
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: it was you know, perfectly attuned to this stuff because

1526
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, you can't do one without the other. Yeah,

1527
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: and so yeah, over this this super top secret project,

1528
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: now that I'm sure everybody is now very interested in

1529
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 1: that I made a top secret, we've been able to

1530
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 1: see that working with you know, having a piece of land,

1531
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: working with it, understanding what the options are for a

1532
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: new landowner, and how it can can contribute to pollinators

1533
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: and how contributed to the biodiversity of the landscape, and

1534
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 1: and how you can work with a co op of

1535
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: people around you, your neighbors and your neighboring landowners to

1536
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 1: to truly make a difference. I think there's for everyone

1537
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 1: listening who thinks this might this might be a little

1538
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: bit above above their pay grade, it's really not. If you,

1539
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: if you have a dream to own land, or you

1540
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: currently own land, you can make a difference, and you

1541
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 1: can do it through the Farm Bill and through c

1542
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 1: RP and other programs. Yeah, and they're you know, these

1543
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 1: are the centers are real. And you know, if you're

1544
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: the clever farmers out there, you know, sort of piggyback

1545
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of them. You know. For example, there's another

1546
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: program in the Farm Bill, you know, the Voluntary Public

1547
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: Access Habitat Improvement Program, which pays landers open pays landowners

1548
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 1: open that land up to republic hunting and fishing. So

1549
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,600
Speaker 1: you you may already have you know, you know, you

1550
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: know for land and c RP here you know, some

1551
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 1: sort of easeman on another section in your land. Now

1552
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: you have that on it too. All of a sudden,

1553
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,719
Speaker 1: you're getting some pretty decent money for doing what's really

1554
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: right for the environment. And and you and me, oh,

1555
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of private landers

1556
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 1: that they buy land with the opportunity to know I

1557
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: can get this if I do these three programs, it

1558
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 1: basically pays for the property. I have to abide by

1559
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: these guidelines over my course of time. I own it

1560
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: is peace. But if I'm buying it for recreational purposes,

1561
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:57,600
Speaker 1: these federal programs will basically pay pay its way and

1562
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 1: I'll get to go hunting. All I have to do

1563
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: is help manage the land, right you know, I think

1564
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 1: that's that's a big deal. Um. So I think speaking

1565
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: of that, I wanna I worry about issue fatigue with

1566
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: c w D. I worry that people are that that

1567
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,839
Speaker 1: we're pointing the finger at this boogeyman and and continually

1568
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: talking about it in these conceptual ways. Um. I think

1569
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 1: everyone knows chronic waste disease. It's an issue in the

1570
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 1: Western States. It's the Eastern States. I grew up. I mean,

1571
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: I grew up in western Maryland. We had CBD like

1572
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: eight years ago and Green Ridge, um Stay Forest where

1573
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: I hunted, and they shut it. I think they shut

1574
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 1: deer hunting down for at least a year or two

1575
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 1: before when they could get testing. So it's it's been around.

1576
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 1: It's it's more prevalent now I think than ever it's

1577
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: increasingly so UM. So we won't bang that bang that

1578
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: drump too much. But from a policy level, where are we,

1579
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: So we're making a headway, I think. So We've got

1580
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: I think four different bills in Congress right now that

1581
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: would increase money for UM research. And that includes you know,

1582
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: the CDC work on the prions and you know, susceptibility

1583
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 1: of humans when things like that, but it's also just

1584
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: sort of know how is it spread? And then that

1585
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: research goes into things like can there be a live

1586
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 1: test develop for the captive industry that can tell them

1587
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 1: if an animal is sick or not so they don't

1588
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: have to you know, sort of kill them before they

1589
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: figure it out, which eventually will lead to a decent

1590
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 1: dead tests. So if you and I killed, you know,

1591
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 1: deer of someplace, we can either take it a local

1592
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: check station or even do it ourselves. Ideally you know

1593
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: really quickly whether those deer is diseased or not. So

1594
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 1: that's the research side of it. But that's all that's

1595
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 1: all based all that most of if not all that

1596
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: legislation based on funding or federal based fundings, all money,

1597
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,440
Speaker 1: and then the other part of the money is that APHIS,

1598
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 1: which is the ahole Agriculture Health. I'm kind of butcher

1599
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: the acronym, but basically a department within the section of

1600
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: the Department of Agriculture that funds and stuff, and the

1601
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 1: old days they would fund just when this first popped up,

1602
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: there about fifteen million dollars twelve and fifteen we'll go

1603
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: out to the states to pay for testing and surveillance

1604
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 1: those states, so they knew if they would have it

1605
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: or not. You know, since you know, it's then that

1606
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 1: money died away and so that doesn't doesn't exist anymore.

1607
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: So we need to do is get that money back

1608
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 1: in another fifteen million and where we think we're gonna

1609
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: be able to do that this year. That will then

1610
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: go back to the states because right now those states

1611
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 1: don't have any money dedicated for doing this stuff. They're

1612
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 1: taking our license dollars, you know, or they're pitt and

1613
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,600
Speaker 1: Robertson dollars that really should be going to have that restoration,

1614
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 1: you know, poaching management, you know, things like that, and

1615
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 1: they're having to do this because it's such a threat.

1616
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: So by giving them that extra money, then you know,

1617
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: at least will be able to document where they have

1618
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 1: a problem. In the states that really want to do

1619
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: a good job, you will have the resource to go

1620
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 1: do it. I mean, look at Illinois, which has you know,

1621
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: done a really good job of managing it, so it's

1622
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: less than one percent problems in the state and it's

1623
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: you know, and hunter has been a part of that.

1624
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: I mean, they've whacked populations hard in places where it

1625
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 1: was and that's what you need to do. Um but

1626
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: you know, Illinois is still a great place to hunt,

1627
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: and you know, the problems is so low that people

1628
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: don't really need to worry about it there. Look up

1629
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 1: at Wisconsin, where they basically botched their response. You know,

1630
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: Doug During can talk about more like this. Doug During

1631
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: is like throwing fire bombs. It's it's over problems. Send

1632
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of counties up there, and they basically have

1633
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: so botched it that you know, I don't know what

1634
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna do long term, but we need to get

1635
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 1: that sort of recognition out among all the various states,

1636
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, and give them the resource to deal with it.

