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Speaker 1: But good news is that she did have the baby,

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Speaker 1: on the show. Now. Um, what things to get into

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Speaker 1: So Monday, right before midnight, the last of the U. S.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that was the moment that I was like,

427
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we can't. I can't do this anymore.

428
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: And uh I had I was required to do it

429
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: for the most part. So in the and I mean,

430
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: I would imagine that that just bad after that. So

431
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: like that's that same that scenario that you described was

432
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: probably repeated. And before that it happened an times. I

433
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: don't know how many times. But and we weren't really

434
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: an enter a room in clear building and then go

435
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: house my house unit. We had a target, we thought

436
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: they were potentially okay, affiliated we landed at nighttime. It

437
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: was really well orchestrated. Um, we were a Jaysack unit,

438
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: so we were proud of the Joint Special Operations. Um,

439
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: it was a really big deal if we went to

440
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: a place. So we took it all seriously. So they

441
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: were all serious to me until that one. And then

442
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: seeing that they didn't even have like a computer or

443
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: any magazines or any weapons or really that that's his account.

444
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: He didn't even have a round for the thing. They

445
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: cleared it right in front of me and it was

446
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: like click, like, oh my gosh, this is like a

447
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: decorative thing they found on the wall that's in We

448
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: did this to that whole family kids are crying. It's

449
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: like two or three, I don't know what time in

450
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: the morning, but oh man, it was awful. But that

451
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 1: one pretty much kind of set me for life. I think, like,

452
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: this is none of this is right. I don't know

453
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: what we're doing, but this is not like selective and

454
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: focused enough for what we think our mission is. Yeah,

455
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: so I mean so then, I mean, I know we

456
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: kind of glazed over it. But you know, how did

457
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: you how did you end up joining the middle? You know,

458
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: because because obviously if you if you joined before even happened,

459
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: then it wasn't like a reaction to time. It was

460
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: I do a lot of things for the moment. I

461
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: don't think I have anything diagnosable, but I am very

462
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: I don't sit down. Uh. I have a watch, like

463
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: a Samsung watch my wife gave me. I get like

464
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: twenties steps today minimum. Um like top one per cent

465
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: when you like check it on the phone. I don't

466
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: know what's wrong with me. I've always been like this. Um.

467
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: I felt like I was stuck in Sebastian, Florida, and

468
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: I didn't like see away other than college. But that

469
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: was such a long road to get out of a town, right.

470
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: I was like, Nope, joining the military, and and that

471
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: wasn't enough in my head. I was like, what's the

472
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: hardest thing you have? And they were like rangers. I

473
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: was like, dope, that's what we're gonna do. And I

474
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, what am I thinking? And

475
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: I had like all these bonuses contingent if I made it,

476
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: which is a good incentive, but I didn't care, Like

477
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: that's not why I went there. And it all kind

478
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: of played out like I imagined it minus kind of

479
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: the ending right, Like I never would have thought that

480
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: i'd feel remorse for like representing my nation in some way.

481
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: I think I might have been more patriotic then. I

482
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: don't know. So you've been out, Well that's good. Tu

483
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna get back to that. That's interesting. But um,

484
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: so you've been out since two thousand five. That's a

485
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: long ass time that that war has still been going.

486
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean we're literally sitting here involving five that you

487
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: got out and the war just ended Monday. I bring

488
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: this up like every day. I don't know how to

489
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: other people to about it. What did it feel like?

490
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: You know, just year after year and like we we

491
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: both you know, we both have mutual friends who had

492
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: to go back when you were out that they lost

493
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: their lives that didn't come back. You know what. So

494
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: what has it been like for you in the last

495
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: what is that fifteen sixteen years to have to just

496
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: like see year after year like, oh man, this ship

497
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: is still going on sho It seemed every incentive possible

498
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: seems like it was moving us towards just living there.

