1 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: Well, many Christians often think that the world is becoming 2 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: more secular and less spiritual, but that couldnt be further 3 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: from the truth. From occult TV shows to trendy spiritualism 4 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: such as the idea of manifestation, much of today's practices 5 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: are repackaged paganism and this has opened the door to 6 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: the demonic in many homes. So can these squatting spirits 7 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: be kicked out? Yes, we're talking about demons and today 8 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: you're going to find out. But before we get to that, 9 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: joining me around the. 10 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: It's April Simon's we got some squat and spirits. 11 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what That's what demons are like in a 12 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: Christian's world, their squatters. 13 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: They're not supposed to have any part in our life. 14 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: But we can open doors. 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: We can give a foothold and it can become a stronghold, 16 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 3: and that's what we don't want. 17 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: But I love the title make the Devil Homeless. 18 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 4: That's the greatest Make the Devil homeless. 19 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 5: I love that. 20 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people don't really want to 21 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: talk about like angels, demons, heaven, hell, but those are 22 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: all real things we need to talk about. 23 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 5: Very very real. 24 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 4: You know. That's why it's important that we know the 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 4: Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit, you know, protects us 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 4: from all that. 27 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Jesus is definitely stronger Rachel Lamb Brown 28 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: he is. 29 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: And you know, it's so funny. 30 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 6: I was talking with my friend the other day on 31 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 6: the phone and she started laughing, and I was like what. 32 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 6: And she had taught her little son to with all 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 6: the Halloween decorations and you know, all the crazy stuff 34 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 6: to say, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. 35 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: I heard rebuking something. 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 6: She just thought that it was so funny that I 37 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 6: love that we could use our kids at a young 38 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 6: age how to how to handle these things, and that, 39 00:01:58,800 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 6: you know, our. 40 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: Neighbors were right. 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: I have grandchildren that will go around and see the 42 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: skeletons and all the there like, we don't celebrate that. 43 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: We don't do that. I don't do that in our house. 44 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 6: I have to tell you funny story. Judo is that 45 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 6: taekwondo the other day and they're going to do like 46 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 6: a parent's night out, and they said, how many of 47 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 6: you like to dress up and celebrate Halloween. The whole 48 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 6: class in Unison goes yes. Then Juda goes no. I'm like, 49 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 6: oh my gosh, that's my boy. It was like, we 50 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 6: don't I watched. 51 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: Him in taekwondo. 52 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he liked it. 53 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am, that was his favorite party. 54 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: How are you doing? 55 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 5: Great? 56 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: And I like these kind of shows because you have 57 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: to have information. You have to know there are always 58 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: spiritual warfarees. 59 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: Happening around us, and we have. 60 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: To know how to handle it and the authority that's 61 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: within us because of the power in the blood of 62 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: Jesus Christy. But like we're I taught my little girls 63 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: at a young young age. If you're ever afraid, if 64 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 3: you're ever lonely, if you're ever scared, you just say Jesus. 65 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all you have to do. Power in the 66 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: name cheese. That's right. 67 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 5: They tremble, they flee, they go. 68 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: No one's squatting around us. 69 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: Let's all right, Hello, Hello, you know, Cindy Johnston welcome. 