Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Hey Everybody, and Welcome to Movie Crush. It's another Null
Speaker 1: takeover edition. Apologies, I've got a touch of the laryngitis,
Speaker 1: but did my best to power through. A fantastic interview
Speaker 1: with the lovely and talented Chelsea Arson of the Dear
Speaker 1: Young Rocker podcast. Dear Young Rocker is a podcast that
Speaker 1: we do with um Jake Brennan of Double Elvis and
Speaker 1: of course Disgrace Land, the fantastic rock and roll true
Speaker 1: crime podcast, live show book, UH and kind of National Sensation.
Speaker 1: Um Jake met Chelsea and Boston, where he is also from.
Speaker 1: She plays in bands. Um is a fantastic writer and
Speaker 1: created this series that's sort of a audio memoir where
Speaker 1: she gives advice to her younger self about getting through
Speaker 1: those awkward teenage years that I think we can all
Speaker 1: identify with no matter what walk of life here, and
Speaker 1: we've all been there and had to kind of find ourselves.
Speaker 1: And Chelsea finds herself through the power of rock um
Speaker 1: and bass playing and playing in bands, and it's a
Speaker 1: really fantastic podcast. I highly recommended. UH. In this conversation,
Speaker 1: we talked about kind of her growing up in Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: how she came into her music taste and the wonderful
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one how Ashby classic Harold and Maud. So
Speaker 1: let's jump right into it. Did you watch the movie
Speaker 1: last night? I didn't watch the whole thing. I put
Speaker 1: it on and I fell asleep. Same, I don't remember
Speaker 1: where I fell asleep, and it infiltrated my dreams a
Speaker 1: little bit. I love when that happens. Yeah, it can
Speaker 1: also be kind of where like lately I've been listening
Speaker 1: to NPR a lot at night, and especially with all
Speaker 1: the crazy like coronavirus, like subconsciously here like the five
Speaker 1: AM newscast in my dreams, and then here it again
Speaker 1: when it replays at like a thirty and it'll be
Speaker 1: like kind of like a memory you know already already
Speaker 1: heard this, very like deja vu. It's a little weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have like twenty eight days later dreams. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: things are heavy right now with all that stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: but Harold and Maude is is great. If I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen it in many years and I almost finished with it,
Speaker 1: I've been kind of like paging through it like ten
Speaker 1: seconds at a time, it's kind of you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: I remember this beat, I remember this beak, so I've
Speaker 1: seen it so many times I know it really well.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of little things I sort of forgot,
Speaker 1: so I'm glad I mainly made it through. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I fell asleep last night and then this morning
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'll just watch like whatever the
Speaker 1: most googled clips are, you know, And I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll try to remember my favorite scenes. But every second
Speaker 1: of it is my favorite scene. Every second of it
Speaker 1: has what I like about the whole movie, which is
Speaker 1: just weirdness and like dark humor and weird people celebrating
Speaker 1: being weird and winning for being weird. And it's also
Speaker 1: like shot beautifully, was framed really well and it's gorgeous. Yea.
Speaker 1: I we can get to this a little later. But
Speaker 1: I think there would be no Wes Anderson if there
Speaker 1: was no Harold and may Hey. Yeah for sure. When
Speaker 1: when did you first kind of discover this movie? I
Speaker 1: thought this was like a big movie for a lot
Speaker 1: of young people, like like realizing, oh, weirdo cinema from
Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies kind of this is a good
Speaker 1: entry point into that world a little bit. I think
Speaker 1: I probably did see it the first time in high school.
Speaker 1: I don't have a memory of anyone showing it to
Speaker 1: me recommending it, I think inc I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: my mom did or something, but I think I just
Speaker 1: picked it out of like the bargain bin at Walmart
Speaker 1: or something. I was like, Mom, I want to watch this,
Speaker 1: and she's like, that's a weird one, okay, And then
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I don't think it's rated.
Speaker 1: Are Aside from the suicide scenes, which are all staged, obviously,
Speaker 1: there's really no bad language or like, you know, explicit
Speaker 1: anything in it. It's just very dark, totally right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just playing at the local art House theater
Speaker 1: that's really close to here, and I was considering taking
Speaker 1: my daughter to it, but then I realized, I think
Speaker 1: it's she's eleven little too dark and weird. I think, well,
Speaker 1: she's into dark and weird stuff. But I first heard
Speaker 1: of Harold and Maud from the movie There's Something About Mary.
Speaker 1: There's a scene where Cameron Diaz and Ben Stiller are
Speaker 1: talking about their favorite movies, and they're both of their
Speaker 1: favorite movies is Harold and Oh my gosh, And I
Speaker 1: think because it was in that movie, which is such
Speaker 1: a gross out kind of goofball comedy, I assumed it
Speaker 1: was a upid movie. Like so I sort of discounted
Speaker 1: it for a long time because of that, but then
Speaker 1: I discovered it. Um, yeah, I fell in love with
Speaker 1: it for sure. So as far as movies go, like
Speaker 1: when did you sort of start getting into more or
Speaker 1: let's say, I don't know, challenging stuff for like, when
Speaker 1: when did you kind of find your entry into like
Speaker 1: weirder movies or edgy or movies or what you would
Speaker 1: consider like your stuff. I don't know. I guess. I
Speaker 1: guess high school. I think like every fourteen year old,
Speaker 1: Donnie Darko made such an impression on me, and I
Speaker 1: watched it a million times and I thought, I totally
Speaker 1: got it. We're not that far apart age wise. I'm
Speaker 1: thirty six, I think you're thirty one. So we have
Speaker 1: a lot of the same references. Like even like in
Speaker 1: your show, Dear Young Rocker, you were into a lot
Speaker 1: of the same music that I was at that age,
Speaker 1: even if it was like a few years of hard
Speaker 1: or whatever. But a lot of the references really rang
Speaker 1: true for me. But like so Donnie Darko is a
Speaker 1: big one for me. It's also a big music movie
Speaker 1: for me, like it was for yeah, because of all
Speaker 1: the gothy eighties cynthy stuff in it, you know, turned
Speaker 1: me onto like Echo and the Bunny Man pants like that,
Speaker 1: and then like obviously Fight Club. You know, it doesn't
Speaker 1: hold up now as an adult. It's a little macho,
Speaker 1: bullshitty kind of, but boy did I love it when
Speaker 1: I was fortunately, Yeah, that was another one, like American
Speaker 1: Beauty all that stuff. Um trying to think what else. Uh,
Speaker 1: it was a big one for you where you were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is like this is my favorite ship. I think
Speaker 1: it's Harold and really, yeah, I think this is my
Speaker 1: number one. It goes between this and Edward Scissor Hands,
Speaker 1: between my number one movies, but this one has more
Speaker 1: to it, but they're both about weird relationships and people
Speaker 1: being weird and being great for it. Edward Scissor Hands
Speaker 1: is just so like its own thing. It's so stylized
Speaker 1: and kind of goth and established this like cinematic language
Speaker 1: visually kind of. And this one is a lot more
Speaker 1: sparse and like you know, less adorned kind of, like
Speaker 1: it's very matter of fact, the way it presents everything,
Speaker 1: you know, but the themes and the writing and the
Speaker 1: interactions between it's like it's like it is a satire
Speaker 1: with all the suicide stuff and with the you know,
Speaker 1: the corporal like the it was his uncle, I guess,
Speaker 1: the with the missing arm he has, like the string
Speaker 1: that he pulls and does the salute. That guy's cartoonish,
Speaker 1: you know, She's totally this like stock character. Kind of
Speaker 1: all authority figures are cartoonish, and that's what I love.
