WEBVTT - Miss Debbie Gibson

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<v Speaker 1>Misspelling with Tory spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like a little bit of a dream. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm dreaming right now, thank you, because you

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<v Speaker 2>and I are in bed together with a giant Teddy

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<v Speaker 2>giant bear.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys. Yeah, perverse fantasy. You never knew you need.

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<v Speaker 2>She's been wanting to say perverse for like perverse. I

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<v Speaker 2>kept trying to think of that word forever, like what's

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<v Speaker 2>the word for this? Nailed?

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<v Speaker 1>It is the word.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm wearing your t shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that so much. Yeah, and this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fitting because the I had a giant, well not

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<v Speaker 1>this giant, but a Teddy Bear on my first album.

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<v Speaker 2>Cover my gosh, I own that album.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I had the tape, I had the tape, the cassette,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. How many pencils did We always loved

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<v Speaker 1>that cassettes when they came loose and you had to

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<v Speaker 1>get perform. I forgot there's an Instagram post with that

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<v Speaker 1>where there's like surgeons with a cassette really on the

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<v Speaker 1>operating table with the vessel.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I ever. I think I just moved on

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<v Speaker 2>to a new tape. I don't think I ever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd have my little cassette player and I used to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to your music. For some reason, I used to

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<v Speaker 2>like to go into my bathroom and sit on the

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<v Speaker 2>toilet and.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, this is information I never knew.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I did. No, I wasn't even like peeing

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<v Speaker 2>or pooping. I would just sit in there because I

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<v Speaker 2>love to listen to your music and cry because it

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<v Speaker 2>was like it felt like this, like oh, this speaks

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<v Speaker 2>to me, this is my life as a teenager. So

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<v Speaker 2>I would just like sit there and.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, I love that so much. I put on music.

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<v Speaker 1>I have music I put on now that like it

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<v Speaker 1>purposely it's a cry yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Or it just makes you feel something. It makes

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like you're like in a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I do that. I put movie Life on the Beach

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<v Speaker 1>and yes, go into the movie montage, just being in

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<v Speaker 1>your emotions. And I'm so like when I hear that

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<v Speaker 1>my music did that for you or for anybody out there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still mind blowing to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really Surreal's that, like, is this still shocking to think?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you've had such a huge impact on millions and

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<v Speaker 2>gazillions of people's life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's insane to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I and you're so normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. That's what I really know.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys like aw yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And as for you, like I showed up here today

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<v Speaker 1>and we're just like, hey, yeah, yeah, it's that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I really pride myself on, because it's just I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to You've got to just be like a

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<v Speaker 1>good grounded person in life first and foremost. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the mission. But yeah, like I've been doing these

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<v Speaker 1>Electric f thirty fifth Aniverse three shows, right, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always up there, Like literally I could cry because I

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote those songs as really my passion and my

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<v Speaker 1>hobby originally. And then to think, you know, thirty seven

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<v Speaker 1>years into us all knowing this music together, we're in

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<v Speaker 1>this theater at this venue or whatever, and I think,

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<v Speaker 1>just like what you just said, how many collective memories

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<v Speaker 1>are in this room this one song? You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>sing Foolish Beat or I thing lost in your Eyes?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think people tell me you know everything from

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my first kiss, my first slow dance. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>this hearing your voice helped me come out like people

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<v Speaker 1>it's and back then it was just considered this fun

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bubblegummy hooky music, but like the impact of

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<v Speaker 1>whatever that was for people is so it has been profound,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I cant yeah, I kind I can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>this is my life get.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's amazing that it like surpasses generations because now,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know, like my kids, I was playing

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<v Speaker 2>your music, so I was like, this is my friend

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast, and they're like, oh, we know, we know

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<v Speaker 2>her mom, we know music. It's on TikTok because now

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<v Speaker 2>people like I love that the younger generation. I love

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<v Speaker 2>the people now because you know, so everything's in again.

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<v Speaker 2>You love the bear.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the bear. I mean it's a little I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 2>To like get cozy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's better?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that better?

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<v Speaker 1>That's maybe a little better.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weight, it's do you want to sit between his legs?

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of want to? Oh that's comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>That's comfy.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi she was She was singing before we started, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, this would be so nice.

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<v Speaker 2>I I can maybe go off ambient. If I had

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<v Speaker 2>Debbie Gibson in my bed every night just singing me

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<v Speaker 2>a lullaby, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Made it should be an ANI commercial.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to take Ambien, Like, so, I that's truth

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<v Speaker 1>and advertising. My assistant's jotting down.

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<v Speaker 2>Ambient to sell ambient.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really good Why haven't I done any sleep

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping pill commercials with? Yes? That is?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, do I get a referral fear or something?

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<v Speaker 1>You get something fat of that? I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I won't take much something sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait did you ever eat on Ambien?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that type of Amien taking, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it just put me right out. Okay, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's good. Yeah. I have a good friend that takes

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<v Speaker 1>Ambient and he'll call on Ambien and it's really fun. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he just kind of yeah, or he'll be

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<v Speaker 1>like walking around like he used to live in New

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<v Speaker 1>York and be like I just walked around.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it literally takes your memory from you, like you,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, people were like you said this or that,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like you You're like, I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know. I think I flirted really inappropriately with

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<v Speaker 1>with one of my friends who I should not have

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<v Speaker 1>been doing that with on an ambient call. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>friends with him anymore, not because of that. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just someone of a certain time. But yeah, I did that,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I didn't. I totally didn't remember what I said.

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<v Speaker 1>I sleep pretty well now now I'm like, if I

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<v Speaker 1>don't sleep all through the night, I think I'm supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be up processing something and I just go with

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<v Speaker 1>it now really, Oh yeah, I don't take anything anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I just make really strange recipes on anbion.

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<v Speaker 2>It's anything that you wouldn't think goes together somehow goes

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly when I'm concocting.

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<v Speaker 1>So funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it's I had this thing. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I want it because I wouldn't tell my friends. They'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, here's what I made last night. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, we should put a cookbook together, like

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<v Speaker 2>an ambient cookbook.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Ambien needs to be like sponsoring your

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<v Speaker 1>podcast and my tour now because we've just we've just

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<v Speaker 1>given them so much love and airtime. Oh oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>that's hysterical. I love that you have Missus Beasley over

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<v Speaker 1>there too.

