Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: This is like a little bit of a dream. I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm dreaming right now, thank you, because you
Speaker 2: and I are in bed together with a giant Teddy
Speaker 2: giant bear.
Speaker 1: Guys. Yeah, perverse fantasy. You never knew you need.
Speaker 2: She's been wanting to say perverse for like perverse. I
Speaker 2: kept trying to think of that word forever, like what's
Speaker 2: the word for this? Nailed?
Speaker 1: It is the word.
Speaker 2: And I'm wearing your t shirt.
Speaker 1: I love that so much. Yeah, and this is kind
Speaker 1: of fitting because the I had a giant, well not
Speaker 1: this giant, but a Teddy Bear on my first album.
Speaker 2: Cover my gosh, I own that album.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you.
Speaker 2: I had the tape, I had the tape, the cassette,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: I love that. How many pencils did We always loved
Speaker 1: that cassettes when they came loose and you had to
Speaker 1: get perform. I forgot there's an Instagram post with that
Speaker 1: where there's like surgeons with a cassette really on the
Speaker 1: operating table with the vessel.
Speaker 2: I think I ever. I think I just moved on
Speaker 2: to a new tape. I don't think I ever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd have my little cassette player and I used to
Speaker 2: listen to your music. For some reason, I used to
Speaker 2: like to go into my bathroom and sit on the
Speaker 2: toilet and.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is information I never knew.
Speaker 2: I know, I did. No, I wasn't even like peeing
Speaker 2: or pooping. I would just sit in there because I
Speaker 2: love to listen to your music and cry because it
Speaker 2: was like it felt like this, like oh, this speaks
Speaker 2: to me, this is my life as a teenager. So
Speaker 2: I would just like sit there and.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, I love that so much. I put on music.
Speaker 1: I have music I put on now that like it
Speaker 1: purposely it's a cry yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or it just makes you feel something. It makes
Speaker 2: you feel like you're like in a movie.
Speaker 1: I do that. I put movie Life on the Beach
Speaker 1: and yes, go into the movie montage, just being in
Speaker 1: your emotions. And I'm so like when I hear that
Speaker 1: my music did that for you or for anybody out there,
Speaker 1: it's still mind blowing to me.
Speaker 2: It's really Surreal's that, like, is this still shocking to think?
Speaker 2: Like you've had such a huge impact on millions and
Speaker 2: gazillions of people's life.
Speaker 1: It's insane to me.
Speaker 2: Like I and you're so normal.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's what I really know.
Speaker 2: You guys like aw yeah.
Speaker 1: And as for you, like I showed up here today
Speaker 1: and we're just like, hey, yeah, yeah, it's that's what
Speaker 1: I really pride myself on, because it's just I don't know,
Speaker 1: you've got to You've got to just be like a
Speaker 1: good grounded person in life first and foremost. I think
Speaker 1: that's the mission. But yeah, like I've been doing these
Speaker 1: Electric f thirty fifth Aniverse three shows, right, and I'm
Speaker 1: always up there, Like literally I could cry because I
Speaker 1: I wrote those songs as really my passion and my
Speaker 1: hobby originally. And then to think, you know, thirty seven
Speaker 1: years into us all knowing this music together, we're in
Speaker 1: this theater at this venue or whatever, and I think,
Speaker 1: just like what you just said, how many collective memories
Speaker 1: are in this room this one song? You know, I
Speaker 1: sing Foolish Beat or I thing lost in your Eyes?
Speaker 1: And I think people tell me you know everything from
Speaker 1: you know, my first kiss, my first slow dance. Oh
Speaker 1: this hearing your voice helped me come out like people
Speaker 1: it's and back then it was just considered this fun
Speaker 1: kind of bubblegummy hooky music, but like the impact of
Speaker 1: whatever that was for people is so it has been profound,
Speaker 1: and so I cant yeah, I kind I can't believe
Speaker 1: this is my life get.
Speaker 2: And it's amazing that it like surpasses generations because now,
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, like my kids, I was playing
Speaker 2: your music, so I was like, this is my friend
Speaker 2: the podcast, and they're like, oh, we know, we know
Speaker 2: her mom, we know music. It's on TikTok because now
Speaker 2: people like I love that the younger generation. I love
Speaker 2: the people now because you know, so everything's in again.
Speaker 2: You love the bear.
Speaker 1: I love the bear. I mean it's a little I'm trying.
Speaker 2: To like get cozy.
Speaker 1: Oh that's better?
Speaker 2: Is that better?
Speaker 1: That's maybe a little better.
Speaker 2: It's weight, it's do you want to sit between his legs?
Speaker 1: Kind of want to? Oh that's comfortable.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so cute.
Speaker 1: That's comfy.
Speaker 2: Hi she was She was singing before we started, and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, this would be so nice.
Speaker 2: I I can maybe go off ambient. If I had
Speaker 2: Debbie Gibson in my bed every night just singing me
Speaker 2: a lullaby, I.
Speaker 1: Made it should be an ANI commercial.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I used to take Ambien, Like, so, I that's truth
Speaker 1: and advertising. My assistant's jotting down.
Speaker 2: Ambient to sell ambient.
Speaker 1: That's a really good Why haven't I done any sleep
Speaker 1: sleeping pill commercials with? Yes? That is?
Speaker 2: Wait, do I get a referral fear or something?
Speaker 1: You get something fat of that? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean I won't take much something sleep.
Speaker 2: Wait did you ever eat on Ambien?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Not that type of Amien taking, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think it just put me right out. Okay, Oh
Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah. I have a good friend that takes
Speaker 1: Ambient and he'll call on Ambien and it's really fun. Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean he just kind of yeah, or he'll be
Speaker 1: like walking around like he used to live in New
Speaker 1: York and be like I just walked around.
Speaker 2: Because it literally takes your memory from you, like you,
Speaker 2: I know, people were like you said this or that,
Speaker 2: and you're like you You're like, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I think I flirted really inappropriately with
Speaker 1: with one of my friends who I should not have
Speaker 1: been doing that with on an ambient call. I'm not
Speaker 1: friends with him anymore, not because of that. It was
Speaker 1: just someone of a certain time. But yeah, I did that,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't. I totally didn't remember what I said.
Speaker 1: I sleep pretty well now now I'm like, if I
Speaker 1: don't sleep all through the night, I think I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be up processing something and I just go with
Speaker 1: it now really, Oh yeah, I don't take anything anymore.
