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Speaker 1: This this One Bill's Live presented by Kalida.

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Speaker 2: Health, Holy Macrol, It's Thursday already. Who knew? Chris Brown,

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Speaker 2: Steve tasking with you. One Bill's Live is the show. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome,

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Speaker 2: Glad to have you with us as the scorching early

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Speaker 2: summer heat continues to we're benefiting from us. I'm not complaining.

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Speaker 1: It's good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: And I know it'll get cooler over the weekend a

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Speaker 2: little bit. But it was funny. I was talking to

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Speaker 2: a friend the other day and he goes, we do

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Speaker 2: deserve this, don't. We waited a long time for this,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, we did kind of wait.

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Speaker 2: April was a soaker, man. Yeah, the whole month of

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Speaker 2: April is raining, like twenty days in April.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, Nobody appreciates it like we do. Nobody.

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Speaker 1: I'm loving it, right, Nobody appreciates it like we do.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, there is that sense of after three generational

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Speaker 1: storms over the winter. Yeah, yeah, we kind of kind

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Speaker 1: of feel like you have a little entitlement.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that occurred before we came on today,

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Speaker 2: as you know, Steve and I are both. Let's just

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Speaker 2: say fast eaters. We sometimes tasting the food on the

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Speaker 2: way down is a fifty to fifty shot, because we

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Speaker 2: do tend to inhale our meals, not by force of habits.

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Speaker 2: But I don't even know we're doing it. There are

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Speaker 2: risks involved when you do eat that fast. One is

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Speaker 2: probably choking. Fortunately none of us have fallen victim to that.

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Speaker 2: The second one is biting your lip or your tongue.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting there at my desk and Steve's across from me,

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, I hear this on the

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Speaker 2: other side of the room, and I turned, I look,

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Speaker 2: and there's Steve holding his mouth, and I said, what'd

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Speaker 2: you do? Bite your lip? Steve chomped down with the

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Speaker 2: bite force of a rottweiler on his sandwich and got

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Speaker 2: his lip in the way.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things where it happened like once

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Speaker 1: two days ago, and now I've done it like nine times.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, yeah, but once you chomp on it, now

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Speaker 2: it's swollen and it's more in the way than it

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Speaker 2: normally is, and you inevitably bite it again. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: the lip in front. You ever bite the side of

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Speaker 2: your cheek. That one's that's a common thing too. I

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Speaker 2: do the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bad day.

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Speaker 2: It's about the day's ruins.

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Speaker 1: Because you know I swill down about you know, I

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Speaker 1: swill down a half a six pack of soda.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, we do know that I'm drinking now.

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Speaker 1: Now it's stinging like a do It is, Oh my

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Speaker 1: gosh when I'm drinking.

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Speaker 2: So I don't even don't need anything salting tonight.

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Speaker 1: It's so bad, so bad. I'll get through.

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Speaker 2: It plenty going on around the league. I'll we'll give

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Speaker 2: you the latest DeAndre Hopkins update. And I don't know

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Speaker 2: that it's really an update. I think it's just a

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Speaker 2: note to file away. And I'll give you my take

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Speaker 2: on this quote unquote news in a second here as

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Speaker 2: we go around the NFL. Brought to you by Collida Health,

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Speaker 2: the official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills. And there

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Speaker 2: are reports coming out of Texas that free agent wide

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Speaker 2: receiver DeAndre Hopkins would be open to returning to the Texans.

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Speaker 2: So there's a Texans beat writer down there, Brooks can

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Speaker 2: be who said, a person with knowledge of the situation

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Speaker 2: indicates that while Hopkins is most interested in signing with

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Speaker 2: a potential Super Bowl contender in twenty twenty three, an

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Speaker 2: his first seven seasons, the Houston Texans, could be an

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Speaker 2: intriguing option for him. Now, that's all well and good, Steve.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I can't see DeAndre

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Speaker 2: even one as talented as CJ. Stroud. That's number one

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Speaker 2: to me. And you tell me what you think. This

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Speaker 2: stinks of an agent not shutting any door anywhere with

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Speaker 2: it could be safely described as lukewarm at best. So

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Speaker 2: for his agent knowledge of the situation, that's his agent.

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Speaker 2: The agent probably told him, uh, you know, we'll be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's the agent, you gotta think there might

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Speaker 1: not be too much interest nobody. There might not be

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Speaker 1: anybody trying to even get near the OBJ contract of

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Houston, the bills in Kansas City, even if they

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's why DeAndre Hopkins is singing like, listen, I'm

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Speaker 1: So I'll hire a guy? Maybe he And so this

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Speaker 1: is the first step in that process. We had Ed Smith,

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Speaker 1: who is the believe in the Believe in Arizona Believe

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Speaker 1: In Cardinals podcast, and he said, listen, you know, DeAndre

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Speaker 1: just he didn't like he's never liked to practice. He

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Speaker 1: was traded out of Houston by Bill O'Brien because, in

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Speaker 1: guy didn't want to practice, which to me means in

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Speaker 1: addition to not wanting to practice, he also.

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Speaker 2: Well he challenged the authority of his head coat.

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Speaker 1: Right, you got all that going on, and now you

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Speaker 1: end up in Arizona where you had a new head

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Speaker 1: coach in Kyle I don't know what his name, Cliff Kingsbury.

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, who did not run a buttoned up ship.

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Speaker 1: They were kind of wild and free as kind of

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Speaker 1: the Wild West out there, do your things, show up

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Speaker 1: and play, And he didn't practice. Then, guys in the

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Speaker 1: NFL coaches, I don't care whether you're winning a lot

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Speaker 1: to be really attractive to coaches and a great player.

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Speaker 1: The Bills fans have seen it in von Miller. That

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Speaker 1: guy is engaged all the time, not only for himself

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Speaker 1: but for his teammates. Right now, he's a truly great

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Speaker 2: Might be an even better leader right teammates.

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Speaker 1: He's a great teammate, great friend wise beyond his years,

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Speaker 1: highly productive, consistent longevity in his career, championship caliber career,

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Speaker 1: and he brings all that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: You know, if there's a guy out there and you're not, hey,

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Speaker 1: he's a pretty good player to Yeah. You know what though,

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Speaker 1: he didn't really practice for us, and and he got

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Speaker 1: his career because you know, they're head coach who was

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Speaker 1: trying to run a tight ship. It was too tight

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Speaker 1: for DeAndre. You know, a word like that gets out.

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Speaker 1: It's like and I don't know how many teams are

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Speaker 1: you got his agent saying, well, yeah, you consider going

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Speaker 1: making you know. To me, that speaks of guys that

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Speaker 1: Maybe that might be an oversimplification of it, but there's

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Speaker 1: a line of logic there that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: Right I I don't know what to think, and I

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Speaker 2: And again, as I said yesterday, I think the timing

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Speaker 2: they couldn't execute a trade, and so now that he's

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Speaker 2: At this point in time.

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Speaker 1: We've seen players with these huge contracts not live up

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Speaker 1: point four five million dollars this year, and you're not

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Speaker 1: say these guys are making unbelievable money on it, that's right.

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Speaker 1: But you've got a lot of guys making that kind

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Speaker 1: will ask them to do and more because it's what

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Speaker 1: they do. That's who they are. Those are the guys

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Speaker 1: They get the money because of who they are and

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Speaker 1: what they are and what they do. DeAndre got the

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Speaker 1: And they started getting names like you know, JJ Watt,

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Speaker 1: sell some tickets. Well, they didn't think about getting production

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Speaker 1: for the they's got these guys. Not all of them

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Speaker 1: were able to earn those that money. And if you're

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Speaker 1: ain't nobody giving you that money again, You're not gonna

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Speaker 1: come here and not earn it. If you're not, you're

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Speaker 1: not working your tail off for them, What makes me

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Speaker 2: Yeah, still in your prime at age twenty eight, twenty

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Speaker 1: It, and you decide not to practice well because they're

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Speaker 1: not winning game. That means the first time we lose

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Speaker 1: gonna check it out, not practice. I don't need that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what DeAndre Hopkins is, if

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Speaker 1: that's what he's all about, well, we've it's been reported

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Speaker 1: now to us firsthand that he was not practicing. He

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Speaker 1: was suspended for six games as well. That you know,

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Speaker 1: that kind of cools the appetite for a lot of teams.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure they're doing more due diligence than you

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Speaker 1: and I are just talking to guys who are covering

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so I I'm.

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Speaker 1: You know, the guy's a good player, no question about it.

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Speaker 1: And he has been a great play, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: But right now, I don't know that there's anybody willing

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Speaker 1: to set aside the kind of budget it would take

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Speaker 2: Most of the teams don't have the budget because they

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Speaker 2: spent all their money to fortify their roster for the

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Speaker 1: And that's true. You never knew, nobody knew it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they'se hart trade rumors and stuff, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: teams are like, listen, we're building our rosters and we

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Speaker 1: don't have him. We're not gonna get him. We're not

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Speaker 1: gonna they're asking this, we're not doing it. They're building

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Speaker 1: their rosters like okay, we're gonna win, all right. We

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Speaker 1: Here and that's and that's part of what you sign

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Speaker 1: And we've seen it. We've seen it every year. Look

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Speaker 2: two million with the release or slash retirement at JJ

433
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Speaker 2: Watt and Rodney Hudson the Center. So there it is

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Speaker 2: some teams actually benefiting from June second cuts. So we

435
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Speaker 2: have that the brock Purty recovery is going incredibly well. Steve,

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Speaker 2: as we know, he didn't have Tommy John surgery and

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Speaker 2: an alternate elbow surgery and GM John Lynch for the

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Speaker 2: forty nine Ers said Purdy is the leader in the

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Speaker 2: clubhouse once again at the quarterback position. He's already begun throwing.

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Speaker 2: Steve not in an active practice, but he's he's throwing

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Speaker 2: the football again. Pretty remarkable, Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 1: Of his injury wasn't was reported. While it was severe,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a complete blown UCL ligament in his elbow.