70 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: A lot of people don't understand there is a battle 71 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: going on, and there's there is a spiritual realm that 72 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: we can't see. Yes, that darkness operates in. 73 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 7: Yes, but the Bible talks about in second Corinthians Elive 74 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 7: it's ten and four that the weapons that we fight 75 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 7: well with are not of this world, right. The weapons 76 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 7: that we have is divinely divine power through God. Yeah, 77 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 7: so we can cast down all of those things that 78 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 7: you got to come in to torment or try to. 79 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: Come into our lives as believers. We could be free 80 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: from them. And He's given us the word of God. Yes, 81 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: you know, the sword of the Spirit. I mean, he's 82 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: given us. 83 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: The knowledge of knowing, like just like Kendrick said, at 84 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: the name of Jesus, you know, demons tremble. And I 85 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: remember I interviewed a witch doctor from Africa years ago 86 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: that came out of that and got turned his life 87 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: over to God. And I remember he just said, Joni, 88 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: the power of the Holy Spirit is so much greater 89 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: than the. 90 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: Power of darkness. So we're gonna talk about that. 91 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: He is the founder of Hungry gen Church and author 92 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: of the powerful new book Make the Devil Homeless. Please 93 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: welcome our dear friend, Vladimir Sobjeck. 94 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 5: How are you doing better than I deserve? Ready to 95 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 5: make the Devil homeless? 96 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? 97 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: Good, we want to do that today. 98 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: Of course, we call you pastor vlad or do you 99 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: like Vladimir? 100 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 5: Which one vlad is shorter. 101 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, even though lad stands from Vladislave, it's a total 102 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 8: different name. 103 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 5: But most people don't know. And I'm fine with all. 104 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: Right. 105 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 5: God is good. 106 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it is an inconvenient truth. But many 107 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: homes all across the world are under the dominion of 108 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: actually demonic spirits and they don't even realize it. From 109 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: bloodline curses to open doors to ungodly practices, countless people 110 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: are living in bondage to darkness. 111 00:04:59,200 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: But there's good news. 112 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: You can walk in God's abundant freedom, and it starts 113 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: with deliverance. Jesus had a lot to say about this. 114 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: What did he say about dealing with demons? 115 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 8: So amazing thing about Jesus is it's not only what 116 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 8: he said, but what he did is he cast him out. 117 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 8: You know, his ministry started with confrontation with the devil 118 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 8: in the wilderness. And I always tell people who want 119 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 8: to be involved in the ministry of deliverance, in order 120 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 8: to engage with Satan publicly, you have to defeat him privately. 121 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 8: Because if you're not defeating lions in private, you're not 122 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 8: going to defeat. 123 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 5: Goliaths on the public field. 124 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 8: Oh so, Jesus's deliverance ministry really started with temptation in 125 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 8: the wilderness. And so if we are privately not overcoming, 126 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 8: but have strongholds, have demonic oppressions and other stuff the publicly, 127 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 8: even if we're successful at helping other people, it's a 128 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 8: matter of time, all of us is going to collapse. 129 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 8: But Jesus' ministry started with coming to synagogue, and the 130 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 8: scripture says that unclean spirit was manifesting, and Jesus instead 131 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 8: of asking the security guys to take him out, he 132 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 8: took the demon out of the man remove that through 133 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 8: the power of the Holy Spirit. And then he says, 134 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 8: if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, 135 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 8: the Kingdom of God has come upon you. What people 136 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 8: must understand is the Kingdom of God. Invasion of God's 137 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 8: kingdom happens when it comes on the scene, two kingdoms crash, clash. 138 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 5: And this is what freedom is like. 139 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 8: Is the Kingdom of Jesus causes the kingdom of the 140 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 8: enemy to be exposed and expelled. 141 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: So let's talk about entrance, the three ways that the 142 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: demonic will enter into talk about those three things. 143 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 8: So it's I like to use three abuse, ancestry and 144 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 8: actions or inheritance. Intrusion and involvement inheritance is when demons 145 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 8: use the bloodline, when people dead, other people through the 146 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 8: bloodline to get through. I remember praying one time for 147 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 8: a young lady and she was going through a deliverance 148 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 8: and we couldn't get the demon out, and so we 149 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 8: stopped the deliverance and she's like full blown manifesting and 150 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 8: I asked her, is she a Christian? She said no, 151 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 8: I'm not a Christian. And I was like, well, that 152 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 8: probably the reason why we're not getting anywhere. I'm like, 153 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 8: would you like to be a Christian? 