Speaker 2: I just I just make really strange recipes on anbion.
Speaker 2: It's anything that you wouldn't think goes together somehow goes
Speaker 2: perfectly when I'm concocting.
Speaker 1: So funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's I had this thing. I was like,
Speaker 2: I want it because I wouldn't tell my friends. They'd
Speaker 2: be like, oh, here's what I made last night. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, we should put a cookbook together, like
Speaker 2: an ambient cookbook.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Ambien needs to be like sponsoring your
Speaker 1: podcast and my tour now because we've just we've just
Speaker 1: given them so much love and airtime. Oh oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's hysterical. I love that you have Missus Beasley over
Speaker 1: there too.
Speaker 2: I do, and Missus Beasley in the corner and a
Speaker 2: cabbage patch and a cabbage tack.
Speaker 1: I have an original cabbage patch from when my grandma
Speaker 1: braved all the the Grandma's the stampede to get the
Speaker 1: cabbage point right. His name is Homer. He's a bald premie.
Speaker 2: His name's what Homer, Homer, Homer Homer.
Speaker 1: I forgot his middle name and he's a bald premie.
Speaker 1: I wanted a bald PREMI do you.
Speaker 2: Know what mine's name is?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: It's me? Victoria Davey. Oh mom. My mom had a
Speaker 2: store in the eighties and she carried cabbage patch dolls there.
Speaker 2: And Xavier Roberts, who created it, actually signed They're all
Speaker 2: on the tush have a stamp of his name. This
Speaker 2: one's actually signed by him as well.
Speaker 1: I didn't know date the Davy part, how do you
Speaker 1: spell it? D A V. E.
Speaker 2: Y is my middle name and it's after my grandfather
Speaker 2: who passed my name with David. So I've kind of
Speaker 2: gone with that with my kids.
Speaker 1: They have.
Speaker 2: Oh, I like middle names. Are people that have passed
Speaker 2: that we loved.
Speaker 1: I love the male female twist names like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And my my second youngest son, his name is
Speaker 2: Finn Davy. Because we had so many kids, we ran
Speaker 2: out of loved ones that have passed.
Speaker 1: So, oh my god, how you do it? Everybody out
Speaker 1: there parents. Hats off to you. I have two docs
Speaker 1: ands and I need to help take I need people
Speaker 1: helping me take care of my wife. It's I don't
Speaker 1: know how y'all.
Speaker 2: Do it hard. Docksin didn't like me.
Speaker 1: No, he's just you know, it's always the little ones
Speaker 1: that they puff out their chest. And I wish imitate
Speaker 1: you that he would have. He would have been on
Speaker 1: your lap in five minutes. But he just was, I.
Speaker 2: Know, not j his job. Yeah, I'm a people pleaser,
Speaker 2: but I'm also like a huge dog lover, so I
Speaker 2: do get bum when dogs don't like me.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, he would.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't understand. I love you.
Speaker 1: When we have our sleepover party where you're making crazy
Speaker 1: recipes and I'm yeah singing and.
Speaker 2: You're singing to me.
Speaker 1: We well, bring Joe, I'll warm up to you.
Speaker 2: I'm actually watching this in my head right now and
Speaker 2: it's really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Should should we like live stream it just for Shure singing? Totally? Should?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is that another really funny.
Speaker 2: Oh we create good ideas.
Speaker 1: We have to go out on the town. T Are
Speaker 1: you single?
Speaker 2: See you single?
Speaker 1: Me too? Let's do it? Could you imagine us out
Speaker 1: on the don't. I don't really go out a lot though,
Speaker 1: I just I'm such a I don't know. I either
Speaker 1: do plans with really good friends, but I'm super low
Speaker 1: key about the same. Usually if I'm in well out here,
Speaker 1: I do my RV. Like, so I live technically I
Speaker 1: live in Vegas, that's where my home is. But I
Speaker 1: live in my RV and I'm out here.
Speaker 2: So how often are you in LA I'm.
Speaker 1: In a lot. I mean, like, if I'm not touring,
Speaker 1: which is a lot, like I have twenty six or
Speaker 1: so shows coming up for the rest of the year,
Speaker 1: which is nuts, then I'm between Vegas and here. But
Speaker 1: then it like kind of started to become more here
Speaker 1: than there, because who doesn't want to wake up looking
Speaker 1: at I mean, I was never a beach baby. And
Speaker 1: my late mom, she was originally from Florida, she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, the beach, the beach, the beach. She grew
Speaker 1: up in Florida, spent her childhood years there, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I'll get it. I just don't get it.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I was in New York, you know, give
Speaker 1: me the city. And then I discovered it my way,
Speaker 1: which is this way with the r V. And it's
Speaker 1: still very kind of bohemian and I love it so much.
Speaker 2: I always wanted to live there and then I had.
Speaker 1: Really it's really fun.
Speaker 2: I'd have to have a million RVs.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I do you need like a tour
Speaker 1: bus which and they come there too, they they pull
Speaker 1: in there. It's really really cool. I just love the
Speaker 1: I love the freedom in it. But yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: out here quite a bit now, so I'm there part
Speaker 1: of the year.
Speaker 2: Okay, I love it. So why originally.
Speaker 1: Vegas my ex my now ex, Well, yeah, so I
Speaker 1: was living I was living here, I was living in
Speaker 1: la and then I moved in with him and then
Speaker 1: we were back and forth to Vegas a lot. It's
Speaker 1: you know, the suburbs of Vegas are kind of like
Speaker 1: living in any nice mountain town. Like I like it
Speaker 1: better than most suburbs in the world because it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel that so again, it feels mountainy, like you wake
Speaker 1: up every day and you see them. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not far from Red Rocks, and like, I've learned to
Speaker 1: love the West Coast and nature and sunshine. And then
Speaker 1: you've got the Strip twenty to thirty minutes away. If
Speaker 1: you want it, right, And every now and again, like
Speaker 1: the weird thing is, I'll wake up and I'll be like,
Speaker 1: like if it's super hot, like it's summertime, I'll be like,
Speaker 1: I feel like walking. You just you can go to
Speaker 1: a casino, you can go to Caesars and just like
Speaker 1: walk around and kind of lose yourself. Like it's weird
Speaker 1: to have a place like that to go twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: So every now and again I use Vegas for weird
Speaker 1: stuff like that, Right, but you can always get a
Speaker 1: nice meal or go to a nice show, or you
Speaker 1: don't have to go anywhere near the stream.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 1: So it's really cool. I mean too, they have best rest,
Speaker 1: great food, and you're just a hop, skip and a
Speaker 1: jump from here anyway.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it's like me living in the valley.
