1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Ron and Nanian The Car Doctor, nationally 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: recognized auto expert trusted by Mechanics, Weekend wrenchers and vehicle 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: owners Alife. Ron brings over forty years of hands on 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: experience and deep industry insight to help you understand your vehicle. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Join the Conversation Live every Saturday from two to four 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: pm Eastern by calling eight five to five five six 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. That's eight five to five 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: five six zero ninety nine hundred, your direct line to 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: honest answers and practical advice. 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You 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: know we talked last week. Remember I told you about 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: Danny broke down in his van on route to Await 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: North in New Jersey. The freeze out plug fell out. 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: Well I did get replacement freeze out plugged. Well, actually 24 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: what happened was a friend of this show and a 25 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 2: friend of the shop. Ron Ross, are pre eminent engine builder, 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: former owner of simon ek Performance and now sort of 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: semi retired, stopped by the shop for lunch one on 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: Monday and we were talking about this and I said, 29 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: shouldn't the freeze out plug have ten to fifteen thousands crush? Remember, 30 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: I said, it felt like the freeze out plug went 31 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: in too easy. The freeze out plug, in case you 32 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: don't know, is that metal disk or puck on the 33 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: side of the engine block that they push in. Now 34 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: I learned a little bit of trivia and I kind 35 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: of remembered this from way back when, but Ron sort 36 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: of tickled the memory and brought it to surface. They're 37 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: really not freeze out plugs. Those little metal pucks on 38 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: the side of the block are also were originally there 39 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: as core plugs, and I remember that early on, when 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: I first started this business, we referred to them as 41 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: core plugs, and then they became freeze out plugs. I'm 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: not sure where the transition or why, but it was 43 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: the idea that they had a core plug. That hole 44 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: in the side of the block is to remove the 45 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: casting sand when they manufacture the block, when it's first 46 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: put together, molten poured right cast iron and so forth. 47 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: You know, they would put those plugs, press them in, 48 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: and good to go. Interesting trivia, Ron explained to me. 49 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: He said, now on aluminum blocks, like all the rare 50 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: exotic race motors and GML eighty eights or the ZL one, 51 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: the aluminum block motors, the core plugs were screwing. I 52 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: never knew that. That's kind of fascinating, right, he said, 53 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: He's more likely to see a screw in, you know, 54 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 2: in the race department that he's in than a push in. 55 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: But a freeze out plug, corp plug, whatever we want 56 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: to call it, should have ten thousands of crush. So 57 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: I said, well, let's find out where we can get him. 58 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: Now here's the funny part. I don't know if this 59 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: is funny. Maybe this is tragic. Maybe this is more 60 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 2: indicative of what we've come to. I called up my 61 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: local GM dealer. I've got a great relationship with Dennis. 62 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: I've been talking to Dennis, my parts guy, for the 63 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: better part of forty years. I said, Dennis, you know, 64 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: just for giggles, if I want to order a freeze 65 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: out plug, because I tried the aftermarket, the aftermarket doesn't 66 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: have anything made in the USA available at the otel 67 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: parts level. I said, if I wanted to order a 68 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: freeze out plug for a small block General Motors, Chevrolet 69 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: motor can you get me one? And he went through 70 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: the listings, Da da da da da da No obsolete, 71 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: We don't sell him anymore. I said, well, what would 72 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: happen if a customer came in and they wanted a 73 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: freeze out plug? He said, first, the little of a 74 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: customer came in with a car that old fair point, 75 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: He said, we probably wouldn't work on it. I don't 76 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: know if we have anybody here that's, you know, got 77 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: the ability to work on something from you know, because 78 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: you got to consider the small block Chevy was last 79 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: put into GM cars going back into the nineties. That's 80 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: a while ago, right, But he said, would it be? 81 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: He said, we would be more inclined to swing an 82 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: engine then put a freeze out plug in something. And 83 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: that sort of blew my mind because instead of putting 84 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: in the three dollars freeze out plug, we're gonna you know, 85 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: put in a five thousand dollar engine. But of course 86 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: then Dennis made the comment, he goes, I don't even 87 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: know if we have guys here that have the skill 88 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: set to put a freeze out plug in, something which 89 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 2: bothered me also. But I've got to think there are 90 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 2: guys talented enough in dealerships to do freeze out plugs. 