499
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: By that, I mean, I can't imagine a contract or

500
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: contracting company. I mean imagine the airplanes being built for

501
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: the mility like I couldn't like at the scope of

502
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: it seems so large that I thought that even when

503
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: Biden said that we were getting out, when Trump said it,

504
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: when Obama said it was like no way, there's no way.

505
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: There's too much of our economy is tied in this,

506
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: and I thought that no president would ever be able

507
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: to follow through like gets almost political suicide. And the

508
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: way that Biden, I think, is experiencing it. And I

509
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: can't imagine it would go different no matter who made

510
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: this stroke. Well, I don't know. I feel like if

511
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: Trump made this choice, it could have gone way worse.

512
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I feel like to pull out on this

513
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: would have been like see you when I see whoever,

514
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: American troops, American people who helped us, doesn't matter. They

515
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: all would have been left there to just no negotiation.

516
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I can't wait to ask you

517
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: about some of the political implications of this whole ship.

518
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: But um, so, you know, the war has been going on,

519
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: it kept going on over all the years and everything.

520
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: How difficult is it for you to like keep a

521
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: line on on things that are perhaps going on or

522
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: is that something that you just kind of close out

523
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: of your head. Have you tried to like keep tabs

524
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: on what's going on in Afghanistan in the last like

525
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: six years? It doesn't exist. Trump just engulfed all of

526
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: the media in a way that kind of sucked up

527
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: any valid story. Like uh, I would literally like I

528
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: was literally just about to say that, like I w was.

529
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: I did used to follow it actually quite closely until

530
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: Trump became president and then it kind of and yeah,

531
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: like it's impossible it was And I would have to

532
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: go through like al Ja zero a lot to get

533
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: any updates because they seem to just you know, they

534
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: are also paying attention to American politics, but they would

535
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: give you a little third party view of it, so

536
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: sometimes you would get more information, but um, other than that, yeah,

537
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: it seemed like we just that was what us is.

538
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: We occupy Afghanistan as a as an identity. Yeah, you

539
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So what do you what do

540
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: you think about the the chaos that's going on there

541
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: now with the with the troops pulling out in the

542
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: Taliban taking over again, Like, for example, you have like

543
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: a lot of national security specialists and experts and analysts

544
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: that are on the Big three networks seven that are like, hey, man,

545
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: now you're about to create a playground for al Qaeda

546
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: and K pop and nothing hurts. Generation X is gonna

547
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 1: come in there and everyone's gonna take it over and

548
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: the whole entire ship is gonna be like like Afghanistan

549
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: is going to be escaped from New York. And it's disgusting.

550
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: It's a really fucking disgusting How can they they know

551
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: the implications of what they're saying. They know that they're

552
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: saying that we should be an endless war. What they're

553
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: not mentioning is a single life on either side, whether

554
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: it's the troops that pay the price or for this

555
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: nation or the people that we invade on the other

556
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: side or occupy, because that's that's the dirty truth. It

557
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if we invade or occupy, people are gonna die.

558
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what anybody thinks is gonna happen. War

559
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: hasn't been a pretty thing ever, and it won't be

560
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: in the future when it's just drones in fucking robots.

561
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: Whoever doesn't have those will die. I don't know what

562
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: anybody thinks it's going to be. And it's never been

563
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: better than the people online in the Civil War shooting

564
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: muskets at each other. It's the same ship. It hasn't changed.

565
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: It's just new ways to do it, and they figure

566
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: out some of our ways, so the numbers kind of

567
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: feel the same, to be honest. And it's disgusting as

568
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: fun to me that all of these people and I

569
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: don't know what their financial ties are, and I feel

570
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: like saying that out loud. I should probably look into this,

571
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's gonna anger me more. I

572
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: feel like they're gonna be tied to in not in

573
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: a conspiratorial way, but the everything is because they're contracted

574
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: now the military industrial complex and not like Jimmy doer.

