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Speaker 1: Welcome into the tailgate. I'm Chris Welsh. I've got Andrew

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Speaker 1: Erickson and Derek Brown with me. As we are going

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Speaker 1: to be looking at twenty twenty six, last twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: seven dark horses for Super Bowl contenders in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about that here a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be using some odds with betting pros and

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Speaker 1: we're going to be seeing, Yes, all the favorites are awesome.

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Speaker 1: We love the favorites. We don't want to bet the

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Speaker 1: rams and stuff, but are any of these dark horse

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Speaker 1: candidates really viable? And that'll be the discussion. Plus, there

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Speaker 1: is a bunch a bunch of NFL news going around,

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Speaker 1: because boys, the preseason is around the corner. I can

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Speaker 1: I can smell the cut grass, I can smell I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you can smell the helmets smashing, but I

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Speaker 1: can kind of smell it. And it brought up something

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Speaker 1: very important to me. As the Hall of Fame game

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Speaker 1: coming around. I instantly went to thinking about the preseason goats.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about like the goats of the

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Speaker 1: like NFL or anything like that I'm talking about the

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Speaker 1: dudes that come out of absolutely nowhere, like hard knocks

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Speaker 1: or something will like prop up a player, and you'll

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Speaker 1: see these guys with these incredible stats and then poof

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Speaker 1: And you know, the first person that came to my

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Speaker 1: mind was Thomas Clayton running forty nine er. He was

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Speaker 1: He's like a totally random but I was thinking Thomas

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Speaker 1: Clayton went ballistic. And then I had another in vision

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Speaker 1: of Zach Zenner, who led the entire NFL in three

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Speaker 1: D rushing yards one hundred and eighty three. And he

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Speaker 1: also this is a fun stat I found he had

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Speaker 1: ten first downs in the preseason, which led everybody. This

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Speaker 1: one from a name perspective, Sincere McCormick was just a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Again, another like forty nine er

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Speaker 1: and that's what we're about to get Ericson. We're about

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Speaker 1: to get a player that will never exist again except

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Speaker 1: in this little, little tiny part of our brain that's

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Speaker 1: gonna come up in like six years when you're sitting

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Speaker 1: around with your buddies and you're just being like, I remember,

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Speaker 1: give me a couple of your member berries from the preseason,

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Speaker 1: because I know you got to have some good ones.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're a Patriots fan, you definitely remember this guy,

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Speaker 2: Zach Suttfeld, a tight end that had a monster preseason

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Speaker 3: Gronk, who we don't need Gronk. We got the next

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Speaker 2: Suttfeld's a good one did not amount to anything whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: I think that he actually ended his career on the Jets.

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Speaker 2: So again, whether that was four or after he was

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Speaker 2: a Jet remains to be seen. I'm here Abdula. He

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Speaker 2: was another player where during his rookie year, I think

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Speaker 2: I remember it.

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Speaker 1: I remember the long run.

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Speaker 2: Everyone remembers where they were when a Miredula ripped off

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Speaker 2: that long preseason run in whatever year it was his

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Speaker 2: The preseason games aren't in the TV, so clearly I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna draft this a miredula guy. And I had

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Speaker 2: the same thought as basically everybody else watching that game.

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Speaker 2: And Abdula is still kicking around the NFL. I think

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Speaker 4: What team is here?

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Speaker 1: Sure? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: No, I think he's actually on the Jaguars.

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Speaker 2: Jaguars JA, He's in the AFC South. So we narrowed

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Speaker 2: it down by the chicken.

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Speaker 1: We'll play chicken, like, what team is he? Quite on?

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Speaker 1: Will raise you your Jaguars, the.

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Speaker 2: what that preseason run. I need to look that up

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Speaker 1: Fun fact, I used to work for sports Authority back

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Speaker 1: my fondest member, I had a couple of them baseball player,

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Speaker 1: Jason Schmidt came in and I talked with him a

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Speaker 1: and this will be relevant to this show. We're about

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Speaker 1: and he needs I don't know what he needed to do.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you want, take it whatever, whatever you need to get.

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Speaker 1: Brother Whack can help you with. And he came in

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Speaker 1: and he was it looked like he just got done

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Speaker 1: The cool thing about working at those that's my member

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Speaker 1: Barry is Jared Allen there, But Debro, I absolutely know

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Speaker 1: you're gonna give us a banger member Barry from the preseason.

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Speaker 4: Dude, I'm gonna go on the wayback machine for my

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Speaker 4: first guy. Does everybody remember where they were in twenty

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Speaker 4: fifteen and watching Jeff Channis all is the Jeff Janis

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: I mean now, now it's kind of a thing. In

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Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, preseason DFS and betting was the thing. So

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Speaker 4: I have my own list of heroes of the last

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Speaker 4: few years. But a guy I definitely had the shout

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Speaker 4: out with all of this, dude as well as Fton

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Speaker 4: Hism Oh excuse me, Fton Chisholm, who decided that to

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Speaker 3: Only one year did he do anything.

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Speaker 1: I remember all of the new.

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Speaker 4: England Patriots slot wide receiver stuff and all the throwbacks

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Speaker 4: to Edelman and Welker. And he's a gamer and he's

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Speaker 4: the first guy in the last guy out like he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure thing, he's maritating, He's gonna be paid.

