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Speaker 2: So that's what life is a Buffalo Bills fan is

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Speaker 2: apparently all about Aaron Torres, the ups and downs, and

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Speaker 2: in the end disappointment is Buffalo could not get it

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Speaker 2: done last night against the Texans.

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Speaker 3: It's tough watch if you're a Bills fan. Josh Allen

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Speaker 3: getting killed out there. You know, there's not too many

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Speaker 3: times in his career where I feel like he's been

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Speaker 3: overwhelmed by a defense. Like even when he loses games,

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Speaker 3: it's like, you know, thirty one to twenty eight and

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Speaker 3: he has two passing touchdowns and a rushing touchdown. That

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Speaker 3: was one of the few times in his career that

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Speaker 3: I felt like he was completely helpless.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to the issues of the Buffalo Bills, what

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Speaker 2: it means short term and specifically long term. Four team

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Speaker 2: that at times looked lost last night Jason Stewart's our

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Speaker 2: executive producer, Iowa Sam is here. You heard Monci Belanio.

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Speaker 2: She is at the news desk. We're sitting in today

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Speaker 2: for Doug Gottlieb here on Fox Sports Radio to let

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Speaker 2: you know Doug's Green Bay Fighting Phoenix just dropped their

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Speaker 2: opener in the Paradise Jam to Yale, losing today seventy

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Speaker 2: three to sixty seven, so a tough start to the tournament.

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Speaker 2: Phoenix were close throughout the game, but couldn't get it

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Speaker 2: done at the end as Yale ends up getting the victory.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we had ever thought last night

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Speaker 2: that the Texans were going to run away from the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills, especially with Davis Mills at quarterback. But when

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Speaker 2: you have a defense swarming like they did of the

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Speaker 2: Bills offense, it made for a tough tough night for Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen sacked eight times, had two interceptions, The last

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Speaker 2: one was on the final offensive player of the game

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Speaker 2: for Buffalo, ultimately Aarin. They did have a chance to

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Speaker 2: steal this game, no matter how you look at it,

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Speaker 2: and it started out James Cook ends up getting a

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Speaker 2: so the Bills weren't really missing a beat early on

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Speaker 2: from what they did last week against Tampa, and then

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Speaker 2: Houston's defense just ultimately overwhelms Josh Allen. This is what

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Speaker 2: the Bills quarterback had to say after the game.

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Speaker 4: Can you even put into words how I did just

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Speaker 4: to get through a game, like get most sacks of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not fun.

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Speaker 6: I ran into a couple myself. I gotta be better

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Speaker 6: throwing the ball away and living to see another down

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Speaker 6: and letting this play some situational football and panting them

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Speaker 6: deep and too many times I was going backwards and

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Speaker 6: I gotta be better on that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not shocked that Josh Allen was sacked eight times,

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Speaker 2: even though it was Amazon. Every single time he was

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Speaker 2: sacked had a new new stat like most time sacked

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Speaker 2: since twenty twenty three, most times sacked since twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: tied for the most time sacked in his career, Like

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Speaker 2: every single time Houston was getting after them, there was

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Speaker 2: the screen. I'm sure it was somewhat difficult for Josh

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Speaker 2: blame himself. The toughest part about it, though, Aaron Torres,

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Speaker 2: is how this team is so flip floppy. They're so

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Speaker 2: They just came off of a game where they dominated

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Speaker 2: the National Football League, but this roller coaster of the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills is who the Buffalo Bills are, and I

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Speaker 2: think that is what's so frustrating for this Bills fan base.

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Speaker 3: So let me ask you a question. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 3: not beat around the bush. Do you think that Sean

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Speaker 3: McDermott's message is being lost? And let me give you

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Speaker 5: One.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, understand there's some limitations. You know, there's some holes

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Speaker 3: So I just think that is the mark of a

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Speaker 3: To use the word that you just said of this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I don't think it's I don't

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Speaker 5: Fair.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that they handle success. And while you

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Speaker 2: And I probably went to that loss because that was

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Speaker 2: And I remember saying Jason Stewart and I we were

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Speaker 2: their first loss of the season. But you think about

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Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, Chiefs started out zero to two.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens ended up having Lamar Jackson injured in Week four,

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Speaker 2: but Buffalo beat him in Week one. The Ravens stumbled

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Speaker 2: for Buffalo to take control of this AFC, it all

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Speaker 2: with him, Yes, absolutely, and they were unable to do it.

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Speaker 2: I think, and maybe it represents the city, maybe it

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Speaker 2: just able to win sixteen to thirteen in that contest. Well,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think to your point about you know,

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Speaker 3: again no disrespect attendant, but a Colts team. Do people

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Speaker 3: I'm not even a Buffalo Bills fan, and I'm frustrated

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Speaker 3: because I feel like they had frankly about a four

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Speaker 2: To your what has ended up turning. And I'm curious

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Speaker 2: it was like, this is our year, really.

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Speaker 5: Veryzanc So it was an open, just conversation, this is it.

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Speaker 2: But that was the sense that we had talked about

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Speaker 2: When we were at that game against the Dolphins and

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Speaker 2: just seeing stuff around town, Jason really felt like this

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Speaker 4: It sure seems so, and I think it has something

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Speaker 4: a new day is going to be the new Bills.