91 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: They're not that difficult, but maybe they don't do them 92 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: as much as they did anymore. And it made me 93 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 2: realize the changing face of the industry. It's just this 94 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: industry marches on technology, pushes us forward further and further, 95 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: faster and faster each and every week. The things that 96 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: you did yesterday you may not do tomorrow. And it 97 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 2: just goes on and on and on. So I said 98 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: to Ron, I hung up the phone. I turned to 99 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: mister Ross and I said, so, where would I get 100 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: a freeze out plug made in USA that could work 101 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: on a small block Chevy if you were still building 102 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: engines at Simon Egg Performance. What would you do? He says, 103 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: I would order it from Pioneer Automotive. Aha. So now 104 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: we're getting to the We look at Pioneer Automotive, we 105 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: go out online. What a neat company. I ordered an 106 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: oil pan. I don't need one, but I just wanted 107 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: to have one. I ordered a brand new oil pan 108 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: for a small block Chevy. They're still stamping them. I 109 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: ordered a set of freeze out plugs. I ordered a 110 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 2: couple of motor mounts. 111 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: Uh. 112 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 2: You know, because back in the day, those seventies and 113 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: eighties GM cars, the motor mounts were all the same, 114 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: the oil pans were all the same, the freeze out 115 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: plugs were all the same. So I have I'm just 116 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: buying inventory for all my cars now that I can, 117 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: you know, just put it on the shelf. I'll use 118 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: it sooner or later. Eventually freeze out plug came. Took 119 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: it out of the wrapper and measured it. Now, an 120 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: engine five eighths freeze out plug, if you measure it 121 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: with a micrometer, should measure one point six two five. 122 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: But you need about ten thousands ten to fifteen thousands 123 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 2: a crush on top of that, so one point six 124 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: y four to oh would be a good number. And 125 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: sure enough they measured one point six y' four to 126 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: Zho gave one to Danny. He took it home that night. 127 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: He said, boy, it was really hard getting that in. 128 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: I said, right, that's how a freeze out plug. It's 129 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 2: supposed to it's supposed to be tight going in, it's 130 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 2: supposed to be hard that you kind of swing and 131 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: pop it a couple of times with a two pounds sledge. 132 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: And I knew that that I know now and I 133 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: knew then that that van is fixed. But what an 134 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: eye opening experience. And it was a pleasure. Right Pioneer 135 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: Automotive Parts, they say, right, it made an USA. Well 136 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: except for the oil pan. The oil pan was made 137 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: in Taiwan, which was a little disappointing, but it was 138 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: very heavy. It wasn't a cheap tiny oil pan. And 139 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: except for the fact that one of the rails had 140 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: a slight bend to it, it got damaged in shipping, 141 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: which I can straighten in the on a block on 142 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: the ice on the bench. That'll be no problem. But 143 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: you know, just kind of refreshing to see that some 144 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: stuff is still out there. Then we can go and 145 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: talk about well, we should talk about this real quick. 146 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: So then one of the other things I wanted to 147 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 2: tell you that from this week is that we had 148 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: a twenty Honda in Odyssey and had Perge valve fall 149 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: and it was sort of straightforward. It came up as 150 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: a purge valve inaccurate flow problem diagnosed. It found the 151 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: bulletin from Honda that talked about they had a series 152 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: of purge valves that were made improperly. At least they 153 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: owned up to it, and it was do this test, 154 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: do this test, and then replace the purge valve. So 155 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: I did this this you have the valve is bad. 156 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: Put a valven. The last part of that test is 157 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: they want you to run a system test. They want 158 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: you to check the part that you put in and 159 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: verify that the system is repaired. Okay, I can do that. 160 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: I fire up my snap On Trite and my snap 161 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: On Scantol and I run the test and it comes 162 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: up with possible restriction in line between canister and tank. 163 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, what is possible mean? And how did 164 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: I go from having a bad purge valve the problem 165 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: with the other they're into the system, to a problem 166 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: back at the other, you know, at the vent valve 167 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: at the canister. I said, I wonder if the snap 168 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: On scan tool, because I've had this issue with snap 169 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: On in the last year that it seems like their 170 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: software is buggy for lack of a way to say it. 171 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: So I broke out my Opus Opus scan tool. All right, 172 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: Opus IVS as we call it, has the ability to 173 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: download factory software, and I called up Opus. I had 174 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: to install the Honda HDS tool on my scan tool 175 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: and run the test car passed with flying collars. Cars 176 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 2: out there four days cars fixed. There's a problem in 177 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: this industry that when you get through with the repair 178 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: and you're trying to verify is there anything else? Is 179 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 2: are you done with this vehicle? Is it completely fixed? 