575
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna blame everything on them, but I mean

576
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: anything that's a part of their media, right, right, any

577
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: part of Like if you're advocating for what we've been

578
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: doing to save human life, get the funk out of here,

579
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: Like that's it, Like you're fucking gross. Get the funk

580
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: off the air. What's wrong with you? It's already happened.

581
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: Why can't It's just like the anti masks though, the

582
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: reality is there's a virus. The reality is we pulled

583
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: out out of Afghanistan. What do we do now? Like

584
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: that's it? Just is I don't know what to tell you.

585
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: I can't make it go away. It happened. Can we

586
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: deal with it better? Sure? Maybe I don't know. Um,

587
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: let's say Trump pulled us out of Afghanistan. I thought

588
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: about this a lot when Trump was running. I think

589
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: me and you even had an argument around that time

590
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: where I was like, maybe something's aren't as bad. He

591
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: sounds like a normal Republican to me, and the way

592
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: that I hate them, and he sounds disgusting, um man,

593
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: I've said that a lot. Sorry, um, and I don't know.

594
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: You were right, he was more disgusting, and the thought

595
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: of him pulling out of war is not the same. Um,

596
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: not the same at all. Uh. There's like a key

597
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: and Peel skit. I don't know if you've seen it recently.

598
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: It's got like Neil Degrass Tyson in it, and it's like, hell,

599
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: Neil Degrass Tyson is at home and you know they're

600
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: doing their normal key on Peels stuff, and that's fine.

601
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: But at the end of it there's like a part

602
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: where he's been you know, there's been a bit of infidelity,

603
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: and he goes on to explain how the universe works

604
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: to get out of it. And I was like, Yo,

605
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: that's hilarious. But if Sean Hannity did this skit, it

606
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: would be like super racist to me. And I just

607
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't give him that amount of credibility. And that's

608
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, I've seen Trump in the

609
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: same way, like it doesn't matter what he does, I

610
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: just don't give him the credibility to have handled it. Well. Well,

611
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean the thing now is that at least from

612
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: at least from how it looks to me, it looks

613
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: like the Republicans are really about to go all in

614
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: on we should be going to war more you know

615
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, man, even Socrats. I mean, you

616
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: just brought it up. But like obviously if I mean,

617
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: here's the thing. The thing is, we know that the

618
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: Big three are going to push it just as hard.

619
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: We all know what their incentives and motivations are. And

620
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: the Democrats who are out there talking that ship, we

621
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: know what's up with them too. But what I'm saying

622
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: is the Republicans, by like definition of being you know,

623
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: bizarro Democrats and everything that therefore we're against, they're kind

624
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: of like straight up being like, well they pulled out,

625
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: Oh well, then we think we should go in. And

626
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: if that ends up being the fight, I don't know that.

627
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: Like three years is a long time. Three years is

628
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: a long way away. But if the next whoever is

629
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: running for president, if it ends up being like the

630
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: Republicans are like, yeah, we should go to war, I

631
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a good political strategy. I think

632
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: that might be taken. The owning the Libs thing that's

633
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: going to make them lose a lot of a lot

634
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: of elections if they're like really gonna be running on yo,

635
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: we need to go back to Afghanistan to own the

636
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: Libs I don't know if that's it's not. I don't

637
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: think it would fly. I didn't even think about it

638
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: in that way. But that's it's hilarious. It seems like

639
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: Trump's whole presidency was let's own the Libs. That's all

640
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: that was. Like, it felt like it was nothing else.

641
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: And if it was like like ruler that just happens

642
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: to go authoritarian, Fine, We're cool with that, even if

643
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: it's super hypocritical, even though I realized now that they're

644
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: just about power or not, like they don't care about

645
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: how prophecy in the same way, well straight, just like Jennison,

646
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: a congressman on the left, like, oh you looked at

647
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: a picture, NA get at here. That's that's it. They're

648
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: they're not The Republicans are not like honest actors and

649
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: not at all. So what do you think you know?

