1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Nori and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Heart Media and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: I'll sit back, please and enjoy Strange Things with Joshua P. Warren. 7 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: Get ready to be amazed by the wizard of Weird. 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: This is Strange Things with Joshua Wren. I am Joshua P. Warren, 9 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: and each week on this show, I'll be bringing you 10 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: grand new mind blowing contents, news exercises, and weird experiments 11 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: you can do at home, and a lot more. And 12 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: on this edition of the show, Bizarre Occult Experiences. You know, 13 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: there's a difference between the word occult and cult, right, 14 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: Occult simply means hidden, secret, beyond view. When people talk 15 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: about a cult, they are talking about usually a group 16 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: of individuals that have some kind of agenda. Now we're 17 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: talking about the occult, the hidden, the mysterious, and in fact, 18 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: soon on the show you will hear me having a 19 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: conversation with the chief occult researcher for my Haunted Asheville 20 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: Ghost Tours in Asheville, North Carolina investigator Tad McDivitt, and, boy, 21 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: are we going to get into some weird stories. Let 22 00:01:54,560 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: me tell you about some of the strange things connected 23 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:06,919 Speaker 1: to my Asheville Mystery Museum that I created and operated 24 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: for over ten years. Uh. We had to close it 25 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 1: down in early because it was located in the basement 26 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: of the Asheville Masonic Temple, a glorious but very old 27 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: building that was having constant problems with flooding, and it 28 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: was damaging a lot of stuff in the basement, and 29 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: so it's undergoing renovations that we had to clear everything 30 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: out of there, and at some point my collection will 31 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: indeed be displayed somewhere else. In fact, I have a 32 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: really interesting update for you on this show about something 33 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: that I recently had shipped to my house that is 34 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: so valuable to me. I I've never actually put it 35 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: on public display. It's possibly the most haunted item that 36 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: I have. But my Asheville Mystery Museum was originally in 37 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: a small jail building right there in downtown Asheville, blow 38 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: A Hill, and it was part of a property that 39 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: is now a restaurant called Pack's Tavern, and I want 40 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: to share this story with you because all the years 41 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: that I've been doing paranormal investigation, I have heard some 42 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: pretty weird stuff. And usually when some kind of a 43 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: ghostly encounter happens, um it doesn't all tie together as 44 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: neatly as a traditional campfire story, but it sure does 45 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: in this case. You see this old jail building which 46 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: was right outside where the old gallows where where people 47 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: were being hanged. It was frequently, frequently the topic of 48 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: ghostly experiences in town. I myself got snowed in there 49 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: one night. I was sleeping by myself and I was 50 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: awakened about two o'clock in the morning when some very 51 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: strong hands pulled my covering off of my body. In 52 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: that particular case, my covering was a big old wool 53 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: trench coat. I could go on and on telling you 54 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: stories about the place, but here's my favorite one. Listen 55 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 1: to this, Okay, I swear to you what I'm about 56 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: to tell you is true, hand on a stack of bibles. 57 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: So one of the ladies who worked with me there 58 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: was named Cat, and Cat was certainly a paranormalist. She 59 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: was always into strange things, but she was not the 60 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: type of person who would report something paranormal unless it 61 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: really happened. Okay, her imagination wasn't that out of control. 62 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: And she was there working by herself at the museum 63 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: one cold January day. As a matter of fact, it 64 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: was January twenty three of two thousand eleven, and she 65 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: called me around six pm. I was at home that day, 66 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: and Cat was freaking out. She said that there was 67 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: nobody else in the entire building. There was no sign 68 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: of anybody even around the building. She was walking through 69 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: some of the rooms and at one point she turned 70 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: a corner and she ran smack dab into a big, tall, dark, 71 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: solid form of a man. I mean instantly, you know 72 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: it was. She was shocked because she thought, I guess 73 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 1: somebody must have quietly slipped in here and I didn't 74 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: notice it. And then as soon as she realized this big, 75 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: dark figure of a man was there in front of her, 76 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: it just disappeared in the blink of an eye. It 77 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: rattled her so much that she immediately was like, oh 78 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: my god, you know, I'm out of here. And so 79 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 1: she closed up the museum and told me, I don't 80 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: know what I experienced, but it had to be some 81 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: kind of a ghost. There's no evidence anybody came into 82 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: the building. So I said, okay, well that's pretty extreme, 83 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, as a report from Cat, we'll get a 84 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: load of this. About three hours later, I received a 85 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: phone call from Vance Pollock. And Vance is a man 86 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: I've known for a long long time. He is I believe, 87 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: the very best forensic historian in the world. And at 88 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: some point I'm sure I'll have Vance on this show, 89 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: and Goodness knows the stories will dig into. Advance is 90 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: always out there looking up old documents and archives, and 91 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: he has this incredible synchronistic knack for coming across interesting information. 