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Speaker 1: So that does give him a chance to maybe have

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Speaker 1: a little bit different looking rehab and a different, a

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Speaker 1: faster time schedule, much like theoretically it's gonna happen for

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Speaker 1: Vaughan Miller with his knee. It wasn't a complete tear,

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Speaker 1: but it was damage. So how about Brock Purdy being

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Speaker 1: a guy that people are sitting on the edge of

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Speaker 1: their seats for. Yeah, I didn't know who that guy

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Speaker 1: was a year ago.

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Speaker 2: He was mister irrelevant. I know about that ranwhile the

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Speaker 2: guy they drafted two years ago, who was the third

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Speaker 2: pick in the draft, Yeah, he's the backup? Yeah how

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Speaker 2: about that? Oh and man, let's not forget Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 1: Is there too, trying.

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Speaker 2: Who was also the third pick in the draft?

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Speaker 1: And you're asking me to bet on horses?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean I can't. You can't pick I can't

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Speaker 1: pick a horse. You can you know, you can't even

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Speaker 1: talk hold a conversation with a horse, and you still

463
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Speaker 1: can't pick him. Yeah, you can find out everything you

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Speaker 1: need to know about these guys, the Trey Lances and

465
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Speaker 1: the Brock Parties of the world, the Josh Allen's and

466
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Speaker 1: the Sam Darnold's of the world. You still can't pick

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Speaker 1: which one is going to be the best. You got

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Speaker 1: guys whose careers hinge on the they're not. It's not

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Speaker 1: a two dollars bet at a window. Their career is

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Speaker 1: hinging on how good this guy plays. And they got

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Speaker 1: their pick and they cannot get it right. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: is It is unbelievable, man, It is unbelievable. How badly

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Speaker 1: teams and all of us do too. I mean everybody

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Speaker 1: does it. I mean we just can't. You can't know.

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Speaker 1: You can't, you cannot know. Brock Party is the toast

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Speaker 1: of San Francisco, not Trey Lance. And Trey Lance is

477
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Speaker 1: like it's like the cousin you're forced to invite to

478
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Speaker 1: the to the yard party, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it's amazing, but it looks like they spent dude.

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Speaker 1: They spend millions and millions of bucks across the league,

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Speaker 1: millions and over the years. It's billion. It's gotta be

482
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Speaker 1: a billion plus dollars spent over the history of the

483
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Speaker 1: league trying to figure out a way to pick players. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you get all these guys like how we the

485
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Speaker 1: flavor of the month now is Howie Roseman in Philly. Right,

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Speaker 1: he's brilliant, he's doing it better than anybody else. How

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Speaker 1: long do you think that lasts.

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Speaker 2: Two years?

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Speaker 1: He's gonna miss on two consecutive picks and he's gonna

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be dirt in Philly.

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Speaker 2: I'm just amazed that he's already throwing. I mean, Perdy

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Speaker 2: resumed throwing this week and is expected back, maybe not fully,

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Speaker 2: but back to participate in training camp. He had surgery

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Speaker 2: in March, Steve, I mean, we're not talking about his

495
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Speaker 2: non throwing arm. This is his throwing elbow. It's amazing,

496
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Speaker 2: really really looking good for him. And look, we're happy

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Speaker 2: for the guy. But that's that's a remarkable recovery for

498
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Speaker 2: brock Purty, and it's beneficial for the forty nine ers obviously,

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Speaker 2: to a little bit of a note of levity, Steve

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Speaker 2: mac jones, when addressing the media at Patriots OTA's said,

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Speaker 2: when he was asked about, you know, how's the offensive

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Speaker 2: process this year with Bill O'Brien new offensive coordinator after

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Speaker 2: last year's struggles, mac jones said, the Patriots offensive process

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Speaker 2: has been quote normal under offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien. The

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Speaker 2: follow up question should have been, how would you have

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Speaker 2: described last year's can you offensive process define normal?

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Speaker 1: Was that normal? Like it was last year? Normal, like

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Speaker 1: it was two years ago? Normal? Like? What what's normal?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Anything that wasn't last year. I'm kind of thinking

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Speaker 2: that Mac Jones will look more like he did in

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Speaker 2: his rookie season under Bill O'Brien than he did last

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Speaker 2: year under Matt Patricia and Joe Judge. So this is

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Speaker 2: this is a win. This is an offseason win for

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Speaker 2: Mac Jones. I just wonder, is Bill O'Brien gonna do

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Speaker 2: more for the Patriots offense than Vic Fangio will do

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Speaker 2: for the Dolphins defense in this division?

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Speaker 1: That's that's a really good question, Vic fan. Well, the

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Speaker 1: Dolphin defense flying to Lean Fangio here, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: because the Dolphin defense was no slops last year, right,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna talk about going from bad to good.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be the Patriots offense.

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Speaker 2: Bigger, bigger change for the better. Yeah, okay, if you

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Speaker 2: if you quantify it that way, then yes, I would

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Speaker 2: agree with.

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Speaker 1: You, just because the Dolphins didn't stink last year defensively.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the Patriots, man oh man, they they could

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Speaker 1: get a lot better with Bill O'Brien and no one.

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Speaker 2: Thing came within a sniff of the playoffs right and disastered.

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones said it himself. He wanted to be coached hard.

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Speaker 1: He didn't mind being coached from Alabama, Nick Saban. He

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Speaker 1: was in there with Jalen Hurts and in there with

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Speaker 1: two and all those guys that the Alabama's been churning out.

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Speaker 1: He was in the midst of all that. And you know,

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Speaker 1: they got coached hard, and they got results when they

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Speaker 1: won national championship. And he gets up to the pros

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Speaker 1: and obviously that environment had changed greatly at this last year.

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Speaker 1: Now says listen, you gotta tell me what to do.

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Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see how much they improve, how

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Speaker 2: much the defense for the Dolphins looks, or how different

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Speaker 2: it looks under Fangio. Topic of discussion for you today

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Speaker 2: at ATO three oh five fifty one eight eight eight

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Speaker 2: five fifty two five fifty. What has been your favorite

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Speaker 2: offseason move from the Bills. You got to have a favorite, right,

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Speaker 2: let us know what it is at ATO three oh

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Speaker 2: five to fifty open line for you there one eight

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Speaker 2: eight five fifty two five fifty or hit us up

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Speaker 2: on the tweets sheet at One Bills Live. There's another

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Speaker 2: little note to throw in here that we'll get to

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Speaker 2: when we come back. There is a running back that

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Speaker 2: could be available, and who would he like to play for.

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Speaker 2: He's got two teams in mind and they're both in

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Speaker 2: the AFC East. Will tell you who and where he'd

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Speaker 2: like to go next. Here on One Bill's Live, presented

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Speaker 2: by co Lot of Health.

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Speaker 4: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live. We told

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Speaker 2: you before the break there's a running back who could

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Speaker 2: be available in the not too distant future. Vikings running

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Speaker 2: back Dalvin Cook Guy could be a cap casualty. To

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Speaker 2: my knowledge, he hasn't been released by the Vikings yet.

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Speaker 2: If and when that happens, he's working out in South Florida,

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Speaker 2: and so our good friend Armando Salguero got a hold

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Speaker 2: of him and said, oh yeah, if I get released

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Speaker 2: and I had a choice of where I'd plan to play,

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Speaker 2: it would be either Miami or Buffalo. Obviously, come here

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Speaker 2: play with his brother or go to Miami. Problem is,

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Speaker 2: Miami's got about six running backs and the Bills have

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Speaker 2: their fair so I don't know if there's any room

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Speaker 2: in the at the end or money in the on

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Speaker 2: the docket to pay them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good player. But like I said, he's

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Speaker 1: in the kind of in the same boat that DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Hopkins is. Everybody's got their roster for nobody's got money. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no money. That's a really good player, really good player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know if it'd be

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Speaker 1: a good thing or bad thing for James to have

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Speaker 1: his brother here. I mean, it'd be fun for him

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Speaker 1: and no question about it. They'd be a unique experience

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Speaker 1: and be something they'd have for their whole lives. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if the Bills are going to win more

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Speaker 1: games because of it, that's the question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those two guys push each other though. We've seen that,

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Speaker 2: seen some of their off season workouts and stuff. Yeah. Uh,

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Speaker 2: interesting to think about it. Yeah, Financially, I just don't

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Speaker 2: know how the Bills could even entertain it. So we'll

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Speaker 2: leave that where it is. Plus, he's still on the

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Speaker 2: vikings as of right now. Question for you on the

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Speaker 2: table today, what has been your favorite offseason move from

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Speaker 2: the Bills so far? Can let us know? At eight

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Speaker 2: oh three five point fifty Local seven to one six

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Speaker 2: number to get on board toll free outside the seven

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Speaker 2: one to six calling area one eight eight, eight, five

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Speaker 2: point fifty two, five fifteen. We do have open lines

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Speaker 2: for you there, so chime in if you wish. I

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Speaker 2: know what mine is now, I know what I told

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Speaker 2: you last year. My favorite was all the additions they

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Speaker 2: made at the defensive tackle position. This year, for me,

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Speaker 2: it's Damien Harris. I just think he's an upgrade, the

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Speaker 2: kind of upgrade that the Bills needed at the running

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Speaker 2: back position. Look, I love the Dalton King kid pick,

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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, because I think he's gonna change

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Speaker 2: the offense and make them a more diverse fie passing attack.

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Speaker 2: But man, Damien Harris for me, is just what the

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Speaker 2: doctor ordered at the running back position for the Bill,

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Speaker 2: something they haven't had in quite some time in my estimation,

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Speaker 2: A power back with some speed.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: That one really got me pumped when they signed him.

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Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that you weaken a division

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Speaker 2: rival in the process, right, I mean, I know he

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Speaker 2: was no longer the full time starter that was Ramandre Stevenson.

