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Listen early and 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: ad free with Fubuto Plus. 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 4: The Trump administration has begun to pull most immigration officers 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 4: out of Minnesota after immense protest and backlash. 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 5: There are under five hundred ICE agents remaining in Minnesota. 13 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 5: That's off of the three thousand surge that we saw here. 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 4: Minnesota was one of the latest states to have hundreds 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 4: of ICE and Border Patrol agents descending onto its streets. 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 4: It was the largest immigration enforcement deployment in US history, 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 4: and it reached a tipping point when two people were 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 4: shot dead by federal agents. There was Renee Macklin Good. 19 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 6: Renee Good was a thirty seven year old US citizen 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 6: and mother of three who moved to Minnesota just last year. 21 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: And Alex Pretty. 22 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 7: Alex Pretty was thirty seven years old. He worked as 23 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 7: an ICU nurse taking care of critically ill patients at 24 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 7: the Minneapolis VA Medical Sector. 25 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 4: And months before them, in Chicago, Silberio Dillegas Gonzalez was 26 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 4: also gunned down. 27 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 5: Breaking news out of the Chicago area Homeland Security officialcy 28 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 5: and ICE operation left an enforcement officer severely injured and 29 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 5: the target of a traffic stop dead. 30 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 4: The country has been grappling with these images border patrol 31 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 4: and ICE agents wreaking across major cities, But for a 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 4: lot of communities living along the US Mexico border, these 33 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 4: violent acts look pretty familiar. Jane Guerrero is a journalist, author, 34 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 4: and contributing opinion writer for The New York Times. Jane 35 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 4: was born and raised on the California Mexico border. She 36 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 4: recently wrote about how immigration enforcement and how the violation 37 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 4: of due process is now seeping away from the border 38 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 4: and trickling into other American cities. The violence is no 39 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 4: longer quietly happening in the shadows of the borderlands. 40 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: So now it's happening on our streets. 41 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 4: In a lot of ways, the border has been a 42 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 4: testing ground for all of this. Jane Guerrero also wrote 43 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 4: about something else recently that made us want to have 44 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 4: her back on our show something that has also been 45 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 4: happening in the shadows hundreds of miles away in Honduras. 46 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: Do not want these startup cities because they do not 47 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: want to be displaced. 48 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 8: Will actually build new cities in our country, These freedom cities, 49 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 8: will reopen the frontier. 50 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 4: Gene argues that Onduras is a testing ground for something 51 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 4: that may very well soon come to the US. They're 52 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 4: known as startup cities. From Futuro Media, It's Latino USA. 53 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 4: I'm Mariano Josa. Today a conversation with journalist Jean Guerrero 54 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 4: how past border enforcement connect to the ice rates of today. 55 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 4: Then we turn to the other testing ground, this time 56 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 4: in Onduras, where tech billionaires are trying to build their 57 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 4: own private societies. 58 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: So let's get to it. 59 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 4: We start by talking about how the recent surge of 60 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 4: immigration enforcement across the US didn't come out of nowhere. 61 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 4: A lot of people are shocked. You and I are 62 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 4: not shocked. 63 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: Exactly. It's been happening under Republican administrations. 64 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 8: It's now my privilege to sign the Homeland Security Act 65 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 8: of two thousand and two. 66 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 9: When you prosecute the parents for coming in illegally, you 67 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 9: have to take the children away. 68 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: It's been happening under Democratic administrations. 69 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 10: President Clinton's decision in nineteen ninety four significantly increased the 70 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 10: border wall. The twenty two years that followed, at least 71 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 10: eighty three hundred people died and fifty five hundred disappeared 72 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 10: while trying to cross. 73 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 9: CBS News has learned President Biden will issue an executive 74 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 9: order this week that would partially shut down asylum processing. 75 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: And I think what's changed is just the brazenness with 76 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: which it's being done so visibly in the middle of 77 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: our cities and in our neighborhoods, whereas so much of 78 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: this violence was previously confined to remote areas of the 79 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: US Mexico border and to immigrant communities as well. But 80 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: the sort of overt to braws and violence that we're 81 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: seeing was something that border patrol was used to being 82 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: able to do with impunity. And this is why you've 83 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: seen thousands of people die at the US Mexico border 84 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: since the nineteen nineties when I was a high school student. 