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<v Speaker 2>I do, and Missus Beasley in the corner and a

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<v Speaker 2>cabbage patch and a cabbage tack.

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<v Speaker 1>I have an original cabbage patch from when my grandma

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<v Speaker 1>braved all the the Grandma's the stampede to get the

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<v Speaker 1>cabbage point right. His name is Homer. He's a bald premie.

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<v Speaker 2>His name's what Homer, Homer, Homer Homer.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot his middle name and he's a bald premie.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted a bald PREMI do you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what mine's name is?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>It's me? Victoria Davey. Oh mom. My mom had a

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<v Speaker 2>store in the eighties and she carried cabbage patch dolls there.

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<v Speaker 2>And Xavier Roberts, who created it, actually signed They're all

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<v Speaker 2>on the tush have a stamp of his name. This

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<v Speaker 2>one's actually signed by him as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know date the Davy part, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>spell it? D A V. E.

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<v Speaker 2>Y is my middle name and it's after my grandfather

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<v Speaker 2>who passed my name with David. So I've kind of

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<v Speaker 2>gone with that with my kids.

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<v Speaker 1>They have.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I like middle names. Are people that have passed

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<v Speaker 2>that we loved.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the male female twist names like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And my my second youngest son, his name is

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<v Speaker 2>Finn Davy. Because we had so many kids, we ran

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<v Speaker 2>out of loved ones that have passed.

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<v Speaker 1>So, oh my god, how you do it? Everybody out

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<v Speaker 1>there parents. Hats off to you. I have two docs

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<v Speaker 1>ands and I need to help take I need people

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<v Speaker 1>helping me take care of my wife. It's I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it hard. Docksin didn't like me.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's just you know, it's always the little ones

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<v Speaker 1>that they puff out their chest. And I wish imitate

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<v Speaker 1>you that he would have. He would have been on

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<v Speaker 1>your lap in five minutes. But he just was, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, not j his job. Yeah, I'm a people pleaser,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm also like a huge dog lover, so I

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<v Speaker 2>do get bum when dogs don't like me.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, he would.

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<v Speaker 2>He wouldn't understand. I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>When we have our sleepover party where you're making crazy

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<v Speaker 1>recipes and I'm yeah singing and.

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<v Speaker 2>You're singing to me.

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<v Speaker 1>We well, bring Joe, I'll warm up to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually watching this in my head right now and

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<v Speaker 2>it's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Should should we like live stream it just for Shure singing? Totally? Should?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that is that another really funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh we create good ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to go out on the town. T Are

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<v Speaker 1>you single?

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<v Speaker 2>See you single?

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<v Speaker 1>Me too? Let's do it? Could you imagine us out

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<v Speaker 1>on the don't. I don't really go out a lot though,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I'm such a I don't know. I either

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<v Speaker 1>do plans with really good friends, but I'm super low

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<v Speaker 1>key about the same. Usually if I'm in well out here,

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<v Speaker 1>I do my RV. Like, so I live technically I

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<v Speaker 1>live in Vegas, that's where my home is. But I

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<v Speaker 1>live in my RV and I'm out here.

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<v Speaker 2>So how often are you in LA I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>In a lot. I mean, like, if I'm not touring,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a lot, like I have twenty six or

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<v Speaker 1>so shows coming up for the rest of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>which is nuts, then I'm between Vegas and here. But

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<v Speaker 1>then it like kind of started to become more here

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<v Speaker 1>than there, because who doesn't want to wake up looking

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<v Speaker 1>at I mean, I was never a beach baby. And

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<v Speaker 1>my late mom, she was originally from Florida, she was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the beach, the beach, the beach. She grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in Florida, spent her childhood years there, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'll get it. I just don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I was in New York, you know, give

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<v Speaker 1>me the city. And then I discovered it my way,

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<v Speaker 1>which is this way with the r V. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>still very kind of bohemian and I love it so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I always wanted to live there and then I had.

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<v Speaker 1>Really it's really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd have to have a million RVs.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I do you need like a tour

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<v Speaker 1>bus which and they come there too, they they pull

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<v Speaker 1>in there. It's really really cool. I just love the

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<v Speaker 1>I love the freedom in it. But yeah, I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>out here quite a bit now, so I'm there part

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<v Speaker 1>of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I love it. So why originally.

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas my ex my now ex, Well, yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 1>was living I was living here, I was living in

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<v Speaker 1>la and then I moved in with him and then

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<v Speaker 1>we were back and forth to Vegas a lot. It's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the suburbs of Vegas are kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>living in any nice mountain town. Like I like it

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<v Speaker 1>better than most suburbs in the world because it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel that so again, it feels mountainy, like you wake

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<v Speaker 1>up every day and you see them. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not far from Red Rocks, and like, I've learned to

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<v Speaker 1>love the West Coast and nature and sunshine. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the Strip twenty to thirty minutes away. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want it, right, And every now and again, like

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<v Speaker 1>the weird thing is, I'll wake up and I'll be like,

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<v Speaker 1>like if it's super hot, like it's summertime, I'll be like,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like walking. You just you can go to

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<v Speaker 1>a casino, you can go to Caesars and just like

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<v Speaker 1>walk around and kind of lose yourself. Like it's weird

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<v Speaker 1>to have a place like that to go twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>So every now and again I use Vegas for weird

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, Right, but you can always get a

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<v Speaker 1>nice meal or go to a nice show, or you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to go anywhere near the stream.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's really cool. I mean too, they have best rest,

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<v Speaker 1>great food, and you're just a hop, skip and a

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<v Speaker 1>jump from here anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, it's like me living in the valley.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hop skipping a jump to the West side. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I never go. But we're gonna go.

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<v Speaker 1>We're we're gonna go do something.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we going out in La or Vegas?