1637
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,560
Speaker 1: So that and listen, we're part of the problem to

1638
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 1: the hunters. I mean, the state says we need to

1639
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: hit a deer or herd hard. We have to hit

1640
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: it hard. I mean, believe the biologists. They're not a

1641
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 1: bunch of quacks. This is not a plot by the

1642
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 1: insurance company. So don't take the bones and run them

1643
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 1: over to the next state. No, No, I mean, you know,

1644
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 1: do us right, and we can be a part of

1645
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 1: the solution here. If you you hit me, kill a

1646
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: buck out in Wisconsin, don't throw in the back of

1647
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: your pickup truck and drive it back to Virginia, okay,

1648
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 1: because that's how we're spreading the disease to I mean, obviously,

1649
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 1: the captive side is a real issue here, you know,

1650
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: moving around these live animals all the time, and that

1651
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: has to be taken. You know. I'd be very much

1652
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 1: in favor of a straight up moratorium on any interstate

1653
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 1: movement of live deer, and I think Congress want to

1654
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: do that. I don't know they're quite there yet, but

1655
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: I think that has to happen. We were inching closer

1656
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 1: to it though, aren't weally hope so, I mean, I

1657
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 1: think I think if there was a time, or if

1658
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: you would have said that some years ago, the people

1659
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 1: to strike it down. Look at the industry, like the

1660
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: profit look at the look at its cultural significance, kind

1661
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: of like in Texas. But now I just think because

1662
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 1: of our CDPD is it's forcing people to think, well,

1663
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: if I had to give this part of it up,

1664
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure if you talk to some folks

1665
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 1: in the breeders associations for for deer, they would not agree.

1666
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: But if we have to give this part of it

1667
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: up to help eliminate the spread a CPD, we we

1668
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,640
Speaker 1: should and write should do it now? Well, and I

1669
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 1: think that, yeah, I don't think the breeders are ever

1670
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 1: going to be our side on this one because they

1671
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 1: have to make a lot of money with some jackasses

1672
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:47,679
Speaker 1: want to pay twenty five bucks to kill a deer

1673
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:49,959
Speaker 1: in a pen. But it's going to be the incentive

1674
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: to do the wrong thing. It's less them, it's more

1675
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: like Texas trophy hunters and or is it just like

1676
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: that where you can come and say, look, here's the science,

1677
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: here's the data. And I think that the you know,

1678
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: my I have a lot less concerned with these sort

1679
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: of profitable operations. You know. The bigger guys, you know, yeah,

1680
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 1: they have the money to do it right. They can

1681
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 1: do the double fencing, they can do the proper testing,

1682
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:11,719
Speaker 1: you know, and we're talking right now, we're talking about

1683
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: in basically more terman interstate movement, and a lot of

1684
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 1: states prohibit the movement alive, dear in and out already,

1685
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: which I think all of them ought to do. So,

1686
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, if Texas want to keep moving deer

1687
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: around internally, and that's their issue, I think actually they

1688
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 1: have probably a better control on it than a lot

1689
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 1: of states too. But in general, we can't let it

1690
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 1: have happened. Is this sort of the tail wag the dog,

1691
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 1: which is you know, these sort of barely capitalized marginal producers,

1692
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 1: they're cutting the corners, they're moving deer all around. You know,

1693
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: those are the guys that are opposed the real threat

1694
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: to our industry. Yeah. Ellen, As this threat grows, so

1695
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: does the advocacy for the response. Right. It's weird that

1696
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: we had I had the guys from Sports and Alliance on.

1697
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: They said, you know, as a as a as an

1698
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: industry or a community, we don't wait till the wolves

1699
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 1: at our door. We wait till it's in the bed

1700
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 1: with us. We wait till it's already it's already on.

1701
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 1: It is too late in some cases, the infectious is

1702
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: ease like this one. Yeah, exactly what we and we

1703
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,600
Speaker 1: don't know where it's going to go, and I just

1704
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 1: think we have to be aggressive and tackling it, and

1705
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: the FEDS certainly have a role in terms of funding.

1706
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 1: What we also need to do is look at you know,

1707
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: the U. S Department BA Agriculture has a herd certification

1708
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 1: program that it certifies C two b D free herds

1709
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: half the unfit new infections. This past year we're in

1710
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 1: C two b D free hurts. I mean, it's a

1711
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 1: freaking joke. So we're trying to do is get the

1712
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: General Counting Office to actually go out or National Academy

1713
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 1: of Science go out and do a study of that

1714
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 1: herd certification program, which how that you possibly you know,

1715
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: I mean, the problem is that the current test, the

1716
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,679
Speaker 1: current live test, can only tell you if an animal

1717
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:43,719
Speaker 1: does have it. It can't tell you if it doesn't

1718
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: have it, because it may not have you know, established

1719
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 1: enough in the body of the animal to give you

1720
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 1: a true reading. So you know, it's just we don't

1721
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: have the science to do that, right. And the notion

1722
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 1: that we're certifying any herd as C t b D free, right,

1723
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: now is pretty ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a chuckle

1724
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 1: like it's like, oh, we're good here, let's move on here,

1725
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:08,879
Speaker 1: let's move on, guys. Um, well, let's as we're tackling

1726
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: these tougher subjects, let's move on to climate change. I

1727
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 1: feel like it's it's very similar to c w D

1728
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: in a a broad sense. It's like, as this becomes

1729
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: a bigger problem, as we see real tangible differences in

1730
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: wildlife habitat and wildlife populations and our resource being affected

1731
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 1: by what we can deduce to be climate changes, I think,

1732
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:34,679
Speaker 1: and we were talking about this a little bit earlier,

1733
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 1: I think that everyone's a little more comfortable now talking

1734
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 1: about one talking about the issue but then acting on

1735
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: the issue. Um, so set us up from from your

1736
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 1: perspective where you sit, where climate change is, and kind

1737
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: of our ability to act on some of the things

1738
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: we're seeing. Well, I think that you know, our community

1739
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,639
Speaker 1: tends to be on the front lines of seeing it. Yeah.