154 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 5: She's like, well, I don't know. 155 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 8: My parents are both witch doctors, and at the age 156 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 8: of five, she shows me her finger. She said, they 157 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 8: dedicated me to this practice that they're into, which is witchcraft. 158 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 8: I was like, well, that makes sense why we're not 159 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 8: able to get the demon out. 160 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,559 Speaker 5: I'm like, would you like to become a Christian? And 161 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 5: she said. 162 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 8: Yes, And that day I understood how powerful child dedication is. 163 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 5: Wow. 164 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 8: Now this girl is seventeen years of age in a 165 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 8: different city. 166 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 5: She's not doing witchcraft. 167 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 8: But these demons marked her, and so people don't understand that, 168 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 8: and people can debate me until we all turn blue 169 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 8: about this. 170 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 5: Curses, this real or not. 171 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 8: But one thing is certain is there are things that 172 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 8: are passed on through the bloodline, and good things also, yeah, 173 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 8: and so. 174 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: General generational blessings as well as curses. So what happened 175 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: with her when she when she became a Christian? 176 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 8: So the moment she accepted Jesus, then I confronted the. 177 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 5: Very same demon who didn't want to leave. 178 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 8: And I mean she was like manifesting like a snake, 179 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 8: like behaving very different and not normal, attacked the camera, 180 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 8: broke our camera because we usually record deliverances for safety 181 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 8: purposes and other other reasons and so and then within 182 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 8: about five minutes she was completely set free, and we 183 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 8: dedicated her to Jesus, annointed her with oil and now 184 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 8: rededicated her to the Lord and so so in inheritance 185 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 8: is the first one. The second one is intrusion. Intrusion 186 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 8: usually happens when the child is growing up, and especially 187 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 8: happens with younger people. And Satan loves to target young 188 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 8: people because they are vulnerable, they're young, they're like wet cement. 189 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: He wants to keep them from their destiny. And many 190 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: times the very children that are being attacked or molested. 191 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: God has his hand on them for great purpose, and 192 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: the enemy wants to stop them from that hundred percent. 193 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 8: And so usually in that very crucial development moment, usually 194 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 8: there is lack of fathers, other people get involved, abuse happens, 195 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 8: and the enemy doesn't like to play fair. Most people 196 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 8: think that he plays fair. He doesn't play fair. It's 197 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 8: about legal rights. It's not about fairness. Like even think 198 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 8: about the sin we get from Adam, it's not fair. 199 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 8: The grace we get from Jesus is also not fair. 200 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 8: So like fairness doesn't come into. 201 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: Play with and who said life was fair? 202 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 5: Ye? Who told you that? 203 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: Who told you that? Lie? 204 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 4: Yeah? 205 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 8: So I remember when we were praying for and have 206 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 8: a lot of stories of people who specifically were exposed 207 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 8: and the enemy exploited abuse, broken home and entered in 208 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 8: and then until they. 209 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 5: Were able to forgive as well. Forgiveness is crucial. 210 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 2: That's really big with intrusion. 211 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so say here's the child, here's a young person 212 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: has been violated in whatever way. It's horrible, but at 213 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: some point there has to be forgiveness for the real 214 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: really to be a release. 215 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 8: One hundred percent, Jesus said that in Matthew that a 216 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 8: person who didn't forgive the person that owed him a 217 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 8: little bit of debt, he was eventually thrown to the 218 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 8: chamber of tortures. 219 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 5: And those are our demons. 220 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 8: They torture, They torment people now, and this is sad 221 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 8: and it's heartbreaking because the person is the victim, right, 222 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 8: they're the ones that were sinned against. 223 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 5: That's not fair. They don't deserve that. 224 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense to the natural mind. 225 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 5: But in the spirit realm, it's open door. 226 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: It's a powerful. 227 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: Principle of blessing when we forgive. 228 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: And I think we have to look at. 229 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: What we've been forgiven and we have the promise of 230 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: eternal life through what Jesus did on the cross. How 231 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: can we not forgive in this lifetime? Okay, so we 232 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 1: talked about. 