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Speaker 1: the recent news that has come out that was covered

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Concepcio, and welcome to x ray Vision,

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Speaker 1: the Crooked podcast where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 1: comic books, pop culture, and more. In today's episode, we're

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Speaker 2: In the omnibus.

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Speaker 1: I'll be talking about some of the history behind Mark

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Speaker 1: Specter the Moonnight, a character whose solo standalone show on

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Speaker 1: will also explore the soon to be released, very very

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Speaker 1: soon to be released datation of Robert Jordan's Wheel of

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Speaker 1: the very talented, very knowledgeable Precy Chibber, who has her

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Speaker 1: round of Assembly required, where we try and assemble a

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Speaker 1: our fantastic producers. And then finally, a little plug for

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Speaker 1: ourselves with shang Chi now out on Disney Plus. If

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Speaker 2: The Disney Plus Day.

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Speaker 1: The first annual Disney Plus Day was November twelfth, and

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Speaker 1: Disney's continuing bid to dominate our lives put us in

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Speaker 1: for fans of the stuff. Joining us now is Rosie

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of it. There's a lot of it,

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Speaker 1: Are there problems? Do we need to think about our

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Speaker 1: Of course, sure, we should think about that. But also

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Speaker 2: What can I say? I don't know what to say

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Speaker 4: Like we've loved this stuff since when you know Marvel

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Speaker 1: That's a great point because at the time people forget

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Speaker 1: It was announced a few days ago that Doctor Strange

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Speaker 4: like the kind of throwback to the old Holk TV

438
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Speaker 4: show where they're standing next to each other and that

439
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 4: you wouldn't light me when you but it had that cool,

440
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 4: like old school feel. So I'm I'm excited for that

441
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 4: because I think some of the stuff that resonates with

442
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 4: people the most in the MCU is when they try

443
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 4: and do something different genre wise. It's why people love

444
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 4: Captain America and When Soldiers so much, because it felt

445
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 4: like this spy kind of you know, espionage thriller. It's

446
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Speaker 4: why Wonder kind of blew people's minds. And I think

447
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 4: that we haven't really had that broad kind of dramedy

448
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 4: fun yet, and I think that's what She Hulk is

449
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Speaker 4: going to give us, So I'm stoked for it.

450
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Speaker 1: Next up is the teaser for Miss Marvel, which is

451
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Speaker 1: coming out summer twenty twenty two. Aman Vaalani playing the

452
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Speaker 1: titular Miss Marvel Kamalokon so okay. This is from a

453
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Speaker 1: period of Marvel history where it was like unclear whether

454
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Speaker 1: Marvel would ever get the movie rights back to the

455
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Speaker 1: X Men. So it seemed as if they were positioning

456
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Speaker 1: the inhumans to be the kind of like mutants for

457
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Speaker 1: the MCU, and they were laying the groundwork for that

458
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Speaker 1: in the comics. Of the ways they laid the groundwork

459
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Speaker 1: for that was the releasing of a terrogen bomb. Terrigen

460
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Speaker 1: mist is the kind of substance that reveals and inhumans

461
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: powers specific power set and this bomb was set off,

462
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Speaker 1: you know, like over New York City and one of

463
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Speaker 1: the result of it was that Kamal Khan developed these

464
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: kind of I guess like the most simplistic version of

465
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Speaker 1: shape shifting powers.

466
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a really fun series, a really great character.

467
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Speaker 1: She is from Jersey City, Pakistani American and of the

468
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: Muslim religion, and it's just like a super fun It

469
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: has been a super fun character. And the solo series,

470
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: the initial solo series was super Yeah.

471
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Speaker 4: It's kind of hard to overstate like how successful this

472
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Speaker 4: book was as well. So it was Sana Armat who's

473
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Speaker 4: an editor, Stephen Wacker, whos an editor, and g Willow

474
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 4: Wilson was the writer. Adrian Alfono and Jamie McKelvey designed

475
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 4: the iconic costume. And when this book came out, this

476
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 4: is the constant query of Marvel. How do we create

477
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Speaker 4: a new Spider Man. That's always what they say every

478
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Speaker 4: ten years, They're like, how do we create a new

479
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Speaker 4: Spider Man who's the street level hero that's gonna kind

480
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 4: of hit? And it was Speedball, Yeah, exactly like they tried,

481
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Speaker 4: and they tried, but Mice Marvel hit I remember the time.

482
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Speaker 4: I think it was one of the first Marvel comics

483
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Speaker 4: in a while. This was before the kind of new

484
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 4: speculation that comic. The first issue went to six or

485
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 4: seven printings set, and it was the first time it

486
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 4: had happened in such I think since the Star Wars

487
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 4: comic that they'd done one of the relaunchers, and it

488
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 4: is just like this comic was like a phenomenon. It

489
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 4: has a really fun premise which connected to another really

490
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 4: successful comic. Kamala is a fan she's a fanfic writer.

491
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Speaker 4: She loves Captain Marvel, she loves Wolverine, so you got

492
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 4: to have all these fun It was a really good

493
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Speaker 4: way of introducing a new character who had all these

494
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Speaker 4: deep connections to the wider Marvel universe, which is again,

495
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Speaker 4: is this show going to be in that space where

496
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 4: this could be another place where they could introduce some

497
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Speaker 4: other Marvel characters that people love, because that's such her

498
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 4: fandom and her love of these characters is like a huge,

499
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 4: huge part of who Kamala is. I thought this teaser

500
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 4: was like super super cute. What did you think about it? Yeah?

501
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Speaker 2: I liked it as well.

502
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: I love the you hit on it to kind of fandom,

503
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: the meta commentary of the characters.

504
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: One of the most fun things.

505
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: About Marvel Comics characters within the universe is like how

506
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: famous they are and how they react to be famous. Now,

507
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: sometimes there's these weird discordant notes where it's like Wolverine

508
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: and like Colossus drinking at a bar in Manhattan and.

509
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: Nobody bothers them.

510
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Speaker 1: But a lot of times you get really fun depictions

511
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: like this, like Kamala, who is like a super fan

512
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: of superheroes, and so that aspect of it is gonna

513
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: be really fun, particularly with Spider Man No Way Home

514
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: coming out and Peter like struggling with the fact that

515
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: he is now famous. Everybody knows who he is and

516
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Speaker 1: knows that he is Spider Man, and like what do

517
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: I do with this?

518
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Speaker 2: And how does how do I deal with this?

519
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Speaker 4: And I think the New York stuff you're talking about

520
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 4: is actually really interesting because the more we think about it,

521
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 4: this is Jersey City. A lot of the original arc

522
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 4: dealt with a lot of really cool stuff, Like I

523
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 4: think it was High was trying to gentrify Kamala's area,

524
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 4: all this kind of fun stuff.

525
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: But you have this, you have Hawkeye, you know, she is.

526
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Speaker 4: Obviously I would love to see Kamala, you know, taking

527
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 4: a selfie with Wolverine, which is like a really famous

528
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,479
Speaker 4: moment from the comics, but it's far more likely this

529
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 4: is a kid who grew up you know, she's a teenager,

530
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 4: she grew up in an age where the Avengers were

531
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Speaker 4: heroes who she knew, and she lives, you know, a

532
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 4: few miles away from where Hawkeye is saving things with

533
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 4: Kate Bishop. Like, I think there's a really cool space

534
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 4: for this to kind of do you remember when the

535
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 4: Netflix Marvel shows came out and every time that like

536
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 4: somebody mentioned the Battle of New York or how somebody

537
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: had died in it or trash, it felt so exciting,

538
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 4: And I feel like Kamala Kah kind of could have

539
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,239
Speaker 4: that space of we know what the Avengers have been

540
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Speaker 4: up to, but how has it been to be like

541
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Speaker 4: a kid watching the Avengers save the world or knowing

542
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 4: that the Avengers or Spider Man. Yeah, you know, I

543
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 4: and Kamala and Miles have like a really really deep

544
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: connection in the comics, and there's a lot of team

545
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 4: ups and stuff like that. So I think that with

546
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Speaker 4: No Way Home on the way and Miss Marvel coming

547
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 4: into this space. I just I think there's gonna be

548
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: a younger generation of heroes, not just the young Avengers,

549
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 4: but perhaps Miles, you know, Kamala, this kind of more

550
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 4: champions esque team that we're gonna start seeing coming together.

551
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Speaker 3: And I think it's it's really exciting.

552
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: I hope that they get into you know, with so

553
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: much of the again, with the kind of like New

554
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: York metro area being such a character and all of this,

555
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: and you mentioned the hydro gentrification of you know, that

556
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: has been a topic in recent comic Doctor Strange dealt

557
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: with gentrification in the West Village with basically like a

558
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: demon real estate company trying to buy Bleaker Street and

559
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: turn it into you know, like a Starbucks or whatever.

