WEBVTT - The Breakfast Club Debates The 'Colored' Conversation: Is It Offensive?

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<v Speaker 1>It's topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Times called eight hundred and five eight five five one

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about it morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody's dj n V Charlamagne the guy we ought to

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<v Speaker 3>breakfast Club. Now we're taking your calls eight hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>During front page news, we were talking about Arizona Republican

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<v Speaker 3>reference to black Americans as colored people.

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<v Speaker 1>Was his name?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know his name. Let's let's play the audio.

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<v Speaker 5>Mister chairman, though that was unbelievably inspiring. My amendment has

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<v Speaker 5>nothing to do with whether or not colored people or

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<v Speaker 5>black people or anybody can serve. Okay, that has nothing

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<v Speaker 5>to do with costaking any of that stuff. What we

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<v Speaker 5>want to preserve and maintain is the fact that our

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<v Speaker 5>military does not become a social experiment. We want the

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<v Speaker 5>best of the best. We want to have standards that

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<v Speaker 5>guide who who's in, what unit, what they do. And

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to tell you guys right right now, the Russians,

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<v Speaker 5>the Chinese, the Iranians, the North Koreans, they are not

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<v Speaker 5>they are not doing this because they want the strongest

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<v Speaker 5>military possible.

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<v Speaker 6>I'd like to be recognized to have the words colored

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<v Speaker 6>people stricken from the record. I find it offensive and

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<v Speaker 6>very inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 5>Is a general lady asking for unanimous consents to take

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<v Speaker 5>down the words.

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<v Speaker 6>I am asking for unanimous consent to take down the

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<v Speaker 6>words of referring to me or any of my colleagues

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<v Speaker 6>as colored people.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, the congressman the name is Eli Krank, Eli Krane

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<v Speaker 7>is that name. Look, I'm not saying that colored people

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<v Speaker 7>is not offensive because everything is about context. So there's

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<v Speaker 7>absolutely a context with colored people can be offensive. But

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think that was one of those times. And

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<v Speaker 7>if colored people is offensive, then we need to have

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<v Speaker 7>a meeting. Because we use colored people all the time

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<v Speaker 7>in various ways. We say people of color, and people

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<v Speaker 7>of color is just saying colored people with better grammar.

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<v Speaker 7>NAACP is the National Association for the Advancement of Color.

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<v Speaker 7>The people hell in the ways intro they say we're

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<v Speaker 7>happy and we're singing, and we're colored. So all I'm

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<v Speaker 7>saying is if color is offensive, colored people is offensive,

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<v Speaker 7>then we need to have a meeting and revise some things,

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<v Speaker 7>don't you think?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean the Waynes brothers are black, so they

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<v Speaker 3>can say color just like they can say the N

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<v Speaker 3>word if they can say it if they want, But

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to anybody on the outside race using it,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like it. I think it's offensive and if

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<v Speaker 3>people don't like it, it just doesn't feel right.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't sit right with me.

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<v Speaker 7>When I just why people of color when they say people,

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<v Speaker 7>when they refer to us in brown people as people

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<v Speaker 7>of color, because that's just saying color colored people with

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<v Speaker 7>better grandma.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't really hear people say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Say it.

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<v Speaker 4>People here say black people.

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<v Speaker 1>I say everybody's people of color.

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<v Speaker 4>People do you meet?

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<v Speaker 1>People of color is used every day. They use that

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<v Speaker 1>term all the time.

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<v Speaker 7>They lumpus all it and they be like people of

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<v Speaker 7>color diversity and.

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<v Speaker 3>In when they say people of color, they usually you

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<v Speaker 3>they mean what black people, They mean brown people. They

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<v Speaker 3>can mean Indian people, that could mean Spanish people, It

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<v Speaker 3>could mean so many different people.

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<v Speaker 4>But colored people means black people.

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<v Speaker 3>When you true, when you refer to let's say somebody's

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<v Speaker 3>and it's just somebody Indian or somebody, they don't them

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<v Speaker 3>as colored people.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, color people is referred to as black.

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<v Speaker 7>My point is people of color, colored people, it's the

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<v Speaker 7>same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just using better grammar.

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<v Speaker 3>But if people are offended by it, people are offended

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<v Speaker 3>by it, maybe shouldn't say it seemed like and I

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<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying, discuss every other organizational group. If

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<v Speaker 3>they say they offended by it, people stop using it.

