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Speaker 1: This is The Eds with Eddie Judge and Edwin Aroyavi

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Speaker 1: The Husband's Know Best, a Too Cheese production.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to the Ed's podcast. We have Justin

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Speaker 2: Rose on our podcast today. I'm so excited. Justin Rose

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Speaker 2: is married to the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City

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Speaker 2: cast member Whitney. They have been married for fourteen years

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Speaker 2: and have two kids together, a girl, Bobby and a son, Brooks.

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Speaker 2: Justin also has three sons from a previous marriage. He

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Speaker 2: has thirty years plus in as an executive indirect sales.

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Speaker 2: So we are so excited to get to know you, Justin,

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Speaker 2: and you know, being that you were in direct sales.

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Speaker 2: I think Edwin's got some great questions for you.

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Speaker 1: Love Oh yeah, Justin, I love it. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: It's great to be here.

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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome Justin. Well, you got me beat by five years.

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Speaker 3: I got twenty five years in direct selling, so no idea.

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Speaker 1: We're in the same spirit. When we met at Bravo Kan.

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Speaker 3: I knew there was a reason I liked you man,

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Speaker 3: and also you're a BYO BYU guy, So now I'm

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Speaker 3: all in a BYU. A lot of my sales guys

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Speaker 3: come from BYU man salespeople.

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Speaker 1: They're really good sales people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great sales people.

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Speaker 1: You go out and.

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Speaker 4: Sell religion for two years, you can pretty much sell

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Speaker 4: anything the rest.

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Speaker 3: Of your life, exactly. Yes, that's where I get all

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Speaker 3: That's where we get all our top recruits from. Now,

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Speaker 3: So were you were you born and raised in Utah?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: I actually was born in Redondo Beach, California, so in

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Speaker 4: your neck of the woods. But we moved to Houston, Texas,

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Speaker 4: So I'm a Texan at heart. Went to high school

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Speaker 4: in Texas and then kind of moved out to the

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Speaker 4: Utah area when I went to school at BYU.

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Speaker 2: How old were you when you moved to Utah.

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Speaker 4: I was eighteen, so just graduated from high school. By

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Speaker 4: It's actually a funny story. I wanted to go to

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Speaker 4: the University of Texas because that's where all my friends

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Speaker 4: were going. I even went to my college visitation to

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Speaker 4: the University of Texas. I came home with an ear

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Speaker 4: ring in my ear and my mom cried, and we basically.

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Speaker 1: Leveled the playing.

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Speaker 4: Field of Hey, if you want to go to the

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Speaker 4: University of Texas, that's.

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Speaker 1: Great, good luck you want to go, BYU will.

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Speaker 4: Take care of your tuition cost and your school, so

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Speaker 4: I went to BYU.

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Speaker 3: Good incentive. There are your parents still out in Texas?

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Speaker 1: No, they're here now.

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Speaker 4: My dad passed away a few years ago, but my

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Speaker 4: mom they moved out to Utah when he retired.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of family here in Utah. Now.

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Speaker 4: I still have a brother and sister in Texas, but

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Speaker 4: the rest of the families.

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Speaker 3: Here now that So ultimately they moved to Utah because

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Speaker 3: you were going to school there and they want to

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Speaker 3: be closer to you, or they just well, I wish.

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Speaker 4: I could say I was the favorite, but I have

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Speaker 4: an older brother and he's actually the favorite.

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Speaker 1: He was a coach at b Y. He was the

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Speaker 4: YU for several years, and we really we kind of

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Speaker 4: rallied around him even when he played. He played for

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Speaker 4: the University of Houston. I don't know if you follow basketball,

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Speaker 4: but he played with Bi Slama Jama, with Alkema Lajyuwan

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Speaker 4: when he started coaching. We've been everywhere that he's coached,

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Speaker 4: and so my parents kind of came out here to

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Speaker 2: That's prett only sibiling.

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Speaker 1: No, we're five. Oh wow, I'm the youngest of five.

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Speaker 1: I'm the black sheep of the family.

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Speaker 2: So I get it that when I met you, you

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Speaker 2: have that energy. It's you're just a lot of fun

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Speaker 2: justin you really.

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Speaker 3: Are so thirty years in direct selling? How did you

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Speaker 3: get into that field?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 4: I was actually at BYU and my uncle introduced me

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Speaker 1: My uncle introduced me to someone had started a company.

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Speaker 4: At the time, New Skin had been doing about twelve

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Speaker 4: million in cells. They were brand new, and I just

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Speaker 4: up left and right. I had a chance to go

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Speaker 4: from just processing orders to managing the order processing department,

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Speaker 3: That's cool. So was that before you went on you

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Speaker 3: I assume you went on a mission because you grew

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Speaker 4: Yep, grew up LDS for well, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: it's unfortunate, I don't wear that badge anymore. But when

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Speaker 4: when I came home from my mission, obviously I was

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Speaker 4: still your mission Sacramento, Sacramento Spanish speaking, so let's justpanel

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Speaker 4: iocastpono siano on you.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: It's very good man.

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Speaker 1: And crazy enough.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know this at the time because we weren't

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Speaker 4: allowed to drink on my mission, but I speak better

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Speaker 4: Spanish when I drink tequila.

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Speaker 3: You need too. So so you're out in Sacramento knocking

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: It was? It was? It was crazy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there was parts of it that I absolutely loved.

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Speaker 4: I grew up Mormons, so it just like naturally just

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Speaker 1: My family put me in.

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Speaker 4: And so when you're pushed out on a mission, it's

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Speaker 4: the first time that you start to think for yourself.

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Speaker 1: You're not under your.