560
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: I wonder if we ever go there, that would be

561
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 1: really fun as we as we kind of get more

562
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: of these street level things, and that again perfect lean

563
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: for some crossover with ch Hulk or Matt Darker, any

564
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: of these characters that in the past, even Hawkeye have

565
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Speaker 1: dealt with issues of affordable housing.

566
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Speaker 3: No, I think I think that's very likely. I think

567
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: we got a touch.

568
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Speaker 4: One of the most powerful moments from the first kind

569
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Speaker 4: of arc of Miss Marvel is the first time Kamala transforms,

570
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 4: she transforms to look like old Captain Marvel, like white

571
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 4: blonde hair when she was Miss Marvel, you know, black

572
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 4: and like kind of and she and we get a

573
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 4: touch of that in the trailer where she says, you know,

574
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: brown girls from Jersey aren't the ones saving the world.

575
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 4: So I think we're definitely going to get a touch

576
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 4: of that kind of street level. The thing that really

577
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 4: isn't that what ever since Spider Man the Spider Best,

578
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 4: These are the things like this is what Marvel always said.

579
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Speaker 4: We're setting real places. We don't call places Gotha and

580
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 4: we call them New York. And we don't have heroes

581
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: who are Superman, we don't have gods. We have people

582
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: who have real emotions, who deal with real problems, who.

583
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Speaker 3: And that was the selling point.

584
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Speaker 4: And I think the reason Miss Marvel hit so well

585
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 4: with kids, with adults, with people who loved Marvel who'd

586
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 4: never read Marvel is it has that core. So and

587
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 4: I think looking at the team with Fish and having

588
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 4: this kind of new lens on the universe, I think

589
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 4: that we'll definitely at least get a touch of that

590
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 4: kind of political minded like progressive superhero storytelling, but on

591
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 4: that street level, that ground that ground.

592
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Speaker 1: Level up next, just an image of a very grizzled

593
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Speaker 1: Nick Fury as a promo for Secret Invasion. So this

594
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: is apparently a loose adaptation of the Secret Invasion crossover

595
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: series by Brian Michael Bendis and Lionel Francis. You that

596
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: told the story of a kind of like long running

597
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 1: scroll plot to replace notable people within Earth's kind of

598
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: like security structure, to like weaken it from the inside

599
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: so that they can launch a grand invasion. And this

600
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: crossed over to the x Men books of the Avengers books.

601
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: It was a big event at the time. The main

602
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: comics are super readable. They give you the whole story. Yeah, Like,

603
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: if you want to just like check out the eight

604
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 1: issue comics cross or event, you can do that on

605
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: Marvel Unlimited or you can pick that up very easily.

606
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: Is a trade. What are your thoughts here?

607
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm like, I actually, you know, events and

608
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: crossovers are such a controversial thing in comics, but I do.

609
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Speaker 3: I think Secret Invasion is super exciting. I like, I

610
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: like create, and I like it not only that it has.

611
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 4: Some fucking incredible spin offs and crossovers. There's this Jason

612
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 4: Aaron mini series called See Wakanda and Die, and it's

613
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 4: about how the Scrolls tried to take over Wakanda and

614
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: they couldn't.

615
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: They just couldn't. And it's and the first page when

616
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Speaker 3: you go in.

617
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 4: Is this splash of like all these scroll heads in

618
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Speaker 4: front of Wakanda.

619
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Speaker 3: And I'm really excited about Secret Invasion.

620
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Speaker 4: I know that FIGI said it's not going to match

621
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 4: the scale and the scope, and I'm kind of sad

622
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 4: about that, only in the sense that one of the

623
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 4: things I've been really excited about since they announced Secret

624
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: Invasion was finding out which of the Avengers they were

625
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 4: going to reveal had been a scroll, at least.

626
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Speaker 2: Say of the thing, who is the Scroll?

627
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Speaker 4: I always I'm I hate Hawkeye, so I'm always like

628
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 4: it's hawkeyed I made like a photos from like it

629
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 4: was definitely that's the only reason he would kill Hirooki Sinata,

630
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 4: like just just it's gotta be Hawkeye. But I actually

631
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 4: think I think they're gonna play a little bit's safer.

632
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're gonna do a big reveal

633
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 4: of any certain one Avenger who's been a scroll. I

634
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: think it's gonna be more like this tight espionage, suspicion, paranoia.

635
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: And I also think it's going to be a big thing.

636
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: Is going to be introducing Amelia Clark, who got cast

637
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: in it, and I think she is going to play

638
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 4: Jessica Drew slash the scroll cream because that's the whole

639
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 4: double and then I think you can have a duel

640
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 4: casting where she really is Jessica Drew whenever you come,

641
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 4: whenever she's you know, gets freed from the scrolls or whatever.

642
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, I want them to be like, oh, this

643
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 4: hero is a scroll, this hero is a scroll.

644
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: But I don't know if they're going.

645
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 4: To do it at this point because I think it's

646
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 4: gonna be a more like small scale, like sci fi

647
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: thriller and rather than like the big thing that we

648
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 4: might have dreamed of as after the.

649
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: Comics, it is revealed that you know, certain Marvel characters,

650
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: the kind of shocking one I guess, like the the

651
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: the first one where you're like, uh oh is Elektra

652
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: because you just don't know how long these people have

653
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: been scrolls, and some of them actually you find out

654
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Speaker 1: have been scrolls for a significant portion of time, a

655
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Speaker 1: long long time, including a you know, Clint Barton's love

656
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: interest mocking Bird, who was thought dead but then actually

657
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: was a scroll.

658
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Speaker 3: She's really had a hard time event.

659
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: She has had a really really really tough time. But

660
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: here's I think it's Maria Hill. I think it's Hill.

661
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: I think it's Hill, and I think it's been a

662
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: hill like since like Winter Soldier Hill, like has she's

663
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Speaker 1: been a scroll the whole time?

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Speaker 4: I would buy it one hundred percent. Also, I'm really

665
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 4: interested to see how with Captain Marvel they did something

666
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Speaker 4: so controversial where they made the scrolls like they want

667
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: these evil villains. They were this like kind kind of yes,

668
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 4: almost like an immigrant analogy where so I'm really interested

669
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Speaker 4: to see. I don't want to see that classic Marvel

670
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 4: thing where it's like, well, these radical ones, they're the

671
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 4: bad ones. So I'm hoping that there's some kind of

672
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 4: higher echelon of almost like a corporal or like monarchy

673
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Speaker 4: of scrolls, and they're the ones who've been trying to

674
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: kind of take over other places while the normal scrolls

675
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: are just trying to live their lives. You know, Ben

676
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 4: is like spend Menilson is so funny, is Talos so

677
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 4: I think him. Yeah, him and nick I went on

678
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: the set visit for Captain Marvel and he did the

679
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 4: whole thing in the Talos makeup, and it was before

680
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 4: the movie came out, so he couldn't say he was

681
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 4: a baddie or a goodie or whatever, so he just

682
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 4: did it as if he was like Talos and it

683
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 4: was just one of the funniest things. He's like, yeah,

684
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 4: I'm scrolling, baby, like I'm just just keep scrolling, and

685
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 4: he couldn't say it, and he had the full like

686
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Speaker 4: you know, the chin makeup and everything.

687
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think Secret Viasion.

688
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 4: Part of me I feel like, I'm like, is it

689
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 4: secretly going to be much bigger than we think? Because

690
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 4: they're casting so many big names and we've got all

691
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: these shows that are kind of leading into it. I

692
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 4: think I think there's a chance it could be the

693
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Speaker 4: first kind of Avengers of the that is.

694
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Speaker 1: That is my suspicion, because you know, we've been we've

695
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: been sitting here wondering what's gonna be the crossover. Obviously,

696
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: they're introducing a lot of like the kind of like

697
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: nighttime characters, So is it gonna be like a vampire thing,

698
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be what is it gonna be? Secret

699
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: Invasion is a good one for it. It's like, Listen,

700
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: you know, Marvel loves to fight aliens. We love it

701
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: when our superheroes team up and fight aliens. So that

702
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: could be it. And I do think that Listen fighty

703
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: is lied before.

704
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's the job, right, you got to

705
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 4: keep the secrets. I think I think this is gonna

706
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Speaker 4: be the TV one. I still think that we could

707
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 4: get a Secret Wars for the movies, Like that's something

708
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 4: I see coming in the movies. But I think this

709
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Speaker 4: could be the Avengers of Disney.

