Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sellings Podcast with your host. Now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: load glasses, Malone, I.
Speaker 2: Can see you then putting no phone up in that room.
Speaker 2: Still it's phone across from me. What do you know?
Speaker 2: Why would I have phone behind me?
Speaker 3: Because because I can still hear the echo.
Speaker 2: I can hear the echo on your shit too.
Speaker 1: No you can't, Yes, Igain, that's just this Sony C
Speaker 1: eight hundred microphone that I do my podcast on it.
Speaker 3: It's a level of clarity that you don't understand.
Speaker 1: You haven't heard such clarity feel me through a podcast.
Speaker 3: What's crazy is now? My podcast?
Speaker 1: Now No Sellans Pete is finally gonna go top twenty
Speaker 1: because we're investing into the quality of sound.
Speaker 4: It took us a long time to get in on
Speaker 4: that infrastructure.
Speaker 2: Microphone has anything, brother, because people love to record shit.
Speaker 2: It's it's the commentary that you have, brother, it's my
Speaker 2: voice sounds so much silkier. So now you can hear
Speaker 2: every annunciation of every letter, so people don't they're not
Speaker 2: confused on what I'm saying any longer.
Speaker 4: Do you think that our audience demography is going to change?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: And gravitate more towards a group of people that are
Speaker 4: mostly just interested in the silkiness of your newfound voice.
Speaker 1: Well, I think we're gonna keep our audience, our no
Speaker 1: Sillings family, but also we're gonna get people like Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: Jay Z, people who understand such levels of clare like
Speaker 1: economically valuable voices, got very nice. Yeah, when you project,
Speaker 1: like if Donald Trump did a podcast, he would do
Speaker 1: it through a C.
Speaker 3: Eight hundred, I could see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Donald Trump is about to go to zeal So.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know, Kennedy almost has enough? Does he have
Speaker 2: enough signatures?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Peter the where he can run?
Speaker 4: He is running. He absolutely running.
Speaker 2: He's going to be a sleeper.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be a sleep He's gonna be a spoiler. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he gonna fuck up on votes.
Speaker 2: No, I think he got action that winning, zero chance
Speaker 2: of winning. Nobody really wants to vote for Biden, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't want to vote for Trump.
Speaker 3: Everybody wants to vote for Trump.
Speaker 2: No, they don't.
Speaker 4: That's they do on this goddamn podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably on this podcast they do, But I don't
Speaker 2: think everybody does. Bro and.
Speaker 4: The Trump's floor is like forty and there's just not
Speaker 4: enough space for Kennedy to make that up.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, man, I don't care. Man, it's
Speaker 2: all of them.
Speaker 3: So I just paid twenty dollars for a double cheeseburger special,
Speaker 3: So I care.
Speaker 2: I care too. We need to get Biden the hell
Speaker 2: out of there.
Speaker 3: Yo, how did you go to get that special?
Speaker 1: You did that shit? Remember we was on still last
Speaker 1: and Still was trying to get Trump out of there,
Speaker 1: and he's like Biden, I'm like, Biden horrible, and he
Speaker 1: wanted anybody but Trump because he was scared because people
Speaker 1: was angry. Well guess what now, we got twenty dollars
Speaker 1: double cheeseburger specials at doubles.
Speaker 2: Still I used to I just spend thirty dollars at
Speaker 2: MacDonald's and didn't get what I wanted. They said they
Speaker 2: don't have any more apple pies, which is the story
Speaker 2: of their life.
Speaker 3: When I go over there, this is your fault.
Speaker 2: And you know what the young man told me. He says, well,
Speaker 2: when they run out, we just don't make it anymore.
Speaker 2: I said, So you're a twenty four hour McDonalds and
Speaker 2: just you won't have pies with like twelve hours out
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 3: This is your faults. This is your fault.
Speaker 2: You did this.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was you and my dad.
Speaker 1: I kept telling y'all Trump is okay in office, Like,
Speaker 1: we don't have to like him, but at least you
Speaker 1: know what you're getting.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna say Trump is a death pudding and
Speaker 2: waiting what he's a death but a potential despot. He's
Speaker 2: going to be a dictator.
Speaker 3: No, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: You and Charlottagne y'all put that level of fear out
Speaker 1: here to make people not vote for him, to believe
Speaker 1: that it's possible.
Speaker 2: No, that man is going to be a I'm telling you, man,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you he gets in office, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: bad for us. You couldn't hardly get the man out
Speaker 2: of the office when you lost last time.
Speaker 4: That's because no one would take a court case. He
Speaker 4: didn't do anything other than asterphile court cases, get denied
Speaker 4: by judges and walk out the door.
Speaker 3: That's all he did.
Speaker 2: You know what, man, Americas in sad shape.
Speaker 1: Because you put Biden in office and now we got
Speaker 1: twenty dollars.
Speaker 3: Why why your party to the problem. Yes, people like
Speaker 3: your mind your mine, No, your mind too.
Speaker 4: We don't like them any less.
Speaker 1: You guys did this shit because y'all saw them white
Speaker 1: people out in the Carolinas with them Walmore torches, Walmart torches,
Speaker 1: and thought they was the real thing and got your
Speaker 1: scary ass and.
Speaker 3: You put a real fuck up in office. This motherfucker.
Speaker 1: The fucking double cheeseburger was nineteen dollars and twenty three
Speaker 1: cent at dozen like a place like tams Oh call
Speaker 1: a double cheeseburger used to be eight dollars and twenty
Speaker 1: three cent because of steals. Fucking vote, the fucking fucking
Speaker 1: steals vote, a fucking double cheeseburger is nineteen dollars and
Speaker 1: twenty three cents. Fucking gas is seven dollars and twelve cent.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck is going on. And
Speaker 1: then you talking about this motherfucker that's in office.
Speaker 3: Look at what the fuck you did.
Speaker 4: The funniest thing about it is you think that Donald
Speaker 4: Trump's gonna be a dictator where you have a guy
Speaker 4: in office who's trying to send his opposition to prison,
Speaker 4: one one whose family comes from a group of people
Speaker 4: that all kind assassinated, who's he's referring to give them
Speaker 4: secret service protections.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you biting is terrible.
Speaker 3: I'm not done yet. Let this man make his point.
Speaker 4: You're you're concerned one guy's gonna be a dictator when
Speaker 4: the other is trying to send his two send his
Speaker 4: chief opposition to prison, his secondary opposition. He's not affording
Speaker 4: him the right to secret service protection. He's flaunting the
Speaker 4: Supreme Court making he is. He is making executive decisions
Speaker 4: that are not backed by law and that have been
Speaker 4: shot them by the court, and he's doing them anyway
Speaker 4: in spite of the Supreme Court. That's dictatorship.