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<v Speaker 3>The LGBTQ community is there were words that we would

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<v Speaker 3>say back in the eighties that that would refer to like,

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<v Speaker 3>for instance, homosexual. Right now, I don't think I can

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<v Speaker 3>use that.

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<v Speaker 4>Term referred to them.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say homosex.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think you make me sit.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes, yes, you can say homosexual this one. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>say homosexual.

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<v Speaker 3>Take the sexual little You can't say that different But

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<v Speaker 3>back then you could or the same thing with a.

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't back then, by the way, I know you couldn't.

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<v Speaker 7>There's never been a time you could just call somebody

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<v Speaker 7>the homosexual without the section.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you don't remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe a little person little person before you would say midgie.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you can't say midge.

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<v Speaker 1>Still say midgie a little person sounds offense.

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<v Speaker 3>Both the little people, well, you all little purpose, so

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<v Speaker 3>you could you know what list all.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm simply saying is And by the way, when people

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<v Speaker 7>are offended, they call their organizations, right, they have their back.

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<v Speaker 7>So if I'm offended by the word colored people, I

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<v Speaker 7>got to call it a National Association for the Advancement

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<v Speaker 7>of Colored People to have my back.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't see how stupid that sounds? Like that?

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<v Speaker 4>All right, well, let's go to the phone lines.

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<v Speaker 3>VIVI and good morning, good morning, how are you. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sorry for laughing and I hate them, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, I'm calling because I disagree with Charlamagne. He's saying, okay.

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<v Speaker 8>First of all, it was establage in nineteen oh nine.

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<v Speaker 8>Back then the term colored was accepted, and not to mention.

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<v Speaker 8>It wasn't exclusively for blacks. It was really for people

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<v Speaker 8>of color.

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<v Speaker 4>And as time.

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<v Speaker 9>Goes on, there are yes. I told, why would you say,

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<v Speaker 9>why would it be called the National Association for.

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<v Speaker 4>The N word? That would even be considered because.

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<v Speaker 8>There are a lot of times are a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm sorry, I guess there are a lot of terms

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<v Speaker 8>that over time become unacceptable, like the term the R word,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, for people to mention illness illnesses over time,

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<v Speaker 8>doctor King.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, back then those words that were okay, let's change,

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<v Speaker 3>and she's talking about okay and we're not talking about

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<v Speaker 3>the word retarding.

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<v Speaker 4>People don't like that word. Now, it's different words, same

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<v Speaker 4>thing with LGBT.

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<v Speaker 7>Can we take a step back for a second. I

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<v Speaker 7>can see that both we all are correct. I don't

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<v Speaker 7>disagree with any of those points. But what I'm simply

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<v Speaker 7>saying is, why do we still call it the NAACP

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<v Speaker 7>didn't Why do we still say people of color?

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 9>What should we change it to?

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know what should we change it to.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm just saying it just feels crazy because this is

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<v Speaker 7>an established organization.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been around for over one hundred years, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to change it now, it just wouldn't sound right.

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<v Speaker 7>You actually don't said. We're saying that colored people is offensive?

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<v Speaker 7>Why wouldn't we change And you're telling me that over

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<v Speaker 7>time colored people has gotten more offensive. Why wouldn't we

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<v Speaker 7>tell them to change the name of the organization?

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<v Speaker 4>We should?

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<v Speaker 6>Then?

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<v Speaker 4>Hello? Who's this?

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<v Speaker 10>This is Kim?

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<v Speaker 4>Hey Kim, good morning? What's your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 10>I completely disagree, But what Charlamagne is talking about, Chela me.

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<v Speaker 10>You have got to take a second and think about

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<v Speaker 10>the words that you're saying. You're listening to respond, but

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<v Speaker 10>you're not listening to understand. If the NAAP was started

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<v Speaker 10>in nineteen o nine, it makes perfectly good sense. The

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<v Speaker 10>context text of the word matters. Like how he was

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<v Speaker 10>saying it was in a derogatory manner. It's the same

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<v Speaker 10>way we use the N word in our culture. It's

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<v Speaker 10>accepted within our culture, but we know surely when somebody's

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<v Speaker 10>saying it in a negative way. So you can't just

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<v Speaker 10>keep saying, oh, this organization uses it. So why is

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<v Speaker 10>it defensive?

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<v Speaker 6>Offensive?

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<v Speaker 10>Is absolutely offensive the way it was focused.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that makes sense? Said?