92 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: So Vance had been researching the history of the property, 93 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: and he knew absolutely nothing about Cat's experience. And yet 94 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: he called me on the phone to say, Josh, guess 95 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: what I just found out something that I think is 96 00:06:55,440 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: going to amaze you. He said, I just learned that 97 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: a former Buckham County sheriff, because Asheville is located in 98 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: Buncolm County, a former Buckham County not a sheriff's deputy, 99 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: a very well known sheriff named John Liarley, who is 100 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: a prominent figure in Asheville in the early nineteen hundreds, 101 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: and also had a very bad reputation, by the way, 102 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: for being an extremely violent man. He said John Liarlely, 103 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: Sheriff Liarley, committed suicide in our old jail museum building. 104 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: He was apparently, according to a news article that Vance 105 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: sent me, he was distraught over the death of his 106 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: wife from a recent illness, and so Sheriff Liarley went 107 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: into our building and he took his service revolver and 108 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: put a bullet in his head. And shortly thereafter he 109 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: was discovered by some other officers, and John Liarley had 110 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: killed himself on are you ready for it? That exact 111 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: same day, January twenty three of nineteen twenty four, exactly 112 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: eighty seven years before that day, none of us knew 113 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: anything about that, And yet that evening, around five or 114 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: six pm, Cat had walked into what was obviously in 115 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: retrospect the anniversary ghost of Sheriff John Liarley. Now can 116 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: you imagine being in my position, So I'm sort of 117 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: the center of all this activity, where I get this 118 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: call from Cat telling me I just had this experience, 119 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, I guess there's a ghost. And 120 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: then three hours later, vance the historian calls me, knowing 121 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: nothing about this, and tells me, oh, this is the 122 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: anniversary of when this prominent figure killed himself in the building. 123 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: Do you think that as a coincidence? I mean, honestly, 124 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: does that seem like a coincidence to you? Well, it 125 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: certainly does not to me. I feel quite confident that 126 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: this is one of those events that should prove that 127 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: ghostly phenomena is real and that there is something to 128 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: these cycles two anniversaries. There is meaning behind all of this. 129 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: And that's one of my favorite stories because again, it 130 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: all comes together so neatly that it's just like, uh, 131 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: it's like something that was made up in a work 132 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: of fiction. But it's true. It's true. And you know 133 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: what we said, We're gonna be ready next year on 134 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: the anniversary to see if we can capture his spirit. 135 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: The following year, on January, we were there in the building, 136 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: had our equipment set up, we were ready to go, 137 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: and we did have some strange electro magnetic fluctuations. We 138 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: got some odd misty pictures here and there, but we 139 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: didn't get a full bodied apparition. But I I feel 140 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: sure that he might have been just around the corner. 141 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: You know, there were a number of rooms there, and uh, 142 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: that is that's an example of why you can sort of, 143 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: if you have enough data, look for patterns and correlations 144 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: that might lead you to have a better understanding of 145 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: when something ghostly is going to materialize. So Tad mcdibbott, 146 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: Tad mcdibbott, d I v I T t the chief 147 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: occult researcher for Haunted Ashville. As a guy I've known 148 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: for oh at least fifteen years. Uh, he has devoted 149 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: his entire life to all things mysterious, ghosts, magic, UFOs, cryptids, arcane, rituals, 150 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: you name it. Okay, He's published books, He's been on 151 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: numerous TV and radio programs. He has personally met and 152 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: given weird tours to hundreds of people, actually, make that 153 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: thousands of people from around the world. And I always 154 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: go down a weird and wonderful rabbit hole when we 155 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: start talking about the unexplained. So I'm I called up 156 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: Tad the other day to get an update on how 157 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: things are going with him, and we started talking about 158 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: some of the weird things that he has experienced throughout 159 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: his life, and I felt, you know what, this is 160 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: a good time to share some of this with those 161 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: of you who listen to this podcast, because I mean, uh, 162 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: not only were gonna talk about sort of how he 163 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: got into this and what occult research really is, but 164 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: also he had a very bizarre experience with a creature, 165 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: a creature something I kind of preachure I bet you've 166 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: never heard of before, in a stream in the mountains 167 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: of West to North Carolina. 