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Speaker 4: And there just seemed to be an urgency about this season.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if they were referring to their roster

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Speaker 4: something to do with very high expectations, not like Winter

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Speaker 2: I swear it was something as simple as this is

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Speaker 2: our year. But what I think that also like signifies

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Speaker 2: is this is why it's the tipping point. It's not

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Speaker 2: only does Sean McDermott stay the message that you get

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Speaker 2: with Buffalo now and if you just follow anything on

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Speaker 2: we are wasting Josh Allen's years.

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Speaker 2: I've been saying that for three years and so and

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Speaker 2: so that that is now where the tide is turned

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Speaker 2: to this point where you feel like you've had this

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, and if you look at their remaining schedule,

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Speaker 2: it's it's not as difficult. There's a game against the

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Speaker 2: Egos they've got coming up, but they play the Jets again.

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Speaker 2: They've got winnable games. They should make the postseason. But

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Speaker 3: The one last thought that I do have, I think

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Speaker 2: It's still a failure because of what you of what

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Speaker 2: A Happy Friday to you. You've made it to the

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Speaker 5: I'm checked up.

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Speaker 2: He's giving the Richard Nixon peace victory signs. She's ready to.

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Speaker 5: Go have a midday college basketball on.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's you know, it's some sort of something

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Speaker 5: And there that is true.

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Speaker 5: This is Greenbrier, West Virginia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the magnificent spot that I'd love to go, have

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Speaker 5: True story.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of probably been to Ohio. I've been to

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I've been to Alaska and Hawaii. But it's

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Speaker 5: Those country roads. They did not take me home. No fu.

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Speaker 3: You know what weird state I've never been to, which

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Speaker 7: So I have driven through the Green Hills of West Virginia.

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Speaker 7: Have not been to Montana. Have you been to Mississippi.

439
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Speaker 5: I've not been to Mississippi.

440
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Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin has. It's just how long will he be

441
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 2: in Mississippi is the question. And we could find out

442
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 2: erin Torres quite possibly as soon as today. I was

443
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 2: not snooping erin Torres. But I know you were looking

444
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 2: at a flight plan. No, someone took a flight plan

445
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 2: on a tweet and made their own drawing. Well it

446
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,679
Speaker 2: was it was not an actual flight plan. You know

447
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 2: what they drew, But that's people trying to track Lane Kiffin.

448
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 3: Well, no, what I was actually looking at. He's been

449
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 3: posting like no'll just put it that way. I don't

450
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 3: know if he's been posting Bible versus or something, but

451
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 3: they're very specific, like be in the moment, da da

452
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 3: da da. So some guy put out on Twitter this morning.

453
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin's devotional book is getting eerily specific and a

454
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 3: little biting, and it opens with your ranked fifth in

455
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 3: the nation, around the cusp of the college football playoffs,

456
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 3: so it was obviously a photo shop of these very

457
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 3: emo things that Lane Kiffin has been posting. But to

458
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 3: your point, Dan, I don't think we're gonna get any

459
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 3: clarification by the end of the show. But Lane Kiffin

460
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 3: is scheduled to meet with his AD today and I

461
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 3: guess what I would say is I think if the ad,

462
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 3: if he tells the AD that I'm not in a

463
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 3: rush to make a final decision, like like, I think

464
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 3: there's this perception like would Ole miss.

465
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 5: Really move off of him in the middle of a

466
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Speaker 5: playoff run.

467
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Speaker 3: I think they would because I think they've they've sat

468
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 3: there and said, we've given you everything that you've ask for,

469
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 3: We've done it your way, we've been whatever, and it's like,

470
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 3: we can't wait until the middle of December into maybe

471
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 3: January for you to make a final decision because it

472
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 3: cuts our roster, it limits the people that could potentially

473
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Speaker 3: replace you, and if you don't plan on being here

474
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 3: long term, or more specifically, if you're not sure at

475
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 3: some point, we do need an answer because I think

476
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 3: they they're not going to be left at the altar,

477
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 3: And so there is a meeting today, and like I said,

478
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 3: if they get the impression that he really needs another

479
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 3: couple weeks to look around, I think they really seriously

480
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 3: may kick him to the curb.

481
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,479
Speaker 5: If so.

482
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 2: Kiffin on the Pat mccaffee Show said that there was

483
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: no ultimatum given previously. Now to your point, there may

484
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: be one today. The conversation that has built up is

485
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 2: if Lane Kiffin isn't the coach for ole Miss after

486
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 2: the Egg Bowl next week against Mississippi State, should that

487
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 2: alter their ranking in the college It's interesting conversation and

488
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 2: I we touched on it briefly yesterday. I think it's

489
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: different than Jordan Travis. I think it's different with players.

490
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: I don't think that it should affect their standing. We

491
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: saw Florida State play a game without Jordan Travis and

492
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: it wasn't good. We saw Ohio State play their game

493
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: without j T. Barrett with Cardi al Jones and it

494
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: was really good and that allowed them to get into

495
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 2: the into the bracket. It's now different with a twelve

496
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: team bracket as opposed to just the four, but I

497
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: think it's I don't think that ole Miss should be

498
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: penalized if Lane Kiffin were to leave and then not

499
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: coach the team in the playoff.

500
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it becomes how do you quantify, Like,

501
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 3: how would you quantify, like, do there if they finish

502
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: eleven and one with Lane Kiffin? Is he worth a win?

503
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 3: Is he worth two wins? Is he worth a ranking?

504
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 3: Is he worth whatever? Like, I actually agree with you.