Speaker 1: The mom is so cartoonish, and so as a teen
Speaker 1: seeing that, it's like, yeah, coronups are obsessed with doing
Speaker 1: things the right way, but if you really think about it,
Speaker 1: it's all ridiculous and I don't want to be that way.
Speaker 1: And then the relationship between Harold and Maud and like
Speaker 1: as he kind of comes out of his shell, that
Speaker 1: is really real and feels very like natural, and it
Speaker 1: makes sense that you're sort of the viewer are in
Speaker 1: that same boat where everything else sort of like Charlie
Speaker 1: Brown's parents, you know, like they're the other, like the mamas,
Speaker 1: and then like the real action happens between you know,
Speaker 1: the kids, but yeah, right, and it's you know, even
Speaker 1: though mod is certainly not a kid, she's like a kid.
Speaker 1: She's like a kid. Yeah, yeah, and it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's so touching the way she's able to kind of
Speaker 1: like show him the little things in life that are
Speaker 1: like so exciting that he just like he had kind
Speaker 1: of just like gone over his head entirely, you know, right,
Speaker 1: and his mom had probably been like, Oh, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be into that. That's that's no good. And so he
Speaker 1: goes in the complete opposite direction of what mom wants
Speaker 1: and drives a hearse, of course, and then she buys
Speaker 1: him this like Aston Martin thing or this jag or whatever.
Speaker 1: He uh, you know, she's like, I like it very much.
Speaker 1: It's a little sports car. She's kind of trundles off,
Speaker 1: and then he gets the blowtorch and like turns it
Speaker 1: into a like a tricked out mini hearse, which is
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. Um, so let's talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: your show, dear young rocker. I've described I think I
Speaker 1: just I love you're hanging out last night, and I
Speaker 1: described it in a in a way that I think
Speaker 1: you liked. I'm trying to remember what it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's kind of like a very
Speaker 1: confessional memoir of your kind of older self giving advice
Speaker 1: to your younger awkward, kind of like teenage self, going
Speaker 1: through all these changes emotionally and like, you know, schools
Speaker 1: sucks and you feel like isolated and you kind of
Speaker 1: find your your tribe through music and like your your
Speaker 1: comfort zone and like kind of learned to kind of
Speaker 1: feel yourself like through finding all of this stuff. Can
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about how this came together
Speaker 1: as a show and how that part of your life
Speaker 1: kind of came together. I guess, yeah, absolutely that you
Speaker 1: know that description is great because when I try to
Speaker 1: describe my show, I'm very I think of just format
Speaker 1: and technical stuff because my show doesn't fit in it
Speaker 1: into any typical podcast category. So I'm like, okay, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like an audio book because it's an audio memoir,
Speaker 1: but there's a ton of music and sound design in it.
Speaker 1: Um and then I forget about the theme part, you know,
Speaker 1: the really important themes, and you just brought that all up.
Speaker 1: The confessional memoir of feeling like, you know, an socially
Speaker 1: anxious weirdo who doesn't feel like they fit in with
Speaker 1: the people around them, even though I'm sure the people
Speaker 1: around me and almost all teenagers also feel like they
Speaker 1: can't be their real selves around other people. UM and
Speaker 1: so yeah, So the first half of each episode is memoir.
Speaker 1: The second half is big Me, thirty one year old
Speaker 1: me um giving advice to that younger kid and hoping
Speaker 1: that they just feel seen and feel like it's okay
Speaker 1: to be going through whatever they're going through, because as
Speaker 1: a kid, I was you know, if I brought stuff
Speaker 1: to my parents in the language I had for what
Speaker 1: I was going who, they'd say, Oh, you need to
Speaker 1: just get out of your head, stop being sensitive, and
Speaker 1: you'll get over it. This is just a phase that's
Speaker 1: not helpful. You just you just okay, mom and Dad,
Speaker 1: I'll do it like right now, you know. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: you just get the message that you're dumb and immature,
Speaker 1: and then you feel worse about yourself. So you you know,
Speaker 1: you turn to your diary or you know, your guitar
Speaker 1: or your video games or whatever it is. And for me,
Speaker 1: it was playing the bass and listening to the Smashing Pumpkins.
Speaker 1: That was the space where I was like, it's okay
Speaker 1: to have these feelings I have, Like I hear them
Speaker 1: in these lyrics, I feel them in these riffs, and
Speaker 1: I feel like it's okay to be me. And so
Speaker 1: I think teens could really use that that kind of reassurance, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: have all the feelings now, because you don't have time
Speaker 1: to have them when you're older. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: sad that we we become callous because we have to
Speaker 1: get through life. And so I like, you know, reconnecting
Speaker 1: with that part of me. And I think that's why
Speaker 1: I still love Harold and Maud because it's that idea
Speaker 1: that being amazed by art and music like you are
Speaker 1: when you're young is actually beautiful, and we should do
Speaker 1: that for our whole lives, not just when we're a
Speaker 1: kid finding our first band. You know, I feel pretty
Speaker 1: lucky because I have an eleven year old daughter and
Speaker 1: she's really entering that tween kind of phase or whatever.
Speaker 1: She's really into like Billie Eilish, that's her hero, you know,
Speaker 1: in the same way that Billy Corgan was my hero.
Speaker 1: I mean seriously, like Smashing Pumpkins was my band, Like
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with them, Like I saw them like
Speaker 1: eight times I went to like signing and waited in
Speaker 1: line for like hours and stuff. Like I even had
Speaker 1: this letter that I wrote to Billy Corgan about how
Speaker 1: much is music meant to me at the time, Like
Speaker 1: I went to the signing and I was going to
Speaker 1: give it to him, but I didn't because and then,
Speaker 1: you know, you get older and you realize how I mean,
Speaker 1: kind of lame that is because it's like you think
Speaker 1: you're so special, like you're the only time that feels
Speaker 1: this way about this art or this movie or this band,
Speaker 1: and then you really I mean, it doesn't diminish the feelings,
Speaker 1: but it is kind of a reality check where it's, oh,
Speaker 1: there are other people too that, but it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's sort of a positive thing where it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I am that's how you find your tribe. Kind of
Speaker 1: you realize, oh, other people have the same experience with me.
