1 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Exaccurate, right and stuff. 2 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: Hi everybody, welcome to the Renine Stubs Tennis Podcast. Do 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: you want to use your mic THEFDG? 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 1: Yes? I thought you would just put it there for me, 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: so I have. 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: To roll down here. We are here, we are everybody. 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: We are on site. Literally, we are in the players 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: lounge and we are looking at the beautiful grounds of 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: the Old England Club. If you haven't been here, please 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 2: make it up on your Bucke list. 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: I have to say not, although it still looks beautiful. 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: But the combination of no advertising and no lines people now. 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: Is weird, so weird to me. 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: Really, in the beginning, I didn't understand why it looks 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: so weird to me, and then I realized it. I 16 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 1: think no advertising and no lines people look strange. Well, 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: you do realize that there's always been no advertising, right, 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: No this on you. But I think the combination, well without. 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: The Ralph Lauren on the in the back, with all 20 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: the yeah yeah yeah. But the funny thing is, when 21 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: you think about it, the courts here are not very big, 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: which is kind of like I think they did it 23 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: in a lot of ways now that we're thinking about it. 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: Because everyone served in volley on grass back in the day, 25 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: so you didn't need a lot of backstop. So and really, 26 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: if you're back that far, you shouldn't be playing on 27 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: grass because either way you're in trouble. Clearly, Caught one, 28 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: Center Court, Caught two, Caught three have bigger courts, but 29 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 2: all the outside courts, so the linesmen often would get 30 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: in the way and you're like, you would be like 31 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: looking at them, like move, I'm running there, and you'd 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: like run into the back fence. So in actual fact, 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: it makes the court slightly bigger, which is helpful in 34 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: some ways. 35 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: And what about so qurt one you mentioned a qurd 36 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: one center cards? What have you heard? How do the 37 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: courts play? Because it used to be Court one players 38 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: would say plays slower than center cards. 39 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: What have you heard? 40 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: Some have said it's been really slow, But then I 41 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: didn't really know because grass is such an organic surface 42 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: that the crazy heat of the first two, yeah, maybe 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: that had something to do with it, and not really 44 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: the surface. Because England goes into a shock state when 45 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: there's it's above eighty or above thirty depending on where 46 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: you live, exactly above thirty and. 47 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: You're ninety, they definitely lose their mind. 48 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, when it snows, I will see 49 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: you one snows. 50 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about Wimbledon. 51 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: It's not gonna snow, I know, but I will see 52 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: a one time playing a challenge in like November, and 53 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: literally three snowflakes fell down. They shut the airport down 54 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: for eight days. 55 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: You used to like crappy weather here, especially snow. 56 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: But I thought, no, I don't. I don't think they 57 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: get so much snow. 58 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, well, now that we've talked about all this 59 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: stuff that we did, nobody care the top. But that's 60 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: typical of you and me. And read Petgo's substack, by 61 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: the way, that she just wrote, because it's kind of 62 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: awesome and funny. But let's get into it. 63 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: Let's talk about so much. 64 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the women to start and the upsets 65 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: we've already had. In particular jess Pagoula yesterday was that 66 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 2: that was a shocker, although Cocchiaretto played awesome. 67 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's I don't know. 68 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: Who I spoke to, but I spoke to somebody for 69 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was directly from Jessic's camp 70 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: or somebody around here, but somebody told me yesterday that 71 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: Cocearetto played the match of her. 72 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 2: Like no, no, she didn't miss. And they play very 73 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: very similarly. They hug the bass line. They don't want 74 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: to give the base line up, which is very important 75 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: on grass. And every time Jesse had a good ball 76 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: that was sort of deep and strong, which would push 77 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: a lot of players, particularly taller players back off the baseline, 78 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: Cochiarettos like getting her knees down and sort of like 79 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: almost using almost half following it back into the open court. 80 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: And Jess was like Jesus, like she wasn't used to 81 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: think about it. She just played eagishan Tak in the final. 