505
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 3: I think it's an interesting conversation, and it's one where,

506
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 3: like you know, sometimes you just kind of see stuff

507
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 3: percolate on social media and you say, well, that's just

508
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I don't think this

509
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 3: is dumb from the perspective of it isn't a conversation

510
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: that we're allowed to have. Like, I think it makes

511
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 3: sense to at least bring up this conversation. But I

512
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 3: don't think the committee can sit there and say, well,

513
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 3: they were the sixth seed, but now that Lane Kiffin's gone,

514
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: there the nine seed. I don't think they can do that.

515
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: I don't think that they would. But a couple of things. One,

516
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 3: you know, Ole miss has to win one more game

517
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 3: before we figure all that out. And then two, I

518
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 3: think as importantly, we've got to see how everything else

519
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 3: shakes up.

520
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: Are you and I'm just guessing in this, but I'm

521
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: getting a sense that maybe you're not loving what's going

522
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: on with Lane Kiffin. Will that be a fair assessment

523
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: you're not loving all of the gamesmanship.

524
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Speaker 3: I think two things are true. I think any life

525
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: choice you make, I think you're certainly allowed to evaluate

526
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 3: everything and gather information. And so I think I don't

527
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 3: think Lane Kiffin purposely I wanted it to get out

528
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: that his family was basically doing an SEC tour earlier

529
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 3: this week, So I understand that. What I also do understand.

530
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,239
Speaker 3: What I also do believe is that you are in

531
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Speaker 3: the middle of the greatest season in the history of

532
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: Oless football, at least since all of us have been alive.

533
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: I don't know what happened in nineteen fifty seven with

534
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 3: Johnny vaud as the head coach, whatever, I do believe

535
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: that you kind of owe it to these people, this

536
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 3: fan base that has had your back, that gave you

537
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: a shot when nobody else was really in line to

538
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: hire you at an SEC caliber job, to not string

539
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: it along because the thing is, like, you know, you, obviously,

540
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 3: being in sports, you're probably a little bit more in

541
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: tune with it than most. But his last three or

542
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: four press conferences, not even forget after the Florida game.

543
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: I'm talking the Monday Tuesday in the lead up to

544
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: the Florida game. It was very specific questions about are

545
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 3: you gonna be the coach here next year? What makes

546
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 3: a great job, And it's just taking such a spotlight

547
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 3: off of your team and off of a school that

548
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 3: has given you so much opportunity. So I guess what

549
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: I would say is I understand him wanting to do

550
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 3: the due diligence, but now that it's out, I don't

551
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 3: think you can string this along for another three weeks

552
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 3: and say I'll make because because in a quick backstory,

553
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 3: every old Miss fan two weeks ago, their boilerplint response

554
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 3: was he doesn't make any decisions until after the season.

555
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 5: That's how he's always done it.

556
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: Whatever, Well, this season literally might not end until the

557
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: middle of January, but at minimum probably will not get

558
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 3: any sort of real resolution until Christmas time. And I

559
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 3: don't think you can wait that long in this era.

560
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 2: See I look at Ole Miss and from their position

561
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: right now, I understand that you wouldn't want to wait

562
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: till January eight, or if you're happening to make the

563
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: championship game and go on a run. You wouldn't want

564
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: to wait till the third or fourth week of January

565
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 2: to end up finding a head coach. But if Lane

566
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: Kiffin being at ole Miss at that point would lead

567
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: them through the playoffs, I don't know how ole Miss

568
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 2: say we don't want you here. I don't think it's

569
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:08,959
Speaker 2: the Beau chem Beckler to have a Michigan man and

570
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: telling Bill Frieder you're not going to coach this team

571
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: because you took the Arizona State job. We're going with

572
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: Steve Fisher way back when nineteen eighty nine. I don't

573
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 2: think that that's the case with ole Miss. To your

574
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 2: point of this being the greatest ole Miss season that

575
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: they would have had that they may have had in history,

576
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: if he delivers on that, especially in today's day and

577
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 2: age of transfer portal, I understand that the late window,

578
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: but I would almost sacrifice that to be able to

579
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: have the run that you could have with your head coach.

580
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: I just don't know if LSU would want to wait

581
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: that long or Florida would want to wait that long

582
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: to And I don't know if Florida's still in it

583
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: or not. Maybe they are, Maybe they aren't. But if

584
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 2: I'm LSU, I can't I understand the pride of it all.

585
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: But this is your special season and to let it run.

586
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: I just I would want him to be the head coach.

587
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna do the worst thing in radio. And

588
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: you and I have had this conversation. I'm gonna say

589
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 3: I actually see both sides of that conversation. I absolutely

590
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: see your side of you have a chance to do

591
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: something really special and you worry about the end.

592
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 5: At the end, I think the way.

593
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 3: Old missees it is, Hey, dude, we and it's in

594
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: large part because of Lane Kiffin. It's like we are

595
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 3: on the precipice because of you, but because you also

596
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 3: told us what we need from a financial standpoint, from

597
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: an infrastructure standpoint, from whatever. And we believe that we

598
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 3: can keep this going if there is a world that

599
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: you are not part of this. What we don't believe

600
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: can happen is we wait until late December when all

601
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: of the good candidates are gone. We wait until late

602
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: December when the signing you know, when the signing class

603
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: either has to sign.

604
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 5: Or they don't.

605
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: We wait until late December when the portal is opening.