Speaker 1: Like you and fucking the double cheese Barker's nineteen dollars
Speaker 1: and twenty three six. Only Hitler would have did some
Speaker 1: shit like this. Thank you, fucking Steele, Thank you for your.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you this right now, we in the
Speaker 2: world of hurt either way. No Trump's tyroneas once he
Speaker 2: getting off, get done with everything. You go see because
Speaker 2: it ain't gonna be no more cheeseburger stands. We gonnall
Speaker 2: be we gonna be ass up.
Speaker 4: He lives on cheeseburgers, that's all cheeseburgers.
Speaker 3: And dont coke.
Speaker 1: You cannot admit right now that the that the world
Speaker 1: was a little bit better for us when Trump was
Speaker 1: in office than it is right now. You can't really
Speaker 1: admit you know what it is you mother. First off,
Speaker 1: this is no silings gl my man, Peter. I got
Speaker 1: my big brother Steel. We got him in here because
Speaker 1: we want him to fucking admit he fucked up, fucked up.
Speaker 3: So what will show?
Speaker 1: No, this is not what we're doing, oh show, But
Speaker 1: we're gonna get this fucking off. You're going to fucking
Speaker 1: admit that your emotional fucking shit being hurt because you worried,
Speaker 1: Oh Trump hurt my feelings.
Speaker 3: It's white people who don't like me. Du they have
Speaker 3: the tiki torches.
Speaker 1: A fucking double cheeseburger combo is nineteen dollars and twenty
Speaker 1: three cents.
Speaker 4: We need to read to him the root of the
Speaker 4: definition of his hysteria. Happy to do with the uterus.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna tell you who I do like. I
Speaker 2: like Nicole Shanahan a lot.
Speaker 3: They're not going to win. You have to chill between
Speaker 3: Biden and Trump.
Speaker 4: She's a billionaire Marxists. She is the quintessential Bentley Bentley Bolshevik.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, man, I think they have a shot.
Speaker 3: They don't have a shot.
Speaker 2: It's gonna benefit Trump more than it's gonna benefit Biden.
Speaker 2: As long as I'll be honest with you, I rather
Speaker 2: have Trump in office than Biden.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's all I wanted.
Speaker 2: I don't rather have Trump. And now I've said that
Speaker 2: that was a very that was a mistake of ethic
Speaker 2: immense proportions.
Speaker 3: That's all I wanted, the truth, Undershook.
Speaker 2: Because I'm gonna tell you right now, man, our country
Speaker 2: is in shambles. Man. The dollar is going to ship.
Speaker 2: The dollar is taking the dump right now. Anytime you
Speaker 2: go to McDonald's, man, you My dad was just here
Speaker 2: a few days ago, gee, and we stopped her to
Speaker 2: make Donald's for breakfast on the way home. And I
Speaker 2: picked them up that morning and they and he said,
Speaker 2: I got it And he said forty dollars. He said
Speaker 2: for what did we buy? What do we Is this
Speaker 2: a mistake? I said, no, that's what it is.
Speaker 3: So fucking fuck you and that fucking Biden.
Speaker 1: Then I got the nerve to be a super predator,
Speaker 1: and the fucking double cheeseburgers nineteen dollars and twenty three cents.
Speaker 2: Why did you pay that much for a burger at.
Speaker 1: Doubles and you know paaramount doubles doubles for a burger
Speaker 1: just for a burger buy double cheeseburger combo was nineteen
Speaker 1: dollars and twenty three cents.
Speaker 2: What the problem is with that? The moment they said
Speaker 2: that all fast food workers have to get paid a
Speaker 2: minimum of twenty dollars an hour, that's what messed that up.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know whippers on they mind.
Speaker 2: That's some California shit too.
Speaker 3: But see in California problem.
Speaker 2: It is Trump was. If Trump was in office, he
Speaker 2: would with your burger. That's this motherfucking office out here.
Speaker 1: Hold up, hold up, not before we get on Gavin,
Speaker 1: Before we get on Gavin, Trump would have challenged his ass.
Speaker 2: I wish we need somebody because Gavin Newsom is like
Speaker 2: the worst government in the world. First of all, he's
Speaker 2: worried about everywhere else. He's so worried about changing George's
Speaker 2: gun laws that he can't manage his own state.
Speaker 4: That's what he has to do. He has to divert
Speaker 4: and deflect.
Speaker 1: Well, the best thing about him is he trying to
Speaker 1: get all you poor coons up out of here and
Speaker 1: replace y'all with Hispanic people who will work.
Speaker 3: Well, he got one of the multiple family right e.
Speaker 2: Hispanic people next summer, Next summer, I am gone, yep.
Speaker 3: And then it's just rich people they getting you out.
Speaker 2: Well, yours had to go to because I'm serious, I
Speaker 2: don't see where Glasses Malone fits in this new world
Speaker 2: out here.
Speaker 3: I'm rich, are you yeah, I'm rich.
Speaker 2: Shoot me a few doubts over here.
Speaker 4: Then you wait till, wait till the state Wealth tax
Speaker 4: comes calling for Glasses alone.
Speaker 2: Already? Oh nothing, text, they send me letters every other day, nog.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you, I'm getting out this motherfucker dog.
Speaker 2: I'm getting out of here. California is done for you.
Speaker 2: We don't nobody need to be out here. California the
Speaker 2: worst state in the Union.
Speaker 1: No, this is okay, I'm not gonna go that far,
Speaker 1: but it is pretty crazy.
Speaker 4: It is the only compar be what like.
Speaker 3: Vermont, New York is pretty bad.
Speaker 2: Homeless people and you know what, they're giving homeless people
Speaker 2: chacks to come out here. That's why you got motherfuckers
Speaker 2: coming from Idaho, from Iowa, from everywhere else is making
Speaker 2: a pilgrimage out west.
Speaker 4: You know what's happening. You know how like the funding
Speaker 4: for public education is based off of the number of
Speaker 4: students in each class. That's what's happening with the homeless.
Speaker 4: The funding to help the homeless is based off of
Speaker 4: the amount of homeless. So they keep just increased the
Speaker 4: amount of homeless to keep the amount of funding for
Speaker 4: homeless always on the upper trajectory.
Speaker 2: Shit, man, it's like I feel like I'm living in
Speaker 2: a black mirror episode now it is.
Speaker 1: It is, So let's let's get to uh ship, Let's
Speaker 1: get to ship. I had a thought. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was talking about Donald Trump, so rulers who people fear
Speaker 1: and get a bad rap. Donald Trump is definitely a
Speaker 1: president that that got a bad rap, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong. He's some shit and and he
Speaker 3: definitely doesn't walk with the esteem we were like the
Speaker 3: the front man of the United States of America to
Speaker 3: walk with. But what I enjoyed about him is he
Speaker 3: was a man of the people. Like he was tweeting
Speaker 3: from an android. Like when he talked, he cracked jokes.
Speaker 1: He was like, it's funny because I used to see
Speaker 1: so many people upset with him on Twitter, like why
Speaker 1: is a president on Twitter? Why are you on Twitter?
Speaker 1: Every I always like my presidents still to be men
Speaker 1: of the people.
Speaker 3: That's what I like.