1740
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: So we see later duck migrations, we see moving out

1741
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 1: of the mountains. Later, we see you know, moose being

1742
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 1: eaten alive by checks because it's not getting cold enough anymore.

1743
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,599
Speaker 1: Killed the ticks. Um. You know, there are a whole

1744
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 1: bunch of different examples. We see the allegible algal blooms

1745
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:08,639
Speaker 1: in a lot of places. Um. So I think it's

1746
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: not a question of you know, isn't happening. It's happening.

1747
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,760
Speaker 1: And I think that our community can speak, you know,

1748
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: in a voice that's very unique on this whole issue

1749
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: that we're out there, we're seeing it. Yeah, we're gonna

1750
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: drive cars and we're gonna heed our houses, but we

1751
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 1: gotta do something about this. And I think that if

1752
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 1: you look at solutions our community, you know, the hunting

1753
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 1: fishing community was very involved during the two thousand's r CP,

1754
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, pulled together our various partners, ducks, pheasants, trout bass,

1755
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 1: and produced a couple of books called Season's End then

1756
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 1: Beyond Season's End that talked about, you know, what was

1757
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,640
Speaker 1: impacts of climate change on hunting and fishing and then

1758
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: possible solutions and uh in around two thousand ten, you know,

1759
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 1: basically after the whole you know, cap and trade issue failed,

1760
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: in this issue really became you know, part of polarized

1761
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: in partisan. You know, a lot of our community just

1762
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 1: retreated from the issue, just didn't want to talk about it.

1763
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: They didn't want their boards didn't want them to talk

1764
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 1: about it, and so I think our community was unfortunately

1765
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: silent for many years, and I started I think they're

1766
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 1: starting to see a change in that more folks are

1767
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,520
Speaker 1: talking about it. Um. I mean, the impacts are undeniable,

1768
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 1: and the longer we do nothing, the worst is going

1769
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 1: to get. But I also think that a lot of

1770
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 1: solutions are things that are really actually very good for

1771
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 1: our community. And we talked about before. If you do

1772
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: like active management on those diseased forest areas, you know,

1773
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: that is really important because those are going to blow

1774
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 1: up and just burn at some point. And if we

1775
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: can get rid of that wood and use it to

1776
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: something productive and replant and recreate those forests, I mean,

1777
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 1: that's great wildlife habitat, jobs for local communities, and it

1778
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 1: helps to the climate situation and what a beautiful like

1779
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: you know. And I do want to talk about kind

1780
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 1: of the Atlantic Flyway and so that because I'm from here,

1781
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: you live here, like this is something I care about.

1782
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people on Maryland's eastern shore

1783
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 1: that are would call me up be like, hey, you

1784
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 1: know you have a voice, Why don't you talk about this, UM,

1785
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: what's really going on? And the beauty of this is

1786
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 1: there's an intersection of industry and environment right where even

1787
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: in our communities, like the waterfowl outfitting industry certainly cares

1788
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: about the number of ducks that are coming down their way,

1789
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 1: UM and what produces those ducks, while a healthy environment,

1790
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:18,719
Speaker 1: healthy ecosystems, UM climates that are stable. And so let's

1791
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: can you talk a little bit. We'll we'll we'll frame

1792
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 1: it up with the Atlantic Flyway kind of talk through

1793
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 1: kind of how that, how that's been circulated. Yeah, and

1794
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: there again, there are people that know this issue a

1795
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 1: lot better than I do too, But I think I

1796
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 1: think you're so one you're saying, you know, that's the

1797
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: timing of migrations is much different than it has been historically, UM,

1798
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:41,040
Speaker 1: which you know throws havoc into seasons and you know,

1799
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 1: even just you and me making hunting plans because you

1800
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: don't even know if the ducks are going to be

1801
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 1: there or the geese are going to be there at

1802
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: that time. Second, we've seen you know, a lot more

1803
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 1: difficulties and breeding up and especially the northern areas from there,

1804
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 1: prairie pottles that doesn't affect the Atlantic flyaway, but you

1805
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: know northern Canada and you know that is a direct relation.

1806
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 1: And that's just the climate is changing dramatically up there,

1807
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 1: and it's gonna become a lot more volatile, and you know,

1808
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 1: reproductive success is going to be a lot more reliable

1809
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: than it used to be. And so it's not the

1810
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 1: end of the world, but it's a clear warning sign

1811
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,640
Speaker 1: that something bad is happening. And you would just you know,

1812
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 1: Maryland is down to you know, like one goose a day,

1813
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: and you know, which is just unthinkable a few years ago.

1814
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 1: I've I've got some like s os text messages and

1815
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 1: phone calls, voicemails from people that I know on the

1816
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 1: shore like do you understand like well, you know, oh

1817
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 1: you guys a meeting or doing the the pine beetle

1818
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 1: articles this Come over here and talk about this right now,

1819
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 1: because this is a real serious issue. It's a huge issue.

1820
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 1: And you know, the economy on the Eastern Shore is

1821
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: actually built up around warterfoll hunt. This is and uh

1822
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: festivals about what pole festivals you go to Havard of Grace,

1823
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 1: all the decoy making and the waterfowl festivals, and it's

1824
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 1: it's awesome and it's a great tradition and you know

1825
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 1: that is very much at risk right now. And so again,

1826
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: I just think this is an issue that we can't

1827
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,680
Speaker 1: just sit on our hands and listen. It's not just

1828
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 1: one thing. Yes, development, it's you know, sure as climate,

1829
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 1: but it's a whole bunch of other issues as well.