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<v Speaker 1>Two blondes on the town. We're bringing this teddy Bear,

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<v Speaker 1>No kidding, We're gonna go. Well, every want we can

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<v Speaker 1>go both, we can do both. Mm hmmmm.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean you're so busy, do you feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you even have time to date?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's a good question. I'm not really a

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<v Speaker 1>dater anyway. I'm more of like a meet someone, connect

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<v Speaker 1>with someone, connect you know. I'm just like it's on.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've never been a dater either.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's yeah, it's I kind of know when I

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<v Speaker 1>meet someone if it's you know, I don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so picky with my time and energy, which sounds as

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<v Speaker 1>you should be just am, I'm I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Your Debbie Gibson.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, thank you. Now, I feel like you know

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<v Speaker 1>my life. My life is so idealic, like I've set

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<v Speaker 1>up my life so that it's designed exactly how I

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<v Speaker 1>like it. So if something falls short of that in

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<v Speaker 1>any area, I don't want to bother like dating or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, but I'm at the point where I have

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<v Speaker 1>found like I feel like it's the person that comes

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<v Speaker 1>along and suddenly are creating this space for them, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I want to I want to keep talking

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<v Speaker 2>about dating, but I want to go back to you've

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<v Speaker 2>designed your life, you share somebody, I could do that

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<v Speaker 2>with my life, how do you?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen, it's easier because it's easier because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have kids, so for sure that makes it easier.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will say this, like for me and my career,

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<v Speaker 1>which I feel like you're doing by having a podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like you're doing just a lesson behold and

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<v Speaker 1>you could be to people and to any big machines.

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<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, the better your life becomes. And the

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<v Speaker 1>thing about it is like, so my badass manager, Heather

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<v Speaker 1>who I who was like my mom's protege for eight

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<v Speaker 1>nine years in the nineties early two thousands, took over

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<v Speaker 1>for my mom to go over the management and we

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<v Speaker 1>really have been We have hand picked who's on our

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<v Speaker 1>team and everything I do. Like, if I ever vent

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<v Speaker 1>about the schedule being crazy, it's mine. I created the schedule,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, I really look at things. I look

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<v Speaker 1>at like on tour, I'm not a how many shows

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<v Speaker 1>can I do in a row? I'm a realist. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm singing top of my range, like I have to

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<v Speaker 1>have these kinds of day these days off. I also

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<v Speaker 1>now that I have the RV that's like my mini

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<v Speaker 1>tour bus, and I want to see things I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to just I love doing shows, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to live just for the shows anymore. I really

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<v Speaker 1>look at my life with like how can I balance it?

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<v Speaker 1>And how can I leave time for unexpected things to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>And how can I really rest? You know, people say

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<v Speaker 1>I'll sleep when i'm I'm like, yeah, but I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be rested while I'm here to enjoy things. And

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<v Speaker 1>I need to sleep a lot. So I built in

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<v Speaker 1>nap time and sleep time.

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<v Speaker 2>And this blows me away. Wait have you always been

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<v Speaker 2>this way?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen, I was with Atlantic Records. I'm working

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<v Speaker 1>on my book and I talk a lot about this

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<v Speaker 1>in the book. So I was with Atlantic Records. You

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<v Speaker 1>know those I get the first year. I love that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you can do that. Listen to the audiobook. I will

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<v Speaker 1>do an audiobook.

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<v Speaker 2>Well can you read it to me? Like just a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of times here with all were.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect? Oh my god. So you know, I started on

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<v Speaker 1>a major label and all that, and and eventually it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the fun and confusing part about being me, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe to the outside world, is like I'm a mainstream

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<v Speaker 1>artist and how I write songs and how I like

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<v Speaker 1>to put on a show and all that, but I

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<v Speaker 1>have an indie spirit. So it's like, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing things the hard way, but in a way where

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<v Speaker 1>like when people come to a show of mine, they're

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<v Speaker 1>stepping into my world. Like it's a world that's so

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<v Speaker 1>specific to me. It's not like one of the big promoters,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of had anything to say, or I

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<v Speaker 1>look at every website of every venue and go is

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<v Speaker 1>this the right venue for this particular show, and like

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<v Speaker 1>everything's just you know, I think, like I told you

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<v Speaker 1>about my Diamond debheads, my core fan group. They're my community.

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<v Speaker 1>They are like my family. They're with me because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>like we have this unique experience that we're all in together.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like New Kids does it too, and they've

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<v Speaker 1>done it now on this huge scale with like my

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<v Speaker 1>summer tour, a mixtape tour which I was part of.

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<v Speaker 2>And.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they would never find a label that would understand

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<v Speaker 1>their fandom and what they have developed. It's like we've

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<v Speaker 1>all built our thing over many, many years and over

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<v Speaker 1>because we're being authentic and I think our audiences know that.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, So there came a point in my career

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<v Speaker 1>where I literally walked away from ten million dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>advance of money and said I can't sleep at night

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<v Speaker 1>doing it your way, my way, but my way, but

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<v Speaker 1>your way. But like it's you start feeling like you're

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<v Speaker 1>selling your soul and the audience starts going, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I know who you were, But now I'm a little confused,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, yeah, me too, because I'm it's that

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<v Speaker 1>art and commerce balance, you know. So for me, it's

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<v Speaker 1>that getting the RV was this hugely freeing thing. For me,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, let me explore my adventure, like that's

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<v Speaker 1>my form of adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't really understand. Sorry, you literally travel in

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<v Speaker 2>the RV from Vegas here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but I try. I've put thirty thousand miles on

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<v Speaker 1>it around the country with a driver. But then I

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<v Speaker 1>get behind that when I'm not napping on it between shows,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get behind the wheel. Like last tour, I learned

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<v Speaker 1>how to downshift in this the same way Washington and Oregon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my god. Yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's become this little it's I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know how how I would have been touring

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of years without it, because tour buses,

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<v Speaker 1>the rental and the union drivers and the like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole thing. So I've just figured out how do

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<v Speaker 1>you look.

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<v Speaker 2>To pay for that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, what like, we'll put it this way. So

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<v Speaker 1>when I did the mixtape tour with New Kids, like,

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<v Speaker 1>they pay me a lovely sum of money, but a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it is going to the tour bus and

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<v Speaker 1>the driver, and the driver has to be in a

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<v Speaker 1>union and you can only drive certain hours and you

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<v Speaker 1>can I didn't. Girl. I parked this in a Walmart

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<v Speaker 1>parking lot. Me and my driver go, do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep a few hours? You will sleep a few hours.