82 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: It was a good match. She was pushing eager back 83 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: a little bit more than Conciaretta. I think Cociretto's balance 84 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: and like her knee bend and all the little things 85 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: like that really helped her. And she served well, I 86 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: mean just had you know, attitude wasn't great and sometimes 87 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: you have to adjust. I think she tried to in 88 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: some regards, but gotcha, Retto was the better player in 89 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: the end, and I don't know did it catch up 90 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: with her, Jess winning so quickly and then coming here 91 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, how do you feel about it? 92 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: I think I don't think physically. I think she's such 93 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: a fit player and most of them. I don't think 94 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: it's physically, but I do think you get this kind 95 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: of emotional tiredness. And granted they are used to these 96 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: tennis players. I used to it, but I think we've 97 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: seen it here a lot. There are a lot of 98 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: players that have been burned out, that look burned out 99 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: that I've talked about being burned out. There are so 100 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: many tournaments on the schedule. We've talked about it plenty 101 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: of times. And I did think that emotionally because when 102 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: you get because Jess is usually calm, Yes, she's sometimes 103 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: gestures and you see it on her face if you 104 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: know her well that she's not happy, but she rarely 105 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: ever shows outward emotion. You could see a lot in 106 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: her yesterday, particularly after being a set. 107 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: Thing about the her rackets, her strings. 108 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I usually don't see that 109 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: from her, and I think that those are typically signs 110 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: for being emotionally and mentally tired. Yes, yeah, I mean listen, 111 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: I don't think it was physically. 112 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 2: No, No, she said her knee was fine, she had it 113 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: taped up, but it wasn't taped. It was kinesiology tape, 114 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: which is a little bit different, right, It's not quite 115 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: as that's not aggressive. That's kind of almost like trying 116 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: to just help the muscles relax or fire or trigger. 117 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that was the surprise, and then. 118 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: I mean the biggest surprise on the on the women's term. 119 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry because if you look at it. 120 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: Was so wide open for Paola, Oh my god, yes, yes, so. 121 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: But if you look on the women's side on the upset, 122 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: on the upsets that we've had most of them, you 123 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: could kind of predict. I predicted but Doosa would go 124 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: out against Balter? She did. I kind of expected GoF 125 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: to struggle early. I didn't know if it was already 126 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: in the first round or in the third against Cannon, 127 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: but I thought that this was going to be hard 128 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: for her, just because she didn't have so much time 129 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: to prep and I was in the Berlins Open organizing team. 130 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: I know that she had arrived on Tuesday, playing on Thursday, 131 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: when you know these things, yeah, or Monday, let's say 132 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: Monday night. You know that she had so many obligations 133 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: after the French Open, I don't know how much time 134 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: she had to practice to get ready mentally ready into 135 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: the next day and into the next such a big 136 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: event on the calendar, and it's just hard to do. 137 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 1: It's so packed the calendar. I really don't know how 138 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: these consistent guys do it, like Saballenka, like singer, like Alcara, 139 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: and even al Choras almost stumbled. 140 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean listen, Alcaraz is winning and going 141 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: to Abitha for a few days. It's a little close 142 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: to the London. Yeah, I mean, you know, goes back in, 143 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 2: going back to New York and then coming back again. 144 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 2: And look, do I think she lost because of that? 145 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: And she sort of said and pressed that she would 146 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: probably approach things differently. I don't think that was the issue. 147 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: Like I think you could look at it. I think 148 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: that certainly didn't contribute, maybe because she didn't have the 149 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: prep that she needed on grass. And I think that's 150 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: definitely possible that she didn't quite have the prep she 151 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: wanted and have the you know, the enough practice or 152 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: matches practice matches on grass and all this. But I 153 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: think this just came down to match up Pepco. I 154 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: think if she I think if she plays a Cochiuretta 155 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: as well as Cochiuretto played. I don't think she would 156 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: have liked Coco's game like she liked Jess's game. Jess 157 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: hits the ball really flat and hard, right into her 158 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: hands right, because she's smaller at in stature, ball comes 159 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: into a hitting zone. You have to always think about matchups. 