Speaker 2: I'm hop skipping a jump to the West side. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I never go. But we're gonna go.
Speaker 1: We're we're gonna go do something.
Speaker 2: Are we going out in La or Vegas?
Speaker 1: Two blondes on the town. We're bringing this teddy Bear,
Speaker 1: No kidding, We're gonna go. Well, every want we can
Speaker 1: go both, we can do both. Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 2: So I mean you're so busy, do you feel like
Speaker 2: you even have time to date?
Speaker 1: You know, it's a good question. I'm not really a
Speaker 1: dater anyway. I'm more of like a meet someone, connect
Speaker 1: with someone, connect you know. I'm just like it's on.
Speaker 2: So I've never been a dater either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, it's I kind of know when I
Speaker 1: meet someone if it's you know, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: so picky with my time and energy, which sounds as
Speaker 1: you should be just am, I'm I'm.
Speaker 2: Your Debbie Gibson.
Speaker 1: Of course, thank you. Now, I feel like you know
Speaker 1: my life. My life is so idealic, like I've set
Speaker 1: up my life so that it's designed exactly how I
Speaker 1: like it. So if something falls short of that in
Speaker 1: any area, I don't want to bother like dating or whatever.
Speaker 1: And so, but I'm at the point where I have
Speaker 1: found like I feel like it's the person that comes
Speaker 1: along and suddenly are creating this space for them, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I want to I want to keep talking
Speaker 2: about dating, but I want to go back to you've
Speaker 2: designed your life, you share somebody, I could do that
Speaker 2: with my life, how do you?
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's easier because it's easier because I
Speaker 1: don't have kids, so for sure that makes it easier.
Speaker 1: But I will say this, like for me and my career,
Speaker 1: which I feel like you're doing by having a podcast,
Speaker 1: it feels like you're doing just a lesson behold and
Speaker 1: you could be to people and to any big machines.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, the better your life becomes. And the
Speaker 1: thing about it is like, so my badass manager, Heather
Speaker 1: who I who was like my mom's protege for eight
Speaker 1: nine years in the nineties early two thousands, took over
Speaker 1: for my mom to go over the management and we
Speaker 1: really have been We have hand picked who's on our
Speaker 1: team and everything I do. Like, if I ever vent
Speaker 1: about the schedule being crazy, it's mine. I created the schedule,
Speaker 1: so you know, I really look at things. I look
Speaker 1: at like on tour, I'm not a how many shows
Speaker 1: can I do in a row? I'm a realist. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm singing top of my range, like I have to
Speaker 1: have these kinds of day these days off. I also
Speaker 1: now that I have the RV that's like my mini
Speaker 1: tour bus, and I want to see things I don't
Speaker 1: want to just I love doing shows, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to live just for the shows anymore. I really
Speaker 1: look at my life with like how can I balance it?
Speaker 1: And how can I leave time for unexpected things to happen?
Speaker 1: And how can I really rest? You know, people say
Speaker 1: I'll sleep when i'm I'm like, yeah, but I want
Speaker 1: to be rested while I'm here to enjoy things. And
Speaker 1: I need to sleep a lot. So I built in
Speaker 1: nap time and sleep time.
Speaker 2: And this blows me away. Wait have you always been
Speaker 2: this way?
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I was with Atlantic Records. I'm working
Speaker 1: on my book and I talk a lot about this
Speaker 1: in the book. So I was with Atlantic Records. You
Speaker 1: know those I get the first year. I love that. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can do that. Listen to the audiobook. I will
Speaker 1: do an audiobook.
Speaker 2: Well can you read it to me? Like just a
Speaker 2: couple of times here with all were.
Speaker 1: Perfect? Oh my god. So you know, I started on
Speaker 1: a major label and all that, and and eventually it's
Speaker 1: like the fun and confusing part about being me, or
Speaker 1: maybe to the outside world, is like I'm a mainstream
Speaker 1: artist and how I write songs and how I like
Speaker 1: to put on a show and all that, but I
Speaker 1: have an indie spirit. So it's like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: doing things the hard way, but in a way where
Speaker 1: like when people come to a show of mine, they're
Speaker 1: stepping into my world. Like it's a world that's so
Speaker 1: specific to me. It's not like one of the big promoters,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of had anything to say, or I
Speaker 1: look at every website of every venue and go is
Speaker 1: this the right venue for this particular show, and like
Speaker 1: everything's just you know, I think, like I told you
Speaker 1: about my Diamond debheads, my core fan group. They're my community.
Speaker 1: They are like my family. They're with me because of that,
Speaker 1: like we have this unique experience that we're all in together.
Speaker 1: I feel like New Kids does it too, and they've
Speaker 1: done it now on this huge scale with like my
Speaker 1: summer tour, a mixtape tour which I was part of.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: Like they would never find a label that would understand
Speaker 1: their fandom and what they have developed. It's like we've
Speaker 1: all built our thing over many, many years and over
Speaker 1: because we're being authentic and I think our audiences know that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So there came a point in my career
Speaker 1: where I literally walked away from ten million dollars in
Speaker 1: advance of money and said I can't sleep at night
Speaker 1: doing it your way, my way, but my way, but
Speaker 1: your way. But like it's you start feeling like you're
Speaker 1: selling your soul and the audience starts going, I thought,
Speaker 1: I know who you were, But now I'm a little confused,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, me too, because I'm it's that
Speaker 1: art and commerce balance, you know. So for me, it's
Speaker 1: that getting the RV was this hugely freeing thing. For me,
Speaker 1: it was like, let me explore my adventure, like that's
Speaker 1: my form of adventure.
Speaker 2: And I didn't really understand. Sorry, you literally travel in
Speaker 2: the RV from Vegas here.