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<v Speaker 1>You get up and I jokingly say, you buy a

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<v Speaker 1>They make the best French cruller anywhere in Walmart. You

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<v Speaker 1>wake up and you're having your French Crawler and you're

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<v Speaker 1>buying like ten dollars pajamas you didn't know you needed. Yes, French,

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<v Speaker 1>is that which one is? It's like the no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the fluffy like Duncan makes it now in only

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the country. I know way too much about

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<v Speaker 1>the French croller. Maybe there's a recipe when we can

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<v Speaker 1>make our own wit something. They're kind of like just

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<v Speaker 1>fluffy or yes, they're kind of they're round, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>a little twisty, like yeah, they're they have like like

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<v Speaker 1>lind ridges in them, but they're like lighter than a

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<v Speaker 1>regular donut. They just are different. I don't know, a croller,

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<v Speaker 1>a French croler. It's like see ru e ll e r.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we have a picture. But yeah, so like

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<v Speaker 1>there's just a there's like a free flow in my

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<v Speaker 1>life right now. Anything that I don't oh, okay, anything

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't have to put on a schedule, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to, Like if I can play things to

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<v Speaker 1>the last minute and I'm gonna drive here or just

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<v Speaker 1>let like I just live my life in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that agrees with me, and I just I just design

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<v Speaker 1>it as best as I can. And yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I look at I look at some artists

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<v Speaker 1>you know, on Instagram and whatever, and I think, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, Like I love Kylie Minogue and I think

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<v Speaker 1>she's like having the best career moment of her life.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also say, okay, the type a career woman

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<v Speaker 1>and me like wants to have that year. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I go that also suddenly looks exhausting to me. And

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<v Speaker 1>people think I'm working all the time, and they think,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, You're on the road all the time

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<v Speaker 1>and coming up it gets a little more intense. It's

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<v Speaker 1>still not as intense as most. I just make it

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<v Speaker 1>so that it's so like I love to think every

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<v Speaker 1>time I go out, I'm elevating. I'm elevating and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>creating moments and I'm doing things very specifically, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it feels bigger, faster, better, But it's actually not. It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually like I'm conserving my energy and then I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>high output. But it's in a very intentional way, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of just more peaceful and more comfortable in

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<v Speaker 1>my skin and happier with my art and all of

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<v Speaker 1>it than I've ever been. It's all very connected.

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<v Speaker 2>When you were young, was it just like you just

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<v Speaker 2>want My stomach is going not saying oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that's okay. It wants a croller right there you go, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but I kind of want it savory, like can they

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<v Speaker 2>make that and drizzle like savory over it?

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<v Speaker 1>I have to shift like the sweet and savory this.

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<v Speaker 2>Take your boots off, get cozy, we're keeping all. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a heated weight at blanket. Would you like one? Okay? Good?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get up.

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I totally forgot I have the tension span of a gnat, Like, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, I don't know, it's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't fall off to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>His moment, I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying, when you were younger, Oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, was it like was it crazy? Was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it just like go o go and in your

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<v Speaker 2>mind at the time, where you like, I have to

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<v Speaker 2>keep going because.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, everything's momentum based, and I'm sure it was for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Look in the video you look very tall, and

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<v Speaker 2>I look like this little person here very.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very Alice in Wonderland. So yeah, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>think about like the tour bus days when I was younger,

0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:22.600
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't take anything in. It was just the

0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 1>country was going by outside the window, and I didn't.

0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I was so fixated on being perfect on stage and

0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.119
<v Speaker 1>the schedule, and I was anxious all the time. And

0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm still a little anxious, but like some an adrenaline girl.

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<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, I just didn't. I didn't realize all

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<v Speaker 1>the things that life had to offer, you know, and now.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you You were young, you were going going going like.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's kind of like a practice too, like like

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<v Speaker 1>I do meet in greets, right, and I'll meet one

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.399
<v Speaker 1>hundred people before my show or after my show. It

0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 1>before and it's weirdly more energy. Yet it's more energy

0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:03.119
<v Speaker 1>than the sh I swear it is because every my

0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:06.560
<v Speaker 1>mom used to do this unbelievable impersonation of me at

0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:08.760
<v Speaker 1>meet and greets. And you've done a million autograph signings

0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:11.240
<v Speaker 1>and things where you know, you reset for every person.

0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:14.960
<v Speaker 1>You're like hi, and you and You're aware, I'm aware

0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:19.879
<v Speaker 1>this is this person's minute, you know, And I want

0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:24.160
<v Speaker 1>to make sure I'm like so engaged and so present.

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:26.600
<v Speaker 1>I want to I want because they want to meet me,

0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:28.720
<v Speaker 1>but they want me to meet them. They want to

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<v Speaker 1>know Share said it like she said, they want they

0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.199
<v Speaker 1>want to know I met that. They want this is

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:37.800
<v Speaker 1>somebody's moment to tell me their story and I want

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:40.879
<v Speaker 1>to hear it, and so like, it's that that requires

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know how teachers do what they do

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:45.680
<v Speaker 1>because I like taught summer camps and programs and things.

0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:47.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like but it's that level of engagement. But it's

0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.159
<v Speaker 1>like you as a mom, right, I'm.

0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Not that engaged anymore. Wait, I feel like I gave

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<v Speaker 2>my best spears since oh my.

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<v Speaker 1>God, But you know that present, like you're so in

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:02.400
<v Speaker 1>it you don't even know how tired you are till

0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:06.440
<v Speaker 1>you're done. You're tired. I mean, so where's the show.

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:08.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm a little more in control of that output, and

0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:10.199
<v Speaker 1>it's just different, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, meeting your fans. It's people can't quite

0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:20.120
<v Speaker 2>understand it because I know, like i'd been doing conventions now,

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:22.840
<v Speaker 2>which I hadn't done a lot in the last few years.

0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 2>We've been doing them, and they'll always be like, your

0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:28.920
<v Speaker 2>people are waiting too long. You got to go faster,

0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:32.160
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I can't. I can't go faster.

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Because they tried to curfews at venues in a I know,

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:38.399
<v Speaker 1>I want them.