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one or I'm not alone. But
Speaker 1: it also does suck a little of the specialness out
Speaker 1: of it for a minute, you know. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: funny we're talking about like a lot of your listeners
Speaker 1: are uh, female and are like identifying directly with your experience,
Speaker 1: but I you know, dudes have body issues too, Like
Speaker 1: I was an uncomfortable teenager and never felt like cool
Speaker 1: or like good looking or whatever. And you know, I
Speaker 1: struggle with all of that stuff. And I found my
Speaker 1: you know, groove through a lot of the same ways,
Speaker 1: through like playing in bands and feeling confident when I
Speaker 1: was very timid and kind of awkward and didn't really
Speaker 1: believe in myself. And when I started like writing music
Speaker 1: and people would like, you know, see me perform, it
Speaker 1: gave me this very empowered kind of feeling. And it
Speaker 1: really took me to where I am today in terms
Speaker 1: of being a I'm not in a band, but like
Speaker 1: I perform, I'm on the microphone all the time, I'm
Speaker 1: always presenting in something. So I really did kind of
Speaker 1: get me that level of confidence to like do this
Speaker 1: for a living. You know that's great. Yeah, And you know,
Speaker 1: so many of these feelings that I at the time
Speaker 1: thought were so unique to me are so universal. And
Speaker 1: I still get I get tons of emails and social
Speaker 1: media messages from dads who were like, I just put
Speaker 1: this on because I heard about it, didn't think I
Speaker 1: would relate to it whatsoever. And oh my god, I
Speaker 1: felt the same way when I was a kid. I
Speaker 1: went through those same things, and as a teen like
Speaker 1: teen me says, Oh, if I was only you know, skinny,
Speaker 1: wore the cool clothes, knew all the good bands, and
Speaker 1: could play bass perfectly, then I'd have friends. Then I'd
Speaker 1: feel good about myself. Um or if I wasn't a girl,
Speaker 1: if I was a boy, it would be so much easier.
Speaker 1: But I tell myself, no, that's not true, because boys
Speaker 1: feel this stuff too. People who are skinny feel this
Speaker 1: stuff too. People who are geniuses at music feel not
Speaker 1: good enough in other ways. No one is perfect in
Speaker 1: every way, and even if they were, they'd probably find
Speaker 1: something to hate about themselves. Yeah, I mean, it's the
Speaker 1: whole grass is Always Greener syndrome to where it's like
Speaker 1: you see somebody else and you think they've got it
Speaker 1: all figuring out all together, and then if you really
Speaker 1: dug deep and had a conversation with that person, you'd
Speaker 1: realize they probably see something in you that you don't
Speaker 1: see in yourself that they wish they had. That's the
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway that I've you know, and getting older and
Speaker 1: realizing like no one is a percent what they seem.
Speaker 1: Everyone struggling with something. So that's why just being open
Speaker 1: and like kind to people, and you know, trying to
Speaker 1: meet people halfway. It's just a good way to live,
Speaker 1: you know. And I try to teach my kid, right.
Speaker 1: You got to tell those those kids every chance you
Speaker 1: get how great they are in every way, and they're
Speaker 1: going to be grossed out by it and be like stopping,
Speaker 1: you're just my parents. You think I'm great because you
Speaker 1: you know, made me. But they need those messages because
Speaker 1: they get so much of the opposite on social media.
Speaker 1: You know. They just even if no one's commenting negatively
Speaker 1: on their selfies, they see it happening to other people.
Speaker 1: They read these disgusting YouTube comments that are like X
Speaker 1: rated about kids their age posting, you know, their vlogs,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh my god, we just need to
Speaker 1: like bombard children with support and love. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you know, with my daughter, she's eleven, and she's all
Speaker 1: over like TikTok and YouTube and stuff. I generally think
Speaker 1: that the way she uses it, she's pretty good at
Speaker 1: self curating like a positive experience. But the negativity always
Speaker 1: just kind of trickles in a little bit, even if
Speaker 1: you don't notice it, like or feel bombarded by it.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting to see her. Like I realized, like
Speaker 1: she has been on this platform for long enough that
Speaker 1: she had like she'll do these comparison videos of like
Speaker 1: the same video she made like three years ago, and
Speaker 1: now you know, she'll do the same one and it'll
Speaker 1: be like I'm a different person now, but she it's
Speaker 1: like three years of her age, Like it makes a
Speaker 1: huge difference. There's a lot of changes, and she looks
Speaker 1: completely different, has different tastes and stuff, and it's just
Speaker 1: always evolving. So why why do it as an audio
Speaker 1: like memoir like it instead of like a book or
Speaker 1: you know, there's other other ways you could have done it,
Speaker 1: like like a short film or something. Yeah. So you
Speaker 1: know that quote writing about music is like dancing about architecture.
Speaker 1: It is, so Yeah, I wrote this as a book first. Um.
Speaker 1: I wanted to publish a book to you know, help
Speaker 1: kids and to say, hey us, there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: us women and girls out here just playing in bands
Speaker 1: for fun that aren't famous, Like we just do this
Speaker 1: because it helps us feel like a person. It's not
Speaker 1: just dudes playing in bar bands and whatever. And I
Speaker 1: got the feedback like, you can't publish a memoir because
Speaker 1: you are just playing in a bar band. You're not
Speaker 1: a famous musician. Yeah, you know, memoirs by famous female
Speaker 1: musicians are becoming popular, but sorry, you got to get
Speaker 1: a platform. And then I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it as a podcast because you
Speaker 1: can still just put that out there yourself. And that way,
Speaker 1: all the musical elements that were so hard to write about,
Speaker 1: I could just sit down with a guitar, plug my
Speaker 1: interface in and play over me talking to like get
Speaker 1: the emotion I wanted in there. Um, And I could
Speaker 1: actually recreate my high school band songs and the sounds
Speaker 1: of me picking up a guitar for the first time
Speaker 1: and going don don don donk. So it just brought
Speaker 1: it to this new level. And I had never thought
Speaker 1: about a career and audio or anything. Um. I mean
Speaker 1: actually I had, because it was a sound recording major
Speaker 1: for a year in college, but I didn't want it.
Speaker 1: I didn't think I wanted to do that as a lifestyle. Um.
Speaker 1: But then I you know, started making the show and
Speaker 1: I was like, I love doing this. I love writing,
Speaker 1: but this is even more fun. So that's like audio storytelling.
Speaker 1: It sort of supports the narrative just the thing like
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, your your podcast is
Speaker 1: it's not fiction, but it is a narrative, like it's
Speaker 1: just it's a storytelling podcast, and it really immerses you
Speaker 1: in in it in The sound design is super rich
Speaker 1: and really evocative, and you do a great job with
Speaker 1: that for sure. And if I knew how to make
Speaker 1: video and it wasn't prohibitively expensive, maybe I would have
Speaker 1: made it into, you know, a YouTube series or something.
Speaker 1: But audio is like, I know what I'm doing and
Speaker 1: I'll just try to make it cinematic through sound effects
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I think, I think it's a
Speaker 1: good time for that. And you made the right choice.
Speaker 1: So you grew up in Massachusetts, like an in Worcester. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I grew up in central Massachusetts. I fun fact,
Speaker 1: I live not far or I lived not far from
Speaker 1: the central Tree of Massachusetts is the exact center of
Speaker 1: the state, and it was originally going to be the capital,
Speaker 1: but then they were like, nope, we need ships and stuff,
Speaker 1: so Boston's the capitol. But anyway, so now that which
Speaker 1: use Central mass used to be a bust in place,
Speaker 1: you know, when America first started, and now it's just
Speaker 1: kind of like a sleepy suburb. You know, some people
Speaker 1: driving to Boston, but it's like cows and developments and
Speaker 1: good schools. Yeah, your parents still live there. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: both live out the area. How did you ever? Do
Speaker 1: you make it back? Often? Not that often. It's a
Speaker 1: pain in the butt to drive out there, but it's nice.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, I can get a parking spot.