160 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: If Coco plays Petrick Avitova right, who's maybe noted at 161 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: her best, and she's serving the ball to Coco's back end, 162 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: Coco's getting removing, Coco probably wins that match, right when 163 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: you think about Yestremska, this is the biggest worst matchup 164 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: for Coco in the first round. Now, if Coco was 165 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: confident coming in on Grass, I still think that's a 166 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: really hard matchup. What does your Stemsku do? She's the 167 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: one two three maximum punch player, Bang with the return, bang 168 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: with the second shot, serve plus one. She's not going 169 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: to a type of person that's going to rally for 170 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: six or seven like Pagola. Probably has a better chance 171 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: against a Eustropskun right because she's going to get that 172 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: one ball with heaviness, back, harder and Ytromsk's ability to 173 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: maybe hit five great shots, very rare, two or three 174 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: very good. Right, so you've got two problems. Coco's fourhand 175 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: on clay, it gets up high, it gets out of 176 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: people's hitting zones. It's difficult, right, She has time to 177 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: run balls down on clay, she has time to frustrate. 178 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: Like she wouldn't lose to Yes Stromskir on clay she 179 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 2: was three and oh and I had and lost a 180 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 2: set six love against her. 181 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but recently, and that was very similar because 182 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: I called both matches. I called the match yesterday and 183 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: the one in Madrid, and it was very similar where 184 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: and I honestly thought Coco was going to turn it around. 185 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: And at first set there was this moment, Yes Stromskar 186 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: was up five to two. Yeah, but in Madrid was 187 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: very similar. Y Stremscar came out one, two, three punches 188 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: so flat, so powerful, and it helps in Madrid because 189 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: it's a little altitude, so it's faster exactly. And Coco 190 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: was just overwhelmed by the piece there was coming at her. 191 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: And then you could see you while the match progressed, 192 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: she got more and more comfortable, made one extra shot, 193 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: extended the rallies. That's what it's now in the end 194 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: it was just yes Stramscar missing and the important. 195 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: Which guess what happened at the final of the French Open, 196 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: same thing, right, Sabalanca comes out on fire up for one. 197 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: Then Coco gets back to four all, and then you 198 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 2: start to see the anxiety changes with Sabalanka. Sabalanka starts realizing, oh, 199 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 2: I got to hit it one inch from the sideline, 200 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: not two or three feet from the sideline. Yestremscar on 201 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: grass and on clay was probably thinking the same thing. 202 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: Oh my god, she's getting it back. Now I have 203 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: to get close to the line. I have to take 204 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: more risks. But on grass you don't have to take 205 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: as much risk because if you hit the ball on 206 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: your forehand at ninety miles an hour on grass and 207 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: it's into the open court, I don't care how fast 208 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: you are. So hard to get Coco is the fastest 209 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 2: plan onto it. You're not getting to that ball now. 210 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: On clay, you're getting to that ball and it's going 211 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 2: to come back, and then you're going to take more 212 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 2: risk and you're going to miss, which is why Coco 213 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: beats people on clay. On grass, her forehand is short, 214 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: they can go one to point as over and there's 215 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: nothing Coco can do. Now Is she going to start 216 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: striking the forehand bigger? Okay, maybe, but that's not her game. 217 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: So my thinking is she should have been chipping. She 218 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: should have been playing ugly when Yoshianska hits the serve 219 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: to her forehand, rather than try and crush the forehand. 220 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: Because by the way, now you're out of court and 221 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: she's going to go bang into the open court and 222 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to run it down. 223 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: Chip it back, make it ugly, quite ugly, chip it 224 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: below the net. You know your streams is not quite 225 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: comfortable coming in, like you have to have game plan B. 226 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: And that wasn't the case. And her first serve percentage 227 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 2: was what fifty three percent? 228 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't great. She had a lot of double You 229 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: could tell that her was off on the surf, but 230 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: why is the rhythm off? Yeah it was. Yeah, she 231 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: was just getting stressed that she was just being taking 232 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: time away from I think with Coco, I agree with 233 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: you to a certain extent. I said it from the 234 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: get go. I think she should chip the return at 235 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: because Estramska kept serving the same serve over and over again. 236 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: The wide slice low one and Coco kept missing fourhands 237 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: into the net. I think she should have chipped that. 238 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: But to be fair, when she was down five to two, 239 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: she started hitting. We I called the match. We had 240 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: the hawk eye statistics. She started hitting the ball bigger. 241 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: She went up by six miles an hour and taking 242 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: more on average, taking more risks, and the whole match changed. 243 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: And she should have probably won that first set because Yes, 244 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: streamscal was overwhelmed. She didn't. Yes, streams Cup played an 245 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: incredible tie break. It reminded me of the I don't 246 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: know if you saw the no well dead, but I 247 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: don't know if you saw the first set Rinda Knesh 248 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: against her fibreak. Rinda Knesh was like to get just 249 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: out of his ass, and it reminded me of that. 250 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: That was just too good. And I thought, now, but 251 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: Cocoa now has the she got the hang of it. 252 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: You know, she got the hang. She has to put 253 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: a bit on it. But it wasn't like out of swords. 