Speaker 1: Yes, but I try. I've put thirty thousand miles on
Speaker 1: it around the country with a driver. But then I
Speaker 1: get behind that when I'm not napping on it between shows,
Speaker 1: I'll get behind the wheel. Like last tour, I learned
Speaker 1: how to downshift in this the same way Washington and Oregon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's become this little it's I feel like I
Speaker 1: don't even know how how I would have been touring
Speaker 1: the last couple of years without it, because tour buses,
Speaker 1: the rental and the union drivers and the like, it's
Speaker 1: a whole thing. So I've just figured out how do
Speaker 1: you look.
Speaker 2: To pay for that?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, what like, we'll put it this way. So
Speaker 1: when I did the mixtape tour with New Kids, like,
Speaker 1: they pay me a lovely sum of money, but a
Speaker 1: lot of it is going to the tour bus and
Speaker 1: the driver, and the driver has to be in a
Speaker 1: union and you can only drive certain hours and you
Speaker 1: can I didn't. Girl. I parked this in a Walmart
Speaker 1: parking lot. Me and my driver go, do you want
Speaker 1: to sleep a few hours? You will sleep a few hours.
Speaker 1: You get up and I jokingly say, you buy a
Speaker 1: They make the best French cruller anywhere in Walmart. You
Speaker 1: wake up and you're having your French Crawler and you're
Speaker 1: buying like ten dollars pajamas you didn't know you needed. Yes, French,
Speaker 1: is that which one is? It's like the no, it's
Speaker 1: like the fluffy like Duncan makes it now in only
Speaker 1: parts of the country. I know way too much about
Speaker 1: the French croller. Maybe there's a recipe when we can
Speaker 1: make our own wit something. They're kind of like just
Speaker 1: fluffy or yes, they're kind of they're round, but they're
Speaker 1: a little twisty, like yeah, they're they have like like
Speaker 1: lind ridges in them, but they're like lighter than a
Speaker 1: regular donut. They just are different. I don't know, a croller,
Speaker 1: a French croler. It's like see ru e ll e r.
Speaker 1: I think we have a picture. But yeah, so like
Speaker 1: there's just a there's like a free flow in my
Speaker 1: life right now. Anything that I don't oh, okay, anything
Speaker 1: that I don't have to put on a schedule, I
Speaker 1: don't want to, Like if I can play things to
Speaker 1: the last minute and I'm gonna drive here or just
Speaker 1: let like I just live my life in a way
Speaker 1: that agrees with me, and I just I just design
Speaker 1: it as best as I can. And yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I look at I look at some artists
Speaker 1: you know, on Instagram and whatever, and I think, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Like I love Kylie Minogue and I think
Speaker 1: she's like having the best career moment of her life.
Speaker 1: And I also say, okay, the type a career woman
Speaker 1: and me like wants to have that year. And then
Speaker 1: I go that also suddenly looks exhausting to me. And
Speaker 1: people think I'm working all the time, and they think,
Speaker 1: oh my god, You're on the road all the time
Speaker 1: and coming up it gets a little more intense. It's
Speaker 1: still not as intense as most. I just make it
Speaker 1: so that it's so like I love to think every
Speaker 1: time I go out, I'm elevating. I'm elevating and I'm
Speaker 1: creating moments and I'm doing things very specifically, and so
Speaker 1: it feels bigger, faster, better, But it's actually not. It's
Speaker 1: actually like I'm conserving my energy and then I'm like
Speaker 1: high output. But it's in a very intentional way, and
Speaker 1: it's it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of just more peaceful and more comfortable in
Speaker 1: my skin and happier with my art and all of
Speaker 1: it than I've ever been. It's all very connected.
Speaker 2: When you were young, was it just like you just
Speaker 2: want My stomach is going not saying oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: know that's okay. It wants a croller right there you go, yes,
Speaker 2: but I kind of want it savory, like can they
Speaker 2: make that and drizzle like savory over it?
Speaker 1: I have to shift like the sweet and savory this.
Speaker 2: Take your boots off, get cozy, we're keeping all. I
Speaker 2: have a heated weight at blanket. Would you like one? Okay? Good?
Speaker 2: I want to get up.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I totally forgot I have the tension span of a gnat, Like, uh.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I don't know, it's really good.
Speaker 2: We don't fall off to bed.
Speaker 1: His moment, I was.
Speaker 2: Saying, when you were younger, Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, was it like was it crazy? Was it?
Speaker 2: Is it just like go o go and in your
Speaker 2: mind at the time, where you like, I have to
Speaker 2: keep going because.
Speaker 1: Yes, everything's momentum based, and I'm sure it was for you.
Speaker 2: Right, Look in the video you look very tall, and
Speaker 2: I look like this little person here very.
Speaker 1: It's very Alice in Wonderland. So yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think about like the tour bus days when I was younger,
Speaker 1: and I didn't take anything in. It was just the
Speaker 1: country was going by outside the window, and I didn't.
Speaker 1: I was so fixated on being perfect on stage and
Speaker 1: the schedule, and I was anxious all the time. And
Speaker 1: I'm still a little anxious, but like some an adrenaline girl.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I just didn't. I didn't realize all
Speaker 1: the things that life had to offer, you know, and now.
Speaker 2: Could you You were young, you were going going going like.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like a practice too, like like
Speaker 1: I do meet in greets, right, and I'll meet one
Speaker 1: hundred people before my show or after my show. It
Speaker 1: before and it's weirdly more energy. Yet it's more energy
Speaker 1: than the sh I swear it is because every my
Speaker 1: mom used to do this unbelievable impersonation of me at
Speaker 1: meet and greets. And you've done a million autograph signings
Speaker 1: and things where you know, you reset for every person.
Speaker 1: You're like hi, and you and You're aware, I'm aware
Speaker 1: this is this person's minute, you know, And I want
Speaker 1: to make sure I'm like so engaged and so present.
Speaker 1: I want to I want because they want to meet me,
Speaker 1: but they want me to meet them. They want to
Speaker 1: know Share said it like she said, they want they
Speaker 1: want to know I met that. They want this is
Speaker 1: somebody's moment to tell me their story and I want
Speaker 1: to hear it, and so like, it's that that requires
Speaker 1: like I don't know how teachers do what they do
Speaker 1: because I like taught summer camps and programs and things.
Speaker 1: It's like but it's that level of engagement. But it's
Speaker 1: like you as a mom, right, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not that engaged anymore. Wait, I feel like I gave
Speaker 2: my best spears since oh my.
Speaker 1: God, But you know that present, like you're so in
Speaker 1: it you don't even know how tired you are till
Speaker 1: you're done. You're tired. I mean, so where's the show.
