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Speaker 2: Welcome in What Driving the Great Episode two eighteen. We
Speaker 2: haven't been on in a week and a half. I've
Speaker 2: traveled halfway around the world. We've had a ton to do.
Speaker 2: I got to see diora former What's Right co hosts,
Speaker 2: perform in a great plague at UC Santa Cruz wearing
Speaker 2: their gear. Went to Japan, saw some awesome castles. If
Speaker 2: you listen to my wife tell the story, I was
Speaker 2: so excited about seeing one of these castles that I
Speaker 2: almost teared up about it. Maybe we'll get into that
Speaker 2: later in the show. While I was gone, Lebron James
Speaker 2: scored his forty thousandth point, and I know it makes
Speaker 2: me lame to care about it, even though Michael Jordan
Speaker 2: once one a time got an on court trophy for
Speaker 2: scoring his thirty thousandth point, even though he was the
Speaker 2: fourth guy to do it. But more on that in
Speaker 2: a moment. First, here's what missed the cut, Adam Schefter,
Speaker 2: further confirming the story we already knew, which is that
Speaker 2: San Francisco didn't even scout Patrick Malmes even though they
Speaker 2: didn't have a quarterback, and they did have the number
Speaker 2: three pick of that draft, Carlos out or number two
Speaker 2: pick of the draft Carlos Alcarez pdra feel Nadal in
Speaker 2: Vegas and Jacksonville Jaguars wish a defensive tackle happy birthday,
Speaker 2: and then they cut him later that day. Demons, how
Speaker 2: are you? I'm doing?
Speaker 3: Good hand complaint.
Speaker 2: You're dressed for your office job instead of the pod today. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know if we're used to seeing
Speaker 2: you in the in the stafford button down if people
Speaker 2: are watching on YouTube.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't even know if I can
Speaker 4: wear the short ins of the office. The button on
Speaker 4: this on the sleeve is broken. I realized that after
Speaker 4: I get in here this morning.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, you can. You just roll it up,
Speaker 2: Just roll it up to the album and you'll be
Speaker 2: totally fine. By the way, speaking of thank you, excited
Speaker 2: to see you. Speaking of YouTube, I was scrolling through
Speaker 2: the iTunes podcast numbers and we have plummeted down the
Speaker 2: ranks because again they like reward new subscriptions. I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but but I have not asked you guys to like
Speaker 2: rate subscriber review in years. We just play at the
Speaker 2: end of every episode. This video I recorded from my
Speaker 2: house I think with a ponytail two years. So I'm
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Speaker 2: rate subscribe review on iTunes, Spotify and on YouTube. Please
Speaker 2: try to juice those numbers as we get going for
Speaker 2: our NBA playoff. Push demons, go ahead and get us
Speaker 2: started if you would.
Speaker 4: Yes, Like you said, Lebron just continues to make history.
Speaker 4: He just scored his forty eight thousand points as forty
Speaker 4: one thousand points.
Speaker 3: I should say, but is one.
Speaker 4: Of the biggest reasons that you've been the huge Lebron
Speaker 4: support you've been is because of his consistency.
Speaker 3: Like it still seems like he's got a lot more
Speaker 3: in the tank.
Speaker 2: To be honest, Well, listen, we know he's the best
Speaker 2: old player ever, and we know he was the best
Speaker 2: teenager ever, and these things are not even in dispute.
Speaker 2: But I yesterday on TV we said that, you know,
Speaker 2: we didn't want to have a big goat debate about this,
Speaker 2: and then it turned into a big goat debate, and
Speaker 2: I got very frustrated with it because, as you guys know,
Speaker 2: and we did a wh whole anthology series on it.
Speaker 2: I think there are three guys who have credible arguments
Speaker 2: for the greatest player of all time, Michael Jordan, Kareem
Speaker 2: Abdul Jabbar, Lebron James. I think if anybody and we should,
Speaker 2: we should flip the rundown on the left hand side.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do Lebron stuff first, and then the Russ
Speaker 2: if you're watching on YouTube. But I think anybody that
Speaker 2: is going to argue adamantly that any of those three
Speaker 2: should be dismissed out of hand is being intellectually dishonest.
Speaker 2: I'm not a Jordan guy. I understand the argument. I
Speaker 2: personally think that Lebron, I'm sorry that Kareem gets the
Speaker 2: total short end of the stick. I don't think he's
Speaker 2: the greatest ever, but he has a hell of a case,
Speaker 2: and if you expand it past what they did in
Speaker 2: the NBA, he probably is the best case. But even
Speaker 2: just for NBA, of the three contenders, nobody has more rings,
Speaker 2: nobody has more MVPs, nobody has more, does Kaream have
Speaker 2: nine or ten finals appearances? Lebron might have more finals appearances,
Speaker 2: but there and up until a year ago, nobody had
Speaker 2: more points. So I think there's a credible argument for him,
Speaker 2: and obviously I think there is a lengthy, credible argument
Speaker 2: for Lebron. What is so frustrating to me is so
Speaker 2: many of the folks who believe it's Jordan, which is
Speaker 2: an obviously legitimate position to hold, argue their case in
Speaker 2: such an illegitimate manner. They argue their case, and in
Speaker 2: my opinion, such an intellectually dishonest manner, where things that
Speaker 2: counted for Jordan if you count them for Lebron, they
Speaker 2: scoff at it. And I'll use the forty thousand, thirty
Speaker 2: thousand points thing as an example. Michael Jordan got an
Speaker 2: it was flying around Twitter yesterday, a trophy this big
Speaker 2: about the size of the Larry O'Brien trophy for getting
Speaker 2: to thirty thousand points when at the when he got there,
Speaker 2: Carl Malone was already there, Wilt was already there, Kareem
Speaker 2: was already there. A stop the game, take the trophy
Speaker 2: moment for thirty thousand, Lebron gets to forty and people like, oh,
Speaker 2: or you're not seriously gonna make this part of the
Speaker 2: goat debate, are you. Well, it's part of it. But
Speaker 2: the other so Brew on the show yesterday said listen,
Speaker 2: we don't do goats by longevity. We do goats by peak,
Speaker 2: And I actually disagree. I think it is a tapestry.
Speaker 2: I think it is all of the above to a degree.
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of people would argue Randy
Speaker 2: Moss had a higher peak than Jerry Rice, but it
Speaker 2: was close. They're two peaks, and Rice's longevity is so
Speaker 2: demonstrably better. He's universally regarded as the goat wide receiver.
Speaker 2: So I think it's all of the above is how
Speaker 2: we do it. But when we say, okay, let's talk peaks,
Speaker 2: and this is where the Jordan folks, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: are dishonest. What is peak. We're talking one season, because
Speaker 2: there is no single season Michael Jordan ever had better
Speaker 2: than Lebron James's twenty thirteen season. It doesn't exist. In
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, for Lebron James, he was the league MVP,
Speaker 2: he was the Finals MVP. He had a damn near
Speaker 2: perfect game six of the Finals down three to two,
Speaker 2: and then a perfect game seven of the finals thirty
Speaker 2: seven and twelve and the game winning jump shot over
Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard and oh yeah, by the way, during that
Speaker 2: year they had a twenty seven game winning streak and
Speaker 2: he was three votes away from winning Defensive Player of
Speaker 2: the Year. There is fine the Jordans season that matches
Speaker 2: that you can't people like, Oh but Michael Jordan won
Speaker 2: MVP and Defensive Player of the Year in the same
Speaker 2: year he did in a year he did not even
Speaker 2: make it to the finals, let alone win the championship.