254 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: And so I do think that that messed her up 255 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: in a way because she never got the idea to 256 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: starting to play ugly because it worked from that stretch 257 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: of being down five two to getting back to five. 258 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I think there was a problem. 259 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: You also have to be you also have to recognize 260 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: when your opponent gets a bit tight as well. Okay, 261 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: so five two up, now all of a sudden, it's like, oh, 262 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to win the set, So you get a 263 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 2: little bit tight as well. If you're strength scut, maybe 264 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: you stop going for it and taking the risk because 265 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I'm winning, just you know, make them play. 266 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: I don't know what was going through her head as well. 267 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: But also when it got to, you know, the tie 268 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 2: break in those situations, that's where I think Coco may 269 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: have double folded the first point on her serf. Like, 270 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 2: the reason she's double folding is because she's clearly not 271 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: getting the first serve and she's lost a rhythm. But 272 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: also the second serve was always going to be a problem. 273 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: I was going to do this lead up for the 274 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: match for ESPN. The two things that are concerning for 275 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: Coco on grass are the shortness of her forehand and 276 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: the height of her forehand, which is great on clay, 277 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: but grass it's just sitting there in the hitting zone. 278 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: And her second serve it's very predictable and EU Strengthska 279 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: has a huge forehand, and I thought, if you're not 280 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: hitting on a huge return, she leaves massive and so 281 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: immediately off of the serve, Coco is stressed. So your 282 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: strengthsker served. Well, it's one thing that goes off on 283 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: her sometimes it's the second serve. 284 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: And she did serve the three double files when she 285 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: was serving for the first set exactly, so sort of 286 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: reeled it back in exactly. 287 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: Actually, I give her a lot of credit the first set, 288 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: so I thought she was going to lose it when 289 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: it came back to five and a really good game there. 290 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: But it's more along the lines of Coco has to 291 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: recognize also, ge like this girl's strength is going for 292 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: the return. I've got to get at least get a 293 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: first serve in here before and not put myself under pressure. 294 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I think she knew that because 295 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: all of her double files usually her double files are 296 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: kind of everywhere, every single one, And I do think 297 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: that she The reason for that was that she tried 298 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: to keep it low because Esska likes it a little 299 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: bit high. That's why she likes playing Coco's. 300 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 2: Forehand on grass. 301 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I did think there was a tactical 302 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: understanding in it. Unfortunately it went badly for her because 303 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: they landed mostly on the net. But I did think 304 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: that that's what she was trying to do. And just 305 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: as an added as an added perspective, I looked up 306 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: the winning quota for Yes Gemsky and she's a lot 307 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: higher on grass than on any other surfaces. Yes, which 308 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: under underline what you just said. Yeah, because she is 309 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: a one three one two three punch player and on 310 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: the other surfaces, the longer the rarely goes, the more 311 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: erratic she becomes. 312 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. And her game is very similar to to a 313 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: not a sabl Anka Sablinka will chip and throw in 314 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: some spin and all that. So it's kind of like 315 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: an Amanda Anissa Mova or on a Vickage type who's 316 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: just really hitting the ball hard and flat all the time, 317 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 2: and they don't have a lot of margin. And that's 318 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: why when I saw the draw, I went, oh shit, 319 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: that is a terrible draw, Coco, because she, let's face it, 320 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: she beating someone six love in a set. You know 321 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: that they're coming after you. Yeah, And you know, one 322 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: grass when it's your worst surface and your forehand, which 323 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: is your worst shot, is going to be so much 324 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: more difficult to play on grass against a ball that 325 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: is coming at you at ninety miles an hour. It 326 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: was just so I talk about, Yeah, could she have 327 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: had more time prepar preparing, Could she had more matches 328 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: in Berlin? Sure, But I think this comes down to 329 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: straight up a bad matchup. 330 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: Bad matchup. I think in the end it's always a combination. 