Speaker 1: I'm a little more in control of that output, and
Speaker 1: it's just different, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, meeting your fans. It's people can't quite
Speaker 2: understand it because I know, like i'd been doing conventions now,
Speaker 2: which I hadn't done a lot in the last few years.
Speaker 2: We've been doing them, and they'll always be like, your
Speaker 2: people are waiting too long. You got to go faster,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I can't. I can't go faster.
Speaker 1: Because they tried to curfews at venues in a I know,
Speaker 1: I want them.
Speaker 2: Each to have that time. How can you say no,
Speaker 2: like you know, you signed something and.
Speaker 1: Go I know, and for you, like you think about
Speaker 1: people were in You were in people's living rooms in
Speaker 1: their most formative years, and I mean, it's so special
Speaker 1: that they get to meet you.
Speaker 2: I'm the though I still don't see it, like how
Speaker 2: you know, influential we were as a TV show on
Speaker 2: people's childhoods and lives and yeah, I can't see it either,
Speaker 2: Like I understand it, right, but like you're talking about
Speaker 2: it I'm like, well, yeah, like I can see like
Speaker 2: for you as an outsider, I'm like, yes, it's huge
Speaker 2: for people, but it's so hard to see it when
Speaker 2: it's yourself, right right, It's just well, i'm here to
Speaker 2: tell you, and I'm here to tell you made a.
Speaker 1: Huge impact on people, and you were yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that show is just that show is really special.
Speaker 2: Same sister, same. But see, what's great is a musician
Speaker 2: you can keep going as an artist like.
Speaker 1: And yes, it's a real like you know, people use
Speaker 1: the word reinvent. I don't know if it's reinvent, but
Speaker 1: it is, like you listen, it's again it's hard. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. It's like my manager and I always
Speaker 1: are like kind of.
Speaker 2: Like are we there yet?
Speaker 1: Just when I think like, oh, maybe I'll get a
Speaker 1: little easier, like we'll go to that next echelon. And
Speaker 1: then by the way, I said the what I said
Speaker 1: earlier about big machines, but when you establish the thing
Speaker 1: the way you want to, like, I did an album
Speaker 1: called The Body Remembers, and I did a couple of
Speaker 1: tours and now I'd want to partner. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like being a romantic, right when you know who you are.
Speaker 1: You're like, well, now I'd welcome the right partner because
Speaker 1: we've already created the thing with the way we want
Speaker 1: and you can't mess with that. But but if someone's
Speaker 1: going to come along understand my creative vision and help
Speaker 1: elevate it, I'm ready for that, you know, right, But like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's hard, and we're doing it the hard way. It's
Speaker 1: like every venue and every like I have a small
Speaker 1: team and everyone's doing like customer service all the time,
Speaker 1: like with the venues and the fans and that, like
Speaker 1: we just really it's it's really personal. You get what
Speaker 1: you want, but it really is satisfying yourself and you do.
Speaker 2: Like I heard Taylor.
Speaker 1: Swift talking about this recently too, It's like it's the
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of the stuff people don't see you
Speaker 1: do that allows for that five percent magical time I
Speaker 1: get to spend on stage, which is like the big
Speaker 1: payoff for me. But the ninety five percent of like
Speaker 1: the fourteen business hats you're wearing is the tiring part.
Speaker 1: That's the hard part. And then you're and then I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, shoot, I haven't worked on my
Speaker 1: voice or the actual songs I'm doing the show are
Speaker 1: because I'm busy putting it all, putting it all together.
Speaker 1: So I'd like that to get a little easier. It's
Speaker 1: a boy to be honest. But we're still making it
Speaker 1: work and bringing a lot of joy to people. And
Speaker 1: I'm rebuilding my touring career because I went into I
Speaker 1: did a lot of theater, I did a lot of Broadway,
Speaker 1: and so to come back and go, oh right, this
Speaker 1: is really you know, this is what I started off doing,
Speaker 1: and it's a rebuild, and there's people who are stuck
Speaker 1: with me for many, many years. People were circling back
Speaker 1: after three decades of losing track of me, and it's
Speaker 1: really fun, it's really meaningful. It's really been a blast.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Did you ever get nervous performing?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, Like I said, I'm like, I'm an anxious person.
Speaker 1: Like the most nerve wracking thing I'm about to do
Speaker 1: as this acoustic tour because when I do, I'm an
Speaker 1: adrenaline girl. And so usually i'd come out and I
Speaker 1: do three big energy you know, high energy numbers. I'm
Speaker 1: dancing whatever, and then I ease my way into the ballads.
Speaker 1: This is me coming out a piano I might bring
Speaker 1: one musician with me. I haven't decided, but it's like
Speaker 1: it's on me, and it's I have to be grounded
Speaker 1: and in this certain place. I've done things like this before,
Speaker 1: but not in a long time, so I know I'm
Speaker 1: going to be like I have to figure out the
Speaker 1: new way of preparing for this particular show to kind
Speaker 1: of be set in a in a kind of zending
Speaker 1: place before I go out. So yeah, that's I do
Speaker 1: I get as a kid where you like, like, what
Speaker 1: was your first big performance?
Speaker 2: Like how many? Like massive?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it was kind of a build
Speaker 1: because I would perform in clubs for you know, two
Speaker 1: hundred people at a time or whatever, two hundred of
Speaker 1: drunken people at a time trying to pick someone up,
Speaker 1: going like who's this little white chick trying to sing
Speaker 1: some song about dream shot? And uh, I just always
Speaker 1: just had that like ambition. I just always wanted to
Speaker 1: get like shut up and listen to the music people
Speaker 1: and uh. But the biggest I mean I just remember
Speaker 1: some of like the radio shows I started performing at,
Speaker 1: like I remember was so random. I remember doing one
Speaker 1: in Tampa at the Zoo with the Monkeys. It was
Speaker 1: like one of those big crowds as far as the
Speaker 1: I can see. But it kind of built to where
Speaker 1: I was doing like clubs and then colleges and then
Speaker 1: like you know the tour where I did Radio City
Speaker 1: and I did the Greek and then it went into
Speaker 1: the arenas and it was like relatively fast. But also
Speaker 1: it was so I did clubs for like nine months.