1830
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,759
Speaker 1: But you know, let's you know, let's take a holistic

1831
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: approach and do what we can and all of them. Yeah. Yeah,

1832
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: Like I said, I tend to think more broadly than

1833
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 1: than most folks, and I do. I really enjoy being

1834
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 1: able to discuss an issue where it does kind of

1835
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 1: the two ideologies kind of cross right, where where we

1836
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 1: can say that if you farm better, you're going to

1837
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:33,679
Speaker 1: get a better environment. If you get a better environment,

1838
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: you get more game. So no matter what you're thinking

1839
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 1: in regards to your political leanings or your ideologies, this

1840
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 1: all comes together in a nice package. Same here, if

1841
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:46,599
Speaker 1: if you take care of the environment and you live

1842
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Shore and you love to hunt ducks,

1843
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 1: you will get a result. And again, I mean, you know,

1844
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 1: I agriculture has a huge role in here in terms

1845
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 1: of carbon sequestration, and uh, I think we have proven

1846
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 1: over time there are firm as are really clever, and

1847
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 1: you get them a sentuce to do the right thing,

1848
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 1: they're going to figure out how to do it as

1849
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 1: a community. They're the best at that, absolutely, I mean,

1850
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:08,679
Speaker 1: the best of that. And you know, so let's say, okay,

1851
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,600
Speaker 1: let's say goal a major goal of the you know,

1852
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 1: next farm bill ought to be, you know, carbon sequestration.

1853
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 1: How do we do that more? Then you know, let's

1854
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 1: give them a sentuce to do that stuff. And by

1855
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 1: the way, it's gonna be great for fishing wildlife too,

1856
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, let's let's push on that. And

1857
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 1: that's not something scariest, not shutting down the American economy. No,

1858
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 1: And I think that all the dogmas, all the political dogmas,

1859
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:29,600
Speaker 1: the things that are trotted out by both sides to

1860
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 1: kind of scare their constituencies into remaining in their corners,

1861
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 1: start to kind of be lessened by these conversations, Like

1862
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 1: you start saying, hey, I understand that you think that

1863
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 1: it's all about jobs in the economy, but this does that,

1864
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 1: all right, this can do that if we do it right, right,

1865
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 1: I think, if we create this, I mean, you know,

1866
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 1: America is a fundamentally optimistic nation. That's right, and uh,

1867
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 1: let's put let's use this as a challenge and figure

1868
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: out how we're going to address it, and you know,

1869
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 1: perucial holders into it and do it. And I think

1870
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:00,040
Speaker 1: that our community, because we're not you know, sterie a

1871
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: type left or right, has a real opportunity to play

1872
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 1: a leading role in this. What's I'm gonna ask you

1873
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 1: a real tough question. Now, all the people. If I'm

1874
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 1: if I'm a regular guy here's listening to this, maybe

1875
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm a member of b h A, I'm I'm I'm

1876
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 1: involved with the RCP at some level. I'm interested in

1877
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 1: these topics. What when it comes to climbs you, what

1878
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 1: the hell can I do well? I mean, you know,

1879
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 1: first of all, you know, I think that we have

1880
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:28,639
Speaker 1: to show tell you what it is you can do.

1881
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: I mean, that's been part of the problem is that

1882
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 1: there is no concrete action in terms of federal policy

1883
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,600
Speaker 1: right now because Congress has been so broken in this

1884
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 1: particular issue. Now that may be starting to change a

1885
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: little bit, but also read up and figure out there

1886
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 1: are a lot of things. You know, obviously, you can

1887
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 1: do things locally, and you can you know, support local

1888
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 1: initiatives that are you know, along these same lines. But

1889
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: I think that in terms of overall policy stuff, you know,

1890
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 1: just start saying that this is real, let's start doing

1891
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:57,600
Speaker 1: something about it, because you know, honestly, are members of

1892
01:38:57,640 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 1: Congress have not been hearing that enough. They've been hearing

1893
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 1: it from you know, New York City and San Francisco folks,

1894
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 1: but they have not been hearing it from folks in

1895
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 1: the heartland. And I think that is, you know, where

1896
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: the real role that you know, it doesn't matter how

1897
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 1: wealthy you are. I mean, just say that, hey, this

1898
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 1: is I'm seeing changes, and you guys want to get

1899
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 1: off your asks and do something about this. I'm always

1900
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can speak to this very well. I'm

1901
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:20,759
Speaker 1: always shocked when you talk to congressman about how much

1902
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 1: they're not They don't read every letter, but they get

1903
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 1: ports on every everything that you say. Like if if

1904
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 1: you're in Minnesota and you're seeing less moose and you're

1905
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 1: worried about this and you understand, you know exactly what

1906
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 1: you say, forty forty two thicks. It was like nest

1907
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 1: out I saw was forty seven thousand ticks on individual

1908
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 1: you know moose that they're finding that are severely unbelievable,

1909
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 1: and and that's driven by climate change. These ticks are

1910
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 1: allowed to survive longer. Just stay longer because it's it's warmer. Um.

1911
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 1: If you're if you're a guy who traditionally hunted moose

1912
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 1: in Minnesota and this is happening, you can write into

1913
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: your Congress and say, hey, look I'm not I'm not

1914
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,800
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, I'm not in Chica. Go, but I'm here

1915
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 1: and i'm seeing it just as you would as you

1916
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,719
Speaker 1: would think, like a smart wildlife biologist or a wildlife

1917
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 1: scientists would gather the data, gather the science, make hypothesis,

1918
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 1: but also speak to the person on the ground that's

1919
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:15,839
Speaker 1: involved with the resource. You know, speak to your working

1920
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 1: on salmon, speak to the salmon fisherman that's there every day. Right.

1921
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:20,640
Speaker 1: So I think then when you're when your buddy at

1922
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,479
Speaker 1: the bar says that's all a hoax, and say, you

1923
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: know what, it's not a hoax, not a hoax. I'm

1924
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,280
Speaker 1: seeing and I'm yeah, And yeah, we can disagree on

1925
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:27,720
Speaker 1: how you go about it or whether we have to

1926
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: do something about at all. Yeah, but let's not pretend

1927
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 1: it's not happening. And it's a powerful combination. You can say, well,

1928
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 1: here's three reports that's have all the science and day

1929
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 1: that's say it's happening. But I have been around the

1930
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:41,400
Speaker 1: resource every day. I'm telling you it's being affected by this.