180 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: Because customers generally want to know, hey, is it fixed? 181 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: And you want to hand them back to the keys 182 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 2: and go, yes, it is not well. My snap on 183 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 2: scan tool said this, and my Hotel scan tool said that, 184 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 2: although in all fairness, I didn't try my hotel on 185 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: this car. I didn't have the time. I was running 186 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: out of day. You know, it's it's you want to 187 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: know why repair shops have a hard time. You want 188 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: to know our repair shops have more than one scan 189 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: tool because there isn't a tool out there that does 190 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: everything well except for an Opus an Opus IVS. Because 191 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: I have the ability to download factory software and put 192 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 2: the same tool that the dealer has on onto that 193 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: tool and do the same tests with the same degree 194 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 2: of accuracy. 195 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 4: You know. 196 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 2: The moral to the story is this week between freeze 197 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: out plugs that don't exist anymore and are made under 198 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: size and incorrectly to scan tools that don't have proper 199 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: software on them that require factory level diagnostics. The moral 200 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 2: to the story is, it's always a moving target. It's 201 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: a bull's eye that seems to swirl around and swirl 202 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 2: around that you're always trying to hit, and that's what 203 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 2: keeps you on your toes and keeps you on edge. 204 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: Eight five five five six nine nine zero zero. I'm 205 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: running eighty in the car doctor. Come on back. Let's 206 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: open up the phone lines and talk cars. I'll be here. Hey, 207 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 2: let's open up phone line right away at eight five 208 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 2: five five six nine nine yearos zero. Let's go over 209 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 2: and talk to Barbara in Pennsylvania. Barbara, Welcome to the 210 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: car doctor. 211 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: How can I help? 212 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 5: Hi? 213 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 3: Thank you. 214 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 5: I'll tell you what the problem is and what I 215 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 5: know and what I've done so far, and then maybe 216 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 5: you could respond to that. Last November I bought from 217 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 5: a relative two thousand and nine Toyota Venza. It had 218 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 5: always been well maintained. Anything that needed to be done 219 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 5: to it was done. 220 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: Prior to her. 221 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 5: It was always in a garage when she owned it. 222 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 5: It is no longer in a garage now that I 223 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 5: own it. That's a key factor perhaps, But she also 224 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 5: before she, before I bought it, put new batteries, had her. 225 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 5: She bought the batteries and had her mechanics put them 226 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 5: in the keyfob. So what's happening is the alarm system 227 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 5: when I electronically locked the car is going off intermittently. 228 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 5: I can find no pattern in weather, temperature, moisture level, 229 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 5: et cetera. One time at three am and then again, 230 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 5: you know, an hour later. One time I was not 231 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 5: even at home, and my neighbor texted me I was 232 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 5: at a theater, the keyfobs were at home, no one 233 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 5: was near them, and the alarm was going off. So 234 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 5: I did look online and saw that others are having 235 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 5: this problem with even newer cars, and that there may 236 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 5: be several causes. Perhaps an old key fob, a weak battery, 237 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 5: hood latch, defective hood latch was one of them, or 238 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 5: dirty there were several things. I also called the dealership 239 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 5: where she bought it and talked to the service manager. 240 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 5: He didn't seem to be familiar with this type of 241 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 5: problem at all. I also asked the she had taken 242 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 5: it for several years to some people who worked at 243 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 5: a dealership and have an independent shop where they serve 244 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 5: us a lot of toyotas. When I asked the one 245 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 5: of the partners there if he was familiar with it, 246 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 5: he said it was a foreign thing to Kim. He 247 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 5: had not heard of this prior. So it's what I've 248 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 5: been doing is just manually locking the three doors except 249 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 5: the driver's side, and not just when I go to 250 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 5: a banker's store or something, I lock it with the 251 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 5: key fob or the door lock. Okay, anyway, where can 252 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 5: I start? 253 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: I can relate to this barbera my ninety seven Ranger. 