710
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Speaker 1: Plus I think we get time runs out with. I

711
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: think how they kind of like cut down all all

712
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: the multiverse crazy yess is a collapse of all the

713
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: multi versus Yeah, the battle war exactly exactly, and then

714
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: the heroes figure it out.

715
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Speaker 4: It's not a coincidence that they're introducing multiple secret secluded

716
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 4: societies who all have different styles of fighting just before

717
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Speaker 4: a kind of potential battleworld.

718
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: So these are the kind of like quicker hit things,

719
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: no images released, just kind of logos and stuff. Agatha

720
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Speaker 1: House of Harkness. Jack Chaferback is Wanda Vision head writer

721
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: Catherine Hahn.

722
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 3: Good for her.

723
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Speaker 1: Love Catherine Hahn, love Marvel Magic, Let's get more of it.

724
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: Echo Mayo Lopez Echo, played by a Laqua Cox.

725
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Speaker 2: Love this. She'll be introed in Hawkeye.

726
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: Echo Mayo Lopez is deaf hero who has the power.

727
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: Very task master like, but will be more explicit with

728
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: how this power is used in this show. But basically

729
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: can watch someone do something and then immediately can do it.

730
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

731
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Speaker 4: And I just saw that they had this brilliant death

732
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 4: writer and actress called Shshana who was in I think

733
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 4: Supernatural and did this amazing death sitcom called Disclose And

734
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 4: she's been a writer on that show.

735
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: So they're really like getting in, Like I think.

736
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 4: This is going to be like a really legit rep

737
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 4: and also it's an indigenous character played by indigenous deaf actor.

738
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Speaker 4: I just I just think that's really cool and I'm

739
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: super excited to see her.

740
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Speaker 2: In Hawkey next. What if season two? Great? Got it?

741
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 3: Of course it's happening.

742
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's having of course we know it. Marvel Zombies,

743
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: I need it.

744
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 3: But you know what, it makes sense.

745
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: It makes one hundred percent sense. Like listen the comics

746
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: the Kirkman penned comics were a big hit at the time.

747
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: I liked them because you know, listen, I love zombies

748
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: and I love Marvel. It was big, dumb, zombie fun

749
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 4: Also, isn't this exactly what we actually were saying that

751
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Speaker 4: we thought they were going to do. Once they did

752
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 4: what If and they proved they could make animation, we

753
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 4: were like, just go back and start making these famous

754
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 4: arcs that are easy, self contained and you can have

755
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 4: fun with.

756
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Speaker 3: And I think Marvel Zombies is.

757
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Speaker 1: Going to be the first of many Spider Man Freshman

758
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: Year animated series which follows Peter Parker post.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would imagine basically the origin story of

760
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Speaker 2: Peter Parker.

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00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, get spit by the Spider, and then what is

762
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: he in the months following that? How does he eventually

763
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: become a Spider Man? Rip to the to the homie

764
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: Uncle Ben, We're gonna see you get got one more time,

765
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: one more time.

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Speaker 4: I actually like, I'm like whatever, Peter Parker like sure,

767
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 4: But Jeff Trammel is the head writer, and I think

768
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 4: which is their equivalent of Sharon and he did Craig

769
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 4: of the Creek, which I just love. So I'm like

770
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Speaker 4: this I think this could have a real potential to

771
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 4: have a little bit more hot and a little bit

772
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: of that more like street level stuff we were talking about.

773
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Speaker 4: So I'm I'm really interested to see that.

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Speaker 1: I am Groot. This is fascinating to me. I don't

775
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: know where we're going with this. Is this gonna be

776
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Speaker 1: Groot's origin story like on his super Flora planet where

777
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: he was people forget this, but Groot was once could

778
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: speak and also was once like it was canon that

779
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: he was like the king of his like super Flora

780
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: like planet.

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00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 4: Will Vin Diesel be coming back to say I am

782
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 4: group for the whole mini series?

783
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: But this is going to be apparently like baby Grout

784
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: growing up?

785
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And I think it's like from the art,

786
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 4: which was really cute, I'm guessing this is kind of

787
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: going to be a younger viewers, Like you can enjoy

788
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 4: it if you're our age, but I think it's more

789
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 4: of like an OLAF Presents type, like we have kids,

790
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 4: we can sell a group toy Grout is cute.

791
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: So like, man, the script, I just want to look

792
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: at one script because like, is it just like I

793
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: so the dialogue.

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Speaker 4: I always remember that the rumor around Guardians of the

795
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 4: Galaxy when it first came out, was that there was

796
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Speaker 4: a real script that had all the real lines that

797
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 4: Groot was meant to be saying, and then they gave

798
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Speaker 4: that to Vin Diesel and he translated it to the

799
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Speaker 4: I am groups. I don't know if that's true, but

800
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Speaker 4: I would I would be interested to know if that

801
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: was really the case.

802
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: You know, just one of the most subtle, nuanced and

803
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: emotionally evocative actors that we have ever had, Vin Diesel able.

804
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 4: To Everyone cried when he said we are grew. Everyone cried.

805
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 4: Everyone not a dry eye in the house.

806
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: Finally, X Men ninety seven it's back, baby.

807
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Speaker 3: This is so wild.

808
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 4: So like I think that I knew they were going

809
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 4: to do something like this because like Disney Store has

810
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 4: X Men ninety two branded toys, so I knew they

811
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: were coming in. But one of the things that I'm

812
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 4: really interested to see. We know it's going to have

813
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 4: that theme tune. Obviously, we know it's going to continue story,

814
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 4: but I don't think it's going to be one people

815
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 4: need to remember. But Disney did not make that show

816
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 4: the animation when you I love that show. I love

817
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 4: the way it kind of decompresses these really classic stories

818
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 4: and condenses them.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't like animation to two episodes.

820
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Speaker 3: Yeahah, the Phoenix saget, It's happened. But like the animation

821
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Speaker 3: when You Go Back is very low budget. It was made,

822
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Speaker 3: you know, on a.

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Speaker 4: Very small I think this is going to have a

824
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Speaker 4: different look because they actually there's this incredible artist that

825
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 4: I follow on Instagram called Chase Connolly, which is at

826
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Speaker 4: Saint Chase, who you have probably seen because he does

827
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Speaker 4: a lot of One of his most famous images that

828
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 4: went viral, he drew the Green Goblin but with waves

829
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 4: because you know in Marvel, Norman Osbourne's always drawn with waves,

830
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 4: so he drew the Green Goblin with wave. His art

831
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Speaker 4: style is very contemporary and very cool, very like streetwear,

832
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 4: influenced Miles Morales, and he is an episodic director on

833
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 4: the show. So I think that's I think that we're

834
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Speaker 4: going to get something that looks a bit different but

835
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Speaker 4: continues the story.

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Speaker 2: I hope that that is the case.

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Speaker 1: And because I think you're right to point out, like

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Speaker 1: Disney's not going to just run it back with stories

839
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Speaker 1: that were told by a company that.

840
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Speaker 2: Is not them. They're going to do their own thing.

841
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Speaker 2: So that's going to be very fun.

842
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: Iron Heart, in which Rary Williams played by Dominique Thorne.

843
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: Iron Heart is, you know, the kind of mission creep

844
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: of stark tech. Reary Williams one of the great geniuses

845
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Speaker 1: of the Marvel Universe, truly one of the two to

846
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: three smartest characters in the Marvel Universe, has a power

847
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: suit of her own, and so we will get that

848
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Speaker 1: story in Ironheart.

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Speaker 2: That'll be fun.

850
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna be really fun.

851
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Speaker 4: And I think I'm pretty sure that I think she

852
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: went to MIT and then in Black Panther two, they

853
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 4: were one of the first movies that's ever been able

854
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 4: to actually film in MIT because MIT doesn't let.

855
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Speaker 3: Movies shoot there, but they let them shoot there.

856
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Speaker 4: So I think we might meet Reary in Black Panther two,

857
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: and then that could be where we end up going

858
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 4: to see her from in her own show.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Black Panther two, quick news, So Nate Moore

860
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Speaker 1: MCUVP of Development was on the ring reverse over at

861
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Speaker 1: my old employer with Van nit Lathan and Charles and

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Speaker 1: basically said, we're not going to recast to Challa as

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Speaker 1: Black Panther. Here's what I thought when I read this Okay,

864
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Speaker 1: you're gonna recast him, but it's just not gonna be now,

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Speaker 1: that's what that That's how I read that. It's like

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Speaker 1: five years from now will they recast him? Maybe not

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Speaker 1: ten years. One hundred percent. Yes, they will find another.

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Speaker 1: They will just wait an amount of time that is respectful,

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Speaker 1: and then they will recast.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna they're gonna do Casper Coole. It's almost certain

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Speaker 4: he's you know, they love a cop, they love a

872
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: black cop in the m CU, So he's gonna come in.