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Don't let concerns get in your way. Talk 198 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: to a doctor or other medical professional to learn more 199 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: about the best cancer testing options for you. This is 200 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: George Norri and you're listening to the New y Heart 201 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: Media and Coast to Coast A and Paranormal podcast Network, 202 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: heard on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or 203 00:14:34,360 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: wherever you find your favorite shows. Welcome back to Strange 204 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: Things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 205 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: a AM para Normal podcast Network. I am your host, 206 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: the Wizard of Weird. Be me into your wormhole brain 207 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where 208 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: every day is golden and every night is silver. And yes, 209 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: I just recently talked to investigator Tad mcdivott, the chief 210 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: occult researcher for my Haunted Asheville Ghost Stores in Asheville, 211 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: North Carolina that have been around for gosh over twenty 212 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: five years now. At this point, I guess that's amazing, 213 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: and uh, you're going to be I'm sure quite intrigued 214 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: with some of his bizarre experiences. And so, you know, 215 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: I started simply enough by just saying, Dad, tell everybody 216 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: what got you into us? Died in the occult and 217 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: the paranormal. And here's what he said that the easiest 218 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: one to explain is the academic side. When I was 219 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: studying Latin, I was also in eighth grade, huge fantasy head, 220 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: you know, Lord of the Rings, kid playing a lot 221 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: of D and D, you know, just gobbling up like 222 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: Clash of the Titans and those classics fantasy eighties stuff. 223 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: And it was in Latin Plants that it just kind 224 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: of dawned on me like this huge bomb that all 225 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: of the stuff, all of the myths, all of the legends, 226 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: from all of the saints, the stereotypes and tropes, they 227 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: oh come from somebody's serious religion at some point in 228 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: human history. We like to liberally use the term fairy 229 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: tale to describe that which cannot exist. But on the 230 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: other time, the end of it, there's entire sweats of 231 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: even modern European culture that believes these spirit entities actually 232 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: do exist. You know. It's it all comes down to 233 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: this weird language barrier, um. And that's the real that's 234 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: the real challenge of it is the fact that when 235 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: you're dealing with this this kind of thing, every culture 236 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: believes in spirits when you go far back in US 237 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: in one form or another, you know, um. But all 238 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: the different cultures and languages have different words for them. 239 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: So the big question here is are they talking about 240 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: the same things in using different terms, or are these 241 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: technically different kind of spirit. Okay, you told me a 242 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: story one time that is really eriem bizarre about what 243 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: you witnessing, a serpent like creature. And I don't know 244 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 1: if if we can put this in the realm of 245 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: um crypto zoology, or if this is some kind of 246 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: an elemental spiritual thing that you saw. So let's just 247 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 1: hear that story and let's dissect it and figure out 248 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: what the heck happened here? Okay, UM, Because now that 249 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: we're like on record, I can I'm going to voice 250 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: some of my personal opinions because I tell the story 251 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: a lot, but I don't often totally embellished what I think. UM. 252 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: But it's happened very shortly after I moved to Asheville. 253 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: We're talking, n UM. I was fourteen years old. Um. 254 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: We lived in especially a little bit of background. UM. 255 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: I just moved to Asheville from Culpepper, Virginia. Uh. And 256 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: to kind of add to it, you know, a move 257 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: is stressful enough, and being fourteen and going through puberty 258 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: is rough enough. But also my parents divorce right while 259 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: I'm going through this transition to so we get to 260 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: Asheville and it's just me, my dad, and my brother. UM, 261 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: my mom has moved on, and so I'm like in 262 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: any emotional terrible state the best way to put it. 263 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: And my father, when you move to Asheville, you know, 264 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: what do the locals do? And one of the things 265 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: that the locals do in Asheville as you go up 266 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Um. So he would take 267 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: us to check out the Blue Ridge Parkway and he 268 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: would take us to a place UM called Graveyard Fields, 269 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: which would end up being a significant place for me 270 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: where a number of weird paranormal events have happened. Um. 271 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: And it's this beautiful camping area that has an upper 272 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: and lower falls and water coming through it. And we're 273 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: there with my little brother who is seven and I'm fourteen, 274 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: and my dad. We kind of clambered down to the 275 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: lower falls and my brother is playing close to the water, 276 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: and my father obviously is paying a little bit more 277 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: attention to the seven year old close to the water 278 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: than he is fourteen year old. So I take the 279 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to get away from my family because that's where 280 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: my head space is, and I start firming the water 281 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: going southward. Well, I walk for I don't know what 282 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: seems to me maybe half an hour or forty five minutes, 283 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: and I get to a point in the water where 284 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: it opens wide prolest ten feet wine and deep, and 285 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: that's like, in fact, feelands that are been hiking on 286 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: fresh mountain water streams. There's a point where you can't 287 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: tell how deep it is because it's all shadow. So 288 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: I sit down with my back against a tree, and 289 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm just fishing and griping and honestly trying a little 290 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: bit because I'm just hot mess and I don't know 291 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: what's going on now. While I'm sitting there. It's when 292 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: at first I thought were branches moving, and this head 293 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: tops out of the water looking at me, and it 294 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: is a It's so hard to explain because I don't 295 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: have any physical references on the radio, but I will 296 