Speaker 1: I did like three shows a night, four nights a week,
Speaker 1: and so nine months into my career, I was like
Speaker 1: exhausted and people were just hearing about me, right, So
Speaker 1: it's interesting because things were a little different from my perspective.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but then I did like the Rock and
Speaker 1: Rio festival, you know, like seventy five thousand people and
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people. But it's weird. The bigger, the
Speaker 1: bigger the crowd, the easier it was, really, yeah, because
Speaker 1: it's just built on many people.
Speaker 2: What do you see, Like, what is it from your perspective?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just kind of this wall of energy
Speaker 1: and adrenaline excitement, So like that makes it, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: makes it makes it easier. Again, it's when you have
Speaker 1: to me, when you have to hold a smaller, more
Speaker 1: discerning room That's why doing Broadway like doing a miz
Speaker 1: you know, you get out there to sing on my own,
Speaker 1: pretending he's this side. You know, the pie notes coming.
Speaker 1: Everyone's seated, they're in toxes, They've paid a lot of money,
Speaker 1: they know what they're like, They're expecting something specific, and
Speaker 1: like that's where nerve. I mean, I was always nervous
Speaker 1: before Broadway performances, and I had a very regimented life
Speaker 1: and routine. And you know if people say, like, are
Speaker 1: you coming back to Broadway, and I'm like, again, like
Speaker 1: the things you have to sacrifice to do eight shows
Speaker 1: a week, it's kind of sing like you live like
Speaker 1: a monk, Like you can't. It's your living for that,
Speaker 1: you know, that pristine kind of thing that both like,
Speaker 1: it's a lot, it's intense, and I did a lot
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: So I'm again anxiety.
Speaker 1: You talk about it, Yeah, Wow, it's like doing the anthem.
Speaker 1: I did the anthem at the World Series when Kirk
Speaker 1: Gibson hit the winning run eighty eight I think it
Speaker 1: was eighty eight. It was the most petrifying minute and
Speaker 1: twenty seconds of my entire life, and uh yeah, and
Speaker 1: usually what would happen with me is I'd get myself
Speaker 1: to the place to do the thing, and then afterwards
Speaker 1: I'd fall apart. Really oh yeah, I'd be like come
Speaker 1: out of here, geme me out here. I need a
Speaker 1: brown paper breathing in a brown paper bag, xanax all
Speaker 1: of it. Because I was. I was really anxious all
Speaker 1: the time, and I was fatigued. Yes, I do not often,
Speaker 1: but when I.
Speaker 2: Do, whoo And did they come on from? Like stress? Anxiety?
Speaker 1: Like work thousand percent? Like stress?
Speaker 2: I have that moment down You're just like.
Speaker 1: Yes and g I like if I'm not eating great
Speaker 1: and I'm stressed and yeah, yeah, Like I went recently
Speaker 1: went to see Neo's concert in at the Wind in Vegas.
Speaker 1: I had a migraine the next day. And I think
Speaker 1: it's because I ate Asian food, which I don't usually eat.
Speaker 1: I'm in that recycled air and all the smoke and
Speaker 1: the chemicals and you know, people are smoking pot everywhere
Speaker 1: in rooms and like it's chemistry for me. That gets
Speaker 1: me too.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you were going to be fifty four.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: She has like barely any makeup on her skin is perfect.
Speaker 1: This is oh my god, No, I have line I
Speaker 1: have lines. Listen. Last year I had a little disport,
Speaker 1: and I'm always like I would say to my dancers
Speaker 1: Buddy and Eddie, who are too, They're my choreographers, choreographers
Speaker 1: and my besties. I'm always like I miss my old forehead.
Speaker 1: But again, like me and chemistry, like weird things happen,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like entertaining it again because when you're
Speaker 1: touring and people are just pictures and videos and everything's
Speaker 1: so close up, and I know I look at myself
Speaker 1: and off.
Speaker 2: But I'm here to say I'm sitting literally right in
Speaker 2: front of her and she looks gay, thank you. But
Speaker 2: I know that perfect forehead that when I watch TV
Speaker 2: shows there's actresses our age and I'm like, wait, how
Speaker 2: did they have the perfect forehead? Like what I know,
Speaker 2: where did they go? What did they use?
Speaker 1: And when they use too much and nothing moves, I'm
Speaker 1: really not happy. You're just like I'm expressing internally, but
Speaker 1: I might want a little light light something again, just
Speaker 1: because I start looking like you can't see this is
Speaker 1: not close up, but between like I do the nose
Speaker 1: scrunch and then like I have the.
Speaker 2: Call that the rabbit is it? The rabbit ears oh, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, and then I have deviated septums, so I
Speaker 1: just start looking like a crazy person right here right there.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, But I still look like me. And
Speaker 1: that's why I like, I just want to always walk
Speaker 1: that line, because I do think people want to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah you people say I've had like gazillion plastic surgeries
Speaker 2: face and I'm like, it's so weird to me because
Speaker 2: I have and I've had my nose done and yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I've had but.
Speaker 1: You had a time like when you're kicking right, I
Speaker 1: was like to me, Yeah, it's totally crooked.
Speaker 2: I'm like scared to do it again because I'm like,
Speaker 2: what if it doesn't look like me?
Speaker 1: No, you look great? You look great? Do you have
Speaker 1: hardly any makeup on today? Too?
Speaker 2: And yoursense great.
Speaker 1: I feel like this generation I say this like to
Speaker 1: my audience all the time. I feel like we're like
Speaker 1: just it's We're a super vital generation that does not
Speaker 1: want to be put out to pasture. I'm just so
Speaker 1: tired of like I remember growing up with the like
Speaker 1: after forty you can't wear this, and you know, like right,
Speaker 1: I might, you know, as a choice sometime wear Chanel
Speaker 1: suit or something, but not likely, Like I'm usually not
Speaker 1: happy in a blazer. I'm not happy in a I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm just I have a youthful now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had for.
Speaker 1: Rock and roll kind of and you should always keep that.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, because I'm not doing it for someone else.
Speaker 2: I like how I look and I feel good. And
Speaker 2: when I want to wear something different, I'll wear something different.
Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna dress because I'm told i should
Speaker 2: dress a certain way.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely not.
Speaker 2: And she looks so hot, you guys, like, thank you.
Speaker 2: We were outside in front of my house and I
Speaker 2: was sitting on the ground and you were squatting, literally squatting,
Speaker 2: and she held that post while we talked for how long?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was so jealous.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Ah, your body is insane.