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<v Speaker 2>Each to have that time. How can you say no,

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:44.640
<v Speaker 2>like you know, you signed something and.

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Go I know, and for you, like you think about

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 1>people were in You were in people's living rooms in

0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:55.880
<v Speaker 1>their most formative years, and I mean, it's so special

0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 1>that they get to meet you.

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm the though I still don't see it, like how

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:06.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, influential we were as a TV show on

0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:11.880
<v Speaker 2>people's childhoods and lives and yeah, I can't see it either,

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Like I understand it, right, but like you're talking about

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 2>it I'm like, well, yeah, like I can see like

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:21.439
<v Speaker 2>for you as an outsider, I'm like, yes, it's huge

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:23.200
<v Speaker 2>for people, but it's so hard to see it when

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 2>it's yourself, right right, It's just well, i'm here to

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:29.040
<v Speaker 2>tell you, and I'm here to tell you made a.

0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Huge impact on people, and you were yeah, I mean

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:34.680
<v Speaker 1>that show is just that show is really special.

0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Same sister, same. But see, what's great is a musician

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 2>you can keep going as an artist like.

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 1>And yes, it's a real like you know, people use

0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:47.159
<v Speaker 1>the word reinvent. I don't know if it's reinvent, but

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 1>it is, like you listen, it's again it's hard. I'm

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:55.320
<v Speaker 1>not gonna lie. It's like my manager and I always

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:56.120
<v Speaker 1>are like kind of.

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Like are we there yet?

0:25:58.160 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Just when I think like, oh, maybe I'll get a

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:02.600
<v Speaker 1>little easier, like we'll go to that next echelon. And

0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 1>then by the way, I said the what I said

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 1>earlier about big machines, but when you establish the thing

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:09.280
<v Speaker 1>the way you want to, like, I did an album

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:11.679
<v Speaker 1>called The Body Remembers, and I did a couple of

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>tours and now I'd want to partner. It's kind of

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 1>like being a romantic, right when you know who you are.

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.639
<v Speaker 1>You're like, well, now I'd welcome the right partner because

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>we've already created the thing with the way we want

0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:25.679
<v Speaker 1>and you can't mess with that. But but if someone's

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 1>going to come along understand my creative vision and help

0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:32.879
<v Speaker 1>elevate it, I'm ready for that, you know, right, But like, yeah, no,

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 1>it's hard, and we're doing it the hard way. It's

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:37.959
<v Speaker 1>like every venue and every like I have a small

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.960
<v Speaker 1>team and everyone's doing like customer service all the time,

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 1>like with the venues and the fans and that, like

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:47.719
<v Speaker 1>we just really it's it's really personal. You get what

0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.679
<v Speaker 1>you want, but it really is satisfying yourself and you do.

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Like I heard Taylor.

0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Swift talking about this recently too, It's like it's the

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five percent of the stuff people don't see you

0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:01.480
<v Speaker 1>do that allows for that five percent magical time I

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>get to spend on stage, which is like the big

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 1>payoff for me. But the ninety five percent of like

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the fourteen business hats you're wearing is the tiring part.

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 1>That's the hard part. And then you're and then I'm

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:12.679
<v Speaker 1>kind of like, oh, shoot, I haven't worked on my

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:14.640
<v Speaker 1>voice or the actual songs I'm doing the show are

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.359
<v Speaker 1>because I'm busy putting it all, putting it all together.

0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 1>So I'd like that to get a little easier. It's

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.679
<v Speaker 1>a boy to be honest. But we're still making it

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 1>work and bringing a lot of joy to people. And

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm rebuilding my touring career because I went into I

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 1>did a lot of theater, I did a lot of Broadway,

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 1>and so to come back and go, oh right, this

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 1>is really you know, this is what I started off doing,

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.399
<v Speaker 1>and it's a rebuild, and there's people who are stuck

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:41.640
<v Speaker 1>with me for many, many years. People were circling back

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 1>after three decades of losing track of me, and it's

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 1>really fun, it's really meaningful. It's really been a blast.

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Did you ever get nervous performing?

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, Like I said, I'm like, I'm an anxious person.

0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:57.919
<v Speaker 1>Like the most nerve wracking thing I'm about to do

0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 1>as this acoustic tour because when I do, I'm an

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 1>adrenaline girl. And so usually i'd come out and I

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 1>do three big energy you know, high energy numbers. I'm

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>dancing whatever, and then I ease my way into the ballads.

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:12.920
<v Speaker 1>This is me coming out a piano I might bring

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:14.879
<v Speaker 1>one musician with me. I haven't decided, but it's like

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:18.159
<v Speaker 1>it's on me, and it's I have to be grounded

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>and in this certain place. I've done things like this before,

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:23.640
<v Speaker 1>but not in a long time, so I know I'm

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:27.400
<v Speaker 1>going to be like I have to figure out the

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 1>new way of preparing for this particular show to kind

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.639
<v Speaker 1>of be set in a in a kind of zending

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:37.439
<v Speaker 1>place before I go out. So yeah, that's I do

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I get as a kid where you like, like, what

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>was your first big performance?

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Like how many? Like massive?

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, it was kind of a build

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>because I would perform in clubs for you know, two

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>hundred people at a time or whatever, two hundred of

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>drunken people at a time trying to pick someone up,

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 1>going like who's this little white chick trying to sing

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 1>some song about dream shot? And uh, I just always

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>just had that like ambition. I just always wanted to

0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>get like shut up and listen to the music people

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 1>and uh. But the biggest I mean I just remember

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>some of like the radio shows I started performing at,

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>like I remember was so random. I remember doing one

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>in Tampa at the Zoo with the Monkeys. It was

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 1>like one of those big crowds as far as the

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 1>I can see. But it kind of built to where

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 1>I was doing like clubs and then colleges and then

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>like you know the tour where I did Radio City

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>and I did the Greek and then it went into

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:39.959
<v Speaker 1>the arenas and it was like relatively fast. But also

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 1>it was so I did clubs for like nine months.

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I did like three shows a night, four nights a week,

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and so nine months into my career, I was like

0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 1>exhausted and people were just hearing about me, right, So

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting because things were a little different from my perspective.