1931
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 1: Combine that with the data and then it's a sound argument.

1932
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 1: When the farming community has been seeing that too, I mean, yeah,

1933
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:49,639
Speaker 1: they're the ones that are out in the fields every day.

1934
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:52,599
Speaker 1: They're seeing how the climate has been changing. Yeah, and

1935
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 1: I just you know, I would love it if they

1936
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 1: also got more vocal on this whole thing. Yeah. Um,

1937
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 1: well that's a good answer for that tough rush, and

1938
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 1: I think it hopefully everyone can, you know, take your

1939
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 1: guard down on this issue. I don't have my like

1940
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I've never come at this with one idea

1941
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 1: or the other. I feel like I want health. Like

1942
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 1: somebody asked me, what, hey, Ben, what's your function as

1943
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 1: a hunter? And and less I don't do much angling,

1944
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 1: but if it as a hunter, what's your function? Like, Well,

1945
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of functions. But if if I were

1946
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: just to pick one and name and I would say

1947
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,680
Speaker 1: that be you know, a champion in a steward of

1948
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 1: healthy ecosystems, like yea, probably more locally than than nationally.

1949
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 1: And so if somebody were to ask me that question,

1950
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 1: that's would be my answer. And as a function of that,

1951
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:38,760
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta be involved in these issues. I

1952
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:42,200
Speaker 1: don't have to. I'm not chasing one ideology. I'm not

1953
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 1: trying to make it real or fake. I'm just looking

1954
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 1: at the evidence pragmatically and saying, hey, this is why

1955
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 1: I can make a difference. I feel totally agree. And

1956
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean you you may not, like you know, AOC

1957
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,400
Speaker 1: and the Green New Deal and you know, things like that,

1958
01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:57,559
Speaker 1: but I mean, I mean, listen, I applaud her for

1959
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,120
Speaker 1: actually sort of renovating this whole conversation and create a

1960
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 1: sense of urgency you know about that and becoming with

1961
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,680
Speaker 1: a big, audacious idea. Now I have no idea what

1962
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:07,840
Speaker 1: Green New Deal is. I don't I don't know whether

1963
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:09,720
Speaker 1: it includes you know, just you know sort of you know,

1964
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 1: technology and climate change or as Medicare for all or

1965
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 1: as you know, guaranteed tuition or college. And but at

1966
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, I I love that audacious,

1967
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:19,559
Speaker 1: you know, big thinking that you know, this is something

1968
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:21,680
Speaker 1: we need to get our arms around. And we may

1969
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:24,000
Speaker 1: disagree on the particulars, but I totally agree that, you know,

1970
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 1: we ought to be a part of that conversation. That's right.

1971
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 1: And then we're saying even before we start, it's like

1972
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 1: you can with something like the Green New Deal or

1973
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 1: any conceptual large piece of legislation, which I think is

1974
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 1: why S forty seven made me feel so warm and

1975
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 1: fuzzy because it was such a swat like there was

1976
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 1: some some stuff in there I didn't like, but but

1977
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 1: for piece of legislation that broad boy, it was damn good. Um.

1978
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:48,840
Speaker 1: But you know, things like You're New Deal, they're so

1979
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 1: it's so varied in the subject matter, you're gonna find

1980
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 1: something you don't like in there. Yeah. And and generally

1981
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,080
Speaker 1: the way you know, Congress works in the way as

1982
01:42:57,160 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 1: forty seven worked, as the really bad ideas on either

1983
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum get jettisoned. Yeah, so you you

1984
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 1: whatever comes before the Congress is that that pretty much

1985
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 1: everybody could agree on. And and that's the way honestly

1986
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 1: at auto work. That's right, And you know the folks

1987
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 1: are in that on either side. You know, they got

1988
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 1: some work to do to make those you know, ideas

1989
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:18,280
Speaker 1: more mainstream. Yeah, that's true. Well, we got. We gotta

1990
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 1: close out. I feel like we did great on climate change.

1991
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: We convinced everybody. Uh, we've gotta close out with a

1992
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:27,559
Speaker 1: couple of segments. The first one is first time I'm

1993
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:30,640
Speaker 1: gonna try this segment. I think you're perfectly set up

1994
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 1: to do it. And it's it's brought brought to us

1995
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 1: by Federal Premium ammunition. We certainly love their ammunition. I've

1996
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 1: been harping on killing a lot of turkeys with their

1997
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 1: TSS ammunition. Fact, I've killed four. If I had some time,

1998
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,680
Speaker 1: I'd go. I'd go back home and try to kill

1999
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:48,559
Speaker 1: one in Maryland if I could with that TSS. But

2000
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:51,280
Speaker 1: what thanks Federal Premium. And this this segment is called

2001
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:53,880
Speaker 1: proved me wrong, And it's where I'm gonna say something

2002
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:56,639
Speaker 1: outlandish and you're gonna just prove me wrong. I'm gonna

2003
01:43:56,640 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 1: set you up for an easy one here. Um, it's

2004
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 1: the the West has better hunting and fishing opportunities than

2005
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:07,920
Speaker 1: the East. Prove me wrong. I can be in my

2006
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 1: car here in Washington, d C. And be deer hunting

2007
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 1: and forty five minutes and you know the limited Virginia

2008
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 1: is to a day you don't need to have a

2009
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:20,839
Speaker 1: special tags anything like that. I can go two hours

2010
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:23,760
Speaker 1: out the Eastern Shore and assuming there are any geese

2011
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 1: and ducks there have the best waterfowl hunting in the world.