Speaker 1: There's no red lights, it's just stop signs. Because you
Speaker 1: live in in Cambridge, which is like basically just like
Speaker 1: another little kind of borough I guess of Boston. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's where a billion million tech people are moving
Speaker 1: every second of every way, so it becomes more and
Speaker 1: more hard to navigate anywhere. Yeah, how do you how
Speaker 1: do you feel about that? Like just seeing that level
Speaker 1: of gentrification of the way cities changed in that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so quick because you know, the people in charge
Speaker 1: are so for it. They're like, let's give millions of
Speaker 1: dollars way to companies to like come here, and like great,
Speaker 1: let's get more money. Let's you know, hopefully get taxes
Speaker 1: to fix these crumbling schools and are crumbling trains. But
Speaker 1: that never really happens and it just gets Yeah, it
Speaker 1: gets harder to drive places. Um, I think I can't
Speaker 1: remember the numbers, but I know I looked up some
Speaker 1: some statistics and the amount of cars being put on
Speaker 1: the road every day every day. They're like the rate
Speaker 1: of growth is higher than even like Seattle. I think
Speaker 1: it's like out of control. And it's such an old
Speaker 1: city that like a lot of that infrastructure has got
Speaker 1: to be really in disrepair. Yeah. Yeah, the transit system.
Speaker 1: You know, they say, oh, well we have you know,
Speaker 1: maybe we don't have room for cars, but everyone can
Speaker 1: take to train. And you know, I've tried to commute
Speaker 1: by train rush hour. You can't even get on the
Speaker 1: train because it's so full. It just goes by you
Speaker 1: and doesn't stop. And I'm like, okay, so they need
Speaker 1: more people on here. Yeah. Anyway, I could complain about Boston,
Speaker 1: aren't they But it won't. But it's beautiful full, It's
Speaker 1: a really pretty city. And I live in Cambridge near
Speaker 1: all the Like I lived near a house that like
Speaker 1: George Washington lived in for a little bit, and like
Speaker 1: all these beautiful mansions. I think Elizabeth Warren lived in
Speaker 1: my neighborhood. Yeah, it's like there's you know, beautiful rivers
Speaker 1: and ponds and stuff. But yeah, right now it's cold
Speaker 1: and dead and whatever. It does get dark earlier there
Speaker 1: too than it does here, and it's so oppressively cold.
Speaker 1: I can't This winter didn't snow hardly at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's great to be down here and be warm.
Speaker 1: So as far as Boston bands go, I can think.
Speaker 1: I know the Pixies where they started in Boston. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well they started at U Mass, which is actually closer
Speaker 1: to where I grew up. It's like Western Mass. And
Speaker 1: then this is a big Boston band, The Cars is
Speaker 1: the biggest, probably m Boston. Um, that would be a
Speaker 1: real bummer if Boston wasn't from Kansas. From Kansas, you know,
Speaker 1: no idea, they better be, they better be. Um. I
Speaker 1: recently told someone that Credence clear Water Revival was from California,
Speaker 1: and they were so upset and like, how did you
Speaker 1: not get that memo? But you wait, you you thought
Speaker 1: they were? No they I told someone they were and
Speaker 1: they were like, aren't they from the South? And I
Speaker 1: was like no. They just thing like that it's fake.
Speaker 1: Did you not know that? You didn't know that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're from California. They just go do do yeah, sometimes
Speaker 1: you don't know it's true. Um, what So tell me
Speaker 1: a little bit more about like did your parents have
Speaker 1: good tasted music, Like were they kind of turning you
Speaker 1: onto stuff like Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and the Beatles and stuff. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I think my dad said, like, oh, when
Speaker 1: I was sixteen, I went to a Black Sabbath concert
Speaker 1: and I couldn't hear for three days afterwards. It was terrible.
Speaker 1: It was too cloud. Yeah, and he mostly would put
Speaker 1: on like classical in the car. But he was also
Speaker 1: really into like the stuff that was popular when I
Speaker 1: was growing up, which is Britney Spears in the Backstreet
Speaker 1: Boys and in Sync. Yeah. He had this little um
Speaker 1: Suzuki Samurai jeep that was white and he had painted
Speaker 1: like hot pink and neon green stripes on it, like
Speaker 1: a Barbie jeep, and we'd like drive around blasting Britney
Speaker 1: sparrows and stuff. Is an interesting guy. And then my mom, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's just like, uh, like popular kind of dance club music.
Speaker 1: She liked to go to the club and dance. So
Speaker 1: there was a lot of like, I know, rhydom, is
Speaker 1: that a handsome and like that kind of stuff. I
Speaker 1: had a lot of those club mixed CDs because she
Speaker 1: liked to like practice dancing at home. So how did
Speaker 1: you go from that? Which is a really interesting that
Speaker 1: is not what I usually hear about dance musical taste.
Speaker 1: I'm into it. How did you go from that to
Speaker 1: like finding your own stuff, like the stuff that really
Speaker 1: did it for you? Did it take a little trial
Speaker 1: and error? Do you have any periods that you're sort
Speaker 1: of like embarrassed by when you look back a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the first like loud rock I
Speaker 1: got into it was Lincoln Park because hybrid theory came
Speaker 1: out when I was in sixth grade or seventh grade
Speaker 1: or something, and that's what I was like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy's having feelings. He's screaming about them. There's a
Speaker 1: loud guitar going along with it. It's catchy, you know.
Speaker 1: I felt like this is the you know, these are
Speaker 1: the feelings I have inside. Um. I think I could
Speaker 1: have liked them more if there wasn't that rap element. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the wrapping parts either. That was a
Speaker 1: golden time for that. You know. It's like you had
Speaker 1: your limp biscuits and you had your your Lincoln Parks
Speaker 1: and Incubus too totally Thank You was all right though,
Speaker 1: like they kind of weren't as egregious Anta and you know,
Speaker 1: of all the ends though that you could classify as
Speaker 1: like rap metal, I think Rage Against the Machine is
Speaker 1: probably the one that still really holds up. And the
Speaker 1: guy's actually a good rapper. He's got a cool delivery
Speaker 1: that's very unique, and the lyrics are strong, and you've
Speaker 1: got Tom Morello's little wicky wicky guitar stuff with his
Speaker 1: Alan wrenches and he's almost like the Thurst and more
Speaker 1: of like of rap rock, right, Yeah, interesting, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that it was the time for that, and then yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe probably going against what my parents liked was probably
Speaker 1: one big appeal to me. And there weren't musicians, so
Speaker 1: stuff about like people actually playing guitars and whatever that
Speaker 1: really appealed to me. Um. I still don't know how
Speaker 1: I really got into the Pumpkins, except they were on
Speaker 1: the radio a lot in the nineties when I was
Speaker 1: a little kid, and I heard it was like such
Speaker 1: a massive record, huge everywhere. Yeah. Um still don't have
Speaker 1: a copy of that one on vinyl because it's like
Speaker 1: very very expensive and large it is. Yeah, but that's yeah.