606
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 3: We still don't even have a coach. Our players can

607
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: go in, but we have nobody to recruit them. Yes,

608
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: this job is great, large part because of you now,

609
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 3: but this job is also now great period, and we

610
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: could lose a lot of the momentum that we've built

611
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: up over the last four or five six years thanks

612
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: in large part to you, but that we don't want

613
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: to put ourselves in. So I actually see both sides.

614
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 3: I actually think your point is very salient and like

615
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: on brand of like, you don't get many chances anywhere

616
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: to win championships and if you're eleven and one and

617
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: you're in position to do it, just ride it out

618
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: and whatever happens after happens after. But I understand their

619
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: point of like basically, hey, this is now a great

620
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: job and we're gonna lose a ton of momentum if

621
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: you walk out on December twenty ninth and we don't

622
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: really have a backup plan ready for you.

623
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: Do you think that ole Miss will rise to the

624
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: level of what LSU is like in terms of competing finances, revenues,

625
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: what they put in. I don't think that they can.

626
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: I don't think that they will. So, like I don't

627
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: blame don't blame Lane Kiffen for competing thing with ole Miss.

628
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: And the reason I asked the question is it actually

629
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: takes some gumption to be like, this is the reality

630
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: of it. This is the reality, and I understand the reality.

631
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: So to sit there and think that you're gonna compete, like,

632
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: no matter how great schools were in the Big Ten,

633
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: they always do that. Michigan and Ohio State were different

634
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: beasts and some of the reasons schools had successes because

635
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: they understood that they understood what their path is. Now

636
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: college sports has changed over the last couple of years,

637
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: but instead of trying to become a Michigan in Ohio State,

638
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: you have to find your own past. And I'm siscon

639
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: exactly specifically, it's who I had in mind, maybe even

640
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: Iowa for that matter, and talking about the Hawkeyes and

641
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: realizing we're never gonna be that, so let's figure out

642
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: the best way for us to succeed. I think that

643
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: would show something with ole Miss, because I don't think

644
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: that they can and I don't think it's a guarantee.

645
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: We've seen how people have tried to fill in at Florida.

646
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: They still haven't found anybody to replace Urban Meyer. After

647
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: all of these years, we've tried, like, it's no guarantee

648
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: that the next guy you get is going to work

649
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: after Lane Giffen, So why not max out as much

650
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: as you can and realize who you are?

651
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I would love to yell and scream and

652
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: say I totally disagree with you. I think there is

653
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: something to that. I also just think that they feel like, hey,

654
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Speaker 3: we can't wait until. I think the big thing Dan is,

655
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Speaker 3: it's not just losing Lane Kiffin. It's who would be

656
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Speaker 3: available if you let if you let this run out

657
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: and we'll worry about next year next year, it's who

658
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: would even be available on January seventh, December twenty ninth, whatever.

659
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna nerd out on college football a little bit.

660
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Speaker 3: But you know, John Somerl, who's the two lane head coach,

661
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: was an assistant at Old Miss from the state of Alabama,

662
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Speaker 3: so Alburn is interested in him. There were conflicting reports

663
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Speaker 3: on if he was gonna interview with Florida or not.

664
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Speaker 3: I bring it up because I think Old Mis thinks

665
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Speaker 3: we can get that guy who's having a ton of success,

666
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Speaker 3: who Auburn wants, who Florida wants. But we obviously he

667
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Speaker 3: will not even be available to us on January seventh

668
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Speaker 3: or whatever, and so that's where I think it does

669
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Speaker 3: become a little bit conflicting. Is just the notion of

670
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Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying of it doesn't matter who

671
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Speaker 3: you get, By the way, it doesn't matter if you

672
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Speaker 3: keep playing Kiffin. There's no guarantee you'll ever be in

673
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Speaker 3: this position again. I think their thing is I think,

674
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Speaker 3: let me put it this way. I think we look

675
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Speaker 3: at it as it's the portal era. You can make

676
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Speaker 3: it all up really fast, and it's like, I think

677
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 3: the opposite is true too. It's the portal era. It

678
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: can crumble really fast. And I think that's probably their

679
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Speaker 3: fear of letting this play out with link.

680
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Speaker 2: I just rather cash in on this season if it

681
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: doesn't work after that. We've seen the coaching carousel be

682
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: completely foreign from anything we've known.

683
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 5: Previously in college football this year.

684
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Speaker 2: I mean, James Franklin was the head coach at Penn

685
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Speaker 2: State a month and a half ago at night, and

686
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Speaker 2: now he's leading Virginia Tech program who still has a

687
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Speaker 2: home game on their schedule coming up tomorrow against Miami.

688
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Speaker 2: I think that you can turn things around and and

689
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Speaker 2: no disrespect to John Summrall who's been in a lot

690
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: coaching jobs, But to your point, if he could be

691
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: a target for Ole Miss, and if he goes to Auburn,

692
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 2: which a lot of people think that he's likely going to,

693
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: then you're thinking like, oh, we missed out, but we're

694
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: really gonna do this and waste our maybe best season

695
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: ever because we think that John Sumral was the guy.

696
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 2: Well then, like, I don't know, I'd rather wait and

697
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Speaker 2: see what I would have for Lane and the rest

698
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Speaker 2: of this year and move on.

699
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Speaker 5: I know we really got to go.

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Speaker 3: Let me one quick question though, how much of this

701
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Speaker 3: is online Kiffin, right, because let's go back to the

702
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: famous Denny Green. Denny Green or is it Denny Green

703
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Speaker 3: or her? You play to win the game. Well, Lane Kiffin,

704
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: you're winning the games.

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Speaker 5: I know what.