Speaker 1: Ah, thank you. I don't know, I just I've become
Speaker 1: more relaxed about my body though, Like right now, I
Speaker 1: have like I have like the fun I wear what
Speaker 1: you know, flatters it, but I have like the five
Speaker 1: to seven whatever. But I'm like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: enjoying eating bread and not caring and like there's just
Speaker 1: a balance. I always say there's just a balance and
Speaker 1: it's and it's decisions. It's like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: might not be able to fit in that pair of
Speaker 1: jeans right now, but I enjoy the freedom of eating
Speaker 1: the way I want, you know, within whatever the parameters
Speaker 1: I set for myself are and all the things. And
Speaker 1: but that freedom shows up in your being, doesn't it?
Speaker 1: Like it again, if your life is agreeing with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not like rigid.
Speaker 2: Do you work out a lot?
Speaker 1: I don't, That's the thing. So I was the over
Speaker 1: worker out were you like the tybo and the yoga
Speaker 1: and the cardio on that because I used to do
Speaker 1: all the like over like tibo.
Speaker 2: I with all my friends and I was always the
Speaker 2: first one to leave or go hide in the corner.
Speaker 1: But you know when we used to do the like over,
Speaker 1: you know, join the Rebok Sports club and do the Yeah.
Speaker 1: And what I learned about that was like my back
Speaker 1: started going out because my adrenals were crashing, like you
Speaker 1: can't when you end for women of a certain age,
Speaker 1: if your cortisol is getting if you're like so, if
Speaker 1: you're over working out, like I find, it's like so
Speaker 1: much of it is eating for me to keep myself
Speaker 1: looking how I want. But it's you know, I just
Speaker 1: eat things in moderation, but also flowy things like I
Speaker 1: do like a nice walk jog walk, jog on the beach,
Speaker 1: you know. I jump on the peloton a little. I
Speaker 1: dance in my I just try to stay in motion.
Speaker 1: But when I get like on stage, I output to
Speaker 1: the point where, like I mean, my lungs are like
Speaker 1: are you freaking kidding me? But if I even with that,
Speaker 1: I swear to you, a day or two later, I
Speaker 1: look like I have more weight on me because the
Speaker 1: cortisol levels are doing that, and so it's not about
Speaker 1: intensely working out for me anymore. But I have like muscle,
Speaker 1: like I have biceps from the twenty thirty years I
Speaker 1: did biceps and now it's just muscle memory.
Speaker 2: You have no skin under your arm too.
Speaker 1: I have a little bit a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: My mom used to They would her and her friends
Speaker 2: would joke when I was young, like oh the wave
Speaker 2: goodbye on ye, Like Mom, that's so embarrassing. I don't
Speaker 2: even know what she's saw. And I'm like, holy only.
Speaker 1: That's that again. That's that margin where like for me,
Speaker 1: I have to be underweight for that to go away.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, but no, I'm not doing like
Speaker 1: triceps these days and all that, but I and I
Speaker 1: should do a little probably, But I'm telling you my
Speaker 1: energy is always like I have an on season and
Speaker 1: an off season, and my body doesn't want me to
Speaker 1: work too hard physically in the off season. I have
Speaker 1: to kind of save it up a little bit and
Speaker 1: just do everything kind of light.
Speaker 2: I love that you know yourself so well.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing too, So you know what I
Speaker 1: feel like everybody like that's the thing. Because I've had
Speaker 1: friends go like, you need to drink lemon water. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you need to drink lemon water, because what happens when
Speaker 1: I drink it just goes right, Like my stomach acts
Speaker 1: like I have an ulcer all the time, Like I
Speaker 1: have to be at bland. And so there's no one
Speaker 1: size fits all any thing.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 1: You have to know yourself, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also just what you want in life.
Speaker 1: One thousand percent one thousand percent.
Speaker 2: Like I just turned fifty one and I'm still like, wait,
Speaker 2: what is it I want in life?
Speaker 1: Like and what is it you want next? Like do
Speaker 1: you have a thing that and how old is your
Speaker 1: youngest child, Devin, Wow, so you have a little while
Speaker 1: do you have ten years?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Of yeah, super hands on. But see sixty one these
Speaker 1: days is young, so you're gonna have this whole other chapter.
Speaker 1: Tell me sixty one when you're sixty one, So you're
Speaker 1: fifty one now, two years right when you're youngest to seventeen.
Speaker 1: That's still like a whole fresh I look at my my,
Speaker 1: you know, pop singer peers like Belinda Carlisle, like she's like,
Speaker 1: what sixty four sixty five, like these women who are
Speaker 1: just rocking it in their shah yah. Right, So you're
Speaker 1: gonna have this whole it's different now, yeah, but it
Speaker 1: sounds like also you have right because your your single
Speaker 1: now again. But yeah, what I don't know, Like for
Speaker 1: me the r V, I didn't know I wanted that adventure,
Speaker 1: but I started seeing them on the road and I
Speaker 1: got this little thing in my head about it, and
Speaker 1: then I just once I get the thing in my head,
Speaker 1: I have to do it really yeah, but it ends
Speaker 1: up happening. Do you have any of those types of Oh.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean there's so much I want to do.
Speaker 2: I mean it's more like I'm very work driven so
Speaker 2: it is hard for me to find that balance between
Speaker 2: children and work and then finding a little bit of
Speaker 2: myself somewhere there. And I think having gone through my
Speaker 2: X and I sweating up and really doing that, I'm
Speaker 2: able to see a little bit more of myself there
Speaker 2: because I'm finally like, okay, I have to put myself
Speaker 2: out free, you know, free, whoa I'm like just coming out.
Speaker 1: That's okay, don't at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I guess that's what my body wanted to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, a thousand per se. But really I
Speaker 1: would imagine like every partnership, like I wasn't a ten
Speaker 1: year thing, and he and I are still friends, but yeah,
Speaker 1: do you live your life differently? You know? And again
Speaker 1: I speaking from somebody who's been solo for most of
Speaker 1: my life really and especially the last five years. It's fun,
Speaker 1: it's nice. And again, I know you have the kids
Speaker 1: in their schedule and everything.
Speaker 2: So it's the oldest one writing ten years. So let's
Speaker 2: say he's seventeen. Let's say when he's eighteen, I'm sixty two.