Speaker 1: If you think about it, though, the fact that they
Speaker 1: were as amos as they were is kind of interesting
Speaker 1: because he's got this really like a feminine kind of delivery.
Speaker 1: But but still they're kind of like muscular, macho type
Speaker 1: rock at the times. But then some of the tracks
Speaker 1: would be very gentle and kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: we Melan Melancholi, right, But they had so many hits singles,
Speaker 1: like it was just kind of mind boggling on that
Speaker 1: record especially, and they're also different. Yeah, and then you know,
Speaker 1: to put out a double album like that for their
Speaker 1: third record was such a ballzy move. I think everyone
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna like Tank and it just totally
Speaker 1: blew up. Like I saw him on that tour. Um,
Speaker 1: it was right when Jimmy Chamberlain left because he had
Speaker 1: like he had drug problems. And yeah, there was that
Speaker 1: thing where the keyboard player Odd or whatever, who was
Speaker 1: actually I don't know if you knew that she was
Speaker 1: Wendy Melvoin's brother, Wendy Wendy and Lisa from the Revolution.
Speaker 1: That's her brother who died um and he uh eat
Speaker 1: and so then he was replaced by some studio drummer.
Speaker 1: It was Matt Walker who also used to play for
Speaker 1: Tori Amos a lot and uh and Fiona Apple really
Speaker 1: really good kind of hired Guns studio drummer. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that tour and the girl I was dating
Speaker 1: at the time was in like sixth grade. I guess
Speaker 1: she wore like silver pants. Yeah, like totally got all
Speaker 1: go out. Yeah. I mean that bullet Bullet with butter
Speaker 1: butter Oh my god, Bullet with Butterfly Wings video hit
Speaker 1: me so hard, the imagery in that and everything they're wearing.
Speaker 1: And Darcy has this like glittery I makeup that I
Speaker 1: wanted so bad, and like no stores in the mall
Speaker 1: had anything that looked like that. This is pretty hot topic.
Speaker 1: This is pretty hot topic, and it was so the
Speaker 1: hot topic. Look, yeah, silver pants, black black black black
Speaker 1: eye makeup even on the guys like really thick, and
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to look like. That video was
Speaker 1: the last time he had hair. Yeah, that's right, and
Speaker 1: he had like dyed black hair. Uh um, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that was and then that yeah, he was bald
Speaker 1: in the Tonight to Night video. That was the next
Speaker 1: one that would have been the next single. Yeah and
Speaker 1: zero Yeah, such a weird choice. I know, yeah they did.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, again, doing something totally weird that
Speaker 1: you don't think people are going to catch onto, And
Speaker 1: then it became a really popular They actually recorded Siamese
Speaker 1: Dream here in Atlanta at the studio I can't remember
Speaker 1: the name, but with with Butch Vig was the Nirvana
Speaker 1: producer or whatever, and um, you know, I mean Billy
Speaker 1: Correy was a notorious like ego maniacal kind of like
Speaker 1: Overlord where he played all he would replace everyone's parts, like,
Speaker 1: you know, not let anyone play on the record and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I just worshiped him and thought his like whole
Speaker 1: vibe and his whole like sad boy kind of imagery.
Speaker 1: It just really connected with me. And so as I've
Speaker 1: gotten older and started to reassess a little bit, I
Speaker 1: kind of think he's sort of a dick. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: just was so the right time for me, and it
Speaker 1: almost made me feel I had to rethink, like was
Speaker 1: he just kind of like running like a long con
Speaker 1: on like kids, you know, Like was he really was
Speaker 1: kind of just like I think he's just an eternal teenager.
Speaker 1: I just think he didn't have to grow up because
Speaker 1: he just got famous. You know at that point when
Speaker 1: he still wasn't mature. The word I would used to
Speaker 1: describe him now is petulant. He always comes off as
Speaker 1: very like the world against him and like he's wrong.
Speaker 1: And now he owns a wrestling league and he made
Speaker 1: this really embarrassing like cage match promo, or he's reciting
Speaker 1: the lyrics to pull up with butterfly wings and this
Speaker 1: really like cheesy poetry slam kind of way. And he's
Speaker 1: wearing like a hoodie. He looks like eminem or something.
Speaker 1: He's kind of piecing around the the octagon cage and
Speaker 1: I'm stop ruining my child retired. There are so many
Speaker 1: on this list for me, the just retire. Like to me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Billy Corgan rip circle two thousand. You know,
Speaker 1: I just pretend nothing else ever happened after that. And
Speaker 1: I think same with like Weezer. You know, I just can't.
Speaker 1: I don't. You know some people are like those first
Speaker 1: two records are just like perfect records, perfect, and then
Speaker 1: everything after that is just like did you just like
Speaker 1: you were you were always a nerd, but you have
Speaker 1: you figured out how to parlay it into like some
Speaker 1: creative thing and now you're just kind of sound like
Speaker 1: a clueless nerd. You know. Yeah, it became like big
Speaker 1: Bang theory nerd, like just like watered down, Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the riff that people like that we do the most.
Speaker 1: Let's just cheese it up and like keep recycling it
Speaker 1: and make the words even more. And at first I
Speaker 1: was like, is this it's just like ironic, Like when
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills came out. I was like, Okay, maybe he's
Speaker 1: just like pushing the irony to this point of like
Speaker 1: totally performative whatever. And I was like, no, this is
Speaker 1: just the music he wants to write. We retired. It's true,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's hard to quit chasing that money.
Speaker 1: You know. It's one of those things too, where it's
Speaker 1: like you can get all of the accolades and all
Speaker 1: of the fame, but if you have that inherent insecurity
Speaker 1: or whatever, you always need a little more. You need
Speaker 1: that reinforcement, and then people, once you get famous, people
Speaker 1: start pampering that. Like, before these guys were famous, they
Speaker 1: only had whatever, two guitars at their disposal and however
Speaker 1: many ideas in their head. But once it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can use the studio with every plug in and
Speaker 1: pedal you could ever imagine a million different sound engineers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want. And they're still just
Speaker 1: kind of trying to do the same thing. And then
Speaker 1: all this money and all these people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: we'll just make it better for you, and it's just
Speaker 1: sad and and thankfully some of them know when to
Speaker 1: hang it up. Drives me crazy, though, is like the
Speaker 1: fake out break up and then the inevitable reunion and
Speaker 1: then how many times, Yeah, Smashing Pumpkins did it. You know,
Speaker 1: they're doing this, They're doing the festival circuit right now.