85 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: It's actually what got me into immigration reporting in the 86 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: first place. At the time, I was shocked as a 87 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: teenager to discover what was happening just a few miles 88 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: away from where I was growing up, but it was 89 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: happening systemically in the shadows. It was happening at a 90 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: massive scale that we have not reckoned with until now 91 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: because it's in our faces. 92 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 4: So because of the fact that you grew up watching this, 93 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 4: can you take us to some of those memories as 94 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 4: a young woman on the US Mexico border that kind 95 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 4: of shifted everything for you. 96 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: My strongest, most powerful memory, it's actually from my early 97 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: parts of my career, which is it actually threw me 98 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: back to when I was in high school because what 99 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: I was doing is I was walking the smuggling routes 100 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: at the US Mexico border in Arizona over the course 101 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: of multiple weekends with volunteers who go out there to 102 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: search for lost migrants and for the bodies of migrants 103 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: who've died in the desert to bring closure to their families. 104 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: What I was seeing, which was literally human remains every 105 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: single time that when I went out there with those volunteers, 106 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: a mass grave at the US Mexico border. This is 107 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: something that I had first learned about when I was 108 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: in high school and I was reading Luis albertore As 109 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: The Devil's Highway where he talks about this group of 110 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: Mexican men who died trying to cross the newly militarized border. 111 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: I remember reading that extremely evocative, reported nonfiction account of 112 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: their experiences and being horrified, How is it possible that 113 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: our immigration policy could be designed to push people to 114 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: their deaths? And I was outraged, And later I was 115 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: just shocked to find that in my late twenties this 116 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: was still happening, and happening on a much more massive 117 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: and cruel scale. This was under the Obama administration, and 118 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: I remember I went out there because Trump was campaigning 119 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: on a promise to build his wall and to bring 120 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: about a much more brasingly cruel immigration policy, and I 121 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: remember thinking it cannot possibly get more cruel than it 122 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: already is. Like I was seeing human remains, skeletons everywhere. 123 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: We have been pushing people to their deaths as a 124 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: fundamental component of our immigration policy. With Stephen Miller and 125 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump are trying to do is there's a variety 126 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: of tactics, but one of them is to make their 127 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: lives so miserable here that they self deport. And one 128 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: of the ways that they're doing that is by introducing 129 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: a level of violence into our communities that we have 130 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: never seen before, at such a shocking open level. And 131 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: it's the same violence that caused those people to die 132 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: in the desert. 133 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 4: Physical and psychological violence. I think most recently of five 134 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 4: year old Liam Gonejo Ramos. You might have seen him 135 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 4: in his blue little bunny hat. He became an international 136 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 4: symbol of the trauma being inflicted on children across the 137 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 4: country today. 138 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: Liam Goneho Ramos is a five year old pre kindergartener 139 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: from Minneapolis. He and his dad were walking back from 140 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: school when they were detained by immigration officers. 141 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 4: I mean, I wake up thinking about little Liam, but 142 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 4: there are so many little Liams, whether they're in Minnesota, 143 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 4: or they're in Chicago, or they're in LA I'm wondering 144 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 4: what do you think will happen with these children who 145 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 4: are being exposed to this. It wasn't new, but for 146 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 4: children in places like Minnesota, like OHI, this is in 147 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 4: fact going to change their experience as an American kid. 148 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: It's incredibly traumatizing even just reading about what was happening 149 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: to me as the daughter of a Mexican immigrant and 150 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: a Puerto Rican woman, and being part of a family 151 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: of immigrants and people a mixed status family. It was 152 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: shocking to me to learn about the in humanity with 153 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: which the government was treating people like us simply because 154 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: of our language, simply because of the national origin of 155 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: our families. It created a sense of not belonging, of 156 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: not being wanted, and having to prove constantly my right 157 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: to exist. And I think it's really interesting what we're 158 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: seeing now because it seems that one of the reasons 159 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: people are starting to care is because they're realizing something 160 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: that the immigrant rights activists have been warning us for 161 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: a very long time about, which is that the attack 162 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: on immigrant rights is a trojan horse for an attack 163 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: on civil rights. The attacks on immigrant communities are being 164 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: used as a testing ground and as a way to 165 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,359 Speaker 1: expand the erosion of our civil rights through the surveillance 166 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: economy and just slowly eroding our ability to be autonomous, 167 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: free citizens of this country. And people are trying to 168 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: realize it. Even if you are a citizen, you are 169 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: no longer safe. If you go out onto the street 170 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: and you stand up to protect your neighbors, you are 171 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: potentially going to be shot dead in the middle of 172 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: the street. That is what this is all about. It 173 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: is about power, impunity, the ability to operate without any 174 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: accountability whatsoever for governments that are in the pocket of 175 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: corporations that surveil and jail human beings for profit. 