0:29:56.400 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but then I did like the Rock and

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Rio festival, you know, like seventy five thousand people and

0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 1>one hundred thousand people. But it's weird. The bigger, the

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 1>bigger the crowd, the easier it was, really, yeah, because

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>it's just built on many people.

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 2>What do you see, Like, what is it from your perspective?

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just kind of this wall of energy

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 1>and adrenaline excitement, So like that makes it, in my opinion,

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 1>makes it makes it easier. Again, it's when you have

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 1>to me, when you have to hold a smaller, more

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 1>discerning room That's why doing Broadway like doing a miz

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, you get out there to sing on my own,

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>pretending he's this side. You know, the pie notes coming.

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Everyone's seated, they're in toxes, They've paid a lot of money,

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 1>they know what they're like, They're expecting something specific, and

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 1>like that's where nerve. I mean, I was always nervous

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 1>before Broadway performances, and I had a very regimented life

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>and routine. And you know if people say, like, are

0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you coming back to Broadway, and I'm like, again, like

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 1>the things you have to sacrifice to do eight shows

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>a week, it's kind of sing like you live like

0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>a monk, Like you can't. It's your living for that,

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, that pristine kind of thing that both like,

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot, it's intense, and I did a lot

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 1>of it.

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 2>So I'm again anxiety.

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.719
<v Speaker 1>You talk about it, Yeah, Wow, it's like doing the anthem.

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>I did the anthem at the World Series when Kirk

0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Gibson hit the winning run eighty eight I think it

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 1>was eighty eight. It was the most petrifying minute and

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty seconds of my entire life, and uh yeah, and

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>usually what would happen with me is I'd get myself

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 1>to the place to do the thing, and then afterwards

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>I'd fall apart. Really oh yeah, I'd be like come

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>out of here, geme me out here. I need a

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 1>brown paper breathing in a brown paper bag, xanax all

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.479
<v Speaker 1>of it. Because I was. I was really anxious all

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>the time, and I was fatigued. Yes, I do not often,

0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>but when I.

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Do, whoo And did they come on from? Like stress? Anxiety?

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>Like work thousand percent? Like stress?

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 2>I have that moment down You're just like.

0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes and g I like if I'm not eating great

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 1>and I'm stressed and yeah, yeah, Like I went recently

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 1>went to see Neo's concert in at the Wind in Vegas.

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I had a migraine the next day. And I think

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>it's because I ate Asian food, which I don't usually eat.

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm in that recycled air and all the smoke and

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the chemicals and you know, people are smoking pot everywhere

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>in rooms and like it's chemistry for me. That gets

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>me too.

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you were going to be fifty four.

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 1>I am.

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 2>She has like barely any makeup on her skin is perfect.

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 1>This is oh my god, No, I have line I

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>have lines. Listen. Last year I had a little disport,

0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 1>and I'm always like I would say to my dancers

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Buddy and Eddie, who are too, They're my choreographers, choreographers

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 1>and my besties. I'm always like I miss my old forehead.

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>But again, like me and chemistry, like weird things happen,

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and so I'm like entertaining it again because when you're

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>touring and people are just pictures and videos and everything's

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 1>so close up, and I know I look at myself

0:32:57.960 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and off.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 2>But I'm here to say I'm sitting literally right in

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 2>front of her and she looks gay, thank you. But

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 2>I know that perfect forehead that when I watch TV

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 2>shows there's actresses our age and I'm like, wait, how

0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 2>did they have the perfect forehead? Like what I know,

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>where did they go? What did they use?

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 1>And when they use too much and nothing moves, I'm

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>really not happy. You're just like I'm expressing internally, but

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 1>I might want a little light light something again, just

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 1>because I start looking like you can't see this is

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>not close up, but between like I do the nose

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 1>scrunch and then like I have the.

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Call that the rabbit is it? The rabbit ears oh, I.

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>Don't know, and then I have deviated septums, so I

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>just start looking like a crazy person right here right there.

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, But I still look like me. And

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 1>that's why I like, I just want to always walk

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>that line, because I do think people want to see.

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you people say I've had like gazillion plastic surgeries

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>face and I'm like, it's so weird to me because

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I have and I've had my nose done and yeah,

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean I've had but.

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 1>You had a time like when you're kicking right, I

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.360
<v Speaker 1>was like to me, Yeah, it's totally crooked.

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm like scared to do it again because I'm like,

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 2>what if it doesn't look like me?

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:15.279
<v Speaker 1>No, you look great? You look great? Do you have

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:16.759
<v Speaker 1>hardly any makeup on today? Too?

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 2>And yoursense great.

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>I feel like this generation I say this like to

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 1>my audience all the time. I feel like we're like

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>just it's We're a super vital generation that does not

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 1>want to be put out to pasture. I'm just so

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 1>tired of like I remember growing up with the like

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 1>after forty you can't wear this, and you know, like right,

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I might, you know, as a choice sometime wear Chanel

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 1>suit or something, but not likely, Like I'm usually not

0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>happy in a blazer. I'm not happy in a I'm not.

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm just I have a youthful now.

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had for.

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Rock and roll kind of and you should always keep that.

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, because I'm not doing it for someone else.

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 2>I like how I look and I feel good. And

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 2>when I want to wear something different, I'll wear something different.

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:07.479
<v Speaker 2>But I'm not gonna dress because I'm told i should

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:08.359
<v Speaker 2>dress a certain way.

0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely not.

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 2>And she looks so hot, you guys, like, thank you.

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 2>We were outside in front of my house and I

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 2>was sitting on the ground and you were squatting, literally squatting,

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 2>and she held that post while we talked for how long?

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I was so jealous.

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Ah, your body is insane.

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Ah, thank you. I don't know, I just I've become

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>more relaxed about my body though, Like right now, I

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 1>have like I have like the fun I wear what

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:40.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, flatters it, but I have like the five

0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:43.399
<v Speaker 1>to seven whatever. But I'm like, you know what, I'm

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 1>enjoying eating bread and not caring and like there's just

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:49.800
<v Speaker 1>a balance. I always say there's just a balance and

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.880
<v Speaker 1>it's and it's decisions. It's like, you know what, I

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 1>might not be able to fit in that pair of

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>jeans right now, but I enjoy the freedom of eating

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.160
<v Speaker 1>the way I want, you know, within whatever the parameters

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I set for myself are and all the things. And

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 1>but that freedom shows up in your being, doesn't it?