Speaker 1: They're playing a shaky Kneese festival here, And it's part
Speaker 1: of me that kind of wants to go. But I also, like,
Speaker 1: I think I would be a little sad because you
Speaker 1: know that time is kind of gone, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's sort of like a pale comparison to the way
Speaker 1: I remember it. You know, someone saw them recently and
Speaker 1: told me it was worth it. I think they just
Speaker 1: played a ton of old songs. They definitely they have to,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah. But then then you have like
Speaker 1: the rare thing like a band like Radiohead that knows
Speaker 1: when they they won't make a record unless they have
Speaker 1: a record in them, yeah, you know, and go do
Speaker 1: some other stuff and make a record when you really
Speaker 1: want to, not just to pay the bills and this, right.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would ever be like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is the last Radiohead record, we're breaking up forever. I
Speaker 1: don't think they would just wouldn't talk about it. They
Speaker 1: would just not make something for fifteen years and then
Speaker 1: maybe come back. It's like, well, we never went away,
Speaker 1: we just did other tough you know, right. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: Green Day is another one that turned into just kind
Speaker 1: of like a content machine line. That's true. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: mega mega fans, and then there's like a Broadway musical
Speaker 1: based on the American Idiot or whatever. Maybe it's great
Speaker 1: to be fair, that record has some pretty fun, catchy songs.
Speaker 1: It's not my thing, but it's like, yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: last one I can, you know, sort of enjoy. At
Speaker 1: the time when that came out, I saw them on
Speaker 1: that tour and I was like fourteen, and I protested.
Speaker 1: Every time they played an American Idiot song, I like
Speaker 1: sat down, and every time they played like a dookeye song,
Speaker 1: I stood up and I was like, yeah, but but
Speaker 1: now in retrospect, like that albums, you know, I can
Speaker 1: still listen to that. After that, I just got kind
Speaker 1: of like, they have a new one that just came
Speaker 1: out that's supposed to be like more throwback. He's supposed
Speaker 1: to be like that's what they say about every one.
Speaker 1: It's like every new Star Wars movie. No, but this
Speaker 1: one's more like the original. It has that. And then
Speaker 1: I go see it, I'm like, Okay, it was okay,
Speaker 1: it was all better than the last one. That's how
Speaker 1: I feel about The Green Day. Thanks're like, no, this
Speaker 1: one's really it. That's how I feel about Star Wars
Speaker 1: in general. Though, Like me and Chuck always talk about this,
Speaker 1: like he grew up when Star Wars was like new,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like no one's ever seen anything
Speaker 1: like this. It's completely out of the clear blue sky.
Speaker 1: There's this massive new thing that no one's ever seen,
Speaker 1: and he just was obsessed with it because it was
Speaker 1: like he saw when it first hit the theaters. And
Speaker 1: I think he's got this like built in reverence for
Speaker 1: it that I just don't really have. So it's easy
Speaker 1: for me to be like they're just kind of cheesy
Speaker 1: space movies. But people have this, like, you know, the
Speaker 1: sacred feeling towards that stuff because of I think when
Speaker 1: it hit them in their lives. And it's the same
Speaker 1: with music, you know a lot of Like an older
Speaker 1: friend of mine, UM hates Pink Floyd's The Wall because
Speaker 1: another Brick in the Wall was such a ubiquitous single,
Speaker 1: and to him it was Pink Floyd going disco, which
Speaker 1: I would never have thought of, but it is disco.
Speaker 1: It does have a disco kind of vibe to it.
Speaker 1: But he hated that record, And to me, when I
Speaker 1: when I when I found out about that record, this
Speaker 1: is the greatest thing I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1: So it's all about, like you know, perspective and stuff
Speaker 1: and where you come at the material. It's all relative. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll look back on stuff so differently. Um and yeah.
Speaker 1: With Star Wars, it's just the PR thing. I'm like,
Speaker 1: if I was doing a PR campaign for a new
Speaker 1: Star Wars, what would I do try to make people
Speaker 1: spread the rumor to each other that this one is
Speaker 1: the greatest one ever made. So immediately when I hear
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, I'm like, you understand someone paid
Speaker 1: for you to have that feeling. Like, I just really
Speaker 1: like the prequels the best, honestly. Yeah, I think George
Speaker 1: Lucas really got it right finally. Yeah, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about this whole idea of like revisionist movie history
Speaker 1: like George Lucas where he like takes his original movies
Speaker 1: and like retools that and then the original versions aren't
Speaker 1: available to anyone anymore. I think so too, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so too well. Speaking of movies, Harold and Mont
Speaker 1: came out in nineteen seventy one and has that sixties
Speaker 1: of quality to it. It It feels like a sixties movie.
Speaker 1: Those bell bottoms are big. Then in the coats there's
Speaker 1: a lot of big like puppy coats and like you know,
Speaker 1: furry collars and stuff, and like a lot of lapels um.
Speaker 1: The way his mother dresses very like you know, what's
Speaker 1: what what? What? What What is? She She's like an heiress
Speaker 1: or something. It's not even Dad's never around. You really
Speaker 1: know how they made their money. She has not like
Speaker 1: fallen woman vibe around her, like she's desperately clinging to
Speaker 1: her jewels and her goofy hairdo and our hats and stuff.
Speaker 1: There's a scene where she goes swimming and She's wearing
Speaker 1: this absurd bathing cat flowers on it, and then Harold's
Speaker 1: like floating in the pool. She's just like kind of
Speaker 1: you know, it's a long shot, and you see her
Speaker 1: like just do going about her routine and getting in
Speaker 1: the pool and taking off her her robe and then
Speaker 1: she dives as she's just doing her laps, and did
Speaker 1: you see Harold floating there? And she just kind of
Speaker 1: regards him with contempt but then goes on with her
Speaker 1: her swimming. Um, that's the thing about this movie. It's well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things with this movie, but one
Speaker 1: thing that I can identify with is like negative reinforcement
Speaker 1: or the idea of like I only get attention if
Speaker 1: I do bad things or if I like make a
Speaker 1: spectacle or whatever. Because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's like he tells the story to Maud were really quick.
Speaker 1: For anyone who hasn't seen you should watch the movie
Speaker 1: before you listen to this conversation. But Harold is kind
Speaker 1: of disaffected. Um, I would say, right at sixteen, maybe
Speaker 1: it feels like he hasn't been driving for very long.
Speaker 1: He's got this hurst that he drives. He's sort of
Speaker 1: death obsessed. Um, he constantly stages these these suicides elaborate.
Speaker 1: I want to say he's like twenty though I think
Speaker 1: they mentioned his age at some point. I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of like he would be in college, that's becoming
Speaker 1: a man. Yeah, his mom wants him to get married,
Speaker 1: Like if you're not going to have a like get married,
Speaker 1: that actually makes But he looks he's you know, he
Speaker 1: looks like a teenager, really does, and and and and yeah,
Speaker 1: he sort of the he acts like one too, because
Speaker 1: he really is kind of listless, and you know, he
Speaker 1: lives at home. He doesn't really do anything except go
Speaker 1: to funerals, other people's funerals, um, and stage these elaborate
Speaker 1: suicide things. And Maud is someone he meets who also
Speaker 1: is like he's dropping on a funeral or crashing a funeral.
Speaker 1: I guess you could call it. She's an older woman
Speaker 1: who is kind of the antithesis of Harold. She's like
Speaker 1: really obsessed with life and like she steals cars for
Speaker 1: fun and just like you know, has these crazy inventions.