Speaker 2: I could then maybe meet somebody and have like a
Speaker 2: whole life because the kids will be out there else,
Speaker 2: they'll be on their own doing their own thing, although
Speaker 2: I don't really want them to leave. I don't want
Speaker 2: to go really.
Speaker 1: And in the meantime you can meet people now too,
Speaker 1: but again you can also just do things for you.
Speaker 2: I'm not very good at being alone.
Speaker 1: You think, just because you're used to it, or well,
Speaker 1: I say.
Speaker 2: That, but I don't really know. I've never been alone.
Speaker 2: Maybe I would be great at.
Speaker 1: It, And I'm like the weirdly the opposite. So I
Speaker 1: keep saying, Oh, I think I really want a partner now,
Speaker 1: and then when it's eight PM and I'm watching a
Speaker 1: movie with my two dogs ands, I'm like, I'm so
Speaker 1: glad nobody's here right now. Now. A lot of that,
Speaker 1: weirdly is because I use my voice a lot for
Speaker 1: singing and sometimes I don't want to talk.
Speaker 2: I love that a lot.
Speaker 1: Excessively, and so like the fantasy is that I have
Speaker 1: this partner who totally understands that, like like I would
Speaker 1: like I do want I do want to have someone
Speaker 1: where I could just be like, be quiet, just be
Speaker 1: in somebody's presence and be comfortable, relaxed, and that does
Speaker 1: appeal to me. Now, Like I put that to the universe,
Speaker 1: that i'd want that now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's not after eight pm, like they just
Speaker 2: hang with you and then they leave it.
Speaker 1: Eight the right, it's just quiet time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's never quite in my house. Like you just
Speaker 2: reference that like being in bed with your dogs and
Speaker 2: it's eight o'clock and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1: I know, because I hear from my sisters with kids.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I know. It's a very I live
Speaker 1: a very different life, but I also sometimes have the
Speaker 1: opposite feeling where I'm like, oh, it would be fun
Speaker 1: to have a little crew around right now. It's built
Speaker 1: in energy, right, and it's built in focus because sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm also so alone with my thoughts and my emotions.
Speaker 1: It's like stupid because it's like nobody should be this,
Speaker 1: it should have this much time alone with their Especially
Speaker 1: in that RV. I'm always like it's just a recipe
Speaker 1: for being in your feelings. It's like four walls twenty
Speaker 1: five feet and you're just like there's nothing to do
Speaker 1: but cry. Like that's what happens sometimes to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you watch movies, Well, what do you mean you can?
Speaker 1: I mean I do, but yeah, it is a lot
Speaker 1: of like introspection to a degree, there's like probably a
Speaker 1: balance between your scenario and my scenario.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, imagine if we like trade it lives
Speaker 2: for a week.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it's another idea Hallmark movie.
Speaker 2: We're trading one Hallmark.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm way Tootflix. I know I've done some Hallmark
Speaker 1: and yeah, I think I'm on the edge for Hallmark
Speaker 1: these days too, weirdly, like I'm not the edgiest person,
Speaker 1: but for Hallmarks sometimes, yeah, I think maybe. But okay,
Speaker 1: so we'll bring it to Netflix and trade lives. We're
Speaker 1: switching lives. You're going on the road to Yeah, harvy girl.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know if I could tour.
Speaker 1: I grew in your concert, and I would not send
Speaker 1: your kids out to school looking like they're supposed to do,
Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't dress a kid for school
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Oh my god, it's so bad.
Speaker 2: I've gotten so lazy with my youngest one because there's
Speaker 2: so many at night. I put him in his clothes
Speaker 2: for the day next day and convinced.
Speaker 1: It's cool to do that. My god, that is so funny.
Speaker 2: Yes, dinner, he takes his back, oh my god. Sometimes,
Speaker 2: and I'm just kidding. He always takes his bad it's hysterical.
Speaker 2: I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But then I'll be like he dude,
Speaker 2: Like I rationalize with him, and he's good at that.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, it'll save like an extra
Speaker 2: five minutes if we get dressed now, and then you
Speaker 2: sleep later and I can sleep later. Wink wink. And yeah,
Speaker 2: he's so he sleeps in his clothes. That is really funny.
Speaker 2: My bad, mom, No.
Speaker 1: I think listen. I think if you're getting through it,
Speaker 1: you're good every day school, very few days, so we'll
Speaker 1: see how it goes. But so far, so good. Any
Speaker 1: plans for your birthday? You know, I did this really
Speaker 1: awesome friends dinner last year with like thirty people at
Speaker 1: this great French restaurant Juliette, And then this year, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I might be here. It might be Vegas. I might
Speaker 1: be literally behind the wheel of my RV the day
Speaker 1: of my birthday, which could be kind of weirdly fun.
Speaker 1: Might be hold up with my dogs watching a movie.
Speaker 1: Might be at dinner with some friends. Like I would
Speaker 1: like whatever falls in my lap this year and feels convenient,
Speaker 1: and like I'm just going to be totally in the
Speaker 1: moment about it. I have no desire for planning in
Speaker 1: advance at all this year.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: No, my fiftieth was, by the way, My fiftieth was
Speaker 1: during COVID and I had a Zoom party and do
Speaker 1: you know Richard Whites, My friend Richard White, thank you
Speaker 1: have w co chair of wm ME. I figure you
Speaker 1: guys know each other. He hosted and was said, narrated.
Speaker 1: My friend Matt Oss British popster, he played and sang
Speaker 1: and yeah, all my friends were on Zoom Entertainment tonight
Speaker 1: sent me over a cake which my neighbor knocked on
Speaker 1: the door and delivered it to me. And when the
Speaker 1: party was done, I closed my laptop and I went
Speaker 1: up to my room with my dogs, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I am so happy I didn't have to think about
Speaker 1: a big fiftieth bash, which inevitably someone would have got offended.
Speaker 1: I would have forgotten my advisor. I wouldn't have wanted
Speaker 1: to invite.
Speaker 2: All the pressure, too much pressure, I loved.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of weirdly again, I'm like Hibernational and I
Speaker 1: don't need big to dos all the time. And I'm
Speaker 1: the same, so it depends Yet where I am like somebody,
Speaker 1: somebody can take me to brunch if they want or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: Get her a French crouler from French.
Speaker 1: For a French croller. That's it. That's it. Put a
Speaker 1: candle in it. I'm good.