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Speaker 1: So I think I think the offensive line is I

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Speaker 1: know it's completely unsexy to say, my favorite thing is

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Speaker 1: the upgrade. I think the offensive line got better, bigger,

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Speaker 1: and I think that while they may be able to

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Speaker 1: push some people around, particularly with Latavius Murray and Damien

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Speaker 1: Harris in the backfield, with James Cook with some bodies

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Speaker 1: and some speed back there, I I just think that's

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Speaker 1: going to be more effective with the guys up playing

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Speaker 1: with them up front now upgraded from where they were

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Speaker 1: a year ago, particularly at the guards. So and I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying they're gonna run it more, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna make it way easier, and there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: games where that it's not gonna be such a heavy

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Speaker 1: lift for the passing game to go out there and

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Speaker 1: you know, complete every third down like they did a

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Speaker 1: year ago. You know what I'm saying, Third and one

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Speaker 1: is a much different animal to convert than a third

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Speaker 1: and four, third and seven, third and nine, And with

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Speaker 1: a running game the way they've had it, you're kind

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Speaker 1: of face that once in a while. So I just

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Speaker 1: think the offensive line is gonna have ripple effects that

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Speaker 1: are gonna help everybody, from Dalton kincaid and Steph Diggs

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Speaker 1: to Damien Harris, Latavius Murray and James Cook and not

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Speaker 1: to mention Josh. So I think that I'm more encouraged

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Speaker 1: by the fact that they didn't just stand pat upfront

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Speaker 1: when they weren't when they had a great offense last year,

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Speaker 1: but to try and get better and not be afraid

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Speaker 1: to like wholesale change some spots. It was I was

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Speaker 1: pretty telling, and I'm print encouraged by it.

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Speaker 2: Uh, let's go to the tweet sheet see what you think.

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Speaker 2: At one Bill's Live. We'll also take your phone calls.

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Speaker 2: Eight h three zero five point fifty one eight eight

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Speaker 2: eight five point fifty two five point fifty your favorite

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Speaker 2: offseason move by the Bills tweet sheet brought to you

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Speaker 2: by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of

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Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. Tim leads this off and says, I

650
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Speaker 2: don't think you can easily point to a single player,

651
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Speaker 2: but the overall direction is encouraging beef up both sides

652
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Speaker 2: of the line and getting Josh some new toys. That's

653
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Speaker 2: a tough formula to beat. So he just likes the

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Speaker 2: whole overall approach, which I can get behind. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you don't feel over the moon about a singular move,

656
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Speaker 2: but you like the collective. I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of with him. There's been a lot

658
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: of talk, particularly when your season's end the way the

659
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: Bills have in the last couple of years, two three years,

660
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Speaker 1: that you know, you got this window and it's gonna

661
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna close, or it's closing, or you gotta you know,

662
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: you're you've got to win now because your window is

663
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: gonna close, you know. Blah blah blah. The way they

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Speaker 1: built this roster, it's not going away. It's fresh every

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Speaker 1: year and they still continue to play at a high

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00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: level every year with a lot of new pieces and

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00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 1: a lot of key new pieces. So I'm I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of thinking that when as young coach Sean McDermott and

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Speaker 1: as a an assistant GM Brandon Bean when they were

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Speaker 1: having beers down in Carolina when they were younger in

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Speaker 1: their career talking about how they do it when they

672
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Speaker 1: got here and talked about how do you sustain it,

673
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Speaker 1: how do you keep the window once you get there?

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Speaker 1: How do you do this? And man, oh man, they're

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Speaker 1: executing it now. Even in normal circumstances, the window would

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Speaker 1: still be open. If if there is such a thing,

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Speaker 1: which I guess by my remarks, you can tell I

678
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: don't believe it, but I think it still should be

679
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Speaker 1: open anyway, because of where they are in Josh's career

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Speaker 1: and all they got, all these guys, but the way

681
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Speaker 1: they put it together every year, I just think it's

682
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Speaker 1: going to stay open for a while. Those are famous

683
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Speaker 1: last words, right, But I just think it's I just

684
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Speaker 1: think they're doing it the right way on a number

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Speaker 1: of different levels, and it shows every year.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the phone, see what you think. What

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Speaker 2: is your favorite off season moved by the Bills from

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Speaker 2: this off season? Eight oh three five point fifty one

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Speaker 2: eight eight eight five fifty two, five point fifty And

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Speaker 2: we go to Bob in South Carolina? What do you

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Speaker 2: got for us? Bob?

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, well, my most favorite would be McGovern at

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Speaker 3: left guard. But with that, with that being said, and

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Speaker 3: you guys said it yourself just the minutes ago, that

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Speaker 3: Shell was brought in and looks like his history has

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Speaker 3: been all right tackle yep. That he's going to push

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Speaker 3: Spencer Brown, which I think is great. Who's going to

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Speaker 3: push Dawkins is my question? Because Quason Berry he's not it.

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Speaker 3: He's not good enough in my opinion. Yeah, push Dion

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Speaker 3: Dawkins to that point of getting him better. And I

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Speaker 3: don't see anybody on that long roster of guys that

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Speaker 3: has any proven history as a left tackle, and I

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Speaker 3: think I think that's needed to push Dawkins. It's like

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Speaker 3: you're trying to push Brown. So that's that's my thought.

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Speaker 3: I'll let you guys, let me know what you think.

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Speaker 2: All right, Thanks Bob, appreciate the phone call. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think I agree with you. I think Shell is competition

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Speaker 2: for Spencer Brown based on his proven track record in

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Speaker 2: the league as a starter, and you're right, most of

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Speaker 2: his career has been spent on the right side. And

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Speaker 2: does Dion Dawkins need to be pushed. It never hurts

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Speaker 2: to push players to be their best, and if there's

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Speaker 2: competition right behind them, yeah, it's logical to think they'd

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Speaker 2: be more inclined to play their best every single day.

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Speaker 2: I don't think. I guess what I'm looking at is

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Speaker 2: Spencer Brown's play last season for a host of reasons,

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Speaker 2: because there were extenuating circumstances. There was a little uneven

718
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Speaker 2: last year. I think we can all agree on that,

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Speaker 2: and Spencer would probably say the same thing. Dion. There

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Speaker 2: are certain guys that he has his problems with, Melvin

721
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Speaker 2: Ingram gives them fits, and there are other matchups where

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Speaker 2: he doesn't excel as much as he does most weeks.

723
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Speaker 2: But I think overall the team is pretty happy with

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Speaker 2: the body of work that he's put together over the

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Speaker 2: last five years. So I'm not saying he doesn't need competition,

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Speaker 2: but the urgency to provide some behind him, I don't

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Speaker 2: think is as great as it is on the other

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Speaker 2: side of the line.

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Speaker 1: I think also maybe this has to do with the

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Speaker 1: way Spencer Brown is as well, and we talked about

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Speaker 1: how late it is in the process to be thinking

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Speaker 1: about bringing in some competition for him. I think one

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Speaker 1: thing might be they keep close tabs on who these

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Speaker 1: guys are. They know who Spencer Brown is, they know

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Speaker 1: who we all know. Dion Dowkins. He's just got you know,

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Speaker 1: he's gregarious. Everybody loves him. He's a happy, go lucky

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Speaker 1: guy and all that. There are some of these guys

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Speaker 1: that have a personality where a coaching staff or a

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Speaker 1: personnel staff will come to the opinion is it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter who we bring in to compete with him. It's

741
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Speaker 1: not gonna make him better. What's gonna make him better

742
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: is this, this, and this some other things, coaching him

743
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Speaker 1: up harder, watching him, gettinghim getting his way to all.

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Speaker 2: Others, giving him all the reps. With Connor mcgovernor right.

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Speaker 1: Give him giving him reps. So they're not really interested

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Speaker 1: in bringing in competition to take his job. Their motivating

747
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: him in a way that fits his personality better. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not and believe me, psychology and mental health has

749
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Speaker 1: become a big deal in pro sports and youth sports

750
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: and getting kids ready and making them happy when they

751
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: play rather than you know, going to work every day.

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00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: And the same thing is true with pro athletes even

753
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: to a greater extent, because they have personal lives, wives,

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Speaker 1: families and that they had to deal with and balance

755
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Speaker 1: they want to make sure they're in the right spot.

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00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: All of that stuff comes together to give you insight

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Speaker 1: as to what motivates a guy. Why is he doing

758
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: what he's doing? You, They may have and they may

759
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: come to the conclusion of Dion and we ain't pushing

760
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: his buttons bringing a guy in here to compete with them.

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Speaker 1: What we're pushing his buttons on is something else. So

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Speaker 1: they may not feel as a great an urgency to

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Speaker 1: bring in that competition that left tackle except the fact

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Speaker 1: they got to have a guy that can play and

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Speaker 1: they think Kestenberry can be that guy. And now maybe shall.

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Speaker 2: Break time for us here, But more of your phone

767
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Speaker 2: calls and comments on the tweets sheet coming your way. Next.

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Speaker 2: What has been your favorite off season move by the Bills.

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Speaker 2: We're back in a flash here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: presented by co Lot of Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right back here on One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

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Speaker 2: Steve Caspier with you and get some of your thoughts

773
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: on a tweet sheet as far as your favorite Bill's

774
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: off season move regarding the roster, DJ says Connor McGovern

775
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: and Damian Harris five hundred and fifty pounds, which can

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00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: change the offense's ability to milk the clock when they

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00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: have the lead at the end of the third, in

778
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: the middle of the fourth quarter. I think we will

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00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: see some of that in games where Buffalo's ahead, you're

780
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Speaker 2: up by ten.

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Speaker 1: Sounds great. All you're really trying to do is you

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00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: can run the ball. That's great, But the idea is

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Speaker 1: to stay on the field. So if you if you're

784
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: gonna throw it just you know, throw the ball, complete

785
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: the pass, and stay in bounds. It's the same as

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00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: a running play, but it takes it's easier and more

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00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: high percent. You never you know, you hardly ever see

788
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: them fumbling handoffs and that stuff anymore. You do it,

789
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: see it once in a while, obviously, but it's just

790
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: more safe. The question is, are they a good enough

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00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: offense to stay on the field and milk the clock.