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Speaker 1: Stand him is showing right now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Edelman show anything for the majority of the

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna do anything this year.

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Speaker 2: Come on, fine, hey, you know, luckily players careers aren't

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Speaker 3: Some of them are though some of them are here.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't even say his name right, so I mean

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Speaker 3: I do want to say what name? It just popped

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Speaker 2: Remember the meter or like the insane boost we saw

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Speaker 3: This is like absolutely insane and then he just obviously

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Speaker 4: Oh he was on the side that was the year

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Speaker 4: Saints value guys. Yes, well he's also bounced around to

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Speaker 1: So see, I want to point out this is what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. This is what the preseason is about

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Speaker 1: to give us. Yeah, it's gonna give us hype, it's

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna get member berries. The member bury preseason

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Speaker 1: I do want to know is your best member, Barry.

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Speaker 1: In the comments below, we are going to pick one

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Speaker 1: next week's show. If you can come with a banger member,

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Speaker 1: Barry of a preseason player that just balled out and

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Speaker 1: give us more negatives than it is positives. Outside of

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Speaker 4: Due this absolutely freaking sucks. Pearsall just cannot stay healthy, man.

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Speaker 4: And it's kind of like with the PCL stuff. It's like, dude,

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Speaker 4: because I was hoping he was gonna have his breakout

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Speaker 4: I don't think that it's going to I think it's

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Speaker 4: gonna have a hard cap. Basically, if you looked at

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Speaker 3: Luckily they didn't pears highlighted in it. Yeah he was highlighted.

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Speaker 2: And again there's a lot of other options. If anything,

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Speaker 1: I mean, substation's getting just absolutely no rest here. Nick

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Speaker 4: To the point of all of this too and going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a very interesting video that was out there too,

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Speaker 4: Personally, I'll take any des Bryant analysis for a wide

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Speaker 1: Of salt, all right, You said that, not me. There

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Speaker 4: It freaking sucks, man. I mean, like when they're trying

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Speaker 4: back to like just the overall complexion of this offense,

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Speaker 4: more if Brasel is out, if he's like, let's just

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Speaker 4: That goes back to and Erics and I were joking.

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Speaker 4: that's fine. You still don't have to just bump Jaien

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Speaker 4: Like as far as if you're looking at passing volume

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Speaker 1: Actually, do you think this is another one? This is

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Speaker 1: what does that do for the Panthers offense in your mind?

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Speaker 2: So, the latest I got from Joseph Pearson is that

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Speaker 3: I think that.

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Speaker 2: It it lessens the excitement about the Panthers passing attack

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Speaker 2: because Brazil looked like a player that Okay, he is

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Speaker 2: going to be this vertical field stretcher and really opened

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Camp, Monsters, we got a couple of things I'm

434
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,400
Speaker 1: going to burn through, but one more I really want

435
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,360
Speaker 1: to touch on. Cardinals Camp has been pretty fascinating out

436
00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,680
Speaker 1: here locally, as I was actually thinking about going to it,

437
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,879
Speaker 1: but then after I made my zero to seventeen comments,

438
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe I shouldn't get any tickets to

439
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:43,880
Speaker 1: go over.

440
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,760
Speaker 3: To help have people tell you why you're wrong. Look

441
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,920
Speaker 3: at the sky at you. Finally, actually, I.

442
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,639
Speaker 1: Thought, here's the bit I thought about going to do

443
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 1: is taking a mic walking around because they do it

444
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,120
Speaker 1: in stadium because it's like one hundred and fifty two

445
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 1: degrees out here in Arizona, so you can't do it outside.

446
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,000
Speaker 1: They do it in the stadium. I was going to

447
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,480
Speaker 1: walk around and be like, how many you think the

448
00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,439
Speaker 1: Cardinals are gonna have this year? And then as soon

449
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 1: as they say anything but zero, I'll be like wrong

450
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 1: and then just walk away. But I decided not to

451
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,360
Speaker 1: do that. But the fascinating side of it was twofold

452
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love the comments right out of the first camp.

453
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 1: First off, they had Algier running with the ones. I

454
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 1: think one of the first days of Love Love is

455
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 1: like moved around with it, but he was running with

456
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,400
Speaker 1: the threes. But and then to the comments that he's

457
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 1: quote definitely a rookie. I'll also is a side throw

458
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 1: out that there's some really negative stuff about Marvin Harrison

459
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,159
Speaker 1: as well. He's dropping passes. Confidence looks really bad. You know,

460
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 1: this is the type of stuff we're getting. But that

461
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,439
Speaker 1: camp specifically has a lot of like fantasy owners and

462
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: just like people in general, just kind of tripping out

463
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 1: about like what do we do here? Ericson how much

464
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: in the world of coach speak are you buying the

465
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love is really a rookie and that Tyler or

466
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Speaker 1: that Algier takes away from George from Love this year.

467
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 2: If the Daniel Hackett has his hands in any type

468
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 2: of deployment of these players, then I have reasons to

469
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 2: be concern because he is shown at time and time

470
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: again that he's not gonna set up things the right way.