Speaker 1: You know, my three favorite presidents right is Lincoln, Jackson,
Speaker 1: and Trump. You know what, I like those three presidents
Speaker 1: the best for because they was men of the people.
Speaker 2: A Lincoln who Lincoln was the man of the people.
Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, he was right, motherfucker's back. That was That
Speaker 1: was all right, all right, that's cool.
Speaker 3: I mean he wasn't. He wasn't the arner. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: but but also he wasn't the people.
Speaker 1: Ain't our people? We talking about white people. We talking
Speaker 1: about peak people, not well, not peat people because theyre familiar.
Speaker 1: Were talking about regular white people. Nobody's a man of
Speaker 1: black people. Why the hell would you be a man
Speaker 1: of black people as a president if Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: I'd never be president, because I'd be a man of
Speaker 1: black people. And now that ain't gonna do good with
Speaker 1: the That's like, you have nine daughters and one son
Speaker 1: and you keep buying shit for boys. I know that fuck,
Speaker 1: but it's like just you ca' just son. You could
Speaker 1: wear the skirt that fugg No. But I think Trump
Speaker 1: takes a bad rap as a president. I don't think
Speaker 1: he was the greatest president, but I think he was
Speaker 1: very much the perfect indication of where America was socially,
Speaker 1: Like he represented it perfect at that time.
Speaker 3: Then you get the presidents like like, shout out.
Speaker 1: To Obama, He's the president of where America wants to go.
Speaker 1: So Obama would look like a fantastic president in ten
Speaker 1: years from now. Like in ten years, Obama gonna look
Speaker 1: like the best thing that happened to America. Biden is
Speaker 1: like a president like, uh, the worst.
Speaker 2: I would put him in fucking Nixon Nixon right right together.
Speaker 2: Him and Nixon the worst two motherfuckers able to run
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 4: Nixon wasn't a bad prob thing.
Speaker 3: This was a bad president, just a dirty president.
Speaker 4: He just yeah, he just sleazy. He didn't do a
Speaker 4: lot of bad A lot of bad shit happened.
Speaker 2: At the time.
Speaker 3: And Biden is just old, you know what.
Speaker 4: I think This illustrates the dichotomy between Trump and Biden's presidencies. Sure,
Speaker 4: Trump went into office believing that the presidency was what
Speaker 4: we think it is, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: he wouldn't like Trump would have been a very impactful
Speaker 4: president in nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 3: I agree that.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny, somebody asked me that and they said, well,
Speaker 1: you don't think Trump is a is a president of
Speaker 1: the past. I'm like, no, Trump is a fundamental type
Speaker 1: of president. Everything constitutional. President Biden is what America was like.
Speaker 1: He should have his ideas would have fixed America eighty
Speaker 1: years ago, seven years ago, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: these ideas would be cool seven years ago, when he
Speaker 1: could have took minimum wage from I don't know, thirty
Speaker 1: eight sent to adopt today that shit.
Speaker 3: Don't That's just not smart.
Speaker 4: And I think the issue also is he thought, well, I,
Speaker 4: as the president, could come in here and I'm in
Speaker 4: charge of the executive branch.
Speaker 3: And that's not quite so true. Sure, and not based
Speaker 3: on the constitution.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean based on the there's the Constitution, and
Speaker 4: then there's a bazillion laws after the Constitution that all
Speaker 4: should fight out in court. And your term is only
Speaker 4: so long, you know, so all everything he tried to
Speaker 4: do got bogged down in court for the whole duration.
Speaker 3: Of the term.
Speaker 4: And Biden is a perfect illustration of what the presidency
Speaker 4: actually is Biden's not like seriously, he's he is as
Speaker 4: much the acting leader of this country as this bottle
Speaker 4: of lemonade is.
Speaker 3: He's he's purely a god figure.
Speaker 4: So yeah, he's a figurehead while a million plus manned
Speaker 4: fourth bureaucratic branch of government runs everything autonomously without having
Speaker 4: to be bothered by a transient guy who's here on
Speaker 4: a four year contract.
Speaker 1: H I could respect that, but I do, But I
Speaker 1: do think Trump gets a bad rap as a president,
Speaker 1: but as a ruler, right, as a front man and
Speaker 1: in front of a company, the company that's united, stay
Speaker 1: is in America, Sug I think gets the bad rap
Speaker 1: as well. Right, Sug was probably one of the greatest
Speaker 1: black execs in the history of all black music.
Speaker 3: Right, Like.
Speaker 1: You wasn't gonna stay in jail if you are a
Speaker 1: Sug artist, Right you you got a monthly stipend even
Speaker 1: when you for sure had ran out of rooties based
Speaker 1: off the contract you signed. Like, right, you still was
Speaker 1: gonna get a monthly stipen he financed, Like I listen
Speaker 1: to people tell the story of Shug right and they'll say, oh, man, well,
Speaker 1: all of the stuff was in Sug Night name. All
Speaker 1: of the the house was in sug Night name, the
Speaker 1: cars was in sug Night name.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: And I was trying to explain it to somebody, like that
Speaker 1: means you get a free monthly stipend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that means.
Speaker 1: I don't have to pay for my car like I
Speaker 1: wish Birdman paid for my house and my cars, that
Speaker 1: you're gonna put them in cash money fucking name the
Speaker 1: whole fucking time. I don't fucking care. The fuck cares,
Speaker 1: who the fuck cares? Guess what that means. The day
Speaker 1: I'm tired of it, I can just walk away. That
Speaker 1: means I can save all of my stipend money and
Speaker 1: I have free money.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, you know what. Man should definitely get
Speaker 2: some bad rep when I set up here and hear
Speaker 2: these artists talk about them, because the irony of it is,
Speaker 2: these guys all went over there and seigned contracts. A
Speaker 2: lot of them sold. They publishing that they're trying to
Speaker 2: get back now, and I'm like, you sold it, Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it should. It should be in perpetuity.
Speaker 1: It's not in perpetuity, right, It's nothing perpectuity.
Speaker 2: What do you do you think about it like this,
Speaker 2: Let's say we do a business deal. You come to
Speaker 2: me and say, still, you know what, I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: you two fifty for your publishing because it's a co
Speaker 2: pub deal. He didn't take all the published, He just
Speaker 2: took a percentage of it.
Speaker 1: Right, it's illegal to write shout out to my big brother.
Speaker 1: Still big brother still ran a wing of a publishing
Speaker 1: department for a few years, so he understands publishing a
Speaker 1: lot more than me, and definitely a lot more than Pete.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what it deal was, bro. When you
Speaker 2: sign a publishing deal with someone, if you sign a
Speaker 2: co pub deal, that means that they're usually getting, you know,
Speaker 2: thirty to fifty percent of your half. Right. You can't
Speaker 2: sign nobody in perpetuity. You can't sign to them for whatever.