233 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 8: Inheritance, intrusion, and then the third one is involvement. 234 00:10:58,360 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: Are y' all learning something? 235 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 8: So the involvement deals mainly the things that we consciously 236 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 8: get involved with. And there are two kind of main 237 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 8: things that we as Christians can get involved with which 238 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 8: are not good. The first one is when we step 239 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 8: into the dark side, when we begin to entertain demonic 240 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 8: witchcraft occulting things. And we do that in the United 241 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 8: States mainly out of curiosity and partially is because people 242 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 8: in our nation we are extremely open minded, so we 243 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 8: kind of want to try things. You know, the alternative spiritualities, 244 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 8: the yoga, the meditations, the channeling of spirits, the law 245 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 8: of attraction, all of these things, they're just trojan horse. 246 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 5: Of demonization very much. 247 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, and they are just the soft introduction and decincitation. 248 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 8: And now all the TV shows and all of that 249 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 8: is happening. People are genuinely hungry for the invisible realm. Why, 250 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 8: because we are spirits. We crave for that which created us. 251 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 8: We came from God. We crave God. And so what 252 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 8: Satan does when he sees this hunger, he manipulates it 253 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 8: by causing creating alternative, counterfeit spiritualities that people fall for. 254 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 8: But they're not just spirituality is they're open portals and 255 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 8: people go into it. 256 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 5: And Christians do. 257 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 8: That because they go to churches were supernatural is not visible. 258 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 8: Pastors sometimes don't believe in it, and so what they 259 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 8: do is they go to Barnes and Nobles, pickup books 260 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 8: on angels, they pick up books on miracles and they're 261 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 8: thinking it's going to be just miracles. It's just straight 262 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 8: up new age and so and that pretty much is 263 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 8: an open door. 264 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,599 Speaker 1: Even though we believe in miracles and angels, some of 265 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: these books are not based on the bid. 266 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 6: How do you know if someone has a demon? 267 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 8: So three ways to know how somebody if somebody has 268 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 8: a demon. Number one is through the gift of discernment 269 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 8: of spirits. There's a reason for that gift. 270 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 5: That gift. While the gift of the Holy. 271 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 8: Spirit is not casting out of demons, the gift of 272 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,599 Speaker 8: the Holy Spirit is discerning spirits. Of course, demons is 273 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 8: not the only thing that this gift helps to discern. 274 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 8: But you just know that this person, what they're carrying 275 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 8: is something is off about it. 276 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 5: So there's a gift of the sermon of spirits. 277 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 8: Number two is when they receive ministry or they're in 278 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 8: the Holy Spirit induced environment, they start to manifest. They 279 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 8: start going manifest, They start acting violently, they start feeling nauseous, 280 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 8: they start throwing up, and they something takes over. 281 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 5: They become angry. 282 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,239 Speaker 2: They you see distortions. 283 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 8: You see if their face changes, the usually their vocals 284 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 8: begin to change. And this you know, I could list 285 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 8: different things, and so you start praying for that person 286 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 8: and they go from this beautiful, wonderful person to ah, 287 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 8: you know, and they just start kind of or they're 288 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 8: start shaking, They start getting really tense. Some people start 289 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 8: uncontrollably crying. And the way clean spirits come out of 290 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 8: some people is actually through their tears. Other people would 291 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 8: throw up for no reason. They didn't eat anything, and 292 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 8: stuff would has come up. I remember a man who 293 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 8: had a leukemia came for prayer. We start praying for 294 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 8: him and he's puking blood. Now I didn't know he 295 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 8: had lukmi and so gross stuff, I mean, nasty, and 296 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 8: he's like, oh. 297 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 5: I feel so much bad. I was like, I bet 298 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 5: you do. Whatever came out of you is so much crazy. 299 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 8: He goes back home to get refueling on his medication. 300 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 8: The doctor says, we need to examine you again. They 301 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 8: examine him again, examine him again. It's been eleven years. 302 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 8: There's no trace of cancer in his blood. And so 303 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 8: a lot of times people manifest when. 304 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 5: They receive prayer. 