Speaker 2: So when are we talking Jordan's peak? Are we talking
Speaker 2: one year? Then Lebron's peak was higher? Are we talking
Speaker 2: two years? Well, then it's gonna be an argument, because
Speaker 2: Lebron James in twelve and thirteen, when one he damn
Speaker 2: near shot sixty percent from the field, won back to
Speaker 2: back league MVPs, back to back finals MVPs, beat two
Speaker 2: all time teams in those NBA finals, with seven Hall
Speaker 2: of Famers on those teams between them. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Seems pretty good that. Now does that match up to
Speaker 2: Jordan's two year peak? They're at least equivalent Jordan ninety
Speaker 2: two to ninety three with a couple of league Well,
Speaker 2: actually that was only one league MVP now I think
Speaker 2: of it, because Barkley's won at ninety three, Jordan probably
Speaker 2: should have two finals MVPs. They're at least close. Three
Speaker 2: year peak. That goes to Jordan. Lebron never won three
Speaker 2: MVPs in a row. Jordan did neither. But Lebron never
Speaker 2: won three titles in a row. Jordan did. Four year peak.
Speaker 2: Now it tilts back to Lebron. James, Wait, what do
Speaker 2: you mean, Nick Well? Four years? What four years are
Speaker 2: we talking about your Oh? Nick, you mean you're holding
Speaker 2: against Michael Jordan when he didn't play. Yes, not holding
Speaker 2: against it, I mean, but it is. It is. And
Speaker 2: this is where I say people are dishonest. People will
Speaker 2: then say that you are being dishonest if you count
Speaker 2: years in the order in which they happened on the calendar.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, that is crazy. You're gonna count nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety four. It's like, well, it wasn't mythical, it existed. Well,
Speaker 2: that's ludicrous to do that five year, four year peak.
Speaker 2: Though maybe you could argue jordan five year peak. You
Speaker 2: can't find me Jordan's best five years, and you're going
Speaker 2: to likely go eighty nine to ninety three. You could
Speaker 2: go ninety four to ninety eight, but then you have
Speaker 2: to include the year Shack and Penny beat him in
Speaker 2: round two, which again, I know you're not allowed to
Speaker 2: talk about that year. That year didn't happen, but it
Speaker 2: really did. The games were on TV and everything. You
Speaker 2: could bet on them, you could watch them. I know
Speaker 2: there is a whole generation of people that have been
Speaker 2: tricked into believing it's this weird thing where it's like,
Speaker 2: you can't mention those two years that Jordan didn't win
Speaker 2: the title in the middle of the six rings, but
Speaker 2: they can say he would have won eight in a
Speaker 2: row if he didn't quit. But one of those years
Speaker 2: they're saying he would have won the title, he did
Speaker 2: play and lost to a team that didn't even go
Speaker 2: win the title. They got swept. But you find me
Speaker 2: a better five year peak than Lebron James from twelve
Speaker 2: to sixteen, twenty twelve, NBA Champion League MVP Finals MVP
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, twenty seven game winning streak, NBA Or League
Speaker 2: MVP Finals MVP twenty fourteen, shot fifty eight percent from
Speaker 2: the field in the finals fifty to forty nine, fifty
Speaker 2: percent from three and the guy guarding him one Finals MVP.
Speaker 2: The next year thirty six, thirteen to nine in the
Speaker 2: NBA Finals with Matthew Delavadova as his second best player
Speaker 2: on his team and the guy guarding him one Finals MVP,
Speaker 2: and the next year three to one comeback on a
Speaker 2: seventy three win team. You find me a better five
Speaker 2: year run? Find it? I'm excited to see it. But
Speaker 2: it doesn't exist. So what are we talking? Peak? So
Speaker 2: the point I am making there is the peak argument
Speaker 2: Lebron Michael is at least one that can be debated.
Speaker 2: Define peak. If it's one year, it's Lebron. If it's
Speaker 2: two year, it's probably a tie. If it's three year,
Speaker 2: it's Jordan. If it's four year, and you go by
Speaker 2: actual years on the calendar, it's clearly Lebron. If you
Speaker 2: go by years, Michael Jordan would count, then it's Jordan.
Speaker 2: We go back and forth with it. If it's ten years,
Speaker 2: it's clearly Lebron. But then's probably not peak, except for
Speaker 2: Lebron's peak really was ten years because he won his
Speaker 2: first title in twenty twelve and his last title in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, so that's a decade stretch. But set that aside.
Speaker 2: So peak is an argument. Longevity is not extended excellence
Speaker 2: is not that the gap between Lebron James and Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan career points is greater than the gap between Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan and Reggie Miller career points. Lebron is gonna finish
Speaker 2: probably he's right now fourth. He's probably gonna finish second,
Speaker 2: at least third in assists something. Jordan's not in the
Speaker 2: top thirty. On the longevity piece of it, Lebron's gonna
Speaker 2: finish with double double the all nbas So if one
Speaker 2: piece of the argument is an argument and the other
Speaker 2: is not, but then what you decide is those things
Speaker 2: don't count. And this is where the argument becomes frustrating
Speaker 2: for me. If someone were to say the twenty eleven
Speaker 2: finals is disqualifying for Lebron. I disagree with it, but
Speaker 2: I'll listen to it. But if I say the fact
Speaker 2: that Michael Jordan played five years of his career without
Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen and all five years was below five hundred,
Speaker 2: should that be disqualifying? People just react like you spit
Speaker 2: at him, like, oh, you're gonna bring up the Wizard's ears.
Speaker 2: I don't know, guys, was he playing. Was he younger
Speaker 2: when he started with the Wizards than Lebron is right now?
Speaker 2: So I don't know. At one point people would say, oh,
Speaker 2: you're gonna bring up his first few years in the NBA. Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know, because Michael as a rookie was the
Speaker 2: same age Lebron was when he was in the NBA
Speaker 2: Finals carrying Booby Gibson and the seven Calves to those
Speaker 2: finals at twenty two years old. Oh you're gonna use
Speaker 2: twenty two year old Jordan the fact he wasn't about
Speaker 2: five hundred against him. You use the fact that twenty
Speaker 2: two year old Lebron lost in the NBA finals against him.
Speaker 2: He's not four and six without dragging that tea there.
Speaker 2: I just want an honest discussion and if for and
Speaker 2: if the answer is it's about rings. The whole point
Speaker 2: of the sport is about championships. Michael has six, Lebron
Speaker 2: has four. Shut up, I don't want to hear it. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's fine. Then let's talk about Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Can
Speaker 2: we let's talk about him? Because how many rings? Does
Speaker 2: he have? Six? What did he how did he look
Speaker 2: right at the beginning of his career before he got
Speaker 2: Magic Johnson? I don't know. Year two, he was the
Speaker 2: league MVP, he was the scoring champion, was the finals MVP.
Speaker 2: He was the best player on maybe the best team ever.
Speaker 2: Pretty good, This is pretty good. What was his longevity? Well,
Speaker 2: he played twenty one seasons. How good was he at
Speaker 2: the end? Well, I don't know. In nineteen eighty eight
Speaker 2: NBA Finals, the game win play of the most important
Speaker 2: game was drawn up for him, and he drew and
Speaker 2: he drew the fall and hit the two free throws.
Speaker 2: So he's pretty good at that age. Three years older
Speaker 2: than George, two years older than Michael was when he
Speaker 2: was limped around for the Wizards. So if we want
Speaker 2: to just, oh, how many points Michael was the greatest
Speaker 2: scorer ever? Does he have as many points as scream
Speaker 2: nose about five thousand short. Oh that's odd, Well, Michael
Speaker 2: was Michael's apex was the highest. Does he have the
Speaker 2: most MVPs? No, actually, Kaream has six and Kaream won
Speaker 2: his six in his first ten years. What was that peak?
Speaker 2: I don't know, pretty high, just kept winning him How
Speaker 2: long was Kareem's peak? While he won a finals MVP
Speaker 2: in year two and a finals MVP in year fifteen?