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00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: It's easy to do if you can just hand it off,

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00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, it shortens the game. You get fewer possessions

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00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: because you're sitting there handing it off, and you get

795
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: three or four first downs. Kick a field goal. Now

796
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: you've got an even bigger lead, and they have, you know,

797
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: four or five minutes less clock to work. It's just

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00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: very simple. It sounds great, but it's hard to execute it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even the best teams struggle to you know,

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Speaker 1: just wind the clock down like that. I'm a big

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00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: fan of just playing your offense and go and just

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00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: keeping your foot on the gas. Have confidence in your guys.

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00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: Certainly it leaves you open to mistakes, but you know,

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00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: you're open to mistakes in the first half, just like

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00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: you are in the middle of the third quarter early

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00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: in the fourth. I'm a big fan of just running

807
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: your offense because when you start to do things differently,

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00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: you get different results and it's hard to stay successful.

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00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: I just want to run the ball when y'all want

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00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: to want. You need to be able to run the

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Speaker 1: ball when you want to run the ball, and when

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00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: they know you want to run the ball, right, And

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00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: that's what you're kind of talking about in this situation.

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Speaker 1: But if you can run the ball whenever you want,

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Speaker 1: the defenses, it makes it rough. It makes it rough

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Speaker 1: on them.

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00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: The defense is in this division will make it tough

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Speaker 2: to run on. I mean, the Jets were like a

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00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: top five run defense and they didn't lose much from

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00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: last year's front seven Miami's pretty good run front. They got,

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Speaker 2: you know, Wilkins in there with Zach Steeler think is

822
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: an underrated defensive tackle. And you know they're big because

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00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 2: there are three four and then New England, by nature

824
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: of Bill Belichick's preferences, goes big. You know, they don't

825
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: have light guys up near the line of scrimmage historically,

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Speaker 2: so you can run when they know you want to run,

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Speaker 2: and you're successful at it anyway? Who got to be

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Speaker 2: a feather in the cap? Gerald says on the tweet sheet,

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Speaker 2: a combination of the Harris and Murray signings. Nice veteran

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Speaker 2: presence in the running back room behind cook The singletary

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Speaker 2: experiment lasted way too long. I will say this, Steve.

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Speaker 2: The last day we were out there watching practice, James

833
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 2: cook Man, he is as smooth as butter out there

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Speaker 2: catching the football. He's really smooth, like it is effortless

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Speaker 2: for him, just catching the ball in stride and getting

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00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: upfield in a hurry. He looked really good on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there's some stuff on social media talking

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00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: to you know, showing some of his plays from a

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Speaker 1: year ago. You kind of forget that he did have

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00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: some moments where it was like, oh man, he looked

841
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: really good on that, you know, and he's done that

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00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: consistently now. Because we went through all training camp last

843
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: year and the regular season third days when we never

844
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: saw him take a rep, you know, and not that

845
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: he didn't take, but we just didn't. You didn't see

846
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: it too much. And you see him out there taking

847
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: consistent reps and getting the ball thrown at him on

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Speaker 1: a more regular basis man ole Man. It does. It

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Speaker 1: does encourage you about what he can bring to the offense.

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Speaker 2: Break time for us here, but when we come back,

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Speaker 2: we will be joined by Bill Barnwell from ESPN. He'll

852
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: be dicing up some of the offseason moves that he assessed,

853
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 2: not only for the Bills, but league wide as well.

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00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: Who in his mind did the best this offseason. We'll

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Speaker 2: catch up with Bill next here on One Bill's Live

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Speaker 2: here we are our number two on a Thursday, Chris

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Speaker 2: Brown speed test review, One Bill's Live, and glad to

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Speaker 2: be joined now by ESPN senior NFL writer and host

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Speaker 2: of the Bill Barnwell Show podcast. That's right, it's Bill Barnwell. Bill,

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Speaker 2: how are you doing? Thanks for giving us some time today?

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Speaker 6: Can I have to go on?

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Speaker 3: Guys?

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Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 2: I know you recently put together a piece rank in

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Speaker 2: the best and worst NFL off seasons here in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three, you had the Bills eighth on your list,

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Speaker 2: and I'm just wandering off the top here. What did

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Speaker 2: you like the most? What was there what move was

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Speaker 2: most appealing to you in terms of helping the bills

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Speaker 2: fortunes in twenty twenty three that they did well.

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Speaker 6: I like the combination. I'll go to two moves. I

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Speaker 6: would say the combo of signing Damian Harris and then

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Speaker 6: drafting Dalton Kincaid in the first round. And what this

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Speaker 6: reminds me of, guys, It's very similar to what the

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Speaker 6: Chief did last season. So twenty twenty the cheer sorry.

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Speaker 6: Twenty twenty one, I should say the Chief struggled with

881
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Speaker 6: teams kind of just chopping back, putting ch deep safeties

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Speaker 6: back there and saying, hey, we're going to force you

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Speaker 6: to work the ball slowly down the field with the

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Speaker 6: passing game because you don't get to on the ball,

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Speaker 6: and we're gonna take away your deep threats. And Chiefs struggled.

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Speaker 6: They were not as good on offense. In twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 6: they fixed that only out and signing or by drifting

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Speaker 6: a Saya Pacheco putting him in that running back spot

889
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Speaker 6: for Clyde Edward Zillira much more powerful back, and they

890
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Speaker 6: doubled their usage of two or more tight end sets.

891
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 6: They got bigger, they got more powerful, and they had

892
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Speaker 6: a counter punch when teams wanted to just drop back

893
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Speaker 6: and drop Baiden to coverage, like the Bengals did against

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Speaker 6: them in the AFC Championship game. So Bill's last year

895
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Speaker 6: kind of the same thing. We saw teams take away

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Speaker 6: the deep throws for Josh Allen, force him to slowly

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Speaker 6: work the ball down the field, be consistent, and then

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Speaker 6: force them and sort of dared them to rub the ball.

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Speaker 6: And the Bill's were not a very good running team

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Speaker 6: last year. Josh Allen, of course, you know, made some

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Speaker 6: plays on his own as a runner, but it felt

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Speaker 6: like they didn't have that counter punch for when teams

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Speaker 6: wanted to force them to work the ball down the field.

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Speaker 6: And I think what they did is kind of copy

905
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Speaker 6: in a good way what the Chiefs did to kind

906
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Speaker 6: of fix their offense last year. Build that CounterPunch, go

907
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Speaker 6: out and get a power back in Damian Harris. He's

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Speaker 6: going to be there. Checko Delton Concave. Not a blocker,

909
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Speaker 6: not a great blocker by any means, but he's a

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Speaker 6: physical force. And now they can come out with twelve

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Speaker 6: personnel at two tight ends on the field and making

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Speaker 6: forced teams to match and have mismatches. If you match

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Speaker 6: with that and you play your nickel or dime defense, well,

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Speaker 6: those are going to run you over with physical players

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Speaker 6: on offense, and if you're going to come out in

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Speaker 6: your base defense, and then you have Kinkaid, you have

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Speaker 6: Dawson Knox, you have the running backs with the possible

918
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Speaker 6: mismatch in the passing game against linebackers. So but they're

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Speaker 6: just trying to give, you know, that great passing attack

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Speaker 6: sort of a Plan B, sort of a CounterPunch, and

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Speaker 6: like what they did to build that into the offense

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Speaker 6: for twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that people have been talking about

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Speaker 1: with Latavius Murray on the on the roster and also

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Speaker 1: Damien Harris is the fact that the Bills will be

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Speaker 1: able to work the clock at the end of the game.

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Speaker 1: They'll be able to grind out victories when they're ahead,

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Speaker 1: you know, because of the prolific nature of their offense.

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Speaker 1: And it was very good last year, even at times

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Speaker 1: though looking like it was a heavy lift. The Bills

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Speaker 1: were still number two in scoring. They did all that.

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Speaker 1: How often do you see a team being able to

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Speaker 1: grind out a game with the running, grind out the

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Speaker 1: clock with a running game, because it seems just as

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Speaker 1: easy for most of these teams, particularly the Bills, the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, the Bengals, they just keep throwing the football

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Speaker 1: and just stay in bounds and work the clock with

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Speaker 1: their normal offense. How much of a trend is there

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Speaker 1: with these teams just running their normal offense in a

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Speaker 1: four minute drill.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely become more common. I think as we've

942
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Speaker 6: seen teams get more comfortable passing the ball, you know,

943
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Speaker 6: in in short yarded situations. You know, the at the

944
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Speaker 6: completion percentage in the NFL, of course, has gone up

945
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Speaker 6: so dramatically from the seventies and the eighties when people

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Speaker 6: are completing you know, sixty percent was a great number

947
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Speaker 6: for completion percentage in the NFL. And now if you're

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Speaker 6: completing sixty percent of your passes, you're one of the

949
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Speaker 6: worst quarterbacks in football. You're one of the worst offenses

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Speaker 6: in football. And so because teams are completing a higher

951
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Speaker 6: percentage of their passes, of course their passes are shorter,

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Speaker 6: you're getting in bound and you're really focusing I think

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Speaker 6: more on a practice off about understanding game situations, about

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Speaker 6: understanding Okay, this is when you need to be in bounds.

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Speaker 6: This is when you need to stay on the field.

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Speaker 6: And we see this in the playoffs, right, And how

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Speaker 6: many times have we seen, you know, either in the

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Speaker 6: regular season or in the postseason, see guys go down

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Speaker 6: to not not score when they could score to winning,

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Speaker 6: you know, to get a touchdown and known it chubbed

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Speaker 6: it a couple of years ago. You know, I think

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Speaker 6: players are more conscious about that stuff now than maybe

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Speaker 6: they were thirty forty fifty years ago. And so I

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Speaker 6: think teams and players are smarter in those situations when

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Speaker 6: you do throw the ball. But I think you want

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Speaker 6: to have that ability, you know, I think whether it's

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Speaker 6: four than one third and one third and two, whether

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Speaker 6: it's short yardage, whether you have that ability to kind

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Speaker 6: of say, okay, we can be physical, we can run

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Speaker 6: the clock. Then we're not going to do it every

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Speaker 6: single week. We're not going to be you know, Derrick

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Speaker 6: Henry and Tennessee they can do it. They're they're different

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Speaker 6: sort of offense. But you know, can we do that

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Speaker 6: if we need to in those situations? And I think

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Speaker 6: for the Bills, not just can we do it in

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Speaker 6: those situations, but can we do it without relying on

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Speaker 6: Josh Allen to put his body at risk, because you know,

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Speaker 6: we saw Josh Allen get banged up last year. He

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Speaker 6: wasn't one hundred percent for a chunk of the season.