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Speaker 4: Parents' supervision any longer, and you have to navigate your

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Speaker 4: own journey from there. So it was a moment I

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Speaker 4: were at parties, schools, sending me letters because at that

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Speaker 4: time you could only correspond through letters. It's changed today,

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Speaker 4: but you could only call home once a year or

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Speaker 4: twice a year Mother's Day in Christmas, you could actually

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Speaker 4: make phone calls home, but other than that, all your

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Speaker 4: pictures of their incredible freshman year at Steve F. Austin

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Speaker 4: and University of Texas, and that part of it was

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Speaker 4: really hard. But once you kind of removed that and

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Speaker 1: You know what, it's not about me anymore.

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Speaker 4: Like it's a pretty cool thing for a nineteen year

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Speaker 4: And at the time I had a belief that I

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Speaker 2: Do you think the Mormon religion or you know that,

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Speaker 2: Is that a big part of why you were like

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Speaker 4: No, I believe being put in that situation absolutely helps

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Speaker 1: And you're surrounded by it as well.

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Speaker 4: It's not only you, it's everybody else went through some

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Speaker 4: different experience in their childhood. But now we're all equals

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Speaker 4: doing the same type of work. It's pretty incredible to

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Speaker 4: My two older sons went on missions as well, and

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Speaker 4: Longer active in the church, they they they look back

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Speaker 4: What they saw was. I mean, when you when you

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Speaker 4: completely different feel than when you're out trying to convince

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Speaker 4: really does open your eyes to a different world than

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Speaker 3: And so when you go on in a mission, do

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Speaker 3: you guys all stay like in an apartment? Is it

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Speaker 3: like six of you in one apartment? Or how does

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Speaker 3: So yeah, well do you get a budget? How does

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Speaker 4: It's a budget? I mean, your your parents pretty much

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Speaker 4: lot of things as kids to start a savings account.

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Speaker 4: But there were times I lived with six five other guys.

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Speaker 4: You're always in a companionship, so it was always two

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Speaker 2: That sounds awesome. I mean it helps you really become

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Speaker 2: well rounded. Can we go back a little bit and

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Speaker 2: talk about your first marriage. Yeah, so you got married.

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Speaker 2: You have how many kids with her?

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Speaker 4: So when when you go on a mission, the last

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Speaker 4: served this mission and you've done this work, you need

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Speaker 1: It's it's Yeah.

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Speaker 4: When you ever wonder why all your sales guys are

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Speaker 4: next step is to find your eternal companion and start

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Speaker 4: a family. And so I was still in the system.

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Speaker 4: I followed the system. I came home, I believe in

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Speaker 4: December of eighty nine, nineteen.

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Speaker 1: This is going to age men, nineteen eighty nine. And

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 4: Married in August, Wow, to a girl I met in February.

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Speaker 1: So that kind of shows you the accelerated path. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But was it love or was it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, to me, it was absolutely. I mean it's

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Speaker 4: obviously I lived a pretty sheltered life. So whether or

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Speaker 4: not that is everyone's definition of love. But yeah, for me,

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Speaker 4: that's what I felt like I needed to do at

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Speaker 4: the time, although there were signs and hesitations along the way,

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Speaker 4: but you can when you're brought up in the church,

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Speaker 4: you know how to stuff things down pretty easy, kind

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Speaker 4: of like just keep moving on with the program. So

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Speaker 4: but she was a fantastic girl.

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Speaker 1: I had an amazing marriage. We never had anything that.

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Speaker 4: Was a big problem other than there came a time

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Speaker 4: I couldn't do that to her because she was brought

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Speaker 4: up in the church as well, and that was kind

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Speaker 4: of like the beginning of our separation.

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Speaker 3: And how long were you guys married?

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Speaker 1: Eighteen years?

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Speaker 2: Eighteen years?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So Whitney and I were coming up on fifteen So.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you've already had two lives man, pretty much, pretty much.

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Speaker 2: I'm really curious to know your story with Whitney because

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Speaker 4: So, Whitney, So I when I worked at I worked

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Speaker 4: Obviously it's it was the fast track to be out

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Speaker 3: And how does the and you know many many people

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the reason I asked that is I

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Speaker 4: She found someone that fit her really well, and they're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I do know that not everybody gets that situation.

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Speaker 4: and then when we moved back to Utah, she was

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Speaker 4: a stay at home mom for a little bit and

450
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Speaker 4: then looking to see what she wanted to do. She

451
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 4: actually went and did a photo shoot for me. I

452
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 4: think they're called boudoir photo shoots. So it was for

453
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 4: a birthday gift, and the photographer happened to be Heather Gay.

454
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,239
Speaker 4: So she was introduced and met Heather Gay for the

455
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 4: first time and they.

456
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: Hit it off.

457
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 4: She she actually did the boudoir shoot with a couple

458
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 4: other friends that were doing the same thing for their

459
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 4: husbands and they all they had.

460
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: A great time.

461
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 4: So that's where she met Heather and they remained friends.

462
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 4: And Heather had been kind of telling her, Hey, I'm

463
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 4: working on this thing.

464
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: I think you would be amazing at it.

465
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 4: I don't know what it's going to be, but they're

466
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 4: looking at filming something here in the.

467
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: State of Utah. It's kind of reality based, but I

468
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: don't know what it'll be.

469
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna put your name in, and so Heather

470
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 4: was the one that introduced her, and all of a sudden,

471
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 4: I get a call at work and Whitney was like, Hey,

472
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 4: so we have this inner you tonight. I've done a

473
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 4: couple of interviews already, but now they want to meet you.

474
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 4: So are you okay to get on camera at.

475
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: Such and such time? And that was that. That was

476
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: my introduction.

477
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 4: I had no idea and either did Whitney of what

478
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 4: kind of show it was going to be.

479
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: We came home.

480
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 4: I brought home these lights that come with uh, you know,

481
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 4: recording and stuff, just to have a good lighting.