706
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Speaker 3: LSU is hypothetically on a piece of paper or Florida

707
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Speaker 3: is hype.

708
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Speaker 5: But you're doing.

709
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Speaker 3: Everything, like everything that you could hypothetically do three years

710
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Speaker 3: from now at LSU, you're doing right now at Old Miss.

711
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Speaker 3: And that's the part that I think is kind of

712
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Speaker 3: mind boggling to me. I do think to your point,

713
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Speaker 3: big picture thirty thousand foot view. LSU probably is more

714
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Speaker 3: sustainable over a five, ten, fifteen year period than old misses.

715
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Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, you're.

716
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Speaker 3: Never gonna be better than eleven and ten and one

717
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 3: and in the playoff, regardless of what happens at your

718
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: last regular season game at LSU than yard one.

719
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Speaker 2: I think the most interesting thing you said there is

720
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Speaker 2: that the LSU job could be open again in three years.

721
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Speaker 5: True, right, Like that's like, that's the point.

722
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: Roy Williams turned down North Carolina a couple of times

723
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Speaker 2: at Kansas and then when he ultimately needed to take over,

724
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: he took over, but he had options to leave and

725
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Speaker 2: go back home, and he didn't. He stayed. They went

726
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Speaker 2: with other coaches. This is the same thing where guess

727
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Speaker 2: what LSU actually may be there three years down the

728
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Speaker 2: line and.

729
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Speaker 5: Go so well.

730
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Speaker 3: Remember he almost took the Auburn job about three four

731
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Speaker 3: years ago because he thought he had to get out.

732
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Speaker 3: And imagine if he had taken the I mean, I'm

733
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 3: sure he'd be awesome. But it's like now LSU and

734
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: Florid are fighting over you. Listen, we talked a second ago.

735
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Speaker 3: We talked about Kaylen de boor who knows what his

736
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Speaker 3: future Anyway, We could go on and on, but I

737
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Speaker 3: think there's something to these good jobs.

738
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Speaker 5: He's fifty years old. These good jobs are gonna open again.

739
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Speaker 2: And almost doesn't even have a game this weekend, so

740
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Speaker 2: they're on a by Oregon usc are not.

741
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Speaker 4: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

742
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744
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Speaker 5: Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Byer.

745
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Speaker 2: He's Aaron Torre is sitting in for Doug today as

746
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: Doug is in the US. Virgin Islands lost their opener

747
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: of the Paradise Jam to Yale, falling by six. So

748
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 2: a tough one for the Phoenix after their overtime lost

749
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Speaker 2: to Minnesota that they had last week in Minneapolis. So

750
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Speaker 2: hopefully the Phoenix can just get over that hump and

751
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Speaker 2: get another mark in the win column.

752
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Speaker 5: We were on air for.

753
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Speaker 3: The Minnesota game, were monitoring it in the studio. TV's

754
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Speaker 3: on and everything, and yeah, got's overtime.

755
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: They had it tied it at the end of regulation,

756
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: two seconds left in the half court shot ended up

757
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: going down but was waved off, but Anyway, Ultimately, Phoenix

758
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: couldn't get the win and couldn't get one today against Yale.

759
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Speaker 2: It's a win for us because Mark Dominic is joining

760
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Speaker 2: us as he does every Friday, the former GM of

761
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Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, here to talk NFL action in

762
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Speaker 2: advance of Week twelve. But Mark, welcome in. First of all,

763
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Speaker 2: let's look back at Let's look back at last night.

764
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Speaker 2: Do we just chalk it up to this is the

765
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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills of twenty twenty five, this roller coaster rides on,

766
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: or so we'd look more into the eight sack performance

767
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Speaker 2: by that Texans defense against Josh Allen last evening.

768
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the scarier part of the eight sacks, right,

769
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Speaker 8: I mean, that's a very big concern because it's really

770
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Speaker 8: been Buffalo's defense. It's been kind of the thing that's

771
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 8: left them down, as we all know, the run game,

772
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Speaker 8: but does it. They've been pretty solid consistently with that

773
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Speaker 8: passing and keeping Josh Allen straight up. So I think

774
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Speaker 8: the eight sacks is a very scary thing to the

775
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Speaker 8: Buffalo Bills. I am not going to give up on them.

776
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Speaker 8: I think they can be a streaky team and can

777
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Speaker 8: find it at the right plot. But where the Patriots.

778
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Speaker 8: It's looking better and better for the Patriots to find

779
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Speaker 8: a way to not only you know, home field or

780
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Speaker 8: win the division, but also home field advantage. Potentially amazing

781
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 8: turn of events for Mike Rabel. But yeah, I think

782
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Speaker 8: the Buffalo Bills, I think we're seeing what they are

783
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Speaker 8: the Aller coach. You're not sure what's gonna get each week.

784
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Speaker 8: But you can get special or you can get below average.

785
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 8: Last night was blow average, specifically as we all saw

786
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 8: a lot of times Josh Allen's on his back mark.

787
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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question as a GM, how

788
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Speaker 3: do you how do you evaluate the difference between a

789
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: coach that is struggling because of the normal factors, injuries, whatever,

790
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: and a coach that has either lost the locker room

791
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 3: or the messages in getting through it. And I'll just

792
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: be quick here, but you know Pat Riley famously, you know,

793
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: left the Lakers many years ago because he just said,

794
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 3: my message isn't getting through the way that it once

795
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Speaker 3: did year nine for Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that's the case.