331 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: Maybe if she had had a bit more time on grass, 332 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: maybe she would have felt more comfortable to take the 333 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,479 Speaker 1: first set, and maybe she would have had the clarity 334 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: to play ugly when it to manage most. But the 335 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: combination of I haven't maybe played as much as I 336 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: wanted on grass, the other one is not giving me 337 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: any time to think clearly, and she's playing clearly well. 338 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: She's played the final in Nottingham and I think the 339 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: Semis and Esbourne, so she came in winning a lot 340 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: of conscios. So it's not only it's not the yestremscut 341 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: that can go off and lose five first rounds, which 342 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: we know, I mean, terrible combination. 343 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 3: For two years you she qualified the coach's bags. This 344 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 3: my new guy, That's right, he's back and he's giving her. 345 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 3: So you talked about you touched on it briefly. Yes, 346 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: Stremska is mentally not mentally I want to say, emotionally 347 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 3: not quite stable off. Yeah, she's absolutely and he gives 348 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: her that emotional stability. He's there, he keeps yelling at her, 349 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: he instills that intensity and he clearly helps her. It 350 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 3: was with him that she made the Australian Open semifinals. 351 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 3: He's back and she had a huge upset. 352 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: Yes, Cocoa wasn't at her best, but yes s Trem's 353 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: Cup played an almost perfect match except from that five 354 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: to two to five all stretch. 355 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And you know, I do think that Coco. 356 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: You know, she looked up at her box in the 357 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: second set and was like what do I do? What 358 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: do I do? You've got to be able to have 359 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: a game plan B and c. 360 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: That was That's the only thing. Now the German I've 361 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: been commentating in Germany. It's really hard in English. 362 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: The good thing is I know what that. 363 00:16:50,320 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 4: Means, you know, goodhine. 364 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: I do think that the only thing she could have 365 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: done is maybe make things so ugly and see what happens. Yeah, 366 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: other than that, I do think that it was on yes, 367 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: Jam's class record, and I'll credit to her she took it. 368 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree to her. You know, even the last 369 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: couple of game. I think the one game the match 370 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: point either. But what I have to say the four one, okay, 371 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: it was the second four one. I was in the stadium. 372 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: I actually went and watched the match live. I wanted 373 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: to see it live because I wasn't working last night. 374 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: I'd finished on ESPN and the four one game in 375 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: the second set, I said to everyone, this is not 376 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 2: over your Strengthsier was serving and I said, if she 377 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: can break here and then hold it four three, the 378 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: pressure and we know one of the issues with your 379 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 2: stremscut is the serf. It can go off because her 380 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 2: technique is not great and it's very discombobulated, and if 381 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 2: you get nervous, it's not good. Her good thing is 382 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: for her when she gets tired, it goes to the forehand, 383 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: which is to Coco's weakness. But the first point at 384 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: four one, she hits such a slow first serve to 385 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 2: Cocos foehand, and Coco won the point and played a 386 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 2: really good point, super aggressive, and I was like, oh shit, 387 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: I said, if you're Coco, you have to see that. 388 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: You have to see that your opponent's just rolled the 389 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: first serve in right, and Coco won the point. Next point, 390 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: average serve, Coco misses the return and I'm like, I 391 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: think on a backhand and I'm like, oh my god, no, 392 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: like you have to make her play now, make her 393 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: beat you now. Right next point, I think a missed return. 394 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: It was the forehand return and I'm like, and it 395 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 2: wasn't even good, serf. And I was like, oh no, 396 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 2: Like that's where you have to maybe go ugly. 397 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: I know, but this will now come from somebody that 398 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: can identify with Coco a lot more than you, because 399 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: because I fucking hated grass. I hated playing on grass, 400 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: and it's so interesting. The one thing that I could do, 401 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: no matter when you wake me up, was return. I 402 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: could make returns. I would like, if I got my 403 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: record on it, I would make on grass. 404 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: Fucking not. 405 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: I would always miss them into the net. It was 406 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: so difficult, and your grip was not extreme, but it was. 407 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: It was semi western. 