305 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 8: The third way that you know somebody has an unclean 306 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 8: spirits is by the symptoms and the activities of unclean spirits. 307 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 5: In their lives like dreams. 308 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 8: Is usually pretty common when a person is getting constantly 309 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 8: attacked in their dreams. 310 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 5: They're getting sexual dreams. 311 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 8: They're seeing dead people who died who keep conversing with them. 312 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 8: Some people have even people they have children within the dream. 313 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 8: They go to sleep, they see reoccurring person they have 314 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 8: sexual intimacy with, and they have children with. In physical 315 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 8: life they cannot have children in the dream, they do. 316 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 8: And then you just stop praying for them, and the 317 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 8: demon speaks out, I. 318 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 5: Am their husband. 319 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 8: I can tell you how many deliverances we've done where 320 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 8: incubus or suckerbis is but in my says, I'm a husband. 321 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 5: I remember one time doing. 322 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 8: A prayer on one lady and I'm just praying her husband. 323 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 5: I was like, what the heck the husband is doanding that. 324 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 5: I was like, what is this? 325 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 8: And he's like something comes on her during the night 326 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 8: and she acts like she has an. 327 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 5: Intimacy with the men. 328 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 8: And she wakes up and she says, yeah, I continuously 329 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 8: have sexual dreams. And so these are not like every 330 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 8: once in a while, this happens all the time. 331 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: So these are like unclean spirits. 332 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 8: Activities, intrusive thoughts. Third third person voices emotions that feel 333 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 8: driven and compulsive. Holy Spirit leads us. Demons drive. They 334 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 8: don't lead, they force it on the person. There's compulsion, 335 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 8: people lose control. And then the other one is there's 336 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 8: paranormal activity that happens in the person's home or the 337 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 8: person's life. Sometimes that could be more of a spiritual 338 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 8: worfare that a person's going through versus a spiritual torment 339 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 8: that they are experiencing. And so those are the commonwess. 340 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: Don't be afraid of what we're talking about. It's a 341 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: real thing that's going on. There is a battle good 342 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: against evil. But Jesus paid the price for you and 343 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: me when he died on the cross. The Bible says, 344 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: all of sin and comes short of the glory of God. 345 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: But he came to the cross a man without sin, 346 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: the Son of God, came down to this earth and 347 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: lived among us and died on the cross for you 348 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: and for me, And all we have to do glad 349 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: is just inviting him into our heart. And like you said, 350 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: when you do that, he comes to. 351 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: Live on the inside of us. Right. 352 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: But not only that, he forgives our sin. And if 353 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: we die, we have the promise of eternal life in heaven. 354 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 8: Right, Yes, our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit. 355 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 8: So we are in dwelled by the Holy Spirit. And 356 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 8: this is where a lot of debate happens is well, 357 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 8: how can you be in dwelled by the Holy Spirit 358 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 8: and glad? You're talking about getting demons. It seems like 359 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 8: you're asking people to be free from demons on the inside. Well, 360 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 8: the Bible does say do not give room to Satan, 361 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 8: So I usually ask people, so where does he go? 362 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 8: Where you give him room? Jesus cleanse the temple. You've 363 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 8: never see Jesus going on the marketplace and just tossing tables. 364 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 8: Nobody does that. That's marketplace. These people paid for those 365 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 8: tables over there. 366 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 5: Why did he do it. 367 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 8: In the temple because those merchants didn't belong there. So 368 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 8: when Jesus comes to live inside, don't here. 369 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: It was supposed to be a holy place. 370 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 5: It was supposed to be a place of prayer, and. 371 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 8: They had made it. What a house of indis of iniquity, 372 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 8: a then of thieves. So he wants to make them homeless, 373 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 8: he wants to remove those things. I usually tell people, 374 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 8: there's the power of the name of Jesus in the 375 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 8: Holy Spirit is able to get demons out of people. 