471
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 2: So I get that he's not the play caller. He's

472
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 2: still just offensive Cordier. We're still gonna see the flour.

473
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 3: Call the plays.

474
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 2: But look, when I'm on drafting fantasy teams and I

475
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 2: see in Arizona car and I'll see somebody else, I

476
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 2: always seem to gravitate towards the other player on a

477
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 2: team that I just again, we talked about it last week.

478
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 2: This team could go open seventeen. How many good fantasy

479
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 2: players can come from a team that goes own seventeen?

480
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 2: Will will go owen, we will go seventeen.

481
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,360
Speaker 1: You guys are like, so this is right.

482
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just the perfect rundown, especially when you

483
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 2: forecast in twenty twenty seven. Okay, we're gonna get finally

484
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: get tomorrow to break out because he's gonna have Archie

485
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 2: Manning throwing him the football. In twenty twenty seven, you

486
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 2: get the Archie the Manning combination. Harrison, you know, you

487
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 2: couldn't write it any better. And how do you get there?

488
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: You go open seventeen. So I think for me, it's

489
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 2: like Jeremiah Love from a season long fantasy perspective, I

490
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: do think that there's a chance he still fishes the

491
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 2: top twelve running back traditionally guys that have gone as

492
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 2: high as he's in the draft.

493
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Speaker 3: But I think it's.

494
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 2: Gonna be backloaded, and I think that's gonna be really

495
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 2: annoying to start the year and they're gonna be like, yeah,

496
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 2: I want to use alas year here, you know, before

497
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: James Connor, whether he gets cut or whatnot.

498
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it's gonna be annoying, and.

499
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 2: You're gonna want to have someone like Jeremiah Love in

500
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 2: the second half of the season when they really are

501
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: leaning more into their rookies. Again, Carson Beck might also

502
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 2: be starting, so you have to keep that in mind.

503
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 2: But Jeremih Love is as good as advertised. I think

504
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: he'll deliver in the second half. So for me, I

505
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 2: see him kind of falling in fantasy drafts, but I

506
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 2: view him more as a maybe I'll trade for him,

507
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 2: you know, as the season journals, as we start to

508
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: see this Cardinals offense actually live, that's kind of the

509
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 2: angle I'm looking at it. But yeah, I'm not optimistic

510
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: about trying to go out of my way to draft

511
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals players.

512
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 1: I mean, a good thing is when they go you know,

513
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 1: h and four, there's gonna be no reason to put

514
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 1: out guys like James Connor and elst Year and just

515
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: have Jeremiah Love, like learn when you're just one of

516
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: the worst teams. But Deebro, do you think that the

517
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love comment is overblown or do you think we

518
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: really might see him be put in more of a

519
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: muted role even into the first half of the season

520
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 1: based on the comments.

521
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 4: The Thaniel Hacket is dumb, dumb, dumb, and he's dumb enough.

522
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 3: To do this.

523
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 4: This is go draft a running back in the top

524
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 4: five of the NFL draft. He's awesome, He's a legendary talent.

525
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 4: He's gonna be elite and stuff.

526
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 3: Like that, Oh, but.

527
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 4: He's a rookie, and we're not gonna put Tyler Rozier

528
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 4: was one of the most inefficient freaking running backs in

529
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 4: the entire damn NFL last year. If you look at

530
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 4: it on a per touch basis, he was a touchdown vulture.

531
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 1: That's it.

532
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 4: What are we doing here? You're a team that goes

533
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 4: out and you draft a running back and you give

534
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 4: him like the the guaranteed money of that contract, and

535
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 4: then you're gonna like double down and say like, oh, well,

536
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 4: but he's a rookie and Tyler I was.

537
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 3: Here, then why didn't you draft him?

538
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 4: They're so freaking stupid that they.

539
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 3: That team.

540
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: Stay, bro, We've got we've got a three year plan.

541
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: You remember we were at the Canton Hall of Fame

542
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 2: and I asked, I was like Arizona Cardinals jerseys.

543
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 3: But that was one thing. The other thing is.

544
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 2: Too, is they have every team except Pat Telman shot, Oh,

545
00:23:59,200 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 2: you're going to the record.

546
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

547
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the records of like all these teams and the

548
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals or Cardinals in general, like go back like

549
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 2: the farthest right to like the nineteen fifties, even before then.

550
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: And I'm looking I'm trying to figure out because it

551
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: will like highlight these spectacular seasons, and I'm like, there

552
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: are none for the Cardinals. You just have to keep

553
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 2: going back and back and back, and these seasons just

554
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: don't exist and I'll never get It's just like this

555
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 2: is what happens, and you have bad ownership. Bad ownership

556
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: trickles down to the HighRes that you make in terms

557
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 2: of your coaching, and that reflects on the players and

558
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: the drafts, and yeah, just bad teams stay bad.

559
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: I think of the meme in my head. It's like

560
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: when you guys are talking about this with love, like

561
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: what is the idea between doing this? It's like from

562
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: thinky is it? Big Daddy'd be like, so what's the plan.

563
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: You've got a five year plan? What is it? Don't

564
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: die like that's the plan. They're like, well, we got love,

565
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: but we'll use them like next year and that's what

566
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: we'll go for it.