408 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but not as Loco at all. But for some 409 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: reason it was so and that's why I didn't play 410 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: well on grass because technically, once I get in the rally, 411 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: I can't play on grass, you know, But I just 412 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: was My surf was not a huge bomb, so I 413 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: had to play more rallies than others, and my big 414 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: strength to return what I made up for for my 415 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: not great serf was gone on grass because I made 416 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: so many return mistakes that I never would make. And 417 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: I think Coco feels similar. I don't know what it 418 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: is for her, obviously, because I'm not in her body, 419 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: but I can identify with it because Cocoa usually makes 420 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: every return she gets. 421 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: A record on. 422 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: Even on the shore, yes she can miss on the forehand, 423 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: but usually on the slower surfaces she gets she gets 424 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: many many returns. Yeah, true, true, And for some reason, 425 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: on grass it's so horrible. 426 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 2: Well, and also she knew I can't just kind of 427 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: averagely because she is literally going to take the next 428 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: ball and just jam it into the opening and crush it. 429 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: So I think it's a combination of just everything, all right. 430 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 2: So I mean, other than those two kind of everything's 431 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: moving on Coupit of her has now retired. It was 432 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: a good win for Navarro just because it was never 433 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: going to be in an easy sort of matchup knowing 434 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: you're playing Petra, but h and everyonething else is kind 435 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: of smoothly going along with Jico. I was nice to 436 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: see her get through that first round. Look, she's had 437 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: a lot of injury. She's there was it was, you know, 438 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: come off of finals in Eastbourne. So so good to 439 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: see that everything, everything else is kind of moving right along. 440 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: The men's Wow, it's very about again. 441 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: Did you see his press conference? No, oh, you didn't, 442 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: breaking the news. 443 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: Break the news to me. 444 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: Well, it was really interesting. So there were two press conferences, obviously, 445 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: one in English, one in German, and. 446 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: He said, is he more honest in German? 447 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: It was similar. It was really interesting because and it's 448 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: funny because I just see two German journalists who were 449 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: conducting the German press conference. They are just in front 450 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: of us. So he said that he feels very alone 451 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: right now, and that's interesting. Yeah, that he doesn't really 452 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: have anything that makes him happy. Winning doesn't make him 453 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: as happy as it used to be. The only thing 454 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: that makes him happy, that's a party set in German 455 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: is his daughter, his four year old, but he doesn't 456 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: see her, He can't see her that much, and so 457 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: it's been very difficult for him to find happiness outside 458 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: of the court. And there was one occasion in the 459 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: fourth set where it was so he was down two 460 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: sets to one, four set tiebreak, it's five all, so 461 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: he has a second serve, and I said, already, you 462 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: saw that, and he had already served a few double 463 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: faults and important moments. Vere F, I'm talking about zaf 464 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: He has a second serf, So this point we'll decide 465 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: whether it's set point for Zverev or match point. And 466 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: Zverev serves one hundred and thirty seven mile per hour 467 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: second serve and HiT's peltically, yeah, down the tee and 468 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: hits an ace and later not an ace but a serviceman, 469 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: and later he said, you know when I hit that surf, yeah, 470 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: that looks great. But I just didn't care. If I 471 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: had hit a double fault, I wouldn't have cared that 472 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: I would have been match point down. So basically, in conclusion, 473 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: it was along the lines of being burned out. What 474 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 1: we just talked about. What we saw with a lot 475 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: of being burned out, lacking motivation, not really finding the 476 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: joy in the game, and we've seen that with a 477 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: lot of players and I really think the organizations will 478 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: have to change something around the schedule. And we see 479 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: that more and more frequently. And I know you don't 480 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: like CERF, that's like, that's okay, but I think that 481 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: I think that's. 482 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: I don't like the former or the stuff that's been reported, 483 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: but you know. 484 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: But I think it's a it's a common theme. 485 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: Now. 486 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: We heard were sorry about it in Madrid, we heard 487 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: Carlos talk about it after the Miami and also. 488 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 2: Not only Carlos talk about it. I don't know if 489 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: you've watched his Netflix special, but he talks about it 490 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: quite openly, like a couple of years ago, when all 491 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: the expectation and the pressures and finding the joy and 492 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 2: he has to play with joy and all that sort 493 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 2: of stuff. And you know, I don't think people realize 494 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: that this is a really, really tough life. You know, 495 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 2: you're on the road all the time, you don't see 496 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 2: anyone's and it's stress and it's pressure all the time. 497 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 2: Every time you walk on the tennis court or go 498 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: on to the practice cord or all this sort of stuff, 499 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: all you're thinking about is tennis and