376 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 8: And some people who have torment on the inside, they 377 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 8: don't necessarily have demons that are like strongholds. They're just 378 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 8: kind of They just need to do renewing of the 379 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 8: mind they actually have on clean spirits, they need to 380 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 8: be removed, and the Name of Jesus has the power 381 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 8: to do that. But sometimes Christians experience spiritual warfare where 382 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 8: they need to in the name of Jesus resist submit 383 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 8: to God and resisted them well like one of the things, 384 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 8: and I've experienced both. 385 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 5: I went through deliverance myself. 386 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 8: So I'm not sharing something I just seen in other 387 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 8: people's lives. I know what it's like when something speaks 388 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 8: out of you, comes out and you feel very different, 389 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 8: light as a feather, the very thing that pushed you 390 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 8: from the inside is no longer there. And seeing that 391 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 8: in other people's lives, there's an issue that I was 392 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 8: battling with that was not an inside issue, was an 393 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 8: outside issue. I dealt with fear as long as I 394 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 8: could remember. I struggled being alone in the dark by myself. 395 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 5: I would sleep with lights on. 396 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 8: I would be a youth pastor, run to my car 397 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 8: because I would be the last one to close the church, 398 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 8: and speed from the church and check the back see 399 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 8: make sure there's like no killer there kill me. 400 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, because she saw that on the movie. 401 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 5: I saw that in the movies. And I already was married. 402 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 8: About six months into our marriage. 403 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 5: My wife is a painter. 404 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 8: Saturday night, I'm preparing a sermon very late, and we 405 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 8: lived in this apartment. We have a dinner, and as 406 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 8: we're having a dinner, I would see flashes and I 407 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 8: would see dark figures in my house all the time, 408 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 8: and it would scare me, and so I would of 409 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 8: course not tell her that because I'm a pastor. You faster, 410 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 8: I'll be telling her I'm scared in my own house. 411 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 8: And I'm man a god, I mean, come on, I 412 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 8: can't do that. So we go back to our room 413 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 8: and it was one of those apartments where we didn't 414 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 8: have lights in the living room. 415 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 5: And I remember my wife late in the evening, she's painting. 416 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 8: I'm working on my sermon, and she's like, I needed 417 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 8: to go get me water in the kitchen, which meant 418 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 8: I had to go through the living room. There was 419 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 8: no lights in there. Ghosts there and I was like, 420 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,239 Speaker 8: there's no way I can't do this. I'm telling her, 421 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 8: let's go together in the dark. 422 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 5: He's kind of you know, it's we're newly married. She's like, 423 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 5: what's wrong with you? Go give me water. I was like, yes, ma'am, 424 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 5: I got it. I'm gonna go. 425 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 8: And so I'm thinking I'm gonna run quickly to the kitchen, 426 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 8: turn on the lights because I always ran, always ran. 427 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 8: And for the first time in my life, I felt 428 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 8: the Holy Spirit say, lad, you need to confront it. 429 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 5: I was like, God, that's easy for you to say, 430 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 5: but it's. 431 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 8: A living room, like that thing is most likely there. 432 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 8: It's gonna kill me. He's like, you always ran. Demons 433 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 8: do not leave when you run. They need to run. 434 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 8: The Bible says that submit and resist, he will flee. 435 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 8: He says, you've been flee. 436 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 5: So I got in the middle of the living room. 437 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 5: I was scared to death. 438 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 8: Didn't turn on the lights, and I said, whatever you are, 439 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 8: whoever you are, you have chased my life for too long. 440 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 8: This is my apartment. I paid the bills, so get 441 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 8: help in Jesus name. And I just stood there and 442 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 8: it's like something just broke. 443 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: I never had that that's so good. 444 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 8: So there's a difference between getting out of Egypt when 445 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 8: Moses comes and all you've got to do is help 446 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 8: me Moses and somebody praying for you. You're like, man, 447 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 8: I need help, somebody prays for you. But when you 448 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 8: get to the Promised Land, you need to fight, you 449 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 8: need to resist, you need to come against it. 450 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: A lot of people talk about possession, then they talk 451 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 3: about oppression. 452 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 5: So I was wondering, if. 453 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 3: You could just tell me real quick, what is the difference. 