176 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 4: When we come back, Jingeretro makes a direct connection between 177 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 4: the recent presidential elections and tech billionaires. 178 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: You cannot understand the erosion of civil rights that we 179 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: are seeing in the United States and the unleashing of 180 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: federal agents on our communities without looking at what is 181 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: happening in Hunters, because it is the most blatant example 182 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: of Central America being used as a testing ground. 183 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 3: Stay with us. 184 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 4: Yes, it's Latino USA. I'm Maria Josa. I'm speaking with 185 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 4: journalist jan Guerrero. We're going to talk now about a 186 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 4: direct link between the newly elected right wing president of 187 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 4: Hoduras nasri As Fua, and the billionaire tech world. Gin 188 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 4: is going to tell us how all of this connects 189 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 4: to the States and what it could mean for all 190 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 4: of us. You recently wrote a piece for The New 191 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 4: York Times titled Trump is not a nationalist, He's something worse. 192 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 4: And you say that what's happening in on Duras. Some 193 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 4: people are like, wait a second, we're just trying to 194 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 4: understand what's happening in our own country. You want us 195 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 4: to understand what's happening in Onduas in order to see 196 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 4: how this plays out here in the United States and 197 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 4: the repercussions. So make those connections for our listeners. 198 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: You cannot understand the erosion of civil rights that we 199 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: are seeing in the United States and the unleashing of 200 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: federal agents on our communities without looking at what is 201 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: happening in Hunduras, because it is the most blatant example 202 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: of Central America being used as a testing ground. So 203 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: the reason nadreyas Fuda is in power now in Hunduras 204 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: is because Donald Trump did everything that he could to 205 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: get him power. 206 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 10: Nazri Asfulla, the conservative businessman backed by US President Donald Trump, 207 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 10: finally declared winner of the Honduran presidential vote. 208 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 4: Trump endorsed Nasiri as Fuda in November, saying on social 209 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 4: media that he was the best candidate for Honduras and 210 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 4: that the US could only work with him to fight 211 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 4: so called narco communists. Trump berated the other candidates. He 212 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 4: also threatened to cut off usaid if us Fuda did 213 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 4: not win, but that wasn't the only outside influence happening 214 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 4: in the country at the time. 215 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: MS thirteen was going around posing as election observers and 216 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: telling Hundurance that if they didn't vote for the Trump 217 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: backed candidate that they would kill them and their entire families. 218 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: MS thirteen literally drove voters to the polls to make 219 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: sure they cast a ballot the right way. 220 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 4: And Trump's interest in the country continued. The following month. 221 00:13:55,040 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 4: In December, Trump pardoned the former president of Honduras, Orlando Ernandez, 222 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 4: a move that shocked many people. 223 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 9: Demand that I pardoned was if you could equate it 224 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 9: to us. He was treated like the Biden administration treated 225 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 9: a man named Trump. This was a man who was 226 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 9: persecuted very unfairly. 227 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 4: In Nandez had been in a high security US prison 228 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: after being convicted of drug trafficking. He was sentenced to 229 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: forty five years. 230 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: He pardoned the former president Juan or Landoornandez, who not 231 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: only was convicted of federal drug trafficking charges and his 232 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: role in one of the largest, most violent drug trafficking 233 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: conspiracies in the world. So somebody who sees this and 234 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: doesn't understand why is probably utterly shocked of course, because 235 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: Trump supposedly is the worst nightmare of drug cartels. Why 236 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: is he putting somebody or a party in power that 237 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: has historically overseen huge waves of migration from people who 238 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: were fleeing the Narco state. 239 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 4: On January twenty seventh, nasri As Fuda officially became President 240 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 4: of Honduras when he was sworn into office. See both 241 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 4: of these Honduran leaders, as Fuda and Ernandez belonged to 242 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 4: the right wing party, and Jin Guerrero says this is 243 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 4: important because Trump and his allies wanted the Honduran Conservative 244 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 4: Party to win in order to allow tech billionaires to 245 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 4: build so called startup cities. 