650
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 1: Just from from as much as you have been able

651
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: to keep up with Afghanistan over the year since you've

652
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: been out, just like and from what you've seen in

653
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: the news of what's going on today, where do you

654
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: think it's headed? Like, what do you think is gonna happen?

655
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: Do you like, do you think do you think that

656
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: in two years. Do you think of two years that

657
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to or at least the powers that

658
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: we are going to present that we have to send

659
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: troops back. Do you think it's gonna become a terrorist haven?

660
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: But no, I don't think it will be an all right.

661
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it will be any more of a

662
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: terrorist saving than it is than it was before we

663
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: went in. And I don't think it was any more

664
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: of a terrorist saven then than surrounding six countries in

665
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: the Middle East were at the time that we chose

666
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: not to invade, including one of those being the Like

667
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: was it the people who flew the planes into the

668
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: twin towers in the first right, I was trying not

669
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: to be. I was being a little coy, but yes, right, So,

670
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. Um, I think it's gonna

671
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: end up exactly like it was. I think that. So

672
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: if you don't, I don't know. Do you know a

673
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: lot about right before all this happened, even like the eighties? Right, Um,

674
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: there's like a there's a lot to happen in Afghanistan.

675
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: For everybody's heard that, like, uh, A lot of countries

676
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: have gone into Afghanistan and like not withstood Afghanistan. It's

677
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: not just like a harsh environment. It's just that so

678
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: many countries have had interested in it. From Persia, They've

679
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: been Persian twice, they were part of India once, they

680
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: were part of Britain once. Um, the Mongols destroyed all

681
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: of Afghanistan at one point. But that's nothing compared to

682
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: they had like a feminism before feminine feminism was cool,

683
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: like so in the sixth season when it was big here,

684
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: they had kind of a communist movement there. And who

685
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: glomed onto that were the younger people in Afghanistan. And

686
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: who noticed that was Russia. Who noticed that was China.

687
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: They got tons of money at the time. And I'm

688
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: not sure how much of this is just PBS history

689
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: that I've taken in over the years, and so please

690
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: do your own research on this. But as far as

691
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: I know, like, uh, there was once the king was

692
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: deposed at the time, was taken over by a mostly

693
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: communist government of people who didn't know what to do

694
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: with the country at the time, that had hell of funding. Um,

695
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: they didn't handle it well as you can imagine. It

696
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 1: was the first time taking over their country. Um, mostly rural.

697
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: Like I said before, even back then with just Kabul

698
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: being like the New York of all of Afghanistan, and

699
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: that's who was ruling it. So most of the rural

700
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 1: communities did what our rural communities are southern rural communities

701
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: like to do and make little posts of people armed

702
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: to the teeth, spouting like crazy extremist fundamentalism. And then

703
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: they just took back over the government from them people.

704
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: And then the Communists came back in. They're like, oh no,

705
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: we're not gonna take that. At the time, I think

706
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: we called in the Mujahadeen, and then Americans were like,

707
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: oh well, let's keep communists at bay. Were super anti communists,

708
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: and then we threw them money to keep Russia at bay,

709
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: and then they became al Qaeda. That's who we know today.

710
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: I think it's just gonna follow the same pattern. Another

711
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: nation's probably in a second when we pull out. Um.

712
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: I think that we knew when we set up the

713
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: Afghanian government it's not a well organized nation enough around

714
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: the outskirts of Coble to ever have anything formalized that

715
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: all the people around cable will listen to, because as

716
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: we well learned with Trump, I think that we know

717
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: now that a lot of stuff goes without saying in

718
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: the United States that we we think the powers that

719
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: we are gonna like hold people to account. So we

720
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: all kind of stay reserved and don't like flood in

721
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: the Capitol. But some of us don't think that, and

722
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: some of us believe all the lies and do flood

723
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: the capitol. Like I'm just saying that, if you think

724
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: that happens here, what do you think happens when most

725
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: people don't live in a city and they don't get information,

726
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: they don't have TVs. I don't know there, I think

727
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: they We're just gonna go right back to how it