Speaker 2: And uh welles, how did Kaream deal with the pressures
Speaker 2: of being in the league. Well, I don't know. He
Speaker 2: was a black Muslim revolutionary in the nineteen seventies, changed
Speaker 2: his name, got death threats, and soldiered on for twenty years,
Speaker 2: didn't take any breaks from the sport, kept playing. So
Speaker 2: you want to have a real argument, let's have the
Speaker 2: real argument. If you want to change the argument too,
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan is the greatest ever, and the way every
Speaker 2: other basketball player ever will be judged will be how
Speaker 2: close are they to Jordan? Then that's fine, but just
Speaker 2: be honest that that's what you're doing, because that is
Speaker 2: part of the Kobe as great as he was, part
Speaker 2: of the Kobe legend is not that Kobe was even
Speaker 2: better than Tim Duncan, which he wasn't. Kobe's an All timer,
Speaker 2: the very close Duncan was better. It was Kobe is
Speaker 2: the closest we've ever seen to Jordan, And for some
Speaker 2: people that means Kobe is the next player. But the
Speaker 2: goal is to not be Michael Jordan. The goal is
Speaker 2: to be the best player possible. And the thirty nine
Speaker 2: year old who's on twenty straight years of twenty five
Speaker 2: points per game, who's on twenty one straight All Star teams,
Speaker 2: who's on twenty consecutive All nbas, that guy who we
Speaker 2: saw in last season against the team that the eventual
Speaker 2: champs play all forty eight minutes in Game four of
Speaker 2: the Conference finals, that guy to dismiss it and say, oh,
Speaker 2: he's a compiler. You're not compiling if you're still great.
Speaker 2: If Lebron was just like, I'm in your twenty seven
Speaker 2: averaging eleven a night at him up, is that what's happening.
Speaker 2: He's the best player on a team that made the
Speaker 2: conference finals a year ago. So I just so, does
Speaker 2: forty thousand points matter? I don't know. It used to
Speaker 2: when nobody thought it was gonna happen. Kareem's record mattered
Speaker 2: so much more when people thought Michael or Kobe might
Speaker 2: get it, and then when they didn't, it's like, Eh,
Speaker 2: what does it? You know, what does it really mean?
Speaker 2: At once upon a time it meant some. And as
Speaker 2: far as this idea of will anyone ever catch it?
Speaker 2: All it would take to get to forget catch Lebron,
Speaker 2: because he's still adding to it. If someone demands walked
Speaker 2: into the league today and from the first game of
Speaker 2: their career averaged thirty five points per game, all they
Speaker 2: would have to do to get to forty thousand points
Speaker 2: is play seventy games a year every year, never get hurt,
Speaker 2: average thirty five a night, and play for sixteen seasons
Speaker 2: and they'll get there. So good luck. So how did
Speaker 2: Lebron get to forty thousand? Be the youngest great player ever?
Speaker 2: Be the oldest great player ever, never get hurt? Be
Speaker 2: the most consistent offensive force over twenty years the league's
Speaker 2: ever seen. And while you're doing it, go ahead and
Speaker 2: become you know, third or fourth all time and assists.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, man, he wasn't six for six,
Speaker 2: which by the way, neither was Michael. But of course
Speaker 2: he was, if you just don't count those other nine years.
Speaker 2: Matt Ford, our great producer, was worried before the show
Speaker 2: because I was a little draw withdrawn quiet, and I
Speaker 2: don't think he knew if I was gonna have They
Speaker 2: thought it. Maybe I was a little jet lagged coming
Speaker 2: out of Japan. Didn't know if I was gonna have
Speaker 2: the juice. I was just trying to psych myself up
Speaker 2: for what I knew was gonna be, like a twenty
Speaker 2: minute rant and trying to nail it. And I'm happy
Speaker 2: with it. I'm happy with it. I don't know how
Speaker 2: we're so. This is one of the weaknesses of this
Speaker 2: show's growth on social media is my best stuff goes
Speaker 2: too long. I'm not great in ninety seconds. I need
Speaker 2: a good fourteen to eighteen minutes to really get I'm
Speaker 2: like more of a stew than like a ramen noodle.
Speaker 2: I need a real slow roast to get going. But
Speaker 2: once it does, it can it can cook.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, pal, Sorry, So basically, Kaream's the goat.
Speaker 2: You know what, if you want to I'm I'm okay
Speaker 2: with the argument. I'm okay with the argument. And Kareem,
Speaker 2: by the way, if the question is best basketball life. Kareem,
Speaker 2: who won the state title every year, lost once in
Speaker 2: high school, went to UCLA his freshman year UCLA back then,
Speaker 2: freshman couldn't play. The varsity team won the national championship,
Speaker 2: but his freshman team beat them in practice, and then
Speaker 2: he took over, you know, his sophomore year. Three years,
Speaker 2: three national championships, two total losses, three tournament MVPs, three
Speaker 2: Player of the Years, and then walks into the NBA
Speaker 2: in year two, scores thirty five a night, wins league
Speaker 2: MVP and finals MVP, and then year twenty is still
Speaker 2: getting buckets in the NBA finals. You want to argue
Speaker 2: that guy's the goat, I'm fine with it, but I
Speaker 2: don't know, man, he has a few finals losses, so
Speaker 2: those might be disqualifying. Give me a break, all right,
Speaker 2: what's next?
Speaker 3: Two total losses in college? That's insane.
Speaker 2: The guy, the guy in high school in college won
Speaker 2: the won the state or national championship seven times and
Speaker 2: lost three games. Play no, I mean it was bananas.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, all right? So UH went on to a
Speaker 3: lighter subject or I guess, however you want to look
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 4: The Broncos and Russell Wilson seem to be splitsville this
Speaker 4: coming Monday. The Russell Wilson trade might go down as
Speaker 4: one of the worst trades ever. But do you think
Speaker 4: there's any team out there that can Obviously the trade
Speaker 4: is gonna leave the Broncos with a bunch of dead
Speaker 4: cap space. I think it's eighty three million over the
Speaker 4: course of like four more years or three more.
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, they got it. The dead cap they
Speaker 2: got to eat over too. The contract would have gone
Speaker 2: another five but the dead cap it's it's forty it's
Speaker 2: eighty five million over the next two years, so they
Speaker 2: got to eat that over the next two I think
Speaker 2: it's thirty nine and forty six. But go ahead, Okay, do.
Speaker 4: You think there's a team out there that can resurrect
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson's career?
Speaker 2: You see him going, No, not resurrect it. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot here. So just some kind of nerdy cap
Speaker 2: machinations of this here. So demanse Russell's contract has these
Speaker 2: things called offsets. So this is no, this is actually
Speaker 2: gonna be it's it's useful information that is probably it's
Speaker 2: gonna be new to you, but it's also new to
Speaker 2: a lot of the audience. This more so happened in
Speaker 2: coaching contracts, is sometimes happens some player contracts, but it's
Speaker 2: pardon me. It allows Russ to do something intriguing here,
Speaker 2: which is this next season, the Broncos oh Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: thirty nine million dollars in cash. Okay, yeah, they owe him.
Speaker 2: They technically, though, owe him thirty nine million dollars minus
Speaker 2: whatever he gets paid by a team this year. So
Speaker 2: if he if he retires, they owe him the full
Speaker 2: thirty nine million. If he signs with a team for
Speaker 2: ten million bucks, they owe him twenty nine million. So
Speaker 2: the point is this, Russell Wilson can't make more than
Speaker 2: thirty nine million dollars, and he's next year, this next season,
Speaker 2: and he's guaranteed to make exactly thirty nine million dollars.
Speaker 2: So it is in his best interest if he wants
Speaker 2: to stick it to the Broncos and help his next
Speaker 2: team the most, to take the league minimum, which makes
Speaker 2: him an intrigument. He gets the same amount of money
Speaker 2: no matter what. There's no double dipping. So he should play.