Speaker 2: So I'm pretty sure it shoulg may have had maybe
Speaker 2: twenty thirty years on that stuff, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: depends on how much money he gave them and what
Speaker 2: they signed. But they signed for it though, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: They signed for it. I don't think should put a
Speaker 2: bullet most and most of these people came to Shug
Speaker 2: asking for that because they need the money.
Speaker 1: So I think sug As an executive, gets a really
Speaker 1: bad rap. Don't get me wrong, I think he did
Speaker 1: some shit like any motherfucking body that pretty much everybody
Speaker 1: obviously were looking at Puff now.
Speaker 3: But I've always said I thought, Pops get a bad rap.
Speaker 1: And what fucks me up is it all really comes
Speaker 1: down The one thing that I feel like we can
Speaker 1: actually have a fair discussion is the decision, the most
Speaker 1: important decision that ever happened to death Row, the decision
Speaker 1: of do I focus on Pop or do I fix
Speaker 1: in repair the relationship with doctor Dre at all costs Pop,
Speaker 1: who is blossoming inside of what's going on to death Row,
Speaker 1: the whole you know, the whole element, the street element,
Speaker 1: pack is blossoming inside of it. I mean, he's flourishing,
Speaker 1: He's becoming obviously at this point, the biggest and greatest
Speaker 1: art in the world. You know, if you look to
Speaker 1: all eyes on me, it actually took his career to
Speaker 1: a final level. It interjected him with a level to me,
Speaker 1: a street that might have been missing previously before. Even
Speaker 1: though he had street records, it was a different element
Speaker 1: having that death Row energy around him. Right, and then
Speaker 1: doctor dre hold on Doctor dre who was kind of
Speaker 1: like revoting against where the energy was going.
Speaker 2: Well, you gotta remember, Bro, prior to death row Puk
Speaker 2: was more of a more of a radical, more of
Speaker 2: a pro black radical. You feel what I'm saying. The
Speaker 2: shout out to Chuck d You know, he talked about
Speaker 2: the struggle, which was fine, which you know had a
Speaker 2: certain level of danger to it as well, you know
Speaker 2: what Chuck d D. Yeah, I think definitely when he
Speaker 2: came to death row Man it started turning more. Punk
Speaker 2: was a sponge. He absorbed whoever was around him.
Speaker 3: He was a kid. He's twenty some years old, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, And I think we forget about how young he
Speaker 2: was when he passed away. He definitely, you know, made mistakes, man.
Speaker 2: I still don't think those mistakes take away from him
Speaker 2: being one of the greatest poets of our time.
Speaker 3: I mean, did he really make mistakes?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, he did stuff that young people do.
Speaker 2: I think he follows some wrong people. You know, he
Speaker 2: put his hands on the wrong man that ultimately costs
Speaker 2: him his life.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I would even consider that
Speaker 1: a mistake. If you saying somebody is your friend and
Speaker 1: you standing up for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he should have been involved in that shit.
Speaker 3: It depends still if y'all friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still he is an asset at that time,
Speaker 2: he's an artist. I wouldn't have my artists out there
Speaker 2: fighting for no fucking body.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's about your artist. First off, nigga,
Speaker 1: nobody is your slave.
Speaker 2: You can't by your slave. But I would have fired
Speaker 2: every last one of them. Dudes. They over there allowed
Speaker 2: him to go over there and punk as soon as
Speaker 2: he got the wall, especially him knowing that man's reputation.
Speaker 2: As soon as he the one that did that out
Speaker 2: put him in the foot. Nelson drugs ass back over
Speaker 2: there said, look, dudes, you was about to call some
Speaker 2: major ship because I'm gonna tell you this gen had
Speaker 2: that been bunchry and all of them to jump on
Speaker 2: that dude, this is a part of the game that
Speaker 2: would have wait until they got back to Compton. It
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been all that that night, sure, but because
Speaker 2: it was Tupac, I'm pretty sure that we discussed this.
Speaker 2: That guy said, man, because you know what, it's embarrassing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: by the time to get back to La Man. You
Speaker 2: know Tupac put hands on a HAMMYE.
Speaker 3: Sure, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 2: He man, I can't you know? You had to writing
Speaker 2: the song, bro, So.
Speaker 3: This should make an incorrect decision.
Speaker 1: If we could say it's about the decision, right, pt
Speaker 1: he made the wrong decision?
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Oh, he definitely made it wrong. You I
Speaker 2: told you that early. You always stick with the producer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but nobody ever sticks with the producer.
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of time also, the producers
Speaker 4: are a little harder to retain.
Speaker 3: Why you Why do you feel that harder to retain?
Speaker 4: Because at some point in time, the prisoner has to
Speaker 4: realize their own value and their capacity to spin off
Speaker 4: to the into their own direction.
Speaker 3: It's easier than an artist.
Speaker 2: Well, ultimately, Drake had a reputation. Every person that dra
Speaker 2: was with prior to Shug, he left, He walked away from.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let me ask let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3: Let me ask the question how long she?
Speaker 2: Let me just show you the pattern. He was with Lorenzo,
Speaker 2: He walked away from Lorenzo, went over there with Easy,
Speaker 2: with Easy, he left Easy and went to Shug, left
Speaker 2: Sug and went to Jimmy. You know, there's nowhere to
Speaker 2: go after this. He's at you. Feel what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: he's where you want to be, I guess, And I'm
Speaker 2: not mad at that. I'm just speaking facts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying it's also because it's a certain
Speaker 1: level of value, like why wouldn't Okay, so if your
Speaker 1: should night now, Dre's coming to you. Let's say hypothetically, Dre's.
Speaker 3: Coming to you.
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, man, I don't like the direction of
Speaker 1: death Row, but y'all riding high. Still, y'all are riding high,
Speaker 1: right you? You you're coming off of a triple platinum
Speaker 1: album in the chronic or double platinum album at the time.
Speaker 1: You're coming off the greatest album in hip hop, the
Speaker 1: most successful you know.
Speaker 3: Album and hip hop.
Speaker 1: You know, Boring beastis Hammer, you know, maybe a Vanilla
Speaker 1: I some stuff that that that that is being marketed
Speaker 1: more novelty.
Speaker 3: Versus just the streets.
Speaker 2: Right you?
Speaker 1: You coming off that, You're coming off all these soundtracks
Speaker 1: and you're loading up Tupac, who looks like you have
Speaker 1: an album that's going to be one of the greatest
Speaker 1: hip hop albums. Ever, how do you pull back? How
Speaker 1: do you say? What's your decision at that point. Now
Speaker 1: you got pocmatic Dre, like, hey, Dre is blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: How do you deal with this if you should? What
Speaker 1: if the energy is coming out? How do you what
Speaker 1: do you do to make Dre happy at that point?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if there's anything you can do.
Speaker 2: And it's a lot of other mitigating factors to this thing,
Speaker 2: because you got to remember, he was messing with the
Speaker 2: man's baby mama too.