728
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: was before we went there. Word man, Well, thank you

729
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: for talking to me about you know, we're gonna take

730
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a little break. But when we come back,

731
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: since my man's you know, a lot heads don't know, right,

732
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: Like the reason that I was able to get like

733
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: that little bit of a of a start in my

734
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: rap career way back in the day was because of

735
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: this dude, you know what I mean? Like John is

736
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: a huge hip hop enthusiasts, and we have endless conversations

737
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: about rap all the time. But we're gonna like talk

738
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: about some ship that I mentioned at the beginning of

739
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: the show. We're gonna do a little bit of a

740
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: I don't even want to give y'all any false advertisement

741
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: by saying this is a deep dive, but we're gonna

742
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: talk about Kanye's Donda after the break. So y'all stay too,

743
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: all right, and we are back. It is time for

744
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: the music discussion. And I still got my homie John Hannah,

745
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: who's sticking around with us. We talked about all that

746
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: Afghanistan death and raids and bombings and ships. So now

747
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna, well, I guess talking about Kanye West isn't

748
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: necessarily better, but anyway, we're gonna, we're gonna, We're gona

749
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: talk about the album Donda, So just generally, what are

750
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: your thoughts? What do you think about it? Because it

751
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: feels the other day like so I should feel like

752
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: I should compliment Sandwich this by saying there are some

753
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: tracks I love, but it's just one second. I told

754
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: him the other day, like, Yo, can you check out

755
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: the album so that we can talk about it on

756
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: the show. He's like, yeah, I got you, and then

757
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: I hit him out. I don't know how long. How

758
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: long later, I was like Yo, did you hear it?

759
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: And he's like, man, this is like way longer than

760
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be, but we got we

761
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: had to record this ship tomorrow. I can't talk about

762
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: it now, but yeah, So generally, what are your thoughts?

763
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: What you thought? Man? All right, I don't want to

764
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: be super mean, but compliments Sandwich. There's some tracks I

765
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: love because he kind of seems to go like Southern

766
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: trap in the beginning of it, and it's not so

767
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: much religious in the beginning. I like that bit about it. Um,

768
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: but man, it's a mess. I don't know. It's all

769
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: over a Matt dude. And then there's like something to

770
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: bother me and like every track once I heard it,

771
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: and like the third or fourth track, it's like there

772
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: were cuss words in there and he cut it out

773
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: like I got a Walmart album from a long time

774
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: ago and I was jamming and I'm like, wait a minute,

775
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: I don't like this, but all like it drove me

776
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: nuts after a while. That might that might be there's

777
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: there might be a little bit of trivia that you

778
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: are not privy to that would explain that. So he

779
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: apparently did a thing where he's like, I'm only making

780
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: gospel music and I'm not making secular music anymore. So

781
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: the edited out curse words, I guess that's like how

782
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: it is, right, but if you know you're gonna make

783
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: it like I did hear that, and I knew that

784
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: going in, and I was like, I don't mind, right,

785
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: But then like he had the choice not to. You

786
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: could have just done something else. Yeah, you could have

787
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: just not said it. But like at first I thought

788
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: when I first heard it, I really thought that, like, oh,

789
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: so like you could do had the edits in there,

790
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: and just like it's meaningful, right, And in the first

791
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: I heard it, I'm like, Okay, maybe he's gonna work

792
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: this in. It's gonna be like meaningful religiously. Like no,

793
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: he never references it. It just happens every not every track,

794
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: but but there is Oh sorry, go ahead, go ahead,

795
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, banger. So I have I do have a question.

796
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: I didn't research it yet, but is Lauren Hill really

797
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 1: does she feature on or is that just the same

798
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: she's on with the whole track? For me, it was

799
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: so good, I was so happy the most I smiled

800
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: the whole album just for an explanation. Is there a

801
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: little bit Lauren Hills. I know, but it was like

802
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: she got a she got a verse on the New Nose.