797
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Speaker 3: I'm asking, as a GM, how do you evaluate the

798
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Speaker 3: difference between struggling and a message not being delivered from

799
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Speaker 3: coach to players.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think a lot. So I think it's a

801
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 8: great question, by the way, because I think even Andy

802
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 8: Reid felt that right in Philadelphia, Like you know, Harry

803
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 8: Rosen's like, I just don't know if we need a

804
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 8: new voice here, and so like Andy Reid, it killed

805
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 8: Howry Rosen until it's like, oh Andy Reid, he loved

806
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 8: and so in converse you can't say benefit. But in

807
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 8: this situation with McDermott, I do think that can happen.

808
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 8: I think the first thing you do as a GM

809
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Speaker 8: is you just listen.

810
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 9: You listen to coaches, You listen to.

811
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Speaker 8: The staff, You listen to the training staff, equipment staff.

812
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 9: If they're around the players and.

813
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 8: They're gonna hear what the players are saying.

814
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Speaker 9: The players are gonna say a lot of the right.

815
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Speaker 8: Things when they think they're out of a GM, but

816
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Speaker 8: when they're maybe around in a group of three or

817
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 8: four of them and they're in the training room getting

818
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 8: the rehab, maybe they're saying a little bit more.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 8: The number one thing you can do as a GM

821
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Speaker 8: is listen to everyone around you and start to pull

822
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 8: together what's going wrong with the team, Why are we struggling.

823
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 8: It's then the only other thing you consider is you

824
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 8: grab your captains and just kind of get us to hey,

825
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 8: Josh's talk about, you know, sense of where we sit

826
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Speaker 8: with the season. I think those are the two things

827
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 8: you can do to find out to make sure that

828
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 8: the messages is getting off I don't think it's getting

829
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Speaker 8: off the blow. I think that they just last night,

830
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Speaker 8: you know, give credit to the Houston Texans. They've found

831
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Speaker 8: a chicken the arm or took advantage of it.

832
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Speaker 2: Former GM of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Mark Dominic joining

833
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Speaker 2: us here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Byer, he's

834
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Speaker 2: here and Torres in for Doug Leave today. Just another

835
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Speaker 2: one on the Bills, because I do think they're the

836
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Speaker 2: most popular team in the National Football You saw the

837
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: amount of fans that were in Houston last night. It's

838
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: the Bill's mafia has taken over. Been Aaron and I

839
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Speaker 2: were discussing at the top of the show as well

840
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: as now you're starting to hear some members of the

841
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: fan base saying, are we wasting Josh Allen's years? Have

842
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: they wasted these last couple of years in Buffalo.

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't say they've wasted him. I mean, obviously Buffalo

844
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 8: and the Baltimore Ravens both and got incredible quarterbacks that

845
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 8: just could not get count pass out, you know, Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 8: And now looks like that has opened the doors opened

847
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Speaker 8: and for somebody, and I think that that's.

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Speaker 5: The real thing.

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Speaker 8: And I think it again. I think it goes back

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Speaker 8: to guess the Ravens are playing better balls, but they

851
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Speaker 8: also have the schedule to start to finally get themselves

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Speaker 8: back to five hundred and beyond. Buffalo has played up

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00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 8: and down as we've seen them. So I still feel

854
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 8: like both those teams have every chance to meet each

855
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 8: other in the AFC Championship Game and the best team goes. Yes.

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Speaker 8: Every year you lose a year of a quarterback, it

857
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 8: certainly feels like you might be wasting one. But we

858
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 8: got to kind of remind herself how hard it is

859
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Speaker 8: to win these things, right, because Aaron Rodgers, you know,

860
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Speaker 8: Drew Brees, I mean, it's hard to win him, even

861
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Speaker 8: though when you might be the best quarterback in the

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Speaker 8: league at that time. And I think that's the same

863
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Speaker 8: situation you're seeing here. So the nice thing is the

864
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Speaker 8: Josh Allens. They look like you said, you know, the

865
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Speaker 8: another ten years. Lamar Jackson may have another ten years.

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Speaker 8: I think they'll both get one when it's done. But

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Speaker 8: this year certainly is wide open, and the aafpl at with

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Speaker 8: one ever before.

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Speaker 3: I'll ask you to put your GM head on again.

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Speaker 3: Mark Philadelphia Eagles eight two four game win streak, and

871
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: all I hear everyone seems so miserable. You know, you know,

872
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: obviously aj Brown is kind of a lightning rod. We're

873
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: past the trade deadline, we know he's going to be

874
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: there through the end of the season.

875
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 5: Just what do you make of that situation?

876
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: But then, is there anything, Howie Roseman, is there anything

877
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: anyone in the building can do to kind of try

878
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: to put those fires out as they continue to seem

879
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: to keep popping up.

880
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 8: Well, I think like what how we did once again

881
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 8: in the trade market made a big impact and it

882
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 8: showed that back room that hey, look, we're trying to

883
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 8: be the dynasty like everybody wants to talk about, you know,

884
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 8: the games that the chiefs of being a dynasty. But

885
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 8: if we can win to the super Bowl, we're really

886
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 8: the one that everybody should be talking about. And I

887
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 8: think winning helps that. Of course, as we all know.

888
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 8: But at the same point, you know, I think they've

889
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 8: done it in a different way than they did last year.