567
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 4: Dude, I'm old enough to remember when Nathaniel Hackett rolled

568
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 4: out Melvin Gordon over Javonte Williams in a feature role

569
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 4: for most of a season and stuff. So for everybody

570
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 4: that says that this can't happen, it won't happen. Be

571
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 4: kind of rewind. Nathaniel Hackett has done this, and he's

572
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 4: done dumbers stuff than this, So don't never say never win.

573
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: It's hack attack man. And by the way, Marvin's mentals

574
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: are bad. Now just wait till they're oh and seven.

575
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: Wait till.

576
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 4: Across the freaking middle field. Don't worry, We're gonna get

577
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: some Brian Thomas Junior yips from him over the middle

578
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 4: of the field when laying him out.

579
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: Are we are we pouring out another Year three wide

580
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: receiver break? Just are we just bearing all these players,

581
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: all the ship, Pierce all done, Harrison done.

582
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 3: No Year three breakouts to be found except Jaalen Coker.

583
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: That's the only one. That's the only one.

584
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: The key winner so far through our twenty five minutes

585
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: of recordings.

586
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: Yep, it's such a great it's such a great nickname

587
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: of that group. Just a couple other news and notes

588
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: just to blast past you. Micah Parsons is going to

589
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: be on the pup. That's a week six return, we'll see.

590
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's a little clerical in the preseason,

591
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: but he's both put on the pup. Denzel Ward and

592
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter both got some big contracts floating out there. Also,

593
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams signed a deal, which is interesting. Carter got

594
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: the four year extension one hundred and fifty two million

595
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: over on the Bucks. Baker Mayfield is expected to play

596
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: without a deal in twenty twenty six. That's been kind

597
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: of dominating camp news, while also Videvea has requested a trade.

598
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: So that's kind of trippy and the one that I

599
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: really like because I did this a couple of weeks

600
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: ago before it was popular to talk positively. But Tank

601
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: Dell was cleared in Texans camp. I tell you you

602
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: try not to buy ind all the videos you see

603
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: out there. But I saw him cutting and turning. I

604
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: thought he looked good. There's no I mean, he's best

605
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: friends with CJ. Stroud. There's just no way he was

606
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: going to fade out into the world. So even though

607
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: I'm a Colt sky Over a Texans guy and like Debro,

608
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: tank Dell being cleared, I think is huge news. And

609
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: I believe I saw Noel was hurt as well.

610
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna I was gonna tell you too,

611
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 4: Welsh to button up with that. Jalenol is dealing with

612
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 4: a finger injury. They said it could keep him out

613
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 4: a few weeks, so I'm guessing he's got a fractured finger.

614
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: Really good news for Tank Dell so just Erickson. Anything

615
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: in that you want to make is any one thing

616
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: that stands out between the Michael Parsons pup, the Baker

617
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: Mayfield playing without a deal, Tank Dell, any of those

618
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: little news and notes stand out to you.

619
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: The Mayfield one stands out to me because you always

620
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: want to bet on Mayfield when he has a fire

621
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: under his bat, Like, that's exactly who you want to

622
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 2: bet on. Whenever he's an underdog, whenever he's being counted out,

623
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: this is when he always plays his best ball. So

624
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: be higher on Baker Mayfield in any fantasy betting, et cetera. Again,

625
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily translate to wins for the Buccaneers, because

626
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: I do think they have some issues and holes. But

627
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: I think for Baker Mayfield specifically, he's someone that I

628
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: think I'm gonna actually move up in my fantasy rankings because, yeah,

629
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: I want him to be playing without a contract because

630
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,239
Speaker 2: he's gonna make everybody shove it because that's exactly what

631
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: he does. So Mayfield for me and then the Tank

632
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: Dell thing, I'll just say one about him being best

633
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: friends with c J.

634
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: Stroud. Look, c J.

635
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: Stroud's rookie year coincided with Tank Dell's really strong rookie

636
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: year as well, so I don't think that those things

637
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: are completely different. I don't know if we'll ever see

638
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: the same Tank Dell that we did see early in

639
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: his career, but the fact that Stroud will have him,

640
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: I think does matter a lot significantly.

641
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: So do you guys see.

642
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: That videos Stroud walking up to camp where it oh dude,

643
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: it was going into computer science camp, Like that was

644
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: a rough video to watch that did not look like

645
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: he looked like everybody in the millennial generation walking into

646
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: junior high school. Like I mean, just just juxtapose every

647
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: junior because.

648
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: He's all bob baby.

649
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: He's not reading his press cupies anymore, is not doing

650
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Speaker 2: the tour with Michael Parsons. He is locked and loaded

651
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Speaker 2: because he's like, I gotta get paid.

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Speaker 4: That'll do when you suck for a few seasons and

653
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Speaker 4: you stop, you know, we'll do that.

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Speaker 1: Dark Horse super Bowl candidates. That's what we want to

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Speaker 1: If you want to just make it really simple and

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Speaker 1: you want to put a Super Bowl contender in, or

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Speaker 1: if you just want to understand the landscape of the

675
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Speaker 1: NFL and like you know, where Vegas and the markets

676
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Speaker 1: are putting, you can see there are some top end teams.