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: do my best to describe the dimensions. A serpent head 297 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: that's about four ft long three see wide, and that's 298 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: just the side of the head, but also there are 299 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: what kind of looks like wood anglery branches on its 300 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: head just pops out of the water and stared at me, 301 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: and I freeze in a panic, and I just stare 302 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: for a few seconds. It went back down in the 303 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: water and I jack rabbit out of there freaked out. 304 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: I can't say how many people have these kinds of 305 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: paranormal experiences. But after something like that, you attempt to 306 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: reconcile what you experienced. Who I started doing research, you know, 307 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: firstly on some new dash there anything about the area, 308 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: and you know, you start with local herpetology, and the 309 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: hell said that they should have a sign if there's 310 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: a big, huge you know, I don't know what you 311 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: look like. And the only thing I would find is 312 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: a reference to a Cherokee mis the theological figure that 313 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: is a horn serpent, and the Cherokee has stories about 314 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: it appearing in that area. Um. The creature is called 315 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: the hook tenna stelled u t a e t n 316 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: a um. Now that is the flat up as as 317 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: as if I were talking to a cop what I 318 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: experienced part not. Let me give you the over the 319 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: years experiences. First off, that thing has shown up in 320 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: more than a fair share number of my dreams over 321 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: the year. According to the Cherokee lore, it is a 322 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: a water elemental spirit that's kind of an animistic embodiment 323 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: of secrets and mystery. In fact, there's an old charity 324 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 1: term that as I was describing the when you can't 325 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: see the bottom of the stream. When the Cherokees phrases 326 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: that's where the accenta goes, and that I can't see 327 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: it is the symbolism for the enshronement of the secret 328 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: in the mystery. You know, here's an interesting thing for 329 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: us to to dig into, because it seems like that 330 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: someone who is say a hunter his whole life, who 331 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: just goes out and he's shooting deer and rabbits and 332 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: squirrels and turkeys, he sees a bigfoot. Then that bigfoot 333 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: seems so solid and real to him that he can't 334 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: imagine it being anything that he would call a spirit 335 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: or an interdimential thing, because he imagines that to mean 336 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: that it's some kind of you know, translucent, ephemeral, whispy thing. 337 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: On the other hand, you have people who are into 338 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: u the spirit world, and they believe that every time 339 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: they see some weird creature, they can't explain it's some 340 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: kind of spirit, you know that look at a firefly 341 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: and say it's a fairy or whatever. And so you 342 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: and I are able to look at it from both 343 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: points of view because the reality is, it seems to 344 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: me that there may be beings out there which can 345 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: slip back and forth between the physical and non physical. 346 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: And so when you see one of these creatures, it 347 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: is absolutely physical and solid to you, but then all 348 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: of a sudden it's gone anymore. And so it's it's 349 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: like that, you know, these beings can slip back and forth, 350 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: and and there are you know, the European traditions, I believe, 351 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: are a little more open minded about that than than 352 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: how we view it here in America. How would you 353 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 1: describe that relationship between the physicality of beings and and 354 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: how we describe them in our lore. There is a 355 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: kind of I'm gonna flip flop in first, you know, 356 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: use a little bit of old religion language, but also 357 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: use modern science language, because I think they're both kind 358 00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: of been spiraling around the same idea. That and the 359 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: old spirit Victorian spiritualism especially, um they really believe that 360 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: there was this veil or like a curtain, a barrier 361 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: that separates statistical and spiritual. And I think possibly what 362 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about is something that can punch through that veil, 363 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: but not on a permanent basis, if that makes sense. 364 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: And eventually to kind of explain the constant effect of 365 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: it is that I think that it can punch through 366 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: that veil for whatever motivation, and I think it actually 367 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: requires a considerable amount of expenditure of energy and efforts 368 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: for that spirit to do that. But once they get here, 369 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: their time here is kind of limited because the nature 370 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,719 Speaker 1: of here doesn't permit such mystical things. So the veil's 371 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: gonna wrap around him and pull him back. Yeah, in 372 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: rather short order, I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to 373 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: strange things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 374 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: a m paranormal podcast network, and Tad has some surprising 375 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: info on tarot cards. When I come right back. Hey, 376 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: the Coast to Coast on YouTube channel Channe go to 377 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast am dot com for more information. Every 378 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: eight minutes, the American Red Cross banks help and hope 379 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: to people in need. 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Warren. 388 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio 389 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast a am para normal podcast Network. 