2012
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, so I would just say that, Yeah,

2013
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: it's really cool to be out in those big open

2014
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 1: spaces out there. But in terms of the bio diversity

2015
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:37,640
Speaker 1: around here, the number of animals unbelievable. I'm right. I

2016
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:39,880
Speaker 1: don't want to be on your side because it proved

2017
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 1: to be wrong, but I agree with you. No. I

2018
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 1: think the funny thing about like we were talking about

2019
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 1: the glut of wildlife resources in the West, but when

2020
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 1: I moved from Maryland and moved around and found my

2021
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 1: way to Montana, and boy do I really regret what

2022
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 1: I didn't take advantage of as a kid in this

2023
01:44:57,479 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 1: in this area of the world. I mean part of

2024
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 1: what I was so cool about this country. It's just

2025
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:04,800
Speaker 1: such diverse opportunities, and you know, no one is better

2026
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 1: than another, that's just they're so different that it's what

2027
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 1: makes it great. Yeah, that's why Steve Ornella is coming

2028
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:14,559
Speaker 1: back here to seek hunt on the Eastern Shore. If

2029
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 1: you don't even like, if you don't, I've hunted. I'm

2030
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 1: gonna ask you here in a minute for some real

2031
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:24,679
Speaker 1: specific information. But I've hunted, uh certain refuge for sika

2032
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:28,160
Speaker 1: deer on on the Eastern shore a bunch of times,

2033
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 1: not a bunch of enough times to know. And like

2034
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:35,800
Speaker 1: I move away and I think, oh my God, like ducks, geese, turkeys,

2035
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 1: white tails, squirrels, rabbits, I mean, cotton tails everywhere running around.

2036
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:41,560
Speaker 1: Then you get into then oh, I guess there's a

2037
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 1: sika deer over there that I can go kill. In fact,

2038
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 1: it's delicious. It lives in the swamps. It roars. Give

2039
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:50,680
Speaker 1: me a break. This is a fantastic like to live.

2040
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 1: There's no tornadoes here, there's no hurricanes, winners. It's a

2041
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:59,639
Speaker 1: little human, a little cold, but boy, I love living here.

2042
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 1: You can be you where I grew up. You can

2043
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:04,440
Speaker 1: you can be in the mountains, you know, the Appalachia.

2044
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 1: You can be to the you know, to the bay.

2045
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 1: You can be pretty much anywhere you want to be

2046
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 1: in Fish. So I did a terrible job of of

2047
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:17,599
Speaker 1: being on the other side of that sucked. So I

2048
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:21,759
Speaker 1: proved myself wrong that one the other the other segment, Um,

2049
01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:23,720
Speaker 1: this is my favorite segment. We'll see how this one

2050
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 1: goes with you. This brought to you by Yeddie. Thanks

2051
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 1: Eddie for doing all that you do for outdoors. And

2052
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 1: of course the Yetti Go Box is brand new. That's

2053
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,320
Speaker 1: where you put all your stuff. You seal it up.

2054
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:38,240
Speaker 1: It's water tight's airtight. I actually put the go box

2055
01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 1: in my truck and I put all my medical gear

2056
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:42,840
Speaker 1: and stuff in there, and I felt real fancy about it.

2057
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:44,360
Speaker 1: My wife picked it up, was like, I need one

2058
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: of these. I was like, what for. She's like, don't

2059
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 1: worry about it. So that's the Yeddy Go Box. Picked

2060
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:53,799
Speaker 1: that up Yeddie dot Com. This segment is called Hotspot

2061
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 1: Cool Dude. And this is where this is a segment

2062
01:46:56,640 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 1: where I asked you to give me a specific hunting

2063
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:01,880
Speaker 1: location that for the public. You give away one of

2064
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: your hottest hunting spots or some of my or fishing

2065
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 1: spots in your case, maybe a fly fishing spot where

2066
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:09,800
Speaker 1: you like to go. This is like a real democratic

2067
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 1: way to give out you're hunting and fishing spots to

2068
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 1: everybody that listens to this program. Now you can refuse

2069
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 1: people I'll do. I'll start with the fishing, which is

2070
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 1: right here in Washington d c and uh, you know,

2071
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:28,600
Speaker 1: we have this unbelievable resources of the Potomac River and

2072
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 1: you'll have hit in the springtime, you know that March

2073
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:34,000
Speaker 1: April May, you know you'll have herring, shad, three different

2074
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 1: species of shad, stripe, bass, variety of perch species coming

2075
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 1: up there. It is literally, if you hit it right,

2076
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 1: it is a fish every cast and twenty five bucks

2077
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 1: to run a little roboat at Fletcher's Boat House. Go

2078
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:49,000
Speaker 1: out there a rock anchor, drop down and just catch

2079
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 1: fish as long as you want. You might catch every

2080
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:55,040
Speaker 1: now and then you get snake. Apparently we're quite delicious.

2081
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 1: And then I think the d C out of state

2082
01:47:57,439 --> 01:48:01,759
Speaker 1: licenses twelve dollars. So this is you real blue collar,

2083
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 1: you know. But you know you'll find your senators out

2084
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:08,559
Speaker 1: there doing it, and you know Latina houseworkers. It all

2085
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 1: speakin of English and it's just awesome. So that is

2086
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:14,719
Speaker 1: a very good public fishing spot. In terms of hunting,

2087
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you one that is renowned to be

2088
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 1: a lousy hunting spot, and so that is you, you know,

2089
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:22,320
Speaker 1: the outon Ducks, which is where I grew up hunting.

2090
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:26,519
Speaker 1: Big mature was having cut since the eighteen eighties low

2091
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 1: deer densities, but the majority of I think boonde and

2092
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 1: Crockett bucks up there dive old age. So if you're

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01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 1: willing to get out there and get up into the country,

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01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 1: you can get some really nice giant squirrel or two

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01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:43,560
Speaker 1: hopping around. Well that's possible. I don't see those very often. No,

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01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 1: you don't know, but no, that's uh. I mean, and

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01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 1: it's incredibly beautiful and it's remote, and it's because it's

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01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 1: so hard to hunt that is, you know, it gets

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01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:55,400
Speaker 1: very limited pressure. It is. I mean people think of

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01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 1: depending on where you're out in the world. You think

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01:48:57,240 --> 01:48:59,360
Speaker 1: of New York, you don't think of those wild places,

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Speaker 1: but boy they are are. It's a New York is

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Speaker 1: a big state and there's a lot of wild places.