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Speaker 6: And I think, you know, when you think about not

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Speaker 6: just the short term for the Bills with very Super

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Speaker 6: Bowl contender, but also the long term of you know,

983
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Speaker 6: you want this guy around for a decade to come.

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Speaker 6: You don't want him to be the next Carson Wentz

985
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Speaker 6: where he gets hurt and banged up and then you

986
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Speaker 6: know he does lose some efficiency and some effectiveness and

987
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Speaker 6: ends up not beating the guy you know your team

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Speaker 6: was hoping for. So I do think there's you know,

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Speaker 6: short and long term goals there for the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 2: I know you already touched on on Harris, and you

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Speaker 2: know you look at the investment made at the guard

992
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Speaker 2: position this offseason. You know, the biggest free agent contract

993
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 2: they handed out goes to Connor McGovern. David Edwards is

994
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Speaker 2: a proven starter in this league. He comes in and

995
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Speaker 2: probably factor into the guard competition as well, along with

996
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Speaker 2: the second round pick o Cyrus Torrants. And they're all bigger,

997
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,959
Speaker 2: beefier guards, certainly bigger than what they had last year

998
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Speaker 2: as a collective that combined with Harris and Murray. I'm

999
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Speaker 2: wondering if and you, I know, Bill, you keep tracking

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Speaker 2: is better than I do. And I don't mean to

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Speaker 2: put you on the spot, but light boxes are things.

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Speaker 2: Is that Buffalo had trouble taking advantage of to your

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Speaker 2: point that you know their run game wasn't efficient enough

1004
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Speaker 2: to do that. Do you think they're in position now

1005
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Speaker 2: to take advantage of light boxes when they see.

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Speaker 6: Them on paper? Yes, I mean obviously comes down to

1007
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Speaker 6: the execution, comes down to the play calling, come down

1008
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Speaker 6: to who stays healthy, of course, I mean that's stuff

1009
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Speaker 6: fall factors in. Can never say for sure, but on paper,

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Speaker 6: as we look here right now, they have answers that

1011
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Speaker 6: they didn't have a year ago. They have physicality that

1012
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Speaker 6: they didn't have a year ago. And they have, like

1013
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Speaker 6: I said, an offense that isn't just relying on Josh

1014
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Speaker 6: Allen and say, okay, Josh Allen, you're going to run power,

1015
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Speaker 6: You're going to un quarterback draw, You're going to figure

1016
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Speaker 6: run somebody over and figure this out. And I think

1017
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Speaker 6: that's the promising thing for a Bills fans. Now they

1018
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Speaker 6: have that plan be that plan see in those situations.

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Speaker 6: So I do think they can do it. It just

1020
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Speaker 6: comes down to execution and staying healthy.

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Speaker 1: One of the things about the tea, we ask what

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Speaker 1: people's favorite move by the Bills has been this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Not too many people have said losing Tremaine Edmonds as

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Speaker 1: their favorite thing. How do you think that affects this

1025
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: team overall? Going forward to the fact that it looks

1026
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Speaker 1: like they're gonna draw a name out of a hat

1027
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Speaker 1: to take that spot.

1028
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely gonna be a work in progress. You know,

1029
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 6: it's tough. Obviously, he had been there since really the

1030
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Speaker 6: beginning of the Sean McDermott era. You know that that

1031
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 6: sort of had been the you know, the four players

1032
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Speaker 6: you could you could right in ink every single week,

1033
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Speaker 6: you know, where Edmunds, Matt Mulano and then Jordan Ployer

1034
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Speaker 6: and mikel Hyde and the secondary. And last year, of course,

1035
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Speaker 6: you know, the secondary was banged up with injuries, not

1036
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Speaker 6: only in safety but also at cornerback. You know, it

1037
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Speaker 6: felt like they were even relying on Edmonds and Milano

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Speaker 6: more when they were on the field, because you know,

1039
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Speaker 6: they were the stability, they were the security blanket of

1040
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Speaker 6: the defense, and now that changes now, Like you said,

1041
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 6: you know, they might be picking a name out of

1042
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Speaker 6: a hat. They might be, you know, trying some guys

1043
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Speaker 6: out during the season. There's a chance that the guy

1044
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Speaker 6: who starts next to Milano hopefully in the postseason might

1045
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Speaker 6: not even be on the roster at the moment. It

1046
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Speaker 6: could be a veteran they bring in, you know, as

1047
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Speaker 6: guys get cut at the end of camp, and maybe

1048
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 6: someone pops open who they're interested in. But I think

1049
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Speaker 6: for the Bills, the hope has to be you know,

1050
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Speaker 6: the pieces around the linebackers are a little more solid

1051
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Speaker 6: and a little more stable than they were a year.

1052
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Speaker 6: Of course, you know, the secondary so destroyed by injuries

1053
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Speaker 6: over the course of the year that you've got to

1054
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Speaker 6: hope it's going to be healthier in twenty twenty three.

1055
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Speaker 6: Defensive line von Miller, you know, missing the final few

1056
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Speaker 6: weeks of the year and then the postseason. You've got

1057
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Speaker 6: to hope that defensive line is deeper and more productive

1058
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Speaker 6: year in twenty twenty three than it was a year ago.

1059
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Speaker 6: Is hopefully getting von Miller back for the important months

1060
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Speaker 6: of the year, certainly November, December, January and hopefully February,

1061
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Speaker 6: but I think you have to rely on, you know,

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Speaker 6: the other pieces around that lineback and cores maybe you know,

1063
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Speaker 6: sort of overcoming some of the rougher stretches where we're

1064
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Speaker 6: going to have you know, you're going to have blown coverages,

1065
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Speaker 6: You're going to have some miscommunications because the guys who

1066
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Speaker 6: can play next to Mount in Lana different than the

1067
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Speaker 6: guy who's been playing next to Milano for most of

1068
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Speaker 6: the past five years.

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Speaker 2: And the interesting part about that. Bill linebackers coach Bobby

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Speaker 2: Babbage this week, in talking about the middle linebacker competition

1071
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Speaker 2: that has already begun and will likely stretch into training

1072
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Speaker 2: camp in the preseason, said, with the way the game

1073
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: is going today, in an ideal world, you'd like to

1074
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: have two matchup linebackers on the field. And we're all

1075
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: under the assumption the Bills are going to largely play

1076
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: nickel again this year like they have the past couple

1077
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: of years. Base defense is largely dead in this league.

1078
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: But it kind of gave us a picture into what

1079
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 2: they would like the picture to look like. Next to

1080
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: Matt Mulano, an athlete that can run and cover, how

1081
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 2: vulnerable do you believe that leaves them in terms of

1082
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: defending the run front, or do you think there is

1083
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 2: enough upfront to kind of cover those guys up when

1084
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: a team tries to pound it at them.

1085
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 6: Well, I think the run front obviously is the you know,

1086
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 6: it is sort of the tougher thing to say, but

1087
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 6: you know, maybe the sort of the easier thing in

1088
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 6: terms of you know, if you get a guy in

1089
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 6: the right place at the right time, you're going to

1090
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 6: be rewarded more often than not. You want to get

1091
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 6: your run fits right. You want to have guys who know, okay,

1092
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 6: I have to get to the right hole, because of course,

1093
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 6: if you have two guys in the same gap, that

1094
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 6: could be to a ninety yard touchdown. Remember Derrick Henry

1095
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 6: scoring that long touchdown against the Bills a couple of

1096
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 6: years ago where I believe there was not somebody in

1097
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 6: the gap he cut through for a long score. That part,

1098
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 6: to me is hopefully you know, a product of good

1099
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 6: coaching and then just you know, good instincts, get intelligence

1100
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 6: from the players involved. But then in terms of the

1101
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 6: passing game, you know what I mean, look at how

1102
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 6: this league is going, and the most dangerous weapon in

1103
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 6: the AFC right now might be you know eighty seven

1104
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 6: in Kansas City, where Andy Reid is going to scheme

1105
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 6: all day to get mismatches where he has you know,

1106
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 6: Travis Kelcey against the weaker linebacker in this Bill's defense,

1107
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 6: all the RPOs, all those slants and glances where you

1108
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 6: know you're trying displace that linebacker, play him against his instincts,

1109
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 6: get him to you know, to not read his keys

1110
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 6: correctly or confuse him, and then you know he plays

1111
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 6: behind him for big games. But Dolphins, of course, you know,

1112
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 6: so much of their success of this last year was

1113
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 6: storing over the middle of the field. So I think,

1114
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 6: you know, it doesn't feel like a you know, a

1115
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 6: key position in the NFL, but the reality is every

1116
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 6: position on defense is important, and we know, you know,

1117
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 6: the difference between winning and losing the game can be

1118
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 6: you know, one long catch and run behind a exposed linebacker.

1119
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 6: So this is going to be a really interesting spot,

1120
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 6: and I think the Bills are in a good position. Obviously.

1121
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 6: You know, plenty of teams have more holes than the

1122
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 6: Bills too. It'scause they only maybe have one or two

1123
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 6: significant holes or real question marks heading into the season.

1124
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 6: But I think if you're a posing offensive Coordina. You're

1125
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 6: looking at the Bills. You're sort of looking your chops

1126
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 6: to saying, Hey, that's where we're going to attack. That's

1127
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 6: where we're going to go is go after that linebacker.