390 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: It's the show where the unusual becomes usual. I'm your host, 391 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: the Wizard of Where, Joshua Pete Warren. And now here 392 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: is more of my recent conversation with the chief occult 393 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: researcher for Haunted Asheville investigator, Tad McDivitt. You know, Um, 394 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: of all the things that you have researched, one that 395 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: um you seem to dig quite deeply in was the 396 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: meaning behind the tarot deck. And UM, you know what's 397 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: funny is that most people are familiar with the tarot, 398 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: but they don't really know the history of what the 399 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: symbol mean. What can you tell somebody about the taro 400 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: deck that would sort of open their eyes? First off, 401 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of misinformation about where it came from. Uh, 402 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: especially in American circles. Uh there's stories that they're come 403 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: from the Romani, which are not true. Um, stories that 404 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,719 Speaker 1: they come from Satanism and Richcraft, and there was ansel 405 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: posts that claims that, but anti possibly that's not true. Um. 406 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: First off, anyone who's familiar with the tarot, notice that 407 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: there's a major in the minor ar kind of and 408 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: the major arcana came about that injuries before the minor 409 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: arcana did. And that's when thing worth noting and what 410 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: I think they're in original and intention and what culture 411 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: actually created them. They are ancient Shuism and they were 412 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: used as flash cards for education. The cards of the 413 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: major arcana correlate to the letters of the Hebrew language. 414 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: So so what is the difference between major arcana and 415 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: minor arcana. Oh, the major arcana are kind of almost 416 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: like archetype symbolisms. Okay, they are, the best way I 417 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: could put it, the characters of the story. If the 418 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: carrot spread as a story. The minor arcana are the 419 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: plot details of the story, and that's probably the easiest 420 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: way to distinguish them. Okay. So the major ones were 421 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: flash cards, so to speak, to teach detally, I think 422 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: they were. I think they were used to um teach 423 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: the letters literacy and early Hebrew mathematics. Is I think 424 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: what they were original intention were and what makes you 425 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: think of that? Um, you can jump down this rabbit 426 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: hole of cobolistic correlation and really be two ancient Judaism mysticism. 427 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: There are twenty four major arcana. There are twenty four 428 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: letters of the Hebrew language. It was all prototype of education. 429 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: When you're looking at that chart of the tree of life, 430 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: that's actually math and letters for ancient ancient Judaism. One 431 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: through ten was their math set. It's the circles of 432 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: the separa and then the four interconnectors would of twenty 433 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: four letters of their language, and hence knowledge, letters, numbers. 434 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: Knowledge and the card were overflection and because they realized, 435 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, repetition and symbolic pictures made these things click 436 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: in their heads better. And so originally I think these 437 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: cards were flash cards for learning masks, or at least 438 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: the original error Jewish prototype of it, which is one 439 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: through ten zero doesn't really exist as an abstract idea yet. 440 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: But also the letters of their language is all taught 441 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: through these flash cards, and so the minor arcana number 442 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: themselves from one through ten for the same reason you 443 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: have this deck and in it for all these symbolic 444 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: correlations to the letters of their language and the numbers 445 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: that they use. And hence you had what was in 446 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: a pocket deck of cards, an ancient tribal textbook. And 447 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: so if someone sits down and gets a good, valid 448 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: tarot card reading, Um, do you do you think that 449 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: it actually can tell something about the future? And if so, 450 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: how does that process work? According to the lore, Solomon 451 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: is king Solomon, it Israel is the one who started 452 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: doing divination with them and the and and here is 453 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: the theory to get heady, that is, all of reality 454 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: is math and letters. Then the deck is also math 455 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: and letters. And we're just gonna assume, in this creepy 456 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 1: quantum entanglement principle that what's going on in the bigger 457 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: picture we'll just synchronistically lined up with what we randomly 458 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: throw out. And that's the theory. And Solomon was solid 459 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: enough with his connection to the Lord and wisdom, and 460 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: that's how using them as divination kind of came into existence. Um, 461 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting even in scripture where they're saying, hey, 462 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: you shouldn't do divination, and actually it's the states that 463 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: only a master of the temple should do devination. And 464 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: I think there's this a man you should be qualified, 465 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: not a never ever ever do it? Okay, Well, let 466 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: me ask you this when it comes to understanding magical 467 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: principles in general, what do you think the relationship is 468 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: between magic and speaking words? Oh, They're so incredibly connected 469 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: to a degree to where I think a lot of 470 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: people unknowingly and unconsciously sabotage their own state and love 471 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 1: with what comes out of their mouth unfiltered. It's so connected. 