803
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: If you haven't heard, no, I didn't hear. Yeah, she

804
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: drops like a full like sixteen or twenty four or

805
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: something like that. But it's a pretty fire verse. It

806
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like that just reminded me he has. There's

807
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: a verse on a song, and I can't remember the song.

808
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: I will will look. I wrote it down somewhere, but

809
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: versu it's at the very end. He says that we

810
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: know that Adam wasn't black because he would never have

811
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: shared his ribs. And I don't know if you remember

812
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: a conversation earlier, like I flipped. So it's not on purpose.

813
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: It's not on purpose, but I flipped everything people say

814
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: to me sometimes, like I'll reverse roles. It's like a

815
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: check on myself. Like if I say something kind of gross,

816
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: I'll catch myself because I'll reword it. I'll be like, oh,

817
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: if Max said that, it might have been all right,

818
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: but that's disgusting. I can't believe I said that. When

819
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: he said that, I was like, oh my god, I

820
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: can't listen to like I don't know it, like fucked

821
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: up the whole next song, I don't even know what

822
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: like full song goes by and I'm just thinking about

823
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: that verse at the end drove me nuts. And like again,

824
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: if said that, he would be canceled and justifiably. So

825
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, well, I mean, you know, I mean, look,

826
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: this is you know, Kanye is like a recurring character

827
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Asked just because you know, oh the

828
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: motherfucker actively was trying to help Nazis like months ago. Yeah,

829
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: oh man, do you remember? All right? So when we

830
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: just talked about Afghanistan, I brought up the key of Belski,

831
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: same thing, like, I don't give him the credibility when

832
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: he says things. So when he said that line, it

833
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: wasn't like if like Na said it, maybe I would

834
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: have taken oh man, or like DMX, who handled two

835
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: religious albums great, like nobody realizes that his first two

836
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: albums were full of religious iconography and handled just masterfully right,

837
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: um the Mickey skid or if nobody's ever heard it,

838
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: like no little Nikki anyway, it doesn't matter, but I

839
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: give him credibility when he says things. But when Kanye

840
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: says it, I don't. I don't know I'm gonna come clean, Okay.

841
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: I have somewhat of attained listen to this album because

842
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: everybody was talking about the fun in live stream and

843
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: the ship that they were doing at the stadium with

844
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: the listening and stuff. And then I heard like the

845
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: Baby and Marilyn Manson came out on stage, so I

846
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: listened to the I wanted to kill two birds with

847
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: one stone, so I listened to the album like watching

848
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Speaker 1: the live stream of that stadium event. So I granted,

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Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily get to like really delve into the

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Speaker 1: minutia of the lyrics because I was, you know that

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Speaker 1: I had the visuals with me, and I was like

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Speaker 1: looking at the visuals and listening to the songs. My

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00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: general I feel like the beats are really nothing right.

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00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: The beats are knocking, and there's definitely some flows that

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Speaker 1: I was here and I was like, hey, this slaps.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing right, here's the thing right. It's

857
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Speaker 1: like if my if if an artist that I like

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Speaker 1: does something outside of music that's bad, there's certain times

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00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: when I can come partamentalize it and it's like, oh,

860
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 1: it doesn't affect how I take in their art. It's

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00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: not that way. With rap, It's not that for me.

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00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: It's not that way with rapping or writers any anything

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00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: that requires like an artist to be like to write,

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00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: to be a writer, then your personality and your personal

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Speaker 1: life kind of affects how I take in your art.

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Speaker 1: That's just me. I'm not telling anybody now. Granted, I'm

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Speaker 1: not the sort of person who's gonna be like this

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Speaker 1: is just this is just me. I'm just being honest.

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00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm not the sort of person is going to be like, oh, man, um,

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Speaker 1: this dude got a d U I So I'm not

871
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: listening to a ship anymore. That's you know. But if

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00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: you tell me, yo, this dude was trying to help

873
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: fascists take over the country, then I'm like, this dude

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00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: was helping, you know, like helping the people who spread

875
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: COVID disinformation and got six thousand people. For me, personally,

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00:49:53,800 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: your beats cannot be dope enough. I'm not gonna remember that. Man.