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Speaker 1: The RAMS are currently at the tippy top around five

678
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Speaker 1: and a half to one, opened up around nine, but

679
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Speaker 1: obviously the moves and the potential Aaron Donald return have

680
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Speaker 1: moved them up. Buffalo is around ten to one, Baltimore's

681
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: twelve to one. You've got Seattle at twelve to one,

682
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: sixteen to one for the Kansas City Chiefs, the Chargers

683
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: around seventeen and a half, and the Eagles around eighteen.

684
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Speaker 1: So that's like your top seven in the market. That's

685
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Speaker 1: not what we're here to talk about. We're here to

686
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Speaker 1: talk about where are the big odds and the likelihood

687
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Speaker 1: of some of these quote dark horse teams that are

688
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Speaker 1: not in that top seven or eight. What is a

689
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Speaker 1: likelihood of a real Super Bowl opportunity. So I'm going

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Speaker 1: to present to you guys five teams that we've kind

691
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: of collectively, kind of worked through and agreed that these

692
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: are really good teams to hyper focus on, because duh,

693
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Speaker 1: by the way, you go down and be like, well,

694
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Speaker 1: there's Lona Cordnell's or you know, twelve billion to one,

695
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Speaker 1: It's like, that's not the reality here. The reality is

696
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Speaker 1: looking at teams that have viable opportunities to do this,

697
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Speaker 1: and we are going to start from the highest percentage

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Speaker 1: here and this is an eighteen to one Detroit Lyons team.

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Speaker 1: And Eric's I'm going to start with you because you

700
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Speaker 1: have talked about them before. We've talked a decent amount

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Speaker 1: about them. From a team at the bottom of a

702
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Speaker 1: division that's so much talent needing to break through, they

703
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: are a definite division winner, but buy or sell them

704
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Speaker 1: as a real super Bowl dark horse contender.

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Speaker 2: Buying the Detroit Lions as a super Bowl contender. They

706
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: have the easiest sale in the NFL next year twenty

707
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Speaker 2: twenty six. And when you just look at it from

708
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: a are they gonna be playing in pristine conditions or

709
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: is it going to be outdoored in windy They basically

710
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: don't ever play outside. So from weeks fifteen or five

711
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: through sixteen, they play two outside games. One of them

712
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: is in Miami in week nine, so we're gonna be

713
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: flowing with the sun. It's gonna be absolutely fantastic. And

714
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: the other day repeat that, wait, repeat that again. How

715
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Speaker 2: many out outdoor games from win to win?

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Speaker 3: From week five to week sixteen they play outside twice?

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Speaker 1: That's insane, that's insane.

718
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: It ready to pristine conditions for a very favorable schedule.

719
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Speaker 2: They should be playing with leads and the other game

720
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Speaker 2: that's outside is in Germany in Week ten and that's

721
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Speaker 2: an i'min Ros Saint Brown homecoming games.

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Speaker 3: So again I think it's my Patriots, which.

723
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Speaker 2: Sucks, but I think the Lions probably.

724
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: Gonna come away with a w. SO.

725
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: So, the Lions, again, they're benefiting from coming in last

726
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: place last year, and that's why it's really interesting because

727
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: this is what the market is expecting. Again, they're compared

728
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: to the other teams in the NFC North. Well, their

729
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: small favorites to win the NFC North despite coming in

730
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: the last place in the NFC North because the final

731
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: win loss record doesn't do a good job of really

732
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: projecting the lines moving forward, because they were one of

733
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: the most injured teams last year, specifically on the defensive

734
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: side of the football. The offensive line had a ton

735
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: of injuries in you know, losing Ben Johnson. I think

736
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: that bringing Drew Petzing is gonna be upgrade from the

737
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: offensive corner John Morton last year. You also have Dan

738
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: Campbell as a potential play calling option if things don't

739
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Speaker 2: necessarily hit the ground running under a new oc SO.

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00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: I think that the Lions are really set up here

741
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: to go from worse to first. We see this every

742
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Speaker 2: single year with teams in divisions, and by just the

743
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: way that the weird scheduling happened last year that they

744
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: came in last. I think the Lions are the should

745
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: be the favorites to win the NFC North again like

746
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: they did two years ago when they were running the table.

747
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: I think is either the number one or number two

748
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: seed in the NFC. They obviously got upset by the Commander.

749
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Speaker 2: So I like the Lions a lotalked about them on

750
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: the Betting Pro Show. I believe of taking the over

751
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: I think they're a long shot to win the NFC overall,

752
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: be the number one seed in the NFC. So yeah,

753
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: I'm buying the Detroit Lions all right.

754
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: D bro Buyer cell eighteen to one. Detroit Lions is

755
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: an actual dark horse Super Bowl contender.

756
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 4: All in on it, love it, love this call. I

757
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 4: love it from so many different parts of pieces, like

758
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 4: everything that Ericson laid out as well as right now

759
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 4: per Sharp Football, they have the easiest schedule right now

760
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: for twenty twenty six based off of projected wind totals

761
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 4: and just a ton of this stuff is lining up.

762
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: The other thing about it and Ericson you love to

763
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: point this out all the time, man, So hat tip.