Speaker 2: You follow what I'm saying. He should play for the
Speaker 2: league wherever he wants to play. It should be for
Speaker 2: the league minimum for a year, which is gonna give
Speaker 2: him a chance to land somewhat on his feet. So
Speaker 2: the Giants are possibility because I don't know if you saw,
Speaker 2: but they said Daniel Jones or I shouldn't say they
Speaker 2: said report. It was reported that they evidently, you know,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, were able to watch Daniel Jones play.
Speaker 2: It's crazy they couldn't do it before they gave him
Speaker 2: the four for one sixty. It's unbelievable that, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, They just they couldn't quite get around
Speaker 2: to watching Daniel Jones play. But now that they have,
Speaker 2: they're like, oh God, damn, who gave him that contract?
Speaker 2: And then the guy's like you did, sir. He's like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't So we gotta find
Speaker 2: out whose fault this is. I mean. So, so he's
Speaker 2: a possibility. The Vikings maybe because it sounds like Kirk
Speaker 2: might end up in Atlanta and there's so much dumb
Speaker 2: stuff going on the Atlanta Falcons. A year ago, Hey,
Speaker 2: did you guys think about offering them contract? Hell? No,
Speaker 2: why would we do that? You crazy? That type of
Speaker 2: money for that risky of a player, not doing it.
Speaker 2: The Atlanta Falcons right now, thirty six year old Kirk
Speaker 2: Cousins coming off pop to Achilles, man, we can't wait
Speaker 2: to break the bank for him. Some of these teams
Speaker 2: are just so bad at the business. It's just so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But set that aside. So the Steelers I would think
Speaker 2: would be the right fit for us. But the Steelers again,
Speaker 2: and I like Tomlin. All the reporting out of Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: is the Steelers saw Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph play
Speaker 2: last year and they're like, nope, we are good to go, boys.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what's gonna happen. But a lot
Speaker 2: of these teams are just dumb. There is one intriguing
Speaker 2: team that nobody seems to be mentioning. But I would
Speaker 2: If I were running the New England Patriots and I
Speaker 2: have the third pick of the draft, and I have
Speaker 2: now heard the Giants are desperate to move on from
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones and they have the sixth pick of the draft,
Speaker 2: would I, because at the third pick, you're gonna get
Speaker 2: the third available quarterback. If I were in New England,
Speaker 2: would I consider seeing hey Giants to move from six
Speaker 2: to three? Will you give us next year's number one,
Speaker 2: and then we can, you know, move back draft either
Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors or Joe Alt the left tackle or the
Speaker 2: wide receiver at another draft pick, and then sign Russ
Speaker 2: for the league minimum. I would consider that. So there
Speaker 2: are a few possibilities where Russ could end up, but
Speaker 2: he is not guaranteed to be a starter next year,
Speaker 2: and this has cost him any shot he had at
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. This has been a mortifying turn
Speaker 2: of events for him and for the din for Broncos,
Speaker 2: it was as disastrous de monse a trade and contract
Speaker 2: situation as we've ever seen. What do you? What are you?
Speaker 2: What are you laughing about? Hold on, I've got I
Speaker 2: have to know you. Like you seem like you're freaking
Speaker 2: out about something. You just grabbed your hair, Like.
Speaker 3: What's going on in the bad spot? It's not a good.
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't like how your hairline looks? Oh, you
Speaker 2: cover your head. This is another reason subscribe on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Demante thinks the camera angle is He also is kind
Speaker 2: of mad at his last haircut. He thinks the barber
Speaker 2: messed up his hairline, so he's self conscious about it.
Speaker 2: And then he thought there was a weird angle. The
Speaker 2: camera came on us so dense grabbed his hand. I
Speaker 2: was like, what's going on here? I thought it was
Speaker 2: a reaction to my Russell Wilson take. But for the
Speaker 2: Denver Broncos to give up two was it three first
Speaker 2: round picks or two first round picks? I think three
Speaker 2: first round picks, a second round pick, three players in
Speaker 2: a trade for Russell Wilson. And then, and this is
Speaker 2: the part that really hurts. The trade is awful, But
Speaker 2: as the Niners showed, you giving up three first round
Speaker 2: picks for Trey Lance, you can overcome the trade piece
Speaker 2: of it. You can't do what the Broncos and the
Speaker 2: Browns did the trade. Pluss the contract, that's the one
Speaker 2: you can't overcome. And the Broncos what's so baffling is
Speaker 2: Russ had two years left on his deal. When you
Speaker 2: have a quarterback you love, if they have one year left,
Speaker 2: you basically have to extend them. But Russ had two
Speaker 2: years left and hadn't played for him. They're like, nope,
Speaker 2: no problem, will give him the deal, and now they
Speaker 2: are finding themselves cutting him before the deal kicks in.
Speaker 2: It was a five year extension that starts next year
Speaker 2: he's been cut. They paid him one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: four million dollars for these two terrible years, which now
Speaker 2: means if you are looking at the biggest dead cap
Speaker 2: hits in NFL history year by year for a player,
Speaker 2: they are Russell Wilson in twenty twenty five for the
Speaker 2: Broncos is the number one biggest dead cap bit ever,
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson in twenty twenty four for the Broncos is
Speaker 2: the number three biggest dead cap bit ever, and Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson in twenty twenty two for the Seahawks is the
Speaker 2: fifth biggest dead cap hit ever. The only ones in
Speaker 2: between them are Tom Brady, who retired, and Matt Ryan,
Speaker 2: who they were borrowing money, borrowing money, borring money, trying
Speaker 2: to win, and then he got old and it was over.
Speaker 2: That's it. The the the we're splitting up these two.
Speaker 2: But there's never been a player who had a cap
Speaker 2: dead cap hit bigger than forty million dollars until Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson's eighty five million. So it's just an all time
Speaker 2: disaster for everyone involved, and you can't recover from it.
Speaker 2: It is franchise crippling for a half decade it's it
Speaker 2: is the last two years and the next three and
Speaker 2: then maybe you can tear yourself out of it. But
Speaker 2: the problem then is, even then, when you're finally clear
Speaker 2: of the cap and the the the not having a
Speaker 2: quarterback in all of it, you know, three years from now,
Speaker 2: demand who the best players on the Broncos would be
Speaker 2: in a real world, their first round picks from the
Speaker 2: last three years as they hit their prime. But those
Speaker 2: guys don't exist because they traded him for Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: It's a disaster all because they were so frustrated they
Speaker 2: hadn't beat the Chiefs in years. Man, it's so great
Speaker 2: that the Broncos and the Raiders just absolutely lighting their
Speaker 2: franchises on fire and making these rash win now moves
Speaker 2: because they're so frustrated they can't beat the Chiefs. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's so delightful.
Speaker 3: God, Russell Wilson played to have a problem with it
Speaker 3: free money, man.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well here's the thing. But MANI makes this point,
Speaker 2: and he's right. Russell Wilson was rich before this. So
Speaker 2: the money.