254 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: Not the hijack the conversation completely, but my ninety seven 255 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: Ranger is doing the same thing to me. Where if 256 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 2: I power lock it, since the alarm and if I 257 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 2: open the truck it goes off. And I'm having a 258 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: problem where I can't find parts. I need a door lass. 259 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: That's a different story. So I can relate to this 260 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 2: problem one hundred percent. So and it's frustrating, right, either 261 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: goes off. In my case, that goes off. As I'm 262 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: getting into the car, people look at me, he's stealing 263 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: that truck. And I'm like, who would steal this truck? 264 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 3: Right? 265 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: Like, you know, it's a ninety seven, it's thirty years old. 266 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: Cut it out where I would go. You have a 267 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 2: regular you have a local mechanic, You can talk to 268 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: a regular guy. You even dealing with. 269 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 5: Yes, okay, well not this car, but with my previous Yeah, yeah. 270 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 4: I have one. 271 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 2: So let's go do a code scan, all right, But 272 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 2: I want to I want to scan every module on 273 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: the car, all right. I want to look at I 274 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: want to look in particular at the immobilizer module, which 275 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 2: is the anti theft all right. I want to look 276 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: to see if there's perhaps a b as in Baker 277 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 2: twenty seven ninety five, a b as in Baker twenty 278 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: seven ninety nine fault code stored. I'm looking to see, 279 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: is there's something indicative of which circuit is at fault? 280 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: All right? 281 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: You know it's not not uncommon for these cars to 282 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: have bad hood latches. And I want to record codes 283 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: before I disconnect anything. And then as as a test 284 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: I want to disconnect the hood latch the electrical portion 285 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 2: the alarm will no longer set, and then I just 286 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: want him to do a draw Test's ask him to 287 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: do a parasitic draw test where he's just gonna you know, 288 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: and this is probably an hour is worth a shop time, 289 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: but it's well, it's well, it's time well spent because 290 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: it's gonna get us some information, right, and we're gonna 291 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: look to see make sure we don't have an excessive 292 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: draw test. For example, you know, we disconnect the hood 293 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: latch even if the hoodlt's connected, but disconnect the hood latch, 294 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: nothing stays awake beyond that hour. We don't have more 295 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: than a fifty milliam draw we should see it fall 296 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: below that. And if that's the case, drive the car. 297 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: Does the alarm still arm the well, I'm sorry, the 298 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 2: alarm will no longer arm, but the alarm should no 299 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: longer go off. Okay, if the alarm no longer goes off, 300 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: depending upon what fault code you have, you probably have 301 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: a bad hoodlatch. All right, but now, but now keep 302 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: this in mind. We're disabling the hood latch because it's 303 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: the easiest thing to get to right. The fact that 304 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: it no longer goes off is just because it doesn't 305 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: see the hoodlatch anymore. So once we can prove that 306 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: the system is operating as intended, no hoodlatch, it won't arm, 307 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. You know, then we can go 308 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: and maybe run some tests on that hoodlatch, or find 309 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: out what current pricing is and perhaps replace it. You know, 310 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: if you don't want an alarm system on a sixteen 311 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: year old vehicle, leave the hood latch disconnected. If there's 312 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: no parasitic draw I know of any I know of 313 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: nothing outside any fault that will occur as long as 314 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: remote start still functions, which it should, then you know, 315 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: leave it as an. 316 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 5: I don't have a remote start on it? 317 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: Even better? Right, even better? All right, and then you 318 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: know you'll be fine. And it's it's just it's just 319 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: the quickest, easiest course of action. This is a very 320 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: common fault. The fact that people are saying they don't 321 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: they don't have it, or they haven't seen it as 322 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: a commonalty. I don't get that, but I always say 323 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 2: order repairs a regional phenomena that occurs in this country 324 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: that you know, what's important to me in New Jersey 325 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: is different than Pennsylvania, Florida, California and so on. So 326 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: but you know, if you can have it done in 327 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: those steps and ultimately end up disconnecting the hood less 328 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: and the problem goes away, you're good, okay, all right? 329 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 5: Yes, And as I said, I I don't know. I 330 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 5: would have to wait because for two weeks it wouldn't 331 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 5: go off, and it would go off, and then for 332 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 5: another week it wouldn't go off, and then yeah, so. 333 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: Right, so but if we prove there's no parasitic draw, 334 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: so the battery won't die, and we have the fault 335 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 2: codes recorded, because he when he takes this, you know, 336 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: when he takes this, you know, test and he runs 337 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: diagnostics and he records codes. He's going to store it somewhere, 338 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: either on paper or up in the cloud because he's 339 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: a great mechanic, right, He's going to have that for 340 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 2: future reference. And you know it won't matter. Listen, you 341 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: can leave that hood. Let's disconnected for the next six years, 342 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: and if you never hear the alarm again, are you 343 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: going to be happy? 