454 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 3: How can a Christian is if it's even possible for 455 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 3: a Christian to be possessed, but how can How is 456 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: oppression different than the possession? 457 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 8: So biblically speaking, there's only one word, and it's demonization. 458 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 8: So in our circles, and if I could just be 459 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 8: frank and honest to help us swallow this better. 460 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 5: It's not about in and out any broke it down. 461 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 8: Oppression is what Christians health. Possession is what non Christians have. 462 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 8: Biblically speaking, there's no such a thing. King James did 463 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 8: injustice by translating it like that, And the word possession 464 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 8: carries a lot of emotional baggage because of movies and 465 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 8: TV shows. Biblically speaking, is demonization at various degrees, where 466 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 8: certain people can be demonized at a very small degree, 467 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 8: and then there is a very heavy degree. So where 468 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 8: there's an obsession, there's an oppression, where there is a 469 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 8: total domination. But biblically speaking, is really demonization. Do demons 470 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 8: own us? No? Do demons own anything? I don't think so. Like, 471 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 8: even if they will gain a control of a person 472 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 8: who's not a believer, do they own that person. They 473 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 8: didn't create that person. So I would argue demons don't 474 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 8: own anything. They're just simply thieves and killers spiders. 475 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 5: But they could get a control to a degree. Like 476 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 5: remember when the woman came to. 477 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 8: Jesus and said, my daughter is severely Now. 478 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 5: The word there is demonized. 479 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 8: It's the same word that is used for every case 480 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 8: Jesus dealt with when people had demons. And so the 481 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 8: biblical terminology is demonization of And the idea is that 482 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 8: in dwelling demon that is influencing or controlling a person 483 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 8: at various degrees, and the remedy for that is getting 484 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 8: demons out of that person through deliverance with the power 485 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 8: of the name of Jesus. 486 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 2: That's so good, Dorothy. 487 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 5: Yes. 488 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 4: In your book you talk about two world views, you 489 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 4: talk about the blueprint and warfare. What is the difference 490 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 4: between the two. 491 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 8: One believes is that and it's a hyper Calvinism, and 492 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 8: Saint Augustine really helped to while he contributed to Christianity 493 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 8: in a mighty way, but also brought this more of 494 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 8: a Greek view, is that everything is predecided by God 495 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 8: and you pretty much are passive spectator into everything happens 496 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 8: for a reason, and we use those phrases everything is 497 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 8: pretty much God's will. So what you're doing is you 498 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 8: just you just follow your hand and let everything happen. 499 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 5: That's it supposed to be. 500 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 8: The warfare world view says that there's evil in this world. 501 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 8: The world that we see today is not the world 502 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 8: God intended it to be. Accidents, abuse, hurt, wars are 503 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 8: not God's perfect will. They're simply the war that is 504 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 8: taking place. And we are not spectators. We're not passive, 505 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 8: we're active. We don't pray prayers of resignation. We pray 506 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 8: a prayer of revolt. We fight against let your kingdom come, 507 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 8: you will be done, which means we agree what we 508 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 8: see is not what God wanted to see. 509 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 5: So we fight against that. 510 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 8: We do get medical treatment, why because cancer is not good. 511 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 8: We don't receive it as a gift from God and say, Lord, 512 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 8: just teach me something through it. We go get the 513 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 8: best treatments that we can. We pray against it. We 514 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 8: stand in the gap. And so it's better to be 515 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 8: a warrior in the garden than to be a gardener 516 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 8: at war. 517 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 5: It's better to this warfare. 518 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 8: Mentality if you never have to fight, the fact that 519 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 8: you're ready. 520 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 5: Is better versus. 521 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 8: Many Christians view Christian life as like a Disney vacation. 