246 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: I mean you look at Roger Stone. 247 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 4: Roger Stone as in the controversial political strategist who was 248 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 4: close to Trump. Remember the gray hair, flashy suit guy. 249 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 4: Think Russian interference. 250 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: He put out a blog within days of Trump coming 251 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: into power in twenty twenty five saying that Trump needed 252 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: to pardon at Nandez as a death blow to Shiamata Castor, 253 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: the democratically elected progressive president of Honduras at the time, 254 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: because she was against these startup cities that are backed 255 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: by Trump aligned tach billionaires who want to be able 256 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: to use Honduras to spread these neocolonial experiments where they 257 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: take over Honduran land in violation of Hunduran sovereignty, create 258 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: their own laws, and they want to be able to 259 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: do this with impunity. 260 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 4: And one of the biggest and most controversial startup cities 261 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 4: is on a Honduran island. The city is named Prospera. 262 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 6: Prospera is building the fastest growing private city project in 263 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 6: the world, elevating human potential through a radically decentralized private 264 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 6: governance framework. Our platform is currently powering the next generation 265 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 6: prosperous city in the island of Roatan in Honduras, as 266 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 6: well as an emerging Prosperity hub on the Honduran mainland 267 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 6: with more location. 268 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: Shamatacasto had said, no, you guys cannot do that, and 269 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: the Hounduran Congress had voted to repeal the law that 270 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: allowed these startup cities to be created. And Rogers Stone 271 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: told Trump, you need to pardoner and none this so 272 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: that we can re empower the right wing party, so 273 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: that we can protect Prospera, so that we can save 274 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: prosper It's dizzying and it seems to contradict his other 275 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: medaling in Latin America, like him capturing Minnesota's President Nicolas 276 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: Maludo to bring him here on alleged federal drug trafficking charges. 277 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 4: Maludo responded that he is a man of God and 278 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 4: a prisoner of war, kidnapped by the American. 279 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: Military, threatening to do the same with the Colombian president. 280 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 9: Columbia is very sick to run by a sick man 281 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 9: who likes making cocaine and selling it to the United States. 282 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: Threatening to bomb cartels in Mexico tonight. 283 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 5: Mexico's president is urging closer coordination with the US after 284 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 5: President Trump threatens land strikes on drug cartels that he 285 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 5: claims are running Mexico. 286 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: It all seems contradictory, but actually there is a completely 287 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: coherent logic to it, and what that lodge is that 288 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: he is trying to empower a class of transnational elites 289 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: and expand their territorial power. All of these actions do that, 290 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: and in Hunters in particular, the real reasons for his 291 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: pardon are hidden in plain sight. It's these transnational elites 292 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: who want to operate across borders, who don't believe in 293 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: national sovereignty, who do not believe in borders, and it 294 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: shows that Trump is not a nationalist. He claims he's 295 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: all about patriotism, He's all about America first. But what 296 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: these policies show is that he is in league with 297 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: transnational elites who are actively working to accelerate the decline 298 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: of the nation state globally. 299 00:18:51,720 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: We'll be right back, Yes, Hey, we're back. 300 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 4: I'm going to wrap up my conversation with Jing Guerero 301 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 4: and we're going to talk more about Prospera and how 302 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 4: the fate of working class Americans is intertwined with those 303 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 4: in Onduras. So, Jing, you've laid out this concept of 304 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 4: these independent cities within the country of Onduras. I think 305 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 4: it might make some people stop for a second and say, 306 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 4: how does what happens in Hoduras, in these independent cities prospera. 307 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 4: How does that actually touch anybody that lives in the 308 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 4: United States. 309 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: There's two main reasons that touches us, all aside from 310 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: the fact that they are planning to bring these experiments here. 311 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 1: I said this openly. Trump has openly said I'd love 312 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: to have freedom cities in the US. 313 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 8: Will actually build new cities in our country. These freedom 314 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 8: cities will reopen the frontier and. 315 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: What they're doing is it's this hub for human enhancement 316 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: for the rich. So they are offering experimental gene therapies 317 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: for life extension that cost tens of thousands of dollars. 318 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 11: I'm traveling to a remote island for an extreme medical 319 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 11: procedure that could change the future of humanity. Humans have 320 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 11: a one hundred and twenty year sailing and so far 321 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 11: no one can punch through it. Gene therapy might be 322 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 11: the answer. This is a journey in search of the 323 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 11: fountain of youth. 