Speaker 3: Pay He's a perfect example, you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So it was just a lot of shit that was
Speaker 2: really man with all the genius that should was, he
Speaker 2: made mistakes. He was a human being, sure.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he I don't know if
Speaker 1: he made mistakes again versus making decisions. It's easy to
Speaker 1: say right now, we you know, we in today's time,
Speaker 1: we're in twenty twenty four saying you know, pop's fucked up?
Speaker 1: Back then, you feel me that's not really fair because
Speaker 1: it's like everything is going correctly. He now has the
Speaker 1: biggest hip hop label not named Deaf Jam in the
Speaker 1: music business. They didn't already sold roughly you know, ten
Speaker 1: twelve million albums with Pac in the Q pock is
Speaker 1: in the Q and they just sold you know, somewhere
Speaker 1: between seven and ten million albums or something like that.
Speaker 1: With Pac in the Q, he's in the Q. He
Speaker 1: ain't even they ain't even shot the gun yet he's
Speaker 1: in the Q. They he's at the top of the clip.
Speaker 2: And think about this ge. You know, you're talking about
Speaker 2: their numbers. Let's talk about Coach Ro impact exactly. Because
Speaker 2: there were a lot of companies, you know, like Bad Boys,
Speaker 2: sold some good records, but they didn't have the coach
Speaker 2: real impact that Differro had.
Speaker 1: But I don't even know if bad Boy bad Boy
Speaker 1: had an album that sold three million and then another
Speaker 1: album that sold four or five million, like dogs.
Speaker 2: About it, I don't think they sold as many as
Speaker 2: different did. They sold some records though.
Speaker 1: A lot of records. But I'm saying, how do it's
Speaker 1: easy for us. Let's go back in that time, Pete,
Speaker 1: Let's go back in that time. You just sold you
Speaker 1: coming off the Chronic doing two or three million, You're
Speaker 1: coming off Doggy Style doing triple to five million. You're
Speaker 1: coming off multiple platinum and double platinum soundtracks. Murder was
Speaker 1: the case? Was that double platinum? So that's roughly, you know,
Speaker 1: ten million records. Then you got a couple soundtracks that's
Speaker 1: doing incredible. You got the Dog Pound album that just
Speaker 1: went double platinum. So you you know, we're talking about
Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety five, ninety six.
Speaker 1: I mean before Tupac you already you know twelve million plus.
Speaker 3: How is he making mistakes? Now?
Speaker 2: He even made two many mistakes now as far as being
Speaker 2: the CEO.
Speaker 1: Now I'm asking you like, how do you please Okay,
Speaker 1: let's say Drake, Okay, okay, for sure, you back up.
Speaker 1: You don't knock down Michelle, right, you leave Michelle alone.
Speaker 1: That's not it's off limits because Doctor Dre is the
Speaker 1: most important thing at this record label, more important than Snoop,
Speaker 1: more important than Tupac, because Doctor Dre is the reason
Speaker 1: we get Snoop Dogg and Tupac at this level, at
Speaker 1: this level.
Speaker 3: Because I'm sure sure Tupac would it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Sug would have been I mean, Snoop would
Speaker 1: have been successful with anybody. You know, how successful is different,
Speaker 1: but he would have been successful. If Hutch did his out,
Speaker 1: he probably would have went go because he was that
Speaker 1: type of talent.
Speaker 3: And Poc was already successful before death Row.
Speaker 1: But doctor Dre's version of both artists are the versions
Speaker 1: of the artists that we remember the most. Right, So
Speaker 1: the sug branded version of Snoop Dogg and the sug
Speaker 1: branded version of Tupac. Right where those brands fit with
Speaker 1: death Row wanted to push and then the music that
Speaker 1: doctor Dre allowed to come out and cultivated, you know,
Speaker 1: through mixing and whatever else stuff he touched on. Right,
Speaker 1: we get the greatest versions of these artists. If you
Speaker 1: shug what if Dre Dre's complaining to you, He like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I don't like the direction this gangs and shit is going.
Speaker 1: How do you make a different choice besides going with pop?
Speaker 1: Like what do you do differently?
Speaker 3: Like? What this baby?
Speaker 1: How does bird Man? How the Stunner keep shout out
Speaker 1: to Stunnard? But how the stunner keep Maddy fresh happen?
Speaker 1: Do you just give him the company? Do you say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what?
Speaker 2: You know what I think with that? See, Dre's sting
Speaker 2: wasn't money. Manny's thing was money. Many wanted more money.
Speaker 1: I'm said regardless, right, I mean, we could go through
Speaker 1: the hit men, we could go through beasts by the pound.
Speaker 2: I think you pay these motherfuckers. You have to to
Speaker 2: within a reason, you feel what I'm saying, because these
Speaker 2: guys are the backbone if you think about it. Bro
Speaker 2: when Beasts by the Pound left and I love master
Speaker 2: P and everything he's staying for, but that it was
Speaker 2: over with at that point. They did still no more
Speaker 2: records after that. Baby one thing the Baby's credit. He
Speaker 2: always was able to do. Baby always had somebody in Q.
Speaker 2: But I don't think I think Baby had Wayne, and
Speaker 2: he was able to put the whole company.
Speaker 3: On young and young money.
Speaker 1: And because if you think about it, if you think,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, cash money maybe didn't break
Speaker 1: any more artists after Manny Fresh left up, every young
Speaker 1: money begins to break all that acts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all young money.
Speaker 1: And again that you're right that that's a great point
Speaker 1: because what did Birdman do to keep little Wayne around.
Speaker 3: He gave him the company.
Speaker 2: He gave him the company and then you know, and
Speaker 2: that's like the only one though, But you know what,
Speaker 2: though he was even he wasn't even no longer to
Speaker 2: say that he had to give. You know, we went
Speaker 2: to the whole thing where Wayne was like, I want
Speaker 2: my money.
Speaker 1: Well, that was after Yeah, that and that's a little
Speaker 1: bit more complex because and I don't think you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm gonna say this, I don't think that was
Speaker 2: all bird necessarily because when Wayne did get his money,
Speaker 2: he came from universe.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's the only person who could pay him.
Speaker 1: I mean, it ain't like Listen, the belief is they're
Speaker 1: giving should Knight like people think should Knight had a
Speaker 1: bank account with one hundred million dollars or should Knight
Speaker 1: had a bank account with thirty million dollars?
Speaker 2: That is the case the stife, and it was a
Speaker 2: you know what it sounded like to me, it sounded
Speaker 2: like it was just a really grand stipend every month
Speaker 2: to whar you got so much money every month and
Speaker 2: you got everybody often you've got to you know, wait
Speaker 2: for that. Let's say they was giving Shugar half a million,
Speaker 2: a million dollars a month.
Speaker 3: I heard it was a lot closer to a million
Speaker 3: dollars a month.
Speaker 2: And the hey day, you know, he getting a million
Speaker 2: dollars a month, which is you know what it is, right,
Speaker 2: and they putting his records out and everything. It's not
Speaker 2: a bad It's definitely not a bad deal.
Speaker 1: Well, you gotta you gotta pay Drake, right, So what
Speaker 1: does Drake get one hundred two hundred some thousand a month?