873
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 4: He's gonna be the new Black Panther. I did think

874
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 4: they were gonna go with Sharry with the things going

875
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: on that going on in the real world.

876
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: Now, I do not think that is necessarily and I

877
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: think that's very.

878
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: Sad an unvaccinated person.

879
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: Yes who is who now that they had to stop

880
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 4: the shooting of Black Panther two until the new year

881
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 4: because she has been off the injury.

882
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: It's a shame.

883
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 4: I thought Surrey and Letitia Wright was like one of

884
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 4: the best things about Black Panther.

885
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: A greed the same.

886
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think we'll get Casper Coole. I think

887
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: you're right.

888
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 4: I I think five years is actually a very reasonable

889
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 4: amount of time that they will probably do it, if

890
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 4: not before. Remember when they said they would not cg

891
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 4: Carrie Fisher back into Star Wars and then they did

892
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 4: it immediately. Yeah, but I think Casper Coole is a

893
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 4: likely opportunity. I think they also cast someone as like

894
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 4: White Tiger, So I think we're going to get a

895
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 4: lot of these different almost to Charla's but not to 'challa.

896
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised that he just came out

897
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: and said this, although again, you know, to be clear,

898
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: I think everybody believes that they will recast, it's just

899
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: not now, not within the next two three four years.

900
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, or the only other way I can see them

901
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 4: doing it is like they have a plan that you know,

902
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 4: the comics are written by writer's room, by by different

903
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 4: They always happened, you know, there was an ex memorum

904
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 4: Chris Cleamont and in Asenti Simonson like, and maybe they're

905
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: maybe they're planning to introduce a kind of new black

906
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 4: panther that they feel like could be almost a miles

907
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 4: morales reconsideration of who it is, and in that way,

908
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 4: maybe they mean it. But I mean, really it's T'Challa

909
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 4: that's black Panther. Chadwick was Black Panther, but this is

910
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 4: also a corporation. They're not going to retire his number forever.

911
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 4: You know, they'll get just not the way they walk.

912
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, whether it's again, whether it's five years from now

913
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: or you know, farther out, they will get another T'Challa

914
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: from the multiverse or something like that.

915
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm sure he moans like in this movie.

916
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: Okay, up next to the omnibus.

917
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: Welcome to the omnibus where lower analysis and understanding come together. Today, Uh,

918
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: let's pull back the disconcertingly KKK like cowl on the Moonnight,

919
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: Marvel Comics long running character the Moonnight, the Guardian of

920
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: Conshu is a really fascinating time for Moonnight to make

921
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: his ec up. The subject of mental health, after two

922
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: years in a pandemic has become a prominent topic in

923
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: conversation for basically the first time ever in American popular life,

924
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: we are discussing mental health. Mental health of athletes of

925
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: other notable people has been a point of discussion. You know,

926
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: the discussions are messy, but I think it's good that

927
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: it's being talked about. And into that conversation comes the

928
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: character of Mark Spector, a former mercenary turned superhero kind

929
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: of who is defined, at least in recent years in

930
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: Marvel comics by his struggle with mental health issues, specifically

931
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: disassociative identity disorder, which is formally known as and perhaps

932
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: still more commonly known as multiple personality disorder. By choosing

933
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: Oscar Isaac for the role, Marvel has made one of

934
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: its most high profile casting choices yet, which, alongside some

935
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: of the kind of like circumstantial evidence in the comics

936
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about, leads me to theorize that Moonnight

937
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: is very possibly a character upon which some potentially big

938
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: plot developments within the MCU might hinge, and certainly a

939
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: character that has a lot of kind of crossover appeal

940
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: and team up appeal because of the particular space that

941
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: he takes up within the Marvel universe.

942
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: Mark Spector, who would.

943
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: Go on to become the Moonnight, debuted in Werewolf by

944
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: Night number thirty two, cover dated August nineteen seventy five.

945
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: In this issue, Jack Russell.

946
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: Our titular like aanthrope hero is ambushed by a mysterious

947
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: masked and hooded klansman and only just kidding it only

948
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: looks like a Klansman, and it only looks like a

949
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: Klansman costume. This figure is armed with metal gauntlets that

950
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: are tipped with silver knuckle claws, of course silver.

951
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: Being deadly to a werewolf.

952
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: Moonnight absolutely mollywops Jack Russell. Although there are extenuing circumstances

953
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 1: here where Jack as a werewolf had a broken hand

954
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: because in his human form he got mad and punched

955
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: a wall and then his hand got broken.

956
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: Then he turned into a werewolf.

957
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: But his hand didn't heel. That seems like let's go

958
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: back and fix that. I think when you turn into

959
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: a werewolf and you have an injury, your injury should heal. Anyway,

960
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: that played a role in Moonnight Absolutely Walloping Jack Russell,

961
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: and after this Moonnight reveals his backstory to Jack, Mark

962
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: was contacted by a shadowy collection of rich guys known

963
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: as the Committee Never Good. When a bunch of rich

964
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: guys get together, like in deserted warehouses to plan stuff.

965
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: The group called Specter to a meeting to this aforementioned

966
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 1: deserted warehouse to offer him a job. Soldier of Fortune,

967
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: mercenary veteran of three African Wars, five South American Revolutions

968
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: says one of the members of the committee brief flirting

969
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: with the CIA weapons expert versatile practitioner virtually all the

970
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: martial Arts ex prize Fighter Marine Commando for eight years. Wow,

971
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: that is quite a CV. The Committee is willing to

972
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: pay Specter a cool ten thousand dollars for capturing the

973
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: werewolf Jack Russell, which is honestly for nineteen seventy five.

974
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: That's legit good, that's good money. And they will even

975
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: provide the costume and the weapons.

976
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: This will be later retcons. I'll get to that in

977
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 2: a second. Now.

978
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: Specter is like, this is a little weird, right, you know,

979
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: like these guys there's something something aren't torn about this.

980
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: The vibe is a little off. But you know what,

981
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm a mercenary. I've done crimes on several continents in

982
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: many countries, and therefore I will take the deal. I

983
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: will take the money, and I will deliver the werewolf,

984
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: which he does.

985
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: He delivers the werewolf as contracted the Committee.

986
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: Their plans for Jack Russell the werewolf is basically to

987
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: use him as like a kind of like ferile assassin,

988
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, untraceable werewolf, black magic assassin that they just

989
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: kind of release and set on someone they want gone,

990
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: and then they will be gone, and nobody will be

991
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: the wiser figure out like how to trace it back

992
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: to the committee. In the end, Moonnight is like, nah,

993
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: I'm getting bad vibes from this, So he sets the

994
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: werewolf free and together they just basically beat up the

995
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: Committee members, or at least moon Night like beats up

996
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: the Committee members, knocks them unconscious. Jack Russell is like

997
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: tearing their guts out and eating their intestines. And then

998
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: after this they go their separate ways and we don't

999
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: see moon Night for a number of years. Moonnight is

1000
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: the creation of writer Dougmunch and artist Don Perlin. Perlin

1001
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: in the Werewolf Finnight series, really has that wonderful style,

1002
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: very reminiscent of Bob Kane, the co creator of Batman.

1003
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: This will play into, you know, some of the comparisons to.

1004
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: Batman that always hit moon Night.

1005
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty, Munch teamed up with rookie artist Bill

1006
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: Sinkevich to launch Moonnight's solo title. Sin Kevitch's work here

1007
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: on the Moonnight solo is very very traditional stuff, but

1008
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: he would soon develop a modernist style which combined pencils

1009
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: and inks, along with watercolor paints, clage and mimiograph and

1010
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: other techniques not usually seen in superhero commis to create

1011
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: something that is like really revolutionary and super super cool.

1012
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: Check out his nineteen eighty six Electra Assassin limited series

1013
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: with writer Frank Miller to see really some of the

1014
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: most striking art ever created for comics, certainly for Big

1015
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: Two comics.

1016
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: Moving back to.

1017
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: Moonnight, the first few issues of the Moonnight solo title

1018
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: lay out the characters essential lore and allies. Mark Spector

1019
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: is a mercenary in employ of a terrorist named the Bushman,

1020
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: who in turn has been hired to put down, by

1021
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: any means necessary, a rebellion in the Sudan. Now this

1022
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: basically entails just like gunning down entire villages where the.

1023
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: People, which, to Mark's credit, he does not like.