764
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Speaker 4: They have been so injury depleted over the last few years.

765
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Speaker 4: Eventually this team has to run right on injuries like

766
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: nobody has run worse with their defense just getting decimated

767
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 4: year after year after year.

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Speaker 1: Well, the.

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Speaker 4: Forty nine ers can make a case, but when the

770
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 4: entire Lions like defensive line like just disintegrated over previous years,

771
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 4: the forty inn have had it bad. But I can

772
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: also say like that the Lions have had it just

773
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 4: as bad, if not worse.

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00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: Man, So you're not wrong about that, all right? So yeah, okay,

775
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: so you're by you guys are both those are kind

776
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: of easy, Buyson. So let's move to number two. Then

777
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: in Debro, we're gonna start with you, so you can

778
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: kick this one off. This is around a twenty to

779
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: one Cincinnati Bengals team. Joe Burrow's health is obviously the

780
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: key point to this. They got the wide receiver corps back.

781
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: They're kind of running a lot of that back. So

782
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: if the division looks kind of weaker than it's been

783
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: in many years, if Joe Burrow stays healthy buy or

784
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: sell the Bengals as a legitimate dark horse candidate.

785
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 4: Buying it big time, buying it, Like I think if

786
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 4: you're what if you're making I honestly think like all

787
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 4: the five teams, like right now, I'm I'm just going

788
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: to tell everybody, go out right now and bet all

789
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 4: these five teams. If you just like toss one unit

790
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: bets to all these five teams, you hit one of them,

791
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 4: it's it's it's going to make your season. So I

792
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: bet on the Bengals. Man. There's so much good stuff,

793
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: you know, the team that happens to be second as

794
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: far as easy as schedules right behind the lines, Cincinnati Bengals, Baby,

795
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 4: I mean, so we want to talk about the schedule.

796
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 4: We're going to talk about running it back with the offense.

797
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 4: We know the offense is gonna be good. Their offensive

798
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 4: line is not gonna be a road grader like top

799
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 4: five unit, but they're going to be league average and

800
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 4: at least decent. The improvements they made on the defensive

801
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 4: side of the ball this offseason were massive. Boys like

802
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: signing Boy Mafe, trading for Dexter Lawrence, bringing in Jonathan Allen.

803
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 4: Whatever they get out of Miles Murphy and Shamar Stewart

804
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 4: should be counted as a win. Plus they drafted cash.

805
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: As how, their linebackers are still got awful. I'm not

806
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 4: gonna talk good about them, but the cornerback room they are.

807
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 4: They signed Brian Cook, they had Dax Hill returning. DJ

808
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 4: Turner is one of the best shut down man cover

809
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 4: corners shadow corners in the entire damn NFL, and he

810
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 4: doesn't ever get talked about that way. But if you

811
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 4: look at the numbers last year, it is a no

812
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 4: flies along with DJ Turner.

813
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: So yes, Bengals to the Bowl.

814
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: Baby, I'm in.

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00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: All right, Ericson, I'm actually gonna loosely ask you, are

816
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: you kind of a buy on all these teams we're

817
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: going to talk about, because we can take another angle

818
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: to it if you are as straight by where we

819
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: can order these and ranked these after the fact. But

820
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: I give that to you to say buy or sell

821
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: the Bengals as a legitimate dark horse candidate.

822
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: Also buying the Cincinnati Bengals, I think that you get

823
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: a healthy Joe Burrow and you have a team that

824
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: can beat any other team in the AFC. I think

825
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: that that's not going on a limb. We've seen what

826
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: this offense can do when he's operating at the peak

827
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: of his power. As a matter of him staying healthy.

828
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: The offensive line has had its issues in the past,

829
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 2: and I know part of it is also Burrow likes

830
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: to hold onto the ball. He's like, I rather sometimes

831
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: just take a sack whatever instead of just like throwing

832
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: it away. So that does sometimes treat situations where he

833
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: takes more hits. But this has been poured out on

834
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: multiple publications. On the Athletic they talked about how this

835
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: is the first time in Joe Burrow's career that all

836
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: five starters are coming back for the offensive line, so

837
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: you're getting some cohesiveness with a unit that can grow.

838
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: And I think that we saw a Brandon Thorn, the

839
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: offensive line expert over at ETR he really talks about

840
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: how the Georgia guys that they have have those are

841
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: where you see the upside case for the Bengals offensive

842
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: line to be much more improved. Omarius Mimms stud tackle

843
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: really really young, Dylan Fairchild very very young. So if

844
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: those guys take massive leaps, now maybe the offensive line

845
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 2: goes from okay, can be average, or maybe it actually

846
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: can be a top ten fringe unit that's actually powering

847
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: this team. They're running the ball more effectively, and then

848
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the ball. I think Dexter Lawrence,

849
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: it's just I think it's kind of being undersold how

850
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: good he can be if he's healthy and ready to go,

851
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 2: like the impact that he does at all three levels,

852
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: because he's then putting every other Bengals player in a

853
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: more favorable situation. I think that he helps a lot

854
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 2: of these young defensive players that are on this roster.

855
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 2: There's a lot of talent. The Bengals have been trying

856
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: to improve their defense right, but it just hasn't worked out.