482
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 1: And yeah, we just started to get asked about everything.

483
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 4: And that's when I realized that Whitney shares everything. Like

484
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 4: I'm like looking at her and not knowing how to like, oh,

485
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 4: you're going to share that too. Oh we're gonna say okay,

486
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 4: we're talking about Okay, now.

487
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: We're talking about that. But that's that's how it started.

488
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 4: And then once they got together as a cat they

489
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 4: had a couple dinners and stuff to see who kind

490
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 4: of fit and they still I don't think knew that

491
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 4: it was going to be your Real Housewives franchise.

492
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: But so they kept that like as they didn't want

493
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: you to know, right, they wanted to interview you. Okay, yeah,

494
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 2: but she.

495
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 4: Always made me feel like I was going to be

496
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 4: nothing a part of it, like I just need your support, Like.

497
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: You just need to smart very smoor, you'll have to.

498
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 4: Worry about anything. And then yeah, it turned out to

499
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 4: be a little different.

500
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: But how did direct sales help you with filming? And

501
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 3: I assume you're not a shy guy in front of

502
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: the cameras because you're probably used to being on stages

503
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: and talking to twenty thousand people with your direct sales

504
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 3: background or did not.

505
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 4: No, it's definitely a different feel from being on a

506
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 4: stage in front of people to just being in a

507
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 4: room where cameras are rolling and you're trying to Like

508
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 4: I was a fish out of water the first season.

509
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 4: I believe I was actually traveling. I think I was

510
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 4: traveling international. I was flying home and I had to

511
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 4: leave from the airport to Top Golf where they're having

512
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 4: an event for Sharif. It was his birthday. Jin was

513
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 4: throwing a big party for him and they were filming it,

514
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 4: and so Whitney was like, hey, I know you won't

515
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 4: be able to be at the first part, but if

516
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 4: you can at least show up, I think that would

517
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 4: be great. And I went straight to top golf and

518
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 4: that was like the first big fight that blew up

519
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: on real households of Salt Lake City. Gin was really

520
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 4: really mad at Whitney, threw a glass, said she was ruining.

521
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 4: Sharif and I were over in a bay, like he

522
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 4: was in the bay next to me, and we were

523
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: just hitting golf balls like we're just looking back, like

524
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 4: what in the world is We had no idea what

525
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 4: was going on, but we were getting to know each

526
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 4: other and like hitting it off.

527
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: And I kind of realized then.

528
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 4: That I like to be kind of away from the

529
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 4: action just that can in on it every once in

530
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 4: a while. But what I've learned also about my journey

531
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 4: is eventually you get thrusted into.

532
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I have an interesting question for you, and

533
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: this is a lot of it based off my experience.

534
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: Have you ever found yourself in a situation where you

535
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: wanted to support or further support or get involved in

536
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 2: the drama between your wife and another cast member, whether

537
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: it's a male or female. Did you ever feel like

538
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: I better step up and I feel I need to

539
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: support my wife and say something.

540
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: Here, stay tuned all that.

541
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: Oh you did it this season, because I feel like.

542
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 4: The first four seasons I navigated perfectly. Like you know what,

543
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 4: John Barlow and I were sitting out of dinner with

544
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 4: Lisa and Whitney like literally yelling at each other for

545
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 4: an hour straight and like food was coming and cocktails

546
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 4: were coming.

547
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 1: And this was early on where do we eat? Do

548
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,239
Speaker 1: we like? What are we like?

549
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 4: And John and I have a great relationship, so like

550
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 4: there's no beef between us, but we're just like, like,

551
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 4: who are our wives right now? Like we were completely stunned.

552
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 4: So I felt like I was able to navigate even

553
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 4: the worst moments of the drama being right in my face. Yeah,

554
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 4: but yeah, it eventually caught up to me season five.

555
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: So it does. It caught out to me this season

556
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: myself too, And it happened to be I think it

557
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 2: was probably right after the episode when Edwin and I

558
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: were talking about, you know, not getting involved with any

559
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: of the drama, and next thing, you know, somehow a

560
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: week later, I'm involved with the drama and yeah, I

561
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: totally jinxed it. And you know, the following time I

562
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: saw edwin, I'm like, bro, I did it.

563
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: You know what?

564
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: Hey, that makes me feel so much better because I've

565
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 4: been dreading, dreading what's coming.

566
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: But well, the way I remember it, that's the funny thing,

567
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: the way I remember it. I I guess I came

568
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: off like an idiot, you know, as you know, just

569
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: losing my cool, which is not not what I like

570
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: to do. But according to the rest of the cast

571
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: that witnessed it all, they said that you were cool, collected,

572
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: and totally classy about it. So I don't know how

573
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: Bravo was going to play it that, you know, to

574
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: be determined, right, Am I going to look like an

575
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: idiot defending myself? Or am I going to be like

576
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: a hero?

577
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: You you just don't know, Like now you're scared.

578
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully it turns out exactly like you said, because

579
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 4: again my situation, I kind of got that same feedback.

580
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: Oh you're justin you were in the right, yeah, but

581
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: you just don't know.

582
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: You just don't know.

583
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: He speaking of.

584
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: So, You've had obviously an amazing career with your executive life,

585
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: and season three you film some stuff that got you.

586
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: From what I believe, I think you got fired because

587
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: of it. So were you in shock? And when you

588
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: filmed it, did you kind of think I might get

589
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: fired for doing this? Screwed it, I'm gonna do it anyway,

590
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: or just a complete yeah.

591
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: I want you to tell us about that moment, because

592
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: I don't. I haven't seen that moment. I've only seen

593
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: We're still friends.

594
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: Like, okay, the photo I'm gonna use. You know, it's funny.