1024
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: He doesn't like it, but he doesn't not like it

1025
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: enough to quit the job. Mostly he vents to his

1026
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: buddy Jean Paul aka Frenchiet, who is a pilot and

1027
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: soon to be Moon Night's a longtime sidekick. Later, in

1028
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: an ancient tomb under the statue of the god kan Chu,

1029
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 1: the protector of Night Travelers, Mark dies from exposure and wounds,

1030
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: as Marlene, the daughter of an archaeologist that Mark recently

1031
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: helped Bushman murder, looks on. Kanchu then resurrects Mark, and

1032
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: Mark reawakens with a purpose, and this purpose is to

1033
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: be Kanschu's earthly vengeance, the protector of travelers at.

1034
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: Night, the moon night.

1035
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: And to accomplish this, Mark takes all his mercenary blood earnings,

1036
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: all the money he earns in various countries for killing civilians,

1037
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: and he invests them on Wall Street, as any great

1038
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: American should do, under the alias of Stephen Grant, a

1039
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: Wall Street whiz. This being the Go Go eighties, the

1040
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, you know, financial sector deregulation eighties. Stephen Grant

1041
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: is soon a multi multi, multi millionaire. But listen to

1042
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: any good crime fighters slash Guardian of Travelers at Night

1043
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: slash fist of Conshu needs to understand what's happening in

1044
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: the street. Stephen Grant, multimillionaire, that's not going to get

1045
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: it done. So Specter creates yet another alias, this of

1046
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: Jack Lockley, a kind of like wise cracking cab driver

1047
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: who is just street wise and knows what's going on

1048
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: out there at night. Specter runs his crime fighting operation

1049
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: out of a mansion on Long Island, where he lives

1050
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: with his sidekick frenchie Marlene, now his girlfriend, despite the

1051
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: fact that he killed her dad, and also interestingly, Marlene

1052
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 1: only refers to Mark as Stephen. She is Steven's girlfriend,

1053
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: not Mark's girlfriend. So some of the kind of like

1054
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: blending and collapsing of spaces between identities is really right

1055
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: there pretty early on, even if it's not explicit. Moonnight

1056
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: is also one of Marvel's most notable Jewish superheroes, along

1057
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: with the Thing of the Fantastic Four, who wasn't explicitly

1058
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: Jewish until later, Kitty Catherine Pride. She prefers to go

1059
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: by Catherine now I still call her Kitty when I

1060
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: think about her. And of course, Magneto and Mark's relationship

1061
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: to Judaism in the Moonnight solo title is explored in

1062
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: a way that was really unique for Marvel at the time.

1063
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: Now Moonnight, as mentioned, is often referred to as Marvel's Batman,

1064
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: and you can see it right it's you know, in

1065
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: addition to the Math and the Cowl, you have a

1066
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: rich guy, a man of leisure who spends his days

1067
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: just kind of like carousing with his girlfriend Marlene, who

1068
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: spends his nights in tights, in a mask and a cape,

1069
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 1: throwing little like moon shaped boomerangs at bad guys.

1070
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 2: So it's all right there.

1071
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: Doug Munch would later write Batman over at DC, which

1072
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: kind of like even further underlined the comparison, But on

1073
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: an episode from the Comic Geek Speak podcast from two

1074
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: thousand and five, Bunch insists that any resemblance between Mark

1075
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: Spectr and Persuaye is purely unintentional. Mainly do he says,

1076
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: to Sinkevitch's penciling style at the time, which was heavily

1077
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: informed by longside Batman artists Neil Adams, and the fact

1078
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: that both of them are quote night time characters. And this,

1079
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: Munch points out, is just a function of why he

1080
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: created Moonnight.

1081
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 5: Right.

1082
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: The Moonnight was created because they needed a bad guy

1083
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: to fight the werewolf, and the werewolf only appears at night,

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00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: being bang boom now Moonnight. The original solo title, Volume

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00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: one ran for thirty eight issues. In the finale, fed

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00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: up with his life as a kind of night crawling

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00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: cape crusader, Mark hangs up his costume and honestly, when

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00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: you read the series it just seems like, in addition

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00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: to the crime fighting, it's so much work. Like not

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00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: only is he Stephen Grant who has to play the

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00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: stock market, but then he has to be Jack and

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00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: actually like take fares and drive around.

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00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: It is like he's working three jobs. It's enough of this.

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00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: Subsequent appearances of Moonnight, over several limited series, a few

1095
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: one shots, and multiple relaunches of a solo title, it

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00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: is established that Moonnight's aliases of Jack and Steven were

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00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: psychologically and emotionally taxing Mark, and this eventually evolves into

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00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: Mark kind of losing himself in his aliases and other identities,

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00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 1: until he eventually becomes fully dissociative to the point of

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00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: of in the Jeff Lamir series, really not knowing what's

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00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: real and what is his imagination. Even his resurrection under

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00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: conshu and his origin story is painted at times in

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00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: different tellings as potentially a figment of Mark's mental illness.

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00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: When Moon Night, volume eight by writer Jeff Lamir and

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00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: artist Greg Smallwood opens, we find Mark locked in a

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00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: mental hospital, experiencing disconnected episodes as Grant and Lockley and

1107
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: other malign hallucinations, which all turn out to be in

1108
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: some form the work of Conshu, who is attempting to

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00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: wear away Mark's identities, his very consciousness, in order so

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00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: that Kanchhu, an elder god, can take over Mark's body

1111
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: and actually exist in reality.

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00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: Jason Aaron's Avengers Run.

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00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: Dials some of the confusion back play, seeing Moon Night

1114
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 1: back into the kind of like firm shadow of Conshu.

1115
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: Specter's physical strength waxes and wanes with the phases of

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00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: the moon, which is kind of like a ret con. Earlier,

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00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: the earlier appearances of Moonnight in the Doug Man original series,

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00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: he's just you know, Moonnight is just a guy.

1119
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: He's just like a batman, like a Bruce Wayne, very

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00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: very strong, well trained guy who's an expert fighter, etc.

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00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: But just a guy.

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00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: Later appearances drew a supernatural element, an actually enhanced individual element,

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00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: where Kanschhu is giving Mark super strength, and that super

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00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: strength gets stronger depending on what phase of the moon

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Speaker 1: it is. Now back to Jason Aaron's Avengers Run, there's

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00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: a storyline where there's a once in a million years supermoon,

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00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: and this makes Moonnight like so ope that it's it's

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00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: a fun story, but he's so op that it like

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00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: basically like Almos breaks cannon. Moonnight is so powerful because

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00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: of this once in a million year Supermoon that he

1131
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: is able to defeat in combat and steal the powers

1132
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: of Danny Ran the Iron Fist, Doctor Strange ghost Rider.

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00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: And this is like freaking shocking Thor because apparently Mulnir

1134
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: is made of urymetal and urrometal is apparently a like

1135
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: a moon Or, and therefore Moonnight can like control Mulnar

1136
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: and indeed takes it from Thor, and then he very

1137
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: nearly defeats Black Panther to take his power, but then

1138
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: it turns out he would have had to kill Black

1139
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: Panther in order to take the power of the Black

1140
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: Panther himself, and he decides how to do it with

1141
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 1: his stolen powers, moon Night goes to Las Vegas, where

1142
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: Mephisto is living at the time, Mephisto the marvelous version

1143
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: of the Devil, and he defeats Mephisto and then hands

1144
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: Earth over to Conshoot. Now, Mark at this time was

1145
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: like pretty confused, and it's clear that Kanhu was very

1146
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: heavily influencing Mark to the point where like Mark doesn't

1147
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: didn't know which way it was up from Mark's perspective,

1148
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: Mefisto is going to take over the world. Therefore, he

1149
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: needs to be defeated, and the only way to do

1150
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: that is to empower Kanshu to you know, take over

1151
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: the world. So Kanchu does this. Eventually, the Avengers figure

1152
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: out a way to set everything to rights, and they

1153
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: free Moonnight from Kanshu's illusions and they banish Kanhu back.

1154
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: To whence he came.

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00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: This leads us to the current Moonnight series that is

1156
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: out right now, in which post defeat by the Avengers,

1157
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: Mark has reconnected with Conschu's like original role the guarding

1158
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: of travelers at night. Even though he is not the

1159
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: biggest fan of Kanshu at this time because he's he's

1160
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: quite aware that Kanchu has been causing a lot of

1161
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: his problems. Moonnight's Midnight Mission, which is his basically private

1162
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: eye company that he has founded, is a kind of

1163
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: supernatural detective agency where those in need of protection from

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01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: night terrors come and find their guardian in the dark.