matches and winning 500 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: and losing. And it's very, very mentally taxing, and listen, 501 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to compare it to somebody who goes to 502 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: work every day and it is like trying to just 503 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: put food on the table, because it's very different to that. 504 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 2: But I just it's it's a lot of pressure and 505 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: it's a lot of stress consistently, especially for the top 506 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 2: people that are expected to to do well all the time. 507 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 2: But anyway, Alcarez's first round was unbelievable against von Nini. 508 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 2: It was great to see Fabio get that moment you 509 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: just knew that Fabio was going to play well. 510 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was freaking dying. That was the most Fabia 511 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: for Uni can do. 512 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: Do you feel like it's because Alcaraz looked really sort 513 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: of he looked Alchariz looked a little flat, and I 514 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, because he's playing a guy that has 515 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 2: more jett Aviv than he does on the court, right, 516 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 2: you know the swagger and you know the shots he hit. 517 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 2: He hit some unbelievable shots in that match, and it 518 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: was almost like he you know, you saw the original Alcoraz. Yeah, 519 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: and then Alchoriz is like, wait, I'm not I'm not 520 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: the funny like charismatic dude out here. Yeah, I think 521 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 2: it sort of took away from him a little bit. 522 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: He wasn't like feeling the joy that he feels because 523 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: he wasn't the show. Yeah, Babio was, you know. But 524 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 2: in the end it clearly being thirty seven years of 525 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 2: age caught up with him in the fifth set. But 526 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: it was fun to see, but also a real wake 527 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 2: up call for Carlos to get his matches over a 528 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: little bit quicker. Although Fabio can play, huh, I mean 529 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 2: he can play. It was so fun. 530 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: No, I was laughing because I was in Rome in 531 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: the stadium when he got the farewell from the Italian ground, 532 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: and it was like the end of the Lord of 533 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: Rings movie where they have seven endings and kept going 534 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: like they showed one video, people were crying, and then 535 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: they showed another video. You know. This was like, soice 536 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: matches on and Grand Slam stage is the best matches 537 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: on mas Thursday. The one time he won Monte Carlo, 538 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: the other time he'd beat Draffer. So it's like, I 539 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: think in the end they showed like fifteen videos and 540 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: after a while, after an hour, people were like, Okay, 541 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: are we still supposed to be crying because this is 542 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: a little much, so I was like, this guy's done 543 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: for good. And then three weeks later it is at 544 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: the French Open, playing his first round there in classic. 545 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: So it was so fab year for Uni, so Italian, and. 546 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 2: That one of the moments that I'll remember forever is 547 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 2: when they had that medical time out in the fifth 548 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 2: set for a spectator, when he went back to talk 549 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: to Flavia Panetta, his wife, and they were just having 550 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: this full on chat and I could hear a couple 551 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: of things in Italian like ah see, and she was 552 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: just like, I can't remember the words now, it's just 553 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 2: skipping my mind. But it was so funny that there 554 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: were just like, literally these two champion tennis players who 555 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: are married and they've got their three kids up there 556 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: and just having a conversation on Senacor while he's waiting 557 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: to go back and play. And I thought, this is 558 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 2: just the best, one of the best moments I've seen 559 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: in a long time. I was so adorat and they 560 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: were laughing, and I was like, oh, that that is 561 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: a joy that ill remember. 562 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: And the two of them. If if Fabiau manages to 563 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: really make it end here and not pull a Lord 564 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: of the Rings with seven more endings. This will be 565 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: the most incredible wirewash for the married couple of Lavia Panetta, 566 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: who finished her career with the US Open title, and 567 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: then him with this five setter against one of the 568 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: best players not in the world but me might be 569 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: one of the best players in fives I know. And 570 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: to end like this, it's perfect. 571 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: Okay, So janick'sinner when when he went wins comfortably. 572 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, I have to tell so. 573 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 2: My so. 574 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: I always say about Yanick. He has this business like 575 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: facade that he has charm and with behind the cy right, 576 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: and especially when you speak in German with him, you 577 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: can tell that he's like witty. He just doesn't show 578 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: it so much. 579 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 2: I had a funny situation happened yesterday it which entailed 580 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: some stuff I can't say because it was it's so 581 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: not for the public. But he was so funny to 582 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: me and so freaking adorable, And I'm like, you're literally 583 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: one of my favorite people because he is a little 584 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 2: silent assassin with suff good That's a very good description. 