344 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 5: Yeah? 345 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: Problem solved? Right, And you're very welcome. You're very welcome. 346 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: You're very welcome. Thank you Yeah, listen. The ultimate is 347 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: is my car fixed? Yeah, it's fixed. Here's the keys, 348 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 2: you know it's it's if we solve the problem, we 349 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: solve the problem. But there's nothing wrong with just disconnecting 350 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: the alarm on the older vehicle, not in my opinion. 351 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: Eight five five five six nine nine zero zero. Running 352 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: any of the car doctor coming back right. 353 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: After this. 354 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 2: From the city Street to the Oven Rule tonight. If 355 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 2: you run his head album, Ron will keep you all right. Yeah, 356 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: he's a car doctor. 357 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 4: Car in Bove. 358 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 2: Hey, let's get on over and talk to Pat. Welcome back, everybody. 359 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: Eight five five five six nine nine zero zero, Pat Illinois, 360 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: what's going on? 361 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 4: Hey? 362 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 5: Ron? 363 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: Thank you for taking my call. 364 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 2: You're welcome. 365 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 3: My call is not really about car maintenance. It's really 366 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: about the expensive buying cars used or new. I tell 367 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 3: you what I'm going to be seventy four. I have 368 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 3: never borrowed my for a car. I've always paid cash. 369 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: My first car is we had to graduate from high school. 370 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 3: That was my mum and dad's rule. Wad to buy 371 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 3: our own car, buy our insurers by own gash. But 372 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 3: I currently drive a two thousand and nine Pontiac Torrent 373 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: and I got up to the Obama's Cash for Conquerors program. 374 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: I'm sure you remember that, Oh sure. And I had 375 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 3: a at the time when I traded in nineteen ninety 376 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: four Plymouth Vager Standard size. I take care of my cars. 377 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 3: I would rob them till the whales fall off. 378 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 4: Yep. 379 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 3: And I paid six thousand dollars for it, had it 380 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 3: for ten years, and I got eighty three hundred dollars 381 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 3: for it when I bought the new Pontiac Torrent. Otherwise 382 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 3: I never bought a new car. But I take care 383 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 3: of them. And yeah, maintenance is a routine, but I've 384 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: never had a serious problem with it. I just had 385 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: my mechanic that I've had for years doing a little 386 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: under a carriage inspection for me. He said, I've never 387 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: seen such a plane under the carriage a seventeen year 388 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: old car. But it just kind of amazes me. How 389 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 3: but people, how people's parties are on spinning when it 390 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: comes to buy buttomobiles. I know, I've heard stories of 391 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: people that are just car poor. They're spending a fortune 392 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 3: on transportation. And I work with a guy that had 393 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 3: a two thousand, six fourteen or sixteen six fourteen GMC 394 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: four by four, and I thought it was a good 395 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 3: looking truck, and it needed four thousand dollars with the 396 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 3: durist work, not just one thing. And rather than spending 397 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 3: four grand and getting that car maintained by a good 398 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 3: mechanic and driving it for you know, who knows how 399 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 3: many more years, he went out and bought spent eighty 400 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 3: grand on a new GMC truck and then put another 401 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 3: six thousand dollars in high performance stuff on. It. Tells 402 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: me he works two jobs, he doesn't have any money, 403 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 3: and then'll never be able to retire. And he sets 404 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 3: money aside every month for maintenance purposes. And I said, 405 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 3: why don't you do that for your older truck and 406 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 3: just keep it. But it just gets me how people 407 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 3: will spend money on omlibills and your news and rather 408 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: than just buying a good used car, having it's certified 409 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: by a good mechanic and just taking care of it. 410 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 3: It's always, in my opinion, a better way of spending 411 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 3: money for good transportation. 412 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: You know what, you know what slows it down, though, 413 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 2: Pat you know what slows down the process. And you're 414 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: not wrong. There's a lot of truth in what you're saying. 415 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 2: What I think slows it down. Is the more technology 416 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 2: the newer cars have, the more focused the car companies 417 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: become on the newer cars, maintenance of parts, inventory of parts, 418 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: manufacture of replacement parts, dealing with problems under warranty that 419 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: they didn't expect, and now they've got to you know, 420 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: they've got to support that financially. They don't support maintaining 421 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: parts in the pipeline for the older vehicles as much anymore. 