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01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: An example of this is residents of a building being

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01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: attacked by vampires, so they go to moon Night. They're like,

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01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: mood Night, can you do anything about this? And He's like, Yep,

1168
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 2: we got it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's easy to see how Moonnight as this

1170
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: kind of traveler, this kind of like Protector at Night,

1171
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: has a lot of potential to cross over with Blade,

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01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: with any kind of World of at Night series that

1173
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: might happen with even Moby's Living Vampire. A lot of

1174
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: interesting crossover potential there. That's the Moonnight up next to

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Speaker 1: the Hive Mind. Welcome to the Hive Mind, where we

1176
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: dive deeper into a specific topic with the help of

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Speaker 1: an expert. Today, Extra Vision is absolutely delighted to welcome

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Speaker 1: pre Se Chibber for a primer about the book series

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01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan, with an assist by

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01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: Brandon Sanderson, which has been adapted for TV by Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Premiere is November nineteenth. Presea's podcast about the Wheel of Time,

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01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: which she co hosts with Jenn Northington, is called Tarvelan

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01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: Bust Preethe welcome, Welcome, next our Vision.

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Speaker 2: How are you hie?

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01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: So give us some background on this wild story of

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01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: Robert Jordan's.

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01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 6: Okay, so it's fourteen books. Yes, it's thirteen books and

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01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 6: a prequel which it's a whole thing. And it took

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Speaker 6: like twenty years. He passed away, as you said, like

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01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 6: towards the end of it, and Brandon Sanderson came in

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 6: and finished it up. And it's basically, you know, it

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01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 6: starts as the story of the Chosen One who will

1193
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 6: have to defeat the dark One so that the world

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01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 6: doesn't break again because already happened once.

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Speaker 1: So okay, wheel of Time, let's talk about the actual

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01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: wheel and what that means. So the wheel of time basically,

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Speaker 1: for anybody that's listening to this, you're probably well versed

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Speaker 1: in the idea of a multiverse by now.

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Speaker 2: The wheel of time is this.

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Speaker 1: Kind of cycle of time that is constantly going again

1201
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: and again and again.

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01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: Correct.

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01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 6: Yes, And you know, Jordan kind of took a lot

1204
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 6: from i think Eastern religions and Eastern philosophies and just

1205
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 6: he was very good at like picking and choosing and

1206
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 6: just dropping stuff into this book, which is fun. But

1207
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 6: also you're like, okay, context, but yeah, So it's basically

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01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 6: the time continues to go, but it always goes in

1209
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 6: a circle, so there will be a breaking. There is

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01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 6: a pattern that people exist inside of, and you are

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01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 6: a thread in the pattern, and all the stories are

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01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 6: woven together it's a very big sort of like metaphor

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Speaker 6: for time. And so when the story goes on for

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01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 6: so long, you're like, of course, of course it goes

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01:02:59,120 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 6: on for so long.

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Speaker 1: And the Dark Lord, who is kind of like the

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01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: primary force of nature antagonist of the story, who has

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01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: broken free of his prison and is threatening the world.

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Speaker 6: Mm hm, among many other bad guys.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and so as we go into season one, what

1221
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: kind of world will people find?

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Speaker 6: So it's definitely it definitely feels very like kind of

1223
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 6: traditional fantasy. You go in and people are in their

1224
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 6: long skirts and there are horses and that kind of thing,

1225
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 6: but you have these factions that exist. So when you enter,

1226
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 6: we're coming from Moirain Sidai's perspective, which is the character

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01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 6: played by Rosamund Pike, and she's hunting for what is

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01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 6: called the Dragon Reborn, who is the Savior, who is

1229
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 6: the chosen One who will defeat the Dark One, who

1230
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 6: is at this point weakened and ready to be defeated.

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Speaker 1: Supposedly, comparisons to Game of Thrones are going to be

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Speaker 1: kind of like impossible to avoid. But one of the

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Speaker 1: things that I think is very very different is that

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Speaker 1: while we have the kind of like political maneuvering and

1235
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: the factions as similar to Game of Thrones, there is

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01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: a much more where you know, Game of Thrones, it's

1237
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: like it took seasons for the magic to kind.

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01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 2: Of creep in. Yeah.

1239
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: Here the magic is just there right away, and it

1240
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: is a it is quite a complex system. Take us

1241
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: through the magic, the magic of wheel of Time and

1242
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: all the ins and outs of this very complex and

1243
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: nuanced magic system.

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01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 6: Sure, okay, really quickly.

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 6: There's this thing in the show called the One Power,

1247
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 6: half of which is Satan and half of which is Sadar,

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01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 6: and it's a very I mean, the books are super

1249
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 6: binary and I think it's super frustrating kind of way,

1250
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 6: and the show it is what it is, right, and

1251
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 6: so the One Power can be channeled by men and women.

1252
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 6: But when men channel it's tainted.

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01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: It's it's taint. Regret. There is an event.

1254
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: So for anyway, for people that don't know there is

1255
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: an event anything in this world that is called the

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01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: taint continue, I'm sorry, right.

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Speaker 6: Oh, Robert Jordan, you couldn't have known the tainte Robert

1258
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 6: the date Robert. So yeah, So what happened was like

1259
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 6: at the breaking of the world that happened that caused

1260
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Speaker 6: this dystopic version where we lost all our technology and

1261
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 6: all our progress and everything. When that happened, the men's

1262
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 6: half of the source was tainted. And so now men

1263
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 6: who channel go mad, and the women who channel, and

1264
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 6: the organized faction of the women who channel, who are

1265
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 6: called the Isidae, find these men and stop them from

1266
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 6: being able to do it before they can potentially break

1267
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 6: the world again.

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Speaker 1: And then it's okay, there's the One Power, and then

1269
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: there's also the true power, which is the power of

1270
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: the Dark Lord.

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01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 6: The power of the Dark Lord is not really necessarily

1272
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 6: something that is counter to the One Power. It is powerful,

1273
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 6: but the Dark One's goal is to kind of like

1274
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 6: burn it all down and just stop that cycle from

1275
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 6: happening again and again and just become the leader and

1276
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 6: become the ruler overall and make all the choices.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the dystopicness.

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01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is interesting because there are hints throughout

1279
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: the books that you know, the wheel of time spins

1280
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,479
Speaker 1: on and on, but that the events that we see

1281
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: in the books take place actually.

1282
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 2: On Earth, but you know, years and years, a very.

1283
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: Very very long time after like all of the stuff

1284
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: that we're doing right now has happened.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting because it's like it could be a version

1286
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 6: of Earth. Like the Wheel of Time is fantasy, but

1287
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 6: it's also very sci fi when you get to like

1288
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 6: there are dimension jumping, there's like all this stuff, and

1289
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 6: there is this part where you get to see sort

1290
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 6: of like the rise and fall of an entire society

1291
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 6: through through generations, through the history of a generation of

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01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 6: like one one family, and yeah, you see that they

1293
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 6: have like hovercrafts and like sparky spears and stuff, and

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01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 6: so clearly they're like they had all this like technology

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Speaker 6: and progress that just went away because when you enter

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Speaker 6: the books, you're back to like wagons, yeah, homespun wool.

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Speaker 2: Like.

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Speaker 1: So, if people liked Game of Thrones or fantasy in general,

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Speaker 1: what will they what is? What will there be here

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Speaker 1: for them to latch onto? What would you how would

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Speaker 1: you pitch them on? You got to give Wheel of

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Speaker 1: Time a try on Amazon.

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Speaker 6: Lord of the Rings with significantly more women, yeah, which

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Speaker 6: is great. It's Jordan was obviously incredibly influenced by Tolkien,

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Speaker 6: and also Wheel of Time predates Game of Thrones in

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Speaker 6: terms of the books. Yes, but it's you know, it's

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Speaker 6: a long journey. It's super complex. There are a lot

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Speaker 6: of amazing characters. Like characters who are on like a

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Speaker 6: page in book three will have like entire storylines in

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Speaker 6: book ten. So it's it's so complex and there's so

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Speaker 6: much story to get into.

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Speaker 3: It's so good.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those books similar to Foundation on

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Speaker 1: Apple TV Plus, which has.

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Speaker 2: Been called like unadaptable. What does that mean? Like what

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Speaker 2: it's like?

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Speaker 1: Why did people consider this unadaptable?

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Speaker 6: Uh? I was like lucky enough to interview Raf Judkins

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Speaker 6: a couple of weeks ago, and he was like, it

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Speaker 6: would be awesome if we could do like fifteen years

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Speaker 6: into his series, but everyone would be like fifty years

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Speaker 6: old by the end. Like you don't literally like how

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Speaker 6: do you adapt so much information? But I think they've

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Speaker 6: done a really good job. The first season is actually

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Speaker 6: takes stuff from like the prequel books one, two, and three.

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Speaker 6: Oh cool, and pulls all of that into like a

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Speaker 6: more coherent story for television.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there is this is not said besmirch.

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Speaker 2: It's a great Robert Jordan, But.

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Speaker 1: There was a you know, there's a feeling that he

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Speaker 1: was kind of like where do I go with this?