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01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:07,639
Speaker 1: Add six million acres. Yeah, so that's a big chunk

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01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 1: of ground about you know a little bit more than

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01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 1: half of that is you know, public land. Yeah, and

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01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:13,760
Speaker 1: so anywhere you can just you know, get that public land,

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01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 1: go in do it. You got any specific spot you

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01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:17,719
Speaker 1: want to give people Becau's what this is all about.

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01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 1: Like where exactly did they go Adirondack Mountains that state

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01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 1: six million acres? See there there's a smart hot spot.

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01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 1: That's a smart hotspot giver right there. That's a man

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01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 1: who knows how to play politics. He's like, how gonna

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01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 1: give you a hot spot? Six million acres? Six million?

2115
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:34,920
Speaker 1: You'll find something that got ronics you can sell, figure

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01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:37,679
Speaker 1: where to go, you know, even folks on our mediator crew.

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01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:40,439
Speaker 1: I I was headed to South Dakota to hunt turks

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Speaker 1: into Black Hills and I was going through the Custer

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Speaker 1: National Forest, and I know that our own Janice Ptelis

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Speaker 1: has had a lot of success killing turkeys there. So

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01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:52,200
Speaker 1: I texted my friend Janni the the lot of an Eagle.

2122
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:54,280
Speaker 1: I text him, I say, hey, do you got any

2123
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:57,080
Speaker 1: like pins? You can drop me in the Custer National Forest? So, well,

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01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:59,720
Speaker 1: what's he doing? He said, Well, anything between Ashton and

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01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 1: Raddest is great. That's the whole goddamn National Forest. Even

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01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 1: my good friend, the honest but tell Us wouldn't give

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01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: me a hot spot. It's terrible, terrible, we treat each

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01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 1: other terrible hunting space. Well, Wit, I really appreciate you

2129
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:17,320
Speaker 1: have me in your home one. But also these conversations.

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01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:19,640
Speaker 1: I know these are tough issues, but tough issues that

2131
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:22,040
Speaker 1: you traffic in every single day of your life. But

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01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 1: I love the fact you guys are actually interested in

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01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:26,640
Speaker 1: this stuff. I'm super interested. And then I'll tell you

2134
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 1: that my dad listens to the podcast. He says he

2135
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 1: listened every episode. I'll have to test him at some point,

2136
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:34,720
Speaker 1: but but he's told me the past. This brings great

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01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:38,320
Speaker 1: pride to me personally that like generationally, he's proud that

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01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:41,760
Speaker 1: that my generation or folks that are of my you know,

2139
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:44,759
Speaker 1: in the mid thirties or younger, are care about this stuff.

2140
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,640
Speaker 1: And I truly do. I think it's the backbone of

2141
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 1: what makes my life full outside of my family. Like

2142
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 1: it really it really does. Well. I had total great

2143
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:56,919
Speaker 1: personal level. Yeah, that's true. But I think it's a country.

2144
01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 1: This is what makes you know, this country great. And

2145
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:01,519
Speaker 1: the rose all had that vision, you know, hundred and

2146
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 1: forty years ago, and the public lands bailable for anybody,

2147
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:09,479
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing for everybody, not just the the rich folks,

2148
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 1: landed gentry. And I think it's you know, he saw

2149
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 1: it as part of the you know, the culture and

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01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:15,720
Speaker 1: the outdoor spirit that was America. And I think that's

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01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:17,760
Speaker 1: true today. Yeah, And if you have it, if you

2152
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:19,760
Speaker 1: live with it every day and you have the opportunity

2153
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:21,960
Speaker 1: to outside on fish and you love it, and it's

2154
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:24,800
Speaker 1: it's part of your life. If if it was taken

2155
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 1: away from you, boy, you would you would you would

2156
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 1: understand what you've lost. Um, So I incourad. I always

2157
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 1: courage people. Just understand what you have. You know, we

2158
01:51:33,400 --> 01:51:34,720
Speaker 1: we do a really good job of that with our

2159
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 1: gun rights, and I support that wholeheartedly and I'm all

2160
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:39,960
Speaker 1: for that. But I think we can think about our

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01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 1: passions around the outdoors in the same way. We don't

2162
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,600
Speaker 1: want to lose them. Totally agree. All right, Thanks what,

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01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:50,120
Speaker 1: thank you? That's it. That's all another episode of the

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Speaker 1: podcast of the books. Thank you Wit, thank you Tracy,

2165
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 1: thank you Katie, thank you Maggie. Thanks to everybody for listening,

2166
01:51:57,240 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 1: having fun with us, and getting serious with us, all

2167
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:03,400
Speaker 1: in the same podcast. I like to think that's what

2168
01:52:03,479 --> 01:52:06,000
Speaker 1: this show is all about, man, not taking ourselves too seriously,

2169
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:10,760
Speaker 1: but knowing when we gotta get down to it. Quite

2170
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,440
Speaker 1: a balance. But I think high fashion and high conservation

2171
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:18,280
Speaker 1: may illustrate that better than anything else. So thanks and

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01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 1: I hope everyone enjoys this one. So Hey, th HD

2173
01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:25,200
Speaker 1: at the met eater dot com is our email. I

2174
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Speaker 1: want you, guys, to keep sending in your audio clips

2175
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:31,320
Speaker 1: of you reviewing the podcast, reviewing subject matter, or making comments.