472 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: And well, how do you feel that process works? What 473 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: is it about speaking a word that somehow is able 474 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: to bring a physical manifestation into being? The way I 475 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: look at it again goes back to that a cobolistic 476 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: because Solomon and israelismont of my heroes in the ancient 477 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: mystical world, and a very neat way of looking at 478 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: it that almost correlates in a very fascinating way with 479 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: modern physics. Fascinating way of looking at it. When you 480 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: look at their language, all of the vowel of their 481 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: language look like their licks, and all the consonants of 482 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: their language look like branches and sticks, And their language 483 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: pectorially is supposed to look like licks a fire on branches, 484 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: which I'm pre sure is the bring bush rick. Yeah, um, 485 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: by Oh, it's fascinating. They believe that when you speak, 486 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: you're literally creating, uh, just as the Creator himself does. 487 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: And just as the universe has hard matter and then 488 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: energy to move it along, so our language has hard 489 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: consonants and the vowels move it along, and they are 490 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: correlated speaking with the act of divine creation. I mean, 491 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: you're literally creating words. Your words create worlds in other 492 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: people's minds, and they it was very sacred, you know. Um. 493 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: I think that's why a lot of their more primal 494 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: prayers were in complete silence, because I wanted to design 495 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: alone to be the audience to the creation that they 496 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: are voices. You know. I remember when you told me 497 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: that the ancient Hebrew language looks like licks of flame 498 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: on branches, which must go back to the burning bush. 499 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: And it's so important because that is when supposedly God 500 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: reveals his name, which we loosely interpret as you know, 501 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: I am what I am, or I am that I am, 502 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: And I know it gets a little more complicated than that, 503 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: but still, uh, the name of God. Speaking the name 504 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 1: of God is to this day considered a very sacred 505 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: thing among many many people from the Judeo Christian traditions, 506 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: and so it's almost like that that encounter with God 507 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: in the burning bush is the is the the the 508 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: foundation for language in general, and how the language is 509 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: itself ultimately a magical thing that goes back to God's 510 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: language being the vibration that created reality as we know it. 511 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 1: Would you say that, oh well, I mean, just look 512 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: at the world we live in numbers, letters, miracle after 513 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: miracle after America, Austra miracle. I mean, does look at 514 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: our world? Every bit of our literature are scient landing 515 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: on the moon, splitting the atom. It all calmed from 516 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: that ancient letters numbers. So those are the parts of 517 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: my recent conversation with investigator Tad mcdivott that I wanted 518 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: to share with you on this show. Thank you Tad 519 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: for being on the program. And of course you can 520 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: get a personal tour from Dad if you go to 521 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: Haunted Asheville dot com if you are in the Asheville, 522 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: North Carolina area. Asheville is spelled a s h E 523 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: v I l l E. You know, Tad does a 524 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: special tour in addition to the usual tours, especial when 525 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: every Friday night at eight pm it's called the super 526 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: Natural Tour. It's a more in depth tour that gets 527 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: into things that are beyond what the average tourists might 528 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: look into. So if you're a die hard, check into 529 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: that when we come back from this break. Oh wait 530 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: till you hear about what I got in the mill today. 531 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: I've been excited about sharing this with you, and you 532 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 1: will see why the energy in my house has changed 533 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: a bit today. And uh, it's it's a celebratory feeling, 534 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: but some people may be freaked out. And and I 535 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 1: have an interesting testimonial to read for you as well. 536 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: Um this is it's there's just not enough time in 537 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 1: this show. But hey, at least you're never bored, right, 538 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: So I am Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to strange 539 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: things on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 540 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,240 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal podcast network, and I will be right back 541 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: after these messages. The Internet is an extraordinary resource that 542 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: links our children to a world of information, experiences, and 543 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: ideas and also can expose them to risk. Teach your 544 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: children the basic safety rules of the virtual world. Our 545 00:41:52,680 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 1: children are everything, Do everything for them. Before the art 546 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: bell vaults, classic audio and waiting for you. Now I'm 547 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: going to Coast to Coast to M dot com for 548 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: the tales. You're listening to Strange Things with Joshua P. 549 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: Warren on the new I Heart Radio and Coast to 550 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 1: Coast a M para normal podcast network. Don't forget. You 551 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,240 Speaker 1: can listen to Strange Things on the I Heart Radio app, 552 00:42:36,640 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you find your favorite shows. Welcome 553 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: back to the final segment of this edition of Strange 554 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: Things on the I Heart Radio at Coast to Coast 555 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: am paranormal podcast network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren, 556 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: And guess what I got in the mail today. Now 557 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a guy who has been professionally investigating 558 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: the strangest stuff in the world most of my life, 559 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: and I've been accused of being a little borderline hoarder. 