Speaker 1: What do you pay slew seventy to one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: a month? What you paying a dog pack? What are
Speaker 1: you paying your studio?
Speaker 3: Bit?
Speaker 1: What you're paying for? What's the studio they was working at?
Speaker 3: Can What are you.
Speaker 1: Paying KNM at that time when it's twenty five hundred
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars days.
Speaker 2: Well, when you think about it, they had to recoup
Speaker 2: against all those albums, right, you know you got the
Speaker 2: prison coast back then and see this area they you
Speaker 2: know when people talk about the good old days and
Speaker 2: see these preston could be expensive sometimes, you.
Speaker 3: Know what, I got to do a power with Shug Man.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because I want to talk to Shug
Speaker 1: for real, Like I don't want to talk to Shug
Speaker 1: about none of this bullshit everybody talk to him about.
Speaker 3: I really want to.
Speaker 1: Talk to him about how the business was really going,
Speaker 1: Like I would love to have a real conversation with him.
Speaker 1: I would love to have a real conversation with him
Speaker 1: about how that business is doing.
Speaker 2: You know, we know I know how to get in
Speaker 2: touch with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure and we know, uh day, So Shug
Speaker 3: just did didn't he just do like Patrick Beth David
Speaker 3: or something like that, Like.
Speaker 2: Well, we don't even we can get the shoes directly
Speaker 2: without talking to that dude.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, but I'm saying, yeah, but I don't see.
Speaker 1: To me, everybody wastes excuse me, everybody wastes time with Shug.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 4: They want to hear the same stupid story over and
Speaker 4: over and over again.
Speaker 1: This gossip, this, this gossip, that, this about gossip. I
Speaker 1: want to talk to him about how he structured the
Speaker 1: business with Jimmy at that time.
Speaker 4: Sure, I'll be very compelling.
Speaker 2: Yeah he had you know what, it's not a bad
Speaker 2: It wasn't a bad deal because I'm gonna tell you, man,
Speaker 2: that was the heyday. Man. He was really great, bro,
Speaker 2: And I hate that his legacy is always gonna be
Speaker 2: defined about, you know, from the bullshit. You know, yeah
Speaker 2: what you good?
Speaker 4: That's that's part of what made it so popular though,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, mm hmm, like if if
Speaker 4: you were at a square shop.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say it made I think it made
Speaker 2: him polarizing, though it made him like he had definitely
Speaker 2: had a mystique around him.
Speaker 4: There was, but there's there's value in that mystique. Am
Speaker 4: I saying without value?
Speaker 2: Should only this ship? The motherfuckers really did deserve it.
Speaker 2: Shug was one of it. Should is one of the
Speaker 2: coolest motherfuckers you ever want to meet.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: He's funny. You're like, I've never feel threatened being around Shugar.
Speaker 2: He was always just like a dude that was cool.
Speaker 2: He like, you see, to be honest with you, and
Speaker 2: you know, he just didn't everybody that Sugar did something
Speaker 2: too in some manner away cross gangs. What they don't
Speaker 2: talk about. They don't talk about the people that called
Speaker 2: Sugar two in the morning he shug, my mama about
Speaker 2: to lose her house. I need this come up to
Speaker 2: they check tomorrow, pick up seventy five thousand. No, I
Speaker 2: got you back. They don't talk about that. Most of
Speaker 2: them people didn't want to pay him back his money.
Speaker 1: What's crazy is I think people are not really gonna
Speaker 1: give him his credit to theday dies.
Speaker 3: Sure, you know what I'm saying. I think that's what's
Speaker 3: gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So again about that decision, So we all agree that
Speaker 1: he should have chose doctor Dre. Whatever it took to
Speaker 1: make doctor Dre happy, that was a correct decision. But
Speaker 1: what if what if you you what if Pac looked
Speaker 1: at that as weaknesses, right, as a weakness. Pac is
Speaker 1: getting out of prison, right, He's gassed up, he's fired.
Speaker 3: Up, he's pumped up, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean he he ready to go to war and
Speaker 1: Dre is like, YO were not going to war.
Speaker 2: I think Pap wouldn't have had no choice but to
Speaker 2: sit back and just to come enjoy the show. What
Speaker 2: is he gonna do?
Speaker 4: He can't builds into this conversation.
Speaker 2: He's on the contract though, you feel what I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like where can he go? And then the thing else,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, one of the things like to him,
Speaker 2: Pac was planning to leave that forro. He wanted to
Speaker 2: leave that for right. See that's the thing about these
Speaker 2: ungrateful ass artists. Man, you get motherfuckers out of jail
Speaker 2: and all this shit, then they want to leave you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't think honestly like Pac. You can
Speaker 4: say what you want, like let's say, but let's do
Speaker 4: a hypothetical based on poking every shot.
Speaker 3: I think he was.
Speaker 4: A bottle rocket career to trajectory that then three years
Speaker 4: was gonna be back in film. It's sam wrong. He
Speaker 4: had a few hot albums in them and it was
Speaker 4: gonna be back in film.
Speaker 1: I've said multiple times, I think if Park is alive mcavelly,
Speaker 1: if mcavelly is an album, it'sconsidered a it's considered a flop,
Speaker 1: like like the way people mistreat dog Father. You know,
Speaker 1: you come back with two number one album. You know,
Speaker 1: you come back off an album that got two number
Speaker 1: one singles all these blockbuster songs to an album that's
Speaker 1: more of a thematic album that doesn't have, you know,
Speaker 1: really big records. I think he takes a lot of criticism,
Speaker 1: kind of like Kendrick took with Mister Morale after Damn,
Speaker 1: where people felt like, oh they ain't you know that.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of you know, criticism to the
Speaker 1: success of that album because it's coming off of Damn.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I see, you know what I
Speaker 2: see the mcavillia al Mans. I see that as a
Speaker 2: almost like a mixtape kind of.
Speaker 3: I think they said that was the idea for it.
Speaker 2: I think I definitely think if he wouldn't have died,
Speaker 2: they would have just something that was feeding the streets
Speaker 2: with because that's what it sounded like. It wasn't. I
Speaker 2: actually enjoyed an album because it sound.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite Tupac album. But I also understood that
Speaker 1: him passing away and and and the climbing at that
Speaker 1: time made it a million times more enjoyable. Then it
Speaker 1: went from being just music because it's it's always more
Speaker 1: than just music, and it's a lot of culture. But
Speaker 1: that album, the music almost didn't matter because it was
Speaker 1: like we thought it was our last.
Speaker 3: Offering from him.
Speaker 2: Was a hit record.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, and no a hit record, yes, but
Speaker 1: not a hit record compared to California Love No.
Speaker 3: But how do you want it California?