422 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: I'm finding I'm finding a huge dissolution of parts. They're 423 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: just disappearing every day. We lose more and more and more. 424 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: And you're right, Okay, eighty thousand for a pickup truck 425 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: isn't a lot of money anymore. 426 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 3: As soon as you drive them up a lot and 427 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 3: five years, right, that's forty eight thousand dollars down the 428 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 3: gray right. 429 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: Well, because you know we're having a hard time doing math, 430 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: I think, Pat, I think that's part of the problem. 431 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: All right, Uh, you know it's it's but is it 432 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: worth it? Listen, I'll tell you a quick story. We 433 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 2: had a customer this week. He'd been to three other places, 434 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: three other shops, had put a combined seventy three hundred 435 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: dollars into this eleven jeep, still not fixed. Three years later, 436 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 2: still not fixed, had a fault code twenty two to 437 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 2: forty five. It started out with a P zero four thirty. 438 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 2: They fixed the cat, they did some other things that 439 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: was still there. They did this, they did this. Finally 440 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: they got that solved. Then it developed a twenty two 441 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 2: forty five, which is an oxygen sensor circuit fault on 442 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: the left bank on the bank one circuit. And they 443 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: tried this, and they tried that, and so on and 444 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 2: so forth, and it came into my door. Super nice guy. 445 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: But his first words to me, where I've got this problem, 446 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: and I don't want to spend any money, and you 447 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 2: know what do I do with that? You know, it's 448 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: it's We've already spent seven grand to resolve some problems, 449 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: maybe not the problem, and we're coming in, you know, 450 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: you're coming into a doctor and you're saying, Hey, I'm 451 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 2: having a heart attack, but I don't want to spend 452 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 2: any money, but you got to fix it. It's it's 453 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 2: it's it's the impracticality of it. We ended up not 454 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 2: really fixing that vehicle. I looked it over, we serviced it. 455 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: I told him, you know, I did. I did some research. 456 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: I charged them part of a diagnostic how where I 457 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: felt bad for the guy and I told him, I said, 458 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: you know, your fault is likely in the wiring harness 459 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 2: and I proved why okay. And my concern with that vehicle, 460 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: because see there's always there's always a different side of 461 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 2: the point. My concern with that vehicle is it's a Jeep. 462 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: When I called my jeep dealer three weeks ago, when 463 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: I ordered any freeze for the shop because we stop 464 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: Chrysler coolant, we stalk a lot of a week fluids 465 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: and coolants at the shop and various manufacturers. When the 466 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 2: dealer tells me, I've got two gallons of Chrysler coolant 467 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: on the shelf, I'll sell you one gallon. I'm keeping one, 468 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: you can have one, And I said, why do you 469 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: only have two gallons? Because we can't get any from 470 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: Chrysler because they don't have any. 471 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 3: You know. 472 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 2: So sometimes you got to look at the repair and say, 473 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: is you know, am I making the person or letting 474 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: the person spend money on a vehicle that they're not 475 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: going to get their dollar value out of because we're 476 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: chasing parts. You're driving a Pontiac. God bless you. I 477 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 2: think there were great cars, but finding finding parts has 478 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 2: got to Yeah, finding finding parts has got to get 479 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: to be a problem at some point. And the fact 480 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 2: that it's older makes it a little easier because it's 481 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: less electronic centric, it's less electronic dependent. But a newer 482 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 2: vehicle a seven year old vehicle. If you need a 483 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: computer module and you can't get it, what do you do. 484 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 4: I don't know. 485 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 2: You know, you're stuck. 486 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: I have an old friend that works on cars, and 487 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 3: he used to drag race cars in the area. If 488 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 3: it's nineteen seventy eight or newer, nor newer than nineteen 489 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 3: seventy eight, he won't work on it. 490 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: Well, you know, and listen, there's a lot of guys 491 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 2: like that, and God bless them because we need the 492 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: old school guys to do the mechanical stuff. But I 493 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: you know what, you're not wrong. I'll end the conversation 494 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 2: here for today, and you're always welcome to come back. 495 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 2: We can continue this. When I first started out in 496 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 2: the gas station as a kid at sixteen, and I've 497 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: told this story before, Billy taught me. You know, I 498 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: started a pumped gas and you know, Ron you're gonna 499 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 2: you're gonna do a water pump. And I did a 500 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 2: water pump on a small block Chevy and an Impala, 501 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: a small block Chevy water pump in nineteen seventy four, No, 502 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: seventy three, all right, nineteen seventy three water pump, thermostat, 503 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: coolant and oil change was under two hundred and fifty bucks. Yeah, 504 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: but the price of the car was three grand. Right, 505 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: you know it's like twenty eight hundred dollars. So you know, 506 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: what's what's what's the point of perspective? Listen, I I 507 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: you know, we we had that that ninety two Buick 508 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: Roadmaster cars thirty something years old. Now you know this 509 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: month we put sixty eight hundred dollars in it. Front 510 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: end engine work, water pump, alternators, just out of control. 