560 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: I mean not just every Tom Dick and Harry has 561 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: a museum, and I have plenty of stuff from all 562 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: around the world in storage. At some point I'll just 563 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,879 Speaker 1: do it podcast and I'll just tell you about all 564 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: the stuff I have. Isn't just a cool idea for 565 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: a podcast where I I make a list of all 566 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: the weird, like the most amazing stuff I have, and 567 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: I just tell you the story behind all of it. 568 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: That might even take up two or three podcasts. But 569 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: I have one thing that I really really cherish. Um 570 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: that it's it's one of those things I've never put 571 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: on public display. And of course, you know, in my 572 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 1: home right now, I have Carville the alien. That's art 573 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:35,839 Speaker 1: Bells wooden alien statue that apparently comes to life sometimes 574 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: at night. That is something that I don't ever plan 575 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,879 Speaker 1: on parting with. Okay, that's uh, I don't. I don't 576 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: know that I'll ever put him permanently in a public 577 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,720 Speaker 1: place of display. He he just brings such a great 578 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: feeling to my home. But listen to this. I have 579 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: something I've never put on public display. And I will 580 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: dig into this much more deeply at some point in 581 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: the future, but let me just tell you for now 582 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: that in the nineteen seventies, Dr Raymond Moody wrote a 583 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 1: best selling book called Life After Life, in which he 584 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: coined the phrase near death experience, and he pretty much 585 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: you know, created, if not certainly popularized, the term tunnel 586 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: of light. I mean, a lot of this language that 587 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: we use now as part of the pop culture lexicon 588 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: is attributed to Dr Raymond Moody in the work that 589 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: he did, and he's just a wonderful guy, one of 590 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: the smartest people I've ever met. He has two pH ds. 591 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: I'm very proud to consider him a friend at this 592 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,240 Speaker 1: point in my life. And I think around two thousand 593 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 1: and eight, I hired Dr Raymond Moody to come to 594 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: Black Mountain, North Carolina and host a workshop on his 595 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 1: psycho Mantium technique. Now, this is a mirror technique that 596 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: he wrote about in his popular book called Reunions, based 597 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,240 Speaker 1: upon his in depth research regarding some of the ancient 598 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: Greek techniques of using reflective surfaces in order to have 599 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,839 Speaker 1: some kind of a contact experience with deceased loved ones. 600 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,240 Speaker 1: And and and again. At some point in the future 601 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: I'll go into all the details on the technique, but 602 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: he sort of modernized this technique so that you take 603 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 1: a mirror and you put it in a very particular 604 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: type of setting, and under the right circumstances, people can 605 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: sit in a dimly lit room by themselves, stare at 606 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,240 Speaker 1: the mirror, and then they will in many cases, actually 607 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: have a spiritual experience. Sometimes the deceased loved one actually 608 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 1: appears and literally emerges from the mirror and is standing 609 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:07,839 Speaker 1: there and they have a fully interactive experience. Okay, just 610 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,839 Speaker 1: as if the person is back alive, physical, and corporeal. Again, 611 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it's that mind boggling. And so when 612 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 1: he first started sort of telling people what he had 613 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: rediscovered regarding this technique, he he was traveling around the 614 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: world and he brought a mirror with him on many 615 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: of his travels. And this is a mirror that he 616 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:38,480 Speaker 1: purchased at a little antique store in Anniston, Alabama. That's 617 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,759 Speaker 1: where he's from, Alabama, and he just loved the look 618 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: of it. It said. It's a very old ornate mirror, 619 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: and he and his wife, Cheryl, actually painted the frame 620 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 1: of it black. And so this mirror has been with 621 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 1: him all around the world. Thousands of people have looked 622 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: into it and had interactions with spirits. And he brought 623 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 1: that mirror with him to the workshop that I hired 624 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: him to give in in Black Mountain, North Carolina. And 625 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, the people who attended that workshop was 626 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: a who's who of professional paranormal investigators and celebrities. Rosemary 627 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 1: Ellen Guiley was there. She was a wonderful lady, a 628 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,880 Speaker 1: good friend who has now passed, and she was especially 629 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: interested in scrying and mirror techniques, and so it's very 630 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,760 Speaker 1: significant to me that she looked into this mirror during 631 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,879 Speaker 1: that weekend. It was like it was a three day 632 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,799 Speaker 1: workshop that I set up at a resort called the 633 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,720 Speaker 1: Madison Inn, and she had an experience with the mirror. 634 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 1: Mark Nesbit did, Gosh, Ray Buckland was there, he did, 635 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 1: I mean, like I'm telling you. So. The funny thing is, 636 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: when this event um was over, Dr Moody and his 637 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,920 Speaker 1: wife were heading back home. They had driven into town 638 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: but Um, but Dr Moody realized there were some people 639 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: who had made plans to say an extra day at 640 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,840 Speaker 1: the resort and wanted to continue experimenting. And so he said, well, 641 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, Josh, it's okay for you to keep the 642 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,640 Speaker 1: set up the room we have set up with this mirror, 643 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: and you can just ship it back to me when 644 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 1: the weekend is over. So he went back home. I 645 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,279 Speaker 1: went and got the mirror to ship back to him. 646 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,719 Speaker 1: But I thought m and I contacted him and said, 647 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,440 Speaker 1: what are the chances you would consider selling