Speaker 2: Because you got to remember he took this pro West
Speaker 2: coach Fance and he made and you know, especially when
Speaker 2: he said it wouldn't be La without the Mexicans, you
Speaker 2: can tell he was really just prime embraced La with
Speaker 2: that song. So I think it served as purpose.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think he Again, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: it doesn't have successful cuts on there. I'm saying compared
Speaker 1: to this last compared to coming off of all lies
Speaker 1: on Me that had you feel what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying all lies on Me and even that, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell you what that if they would have made that
Speaker 2: just one album. Gee, don't get me wrong. I enjoyed
Speaker 2: the cuts, but if they just took all the song
Speaker 2: songs and made just one thirteen fourteen song disc, it
Speaker 2: would have been one of the best rap albums in
Speaker 2: the history of hip hop.
Speaker 3: It is already even with the two discs it is.
Speaker 2: I just think that Motherfucker is a jam and ass album.
Speaker 1: Though, So where does pop go without Johnny Jan and
Speaker 1: Doctor Drayden? How does Pac make another successful big album?
Speaker 2: You know what, I don't think Pak needed Doctor Dre
Speaker 2: as crazy as that sound. I think he already.
Speaker 3: Had his guy Wow, but he lost Johnny J.
Speaker 2: I think he could have you know, you think about it, bro,
Speaker 2: who couldn't have produced for Tupac Doog?
Speaker 1: Obviously the people who did the next album because they
Speaker 1: didn't have none of the ship. Remember the two singles
Speaker 1: off of All Lines on Me is Doctor Dre and
Speaker 1: Johnny J.
Speaker 2: But Drake had. But what the fuck am I saying
Speaker 2: Drake for.
Speaker 3: Beginning is that he just got his ass whooped.
Speaker 1: And you remember that I remember was one of the
Speaker 1: greatest whoopings in the history of hip hop.
Speaker 2: Those were Drey's records that he gave Tupac Right. Sure,
Speaker 2: from what I understand, those of his records that he
Speaker 2: gave him Pod had hits prior to that, though, prior
Speaker 2: to him coming to Death Row.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he didn't have hits, but I'm saying,
Speaker 1: without Johnny j Right, without doctor Dre your signed to
Speaker 1: death Row, where do you get these smashes from?
Speaker 3: Mmmm?
Speaker 2: That's a deep question, man, I don't know. I agree,
Speaker 2: go back to this other.
Speaker 1: Ship, but at death Row, right, because remember so the
Speaker 1: person who did dear that was a smash shot G.
Speaker 1: I don't think SHAHG was participating in the death ro
Speaker 1: shit SHOTG had some on California.
Speaker 3: I'm all eyes on me.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: Did Shock have one on there? No, you know what
Speaker 3: he did.
Speaker 2: And I know Bobcat had one on there, because you
Speaker 2: gotta remember priors to that, Bobcat did strictly for my niggas.
Speaker 2: That was him and pulling them.
Speaker 3: And then Shock did I get around and shad so
Speaker 3: many tears?
Speaker 2: Maybe you get the boogeymen back together, Maybe you get
Speaker 2: pool a combination of when they most deadly at their best.
Speaker 2: You know, you got Bob on the drums, Pooh on
Speaker 2: the motherfucking but the music, and you could Muffler and
Speaker 2: all them. Maybe he could have pulled some shit out.
Speaker 2: Those are very formidable producers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but remember they wouldn't. They wasn't getting back together.
Speaker 1: Remember at this point Pool is doing Snoops project, which
Speaker 1: is The dog Father.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and which The dog Father gets a lot of
Speaker 2: dishtain that you shouldn't get. The dog Father wasn't a
Speaker 2: bad album. I don't know why people like justif you.
Speaker 4: Go from a thirteen on a scale of one to
Speaker 4: ten to an eight, it's a what a massive off.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, me being on both sides of
Speaker 2: the coin creating albums like The Crime Can, The Chrimic
Speaker 2: and Dog Doggy Style, those are those albums are anomalies.
Speaker 3: You may get one of those, not for Doctor dre
Speaker 3: or not.
Speaker 2: But Doctor Drake can't think of him one out. He
Speaker 2: can't think. That's his problem though, he can't think of
Speaker 2: none the top that ship.
Speaker 4: He's fifty five years old, sixty years old.
Speaker 3: Sixty years old.
Speaker 2: It don't matter, dog he could matter.
Speaker 3: The fuck is getting ship at sixty.
Speaker 4: It matters in this business tremendously. But look at how large.
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe I could be wrong. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I thought he did a lot of the first eminem shit,
Speaker 4: in the first fifty shit, and the game shit, and
Speaker 4: and Snoop's comeback ship.
Speaker 2: Drake chasing his own ghost. Dude, he's a he has
Speaker 2: a very unenviable task. Bro. I wouldn't want to be
Speaker 2: in that position to try to chase that shit thog.
Speaker 1: I agree, I don't that, but I don't think Dre
Speaker 1: is chasing anything. I just think dre goal is to
Speaker 1: not make a bad album.
Speaker 2: Much, and I think honestly he didn't want to. Cock
Speaker 2: was seasoned enough to where you gotta remember when Drake
Speaker 2: left Snoop, Snoop was still kind of like almost even
Speaker 2: though he was a mega star, he was kind of
Speaker 2: stealing developmental stage. He wasn't who he became. Yet you
Speaker 2: feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's where I was gonna go. I feel like this
Speaker 4: question largely hinges the most off of does a restructuring
Speaker 4: of Death Row around a doctor dre paradigm keep Snoop there?
Speaker 4: And if that's the case, then this is not even
Speaker 4: a discussion.
Speaker 2: Well they got really Snoop. You gotta remember, Snoop didn't
Speaker 2: going no where. They dropped Snoop.
Speaker 3: Well, they didn't drop him, they sold him.
Speaker 2: They but pretty much.
Speaker 4: Because he wanted out of there after the court cases that.
Speaker 2: It was, they thought it was over with. They thought
Speaker 2: he was over after what's his name.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true.
Speaker 1: I think they just came to a bad situation where
Speaker 1: remember Sugar end up going to jail. It just was
Speaker 1: a bad situation, especially especially for Sug because you lose
Speaker 1: Sug if you Snoop Dogg, you lose Sug and you
Speaker 1: lose doctor Dre Like this is how you walk. So
Speaker 1: there's no d OC you know who who have joined
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And Dads is still a baby.
Speaker 1: Dads is still working on becoming a producer that that
Speaker 1: we like, you know, that's still two three years away.
Speaker 2: It's hard, bro. You gotta think about it, man, think
Speaker 2: about it like this right, Snoop is still in developmental stages.
Speaker 2: Poc W was season. You know, Pac was already three
Speaker 2: or four hours in already by the time he came
Speaker 2: to death. Bro, I'm pretty sure they would have found
Speaker 2: somebody to, he'd still probably made SMIT records, you feel
Speaker 2: what I mean, either made some MIT records.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: The dude knew how to write records. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. He knew how to make records, not seeing
Speaker 2: that Snoop didn't. But Snoop had a lot of help
Speaker 2: at first in he was a kid, you know, and
Speaker 2: you know what else to come in this game. You're
Speaker 2: figuring stuff out.