857
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: I think there is under the radar talent there. Getting

858
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: Dexter Lawrence as the leader of that room on the

859
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: defensive side where he's motivated and ready to go. I

860
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: think you're going to see this defense plays significantly better

861
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: after they were historically bad. It wasn't just bad last year.

862
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: It was oh yeah, we give up thirty points per

863
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: game every single week bad, and we have no chance

864
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: of ever getting out when Jake Browning is gonna pick

865
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Speaker 2: six every time he gets the football. So I'm all

866
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Speaker 2: about the Bengals and I don't know if this is

867
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: a positive or negative, but the fact that Zach Taylor

868
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: is the only returning head coach again going back to

869
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: there is some cohesiveness with the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a positive. But I'm willing to hear

871
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Speaker 1: the argument.

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Speaker 2: I no, no, And that's not the angle I'm trying

873
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 2: to get at. I'm just saying, like cohesiveness. Right, every

874
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: other team is doing something new. They have a new

875
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Speaker 2: head coach, they have new this, they have knew that,

876
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: and sometimes that works out. But a lot of times

877
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: the new things just crash and burn, whereas hey, we

878
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 2: were just running back the hits. Look, if Zach Taylor

879
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: gets Joe Berr healthy, And to give credit to Zach Taylor,

880
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: he did pull the plug on Jake Browning really early

881
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: last year, got Flacco and got the offense back up

882
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: in Cocin. Now, I don't know if he deserves all

883
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: that credit, but it was way more than I expected him.

884
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: I thought that once Burrough went down, I thought the

885
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: Bengals team was total crewed, and I think it wasn't

886
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 2: a smart move for them to go and get Flacco.

887
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: So I will give Zach Taylor his player Flowers in

888
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: that capacity. But besides that, yes, I would agree, he's

889
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: been mostly underwhelming by the.

890
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Speaker 1: Way, uh deebro just shared this literally just more timeline.

891
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: Shamar Stewart was just carted off the fields on Wednesday.

892
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: So that's not the best thing then.

893
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: No, But at least the good thing for them is

894
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 4: they've added so much depth. They like he was a

895
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: wild card. They weren't counting on him to be like

896
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: an every down starter anyway, so at least you know,

897
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Speaker 4: it's a depth hit.

898
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Speaker 1: But Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna pair these two together

899
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Speaker 1: because I think they're close, and you guys have to

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Speaker 1: pick one that you want to buy on. It would

901
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: have been better if I would have done this with

902
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Speaker 1: the Bengals in this next team, but we're gonna go

903
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Speaker 1: with the Denver Broncos dark horse number three at twenty

904
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Speaker 1: to one, so they're the same as the Bengals, and

905
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Speaker 1: then I'm gonna pair that with the Cowboys, who are

906
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Speaker 1: twenty five to one. Again. Health plays a huge role

907
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: in for the Cowboys, clearly the Denver Broncos and what

908
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: bo Nicks did, and you know, I mean I should

909
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Speaker 1: also probably say health, but bringing in Jaln Waddle well

910
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: Ericson will start with you on this one. You've got

911
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: the Broncos and you've got the Cowboys. Twenty to one

912
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Speaker 1: for the Broncos, twenty five for the Cowboys. Which of

913
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Speaker 1: these two is the dark horse that you would buy?

914
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Speaker 2: I am going with the Cowboys. I mean, who rides

915
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Speaker 2: the do? I want to beat the horse over with

916
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Speaker 2: the one riding the horse.

917
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Speaker 3: I'm the rider. Baby. Let's go Dallas Cowboys. That's what

918
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Speaker 3: Jerry Jones joke in here somewhere.

919
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Speaker 2: Look, the Cowboys are traditionally the most hyped up offseason

920
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Speaker 2: team every single year. And I'm probably just falling hook

921
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: line and sinker for this when you look at them

922
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: on paper, because they always build really strong rosters and

923
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 2: then just end up running into some type of issue.

924
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott gets hurt every other year. Whether that happens again,

925
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: then hey, so be it. It will let it beat me.

926
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Speaker 2: But similar to the Cincinnati Bengals, what if they have

927
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: an average defense and I think they've put the person

928
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Speaker 2: out they were doing it last year? Right, when you

929
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: trade Micah Parsons away before the season starts, Yeah, of

930
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: course your defense is gonna be terrible because there.

931
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Speaker 3: Was no off ramp plan.

932
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: It was okay, well, Dak get ready to throw or

933
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Speaker 2: post thirty per game, or else we're not gonna win

934
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: any of these contests. So I think that the defense

935
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: is gonna be much better set up. Getting Quinnon Williams back.