890
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 8: And I think that shows that they've got a little

891
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 8: more balanced. And yes, you're gonna have guys that are

892
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 8: gonna be frustrated within their role or maybe not get

893
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 8: those bets they're looking for. But they went out and

894
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 8: they tried to make their team as good as it

895
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 8: could possibly be for this stretch, run down the stretch,

896
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 8: and I think the Eagles are doing that. Dalen Hurts,

897
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 8: you know, as we see him in the postseason, usually

898
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 8: shows up pretty good.

899
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 5: You know.

900
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 8: Yes, I think it's the town that's expected to win,

901
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 8: and that's why you're kind of getting that the you know,

902
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 8: this is great, but but what the Eagles have done

903
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 8: is actually really good. And I think that Howie Rosen

904
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 8: made them better at the trade.

905
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: Deadline, Mark, do you want to hear my crazy theory

906
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: about the Eagles? And I want you to judge this.

907
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: I need I want to hear the theory too, and

908
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: I think it makes it easier to move on from

909
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts that they won it last year. Does that

910
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: make any sense?

911
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 8: It does, and I do understand that, and I think

912
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 8: that through this year. You know, they're getting deeper in

913
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 8: his contract. I'm sure Howie Rosen's kind of looking at

914
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 8: the big picture saying, you know, where are we at

915
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 8: with Jalen? What can what where can he elevate this

916
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 8: team to? But then again, we've got to you know,

917
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 8: you've got to always run into is the grass green

918
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 8: on the other side and what does that look like?

919
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 8: And you know, until they do something different. The nice

920
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 8: thing about Jalen that he may not be a great

921
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 8: regular season quarterback, but he's good. He can run the

922
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 8: ball and you can make some throws, but he has

923
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 8: been an extremely counted Super Bowl quarterback and boy, when

924
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 8: it matters, he shows up. And that's that's hard to replace.

925
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 3: Let me ask you about the Rams obviously coming off

926
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 3: the h you know, obviously the very impressive effort against

927
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: the Seattle Seahawks.

928
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 5: Just big picture, are you surprised?

929
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: I mean they went all in on that Super Bowl

930
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: and we know the big names that were part of that,

931
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 3: Odell Beckham and Jalen Ramsey and you know, I can't

932
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: even remember Cooper Cup on and on, and they basically

933
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: just have not missed a beat essentially, and they've you know,

934
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: rebuilt through the draft, and they got to the point

935
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 3: I'm trying to make is for them to go all

936
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 3: in in the public manner that they did that year

937
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: and really just keep this thing rolling. As they've aged

938
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: out of Aaron Donald, all the guys I've mentioned, I

939
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 3: just continue to be blown away by that franchise.

940
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 8: I am too, and I think a lot of credit

941
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 8: needs to get less seed in terms of how they've drafted,

942
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 8: because they've turned over that roster significantly. The defensive line

943
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 8: has played better than I thought they would in terms

944
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 8: of being more physical but more consistent keeping Stafford healthy

945
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 8: this year, especially with Stafford coming in with what looked

946
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 8: like a bad potension back issue. But I think it's

947
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 8: less neat. It's the draft team of the players that

948
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 8: they've been able to pull over the last couple of

949
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 8: years that have really kind of taken this team and

950
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 8: their young dynamics, fast team on defense, you got to

951
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 8: love that, and then on offense, they're very consistent in

952
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 8: what they do in the offensive line is playing very

953
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 8: well together, and I think those two things, combined with

954
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 8: a veteran quarterback who's obviously.

955
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 9: Great, it's the nation across the board and look, I say,

956
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 9: I still feel like it. I think the Free Chiefs

957
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 9: can make it out of there with that division. In

958
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 9: terms of the West, I still think San Francisco, healthy

959
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 9: across the board, with the healthy Brock party and a

960
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 9: healthier defense, might be still the scariest team.

961
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: In the West.

962
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: They got an interesting one coming up Monday night against

963
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 2: the Carolina Panthers as well that now has playoff implications

964
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 2: in a lot of different ways. All Right, last one

965
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 2: for me, Mark, it's the question that we all want

966
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: to know in week twelve, Shadoor Sanders getting the start

967
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: for the Cleveland Browns. If you're Kevin Stefanski, if you're

968
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: the Browns, does is this Shador's job for the rest

969
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: of the season. If Dylan Gabriel is able to clear

970
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: his concussion protocol, do you go back to Dylan Gabriel?

971
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: Does it all right? On week twelve? What do you

972
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: expect from Shador's first start and for things to play

973
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: out in Cleveland?

974
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 8: Well, the nice thing for Shador is as bad as

975
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 8: it looks, at least this week, you've got first team reps,

976
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 8: as we all know, varying for it. He knows he's

977
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 8: going to be the starter, coming out of the tunnel,

978
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 8: and so we get to see a Chador that's got

979
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 8: a lot more ability to be prepared for it, maybe

980
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 8: than what he was clearly last week, which was streads.

981
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 8: I think it's Shadoor's team for two weeks and then

982
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 8: depending on how Shudor played, I can go back to

983
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 8: Dylan or off it with Shtore. If you can hold

984
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 8: onto the job and play at a higher level. It

985
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 8: just feels to me like, you know, and it's easy

986
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 8: to say based off hack of past week, but that

987
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 8: game was very fast for Shador Sanders, really fast, and

988
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 8: it doesn't slow down that quickly with just one week

989
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 8: of practice with the first team. It gets harder before

990
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 8: it gets easier, and that's the thing I'm worried about

991
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 8: with Shador. So I think it's Gabriel's team with the

992
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 8: season over. But I think this week we get to finally,

993
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 8: you know, see the the talking heads that were like

994
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 8: yelling at you know, evaluated that they don't understand quarterbacks

995
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 8: in the league might have to choose some fat now

996
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 8: because of you know, there's a Shador Sanders who went

997
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 8: to the round that might have gone maybe seven.