595
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: So I saw the photo because when when we knew

596
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: you were coming, someone sent it and I glanced at it.

597
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: My heart dropped because I thought it was teddy. I

598
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: thought you guys were playing a joke on me.

599
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: That's actually really really funny. That's oh my goodness.

600
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 4: So I'll back up and then i'll kind of explain

601
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: when I worked at Life Manage. Life Manage is a

602
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 4: publicly traded company, so I was a chief sales officer

603
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 4: for them, and you know when you work for a

604
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 4: publicly traded company, it's pretty strict. I mean, everything has

605
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: to be signed off on. In fact, I got permission

606
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 4: to do well, permission for Whitney to do this show.

607
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: I did go through that process.

608
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 4: My CEO at the time was all for it, like

609
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 4: he was like, hey, there's no such thing bad publicity,

610
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 4: like let's get you in swag. And so you'll notice

611
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 4: the first few seasons I have life Vantage gear on.

612
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm you know.

613
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: And then I think they didn't quite understand what real

614
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 4: housewives could be or and and we actually changed CEOs.

615
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: We got a much more conservative.

616
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 4: CEO in house, and the dynamics started to change.

617
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: You know.

618
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 4: When I realized that I was in a little bit

619
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 4: of trouble was every board meeting.

620
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: Aaron Brockovich was one of our board members.

621
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: By the way, oh wow, Orange County.

622
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 4: And she apparently she made a run at being a housewife.

623
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 4: At one time she warned me when I was getting

624
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 4: permission to do it, that I would be divorced soon

625
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 4: if I did it.

626
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: We went in and jumped in anyways, but.

627
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: She uh So the board of directors, every time we

628
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 4: would break and have a little bit of time to

629
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 4: each other, they all wanted to know about the show.

630
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 4: Everybody wanted to ask about Whitney and the show. And

631
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 4: then at that time there was a lot of energy

632
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 4: around Jinshaw, So what's going on there? Da da da,

633
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: And then there was one board meeting that no one

634
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: asked me anything like, uh oh, the honeymoon is over,

635
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: and it was the conversation was it looked the timing

636
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: and everything looked like it was because of that one scene.

637
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 4: And I'm sure that played a role in it, but

638
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 4: they just felt like they didn't want their chief sales

639
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 4: officer in that type of situation.

640
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: So I couldn't blame them.

641
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: It was a departure that that needed to happen for

642
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: me to get to where I am now. So yeah,

643
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: but it was, Yeah, it was a little a little

644
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 4: hard at the moment, for sure.

645
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: Tell us about the scene, Now, what did we do?

646
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

647
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 4: Everybody has their own like this is how I want

648
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 4: to be read it after a business trip, But my

649
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 4: dream would be to come home and my wife to

650
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 4: answer the door in lingerie with my favorite red wine

651
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 4: and my favorite food. And that just so happened to

652
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 4: play out in the filming of Real Housewives of Salt

653
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 4: Lake City.

654
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: So I'm getting.

655
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: Home from the airport and I didn't know we were filming,

656
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 4: and but I see all the production cars and trucks

657
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 4: in front of my house and I'm like, oh, and

658
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 4: I'm exhausted. I don't want this, And I go to

659
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 4: walk you through the door, and someone came out and said,

660
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 4: justin can.

661
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: You can you stay?

662
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 4: Can you hold Yeah, I'm on the porch for a

663
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: little bit. We're just finishing up some things and then

664
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 4: are you good to film?

665
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like, oh yeah, yeah, I guess.

666
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 4: So I'm out there with my suitcase waiting for about

667
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 4: thirty minutes while they're finishing, and then finally they're like, okay,

668
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 4: go ahead, do you mind just kind of ringing the doorbell.

669
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, okayt.

670
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: Whinney opens the door and her lingerie and just we

671
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 4: It was everything I wanted. But you're in that moment

672
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 4: and you're like enjoying wine, you're having a conversation with

673
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 4: your wife, There's so many things going through your head,

674
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 4: and then you're like, there are.

675
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: A lot of people in my house right now.

676
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 4: I wish they I wish they were And then she

677
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 4: was like, hey, do you remember the gift that our

678
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: friend gave us for Christmas?

679
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, yeah, the Love is Art.

680
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

681
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: She's like, well, I think we should do it. And

682
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: I'm like I've been waiting for you to say yeah,

683
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm all for no, I think we should do it now.

684
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: And It's like once you jump on that bullet train,

685
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: you can't jump off now, right.

686
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, now it's baby steps, right because I'm like

687
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 4: looking at her like, I mean you mean, like she's like, oh, yeah, yeah,

688
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 4: we'll just set it up and then we'll just you know,

689
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: like it. So we go upstairs and yeah, like it

690
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 4: happened so fast.

691
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: But I do have to tell you the funniest because I.

692
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 4: Don't know if you know what love us art is,

693
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 4: but you throw a canvas down on the floor and

694
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 4: then you paint yourselves and then you roll around on

695
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: the canvas and it makes art, right, So all the

696
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 4: different colors of paint that you have on each other

697
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 4: and you're rolling around.

698
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: But you're not naked, are you?

699
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 4: No?

700
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: Not filming?

701
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 4: I mean you're I'm sure love his Art could be

702
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 4: done naked if you weren't filming, But no, I had

703
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: I had boxer briefs.

704
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: On, and she had but she had a thong on

705
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: and just nipple guards.

706
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a hot pick. I was impressed.

707
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, and again she she told me that we

708
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 4: were just gonna lay it out and get it ready

709
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 4: and maybe paint each other up, and we call it.

710
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: A scene right, and then all of a sudden, we're

711
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: rolling around.

712
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 4: Well before that, though, I like, I didn't want to

713
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 4: take my shirt off. I had like I wasn't in

714
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 4: the best shape, but like I was nervous about.