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<v Speaker 10>It makes perfectly this.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, So let me ask you a question. We're saying

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<v Speaker 7>that the term colored people is offensive, right, You're saying that.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm saying, and the context that it was used and

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<v Speaker 10>the way it was used was offensive.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think the context that he used it in

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<v Speaker 7>on that floor is defensive. I think there is a

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<v Speaker 7>way that that word can be used in the context

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<v Speaker 7>that offensive, but not the way he used it just

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<v Speaker 7>now on.

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<v Speaker 3>That floor eight hundred five A five, one oh five one.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna take more calls if you're just joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>Arizona Republican h He was on the House floor and

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<v Speaker 3>referred to black Americans as colored people, were asking what

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<v Speaker 3>your thoughts will play the audio when we come back.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the breakfast Club.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, it's topic time.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight hundred five five one five one to join it

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<v Speaker 2>to the discussion with the breakfast Club.

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<v Speaker 3>Warning everybody, it's DJ Envy Charlamagne the gud.

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<v Speaker 4>We are the breakfast Club.

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<v Speaker 3>If he's just joining us, we're talking about Arizona Republican

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<v Speaker 3>on the House floor refer to black Americans as coming

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<v Speaker 3>Eli Crane, Eli Crane, And here's the audio.

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<v Speaker 5>Mister chairman, though that was unbelievably inspiring. My amendment has

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<v Speaker 5>nothing to do with whether or not colored people or

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<v Speaker 5>black people or anybody can serve. Okay, that has nothing

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<v Speaker 5>to do with speak and any of that stuff. What

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<v Speaker 5>we want to preserve and maintain is the fact that

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<v Speaker 5>our military does not become.

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<v Speaker 1>You can stop it right there and listen.

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<v Speaker 7>Colored people absolutely can be offensive, but everything is about context.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, there's absolutely a context. But colored people can

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<v Speaker 7>be offensive. I don't think that was one of those times.

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<v Speaker 7>And once again I'm gonna keep saying this. If colored

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<v Speaker 7>people is now offensive, then we need to have a

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<v Speaker 7>meeting about the term people. Of color, because that's just

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<v Speaker 7>saying colored people with better grammar. And we definitely need

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<v Speaker 7>to have a conversation about the National Association for the

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<v Speaker 7>Advancement of Colored People.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the term when you refer to Jewish people,

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<v Speaker 3>right and you take off that's all that'sh Right. But

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<v Speaker 3>for years people would just say, hey, the so and

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<v Speaker 3>so live in that area. It wasn't supposed to mean derogatory.

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<v Speaker 3>It was how people would say it. Then we realized

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<v Speaker 3>that they didn't like it, So we don't say that word.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we say Jewish.

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<v Speaker 7>But no, it's still a context of that too, though,

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<v Speaker 7>because you know, you can say I remember, we had

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<v Speaker 7>the head of the ADL up here, Jonathan Green Black,

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<v Speaker 7>and we talked about that and he said, it's all

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<v Speaker 7>about context because there's like you can say that word

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<v Speaker 7>shortened in a negative thing. We don't even say the

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<v Speaker 7>word because we don't.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't necessarily amid trying not to practice bad appen

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<v Speaker 3>because we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, I've been trying to stop

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<v Speaker 1>saying the N word for he is that's a damn

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<v Speaker 1>line I have.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you said any word the other day.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you be acting like one. I try not to

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<v Speaker 1>say it, but I can't think of no other words.

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<v Speaker 4>See, let's go to the fold lines. Hello, who's this? Hey,

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<v Speaker 4>hey Shan, good morning. What's your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 8>So I'm not against color, that's because women have different

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<v Speaker 8>beautiful colored children. But I do think we need to

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<v Speaker 8>look at the word minority a little bit, just because

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<v Speaker 8>what's the minorities majority?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 8>While we left the hand, you know, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Mean, that's just the numbers thing. I get what she's saying,

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<v Speaker 7>but it's just the numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>Minority means is we're lower numbers as opposed to the

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<v Speaker 3>majority of the people, which is but if.

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<v Speaker 7>You put all the color together, we're the majority.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, all the colors together with the majority? Key, what's up?

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<v Speaker 4>King? You talk to us?

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<v Speaker 1>Brother?

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<v Speaker 9>What's up? And I wanted to talk about that color thing.

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<v Speaker 9>So what I noticed so is like I'm rolling with you,

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<v Speaker 9>remain on this one, because what I notice is every

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<v Speaker 9>morning you guys play like this thing from the from

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<v Speaker 9>the wayans brothers or they say we're happy and we're single.