Speaker 1: She's got like this smell machine that like has these
Speaker 1: little sense she can load and it's got like this
Speaker 1: weird gas mask. And someone's like snow in New Yorker's
Speaker 1: one or whatever. There's some different ones, but she kind
Speaker 1: of takes Haro on her wing a little bit and
Speaker 1: teaches him to kind of to live, you know. And
Speaker 1: it sounds a little trite when you put it like that,
Speaker 1: but when you actually really spend time with these characters,
Speaker 1: you realize, like it's such a universal thing, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: how easy it is to let life pass you by,
Speaker 1: kind of if you get so hung up on like
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to be or you know, what you
Speaker 1: how you failed in some way, and you're also supposed
Speaker 1: to pretend that you're never going to die. And if
Speaker 1: you focus on death, it's supposed to be this. You know,
Speaker 1: there's supposed to be something wrong with you. And that's
Speaker 1: why Harold's mom sends him to therapy because he's focused
Speaker 1: on death. Um, but mod is kind of like, I'm
Speaker 1: celebrating life and death. I'm celebrating life because I'm realistic
Speaker 1: about death and I know what's going to happen, and
Speaker 1: so I go to funerals and celebrate them, right, which
Speaker 1: is certainly a thing in a lot of traditions. I mean, everyone,
Speaker 1: we're all marching towards death, you know, so why not
Speaker 1: treat it with reverence as opposed to like fear, you know,
Speaker 1: like in New Orleans, for example, Like New Orleans funerals
Speaker 1: are like these giant parties. They're like parades. You know.
Speaker 1: It's a whole different It's not somber affair at all.
Speaker 1: It's about celebrating life when it comes to an end,
Speaker 1: which is inevitable. Yeah, and I have to point to
Speaker 1: my tattoo here you cannot see. But basically I went
Speaker 1: to so I lived near Harvard. I went to the
Speaker 1: Harvard Graveyard, which has you know, stones from like the
Speaker 1: sixteen twenties and stuff really really really old. And so
Speaker 1: back in the day, you know, people died way more often.
Speaker 1: They died young all the time. And so people didn't
Speaker 1: I mean, no one wanted to die, but they didn't
Speaker 1: fear death in the same way. And they didn't it
Speaker 1: wasn't such a taboo thing, um, and so grave stones
Speaker 1: would kind of celebrate death. So they had these like
Speaker 1: laughing skeletons and stuff on him, and these really cute
Speaker 1: See my tattoo specifically is from one grave. I think
Speaker 1: the woman's name was like a lizz a bit wiggles
Speaker 1: Worth Wadsley or something amazing like that. Um. But it
Speaker 1: has this this kind of cartoonish cute skull with pretty
Speaker 1: wings on it, and it has two little baby cherubs
Speaker 1: holding like some kind of drapery thing over a gravestone gravestone,
Speaker 1: and then it says memento to say mortalum, which means
Speaker 1: remember to live your mortal And you know, sometimes people go, oh,
Speaker 1: that's so dark, and I'm like, it's gonna happen to you.
Speaker 1: And that's the whole point of these death heads they
Speaker 1: would put on gravestones, is so when you're walking through
Speaker 1: the cemetery, you you know, the dead person is trying
Speaker 1: to say to you, like you're gonna be here before
Speaker 1: you know it, Like live your life while you're up
Speaker 1: there and not down here, buddy. Even like the Day
Speaker 1: of the Dead tradition like in in in Mexico, you know,
Speaker 1: it's all about celebration. It's it's it's there's some mournfulness
Speaker 1: to it, but it's sort of like healthy amounts I
Speaker 1: think when people either pretend like it's not real or
Speaker 1: they get obsessed with it. Those are two extremes that
Speaker 1: have a similar quality where it's sort of like I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think having a healthy respect for death
Speaker 1: and treating it like, you know, not a some inevitable
Speaker 1: thing that we're all marching towards, but just sort of
Speaker 1: like a part of life. That's what this movie does
Speaker 1: a really good job because it has this amazing twist
Speaker 1: spoiler alert. But it's like she's, you know, he's a
Speaker 1: suicide obsessed and um, he has this accident at a
Speaker 1: at a boarding school where he almost blows up the
Speaker 1: lab and he just leaves and they think he's been killed,
Speaker 1: and so they literally these cops come and tell his
Speaker 1: mother that he's been killed, and he's snuck in the
Speaker 1: house and sees all this going down from the balcony
Speaker 1: and realizes that he got more attention and affection from
Speaker 1: his mother when she thought he was dead than when
Speaker 1: he was alive. And he's telling Maud like, and I
Speaker 1: decided I'd rather be I would I like being dead
Speaker 1: better or whatever, And then of course Maud, you know,
Speaker 1: teaches him how to say and dance and do all
Speaker 1: this you know stuff just to enjoy life. And then
Speaker 1: she kills herself, right, But that's also like a form
Speaker 1: of control because she's like eighty years old, and she
Speaker 1: decides that's you know, when she wants to check out.
Speaker 1: And I think she's decided it probably a while ago,
Speaker 1: because it's a great movie to watch a bunch of times,
Speaker 1: because you get more out of it, like you see
Speaker 1: hints of the twist ending more when you watch it
Speaker 1: the second time. That kind of stuff. Because the in
Speaker 1: the scene where she meets Harold, she says something there
Speaker 1: at a funeral, she says it all it'll be all
Speaker 1: over on my birthday or whatever. Yeah, she says like, oh,
Speaker 1: this person died at like seventy nine, like that's perfect,
Speaker 1: I think, or something like I think eighty is the
Speaker 1: perfect time to go. And I'm seventy nine right now,
Speaker 1: um hint hint um. And so yeah, she's planned her death.
Speaker 1: So that means she has this distinct window of time
Speaker 1: to really live. And so I don't know if before
Speaker 1: that she was living like this, but if you know,
Speaker 1: it's like getting you know, h a cancer diagnosis or
Speaker 1: something and someone tells you, oh my god, you have
Speaker 1: exactly three months to live. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: I kind of thing. She had always been living like that.
Speaker 1: She's got so much crap in her house and you know,
Speaker 1: it goes back to the other the other twists. Later
Speaker 1: on you find out she's a death camp survivor. She
Speaker 1: has the tattoo on arms. Yeah, there's some heavy stuff
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah. Yeah, So I think kind of that
Speaker 1: influence her. When she survived that, it's like she had
Speaker 1: a new life and she started protesting and just living
Speaker 1: however she wanted to. Yeah, very kind of bohemian kind
Speaker 1: of you know, not care free, it's not the right
Speaker 1: word at all, but like, yeah, it's like she just
Speaker 1: cared about it's like not taking life too seriously, but
Speaker 1: also taking it very seriously and like the experience of life,
Speaker 1: but still being silly and like getting joy from kind
Speaker 1: of goofy stuff. And then you know, at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie, um, when he finds out that's that's
Speaker 1: that's a really intense moment. She just kind of very
Speaker 1: casually says like I've taken I took the tablets. It's
Speaker 1: a crier. And then he just kind of like camera
Speaker 1: just like focused on his eyes and his eyes get
Speaker 1: really big and he just goes like what And then
Speaker 1: it cuts like to him like driving frantically. Oh God,
Speaker 1: gives me chills. And then it's like raining. It's such
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, it's raining. All the ambulance is
Speaker 1: driving to the hospital, and she's just kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going now, girls, very lovely time. I'm glad we
Speaker 1: had this time together. And it's his first love and
Speaker 1: she's dying in front of him. Oh my goodness. It's
Speaker 1: all but but but then you know it could have
Speaker 1: gone in such a different direction. It could have ended
Speaker 1: with him like reverting back into like his Moby ways.