715
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: How far we were actually taking this.

716
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 4: And one of our camera guys was like, hey, Justin,

717
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 4: would it help if I took my shirt off?

718
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: She was like, yes, yeah, that would be awesome. And

719
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: so we're continued.

720
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 3: You look pretty. You look pretty ripped to me right

721
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: here now, I mean you look you look like you're

722
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 3: working out. You don't look like you're out of shape

723
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 3: in this pic.

724
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: By the way, Oh you're very You're very kind. You

725
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: must be in sales.

726
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 4: But through that process, I look over to the site

727
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 4: and there he is with this camera without a shirt off.

728
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: I like, I just at that point in time, I

729
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 4: just laughed and realized that it's going to be what

730
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 4: it was going to be. But here's a crazy thing

731
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 4: that a lot of people don't know. This was the

732
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 4: year that Jinny, who was on for just one season,

733
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 4: they came into some issues at the end, and when

734
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: we went to reunion and you you get all your

735
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 4: episodes to watch and catch up to be prepared for reunion.

736
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 4: That scene didn't make it, and I was like so happy.

737
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my gosh, we dodged the biggest

738
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: ball scene is not going to make it. And then

739
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 4: we went through the whole reunion and that, and then

740
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 4: a week or two after that was when things came

741
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 4: out about Ginny and then she got let go from

742
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: the show, and they took a lot of the scenes

743
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 4: that they had thought they were going to play from her.

744
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 4: Oh and one of the ones they replaced it was

745
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 4: love Is, So there's.

746
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: I'm surprised they were going to plan to keep it out.

747
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: That's good stuff. I mean, that is house life stuff

748
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: was changed.

749
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 3: It changed your life for you. Probably would have been

750
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: working at the same company still right.

751
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: Probably without a doubt, probably be still there, but probably

752
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 4: walking on.

753
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: Egg shells as I needed to at the time.

754
00:37:49,760 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: So I'm curious on the on how a non compete works,

755
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: because if they get rid of you, shouldn't you be

756
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: able to like just go work wherever you want Or

757
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 3: was it one of those like Okay, well we're going

758
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: to take care of you, but for a year you

759
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: can't work and be a competitor.

760
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was within the industry. It was a non

761
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: compete to work for a full year.

762
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that must have been tough on you, right, so

763
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 3: because you've been working all your life. And then so,

764
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: what was that experience like, all of a sudden another

765
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: for a year now you can't really do anything. You

766
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 3: drive yourself nuts? Or or was it good time off?

767
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 4: No? I drove myself completely nuts. It would be great

768
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 4: time off if you knew what was next, but at

769
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 4: that point in time it was so new and fresh.

770
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was next.

771
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 4: And so yeah, I was a little hard on myself

772
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 4: for a little bit, and then I kind of realized

773
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 4: it was what it was, and I kind of leaned

774
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 4: into the fact that I had some freedom that I

775
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 4: hadn't had.

776
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: I became a soccer dad.

777
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 4: I was driving my kids around to practices and getting

778
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 4: time with them that I hadn't had. So I I,

779
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: once I got out of my funk, I actually utilized

780
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 4: it to be a great experience. But mentally, it's really

781
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 4: tough when you're that far into your career and you

782
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 4: don't know how other people are going to view that,

783
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 4: and and and so.

784
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to fight through that.

785
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 3: And how does psychologically your wife becomes the breadwinner now, right,

786
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: because now you're not working. Was that tough or was

787
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: it was? She more like, don't worry about it. I

788
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: got it from here for right now.

789
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

790
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 4: Her her goal has been for the last little bit

791
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 4: was I'm going to retire you justin I'm going to

792
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 4: get you out of I'm going to get you out

793
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 4: of corporate, bring you home, I'll let you take care

794
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: of the kids, and I'm going to go to work.

795
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 4: I mean, that was That's kind of been her her thing.

796
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 4: And when you know her determination, you realize Whitney gets

797
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 4: what she wants pretty much, you know, all the time.

798
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 4: And but but there was that dynamic does shift a

799
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 4: little bit, and it I think it messes with men

800
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 4: probably more than it does women. And I was getting

801
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 4: paid that no one compete did come with the fact

802
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 4: that I was still getting paid, But it didn't come

803
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 4: with what's next.

804
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: Right right, So.

805
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: Wow, that's It's an awesome share man. That that was

806
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: a good story there.

807
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 4: I still I still can't believe we went through. She

808
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 4: feels guilty even today. She feels like, oh my gosh,

809
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, you put us where we are now

810
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 4: and we're we're definitely in a better place with better

811
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: people and.

812
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: So, but it also didn't it give you some time

813
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: to help Whitney with her business. I mean, your skills

814
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: are obviously universal and you can do a lot with

815
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: various companies.

816
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: And I tried. I tried really hard.

817
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 4: So Whitney her her wild Roast Beauty at the time

818
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 4: was e commerce, and network marketing is completely different from

819
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 4: e commerce. But I tried to dive in as much

820
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: as I could, and there was some frustration because she

821
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 4: would it well. I thought this was like the perfect

822
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 4: time for you to come in and kind of take

823
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: over for wild Rose Beauty and to do and I'm like,

824
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 4: I'll do what I can, but like, I don't do

825
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 4: a lot of the things you are trying to accomplish

826
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 4: right now.

827
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: And so.

828
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 4: The fact that the things have evolved the way they have,

829
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 4: we are actually in business together now with her with

830
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: their skincare. So, but at that time, she was really

831
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 4: trying to get me to move into a different industry space.

832
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: And I feel like, after thirty something years, I got

833
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: one trick.

834
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, same with me.

835
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: You're really good at it. You got to keep doing.

836
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 3: One pony when it comes to that too.

