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Speaker 1: Let me love the.

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Speaker 2: Game.

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Speaker 1: It presents conversations with a legend, best up show. And

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Speaker 1: now here's LeVar Arrington. All right now, this is a

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Speaker 1: special one right here.

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Speaker 3: This guy, he's the Ohio State Buck Guy, could possibly

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Speaker 3: be the greatest buck guy of them all.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: We got a man Hall of Famer Orlando Pace on

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Speaker 3: the up on game presents conversations with a legend.

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Speaker 1: What is happening, my guy?

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Le bar Man?

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Speaker 4: It's been a long time, man, See you get to

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Speaker 4: talk to you obviously. You know we got a history

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Speaker 4: going way back to our Penn State days.

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Speaker 2: Indeed indeed in our in our NFL days. Man, there's

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Speaker 2: a pleasure to be on it in joining you on

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Speaker 2: your on your podcast.

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Speaker 3: Man, I appreciate you coming on. And this wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: conversations with a legend without talking to some true legends.

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Speaker 3: So from Ohio went to Sandusky High one of the

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Speaker 3: greats to ever do it out of the state, end

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Speaker 3: up doing it at Ohio State. First freshman, I believe

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Speaker 3: to start true freshmen and just an epic storybook career,

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Speaker 3: and so many great things happen to you. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: touch on those things, but first, being a serial entrepreneur,

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Speaker 3: you understand the value of what it takes to tell

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Speaker 3: the story, how that plays a part, and your customers

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Speaker 3: and building building the business and building the brand. So

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Speaker 3: when you think about branding, how important is that to you?

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Speaker 3: And do you relate how you branded yourself? Because there's

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Speaker 3: very few that I was able to brand themselves the

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Speaker 3: way that you did as Alignment. People may not realize

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Speaker 3: how hard that is to make yourself a household brand

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Speaker 3: when you play line and you did it, like people

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Speaker 3: know the name Orlando Pace, Old Pace pancake Man, they.

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Speaker 2: Know who you are.

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Speaker 3: How important was it for you in college or coming

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Speaker 1: How important was branding to you? Were you aware of it? Like,

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Speaker 2: Well? For me, for me, it was being alignment.

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Speaker 4: As you know, we don't get a lot of credibility

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Speaker 4: I wanted to stand out. So in college, you know,

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Speaker 4: obviously I wanted to do things where announcers can talk

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Speaker 4: And that was sort of the branding aspect of it,

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Speaker 4: and they're talking about Heisman and all these different things,

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Speaker 4: to be honest with you just to carry that on

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Speaker 4: to the NF Well, people recognize who you are. And

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Speaker 4: there's so many things that we do that we've done

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Speaker 4: when I when I take a meeting, people already know

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Speaker 4: So now I'm not only am I selling myself, I'm

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Speaker 4: If somebody goes back and says, hey, let's see what

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Speaker 4: want that to be consistent throughout. So in business, people

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Speaker 3: Speaking of businesses and you have businesses and taking business meetings.

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Speaker 1: The nil. Yeah, if the naming image likeness game was

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Speaker 4: Man, I'll be running to the bank cashing checks if

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Speaker 4: But you know, these guys are these guys are in

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Speaker 4: you got to pay Uncle Sam.

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Speaker 2: But obviously I wish I wish I would have been

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Speaker 4: I remember walking around in college and walking through in Columbus,

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Speaker 4: and I'm wondering to myself, who's getting this money? Where

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Speaker 2: LeVar. That's the problem.

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Speaker 4: When you're getting that kind of money, do you still

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Speaker 4: have that hunger and passion to go on to in

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Speaker 2: But it would have been great for me. I can't

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Speaker 4: It would have been awesome to receive some funds and

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Speaker 2: While I was in.

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Speaker 1: College, would you would you now? You came out early? Right?

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Speaker 3: I did you would you have stayed if if, if

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Speaker 4: I think all things being the same, I always say this,

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Speaker 4: if somebody could have promised me, even in this current state,

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Speaker 2: We were broke. I think you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: So you know, somebody say, hey, man, you're you're good

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Speaker 4: me higher now, So I probably would have taken off anyway.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I think the NIL would at least

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Speaker 3: Sure, sure, all right, now you mentioned staying hungry and

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Speaker 3: staying like true to it even though you're collecting a check.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a vivid moment in your life growing

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Speaker 3: a defining moment. Was it a place? Was it a

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Speaker 4: I do, Man, to be honest with you, I remember

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Speaker 4: I was getting recruited by Ohio State and I was

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Speaker 4: Honest with you, that was the first time I seen

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Speaker 4: the things in the big Smalls talked about in this

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Speaker 4: He was he was only twenty one years old, and

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Speaker 2: Whole Like, hey, ain't nobody gonna stop me on this deal.

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Speaker 4: So when I walked on the field, I really took

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Speaker 2: So that hung her when I saw young he you know, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, I said, man, hold on this, This changed my

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Speaker 4: Ohio State's gonna provide me this platform to show my skill. Man, Man,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, just that it's funny, just that one experience

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Speaker 3: Man, Wow, that's pretty dope. And I played with with

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean yeah, he had a white he had

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Speaker 2: Man. I was like, man, this is this is this

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Speaker 4: I'm an I'm an eighteen year old kid from a

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Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, now I got I got to get

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 2: That changed my whole my whole thought process.

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Speaker 1: I know that's right.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So that got you going and you was percolating.

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Speaker 3: And if I told you right now that as soon

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Speaker 3: And I said to you, old Pace, money's going to

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Speaker 2: Now, you know what. I was one of those guys.

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Speaker 2: I was really fortunate.

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Speaker 4: Although I wanted my dream, ultimate dream was to be

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Speaker 4: I was up to your point, I've always been a

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Speaker 4: serial entrepreneur, but I've also always been enamored with generational

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Speaker 4: So I knew where I wanted to be, and I'll

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Speaker 4: So obviously, and people say, I remember saying this, Are

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Speaker 2: Man? That's why you made it? Right? But it's a

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Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, so I'm gonna hit you with it.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: And so here's here, here's my here's why I leave

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Speaker 4: You know what Levar's easy people could always go back

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Speaker 4: And then now post football, it's about the relationships and

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? He was He was a

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Speaker 4: You know, obviously the older we get, those relationships become

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Speaker 1: Awesome man, it's beautiful man. This is Orlando Pace. Y'all,

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Speaker 1: the great, the goat, the.

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Speaker 5: Go go himself, come on, go himself, Super Bowl, tam

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Speaker 3: What an amazing career, but even more so, what a

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 3: Always stuff to you and admire the things that you

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I appreciate it. Man.

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Speaker 1: Man, that's Orlando Pace. This is up.

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Speaker 3: All Game presents Conversations with a legend. I'm LeVar Arrington.

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Speaker 3: That's the Goat, and this is our Hey, this is

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Speaker 3: an episode.

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Speaker 1: It's a rap. There's nothing else to be said. That's okay.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch y'all next time.