998
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 2: Well, I checked score Gami We've never had a five

999
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: to two final score in the NFL.

1000
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 5: Maybe it happens in Vegas on Sunday.

1001
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: All right, Sure, he's Mark Dominic, former NFL GM of

1002
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He joins us every Friday. Twenty

1003
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 2: years of work in the front office. Mark, love your insight.

1004
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: Love talking to you. Happy Thanksgiving because we won't talk

1005
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: to you before then. And appreciate the time as always.

1006
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 8: Yes, enjoy your thanks. Thanks for having me on.

1007
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: By the way, your fantasy team took a hard hit

1008
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: last night. I saw that on Twitter. Yeah, yeah, gosh.

1009
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 3: Adrian Hill hamstring injury. I started him at ref monci.

1010
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 3: I started him at referee and he left in the

1011
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 3: third quarter. It was garbage.

1012
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 5: It was a a plus plus tweet. I gotta say, listen,

1013
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 5: I don't feel bad for you, Josh Allen gave you

1014
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 5: a big fat zero. Okay, I lost my refer.

1015
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 3: I lost my ref potentially for the season, at least

1016
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: for a couple of weeks.

1017
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a one. Yeah. I'm in a keeper

1018
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 5: ref league.

1019
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: So I had ed Hockey Lee for so long and

1020
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: then he retired. So I've just locked up Adrian Hill.

1021
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 5: And this a year. You can't get anybody off the way, No,

1022
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 5: you got it.

1023
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: You know who's available is the guy who filled in

1024
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: for Adrian Hill is the umpire. He is now available

1025
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: for all Rep Fantasy leagues. Oh man, give it him

1026
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: the business. Remember that one. That one is sixty nine offense.

1027
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: He was giving him the business. Oh great stuff, thanks

1028
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: MONSI uh, I do want to talk about Dak Prescott quickly.

1029
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 5: Sure.

1030
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 2: Dak is one hundred and sixty yards away from becoming

1031
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: the all time passing yardage leader for the Dallas Cowboys,

1032
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: breaking a mark set by the guy he replaced, Tony Romo.

1033
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 10: I'm humbled, thankful to be healthy and to be in

1034
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 10: this position to do it. I was on the production

1035
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 10: call earlier and they asked me the same thing, what

1036
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 10: I've thought this ten years ago? And I said, yeah,

1037
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 10: I was very arrogant as a rookie. So and when

1038
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 10: you when you're playing this game long enough and you

1039
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 10: and you can stay healthy with my expectations of what

1040
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 10: my play is, that's supposed to happen. So just thankful, humble,

1041
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 10: super grateful to to be playing the game I love

1042
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 10: at this high level and to still be doing it,

1043
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 10: and just look forward to keep going that any of

1044
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 10: those actually plan to that, it's definitely something to be shared,

1045
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 10: whether it be with CD, whether it be with Omar.

1046
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 10: I had a big part of it, right, all these receivers,

1047
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 10: I mean, Michael Gallup played a big part in any

1048
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 10: of these records, right, Dalton Schultz, Jake Ferd, Witting like

1049
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 10: so many of them. So I'm just a product of

1050
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 10: a lot of great players. And that's my point. When

1051
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 10: you play a long time and you play with the

1052
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 10: standard and expectations that I have, you should accomplish these

1053
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 10: type of things.

1054
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: He's on his way to being a top three Cowboys

1055
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 2: quarterback of all time, and honestly, like if you were

1056
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: to win a Super Bowl, automatic Hall of Famer. It's true.

1057
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: I know it's crazy to talk about the Cowboys like that,

1058
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: but when you consider, like how we look at Roger

1059
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: Staubach and Troy Yikman of being like the top two levels.

1060
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: Like when Dak took over for Tony Romo, I mean,

1061
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 2: Tony Roma had to give a speech and the whole deal,

1062
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: like that's gonna be have a better career than Tony Romo.

1063
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 2: And if if they could win football games, he may

1064
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: even climb higher up on that list.

1065
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 5: I'll say one quick thing.

1066
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: One you know, we you know, we live in this

1067
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: ring culture, right, and it's like I gotta do that.

1068
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 3: There is something to be said about a dude starting

1069
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 3: his career and ending his career with one organization, even

1070
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 3: if he doesn't reach the pinnacle, or he doesn't reach

1071
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 3: it at the top of his game, or he doesn't

1072
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,479
Speaker 3: win a bunch of rings like Mahomes or Steph Curry

1073
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 3: or whoever. The other thing I will say, remember years

1074
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 3: ago when Tony Romo got that big announcing contract, you know,

1075
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 3: twenty million a year or whatever. I was filling in

1076
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 3: with Arnie Spanier and lady said, what's your first take?

1077
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: And I said, Dak, in the middle of all those

1078
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 3: contract negotiations, just stay a Cowboy because there's something to

1079
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: starting and finishing your career somewhere. There's also something to

1080
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: being a Cowboys quarterback that takes you through the rest

1081
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: of life. And I think Dak is going to do

1082
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 3: very well in whatever his pursuits are post career, assuming

1083
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 3: of course, that he finished his career with the Cowboys.