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00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: I have to look for my list. Oh there's a

878
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: dope song, all right. So full disclosure, I'm already biased

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00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm atheists. I'm not at all religious in

880
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: any way. In fact, I'm almost antitheists in some ways.

881
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: But the Jesus Lives track, it's kind of dope. I mean,

882
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: I don't it's not he didn't handle it well. I

883
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: feel like in the hands of someone else. It's almost

884
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: like the production of some of it is so good.

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00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: It needs like another artist that I like. But man,

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00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: that fired. There was a piano track that is ridiculous.

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00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: There's like all Kanye albums though, I'm pretty sure that

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00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: at least for the next five years, you're gonna be

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00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: here in different rappers spitting versus over these beats. So

890
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you'll you'll get to do.

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Speaker 1: That made me hopeful, That makes me unfortunately, I don't know.

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00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: I feel like other people are gonna think it's hot. Honestly,

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00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: I think other people are gonna love it. It's like

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00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: it's the number one. It's it's like I'm not even

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00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: saying that I don't like it. I'm just saying no,

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Speaker 1: I don't like Kanye. Yeah, it makes me not like it.

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Speaker 1: You know now, now, just from what I heard objectively,

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Speaker 1: if I did like Kanye, I would kind of feel like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, there's not I'm going on though, like

900
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,479
Speaker 1: we should eat time one day, maybe not live. But

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00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: I have some thoughts because I mean I listened lyrically,

902
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: I was really listening to it. I don't know. There's

903
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: I gotta do another. He has no self awareness, is

904
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: my problem. And every time he says something, it's like obvious.

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00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: Even if the song is about being enlightened and and

906
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: following Jesus and emulating him, that's not what he's talking

907
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: about in front of that, And then the hook goes

908
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: into I don't know. I just it's too much my

909
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: mind care. I don't know. I try to really listen

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00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: when someone talks. I want you to tell me what

911
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: part of Jesus's message is. Candice Owens tell me that

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00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: I want it now anyway, if I had to give

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Speaker 1: it a letter grade, if I had to, if I

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Speaker 1: had to give my listen of Donda a letter grade,

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00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Donda a B minus. Personally, what are

916
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 1: you giving it? And he thought he had better things

917
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: to say about that. I didn't. He gave it a

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Speaker 1: see and I gave it a B minus. So maybe

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00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm getting soft to other people gonna love it. But

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Speaker 1: that is our episode today. Once again, everybody you know,

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Speaker 1: go on Instagram, send your love and your thoughts to

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Speaker 1: Mariah and the new bundle of joy that she's brought

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Speaker 1: in the in the world. And you know, maybe one

924
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: day we'll have John back on and then the three

925
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Speaker 1: of us can have an in depth conversation about Kanye

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Speaker 1: just you know, I don't even know if I want

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Speaker 1: to do that. We talked about Kanye to god damn

928
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Speaker 1: much on this podcast. Starting to feel like the anyway. Uh,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna end this the way we end everything, and

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Speaker 1: that is going to be with some rapidy raps your Joe,

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Speaker 1: can you kick a beat? Uh? Yeah, yeah, yeah? You

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Speaker 1: host this. Stevens a d o P with the E

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Speaker 1: and a brock like and lou C d I use

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Speaker 1: all three brains, long mouth, and I'm so dope that

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Speaker 1: they stay strong out. Hey, don't shout. I want a

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Speaker 1: little piece. At least we could just pull out the

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Speaker 1: Middle East, but we probably won't at the will of

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Speaker 1: the elite air prints Bush and all of these little creeps. Hey,

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Speaker 1: this is dope Knife And you've been listening to Waiting

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Speaker 1: on Reparations, See y'all next week. Waiting on Reparations is

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