1128
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Speaker 1: Bill, thanks for spending some time with us. Really appreciate it.

1129
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 6: Of course, Thanks so much. Guys, haveing going all right?

1130
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: That's Bill Barnwell, ESPN, senior NFL writer joining us and

1131
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: had the Bills ranked eighth on his list in terms

1132
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 2: of best off seasons. And you know, as you heard

1133
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 2: him talk about the CounterPunch on offense, and he likes

1134
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 2: Damian Harris and Dalton Kincaid in terms of his favorite

1135
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: offseason moves because I think he believes those two guys

1136
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: are what are who are going to equip the Bills

1137
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: with that counter punch that we talked about. I mean,

1138
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: they did face more cover two shell last year, similar

1139
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 2: to what the Chiefs faced a couple of years ago,

1140
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 2: you know, when they didn't get to the Super Bowl.

1141
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: And what did think about it? What did Andy Reid

1142
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 2: and Brett Veach, the GM of the Chiefs do. They

1143
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: threw Tyreek Hill overboard, traded him to Miami partly because

1144
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 2: they didn't want to pay him giant money, and instead

1145
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: they signed a bunch of receivers Mark his Valdez, Scanling,

1146
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 2: Juju Smith, Schuster, And they just flooded the field with

1147
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: receivers underneath to give more options to Patrick Mahomes, knowing

1148
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: the cover two shell might still be there to some degree,

1149
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: and they said, all right, can you cover everybody? Let's see, right,

1150
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 2: they couldn't they go all the way to the super

1151
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: Bowl without Tyreek Hill and Mahomes is MVP. It's right,

1152
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 2: I mean, and they have to Barnwell's point, a slashing back,

1153
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 2: a more decisive downhill runner in Pacheco. That's not who

1154
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: Clyde Edwards Hilaire was. He's kind of a dance around,

1155
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 2: you know, find a crease and get a few yards

1156
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: kind of guy.

1157
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: But Checko's an angry runner. Yeah, he's good.

1158
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: Made a difference for.

1159
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: Those of you wondering. Bill Barnwell who joined us a

1160
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: minute ago. He's got the Bills at number eight in

1161
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: the off season rankings, eight the best. It's great, hey,

1162
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: they're in the top inside the top ten. Really good.

1163
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: The problem is the Chiefs are number seven, the Bengals

1164
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: are number six, the Packers are number five, Philly's number four.

1165
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: H Dallas is number three, Miami, Miami number two and

1166
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: number two two and number one was Washington Commanders who

1167
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: had the furthest to go and had nothing to do

1168
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: but go up, and probably because the.

1169
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: Team got sold right, the ownership change was the main

1170
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 2: impetus behind that ranking.

1171
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: The two of the three or two of the teams

1172
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: the Bills are chasing in the conference had better off

1173
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: seasons by Bill Barnwell's analysis, and then of course another

1174
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,439
Speaker 1: division opponent had an even better off season than anybody else,

1175
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: and that's the Miami Dolphins, right.

1176
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 2: So, and the coaching change on defense and Vic Fangio

1177
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 2: weighed heavily in that rank.

1178
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: And think about it too, that the Jets aren't even

1179
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: in that conversation. So there's a lot of teams that

1180
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: had really good off seasons by Bill Barnwell, who are

1181
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: just our guests, they're all right in the thick of

1182
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: the Bills sites for this season and their expectations for

1183
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 1: this season. So yes, while we've been sitting here thinking

1184
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: about how good the Bills have got it, and they did,

1185
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: they did it right, and they're doing some good things.

1186
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: So were the other teams in the right in their vicinity. Yeah,

1187
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: we're just trying to It seems like you're just as

1188
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: good as you can get is to keep up at

1189
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: this point.

1190
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 2: Right, You sparked my curiosity because now I want to

1191
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: see where the Jets wound up, because these rankings aren't

1192
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 2: based solely on player acquisitions. Jets ended up twenty third,

1193
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: and that's what the acquisition of Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, his

1194
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 2: in his opinion, they overpaid to get Rogers. So knowing

1195
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 2: it's probably only a short term thing, but that's the

1196
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 2: one man's opinion. We'll see what the season tells us,

1197
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 2: might tell us something very different. But yeah, I mean,

1198
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 2: and the middle linebacker thing is going to be a

1199
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 2: fascinating thing to witness. I mean, it's going to be

1200
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 2: one of the most hotly contested position battles. I would

1201
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: say right guard is probably the other for Buffalo, knowing

1202
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,439
Speaker 2: the competition that's been brought in not only in free

1203
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 2: agency but the draft as well Ryan Bates, who's the incumbent,

1204
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: And you know, we'll have to see how it plays out.

1205
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: But I really think Bobby Batters kind of painted the

1206
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: picture for us. They want athletes at the linebacker position,

1207
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 2: and I think they feel they have enough beef up

1208
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 2: front to kind of cover those guys up in the

1209
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 2: run front where they don't have guards climbing to the

1210
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: second level and taking them out of the play.

1211
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to be very honest with you, it's getting

1212
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: to the point where it used to be. You know,

1213
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: we all heard it runs stop the run. That's not

1214
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: so true anymore. It's stopped the pass and dare him

1215
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: to run. You know, I hope they were, because your

1216
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,919
Speaker 1: offense is gonna it's a tract me. You know, you've

1217
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: got an offense that's gonna score touchdowns and get in

1218
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: the red zone and do all that, and all of

1219
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: a sudden you hand it off twice and you don't

1220
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: get your yards. Now you've got to do something you're

1221
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: not good at, and that's throw the football against a

1222
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: team that's built to stop the pass. So that's that's

1223
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: the philosophy now in the NFL. Yeah, run defense is

1224
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: more about run fits and getting some big bodies up front.

1225
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: But you're not building your defense around that anymore. You're

1226
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: building your defense around guys that can run and cover. That.

1227
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 2: Being said, I will tell you I'm glad that Poon

1228
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: affords here I'm between him and Daikwon Jones, I feel,

1229
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 2: and Jordan Phillips as well.

1230
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: I feel so much better when I see they have

1231
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: big bodies up front about the linebackers.

1232
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: I'll bet Terrell Bernard and Baile Inspector and Dorian Williams

1233
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 2: feel better about it, right, And then flipping it around,

1234
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 2: you know, you think about all the cover two shell

1235
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 2: that the Bill saw last year and how they were

1236
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 2: forced to adjust to that. Where now, at least in

1237
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 2: my estimation, if they're going to play that much cover

1238
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 2: two shell against the Bills, I think it was up

1239
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 2: over four last year, over forty percent of the snaps.

1240
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 2: Now you can just turn around, hand it off and

1241
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 2: if you've got big hosses at the guard position and

1242
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: you can run between the tackles and you've got a

1243
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: downhill runner like Damian Harris, sign me up right, if

1244
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 2: that fit, that will be productive. And now you know,

1245
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: and if you are productive, now you're pulling them out

1246
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,439
Speaker 2: of that too. You know, that cover two shell because

1247
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:24,959
Speaker 2: they got to bring another guy down the box.

1248
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: What that means what Brownie's talking about, if those of

1249
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: you are in trouble keeping it, they got two guys

1250
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: back deep and they got corners on the outside, that's eight.

1251
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: That's four guys of their eleven that are off the

1252
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: way off the outside the box. Then if you split

1253
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: out a slot receiver and pull another guy out, they've

1254
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: only got six guys between the tackle, between the in

1255
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: the tackle box, between the tight end, and if the

1256
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: title's on the right, between the tight end outside the

1257
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: right tackle and the left tackle, there's only six guys

1258
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: defensively in there. And if you've got some big, you know,

1259
01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: big mammoths in there that can push, you win just

1260
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: on the scale, let alone on the field. Right. So

1261
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: you're just gonna go out there and push with a

1262
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: big back and a you know, two hundred and fifty

1263
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: pounds quarterback who all of a sudden, you know, you're

1264
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: pounding them and they're jumping in trying to stop the back,

1265
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Josh pulls the ball out

1266
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: and traps is around for fifteen yards and slides at

1267
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: the end of it. You don't even get to touch him.

1268
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: That's pretty frustrating for a defense, And that's what you're

1269
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: looking at. You're looking at the Bill's ability to go

1270
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,879
Speaker 1: against light boxes with a run game. That's pretty salty

1271
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: and if they said, Okay, now we're gonna go eight

1272
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 1: guys in the bar. We're gonna bring a safety down,

1273
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: put him on the other side of the linebackers where

1274
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: the slot, you know, away from the slot receiver, and

1275
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 1: here we go. Let's get a guy, extra guy in there. Okay, Well,

1276
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: now you got Digs Kinkaid Surefield and James Cook who

1277
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: pops out of there. Yeah, so you can see how

1278
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: it starts to be a simple math problem two and twofold.

1279
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 1: One number of bodies you've got in there and two

1280
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: how much do they weigh? Yeah, Yeah, it'll be fun

1281
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: to see.

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Speaker 2: Nice dilemma. Yeah, it's into defenses.