Speaker 4: Are you talking about before we got to the Broncos? Obviously, Yeah,
Speaker 4: go ahead, yes, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying before he got to the Broncos, not like in
Speaker 2: the like he came from oil money. I'm saying he
Speaker 2: was when he got to the Broncos. He was already
Speaker 2: rich of course, so that had become normalized. So the
Speaker 2: money doesn't help it that much. Man. I know that
Speaker 2: sounds nobody wants to hear it. But what I and
Speaker 2: I get it the money there is a level of
Speaker 2: pain that people that are actually struggling financially that they
Speaker 2: to deal with on day to day life, the survival
Speaker 2: things like that. I totally get that. I'm not comparing
Speaker 2: the two. But what I am saying is it is
Speaker 2: an if he was. It's someone who was right and
Speaker 2: he and he cares about it. He wants to be
Speaker 2: great right and he cares about his legacy. So it's
Speaker 2: not as if it was like, Hey, here's the deal, fella,
Speaker 2: who's playing, you know in the Arena Football League. I'm
Speaker 2: going to give you you make thirty grand a year.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you one hundred million dollars. And
Speaker 2: what you're gonna give me is you're gonna be humiliated
Speaker 2: for the next two years and people are gonna say
Speaker 2: you suck in. Your career is over. The guy's like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I oh, I o eighteen grand on
Speaker 2: my accord. I've got twenty two hundred credit card debt.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm being able to pay. You
Speaker 2: know what, I will take the deal. That's not the
Speaker 2: situation it was. It was somebody who had one hundred
Speaker 2: million already. Like if someone had said to Russell Wilson,
Speaker 2: I will give you one hundred million dollars and what
Speaker 2: I want from you is public humiliation and the end
Speaker 2: of your NFL career, will you sell me that for
Speaker 2: one hundred million, he would have said absolutely not. I
Speaker 2: don't think he'd have done it for a billion, honest
Speaker 2: to god, No, honestly, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think that, and again you just have to
Speaker 2: change the number. But like, I'm not in a position
Speaker 2: where I sound like it. I'm not in a position
Speaker 2: where I worry a lot about day to day finances, right,
Speaker 2: I worry about long term finances, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Do I have I set myself up to, you know,
Speaker 2: put make sure all my my families taking care of
Speaker 2: all these things. But I'm not like I'm good day
Speaker 2: to day. So I don't know if they're if someone
Speaker 2: was like, hey, Nick, what's the number for this? You're
Speaker 2: going to be the butt of everyone in the sports
Speaker 2: media businesses jokes for a couple of years, and then
Speaker 2: you might never work again. Like would I do that?
Speaker 2: Would I would I sign that deal for fifty dollars? No,
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think there's a number. They're like, no,
Speaker 2: like the money's not worth it to me, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean for something like that now. And again
Speaker 2: I'm I'm coming from a place of if I you know,
Speaker 2: if I had like he was in a position maybe,
Speaker 2: but you understand what I mean. So people are always like, oh,
Speaker 2: but he has the money, he was already rich man.
Speaker 2: This is awful for us, and.
Speaker 3: That's why he hates it.
Speaker 2: He hates it and and that, and he's a he's
Speaker 2: not really a sympathetic figure because of kind of how
Speaker 2: he's carried himself in some of these things.
Speaker 4: But you say, like the way that Russell Wilson's carried himself,
Speaker 4: he's just corny, Like, I don't I've never seen like,
Speaker 4: I've never seen Russell Wilson as like a bad guy
Speaker 4: or like.
Speaker 3: Like I don't see a lot of him as bad
Speaker 3: guys think.
Speaker 2: He's a bad guy. I think he's pretty clearly a
Speaker 2: good guy, right, But I also think he is. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's just that he's corny. I do think
Speaker 2: there was a level of I want the attention and
Speaker 2: I want the credit that irritated I think corny is corny.
Speaker 2: I don't even know. Like, but the while injured before
Speaker 2: the Monday night football game, I'm gonna do the ghost
Speaker 2: huddle for the cameras, and I'm gonna do high knees
Speaker 2: on the plane in between games and then tell the
Speaker 2: media about it. Those things are those things.
Speaker 3: They fall into the category of corny.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I bet yeah, Like I think the
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think his teammates in Seattle
Speaker 2: disliked him because he was corny. I think they disliked
Speaker 2: him because I think they thought he was phony. I
Speaker 2: think corny and phony are two different things, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And so there was a point where
Speaker 2: he became an easy target. But now it's like, geez,
Speaker 2: that was a quick that was one of the quicker
Speaker 2: falls for an athlete without an off the field scandal
Speaker 2: or a major injury. Right, it was a like you
Speaker 2: went from awesome to okay, just still pretty good to
Speaker 2: oh my god, they're giving you eighty five million to
Speaker 2: go away? All right, what's next?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: They were all right?
Speaker 4: So my Celtics. They smoked the Warriors by fifty two
Speaker 4: points this weekend. Man, yeah, so the first team to
Speaker 4: win three games by fifty plus points in one season. Ever,
Speaker 4: they're obviously running away with the East and now they're
Speaker 4: minus one zero five to win the conference. So should
Speaker 4: I get excited for them to win the finals? Do
Speaker 4: you think this is or do you think this is
Speaker 4: a setup? I think that I think there's something that
Speaker 4: you said about I think I wasn't really gonna talk
Speaker 4: about the Celtics.
Speaker 3: I was actually gonna talk about the Bucks. But I
Speaker 3: think there's something to.
Speaker 4: Say with how, like how Drew Holliday is now on
Speaker 4: the Celtics. Their defense probably the best, and like the
Speaker 4: Bucks obviously have their struggles.
Speaker 3: And I saw Jiannis come out and say.
Speaker 4: That that he's really happy with the move that they
Speaker 4: made with trading Drew Holliday for Damian Lillard. He's expressed
Speaker 4: that he was sad about, you know, making the trade,
Speaker 4: and he shedded tears with Drew Holliday and he's won
Speaker 4: a championship with him, but you know that Damian Lillard
Speaker 4: can come in there and get them. But it's like,
Speaker 4: so I feel like it's directly correlated with like the
Speaker 4: defense and like the Milwaukee They don't they don't necessarily
Speaker 4: have struggles, but I think that Milwaukee is kind of
Speaker 4: like imploding, Like they fired their coach.
Speaker 3: It's just all after what.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's well, yeah, it certainly hasn't been as smooth
Speaker 2: as they thought. And then Yanna's last night, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, he doesn't play in the game because his
Speaker 2: achilles acts up. So that's terrifying for them. I actually
Speaker 2: still believe in Milwaukee. Uh, but what the I the
Speaker 2: when Milwaukee trades Drew for Dame. I don't think they
Speaker 2: do it anticipating that Drew will then end up on Boston.
Speaker 2: Like that was a piece of this that prop Milwaukee
Speaker 2: did not anticipate been thinking of. Let's all say about Boston,
Speaker 2: because Boston right now is the massive favorite to win
Speaker 2: the Tire. They're like plus two ten and the Denver
Speaker 2: is second best at plus four fifty. Boston is the
Speaker 2: massive favorite. Boston has the best five man starting lineup
Speaker 2: in basketball by a mile. Right now, they're in a
Speaker 2: weird spot because against the other best teams, I think
Speaker 2: most of the other best best teams have a best
Speaker 2: player better than Tatum. But when you go Tatum Brown, White,
Speaker 2: Drew Chris STAPs, that's starting five is unbelievable, which is
Speaker 2: why their point differential is the fifth best ever they are.
Speaker 2: They have the best record in the NBA by like
Speaker 2: seven games, so they are absolutely legit, which demands is
Speaker 2: why they are are now in a spot where if
Speaker 2: they don't win the title, it is a big time failure.
Speaker 2: It's rare you truly get before you've won a title
Speaker 2: where you're in a spot of title or bust. But
Speaker 2: that is the spot they find themselves in. And if
Speaker 2: they don't make the finals, they'll make a massive change
Speaker 2: this offseason. Yeah, they'll have to shake the snow globe
Speaker 2: because it can't get better in the regular season than
Speaker 2: it is right now.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Yeah, I think that. I think that. I
Speaker 4: don't think there's anybody that's going to be able to
Speaker 4: hang with the Celtics when it comes to the finals.
Speaker 4: I think if anybody's gonna do, it's gonna be the Nuggets,
Speaker 4: but I don't think I think any other team. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna say the Celts are gonna watch them, but
Speaker 4: I feel very comfortable against any other team that includes
Speaker 4: the Warriors.
Speaker 2: But oh well, yeah, well the Warriors won't be there.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Warriors had had their number. I understand
Speaker 2: that prior to fifty two point game. But the Warriors
Speaker 2: what I mean, The Warriors will be very fortunate to
Speaker 2: make the playoffs this season, much less so they don't
Speaker 2: have to worry about the Warriors team. They have to
Speaker 2: worry about the team they have to worry about every year.