Speaker 1: But you realize he'd never actually put anything on the
Speaker 1: line before. And she she makes the point earlier in
Speaker 1: the movies where she's like, you know, you gotta live,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe even get hurt, you know, like, but
Speaker 1: just put it all out there. I got like tearing
Speaker 1: up even thinking about it. Um, And like he does.
Speaker 1: He does that, and he honors her by like, you know,
Speaker 1: he basically stages his own death. He drives his car
Speaker 1: off this cliff, and you do you think he's done that?
Speaker 1: That's it. There's the moment where you think he drove
Speaker 1: the car off the cliff, but then you see him
Speaker 1: kind of walking away playing the banjo. Yeah, and another
Speaker 1: thing we haven't touched on, but when I went to
Speaker 1: like look at a you know, re look at the
Speaker 1: wiki and whatever. As soon as I started typing Harold
Speaker 1: and mod the like number one googled question came up.
Speaker 1: Did Harold and Maud sleep together? So that's a big
Speaker 1: thing in the movie, is the age difference. You know,
Speaker 1: she's like I thought they did. They definitely do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a scene, but once again, it's implied, and it's
Speaker 1: like done in a cute way, like they wake up
Speaker 1: and he's like blowing bubbles in bed, but her hands
Speaker 1: down for the first time. Um, and it's I think
Speaker 1: it's implied he lost his virginity to her too. And
Speaker 1: then it goes to the scene where he's being counseled
Speaker 1: by a priest and the priest is saying it's wrong
Speaker 1: for him to have slept with her, even though they're
Speaker 1: both consenting adults. He's young, but he's not. He's like
Speaker 1: twenty or something, like I said, And that's one of
Speaker 1: the funniest parts. The priest is just like, oh, the
Speaker 1: drooping against your own young so creepy. But it was
Speaker 1: funny to me that people google that and we're still
Speaker 1: so focused on that. That's true, that's true, But but but
Speaker 1: you're right there, like maybe no, this was was the
Speaker 1: on our conversation here. Um, all of the authority figures
Speaker 1: are so over the top caricatures, like the priest, the soldier,
Speaker 1: the therapists, the mother, like they're all these like total
Speaker 1: caricatures of like what what that the most extreme version
Speaker 1: of what that thing would be? Like she's the most extreme,
Speaker 1: overbearing yet aloof mother and she's just like this cartoonishly
Speaker 1: aristocratic kind of like above it all kind of you know,
Speaker 1: person who doesn't very surfacy, you know, and she's always
Speaker 1: setting him up on these like computer dates. So the
Speaker 1: computer dates are so funny. Oh my god. The girls
Speaker 1: who come in who get chosen are just oh my god.
Speaker 1: Like the first one is the I don't know if
Speaker 1: she's the first one, but there's a woman who's like
Speaker 1: a young woman who's a she works for like a
Speaker 1: chicken feed company, and it's like, oh, yeah, my job
Speaker 1: is very important. I have to calculate like the pounds
Speaker 1: of chicken feed for the whole area, like a whole
Speaker 1: state or something like that. Um. And then Harold can't
Speaker 1: even participate in these dates because they're so yeah stupid,
Speaker 1: they're so like you know, not him at all. Although
Speaker 1: my favorite one I was just watching before we started
Speaker 1: was she's like an actress and he does the Harry
Speaker 1: Carry kind of situation with like the ceremonial Japanese knife
Speaker 1: and he lays out the mat and does the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's trying to freak these girls out
Speaker 1: so they'll leave him alone, and this woman, uh just
Speaker 1: runs with it and like, you know, does this really
Speaker 1: scenery chewing like macbeth suicide scene and it kind of
Speaker 1: freaks him out, which is kind of funny to see
Speaker 1: the tables turned, but obviously still wasn't a wasn't a
Speaker 1: love connection there, But yeah, that's that's I'm really was
Speaker 1: really surprised that no one had picked this movie yet
Speaker 1: on the movie crush, So I'm glad you've been able
Speaker 1: to tell me it's um. Where can folks find you
Speaker 1: on the internet? And obviously we can find Dear Young
Speaker 1: Rocker anywhere you get podcasts, certainly, and there is dear
Speaker 1: Young Rocker dot com which is a very nice looking
Speaker 1: website and proud of it, thank you. And you can
Speaker 1: follow me on Instagram at deer Young Rocker and I
Speaker 1: post a bunch of stuff there and I'm on Twitter
Speaker 1: two at rocker dear nice. Yeah, it's it's very true,
Speaker 1: like your Instagram for that show is a lot behind
Speaker 1: the scenes stuff, a lot of you're talking about episodes
Speaker 1: while you're making them, and it's definitely not just like
Speaker 1: a you know, a show at count that some admin
Speaker 1: is running. Like your very hands on and I'd like
Speaker 1: to share other people's pictures. Sometimes people will send me
Speaker 1: pictures of themselves as young rockers and I'll like share
Speaker 1: those on my story. Those are great if you put
Speaker 1: hashtag your young rocker if you were also a weird
Speaker 1: little musician at some point and you also have a band, right,
Speaker 1: I do have a band, yeah, thanks, It's called Banana,
Speaker 1: and you know we have a band camp with our
Speaker 1: music on it. It's a little hard to find, but
Speaker 1: I think if you search like Banana Massachusetts band and
Speaker 1: you guys ever go on tour and stuff for yeah,
Speaker 1: we um. I mean we play, you know, I'm from Boston,
Speaker 1: so we play New England and New York mostly, but
Speaker 1: I would love to come down here and play the
Speaker 1: next year. Sometimes we would love to have you. Well, Chelsea,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me on movie Crush. Yeah, thanks great
Speaker 1: to be here. No, Chelsea is the best. Um. It
Speaker 1: was really lucky enough to have her in Atlanta for
Speaker 1: the last few days doing some guest spots on other
Speaker 1: shows that I work on, including Ridiculous History and stuff
Speaker 1: Mom never told you, so be on the lookout for
Speaker 1: those episodes with Chelsea coming out again soon. Um. Got
Speaker 1: to spend some time with her, went to a concert
Speaker 1: together with some other co workers of the band Destroyer,
Speaker 1: and I think hopefully we showed her a good Atlanta
Speaker 1: time and hope to have her back very soon. Um.
Speaker 1: But right now, I think there are three remaining episodes
Speaker 1: of Dear Young Rocker yet to publish, but you've got
Speaker 1: a nice I think eight episode run to get into it,
Speaker 1: and then um, you'll have three more wonderful episodes to
Speaker 1: finish up the series coming soon, so check that out.
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