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Like it again, if your life is agreeing with you.

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not like rigid.

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Do you work out a lot?

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't, That's the thing. So I was the over

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 1>worker out were you like the tybo and the yoga

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:31.319
<v Speaker 1>and the cardio on that because I used to do

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:33.720
<v Speaker 1>all the like over like tibo.

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I with all my friends and I was always the

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 2>first one to leave or go hide in the corner.

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>But you know when we used to do the like over,

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, join the Rebok Sports club and do the Yeah.

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 1>And what I learned about that was like my back

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:54.399
<v Speaker 1>started going out because my adrenals were crashing, like you

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>can't when you end for women of a certain age,

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 1>if your cortisol is getting if you're like so, if

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:05.440
<v Speaker 1>you're over working out, like I find, it's like so

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:07.880
<v Speaker 1>much of it is eating for me to keep myself

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:09.480
<v Speaker 1>looking how I want. But it's you know, I just

0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 1>eat things in moderation, but also flowy things like I

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:14.840
<v Speaker 1>do like a nice walk jog walk, jog on the beach,

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 1>you know. I jump on the peloton a little. I

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 1>dance in my I just try to stay in motion.

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>But when I get like on stage, I output to

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the point where, like I mean, my lungs are like

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:31.359
<v Speaker 1>are you freaking kidding me? But if I even with that,

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 1>I swear to you, a day or two later, I

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>look like I have more weight on me because the

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 1>cortisol levels are doing that, and so it's not about

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.760
<v Speaker 1>intensely working out for me anymore. But I have like muscle,

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 1>like I have biceps from the twenty thirty years I

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.320
<v Speaker 1>did biceps and now it's just muscle memory.

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:53.359
<v Speaker 2>You have no skin under your arm too.

0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I have a little bit a little bit. Yeah.

0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 2>My mom used to They would her and her friends

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:01.680
<v Speaker 2>would joke when I was young, like oh the wave

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:06.399
<v Speaker 2>goodbye on ye, Like Mom, that's so embarrassing. I don't

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 2>even know what she's saw. And I'm like, holy only.

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 1>That's that again. That's that margin where like for me,

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:16.360
<v Speaker 1>I have to be underweight for that to go away.

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:19.400
<v Speaker 1>So I'm just like, but no, I'm not doing like

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:21.680
<v Speaker 1>triceps these days and all that, but I and I

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>should do a little probably, But I'm telling you my

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 1>energy is always like I have an on season and

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.480
<v Speaker 1>an off season, and my body doesn't want me to

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.400
<v Speaker 1>work too hard physically in the off season. I have

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 1>to kind of save it up a little bit and

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 1>just do everything kind of light.

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I love that you know yourself so well.

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 1>But that's the thing too, So you know what I

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>feel like everybody like that's the thing. Because I've had

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 1>friends go like, you need to drink lemon water. I'm like, no,

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 1>you need to drink lemon water, because what happens when

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:54.240
<v Speaker 1>I drink it just goes right, Like my stomach acts

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 1>like I have an ulcer all the time, Like I

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 1>have to be at bland. And so there's no one

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:00.359
<v Speaker 1>size fits all any thing.

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 2>True.

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.200
<v Speaker 1>You have to know yourself, you know.

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but also just what you want in life.

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:09.360
<v Speaker 1>One thousand percent one thousand percent.

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Like I just turned fifty one and I'm still like, wait,

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:13.839
<v Speaker 2>what is it I want in life?

0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Like and what is it you want next? Like do

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 1>you have a thing that and how old is your

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:23.800
<v Speaker 1>youngest child, Devin, Wow, so you have a little while

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:25.320
<v Speaker 1>do you have ten years?

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:29.759
<v Speaker 1>Of yeah, super hands on. But see sixty one these

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:32.760
<v Speaker 1>days is young, so you're gonna have this whole other chapter.

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Tell me sixty one when you're sixty one, So you're

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>fifty one now, two years right when you're youngest to seventeen.

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 1>That's still like a whole fresh I look at my my,

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, pop singer peers like Belinda Carlisle, like she's like,

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.759
<v Speaker 1>what sixty four sixty five, like these women who are

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 1>just rocking it in their shah yah. Right, So you're

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna have this whole it's different now, yeah, but it

0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:00.880
<v Speaker 1>sounds like also you have right because your your single

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:04.239
<v Speaker 1>now again. But yeah, what I don't know, Like for

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.800
<v Speaker 1>me the r V, I didn't know I wanted that adventure,

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 1>but I started seeing them on the road and I

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 1>got this little thing in my head about it, and

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 1>then I just once I get the thing in my head,

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I have to do it really yeah, but it ends

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:20.640
<v Speaker 1>up happening. Do you have any of those types of Oh.

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Sure, I mean there's so much I want to do.

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:27.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's more like I'm very work driven so

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.400
<v Speaker 2>it is hard for me to find that balance between

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>children and work and then finding a little bit of

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:40.759
<v Speaker 2>myself somewhere there. And I think having gone through my

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:45.240
<v Speaker 2>X and I sweating up and really doing that, I'm

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 2>able to see a little bit more of myself there

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 2>because I'm finally like, okay, I have to put myself

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:53.719
<v Speaker 2>out free, you know, free, whoa I'm like just coming out.

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 1>That's okay, don't at it.

0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I guess that's what my body wanted to say.

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, yeah, a thousand per se. But really I

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 1>would imagine like every partnership, like I wasn't a ten

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.399
<v Speaker 1>year thing, and he and I are still friends, but yeah,

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:12.840
<v Speaker 1>do you live your life differently? You know? And again

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:16.719
<v Speaker 1>I speaking from somebody who's been solo for most of

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:20.200
<v Speaker 1>my life really and especially the last five years. It's fun,

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:23.439
<v Speaker 1>it's nice. And again, I know you have the kids

0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 1>in their schedule and everything.

0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:27.239
<v Speaker 2>So it's the oldest one writing ten years. So let's

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:29.919
<v Speaker 2>say he's seventeen. Let's say when he's eighteen, I'm sixty two.