Speaker 2: The Miami Heat. Oh, I, Milwaukee's an interesting one. But
Speaker 2: the Miami Heat. I understand nobody. Everybody dismisses the Miami
Speaker 2: Heat until the playoffs roll around and then they're like,
Speaker 2: how they do it again? And the answer is they
Speaker 2: have the best coach in the league, Jimmy Butler, is
Speaker 2: one of the best playoff performers in the league, and
Speaker 2: they understand how to win. And so the Heat could
Speaker 2: be a real problem and Milwaukee. We'll talk more about
Speaker 2: Milwaukee on a later podcast or maybe later in the show.
Speaker 2: Yannis is having a sneaky and now again he tweaked
Speaker 2: his achilles before the game last night. But Yannis might
Speaker 2: be having one of the quietest great seasons ever. So
Speaker 2: Jannis is thirty one a night, point three off his
Speaker 2: career high, eleven rebounds, six point three assists, which is
Speaker 2: his career high. And this is the number where you're like, wait,
Speaker 2: what on sixty two percent from the field. Sixty two percent.
Speaker 2: Giannis has been a super high efficiency player forever. He's
Speaker 2: never been above fifty seven, and fifty seven is a
Speaker 2: crazy number. He's at sixty two percent. So Milwaukee, but
Speaker 2: the problem is people don't trust Doc and you know,
Speaker 2: Dame hasn't played in the playoffs in a couple of years.
Speaker 2: But I think the Miami is the team that should
Speaker 2: scare Boston. All right, quick break, come back, do our
Speaker 2: second segment, What's Right? All right, welcome back in What's
Speaker 2: Right with Nick? Right, that was a nice, tidy, forty
Speaker 2: minute a block demanse. So we're gonna go fast here
Speaker 2: through the bees. Uh there were I also censored some
Speaker 2: of our producers questions. Here's the thing. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: be honest with you guys. I make decisions for this
Speaker 2: podcast that are I don't want to say they're bad
Speaker 2: for the podcast, but I they here. Here's the thing,
Speaker 2: there are people who are more successful than me in
Speaker 2: this space, and they all seem to have decided that
Speaker 2: talking a lot about deeply, say, intimate details of their
Speaker 2: life is a good strategy. I obviously am not gonna
Speaker 2: do that for a number of reasons, not the least
Speaker 2: of which is I do it with my kids, so
Speaker 2: it would probably not be the place for it. But
Speaker 2: the other thing that really moves the needle is talking
Speaker 2: on other media members like oh, this beef here and
Speaker 2: that whatever, and like that clearly does numbers man like
Speaker 2: people enjoy it. I don't know why, but people enjoy
Speaker 2: the kind of you know Internet, yeah, that that type
Speaker 2: of stuff of all the places within the sports media space.
Speaker 2: And I'm just not going to use this platform for that,
Speaker 2: at least not at this point.
Speaker 3: It seems about anything else.
Speaker 4: If you want to expand our horizons on what we
Speaker 4: talk about, I'm totally down for it.
Speaker 2: I know you are, and no, I know you are,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate that. I just I think it's I
Speaker 2: don't want to say it's tacky because a lot of
Speaker 2: the people, again, people who are more successful than me.
Speaker 2: Whatever it works for them, it's just not what here's
Speaker 2: the It's not what I want to do. And I
Speaker 2: actually think it would put my TV colleagues in a
Speaker 2: weird spot. Well you know what I mean, like and
Speaker 2: so I don't. I don't want to do it. So
Speaker 2: uh now that is, of course, with the exception of
Speaker 2: any chance I have to talk about, you know, my
Speaker 2: rival who I will vanquish, Pablo Tory. Of course I will,
Speaker 2: but I mean will he will go down and he
Speaker 2: knows he will. But aside from that, I'm just not
Speaker 2: gonna do it like the and you know, but what
Speaker 2: I will say, Yeah, I'm just not gonna do it.
Speaker 2: It's just not a need. And I there was a
Speaker 2: point in my career when I was doing local radio
Speaker 2: when I was really into like man Bleep that guy
Speaker 2: and those guys that I had beef with back then.
Speaker 2: I still have beef with I still to this day.
Speaker 2: If I get a chance to take a shot at them,
Speaker 2: I will. I'm still angry about it, like I still
Speaker 2: carry it with me. Uh, but I just don't want
Speaker 2: to be that guy. And again, maybe this will be
Speaker 2: used against me in the future if I if I
Speaker 2: do it, I'm just not it's and I don't think
Speaker 2: it feels to me. And again, I might be totally wrong,
Speaker 2: because this podcast is what I would call moderately successful.
Speaker 2: It's not like a massive smash hit in the YouTube space.
Speaker 2: It does well. Uh, but I so maybe I'm just wrong.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is but it feels like empty calories, and
Speaker 2: it feels like the type of thing that is not
Speaker 2: long term sustainable, and the only way it is is
Speaker 2: to either up the outrageous of your anecdotes or to
Speaker 2: just always be fighting with people. And like, I'm just
Speaker 2: not I don't know. Maybe I will be at some point,
Speaker 2: but right now, I'm just not into it. And I
Speaker 2: think it's And I also think this is one of
Speaker 2: the reasons it's good that I host this with you,
Speaker 2: and when it's not you with the Aura, I also
Speaker 2: think it would be a truly terrible example if I
Speaker 2: was like with you, a split screen with you, if
Speaker 2: I was just like roasting someone in the middle, it's
Speaker 2: like this guy is a cloud and you're just sitting
Speaker 2: there like, Okay, I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 2: I'm just not gonna do it. So instead we're gonna
Speaker 2: play a game we came up with called this or that.
Speaker 2: So Demansa explained the game to the audience.
Speaker 4: All right, so it's just a different version of this
Speaker 4: or that. So I'm gonna tell you a story, and
Speaker 4: you're gonna pick. We obviously missed a bunch of stories
Speaker 4: because we're off for a week and a half. Yes,
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna give you two different stories and you
Speaker 4: kind of pick which one you want to go in on.
Speaker 4: So the first one we got an NFC story, So
Speaker 4: Jason Kelsey announcing his retirement or Dak's new haircut.
Speaker 2: Okay, Dax's new haircut is again, this is an example
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. I guarantee if I did ninety
Speaker 2: seconds right now on Dak's haircut, it would do numbers
Speaker 2: on Twitter. It would do numbers. But I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: do it. The Jason Kelcey thing, I watched the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Here is what I find so unique about Jason Kelcey. Okay,
Speaker 2: Jason Kelsey for well, there's a number of things. I'll
Speaker 2: try to go through them quickly. One is the relationship
Speaker 2: he and Travis have is really special and I think
Speaker 2: it's beautiful, and I've seen people make this point and
Speaker 2: it they're right, And I understand this is a mockable
Speaker 2: thing for me to say, but I agree with them. However,
Speaker 2: Jason and Travis were brought up by their parents to
Speaker 2: just do while being alpha athletes who on the football field,
Speaker 2: both of them, at various times, are known for losing
Speaker 2: their minds. Travis used to have a big well, I
Speaker 2: shouldn't say you used to. I mean Travis's botty bumped
Speaker 2: Andy Reid in the Super Bowl, you know, in a
Speaker 2: few weeks ago. Jason. There is a great clip of
Speaker 2: Jason just screaming like a maniac in somebody's face, like
Speaker 2: after the play. These guys on the field are annals,
Speaker 2: and off the field are it's sorry to sound corny,
Speaker 2: but as open and in touch with their emotions as
Speaker 2: any two men I've ever come across. And I find
Speaker 2: it admirable. They are not embarrassed about it, they are
Speaker 2: not shy about it. They will publicly cry and publicly
Speaker 2: express how much they love the people who matter to
Speaker 2: them without a thought in the world about it. And
Speaker 2: that's a testament to how they were raised in who
Speaker 2: they are as people. And I thought that Jason's speech
Speaker 2: yesterday was really beautiful from a football standpoint. Here is
Speaker 2: what I find so unique about Jason Kelsey. Jason Kelsey
Speaker 2: was a sixth round pick demanse who had had some
Speaker 2: early career success, but he came into the league in
Speaker 2: twenty eleven. He made a couple Pro Bowls, but as
Speaker 2: he would tell it in twenty sixteen, was on the
Speaker 2: fringe of you know, being traded or the Eagles getting
Speaker 2: rid of him. He was struggling so badly. And so
Speaker 2: he's a sixth round draft pick who threw the first
Speaker 2: six years of his career, has middling success despite making
Speaker 2: a couple of Pro Bowls, and then over the final
Speaker 2: seven years of his career his first team All Pro
Speaker 2: six of the seven years and is the best offensive
Speaker 2: player on two Super Bowl teams. So it's not like
Speaker 2: he was this first round guy. That was. He was
Speaker 2: a you know, a guy who changed positions at Cincinnati
Speaker 2: and college, was a late round pick, and then, at
Speaker 2: like twenty seven years old, No, that's not right, at
Speaker 2: damn near thirty years old, turned himself into a guy
Speaker 2: who will go down as one of the greatest centers ever.