2176
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Speaker 1: It's been awesome to listen to all of them. We

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Speaker 1: are compiling them, we are picking our favorites, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to begin here in just a minute airing a

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Speaker 1: couple ever at the end of every episode, and so

2180
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:44,800
Speaker 1: give you a chance to make your comments good or

2181
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:47,240
Speaker 1: bad about the show. If you really hate me or

2182
01:52:47,240 --> 01:52:49,360
Speaker 1: hate what I'm doing, I want to hear that too,

2183
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 1: and I'll play that for everybody so everybody can get

2184
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:54,839
Speaker 1: all the perspective they need to get. So far, everything's

2185
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 1: been positive and I do appreciate that. Um. Before we

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Speaker 1: get to that, go to the meat Eator store the

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Speaker 1: meat eator dot com click on store. We have a

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Speaker 1: brand new awesome T shirt Aldo Freaking Leopold. He is

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Speaker 1: a father of conservation. He wrote in my opinion this

2190
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:16,760
Speaker 1: seminal work um in conservation and wildlife management in the outdoors,

2191
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Speaker 1: Sand County all a Sand County Almanac, and he's just

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Speaker 1: a hero in conservation. I don't think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people even know know what he looks like, but my brother,

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Speaker 1: if you go to Instagram at Wheelhouse Art. That's at

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Speaker 1: Wheelhouse Art on Instagram. My brother is an artist. He

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Speaker 1: drew an awesome characterization of Aldo smoking a pipe and

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01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:41,400
Speaker 1: it says below it Aldo freaking Leopold and he is

2198
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Speaker 1: the man. So read his works know who he is.

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Speaker 1: Go buy the t shirt at the meat eator dot

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Speaker 1: com store. We would really appreciate it here at the

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Speaker 1: Hunting Collective. And now, without further ado, we're gonna we're

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01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:58,400
Speaker 1: gonna send send you guys off, of course with a

2203
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 1: little old number seven. Before we get to that, two

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01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 1: comments from two awesome listeners. Here they are and we'll

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01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 1: see you next time on the Hunting Collector. Hey ben uh,

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01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:13,400
Speaker 1: this is Matt, the same guy that called you from

2207
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:17,840
Speaker 1: his turkey blind a couple of weeks ago. Um. I

2208
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:21,640
Speaker 1: didn't take a turkey that day, but I took a

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Speaker 1: turkey this morning. My first ever not just wild turkey,

2210
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:31,320
Speaker 1: I first ever kill of anything. And I shout out

2211
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:36,120
Speaker 1: with a bow and arrow here in Minnesota. I just

2212
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:43,280
Speaker 1: bought the bow in February here. Um. You know, I

2213
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:46,880
Speaker 1: was inspired to get into hunting because I wanted to

2214
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 1: harvest mow meat. I wanted to be involved. I wanted

2215
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:55,800
Speaker 1: to enjoy the public lands that we have, and folks

2216
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 1: like you and Steve and the Mediator crew and h

2217
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:03,960
Speaker 1: podcast and all the guys out there on social really

2218
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:07,360
Speaker 1: inspired me to do it. And uh man hooked for

2219
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:12,400
Speaker 1: life want an incredible experience. Thanks for what you guys

2220
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:15,720
Speaker 1: put out there. Keep it up and I can't wait

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01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:20,400
Speaker 1: for the next episode. Thanks man. All right, Benjamin, big

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01:55:20,440 --> 01:55:22,640
Speaker 1: fan of the podcast. Love what you're doing. I got

2223
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:25,280
Speaker 1: a damn near died here for you. But it's not

2224
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 1: hunting related. Hope that's okay. I hope I still make

2225
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:31,080
Speaker 1: the podcast. Here it goes. So I'm nine years old,

2226
01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:34,320
Speaker 1: Me and some buddies get together. We're riding our bikes

2227
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:35,960
Speaker 1: and we come up with a great idea that we're

2228
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna build a ramp and start jumping in. So our

2229
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 1: ramp is made out of bricks stacked up together and

2230
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:47,440
Speaker 1: apply wood board laid on top. So we're jumping it

2231
01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:51,160
Speaker 1: for a couple of hours, and then my buddies mom

2232
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:55,120
Speaker 1: comes out and says, hey, lunch is ready. So of course, cliche,

2233
01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:58,000
Speaker 1: I want to go one more time. I hit the ramp.

2234
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 1: Bricks fall out of the ramp as the plywood board

2235
01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 1: bends it shoves the top layer of bricks out from

2236
01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:08,960
Speaker 1: the ramp. I land on one of the bricks stops

2237
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:12,720
Speaker 1: my front tire on you know, on the dot. I

2238
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:16,560
Speaker 1: flip over the handlebars, slide into the road. All the

2239
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:20,040
Speaker 1: skin rips up off my left arm, and as I

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Speaker 1: slide about a foot to two ft into the road,

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01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:29,200
Speaker 1: perfect timing, here comes a little Chrysler Sea bring so

2242
01:56:30,720 --> 01:56:35,160
Speaker 1: you know you hear a little and there goes my

2243
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:37,680
Speaker 1: left arm. I pull it up and take a look

2244
01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:40,440
Speaker 1: at the damage. Looks like straight out of a Tom

2245
01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:44,200
Speaker 1: and Jerry episode. My arm has perfectly taken the shape

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01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:47,160
Speaker 1: of a U that would have fit both tires of

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01:56:47,200 --> 01:56:50,600
Speaker 1: the vehicle. The reason that the damn near died is

2248
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:55,240
Speaker 1: the tire actually hit the back of my head, ripped

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01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:58,280
Speaker 1: my Atlanta braves hat off, and sucked it into the

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01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:01,960
Speaker 1: wheel well. Um, instead of running over my head, it

2251
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:04,400
Speaker 1: actually hit my head hard enough to knock it out

2252
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:07,920
Speaker 1: of the way before killing me. Anyway, I ask my

2253
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:11,120
Speaker 1: damn near dad, I love what you're doing. Love THHC.

2254
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:18,000
Speaker 1: Not the green stuff, but the audible stuff. I'm going Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Who is he got the drinking in heaven? And I

2256
01:57:21,160 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 1: know I can't stay here, do long, because I can't

2257
01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 1: go a week without doing run oh without doing run

2258
01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:40,240
Speaker 1: breaking out right wrong, drinking in Heaven