511 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 2: And she said, I can't buy this car for six 512 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: or seven grand. 513 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 3: Get to a trade offs at some point there is 514 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 3: a balance. Oh, if I got to spend a couple 515 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 3: thousand dollars to keep my whole car running rather than 516 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 3: spending twenty thousand on somebody else's used problem, I'd rather 517 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 3: spend the couple on keep mine going. 518 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 2: I think, I think your perspective is correct. I really do. 519 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: I think the consideration of the vehicle has to come in. 520 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: You know, what is the vehicle can we you know, 521 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: what's the ready availability of parts that they produce enough 522 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: of them that you stuff is going to be out. 523 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: There is their decent aftermarket replacement for it. There's a 524 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 2: lot of factors that go into it. But you are right, 525 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: you are spot on in the comment that we are 526 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 2: a car poor society. We spend an awful lot of 527 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: money buying new cars when maybe repairing or upkeeping that 528 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 2: old car would have done just as well, and we 529 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 2: can put some money away in the bank, and that's 530 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: how we start to save pat. I enjoyed the conversation, sir. 531 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 2: You're welcome back anytime, as all my listeners are. You 532 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: bring up some excellent points eight five, five five six 533 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: o nine nine zero zero, run and any of the 534 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 2: car doctor. We are back right after this. Hey, let's 535 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 2: let's wander over to Arizona and go to the truck 536 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 2: and Curmudgeon. That's the name on the screen. We'll leave 537 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 2: it there. How are you young there? How can I help? 538 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 4: Good afternoon? This one? Love your show. I remember pumping 539 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 4: gas in the seventies as well. And you know that 540 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 4: we checked the oil, We did the wind shields, and 541 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 4: the girls had short skirts, so we rubbed a hole 542 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 4: in many wind shields. 543 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 2: And we weren't allowed that we did. Now where you 544 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 2: were pumping gas, I just have to ask because one 545 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 2: of the first things Billy taught me was I couldn't 546 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: wear the rag in my front pocket. It had to 547 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: be in my back pocket. But it can only be 548 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 2: stick out about three inches and I can never let 549 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: the rig hit the ground. Did your boss give you 550 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: that speech about cleanliness and appearance? 551 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 4: No, we never needed it. I worked at a Sonoko 552 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 4: station in Wilmington, Delaware, and you know we catered to 553 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 4: an upper an upper clientele. Yeah, commuted through our area, 554 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 4: so we were always pretty spiffy. 555 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: So you had Sonoko two sixty gas, Yes, we did it, Yeah. 556 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 4: The good stuff and we we we loved working during 557 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 4: that shortage because after after we closed and the lights 558 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 4: went out, we got to fill up our cars. 559 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: Right, yep, yep, I remember it well. Oh yeah, I 560 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: was a very popular person. Uh you know, it was 561 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: a lot went on after hours. We'll just say it 562 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 2: like that, yes, sir, yes, sir. 563 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 4: How can I help you today, Well, I called about 564 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 4: your interview with Frank, the deputy in Penell County, which 565 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 4: is where I am. Uh, he's quite the celebrity here, 566 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 4: and you know it's I'm an old state cop from Nevada, 567 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 4: and uh, we didn't we really didn't have the technology 568 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 4: to reach out to as many people and do this 569 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 4: online education like he does. And I have not personally 570 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 4: been Franked, but uh, there's there's many people around here 571 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 4: to talk about him on social media like crazy. I 572 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 4: think I think it's great. 573 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to tell you he because we reach 574 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: out to a lot of people. You know, it's funny. 575 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: We just I just had a breakfast meeting this morning 576 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 2: with the media team and we were talking about it. 577 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: You know, if we reached out to eight different individuals 578 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: for interview requests, Frank was one of the one of 579 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 2: the eight, eight or nine that actually got back to 580 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: us and said, yeah, I'll do it. 581 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 582 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: He he is a genuine person and you know, you 583 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: got to understand and you'll understand it, but everybody else 584 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 2: has to understand. 