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<v Speaker 7>That word singing singing singing. We're not sing were singing,

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<v Speaker 7>we're singing.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, we're singing, But that's what I'm but that's what

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<v Speaker 9>I'm saying. It's like like if we if we go

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<v Speaker 9>like you know, take afense to some of these words,

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<v Speaker 9>and we gotta take it out, like people talking about

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<v Speaker 9>the nuble a DP, we gotta change that too, and

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<v Speaker 9>then we got to stop playing that stuff, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>in the morning and and all of that, and we're

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<v Speaker 9>gonna be taking offense to it. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's common sense to me, my brother, but

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<v Speaker 7>you know, common sense ain't common nowadays.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you, Hello, who's this?

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<v Speaker 4>Heye? Good wing to talk to us?

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<v Speaker 11>Good morning? Of all I think and these rights, it's

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<v Speaker 11>the fealing number one number two. So many some people

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<v Speaker 11>who we perceive don't like us, and it sounds like

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<v Speaker 11>a label when they say it. When we speak about it,

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<v Speaker 11>it's act, but when they speak about it, it's a label.

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<v Speaker 11>Just like Jewish people, you know what I'm saying, But

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<v Speaker 11>you say Jewish, it's derogatory.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, But those organizations, those people also don't have organizations

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<v Speaker 7>named after their slurs. So if color people is indeed

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<v Speaker 7>a slur, like we have the National Association for the

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<v Speaker 7>Advancement of Colored People.

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<v Speaker 11>We're describing ourselves.

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<v Speaker 7>So why shouldn't somebody else describe us in that way?

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<v Speaker 7>Like I'm trying to fact, I'm just no what.

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<v Speaker 11>They say they're labeled, when us, that's a label?

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<v Speaker 1>So what is people of color?

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<v Speaker 10>To us?

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<v Speaker 1>What is people of color?

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<v Speaker 11>People of color? We're describing ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you think that's just colored people with better grammar?

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<v Speaker 4>No, because colored people, black people.

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<v Speaker 3>People of color is black, it's brown people, it's Indian people.

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<v Speaker 4>People, color Indian people people.

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<v Speaker 1>But colored people is as well, colored.

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<v Speaker 4>People, color people is described as black.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>When you say a colored person, nobody ever think it

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<v Speaker 3>was a Latino. If you say color person, nobody ever

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<v Speaker 3>think it was Indian.

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<v Speaker 1>That's y'all for being stupid. Colored people people, let me

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<v Speaker 1>pull look up colored people.

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<v Speaker 11>You're as well. We do need to have a conversation

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<v Speaker 11>about changing those.

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<v Speaker 1>The term color the term colored.

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<v Speaker 7>In British usage, the term refers to a person who

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<v Speaker 7>is wholly or partly of non white descent, that is

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<v Speaker 7>not just black people, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 6>Man?

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<v Speaker 1>Seriously, what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 8>Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are we acting so silly here?

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<v Speaker 5>Huh?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I mean the more those stories, what I said earlier.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not saying that colored people is not offensive. Anything

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<v Speaker 7>can be offensive, right, because everything is about context. So

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<v Speaker 7>there's absolutely a context where colored people can be offensive.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think that guy using it on the floor

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<v Speaker 7>was one of those times.

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<v Speaker 1>But on another.

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<v Speaker 7>Note, if colored people is offensive, if it is a slur,

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<v Speaker 7>as y'all are trying to tell me this morning, and

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<v Speaker 7>we need to have a meeting because we say people

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<v Speaker 7>of color, and I feel that's just saying colored people

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<v Speaker 7>with better grammar. And we have the NAACP, which is

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<v Speaker 7>the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. We

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<v Speaker 7>need to have a meeting and revise some things, don't

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<v Speaker 7>you think, Right well, we could discuss especially if especially

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<v Speaker 7>when y'all keep saying, well it was we created that

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<v Speaker 7>word back in nineteen oh nine, but over time it

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<v Speaker 7>seemed to be a bad word, all the more reason

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<v Speaker 7>we probably should revise some things.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I'm just simply saying, like, what do we were

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<v Speaker 7>arguing about something that seems very common sense to me?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, well, let's get to the rumor. Let's

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<v Speaker 4>talk about big color then.

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<v Speaker 1>BBC it was actually big black, yes, but it's not color.

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<v Speaker 4>But but I changed it.

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<v Speaker 1>The colors that you like, BCC, big color, BCC.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, we're gonna talk about BCC's when we come back.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, you got very excited about that.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll get to a nexus the Breakfast logan more