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 2>I could then maybe meet somebody and have like a

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.560
<v Speaker 2>whole life because the kids will be out there else,

0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>they'll be on their own doing their own thing, although

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't really want them to leave. I don't want

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:41.400
<v Speaker 2>to go really.

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.439
<v Speaker 1>And in the meantime you can meet people now too,

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:45.759
<v Speaker 1>but again you can also just do things for you.

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not very good at being alone.

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 1>You think, just because you're used to it, or well,

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 1>I say.

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 2>That, but I don't really know. I've never been alone.

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I would be great at.

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:00.040
<v Speaker 1>It, And I'm like the weirdly the opposite. So I

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 1>keep saying, Oh, I think I really want a partner now,

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:05.719
<v Speaker 1>and then when it's eight PM and I'm watching a

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 1>movie with my two dogs ands, I'm like, I'm so

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 1>glad nobody's here right now. Now. A lot of that,

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 1>weirdly is because I use my voice a lot for

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>singing and sometimes I don't want to talk.

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I love that a lot.

0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Excessively, and so like the fantasy is that I have

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 1>this partner who totally understands that, like like I would

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>like I do want I do want to have someone

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 1>where I could just be like, be quiet, just be

0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 1>in somebody's presence and be comfortable, relaxed, and that does

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 1>appeal to me. Now, Like I put that to the universe,

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 1>that i'd want that now.

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe it's not after eight pm, like they just

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:45.560
<v Speaker 2>hang with you and then they leave it.

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:48.439
<v Speaker 1>Eight the right, it's just quiet time.

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's never quite in my house. Like you just

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 2>reference that like being in bed with your dogs and

0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:58.080
<v Speaker 2>it's eight o'clock and I'm like, oh.

0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 1>I know, because I hear from my sisters with kids.

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, I know. It's a very I live

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>a very different life, but I also sometimes have the

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.720
<v Speaker 1>opposite feeling where I'm like, oh, it would be fun

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to have a little crew around right now. It's built

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.800
<v Speaker 1>in energy, right, and it's built in focus because sometimes

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm also so alone with my thoughts and my emotions.

0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like stupid because it's like nobody should be this,

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:24.320
<v Speaker 1>it should have this much time alone with their Especially

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:26.280
<v Speaker 1>in that RV. I'm always like it's just a recipe

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:29.280
<v Speaker 1>for being in your feelings. It's like four walls twenty

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 1>five feet and you're just like there's nothing to do

0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:36.719
<v Speaker 1>but cry. Like that's what happens sometimes to me.

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you watch movies, Well, what do you mean you can?

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:42.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean I do, but yeah, it is a lot

0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 1>of like introspection to a degree, there's like probably a

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 1>balance between your scenario and my scenario.

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, imagine if we like trade it lives

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 2>for a week.

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling it's another idea Hallmark movie.

0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 2>We're trading one Hallmark.

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm way Tootflix. I know I've done some Hallmark

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I think I'm on the edge for Hallmark

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.680
<v Speaker 1>these days too, weirdly, like I'm not the edgiest person,

0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:14.240
<v Speaker 1>but for Hallmarks sometimes, yeah, I think maybe. But okay,

0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:17.319
<v Speaker 1>so we'll bring it to Netflix and trade lives. We're

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 1>switching lives. You're going on the road to Yeah, harvy girl.

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't know if I could tour.

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:24.760
<v Speaker 1>I grew in your concert, and I would not send

0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:28.080
<v Speaker 1>your kids out to school looking like they're supposed to do,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't. I don't dress a kid for school

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<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. Oh my god, it's so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I've gotten so lazy with my youngest one because there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many at night. I put him in his clothes

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<v Speaker 2>for the day next day and convinced.

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<v Speaker 1>It's cool to do that. My god, that is so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, dinner, he takes his back, oh my god. Sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm just kidding. He always takes his bad it's hysterical.

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But then I'll be like he dude,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I rationalize with him, and he's good at that.

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I was like, you know, it'll save like an extra

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes if we get dressed now, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>sleep later and I can sleep later. Wink wink. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's so he sleeps in his clothes. That is really funny.

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<v Speaker 2>My bad, mom, No.

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<v Speaker 1>I think listen. I think if you're getting through it,

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<v Speaker 1>you're good every day school, very few days, so we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see how it goes. But so far, so good. Any

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<v Speaker 1>plans for your birthday? You know, I did this really

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<v Speaker 1>awesome friends dinner last year with like thirty people at

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<v Speaker 1>this great French restaurant Juliette, And then this year, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I might be here. It might be Vegas. I might

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<v Speaker 1>be literally behind the wheel of my RV the day

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<v Speaker 1>of my birthday, which could be kind of weirdly fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Might be hold up with my dogs watching a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Might be at dinner with some friends. Like I would

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever falls in my lap this year and feels convenient,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I'm just going to be totally in the

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<v Speaker 1>moment about it. I have no desire for planning in

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<v Speaker 1>advance at all this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Great.

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<v Speaker 1>No, my fiftieth was, by the way, My fiftieth was

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<v Speaker 1>during COVID and I had a Zoom party and do

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<v Speaker 1>you know Richard Whites, My friend Richard White, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>have w co chair of wm ME. I figure you

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<v Speaker 1>guys know each other. He hosted and was said, narrated.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend Matt Oss British popster, he played and sang

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, all my friends were on Zoom Entertainment tonight

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<v Speaker 1>sent me over a cake which my neighbor knocked on

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<v Speaker 1>the door and delivered it to me. And when the

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<v Speaker 1>party was done, I closed my laptop and I went

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<v Speaker 1>up to my room with my dogs, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I am so happy I didn't have to think about

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<v Speaker 1>a big fiftieth bash, which inevitably someone would have got offended.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have forgotten my advisor. I wouldn't have wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to invite.

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<v Speaker 2>All the pressure, too much pressure, I loved.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of weirdly again, I'm like Hibernational and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need big to dos all the time. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the same, so it depends Yet where I am like somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody can take me to brunch if they want or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>Get her a French crouler from French.

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<v Speaker 1>For a French croller. That's it. That's it. Put a

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<v Speaker 1>candle in it. I'm good.