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Speaker 1: It's a problem. It's a problem if you if your

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Speaker 1: offensive line and your running backs can make that happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to the phones at eight oh three

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Speaker 2: zero five fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two

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Speaker 2: five fifty to Chuck in Hamburg. Next, what do you

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Speaker 2: got for us? Chuck? You're on one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, just want to, I guess talk about the

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Speaker 7: defense and the way this is all kind of shaken out,

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Speaker 7: you know, with Edmund's meeting. There's obviously Voyd, there's not

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Speaker 7: a real clear answer there. And I think this is

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Speaker 7: kind of, you know, a way that they're going to

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Speaker 7: be able to really kind of substitute that that Mike

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Speaker 7: linebacker position by committee. You know, you can see I

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Speaker 7: think Taylor rapis this year for a reason. I think

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Speaker 7: he's gonna play and you're not gonna take Koyer and

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Speaker 7: hide off the field. So there's a potential answer, you know,

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Speaker 7: Bernard Williams dot and I think is even capable. You know,

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Speaker 7: I think it's gonna kind of rotate on a need

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Speaker 7: by need basis, and it's going to really depend on

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Speaker 7: what the personnel is doing on the other side. You

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Speaker 7: kind of hit the nail on the head, you know,

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Speaker 7: defunct the line and kind of let the rest of

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Speaker 7: your defense play out. And I think that's the way

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Speaker 7: you're gonna be able to keep up with faster offenses

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Speaker 7: and you know, really kind of take advantage of guys'

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Speaker 7: ability to cover in space. But still, I guess, do

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Speaker 7: your best to not get two gas in the run game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right. And it does open itself up

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Speaker 1: because we're having this conversation because there's no proven answers

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Speaker 1: to the Tremaine Edmunds departure. Certainly they're going to have

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Speaker 1: that right now. Yeah, certainly they're gonna if they want

1314
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Speaker 1: to do things the way they've done them in the past,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna find one guy and they're never gonna substitute him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they did. That's how they played

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Speaker 1: defense for under Leslie Frasier. There was the same eleven

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Speaker 1: guys on the field theoretically every play defensive snap. I

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Speaker 1: I kind of think that might change at least a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a percentage of plays where you're going to

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Speaker 1: have Matt Mulano and rap as the two linebackers. That

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Speaker 1: kind of thing, right, or something of that native.

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Speaker 2: I think that's just a small package of play might

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Speaker 2: be because the bottom line for me is this, there

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Speaker 2: are only a few positions that, by at least by

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Speaker 2: unwritten rule, you don't submit to a committee approach. Quarterback

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Speaker 2: and middle linebacker. The guy's running your defense, and to

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Speaker 2: indicate that you use that position and it's filled by

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Speaker 2: a committee, to me, just doesn't facilitate the functionality of

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Speaker 2: your defense. They're used to hearing this guy in their

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Speaker 2: ear or out on the field directing traffic. Has had

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Speaker 2: a playoff of those guys, and with it being a

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Speaker 2: new player getting dropped into that role for the first

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Speaker 2: time in five years, I don't think it can be

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Speaker 2: a committee. It's gonna compromise the functionality of getting all

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Speaker 2: the checks down before the snap and all of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: So maybe a package of plays certain down and distance,

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Speaker 2: you have a specialty package and you use tailor rap

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Speaker 2: as a chess piece. Okay, I'll sign up for that.

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Speaker 2: But the vast majority of this defense you need consistency,

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01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 2: and with a new guy in the mix, whoever the

1342
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Speaker 2: starter becomes, that guy's got to stay on the field

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Speaker 2: to call the defense.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, that's not just Brownie's opinion. I've heard

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Speaker 1: that exact thought echoed to me by multiple defensive coordinators

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Speaker 1: over my career as a broadcaster. There's something innately distasteful

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Speaker 1: to a defense about having this guy who's the leader. Listen,

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Speaker 1: Jack Lambert, Mike Singletary, Ray Nichki, Uh, you go down,

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01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: Dick Butkus, Brian Urlocker, Ray Lewis, Uh, you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: the guy in Carolina Keithley, Luke Keikley. Do you get

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Speaker 1: these guys in there? And I've had multiple defensive coordinators say,

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Speaker 1: if that guy's if that guy's your lead dog, if

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Speaker 1: he's the guy you want in there with the green

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01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: dot on his helmet calling the plays. I don't want

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Speaker 1: him standing beside me on the sidelines on third down.

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Speaker 1: He's got a if he's a lead dog, lead be

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Speaker 1: out there on every single snap. That is almost universally

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Speaker 1: an opinion by defensive coordinators around the league. And since

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Speaker 1: we've got a defensive coordinator as a head coach, a.

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Speaker 2: Former who's gonna be calling the plays.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's his you know, that's his desire

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Speaker 1: as well. So it's not just you know, having this

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Speaker 1: guy who's you know who is. It's not a nuts

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01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: and bolts kind of thing. It's an emotional thing, like

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01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: Brownie said, and a communication thing as much as anything else.

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Speaker 1: You need if you if you want to be a

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01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: big tough, nasty defense, you need a big tough, nasty attitude.

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Speaker 1: And it starts with the leader of that team. And

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Speaker 1: that's the voice they hear on every play, that guy

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Speaker 1: with a green dot. So it's not just it's not

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Speaker 1: just some they're looking for some hero to come and

1372
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Speaker 1: rescue them. They need a guy. It's almost universal that

1373
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,799
Speaker 1: defenses want a guy, and that's why, in my opinion,

1374
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: ray Lewis was maybe the best middle linebacker of all time.

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Speaker 1: He was way more than just that guy. He was

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Speaker 1: that and everything else that goes with it. That team,

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01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 1: the entire team was on that guy's back and he

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01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: was up to it. So it's not just me and

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01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: Brownie saying, well, I hope they found a guy so

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Speaker 1: they can. You know, they don't have to do it

1381
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: by committee because you know, you get a kid. No, no, no,

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01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: it's more than that. It's having a guy, and that's

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Speaker 1: why Tremade Edmonds was such a find when he was. Now,

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Speaker 1: certainly we've had we had polarizing conversations about the way

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01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: Tremaine played and think that all that stuff and the

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01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: kind of playy was and what they I think some

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Speaker 1: of it stemmed from what they asked him to do

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01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: and how they asked him to play. But they got

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01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 1: their guy. I mean, that was job one for Jeohn

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01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:22,480
Speaker 1: McDermott when he got here. They they got Josh, yes, obviously,

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01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: but Tremaine wasn't far behind, right, and Tremaine was on

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01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: the field before Josh yep, So that'll tell you how

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01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,799
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator thinks about that kind of stuff. Brownie

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01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: said it. He's right. It ain't just a it's not

1395
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: just a philosophy. It's a core belief, not by defensive

1396
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Speaker 1: coordinators across.

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Speaker 2: The league, non committee position.

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Speaker 1: It is a non negotiable almost unless you are pushed

1399
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: into a corner and have to do it. It is

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Speaker 1: almost non negotiation.

1401
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 2: And even then I don't think they would do it right.

1402
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: We have to take a break here, but Tom Buffalo

1403
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 2: will lead us off as we take more of your

1404
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 2: phone calls. What's been your favorite offseason move? We're also

1405
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 2: talking the middle linebacker spot. Plenty more coming your way

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Speaker 2: next to here on One Bill's Live, presented by co

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Speaker 2: Lot of Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you final

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01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 2: half hour here on a Thursday, and we go back

1410
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 2: to the phones as we're looking for your favorite offseason

1411
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 2: move by the Bills, among other subjects, because we're talking

1412
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 2: middle linebacker too, and we go to Tom in Buffalo next.

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Speaker 2: What you got for us? Tom, You're on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, hope you're gonna have a great rest of

1415
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,799
Speaker 5: your day because Steve, you seem to get a little

1416
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 5: agitated like me once in a while. But anyway, Yeah,

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01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 5: everybody's forgetting who we got. We got Dobson and we

1418
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 5: got Kwine. I like both of them. But maybe they

1419
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:04,719
Speaker 5: see something because he's going into his second year now, man,

1420
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 5: they might see something there that everybody's forgetting about. But

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01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 5: they see it.

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01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I will say this, Tom. The number

1423
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 2: one thing that attracted them to him as a third

1424
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 2: round pick two years ago are his instincts. He is

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01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:23,759
Speaker 2: a very, very instinctive player in terms of reading the play,

1426
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 2: doing his film study, knowing what's coming, and calling it

1427
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 2: out to the rest of the defense. And I got

1428
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 2: to say, if you're trying to pick a middle linebacker

1429
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 2: and you want to talk about an attractive quality, if

1430
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 2: he can alert everybody else to what's coming because of

1431
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 2: his instincts and his ability to process this game and

1432
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 2: recognize alignment and assignment, that benefits everybody, the other ten

1433
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 2: guys on the field. If you can clue somebody in,

1434
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 2: you know, think about this. When McDermott was the coordinator

1435
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 2: in Carolina, he was very fortunate that he had an

1436
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 2: ultra instinctive player in Luke Keighley, who knew what was

1437
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 2: happening before anybody else did. The guy that can most

1438
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:07,440
Speaker 2: closely replicate that and as the athleticism to go with it,

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01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 2: is probably the guy that's going to be starting a

1440
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: middle linebacker. And I think a prime candidate is to

1441
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 2: El Bernard And it hasn't been talked about enough, but

1442
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 2: his instincts, at least when he was coming out last

1443
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 2: year and he was made a third round pick of

1444
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 2: the Bills, his instincts and his football IQ are off

1445
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 2: the charts and that might be the biggest feather in

1446
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 2: his cap in this middle linebacker competition.

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01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. I'm I think they have

1448
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,759
Speaker 1: an idea of who they wanted to what they wanted

1449
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 1: to look like. They're going to find the closest thing

1450
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: they can. Maybe there will be some stuff they tailor

1451
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 1: around whatever guy they chooses his skill set, but it'll

1452
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how and we may never know,

1453
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: but it'll be interesting to see how they prioritize whatever

1454
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: skill sets the guys they have to choose from bring,

1455
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You might have a guy

1456
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: like Baylen Spector who's a little bigger athletic he's a

1457
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: dude like that. Or you may have a guy like

1458
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 1: Bernard who is completely instinctive. Wherever the ball is, he

1459
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 1: guy end ups ends up right there. Or you may

1460
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: have a guy like Dodson who is an absolute hammer.

1461
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 1: One of those guys so, and and then you mix

1462
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 1: in how are they perceived by their teammates. Do the

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01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: guys like who they listen to? The best, who communicates

1464
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: the best, who knows most about the defense, who calls it,

1465
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: who gets the checks out faster.

1466
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 2: Than the other guy, who gets him in the best

1467
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 2: play the most offense?

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01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: Right, So I mean there's I mean, obviously they got

1469
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: to make the right calls and get the defense in

1470
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 1: the right adjustments that all three guys should be. That

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01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: should be a push when it comes to that. But

1472
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Speaker 1: does the one guy do it faster than the others?