837
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I would consider that a positive experience,

838
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, it's it's even though

839
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: you had some adverse reactions and obviously got fired from

840
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: your job, I still think that was a positive experience.

841
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: Can you share with us a negative experience you've had

842
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: on the show that you either regret or wish you

843
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 2: never had participated in or anything.

844
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: Well, we can't really talk about season five. Let me

845
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: think one.

846
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 4: Through four, you know what outside of that I mean,

847
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 4: and that's not even a regret. I mean, obviously, what

848
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 4: was going through my head when we were doing the

849
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 4: Love is Art scene was I have two options here,

850
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: I back out and just refuse to do this and

851
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 4: make my wife look foolish, right.

852
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: And they'll show it, and they'll show it that way, you.

853
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 4: Will show it that way, I'll look so so that's

854
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: why I kind of just, you know, really just went

855
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 4: with it. But and it's not it's definitely isn't a regret.

856
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 4: And we try to, you know, live our life around

857
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 4: the fact that, hey, you know, even even when we

858
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,479
Speaker 4: have things that we aren't super proud of that we've done,

859
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 4: let's learn from the situation and let's grow from the situation,

860
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 4: so we don't have to look back and say, oh

861
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 4: my gosh, that ruined this aspect of my life or

862
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 4: this just let's learn from our mistakes.

863
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: And move on. But I don't have a lot. I

864
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: feel like I navigated.

865
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 4: The first few seasons as good as I could, standing

866
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 4: in a lot of corners and a lot.

867
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 2: Of different I always did behind the camera.

868
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: By the camera is a great place due.

869
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: They can't catch me here.

870
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, So no real negative experience. I mean, the only

871
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: negative experience is really when you see your wife in

872
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 4: a certain place as a result of something with the show,

873
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 4: and it's usually more about the hate that she's read

874
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 4: or something being done. And people ask me all the time,

875
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 4: like how different is it from real life? And I'm like, well,

876
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 4: it's the same, but your highs are higher and your

877
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 4: lows are lower, because like, normally you wouldn't have the

878
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 4: reaction that you have.

879
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: When you're reading, you know, some ridiculous post online.

880
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 4: But they can't can get really really low when people

881
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 4: are just you know, not good human beings.

882
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: For what it's worth, it still happens with Tamra. We

883
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: just you know, started the show for the Orange County

884
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: season and she's going through that again. You know, it's

885
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: like reading emotions. Yeah, and you know she's not happy

886
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: about the way they edit it, and you know, like, babe,

887
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 2: we've been doing this long enough. They you can't control

888
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: what they air and you really don't know the story

889
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: they're trying to tell, so you just have to watch it.

890
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: But it still affects her. Still hard, No, that's still

891
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: really really hard for her. Yeah.

892
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: I mean it's easy for me to be like Whitney stopped.

893
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: Looking yeah, yeah, yeah, and.

894
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: You know what, she does a really good job for

895
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, back you now.

896
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 4: But once you put your toe into it, you do,

897
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 4: you kind of jump right back in. And I can

898
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 4: tell the days that she's spent, you know, reading or

899
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 4: looking at things that are not the most positive. And

900
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 4: it's unfortunate because everything else is awesome, like when we

901
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 4: travel and when we go places. And they might be

902
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: the people that are posting miserable things online, but when

903
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 4: they greet you, they're amazing and they tell you, you know,

904
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 4: how much they appreciate what you've done. And especially with

905
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 4: Whitney for sharing her journey and the things she's gone through,

906
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 4: I can't tell you how many people have come up

907
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 4: to tell her how much that meant to them to

908
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 4: think that, hey, I'm not alone in this. I deal

909
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 4: with some of the same things that you were dealing with,

910
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: and I just really appreciate you bringing it out.

911
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, that side of it is pretty awesome.

912
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 3: And justin with obviously Utah being a big LDS community.

913
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 3: When you and Whitney go out, do you see people

914
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 3: give you certain type of looks or is it mostly

915
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: friendly all the time? What's that dynamic like down there?

916
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, it's mostly friendly.

917
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: Like people are really good and we're usually in places

918
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 4: like where those nasty looks. We're not in church anymore

919
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 4: that the LDS church with if we do, the church

920
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 4: is usually a non denominational church, so we don't get

921
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 4: those types of looks, which I'm sure.

922
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: Be cast at us. But but yeah, most people are

923
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: just so.

924
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 4: Gracious and good and and then others just yeah, if

925
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 4: if there's if there's an mixed energy or negative energy,

926
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 4: they usually don't even approach you. But we have had

927
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 4: a few people say weird things.

928
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: Oh really, Like I was gonna ask you what, I'd

929
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 2: never had anybody in person give us a negative experience

930
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: like that, you know, or say anything. I I probably

931
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: because I don't really look around enough, you know, I

932
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: just I don't pay attention to that negativity. But we

933
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: probably had had some ugly looks or you know, smirks

934
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: or faces, but I don't see them. And when I

935
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: don't see it doesn't affect.

936
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: Me, right, which is awesome.

937
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, never ever has anybody come up to us and

938
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: said anything negative. It's only on social media.

939
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all social media is where it lives, and

940
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 4: so I should I should clarify. And it wasn't directed

941
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 4: at us personally. But we were on a cruise and

942
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 4: this just happened like three weeks ago. We were on

943
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 4: a cruise with the family. My kids are with a

944
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 4: bunch of friends. We traveled with some friends out there

945
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 4: and they were with a group of people and they

946
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 4: recognized Brooks, my youngest son, from the show and they

947
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 4: were like, oh, my gosh, you're Whitney's and he's like yeah,

948
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 4: and they're like, oh, we don't like Whitney.

949
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: Would you tell an eleven year old boy that?