522 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 5: It's like everything is. 523 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 8: About my comfort, no wonder when things don't turn not 524 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 8: really well, they get met at God. 525 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 5: And so think about it. 526 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 8: If you would go to an Normandy beach, end up 527 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 8: a Normandy beach during World War expecting it to be 528 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 8: a Disney vacation, you'll be disappointed. But if you're on 529 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 8: the Normandy beach and you had one peaceful day, you 530 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 8: know how grateful you would be that that day no 531 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 8: bullet shot you. So when you see the world as warfare, 532 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 8: you thank God for good days and the bad days. 533 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 8: You know it's part of the war that we're living in. 534 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 8: When you see the world as blueprint. Every bad day 535 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 8: you blame God for. 536 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 2: So good, so good. 537 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: Well we are out of Tom So good Lad's book 538 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: Make the Devil Homeless. If you want to learn more 539 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: about it, you need to read about it. 540 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 5: It's not that scary, it's not that scary. 541 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all right, Well, you know Revelation twelve 542 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: to eleven says that we overcome by the blood of 543 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: the Lamb and the word of our testimony. I want 544 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: you to remember that you can't have freedom without the 545 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: Deliverer in your heart. So if you haven't invited him 546 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: into your heart to be lord of your life, you 547 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: can do that right now where you are. 548 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:56,719 Speaker 2: Listen. 549 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: I want to ask his question, if you were to 550 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: die tomorrow, would you spend eternity? Do you know the 551 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: answer to that question. If you don't, then I'm just 552 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm just compelling you to listen to what we're talking 553 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: about today and invite Jesus in. He's so simple. You 554 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: just say this little prayer you repeat after me, Dear Jesus, Jesus. 555 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm a sinner. I'm a sinner, and I'm going to 556 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: ask you today. I'm gonna ask you to come in 557 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: my heart and forgive me wash. 558 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: Away my sins. I believe you died on the cross 559 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 2: and you rose again. 560 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 5: And he rose again. 561 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for being lord of my life. Lord, 562 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: I make you lord of my life. I make you 563 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: lord of me right now, right now, in Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. 564 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 2: Amen. 565 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 5: All right. 566 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 2: It's just that simple. 567 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: I always say, my grandpa just said, God, if you're 568 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: there to pray, you talk about curses like they had 569 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: run alcohol across the state lines back, you know, in 570 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: the in the forties, and and there was all kind 571 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: of crazy stuff that went on in the family. But 572 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: when Grandpa said, God, if you're there, change the trajectory 573 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: of our family, and all of his kids and grandkids 574 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: would be saved because of his decision. 575 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: That can happen with you. 576 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: If you've experienced God's delivering power in your life, if 577 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: you prayed that prayer today, then I want you to 578 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: call that number that's on the screen. I do want 579 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: to thank a pastor of lad for joining us at 580 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: the table. 581 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: Be sure to pick up a copy of his. 582 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: Book, Make the Devil Homeless and Biblical Act Guide to 583 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: Deliverance from Demons and for more. You can visit him 584 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: online at Pastorflad dot org. Again, call that number on 585 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: the screen. If you pray that prayer. I'd love to 586 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: send you the Book of John. The Gospel of John 587 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: is a great place to start as a new believer. 588 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: It's absolutely free. I want to do that for you. 589 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: But callin let us know that you accepted Jesus. Also 590 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: remember to follow us on all social media, subscribe to 591 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: our YouTube channel for full episodes, exclusive content, and let 592 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: us know our table Talk is touch in your life. 593 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: We love hearing from you. Can also listen to the 594 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: Jonny Table Talk podcast. 595 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: Available now on all the major platforms. 596 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 5: Again, what we. 597 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 2: Talked about is not a scary thing. 598 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: God is greater than any demon, than any darkness and 599 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: any struggle. 600 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 2: Okay, so just be encouraged today. 601 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 5: We love you. 602 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Flad. 603 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: Make sure you come back and share more stories with us. 604 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: We always love having you. Thank you so much for watching. 605 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: Thank you ladies, until next time, Bye bye for today.