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01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: Does he?

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01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 3: You know?

1475
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: Does he handle it better? Does he does everybody? Does? Now?

1476
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 1: Do fewer guys miss the check when he's on the field?

1477
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: That kind of thing, man, A, there's a gazillion variables

1478
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: in this competition, and it's only made worse by the

1479
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,719
Speaker 1: fact that you got guys who didn't take too many reps.

1480
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: When Tremaine Edmonds was in the building.

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01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

1482
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: How these guys know if these guys can play at all.

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01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 2: Well, that's what they're aiming to find out here through

1484
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 2: the course of the spring, presumably training camp, and maybe

1485
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 2: even a preseason game or two. Let's get back to

1486
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 2: the tweet sheet to get your thoughts on your favorite

1487
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 2: offseason move by the Bills thus far. Phillip says the

1488
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 2: new defensive coordinator, the soft conservative D cost us some

1489
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:47,440
Speaker 2: cost us come playoff time. Looking forward to extra possessions

1490
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,640
Speaker 2: for number seventeen. So Philip is of the belief that

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Speaker 2: Sean McDermott and the way he will call the defense

1492
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 2: will lead to more turnovers and thus more possessions for

1493
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 2: Buffalo's offense.

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01:20:58,800 --> 01:20:59,879
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be nice?

1495
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 2: I'll sign up for that.

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01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that. I've said it before. Defense in

1497
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: the NFL is not about running and stopping the run

1498
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: and all that. It's about sacking the quarterback and getting turnovers.

1499
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: It's about making plays on crucial downs and unexpected, unexpected moments.

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01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: That's what really good defenses do. The ones that you remember,

1501
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: the ones that now that make a difference, and the

1502
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: ones that other fan bases are like going, oh man,

1503
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: we got to play that guy. Those guys because they

1504
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 1: get they get after your quarterback and they turn the

1505
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: football over. That's what defense is about. And while the

1506
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: Bills statistically were at the top of the rankings every year,

1507
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 1: virtually every year for the last five years, it was

1508
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: rare that they were spectacular. And the one the season

1509
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 1: that that where they did get a lot of turnovers

1510
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: was two thy nineteen when they went to the playoffs

1511
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen's second year and to Houston. They they

1512
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: made I mean they made Hay in the first half

1513
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: of the season getting turnover, turnover, turnover, turn I mean,

1514
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: they went crazy with turnovers the first half of the

1515
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 1: season and that's what got them to the point where

1516
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: they made enough plays, won enough games with Josh early

1517
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 1: in his career that they could get to the playoffs.

1518
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: That's what got them to the playoffs was that, in

1519
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: my opinion, certainly everybody had a hand in it, but defensively,

1520
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 1: that's it. And so I mean, if you get back

1521
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 1: to that and that statistic a loan, if if you

1522
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 1: can win the turnover battle, if you get more turnovers

1523
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,799
Speaker 1: and give turn the ball over less, and your receivers

1524
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 1: don't drop the ball as much as they did a

1525
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: year ago. This team is right back in the hunt

1526
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: all you know, all the way to the divisional round

1527
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 1: of the playoffs and the AFC Championship.

1528
01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 2: Again, you're right about the defense though, I mean nineteen

1529
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 2: the Bill's averaged nineteen points six points per game and

1530
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 2: made the playoffs, right, think about that. That's unusual.

1531
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: And they got because they got turnovers.

1532
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty remarkable. Elsewhere on the tweet sheet, Bill says

1533
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 2: drafting Osiris Torrance with an honorable mention to bringing back Poyer.

1534
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 2: They needed to improve the old line and having Poyer,

1535
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 2: along with Hyde and White healthy is significant.

1536
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 1: I forgot about Poyer. Yeah, he was out the door.

1537
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 2: We thought he was gone.

1538
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: We were like, it was a great habit, he was

1539
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: a great player. We're gonna miss him, hopeing wish him

1540
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: all the best. Ah, we signed him.

1541
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the only reason that happened, Steve was

1542
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 2: because in the free agent market there were eighteen starting

1543
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 2: safeties in free agency eighteen. There usually isn't even half

1544
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: that number in most years. It was bad timing for

1545
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 2: Poyer as far as his earning potential went, but it

1546
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 2: was great news for the Bills. Yeah, because they could

1547
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 2: afford to bring him back. Jesse Bates is really the

1548
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 2: only safety that broke the bank in free agency because

1549
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 2: there was too much supply and not enough demand. So

1550
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 2: that's where it sits.

1551
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was as a huge get, and.

1552
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 2: Then they could tail a Rap on top of it.

1553
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 1: And I'd forgotten about it. I forgot all about Poyer

1554
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: actually being I think we're all you know, Yeah, we

1555
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: had come to grips with the fact that he was

1556
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 1: not going to be a Bill and he ends up

1557
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:40,640
Speaker 1: right back here. Yeah, that's I had forgotten about that

1558
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: offseason move.

1559
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 2: Jeremy on the tweets, she says Ford and Rap as

1560
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 2: additions to the roster might prove to be some of

1561
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 2: the biggest steals in the off season. Both could have

1562
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 2: a long career here if things pan out and it

1563
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 2: didn't cost us anything to get them. That's a very

1564
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 2: astute point by Jeremy, because even though they only signed

1565
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 2: one year contracts, both did express upon signing wanting to

1566
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 2: be in a winning situation. And I think I don't

1567
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 2: know this, but it wouldn't surprise me if you know,

1568
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean and talking to them and their representatives said, hey, look,

1569
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 2: we want to add it to the mix here, and

1570
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 2: your opportunity could be even bigger beyond this year. We

1571
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 2: can only afford to sign it to a one year

1572
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 2: deal now, but show up and show out and then

1573
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 2: maybe we can talk about a longer deal come this offseason,

1574
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: right because I think put a forward for me is

1575
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 2: an upgrade up front. And Taylor Rapp is a much

1576
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 2: younger player than Poyer and Hyde. Are both of those

1577
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 2: guys going to be here next year? I don't think

1578
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 2: that's set in stone at any by any means. And

1579
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 2: to have a younger player in the fold who's going

1580
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 2: to have a year in your system that you could

1581
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 2: potentially sign to a long term deal, that's attractive.

1582
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: I think one of the things too, And let's let's

1583
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: I mean to be to put the you know, right

1584
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: where the rubber meets the road. They don't want to

1585
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 1: go through a season like that they did last year

1586
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: where they got both safeties com or one of the

1587
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: safety safeties compromising. Poyer and Hyde have been awesome and great,

1588
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 1: but Hyde was out for fifteen weeks last year. Poyer

1589
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: was nicked the entire season and guted it out. You

1590
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: don't want to have them having to do that without

1591
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: having because you let a guy go behind, Yeah, you

1592
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 1: gotta have. You got a guy out there gutting it out,

1593
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: that's one thing. But if he's gutting it out and

1594
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 1: you wish you didn't have to make him gut it

1595
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 1: out because you wish you'd get healthy over the next

1596
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: two weeks, you had a guy you trusted as much,

1597
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, or if Heaven forbid, you know, he breaks

1598
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: a toe and can't play, you gotta have somebody in there.

1599
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: Micah Hyde's absence was huge last year.

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01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 2: Well not only because he couldn't play, but because the

1601
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 2: person he had behind him, whether it was Jakwan Johnson

1602
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 2: or Jamar Hamlin, were literally learning on the fly. That's right,

1603
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 2: and and that's a tough That's a tough ask, not

1604
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 2: only for the player but for the defense to maintain

1605
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 2: the same level of affectiveness. So that was the ultimate challenge,

1606
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,600
Speaker 2: and it's why you know, they were just awful, a

1607
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 2: little bit from what they had been for years. We

1608
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 2: have to take a break here, some final thoughts on

1609
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 2: the tweet cheet. When we return here on One Bill's Live,

1610
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:27,560
Speaker 2: presented by a lot of health it's Buffalo Bills Radio.

1611
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 2: All right, some final thoughts on the tweet sheet here

1612
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 2: on one Bill's Live, and we go to Richard, who

1613
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 2: says best offseason move was not signing Obj. Not worth

1614
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 2: what it would have taken to sign him. Lionel says,

1615
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 2: poon Afford, stout body, long arms, Bill's attitude sounds like

1616
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 2: a commercial slogan. Stout size, long arms Bill's attitude.

1617
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 1: We saw he's been out of OTA's and he's like

1618
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:07,640
Speaker 1: five to eleven, but he's three bills and long arm.

1619
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: He's got long arms, right, So you watch him on film,

1620
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: and Brownie was showing me these highlights and his film

1621
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 1: on Poona Ford and the thing that you notice, you

1622
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 1: they can't get under him. You get all these you know,

1623
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: look at the guys that the Bills have signed. You

1624
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 1: got Spencer Brown, you got David Edwards, you got h McGovern.

1625
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: Those guys are all six five six six Brown six

1626
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: seven put him forwards five eleven. They can't get under him.

1627
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 2: They can't even get to his chest.

1628
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 1: They can't get on him. All these guys from these

1629
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 1: other teams cannot get under the guy's pads. And he's

1630
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 1: down there and he's they can't move him, and he's

1631
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 1: not he's big, he's three bills, but they can't push

1632
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 1: him around. And he he's got great leverage. You know,

1633
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 1: he's got these long arms. The guy's a really effective player.

1634
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm kind of I'm waiting to see that

1635
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 1: guy play. I'm I didn't know who he was when

1636
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: they sign him, so I've been studying up. I know

1637
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 1: why they signed him.

1638
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 2: Jay Lisch says, all the additions and staying under the radar.

1639
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 2: I love lying in the weeds. And Andrew says Trent Sherfield,

1640
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 2: he's a dynamic wide receiver. I know we brought in

1641
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 2: another lot of other talented guys, but for me, this

1642
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 2: guy's a game changer. That's it for us. Today. I'm

1643
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 2: in here with Chris Trapasso. Tomorrow we'll see it one