950
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: Like it actually infuriated me and like, but but that's it's.

951
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: So rare that stuff like that happens it really is.

952
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's rude.

953
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: It's crazy how many people lack just emotional intelligence, right, especially.

954
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: With the kid.

955
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 4: And it was like it was a grown lady expressing

956
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 4: her thoughts on it, and you know, yeah, just one

957
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 4: of those things that you you deal with.

958
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: But I I agree with you, Eddie. Most of it

959
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: is just positive.

960
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

961
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: You know what I do find something you said that

962
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: I find interesting and so true is how much corporate

963
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 3: people love to talk about the show.

964
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

965
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: Right, You would think they wouldn't because who watches it,

966
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: but like typically like their wives watch it or something,

967
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 3: and they just slept discussing what happens behind the scenes,

968
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: which is like entertaining.

969
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 4: When it's when it's when it's showing. Like I spend

970
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 4: the morning after the show airs, like in a full

971
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 4: conversation with a lot of the staff that I work with,

972
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 4: like answering questions and getting their opinions on things. And

973
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 4: of course they're very uh biased towards us and very

974
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: nice about like how things happen to us, so they're

975
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 4: definitely on our side.

976
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: But it does they they love, They love to jump

977
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: into it, get the details.

978
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: I have a neighbor a few houses down that somehow

979
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: found himself in Washington in a political event. Maybe it

980
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: was a charity event or something, but it was a

981
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: politician that was talking to him. And this is kind

982
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: of the general way that this happens. You know, everybody

983
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: thinks everybody who lives in Orange County knows each other.

984
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: So when he told him he lives in Orange County, like,

985
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: oh my god, do you know any of the housewives?

986
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, it's funny, you ass it's my neighbor,

987
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: you know, And he felt like he just he texts us, furs,

988
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: is it okay if we can you know facetimey. So

989
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: this politician, you know, can you know say him like

990
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: a politician wants to talk to us. They watched the show.

991
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 5: I literally have been blown away by the people that

992
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 5: watch Bravo.

993
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: It surprises you of.

994
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 4: Like people that are like it does attract a very

995
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 4: very he sophisticated, high level of education things that you

996
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 4: would be like, well, that's not normal, like I thought

997
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 4: those people never watch TV, only.

998
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 2: Read books exactly, but it is.

999
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 4: It's a great checkout for people and when and those

1000
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 4: are those are a lot of the people that do

1001
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 4: approach us when we're traveling when we're sitting down on

1002
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 4: a plane, you'll you'll get it, like, oh yeah, I'm

1003
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 4: the assistant district attorney from so and so. Whitney sat

1004
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 4: by quite a few lawyers that are just.

1005
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: The biggest fans. Yeah, yeah, it does surprise you a

1006
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: little bit.

1007
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

1008
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 3: Jen Shaw's husband, Yeah, yes, yes, talk to us about him.

1009
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 4: Like I miss him, Like he was always a breath

1010
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 4: of fresh air, Like he he was one of the

1011
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 4: coolest guys, Like, and I only know him from the show.

1012
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 4: Whitney and Jen met because of the show, and so

1013
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 4: I was interviewed to him at some of our first events.

1014
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: But he's the kind of guy that you.

1015
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 4: Meet and you're like, oh my gosh, this could be

1016
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 4: my next best friend, Like I love and he's so

1017
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 4: he's a football coach for the of Utah And in

1018
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 4: one of the reunions, I think it was the second reunion,

1019
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 4: second or third reunion, he was he got we we

1020
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 4: were in the room waiting for us to be called

1021
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 4: in and he got a call from.

1022
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: One of his.

1023
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 4: Potential players and he was like, guys, are you okay

1024
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 4: if I like this guy's this kid's parents are calling me,

1025
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 4: are you Okay if I take this call in front.

1026
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: Of you, and we were like, yeah, that's great.

1027
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 4: So he takes his call and it was like I

1028
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 4: was ready to go to the University of Utah and

1029
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 4: play football by the time that company. It was the

1030
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 4: most amazing thing ever, Like just the way he speaks,

1031
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 4: the passion that comes from inside of him when he

1032
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 4: gets really excited about what he's involved with. He did

1033
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 4: actually end up recruiting that kid. It was one of

1034
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 4: the kids from Texas that he didn't know if he

1035
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 4: was going to commit to Utah, but he got.

1036
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: But that's the type of guy he is.

1037
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 4: He's just always so upbeat, so like really really one

1038
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 4: of those people, you one of those unique people that

1039
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 4: you meet that is just always on point.

1040
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 3: And have you got to hang out with him since

1041
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 3: jen Win in prison?

1042
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 4: Well unfortunately not, Like that's that's one of the things

1043
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 4: that comes when you meet someone in this process and

1044
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 4: then something like I don't know how many people have

1045
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 4: had to deal with something like this.

1046
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: I know, you know, I've just wished him well.

1047
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 4: Obviously, I'm sure looking back that this is probably something

1048
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 4: painful that he has to, you know, not only live

1049
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 4: through what he's living, through. But to watch it on

1050
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 4: TV and to get everybody in America commenting on it

1051
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 4: has got.

1052
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: To be a really, really hard situation.

1053
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 4: So I haven't had that opportunity and chance, and it

1054
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 4: makes me sad because I do think the world of Sharif,

1055
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 4: and you know, he has two amazing kids and one

1056
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 4: that's still playing football right now.

1057
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, just I wish the best for him for sure.

1058
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: Other than Sharif, is there another house husband that you

1059
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 2: got along with and spend time without show.

1060
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 4: Our husband like we I love everyone like I get along.

1061
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 4: I get along with everyone. I don't know how well

1062
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 4: you guys know Angie Cascaravis's husband, Sean.

1063
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: He's one of spent Yeah, we spent some time with him.