936
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Speaker 2: We saw him have an impact in the second half

937
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: of last year. Where Dallas's defense. I remember talking about

938
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Speaker 2: a lot of the betting shows where hey, this Dallas

939
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: defense is not as bad as it once was to

940
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Speaker 2: start the year. Getting Schevon Ravel back, a guy they

941
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: drafted two years ago. He was coming off an ACL

942
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: injury entering his second season. Now he's fully healthy and

943
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: ready to go. So I think that with the cornerback position,

944
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: they are seeing upgrades the secondary. They actually have formidable

945
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: safeties now that can actually protect the back end. So

946
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: they're just not giving up chunk play. After chunk played,

947
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: the Cowboys made the playoffs with three straight seasons when

948
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: they had a top ten scoring defense and they averaged

949
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: twelve wins per season. Last year, they led the NFL

950
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: and pressure rate, but they finished second worst interceptions and

951
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: below average in total sacks. So I think there's a

952
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 2: lot of regression that's going to work positively for them

953
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: on the defensive side of the football, and with Dak Prescott. Yes,

954
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 2: I do think that the schedule is gonna be tougher

955
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: for them as well. Last year it was really good

956
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: for this offense to just absolutely cook. So I don't

957
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 2: think that their offense will be as good in terms

958
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: of just like raw counting points in terms of how

959
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: many completions, how many yards Toack will throw for. But

960
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: there's no reason to think that he's not gonna still

961
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: be really efficient with the weapons that he has between Lamb,

962
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: George Pickens, Fergus and Gavonte Williams after a bounce back year.

963
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 3: So I like the Dallas Cowboys a lot.

964
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna flip out one

965
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: thing here. Erickson has picked the Dallas Cowboys of the

966
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. Deebro, I'm not going to talk about the

967
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: dark horse of the Denver Broncos of the Dallas Cowboys.

968
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: I am gonna throw the last one on this list

969
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:36,479
Speaker 1: because this last team was for you. At eighty to one,

970
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: I believe is the number the New Orleans Saints. You

971
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: came on here and said they could have an efficient

972
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: rams type of offense they could explode through. They can

973
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: win the division. But are they a legitimate super Bowl

974
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: dark horse candidate debro yay or nay.

975
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 4: I think they can be. I absolutely think they can be.

976
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 4: Like looking at not only their schedule, looking at the

977
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 4: division around them. I mean it's really the Buccaneers, Like,

978
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about the Panthers and the Falcons threatening them.

979
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 4: So they can take their division. If somehow they can,

980
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: you know, win enough team, win enough games and get

981
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 4: a first round. By then we're that much closer to

982
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 4: the super Bowl.

983
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: Man. And we see this.

984
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 4: Year after year, like with all the offseason moves that

985
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 4: the Saints did, Like they brought in Caden Noll Withstravitcian

986
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: David Edwards to an already like solid offensive line. If

987
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 4: that Jael's early this could be a top ten unit

988
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 4: this year, bringing in Christen Miller, Jordan Tyson, Bryce Lance

989
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: Oscar deal more weapons for Tyler Schuck in his second season.

990
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 4: And we saw them close hot last year man Like

991
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: weeks fourteen through eighteen, they closed the four and one

992
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 4: record twenty four point eight points per game that have

993
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 4: been top twelve offense and Kellen Moore. I think like

994
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 4: a lot of the luster for him is kind of

995
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 4: like he's lost the shine. But I'm like, he's still

996
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 4: the same guy that we were talking about over like

997
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: the last few years as being like a rising, hot

998
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: shot young coach. It's just like the luster kind of

999
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 4: like went off of him and everybody's like, Oh, well,

1000
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 4: that's not the guy now. It's like, no, he's still

1001
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 4: a really freaking good coach. We saw this with the

1002
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: Eagles before going to the Saints. I think they can

1003
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 4: be in this conversation, and I know people just think,

1004
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 4: like I'm just being a goofy homer, but like, what

1005
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 4: was everybody saying about the Patriots last year? What were

1006
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 4: the conversations, Oh, they got a crazy easy schedule, blah

1007
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 4: blah blah, they ran it all the way to the

1008
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 4: freaking Super Bowl, man. So yes, I'm in on the

1009
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 4: Saints and just to toss some love here, man, Like,

1010
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 4: I think it's insane, honestly that the Broncos are plus

1011
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 4: two thousand for the Super Bowl for a team that

1012
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 4: if they had Bo Nicks and didn't have Jared's Didham,

1013
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 4: they would have probably been in the Super Bowl over

1014
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 4: the freaking Patriots and maybe would have beat the damn Seahawks.

1015
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: So the fact that they're on the outside looking in,

1016
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 4: they still have a stacked roster. They added Jalen Waddle

1017
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 4: this offseason. They were clear like the betting odds are

1018
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 4: wrong on them for the Super Bowl.

1019
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got the Lions, the Bengals, the Broncos,

1020
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and the Saints our five favorite dark horse

1021
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Speaker 1: super Bowl candidates. Bro, you can only have one. I

1022
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: was gonna say, don't you dare say the Broncos are

1023
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: Cowboys after I didn't even let you talk on them,

1024
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,040
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Speaker 1: these five dark horses are you going with? Lions? Ericson

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Speaker 1: same thing? Of these five Lions, Bengals, Broncos, Cowboys, Saints

1029
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: Angles Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that was my second choice. That was my second choice.

1031
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Speaker 1: Yep, all right, you guys are locked in Bengals and

1032
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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing here. That's gonna do it for

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Speaker 1: the tailgate. They're calling us, calling us in it's deepro,

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Speaker 1: it's Ericson, I'm Welsh. Thank you guys so much for

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Speaker 1: hanging out with us. Until next time, peace Out.