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Speaker 1: Let me just explore some weird side worlds. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure where this is going, So why don't you just

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Speaker 1: like do a whole book on some weird shit that happened.

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Speaker 6: Like it gets a little like sloggy maybe around like

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Speaker 6: book seven, but it's still really good.

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Speaker 2: What was it? What would what helped you to Wheel

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Speaker 2: of Time?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: What was the what was the thing that made you

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01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: a fan of Well?

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Speaker 6: I read the first book when I was like fifteen.

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Speaker 6: I think a friend gave it to me, and it

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Speaker 6: was in that era where all you like, all I

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Speaker 6: wanted to read was fantasy. Yeah, And I think a

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Speaker 6: lot of it had to do with how much focus

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Speaker 6: the women get in the series, because I won't seeing

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Speaker 6: that in any other series, at least from the mainstream

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Speaker 6: where they are. The plot wouldn't work without that, right,

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Speaker 6: you know, Like that at the time was kind of

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Speaker 6: rare and they were not just like like Jordan does

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Speaker 6: POV kind of how Game of Thrones does are where

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Speaker 6: people get their own chapters. It's not quite as explicit,

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Speaker 6: but you get perspectives from not just the men but

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Speaker 6: also the female characters. And there's this thing that happens

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Speaker 6: in the books right before they all go on their

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Speaker 6: great journey where rand Parent and matt All are getting

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Speaker 6: dragged into it. They're like, one of you might be

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Speaker 6: this thing, and so you have to come and agwayin

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Speaker 6: who is the one girl and their thing. It's like, well,

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Speaker 6: I want to come, and she makes the choice to go,

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Speaker 6: and I was like, that's amazing, Like she is making

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Speaker 6: an active choice to change her life in a way

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Speaker 6: that I didn't get to see female characters do.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to give us your non spoiler impressions

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Speaker 2: that potentially don't blow up your embargo?

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Speaker 6: Neess, Yes, I can do that because the embargo for

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Speaker 6: reviews lifted this morning.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 6: I liked the vast majority of it. I think they

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Speaker 6: did a really really good job adapting it. There were

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Speaker 6: like one or two choices that I am confounded by,

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Speaker 6: but overall, I think it's really good and I really

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Speaker 6: want more seasons.

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Speaker 2: Take us through the kind of like arc of the

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Speaker 2: story and the books, where do we go? How does

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Speaker 2: this journey kind of like expand?

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Speaker 1: And for anybody that was looking to get into the books, like,

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Speaker 1: what is your feeling about the handoff to Sanderson from Jordan?

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Speaker 2: How did it work for you.

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Speaker 6: In terms of the handoff, I know this is pretty

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Speaker 6: divisive and the fantom. I think he did a decent

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Speaker 6: job Jordan had. Jordan knew he was he was not

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Speaker 6: going to be able to finish the books because he

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Speaker 6: was sick, and so he wrote up really detailed notes

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Speaker 6: for how he wanted the story to end. So it

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Speaker 6: wasn't like Sanderson needed to like he was like doing

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Speaker 6: something outside of what Jordan and his wife had expected

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Speaker 6: for the series. There is a shift in tone, and

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Speaker 6: there is a shift in the writing for sure, Like

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Speaker 6: Sanderson tends to kind of, I think be a little

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Speaker 6: more jokeye and maybe a little more lighthearted than Jordan's was.

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Speaker 6: But I didn't mind it, Like I didn't I didn't

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Speaker 6: mind the handoff. I was glad that we got an

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Speaker 6: ending to the series because I there were many years

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Speaker 6: where I was like, he's not going to finish this.

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Speaker 6: We're never going to know how this book series ends,

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Speaker 6: and I am going to like be sad for the

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Speaker 6: rest of my life.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: You know, it is an issue that I'm you know,

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01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: the fandom of a Song of Ice and.

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Speaker 2: Fire are dealing with. Yes, I'm glad.

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Speaker 1: That Robert Jordan prepared for it in that way because

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Speaker 1: my fear, you know, not to hijack this, but my

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01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: fear with a Song of Ice and Fire is that

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Speaker 1: George has said that he doesn't want to do it.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that publishing being a business, I

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01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: can't see any reality in which the people that there

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Speaker 1: that make decisions go, you know what, let's not make

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Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars, Let's not do it.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we not make Why don't we not do that?

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Speaker 1: So they'll probably do something and try and finish it,

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Speaker 1: and I just hope that.

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Speaker 2: There's a roadmap to do that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, same.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned before, like Jordan's kind of like taking bits

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Speaker 1: of Eastern religion, Buddhism, Islam, different things and kind of

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Speaker 1: like sprinkling it in.

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Speaker 2: How does that hit you in?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 1: Is it in a way like I think all fantasy

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Speaker 1: does this to a certain extent, And how does How

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Speaker 1: is Jordan's version of that different or better or worse

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Speaker 1: than some other fantasy?

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Speaker 6: I don't I don't know if it's better or worse.

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Speaker 6: I think it's interesting. And I remember in high school,

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Speaker 6: like I gave the first book to my mom to

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Speaker 6: read because she was like, what are you reading? And

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Speaker 6: then she read it and we're Hindu and she was like, well,

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Speaker 6: that's that's ours and that's ours and that's ours and

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Speaker 6: also that's ours. And what Jordan does in I think

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Speaker 6: of interesting and of course problematic way, is just kind

1434
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 6: of like it doesn't the context doesn't matter to him.

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Speaker 6: It seems like like the context of the thing that

1436
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 6: he's taking does not matter, and so he just puts

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Speaker 6: it wherever he wants, which makes for like interesting storytelling

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01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 6: in terms of like, oh, okay, you've just like invented

1439
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 6: something by pulling all these pieces and not really thinking

1440
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 6: about what the meaning behind them is and why they exist,

1441
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 6: and it's created something new. But also when you know

1442
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Speaker 6: what the thing is, you're like, but how why would

1443
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 6: you put this here?

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Speaker 2: So it's an example of that.

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01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 6: There's a scene that so the podcast that I co

1446
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Speaker 6: host is a reread project from my friend and I

1447
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 6: are rereading all the books and like really going into

1448
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Speaker 6: close reading, and there's this section where three of the

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Speaker 6: characters are in a town called Tanchiko and they're eating

1450
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 6: clear they don't like he doesn't call them chopsticks, but

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Speaker 6: they are clearly eating with chopsticks and they are clearly

1452
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 6: eating Korean inspired food or Japanese inspired food, but where

1453
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Speaker 6: that food comes from is another area that this town

1454
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Speaker 6: is currently fighting against called aridoma. And there's nothing about

1455
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,799
Speaker 6: Aarondoma that that suggests any sort of East Asian influence

1456
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Speaker 6: in the people, Like nothing whatsoever I see. So he's

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Speaker 6: like taken the food that is clearly influenced by this,

1458
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Speaker 6: but there's no connection outside of the books between the

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Speaker 6: people and that food and that you can obviously see

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Speaker 6: on the page.

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Speaker 1: Now, what do you say to the people who go okay,

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Speaker 1: But it's like creative license, like you can't take you

1463
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Speaker 1: can't take a thing and then moving into another thing,

1464
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Speaker 1: and like you would say, what.

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Speaker 6: I mean you can like I'm not That's what I mean.

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Speaker 6: It's like I think it's it allows for interesting conversation

1467
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Speaker 6: in a way where he he's not taking ownership of

1468
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Speaker 6: it and he's not like, you know, doing any of that.

1469
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Speaker 6: And you know, when I see chitan, which is another

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Speaker 6: word that Jordan uses for bal zaman, is a word

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Speaker 6: that I am not as frustrated by. My mother was

1472
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Speaker 6: incredibly frustrated by. So I think it's just it's gonna

1473
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Speaker 6: it's gonna be what it is.

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Speaker 1: So we mentioned, like, you know, how sprawling and huge

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Speaker 1: this show is. What are in terms of some of

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Speaker 1: the best changes, What have been some of the best

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Speaker 1: changes that you've seen over the course of the series.

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Speaker 6: So, like I said, in the in the books, it's

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Speaker 6: the three of them who the three boys who are

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Speaker 6: potential chosen ones. In the show, they include the two women,

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Speaker 6: which is a very big deal because in the books,

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Speaker 6: the like Agwaine is this is this is where it

1483
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 6: gets complicated and public. She's you know, in the books

1484
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:45,799
Speaker 6: they're tavern and tin means that you impact the story

1485
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 6: around you or whatever, and only rand Paren and Matt

1486
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Speaker 6: are teverin the show is like no, Agwaine is also Tavern,

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Speaker 6: which I think is meaningful because in the books she

1488
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Speaker 6: is an all but name, like they don't name her

1489
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Speaker 6: as such, but she clearly is the same thing. And

1490
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Speaker 6: so it's little changes like that that I think work

1491
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Speaker 6: well and work in their favor because it's doing what

1492
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Speaker 6: the books did, but not taking away anything, just adding

1493
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Speaker 6: to the story.