1064
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 4: Okay, one of the coolest guys, so low key, but

1065
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 4: just just a great, great guy.

1066
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: I've always got along with John, even when our wives

1067
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: are not getting along.

1068
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 4: We've always figured out how to navigate through that. And

1069
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 4: then Seth is one of those people. Seth Marx is

1070
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 4: one of those people that you just want to be around.

1071
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 4: All he wants to do is talk about sports.

1072
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: And that's kind of my kind of guy.

1073
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 4: And and and the thing that we've been able to

1074
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 4: do as husbands is really not participate. Like there's always

1075
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 4: times that like Seth and I have to run into

1076
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 4: each other when Meredith and Whitney aren't getting along great. Yeah,

1077
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 4: we've been able to kind of understand that, Hey, that's

1078
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 4: what it is.

1079
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: I have no beef with you, you have no beef

1080
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: with me.

1081
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 4: I actually really enjoy spending time with with all the husbands.

1082
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: Is there a husband on the on the Salt Lake

1083
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: City Housewife Network or cast? I should say that gets

1084
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 2: over involved like the sixth or seventh house Wife?

1085
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 4: Uh I not not current well not current well yeah,

1086
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 4: not currently currently. Dewey was kind of playing into that

1087
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 4: role a little bit. I know that was earlier on

1088
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 4: in the seasons, but uh yeah, that he was someone

1089
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 4: that we the rest of us would kind of look

1090
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 4: at each other like, hey, hey, this isn't about us,

1091
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 4: this is about our lives.

1092
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 2: Yes, get involved, don't get involved.

1093
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: So he was thrusting himself in that limelight. But I don't.

1094
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 4: I think the rest of us are are pretty satisfied

1095
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 4: with our place, and uh yeah, for the most part,

1096
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 4: they allow us to just spend time together when we

1097
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 4: get together, and there's only a few times and season

1098
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 4: five probably changes it a little bit. But there's only

1099
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 4: a few times that there's anything but just really good

1100
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 4: energy between.

1101
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: All of us.

1102
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 2: That's good to know. I mean, I've had only one

1103
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 2: real friendship, but that was with David Badore. The entire

1104
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: experience I've I mean, obviously I do enjoy Shane's Company's

1105
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 2: he stays out of it as much as he loves

1106
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: to watch the show and the reality TV show we

1107
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 2: interviewed him. He was, he was phenomenal and just funny.

1108
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 4: Or I hear about him and I've had the chance

1109
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 4: to meet him, I hear great, great things.

1110
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: He's a cool cat. But the rest of the people

1111
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 2: as well, right, yes.

1112
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah about those Mormons, I don't know.

1113
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then you know we have Terry Debro, who's

1114
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 2: really cool. You know, he knows how the TV world works.

1115
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: He's got his own show, so yeah, very experience, very experienced,

1116
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: and doesn't let it get to his head. But there's yeah,

1117
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: there's been some guys like, dude, this is not about you,

1118
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: it's not your show.

1119
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: You might as well and you're like you're going to

1120
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: find out that You're going.

1121
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: To find out the wrong way.

1122
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 5: Hard did you try I think, yeah when we uh,

1123
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 5: they they they had us come together quite a bit

1124
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 5: in the first few seasons, and I did.

1125
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 4: We got a lot of hate online that we were

1126
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 4: trying to be the Jersey husbands, and I'm.

1127
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: Like, nobody's competing with Jersey.

1128
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 4: Like, believe me, they got this thing down. We're not

1129
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 4: trying to compete. We were just asked to come together.

1130
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1131
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have found that it's difficult to have

1132
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: a relationship, not just because when the girls are fighting,

1133
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: you know, it's hard to navigate through that. You know,

1134
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: it's it's it's weird. It's just weird to say, Okay,

1135
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: we our wives aren't getting along, so how are we

1136
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: going to get along? Right, unless you have a lot

1137
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 2: in common and you're spending a lot of time together,

1138
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 2: which I was with David. But it's still when when

1139
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 2: he got divorced and he went off the show and

1140
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 2: my wife was still backing up and Shannon with her divorce,

1141
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: He's like, bro, I can't be friends with you if

1142
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: your wife's gonna be talking shit on me, right, Like.

1143
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes it, that does where it kind of

1144
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 4: crosses the line, right, Yeah, start reading that hate like.

1145
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: We all feel it and we all see it like that.

1146
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 4: That is and and that's one thing that we've been

1147
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 4: able to do as husbands is not participate.

1148
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1149
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's why when we get together we're good.

1150
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 4: But if Seth Mars was out there talking trash about

1151
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 4: me in between, I'm not gonna want to see Seth

1152
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 4: when we have something to do.

1153
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it sounds like this season you got involved,

1154
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: I got involved, And there's there's definitely it's.

1155
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: Not a lot. And you know what, there's always hope

1156
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: that it doesn't show.

1157
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they're gonna show it.

1158
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna have to go back to season three

1159
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 3: and watch that little that little clip of you and

1160
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 3: and then I'm definitely gonna watch season five.

1161
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: This is this is how we stay friends, is we

1162
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: don't watch.

1163
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 2: Great talking you justin. I appreciate you coming on. It's

1164
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 2: always fun having fun husbands and and you know, share

1165
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: their fun experience and you know, some of the tragic

1166
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: ones that happened, we've all had them. But I appreciate

1167
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 2: you coming on.

1168
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: This is awesome love it appreciate you guys, Thanks so much.

1169
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1170
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: Just with the podcast fit.

1171
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 4: Here, you're kind of the only five star podcast out there, like,

1172
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 4: there's not many.

1173
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: I love to We're the only house husband podcasts. That's why.

1174
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: Keep it going.

1175
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys, that's you guys, all right, brother