585 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: But I always want to tell people this, and then 586 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: sometimes if people just see him on TV, they don't 587 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: believe me that here's this charm to him and yesterday 588 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: and he posted it today on Instagram. So that cracks 589 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: me up. Is yesterday he hit one ball through his 590 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: legs like running back. Did you see? I saw that? 591 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: So he was so happy, Like I honestly think he 592 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: was happy, but he looked happier to play this shot 593 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: that nobody expects of him. 594 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: Then Women's like, yeah, I can do a little Carlos too, Okay, 595 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: so you know, like me just as much. Right, I'm 596 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: not his fancy all the time, but I can do it. 597 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: I just don't because I'm from northern Italy, a little 598 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: bit more German than Italian. 599 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: And then he and today on Instagram. I opened up 600 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: my Instagram thing and the first thing I see is 601 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: that shot him playing it through around. I'm like, the 602 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: guy loves himself being a little joker, just doesn't want 603 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: to show. And I was like, oh my god, he's 604 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: he wants to show that he's a joker as well, 605 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: but he can't quite get. 606 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: There because it's just not his personality. This is why 607 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: we love him so much and why I still feel 608 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 2: horrific for him that he didn't win that match. And 609 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 2: as much as and everybody knows how much I love Galitos. 610 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: They're just the best. 611 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: They're just the best, guys. I'm so I mean literally, 612 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: we got so lucky. It was like like ra Friend 613 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: and Roger got reincarnated. 614 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean it's just in the TikTok version, 615 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: TikTok version exactly. 616 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 2: Anyway, all right, so you have to run, Let's yeah, 617 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 2: maybe let's do it, Aaron, Let's walk and talk while 618 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 2: see you later. While okay, guys. So I just wanted 619 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: to add a little something because Petco had to run 620 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: do some TV and you know, we're running around like, 621 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: as I say, chicks with our heads cut off over 622 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: these two weeks of a Grand Slam, and so she 623 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: had to run. But what I wanted to say at 624 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: the end, because you know, it was nice to sit 625 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: down with pet Goo and talk about Wimbledon and what's 626 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 2: happened here over the last few days. And it's always 627 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: such a joy to be here at Wimbledon and always 628 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: such a joy to talk to Petco out tennis. We 629 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: could sit there and talk for hours. But and we 630 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: and I and Caitlin and everyone, we really appreciate you 631 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: always sitting down and listening to the podcast. And you know, 632 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: I had somebody walk by me in the village the 633 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: other day and he said, love the podcast. You know, 634 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: thanks for that. So everybody that ever comes up to 635 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: me and does thank me and also tells me that 636 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: they love it, it really means a lot to us. And 637 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 2: we appreciate your support through not only you know, the 638 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 2: last little bit, but through the years of being podcast 639 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: listeners of our podcasts, and Caitlin and myself and pet 640 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: Go we really we do enjoy when you come up 641 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: to us in shops and on the street and tell 642 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: us that you enjoy it. So I just want to 643 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: throw that in there and thank you very much for that. 644 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 2: It's been a it's been a it's been a tough 645 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: couple of days for me. My mum actually passed away 646 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: on Saturday before the tournament. So I'm heading back to 647 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: Australia next week. So have some patience with me getting 648 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: you know, all the stuff about Wimbledon t you once 649 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: the tournament is done and settled. And my mom was 650 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 2: my most My most earliest memory of Wimbledon is my 651 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 2: mom sneaking into my bedroom as a kid and tapping 652 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: me on the shoulder and waking me up and whispering 653 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: in my ear, Wimbledon's on, do you want to come 654 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: and watch? And we'd sit out there in you know, 655 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: the cold of Sydney in winter and watch Wimbledon and 656 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: watch all my favorite players like Borg and Mace and 657 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: Roe and Chrissy and Martina. And that was the era 658 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 2: that I grew up with. An Evon Goolagong Callie, and 659 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 2: that was the ear that I grew up with as 660 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: a young child. And it just made me love this 661 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 2: place so much. It's one of the reasons why I 662 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: stayed to work the first week with ESPN, because it's 663 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: what my mum would have wanted. And I know this 664 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: is a bit of a downer, but I just wanted 665 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 2: to really dedicate this particular pod and my joy of 666 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: Wimbledon and everything to my mom, Margaret