585 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 4: For what he did. 586 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: He's operating within the confines of the Penell County Sheriff's Office. 587 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 2: He had to get approval. He had to ask for permission, 588 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: you know, and and listen, I understand I have law 589 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: enforcement in the family. I understand and respect it. Even 590 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 2: if I didn't have law enforcement in the family, I 591 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 2: still understand and respect the cops. I mean, plain English, 592 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: you know what the cops have. When I was wrong, 593 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 2: I was wrong, and when I was right, they they 594 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: defended me and they helped right. You know, people people 595 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 2: they do that. That's the way it is. It's they 596 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: have a hard job. And you know, Frank made it easy. 597 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 2: He really did. He answered every question. He was very candid. 598 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: He was I thought he was very forthcoming. It was 599 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: just a great interview. I really enjoyed connecting with Frank. 600 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: I really did. I do. 601 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 4: I do hope to meet him someday and and we've 602 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 4: discussed my seventy eight Mercury Marquis and I'm kind of 603 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 4: hoping he pulls me or pulls me over. I have 604 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 4: those classic plates on and we can we can have 605 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 4: have a little chat. 606 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: I think you'll I think you'll lose the argument, though, 607 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 2: I really do. 608 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 4: Well, bully, he's gonna pull me over for being too slow. 609 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 4: He's probably gonna think I'm stoned. 610 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: Right. Oh my gosh, all right, listen, I'm out of time. 611 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: But as as always, it's it's it's fun talking about Frank. 612 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: I appreciate the call, sir. You'd be safe out there, 613 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 2: and we're happy to catch you among the Car Doctor family. 614 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 2: A five five five six o nine zero zero. We 615 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 2: are back right after this. Yeah, I tell you, where'd 616 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: this hour go? Holy how you're blinking? It's over. We 617 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: won't be over in another hour. We got another hour 618 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: to do yet, but just it flies by if anybody's interested. 619 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: By the way, I wanted to point out that, yes, 620 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: the Deputy Frank Slope interview which we did last week, 621 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: is now up on iHeart or any of the podcast platforms. 622 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: Just go Google search Ron and Enie and the Car 623 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: Doctor and you'll look. You'll see we have I think 624 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 2: he was hour two of last week and you'll see that. 625 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 2: You know, we've got it listed Deputy Frank Slope Interview 626 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: and it's all there in its completeness, and you know, 627 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 2: just enjoy it. And you know, we we get a 628 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: lot of requests for that. And as as truck And said, 629 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 2: you know, he's a celebrity out there. He's a celebrity. 630 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: Here too, because he was great. He just provided good, 631 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 2: timely information. I really enjoyed his comment about teaching young 632 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: people to drive, and I thought it was so spot on. 633 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: A lot of what Frank said is so spot on, 634 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: but this one really struck home when he said, if 635 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 2: you're teaching young people to drive, hire a driving instructor 636 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: because what mom and dad say is not sometimes listened to. 637 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 2: And you put somebody in a position of authority that can, 638 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 2: you know, used to explaining things and the professional and 639 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: doing their job, and you'll turn out a safer driver. 640 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 2: And I think that is one hundred percent you know, 641 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: the way to think, because it's it's it's a concern 642 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 2: right there's you know. One of the things I got 643 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 2: out of the interview with Frank was the speed of 644 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 2: the cars today. It's so easy to speed. You look down, 645 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: you don't realize it. It's effortless to drive. The newer 646 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 2: cars that just cruise along. They'll cruise it eighty ninety 647 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: miles an hour all day long. And they're so well insulated, 648 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 2: some of them, and they're so suspension and the way 649 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: you're sort of ensconced in a cocoon there, you don't 650 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: realize how fast you're going, and you really have to 651 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 2: pay attention. And I'm going to tell you something. That 652 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: interview with Frank has made me a better driver. It's 653 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 2: made me more conscious, more aware. I look at these 654 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 2: left hand turns now and I think about it. I 655 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 2: think about that young lady that got clocked ninety two 656 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: in the school zone and somebody made a left hand 657 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 2: turn and put her in the hospital and maybe worse. 658 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 2: You know, it's just it was a good interview, it 659 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 2: really was. But you'll find it up on iHeart at 660 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: the podcast platform. Just look for Ronning any and the 661 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: Card Doctor and look for Deputy Slope. I'm Ronning Annie 662 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: in the Card Doctor till the next time. Good mechanics 663 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 2: aren't expensive, They're priceless. See Doctor Carr Advice to write