this mirror 648 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,319 Speaker 1: to me? And at first he didn't want to do it. 649 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: But then his wife, Cheryl, said, you know, we're actually 650 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,040 Speaker 1: renovating everything and upgrading everything. So look, long story short, 651 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,680 Speaker 1: he sold this mirror to me. Okay, it belongs in 652 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 1: the Smithsonian, but he sold it to me and Lauren 653 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,719 Speaker 1: and I we picked it up. We put it in 654 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: the trunk of our car. We left the Madison in 655 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,680 Speaker 1: we stopped at a pizza place called my Father's Pizza 656 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,000 Speaker 1: and Mountain, North Carolina. We stepped out of the car 657 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: to go have lunch, and we took two or three 658 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 1: steps and in the trunk of the car, we heard 659 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,520 Speaker 1: boom boom, boom, boom boom, pounding in the trunk like 660 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: somebody was locked in the trunk trying to get out. 661 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,359 Speaker 1: And I went over and opened the trunk and there 662 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 1: was nothing in the trunk except the mirror. True story, well, 663 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,320 Speaker 1: that mirror was hung on the wall in our house 664 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: at the time in North Carolina, and that's when all 665 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,280 Speaker 1: kinds of spooky things started happening. We would hear people 666 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: talking in the living room at night when nobody was around. 667 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: The alarm system started going off and nobody was around. 668 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: That kind of stuff, And yeah, I love this mirror 669 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,799 Speaker 1: so much, and it's so fragile and so haunted and 670 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: so meaningful because of its connection with Dr Moody and 671 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:55,280 Speaker 1: his groundbreaking work, that I never put it in my museum. 672 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,760 Speaker 1: I was just too worried it might get broken somehow 673 00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,879 Speaker 1: in the museum, so I gave it to my mom, 674 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 1: um and dad for safe keeping. When I started traveling 675 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,359 Speaker 1: the world so much and moved to Puerto Rico for 676 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,640 Speaker 1: years to study the Bermuda Triangle, and all that time, 677 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: my mom has been kind of freaked out by it, 678 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 1: and so my mom decided to just cover it up 679 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,719 Speaker 1: and put it away. And well, anyway, I finally told 680 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 1: my mom, please ship it to me here in Las Vegas, 681 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,000 Speaker 1: and so we got it shipped out here, and today 682 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,960 Speaker 1: I picked up this big box and opened it and 683 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:36,439 Speaker 1: arrived beautifully thanks to professional packing by FedEx. And now 684 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 1: I have Dr Moodie's mirror hanging on my wall. And 685 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,279 Speaker 1: I will be telling you very soon what happens now 686 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: at my house now that I have this. But I 687 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 1: know people are like Josh, I thought you weren't gonna 688 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,680 Speaker 1: bring haunted stuff into your house. That is true, but 689 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,239 Speaker 1: this is such a precious thing. We'll see how long 690 00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 1: that last, so I'll keep you updated all right before 691 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,200 Speaker 1: this show is over, Listen, I I have a testimonial 692 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 1: I want to read to you about the good Fortune 693 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 1: tone that I played on some of the past few shows. 694 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,200 Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about. I have this tone, 695 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,279 Speaker 1: which is the good Fortune tone. It's based on the 696 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 1: Golden ratio. When you hear it, it's twenty seconds. It's 697 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: supposed to bring something good uh into your life. The 698 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,600 Speaker 1: following week, let me read to you this email I 699 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,880 Speaker 1: got from Laura and Michigan. She said, just wanted to 700 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,399 Speaker 1: give you a short testimonial regarding this sound. She said, 701 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,560 Speaker 1: I listened to it last night prior to going to bed. Mistake, 702 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 1: I did my own experiment. I just happened to have 703 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,759 Speaker 1: a glass of water with me. And I don't know 704 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,600 Speaker 1: if this means anything, but this particular glass is not 705 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 1: actually glass. It's a unique hammered metallic beverage container that 706 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,759 Speaker 1: is copper plated on the outside, she says. Anyway back 707 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,239 Speaker 1: to the testimonial, I placed the cup on laptop so 708 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,800 Speaker 1: the sound could reach and penetrate it. I then drank 709 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,919 Speaker 1: it right after. Soon after, I felt so perked up, 710 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,319 Speaker 1: felt like I had drank twenty cups of coffee. I 711 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,440 Speaker 1: couldn't sleep. I still feel that way now, so it 712 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,400 Speaker 1: would be interesting to know others reactions to the sound. 713 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,279 Speaker 1: I will try it again, but not so late at 714 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:29,399 Speaker 1: night and without the copper plated glass, she says. I'm 715 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 1: seventy one. I've seen, read, studied, gone to many conferences 716 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,560 Speaker 1: and webinars on all levels of the spiritual nature. She says, 717 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:43,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate your dedication, curiosity, creativity, and how today's science 718 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,239 Speaker 1: is catching up to what the mystics already knew. Keep 719 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,719 Speaker 1: up the good work, love what you're doing and sharing blessings. 720 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,919 Speaker 1: That's from Laura and Michigan. Thank you Laura. So here 721 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: you go, folks. Maybe you can try out what she suggested. 722 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:26,160 Speaker 1: Here is the good luck tone for twenty seconds. All right, 723 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,520 Speaker 1: let me know if you put a cup or a 724 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: glass near that, and if so, what happened to you. 725 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try it out and I'll be keeping you 726 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:47,120 Speaker 1: updated on new reports regarding this tone. That's it for 727 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,080 Speaker 1: this edition of the show. Follow me on Twitter at 728 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,440 Speaker 1: Joshua P. 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