Speaker 3: Man, I know better than everybody.
Speaker 2: You feel what I'm saying. He would have found somebody, bro.
Speaker 2: I definitely think that. I definitely think though, I would
Speaker 2: have kept rocking with Dre because outd have told at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, you know, pock you in
Speaker 2: the contract, shut the fuck up. It sounds good that
Speaker 2: you want to leave, but you ain't going no damn where.
Speaker 3: Hm hmm.
Speaker 2: Sounds I used to spend all his money to get
Speaker 2: your ass out of jail. You're not going nowhere. You
Speaker 2: go stay over here and we go down on this business. Drey,
Speaker 2: go in there and do what you do. First of all,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you this, man. Yeah, it's funny when
Speaker 2: when it's funny when you think back on it, man,
Speaker 2: because all of this stuff Jimmy wins all the time.
Speaker 2: It's almost like it's almost like none of this impacts
Speaker 2: him anyway, where the house always wins. Jimmy is not
Speaker 2: over enter scope. Nowhere is he gen.
Speaker 3: I think he had Apple or if he even in music,
Speaker 3: he was a Apple last time I heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when you think about it, right, when you
Speaker 2: think about it, whenever artist leaves the label, you know,
Speaker 2: they bring us in a street exact sin and they
Speaker 2: ultimately wind up taking the artist anyway.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the artist is gonna leave everybody anyway.
Speaker 1: Why would the artist stay with you to do listen?
Speaker 2: Which is true? Which is the point I was gonna
Speaker 2: get at. Nothing is meant to be forever. Roland is
Speaker 2: in perpetuity.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Berdman, I think Birdman made the correct
Speaker 1: I think Birdman got it right more than any brother exec.
Speaker 3: In the history of the music business.
Speaker 1: Where you just turn over the label to your to
Speaker 1: the to the to the bread winner, and I think
Speaker 1: that never happened. I mean, you know, I would love
Speaker 1: to see a Researchency cash Money where Manny Fresh is
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, on the up end of
Speaker 1: the financial and burd just makes the decisions. I think
Speaker 1: the hit I think bad Boy changes the hit man.
Speaker 1: You know, the cook, if the cook is actually in
Speaker 1: charge of the restaurant.
Speaker 4: You don't think a fair parallel on these structures is
Speaker 4: sports teams. Good players last a little shorter than good coaches,
Speaker 4: which lasts a little shorter than good gms, which lasts
Speaker 4: a little shorter than good owners.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: And as soon as one guy tries to be more
Speaker 4: than he's supposed to be, I e. Jerry Jones, Jerry
Speaker 4: Jones was nothing with Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson made that roster.
Speaker 4: Jimmy Johnson put that together, you know, he got him
Speaker 4: out of there and they won one kind of half
Speaker 4: passed with the same team with Switzer. But once all
Speaker 4: those Jimmy Johnson people were gone, it's never been good again,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: And that's Jerry West.
Speaker 4: Jerry West did it in multiple locations real well, you know,
Speaker 4: as a GM he did.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I mean like it just has to do with the
Speaker 4: with the foundational layering of how a lot of that
Speaker 4: stuff kind of works.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's.
Speaker 1: Fair if if you could pinpoint one thing, if you
Speaker 1: were Shug Night and you could change one thing that
Speaker 1: you felt he did.
Speaker 3: What's that one thing?
Speaker 2: Still?
Speaker 3: You would change that he did if you were sugar.
Speaker 1: He was like, there's one thing you could be like,
Speaker 1: you can go back and you can say you could
Speaker 1: redirect him.
Speaker 3: He don't do that. What would be one thing?
Speaker 2: Man? You know what if I had to pick one thing, bro,
Speaker 2: it's crazy to sound never opened sixty six two six
Speaker 2: six two wound up being a root of a lot
Speaker 2: of his problems. Right when you think about it, right, No,
Speaker 2: sixty six two. He probably wouldn't be in Vegas.
Speaker 3: Not your fighting or you get on the plane after
Speaker 3: the fight.
Speaker 2: Well you probably right back, there's no reason for you
Speaker 2: to be hanging out. Count you feel what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it had been one of those things. Probably I opened
Speaker 2: up sixty six too.
Speaker 1: And then and then I think I think, uh, Reggie
Speaker 1: said it only opened like seven times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it only opens the radically, Doug. But every time
Speaker 2: it opened, there was always some bullshit up there.
Speaker 3: Okay, so not open six six to two. And there's
Speaker 3: one thing people.
Speaker 2: Any other thing, Bro. I think what happened with him
Speaker 2: in the you know, the whole accident with the car man,
Speaker 2: you know when he ran when my man got ran over. Sure,
Speaker 2: don't go up there, man, lead that shit alone, dog like,
Speaker 2: leave all that alone. You feel what I'm saying. If
Speaker 2: I could talk the shug lead the bullshit alone, though
Speaker 2: you still got to action, you shoug.
Speaker 3: Night, Pete.
Speaker 1: If one thing you can go back, even though still
Speaker 1: said two things. If there's one thing, Pete you could do,
Speaker 1: you can go back and you could turn.
Speaker 3: Pop say like he don't do that? What would be
Speaker 3: that one thing?
Speaker 4: I would just say, just always keep in mind the
Speaker 4: difference between the sun and the moon. Meaning when you're assessing.
Speaker 1: Fuck all that one incident, Pete, when it's I don't
Speaker 1: know this man's life like that.
Speaker 3: I mean the things that you do know.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 4: As a matter as a rule of thumb, if you're
Speaker 4: a bigger guy, don't be between don't have a smaller
Speaker 4: guy between you and the shooter.
Speaker 3: He got very.
Speaker 2: Lucky man Like one thing, man, Come on.
Speaker 4: I would say this, understand who brings more talent around them?
Speaker 4: Who did Tupac ever bring around nobody? Dre has a
Speaker 4: history of bringing people around him even before he got there.
Speaker 3: You know, So whatever to make doctor Dre happy, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Dre has done it. Before he had a collective talent
Speaker 4: around him. At NWA, he assembled a collection of talent
Speaker 4: around him. At death Row, he assembled a collection of
Speaker 4: talent around him. After that, That's what he does. Who
Speaker 4: did tupac wing around the outlaws? I mean, I don't
Speaker 4: know those guys, but they didn't take off like Snoop
Speaker 4: and M and M and Ice Cube.
Speaker 2: Sure without laws some little keyds with marginal talent. And
Speaker 2: people think that's this, but they.
Speaker 3: You don't know all this marginal talent. They were just
Speaker 3: little kids.
Speaker 4: They were in the wrong place at the wrong time,
Speaker 4: in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Speaker 2: They was just little kids.
Speaker 3: Was little kids they were.
Speaker 2: They were really literally little kids, like you're said, very young.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Pete, if you should say not leading
Speaker 2: leading Michelle alone.
Speaker 3: Pete would devastate those ship like that.
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