Speaker 2: It's a very unique.
Speaker 4: Career at that point.
Speaker 2: Yes, at the end. It's even crazier when it's not like, oh,
Speaker 2: this guy was a five star kid out of high school,
Speaker 2: first round pick who just you know, never locked process,
Speaker 2: never matured. Yeah, and then it No, it was that
Speaker 2: he was a fringe undersized guy throughout his whole career
Speaker 2: kind of played like it and then damn near at
Speaker 2: thirty unlocked the whole new level. And it's really a
Speaker 2: really remarkable story. And now he's gonna be a Hall
Speaker 2: of Famer one day. Yeah, he's gonna be And he's
Speaker 2: gonna be a Hall of Famer one day. So it's great,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 4: Next, maybe he doesn't retire if the NFL bans the
Speaker 4: Toush push after this last year. But uh, pick an
Speaker 4: NFC East story. Jason wait, hold on, sorry, college story
Speaker 4: Kaitlin Clark's Kaitlyn Clark's scoring record or court storm or
Speaker 4: court storming takes after a duke player was injured.
Speaker 3: That was okay, that was weird.
Speaker 2: I guess here's the thing. I gotta do both of these.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna not do this or that. I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: both quickly. Here's there in court storming, we need to
Speaker 2: be a little more judicious about how often courts are
Speaker 2: stormed that way. It stays a little special, and then
Speaker 2: everyone needs to stop acting like they're wildly dangerous. Shut up,
Speaker 2: just shut up the people. I storm to court in college.
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite moments of my entire life.
Speaker 2: It is awesome to be able to do it. It's
Speaker 2: part of college sports. And if somebody occasionally is gonna
Speaker 2: twist an ankle, they could have happened on the inbounce play.
Speaker 2: Stop it. Just stop it. And people were like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, there is a student you know, in a
Speaker 2: in a college football game tour their acl man. There
Speaker 2: you got half a dozen students of these games that
Speaker 2: get alcohol poisoning. Like life can be dangerous. That's not banned.
Speaker 2: Court storming, stop it now. Should should just storm the court?
Speaker 2: If you're the number nine team in the nation beating
Speaker 2: the number eight team, no, Should you storm the court?
Speaker 2: If you the Vegas favorite in the game. No. But
Speaker 2: if you're a if it's a big time upset or
Speaker 2: if you beat Duke, it's fine, okay. But the bigger
Speaker 2: story is Caitlyn Clark Demon SI. Caitlyn Clark's game on
Speaker 2: the ratings just came in. Caitlyn Clark's game on Sunday
Speaker 2: did a bigger number than Warrior Celtics did three and
Speaker 2: a half million. Warrior Celtics had three million. We're as
Speaker 2: Celtics on ABC three and a half million for a
Speaker 2: women's college basketball game. Caitlyn Clark is a superstar, not
Speaker 2: a female superstar. She is a superstar. She moves the
Speaker 2: needle and the WNBA has been looking for someone who
Speaker 2: moves the needle and you have her, plus Angel coming in.
Speaker 2: Plus people care about Juju, the girl from USC. You
Speaker 2: should go Demons to a USC women's game. You're in
Speaker 2: southern California. Juju Watkins is the next great player. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean she's already a great player. She's a freshman.
Speaker 2: So I think women's women's college basketball is having a moment,
Speaker 2: and I ain't Caitlin Clark's gonna extend that moment. I
Speaker 2: think it's really dope. And then like the w n
Speaker 2: b A like.
Speaker 3: Expans I think.
Speaker 2: People, yes, exactly, will people start because I think the
Speaker 2: w n b A they have two great teams. They
Speaker 2: have the Liberty in the Aces and they played in
Speaker 2: the finals last year. They both have you know, multiple
Speaker 2: m VP caliber players. But it hasn't garnered quite the
Speaker 2: buzz yet. But if you you already have a pretty
Speaker 2: high level of basketball and then you add in a
Speaker 2: super starring Caitlin Clark to the league, could be pretty dope.
Speaker 2: Could be pretty dope. All right.
Speaker 4: Next, pick a tall guy to discuss Check going for
Speaker 4: the number one seed or Wimby going for Defensive Player
Speaker 4: of the Year.
Speaker 2: Wimby, I mean, listen right now. The guys looking pretty
Speaker 2: great right now. And you know, my skepticism is well
Speaker 2: known on this show. Right now, it's looking like he's
Speaker 2: gonna prove me wrong. But he's been really special and
Speaker 2: the Spurs are understandably being cautious with him. Check. The
Speaker 2: reason I'm not gonna say Check going for the one
Speaker 2: seed is because it's SGA going for the one seed. Now,
Speaker 2: the Lakers did beat him last night, and they have
Speaker 2: lost five of six ever since SGA said he hasked
Speaker 2: something for Lebron. So keep that in mind because that
Speaker 2: could be a first round matchup, potentially a one versus
Speaker 2: eight or two versus seven, but the story would be Wimby.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 4: Next, all right, pick a quarterback to debate the to
Speaker 4: pick a quarterback debate to weigh in on Justin Field's
Speaker 4: next team, or Jaden Daniels versus Drake May at number two.
Speaker 2: All way in on Justin Field's next team, which is
Speaker 2: I don't understand, if the reports are accurate, why Atlanta
Speaker 2: would rather spend forty plus million on Cousins rather than
Speaker 2: spending a second round pick on getting to look at
Speaker 2: Justin Fields. Cousins is better than Fields, but Cousins is
Speaker 2: thirty six coming off in Achilles Fields with those weapons
Speaker 2: on turf indoors. If he can unlock the best version
Speaker 2: of himself, you'd have the quarterback taken care of for
Speaker 2: the next ten years. So I'd rather do that than
Speaker 2: a best case scenario, you have the quarterback taking care
Speaker 2: of for the next three years, when you're not a
Speaker 2: team that in those three years is probably gonna be
Speaker 2: able to compete for a championship. So I think Atlanta's
Speaker 2: making a mistake there. But because of that, I don't
Speaker 2: know where Justin's gonna go because Pittsburgh reportedly is not
Speaker 2: interested in him. There's a lot of teams that I
Speaker 2: think should consider it, but doesn't look like they're going
Speaker 2: to all right next.
Speaker 4: Which franchise tag merits discussion Jerius Snead or T Higgins.