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Speaker 2: What's your favorite Wheel of Time book?

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Speaker 5: My?

1496
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I can't. Can I just tell you

1497
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 6: my favorite Wheel of Time character?

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01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? You do? That.

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Speaker 6: Okay, it's Matt Calvin. He's the best. He's the best.

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Speaker 6: I'm I love him so much, Like I'm so excited

1501
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Speaker 6: that he is finally on screen.

1502
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: I always love this is like a Kevin Lanister thing.

1503
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,879
Speaker 1: But I always love when it's everybody has high fantasy

1504
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 1: names and then there's like a random Matt and a Kevin.

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Speaker 6: I know I will say it's it's Matrom not Matthew. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is very exciting shows premiering soon. People are going

1507
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: to get to see it. Give us your I'm a

1508
01:17:55,400 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: nerd about this, you must watch it. Prethee pitch for

1509
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: people who are maybe on the fence, they're like, I

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Speaker 1: can't do it again. What if I I love sci fi,

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Speaker 1: I love fantasy, but I'm not sure if I can

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Speaker 1: take the take the leap, and what if it's too

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Speaker 1: complicated and they said it couldn't be adapted and now

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01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 1: they've tried to do it.

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Speaker 2: Make them watch it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, they have really simplified. I think based on what

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01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 6: we've seen so far, it's all these amazing characters, Like

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01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 6: it is a very character focused television show, and you

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01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 6: really like everyone. I think, like there's no even even

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01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,799
Speaker 6: the villains are so good. Like I've been thinking about

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01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 6: this line that one of the villains says since I

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01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 6: watched the screeners like three weeks ago, and I want

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01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 6: you to watch it because Rafe Judkins has all eight

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01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 6: seasons mapped out from beginning to end. So I'd really

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01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 6: like to make it to the end of those eight

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Speaker 6: seasons and get like an entire television show that has

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Speaker 6: been clearly planned from the beginning. And so that's my pitch,

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Speaker 6: Like people who love this series and fans who of

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01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 6: this series love it so deeply, and there's a reason

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01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 6: for it, and I'm very excited for it to like

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01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 6: get out to like the wider world, Prez.

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Speaker 2: Where can people find you?

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01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 6: You can find me on mostly Twitter, I think at

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01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 6: Runwi Skizzers s k i z z e r s.

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01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 6: You can find all my books that I'm writing, and

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01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 6: my podcast at Prethchipper dot com, including tar valin or Bus,

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01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 6: which is a lot of fun. We update every two weeks,

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01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 6: eight chapters at a time.

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01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 2: Damn, some serious homework for you.

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01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 6: Prethee It's so good, I don't even mind.

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01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us up next endgame.

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01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 1: Back to the end game, where we're playing Assembly Required,

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01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: the game in which Rosie and I will pick a

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01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: character who will be randomly signed a mission that will

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01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: be selected by our producer, and then we will be

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01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 1: selecting our character who we think will best accomplish that mission.

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01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 2: Okay, Chris, what is our mission? All right?

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Speaker 5: So the mission this week is to assemble a houseful

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Speaker 5: of Ikea furniture.

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Speaker 2: So a houseful.

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Speaker 1: When you say houseful, you mean like like table, kitchen, chairs,

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01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 1: love seat, entertainment center, Like the whole thing.

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01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 5: You went down to Ikea. You spend like four hours

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01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 5: walking through every single nook looking at every single thing,

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01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 5: and you have a whole house full of stuff?

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Speaker 2: How many?

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01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: How many's? Like two bedroom house, one bedroom? Give me

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01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: an idea?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's let's say let's say two bedroom, kitchen, living room,

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Speaker 5: and an office.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so master office, master bathroom, half bath, right outside

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Speaker 1: where the people can go ya, kitchen, living room and

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Speaker 1: that's it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, porch, we do it like outdoor furniture.

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Speaker 3: No small outdoor porch.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, this is exciting. Why don't your first Okay,

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Speaker 1: go first.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go first. I'm pick shee howk she's strong?

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Speaker 4: Come on, that's like she's so strong, she can She's

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Speaker 4: very smart. She's got a law degree, so I know

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01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 4: she's clever. You know, maybe she can bring Bruce along

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01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 4: if it's one of the ones where they're like, you

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01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 4: need multiple people to do this. I feel like she

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Speaker 4: also probably has a cool sense of style, so she

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Speaker 4: can help me, like do it up in a nice way.

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01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 4: And she's just very helpful person, community minded. I feel

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01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 4: like she is gonna be the one to help me

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01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,799
Speaker 4: build the Ika furniture. She might break a few things,

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Speaker 4: depends how, you know, It depends how strong she's feeling,

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Speaker 4: how in control she is of her past.

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Speaker 3: But I'll take it.

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Speaker 4: I'll lose a I'll lose a little table if I

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01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 4: can have Sheehock help me build my house.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's o kea stuff, so it's fortunately it's affordable.

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01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 1: And not only that, if she breaks it. As a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: she just go in there and be like, listen, I

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01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,759
Speaker 1: don't want to pull rank or anything, but I'm a lawyer.

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01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into the whole class action

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Speaker 1: suit of it all.

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Speaker 2: But this is effective.

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01:21:58,520 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:21:58,720 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 2: Effective.

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01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: When I bought it, it just snapped in half. Asterisk

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01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,759
Speaker 1: I was a Gammut creature when I snapped it in half.

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Speaker 2: I love that pick.

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01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: Okay, I will now make my pick, and for my

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01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 1: pick to fully furnish a two bedroom home again, master office,

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Speaker 1: living room, kitchen, master bathroom, half bath, and a.

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Speaker 2: Small porch, I am gonna go with.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna listen, she's gonna get more tired than Jennifer

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01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: Walter's as Ye Hulk, not quite as strong, but I

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01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 1: think echo Maya Lopez has a power set that is

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01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: perfect for this because, as we all know it. Listen

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01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 1: the instructions for Ikea. For sure, they are what they are.

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01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're not. It's unclear. Maya just needs to watch

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01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: that YouTube tutorial like one time.

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Speaker 2: And she's got it. She has got it.

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Speaker 1: In fact, she's got it to such a degree that

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Speaker 1: she could be one of those task rabbit contractors that

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01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: then goes out in her spare time and assembles other

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Speaker 1: people's furniture.

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Speaker 2: Mao, Lopez.

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01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: It's not just that she's assembling the furniture for her

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Speaker 1: beautifully appointed to bedroom home. It's that this is potentially

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01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: another line of income for she decided to go on careers.

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01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 3: He gave her that that was your favorite to her.

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Speaker 2: You are right now.

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01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 3: You are a living ikea catalog.

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01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 4: You can go around and furnish anyone's home who has

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Speaker 4: these furnishes.

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Speaker 3: And in a second, that's it for.

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Speaker 1: Us, folks, and the endgame. Let us know who you

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01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: think one who you would pick? Go to x Go

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01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,600
Speaker 1: to hashtag XRVN game to give us your thoughts. Rosie,

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01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: this is once again delightful. I could do this for hours.

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01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 6: You're hours.

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01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 2: Where can folks find you?

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01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 4: I'm brazy marks on Instagram, I'm at nerdict Ign, Polygon,

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01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 4: a ton of different places.

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01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,719
Speaker 3: If you like the kind of stuff we talk, that's.

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01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 4: Why I write about Yeah, and that's me so just

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01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 4: and obviously on here with you.

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Speaker 2: Yay W see you next time.

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01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 1: Big thank you to Prethy Chibber and Rosie Knight for

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01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 1: joining us on another episode of X ray Vision. Join

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Speaker 1: us each week on Wednesdays for your weekly dose and

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01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: the deepest dives. If you want to learn more about

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01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: what we cover on each episode, check out our listeners

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01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: guide to all things extra Vision in the show notes

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01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts, or on the Crooked Media

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01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 1: website on the page for X ray Vision. X ray

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Speaker 1: Vision is a Crooked Media Productions. Show is produced by

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01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,639
Speaker 1: Chris Lord and Saul Rubin. It is ex executive produced

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01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: by myself and Sandy Gerard. Caroline Restin and Carlton Gillespie

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01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: are consulting. Producers are editing, and sound design is by

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Speaker 1: vcili's Photopoulos. Thank you to Brian Vasquez for our theme music.

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Speaker 2: Bye,