324 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: They're offering cybernetic implants for what they call self sovereign cyborgs. 325 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 2: I also recently got myself like an implant into my hands. 326 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 11: Here you can program several things into it, like opening 327 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 11: Tesla car. 328 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: It's part of this transhumanist movement that I personally see 329 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: as the successor to the nineteen hundreds eugenics movement in 330 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: the United States, where it's about breeding a superior race 331 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 1: of humans using technology. And what's interesting about it is 332 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: that it's only accessible to the rich because the people 333 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: who are advocating for transhumanism as it is unfolding in Prospera, 334 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: and as it is unfolding in many other cities. They 335 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: believe that only certain people should have access, and they 336 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: believe that the world should be structured to allow for 337 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: humanity to reach what they call technological maturity at any cost. 338 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: So if that means destroying the earth, if that means 339 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: killing billions of human beings, they are fundamentally okay with that. 340 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: It's part of this movement that is gaining power, and 341 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: some of the most wealthy individuals are subscribers to this movement, 342 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: and Prospera is key to that movement because they were 343 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: creating this hub for human enhancement. 344 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 4: There geneses that it's important to recognize that Prospero was 345 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 4: built in a special economic zone, a model that was 346 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 4: originally pioneered in Puerto Rico. 347 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: After World War Two, the. 348 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 12: US government and Puerto Rico's own leadership cited that the 349 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 12: island needed to modernize its economy, so they pitched this 350 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 12: grand Plan Industrialize, bring in US factories. The government gave 351 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 12: huge tax breaks and incentives to American companies to set 352 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 12: out factories on the island. Puerto Rican workers were promised 353 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 12: jobs and prosperity, but the factories often paid low wages. 354 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 12: The profits went right back to the mainland. 355 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm Puerto Rican. My mother and all of my family 356 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: members left Puerto Rico because of the lack of economic opportunity, 357 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: the widespread unemployment, and that all started because of the 358 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: entire island of Puerto Rico being transformed into a special 359 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: economic zone. So startup cities are using special economic zones 360 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: to proliferate. And they always say that these special economic 361 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: zones are going to create economic prosperity and all kinds 362 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: of opportunities for the domestic populations. But that is the 363 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: biggest lie, because you look at history, you look at 364 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: what happened in Puerto Rico. Most Puerto Ricans live outside 365 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: of Puerto Rico because of what they did there, and 366 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: so now they're trying to multiply this and ultimately bring 367 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: it here. It is not just about these other places. 368 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: The other places are just the start. In the same 369 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: way that immigrants were used in the United States to 370 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: erode the rule of law and civil rights for all citizens, 371 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: these regions are being used as a testing ground for 372 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: similarly bringing that here. As I argue, I say, the 373 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: interest of working class native born Americans is not really 374 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: in conflict with the interests of indigenous communities across the Americas, 375 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: and if we're able to help people understand how their 376 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: faiths are intertwined, how these startup cities that are being 377 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: used to displace people in Latin America are eventually going 378 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: to come here. I think if people start to understand 379 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: those connections, then then there is a way out of 380 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: this nightmare. Like people talk about immigrants in a way 381 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: that makes other people think that it has nothing to 382 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: do with them, but it has everything to do with them. 383 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: As long as we allow the most vulnerable members of 384 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: our society to be rounded up, to be disappeared, we 385 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: are basically creating a situation where we are not going 386 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: to have a country. We are not going to have rights, 387 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: we are not going to have law and order any 388 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: of us. People aren't seeing immigrants as equals. They're seeing 389 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: them as lesser, as as people who are suffering. And 390 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: it's like no, no, no, Our fates are deeply, deeply entwined, 391 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: and we are equals here and we need to fight 392 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: like equals. 393 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 4: Jan Guerrero contributed to The New York Times journalist and author, 394 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining me again on Not 395 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 4: the New USA. 396 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 13: Thank you, Maria. 397 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 4: This episode was produced by Rinaldo Leanos Junior. It was 398 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 4: edited by our managing editor Fernando Echavari. It was mixed 399 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 4: by Stephanie Lebou and JJ Carubin. Fact checking for this 400 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 4: episode by Roxana Aguire. 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