Speaker 2: Well, I just think it's interesting that they're both getting
Speaker 2: franchise tag. But it seems like the Chiefs are the
Speaker 2: team willing to take the mature long term view, which is, listen,
Speaker 2: if we can't come to a long term agreement with him,
Speaker 2: we need to trade him rather than keep him for
Speaker 2: just one more year and then lose him for nothing
Speaker 2: and the bank. Despite the fact the Chiefs have won
Speaker 2: three of the last five Super Bowls and would if
Speaker 2: there was ever a team that would have a reason
Speaker 2: to be like, screw that. We're going for a three
Speaker 2: p forget the future. We'll win right now. And the Bengals,
Speaker 2: on the other end, have won nothing. Who are about
Speaker 2: to pay Chase? I shouldn't say they want nothing. They
Speaker 2: went to a Super Bowl, they won. The AFC have
Speaker 2: to pay Chase top of the market. Just pay Burrow
Speaker 2: top of the market. They could get a The Chiefs
Speaker 2: are gonna probably trade sneed for a second. The Bengals
Speaker 2: could get a first for Higgins, and it looks like
Speaker 2: they're not gonna do it, which is wild to me.
Speaker 2: All Right, we answer a few listener questions. Next, what's
Speaker 2: right all right, welcome back in What's right with Nick
Speaker 2: Right demons. Let's let's do Ryan Koslov's question to start off,
Speaker 2: because I think it's an interesting one.
Speaker 4: Ryan Koslov asked, with Jason's retirement, are the Kelsey brothers
Speaker 4: the best football brothers ever? Over Manning brothers or others?
Speaker 2: Okay, so here are the ones that come to mind. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Peyton and Eli are high on the list. TJ and
Speaker 2: JJ Watt Merritt strong consideration, both defensive player of the
Speaker 2: your caliber, guys, JJ is gonna be a first ballot
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame er. TJ's building a first ballot Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame caliber career. Right, You've got Bruce and Clay
Speaker 2: Matthews from a while ago, but you know, two of
Speaker 2: the best offensive lineman ever and the incredible longevity for
Speaker 2: both of them. And then Sterling and Shannon. Sterling was
Speaker 2: an all time player who had his career cut short
Speaker 2: by a neck injury. Shannon's one of the five best
Speaker 2: tight ends of all time. So those are the ones
Speaker 2: that are on the list. Jason and Travis I have
Speaker 2: a strong argument because Travis is the goat tight end
Speaker 2: and Jason is the best center of the last thirty years.
Speaker 2: Maybe so I JJ and TJ have a strong case.
Speaker 2: Sterling and Shannon would have if Sterling had just played longer.
Speaker 2: The Matthews brothers are up there. I just don't think
Speaker 2: Eli was that great. I know he won the two
Speaker 2: Super Bowls, but I just don't think he was that great.
Speaker 3: Are you Jones brothers pretty good?
Speaker 2: The Jones brothers, who are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Triven like Chandler Jones and.
Speaker 2: Oh but the Chandler Jones. Sorry, I just didn't know
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, so Arthur Jones.
Speaker 3: Oh, the other one is a boxer like UFC fighters.
Speaker 2: M M, a guy John Bones. Yes, I mean so
Speaker 2: that's a different story because that guy is one of
Speaker 2: the maybe the best UFC fighter ever. Chandler was a
Speaker 2: great NFL player and then unfortunately dealing with some things. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: those guys to me are not there, like because the
Speaker 2: Boat the brothers are not as good as the Watts,
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, They're they they're both
Speaker 2: really good, but they're not as good as the Watts.
Speaker 2: And there's more brothers than you think because the Diggs
Speaker 2: is Stefan and Trayvon, the Saint Brown's Equanimius who isn't
Speaker 2: that good but a man ra who's awesome. There's more.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, he played for the Packers for a while.
Speaker 2: I forget who he's with right now. Eimas st Brown,
Speaker 2: But the the Kelsey's are up there. Man obviously Ronde
Speaker 2: and Tiki, but I think I don't think Tiki was
Speaker 2: that great. Tiki was really good, but not all time,
Speaker 2: and Ronde just got into the hall. I think or
Speaker 2: it was a close call. All right, what's next topic?
Speaker 3: Veyron ass Luca the Josh Allen of the NBA.
Speaker 2: Oh no, there's to me, they're not actually similar at all,
Speaker 2: because Luca was awesome immediately. Josh was had a really
Speaker 2: rough first couple of years, then turned into somebody who
Speaker 2: was great. Luca was, you know, winning MVPs of the
Speaker 2: league at sixteen years old, So you know, they're very different.
Speaker 2: If the question is like guys who haven't quite got
Speaker 2: over the hump, I understand that, like super talents, I
Speaker 2: get that part of it. But those Luca or Jason.
Speaker 4: Josh Allen, maybe Jason Tatum postseason success, getting those moments.
Speaker 3: Game seven with Miami, I don't I don't.
Speaker 2: Know if there's a right I don't know that there's
Speaker 2: a a Josh Allen in the NBA. I'd have to
Speaker 2: think about that longer. All right, let's ask one more
Speaker 2: from Chris Gerard uh Nick.
Speaker 4: Are you still one convinced about Caleb after all the
Speaker 4: stories they came out lately or do you have doubts
Speaker 4: like most?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. The stories are all nonsense to me.
Speaker 2: What he cried with his mom, he paints his nails,
Speaker 2: I don't care. I watched the guy play football. He's awesome,
Speaker 2: And I forget who may go ahead to Monsey.
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be I think after the first year.
Speaker 4: Obviously CJ. Stroud's at the bar kind of high, but
Speaker 4: he didn't have nearly as much hype as Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4: And I don't think that Caleb Williams is gonna go
Speaker 4: and have a better first year than c J.
Speaker 3: Stroud.
Speaker 4: I honestly think that c J. Stroud probably end up
Speaker 4: having a better career than Caleb Williams. But it's obviously
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams hasn't made it to the NFL.
Speaker 2: Well, So listen, CJ just had Maybe CJ just had
Speaker 2: maybe the best rookie season ever. What I will say
Speaker 2: that is working in Caleb's favor is he's He's going
Speaker 2: to such an atypical team to have the number one pick.
Speaker 2: The Bears won seven games last year. They have the
Speaker 2: number one pick because the Panthers were terrible. Most number
Speaker 2: one picks are going to terrible teams. The Bears were bad,
Speaker 2: but they weren't. They were seven and ten with bad
Speaker 2: quarterback play. They were five and three over the last
Speaker 2: eight games. The defense got way better once they got
Speaker 2: Montese Sweat. They have their right tackle, they have a
Speaker 2: wide receiver, they have a ton of cap space, and
Speaker 2: they're gonna drop Caleb in there. So I think the
Speaker 2: Bears are gonna be good, and I think Caleb's gonna
Speaker 2: be excellent. Is Caleb a different type of cat? Guys?
Speaker 2: This is he's the our first college football like, he's
Speaker 2: the first guy. Well, no, not Lebron. I'm not putting
Speaker 2: that on him, but he So we've had a few
Speaker 2: guys who were considered consensus number one picks, you know,
Speaker 2: a couple of years before they came out. He's the
Speaker 2: first one in the nil era. So the dude made
Speaker 2: ten million dollars last year. He lived in a luxury condo,
Speaker 2: in LA he so does he carry himself differently than
Speaker 2: most college quarterbacks were used to. Yes, because he's already
Speaker 2: super rich and super famous. So that can rub people
Speaker 2: the wrong way, I get it. The flip side to
Speaker 2: that is he's less likely to melt because all of
Speaker 2: a sudden he's super rich or to like the the
Speaker 2: NFL money and fame and attention is less likely to
Speaker 2: impact him because he already dealt with it. And so
Speaker 2: I just think the guy is a superstar, and I
Speaker 2: think the Bears would be utterly insane to do anything
Speaker 2: other than to send his name in right now, all right,
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