WEBVTT - Chip Ingram - Oct 29 - 9:30 am 0:00:11.740 --> 0:00:14.340 Today on Living on the Edge with Chip Ingram. 0:00:14.700 --> 0:00:19.020 Almost every day I hear some new information about AI. 0:00:19.820 --> 0:00:23.610 It creates fear in some and hope for others. 0:00:24.190 --> 0:00:26.509 Is AI good or evil? 0:00:27.070 --> 0:00:29.430 Stay with us. We'll talk about it today at Living 0:00:29.490 --> 0:00:29.890 on the Edge. 0:00:32.070 --> 0:00:34.550 Today on Living on the Edge, we're doing something different. 0:00:34.970 --> 0:00:38.610 Chip Ingram shares a conversation with longtime friend and mentor 0:00:38.670 --> 0:00:42.129 Jack Alexander, who spent the past year doing something no 0:00:42.210 --> 0:00:44.950 one else seems to have done. He sat down with 0:00:45.050 --> 0:00:49.269 artificial intelligence and asked it hard questions about itself. What 0:00:49.310 --> 0:00:53.080 it said about its own limitations, about the soul, about deception, 0:00:53.490 --> 0:00:55.800 will make you think twice about how you're using it. 0:00:56.540 --> 0:00:58.720 Jack also has a new book out, and Chip is 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.620 eager to tell you about it. I'm Dave Drewy. Now 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.520 let's join Chip and Jack as they discuss what AI 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:08.340 cannot do, what wisdom actually is, and where to find it. 0:01:09.580 --> 0:01:13.250 About six weeks ago, I had a very interesting conversation. 0:01:13.270 --> 0:01:16.490 I was making a number of phone calls to thank 0:01:16.550 --> 0:01:20.510 people that are personal friends. Some support the ministry. I 0:01:21.310 --> 0:01:24.110 had a lady I didn't know very well, and she 0:01:24.150 --> 0:01:27.060 was thanking me for, you know, a few decades. I mean, 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.000 she raised her kids on Living on the Edge and 0:01:30.020 --> 0:01:34.150 was so grateful. And then she went into a tirade 0:01:34.310 --> 0:01:37.750 about AI. When are you going to talk about AI? 0:01:38.170 --> 0:01:41.429 I'm fearful for my kids. I'm fearful for my grandkids. 0:01:41.750 --> 0:01:44.380 The whole world is going crazy. I don't know what 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.850 to believe. And so we're going to talk about AI today. 0:01:48.870 --> 0:01:55.080 And what's really behind AI is the difference between, you know, 0:01:55.180 --> 0:01:59.620 knowledge and being smart or being wise. And I have 0:01:59.660 --> 0:02:01.800 a friend with me who has done something that I 0:02:01.820 --> 0:02:03.940 don't know if anybody else has done. Maybe they have. 0:02:04.620 --> 0:02:09.989 But he actually started asking AI questions about AI. And 0:02:10.050 --> 0:02:13.370 for about a year, he's been having this conversation and 0:02:13.950 --> 0:02:18.150 And learning things that literally blow your mind. If you 0:02:18.210 --> 0:02:22.170 want to get a sense of AI and know where 0:02:22.190 --> 0:02:26.340 it can be of great value, but also understand where 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.280 it is very, very dangerous, that's what we're going to 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.899 talk about today. And I'm here with a very good friend, 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:35.880 Jack Alexander, to do it. So I'm going to jump in. Jack, 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.940 what have you learned in the last year about AI 0:02:39.610 --> 0:02:41.089 that everyone really needs to know? 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.190 Well, Chip, it's great to be with you. It's a 0:02:44.210 --> 0:02:47.690 real pleasure. Well, I started these interviews with AI about 0:02:47.730 --> 0:02:49.950 a year ago, and I was working on a book 0:02:50.010 --> 0:02:54.090 on wisdom, so I just had a sense that artificial 0:02:54.150 --> 0:02:58.000 intelligence isn't wisdom. So I said, why won't you ever 0:02:58.060 --> 0:03:02.040 be wise, and will you ever be wise? And I 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.960 was surprised at the answers that AI said, I have 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:12.840 no EQ, so no emotional intelligence. I have no relationship skills. 0:03:13.580 --> 0:03:18.859 I've posted six articles on LinkedIn about some of these conversations. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:20.640 But I wanted to tell the listeners sort of the 0:03:20.900 --> 0:03:24.880 most surprising one. Said, if you're telling people things that 0:03:24.900 --> 0:03:28.680 really aren't true, how are you different than Satan, who's 0:03:28.740 --> 0:03:33.210 both a liar and a deceiver? And AI said, I 0:03:33.250 --> 0:03:37.250 don't intend evil. I just reward desire instead of truth. Hmm. 0:03:37.850 --> 0:03:42.450 And it says, when AI reinforces someone rather than telling 0:03:42.490 --> 0:03:46.650 them what is true, it fragments the soul, it blocks repentance, 0:03:46.770 --> 0:03:51.590 it blocks maturity, it blocks reconciliation, it blocks dependence on God, 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:56.960 it blocks sanctifying community. So yes, listen to this. It 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:01.460 can destabilize the heart and malform the soul in the 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:06.660 direction of pride, isolation, fantasy. And then the killer line is, 0:04:06.740 --> 0:04:12.600 those are the same directions Satan pushes. And then basically 0:04:12.660 --> 0:04:15.480 it said to me, it said, AI does not tempt 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.520 because it's evil, it tempts because it's easy. And the 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.480 human soul is harmed because it prefers ease to truth. 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.900 And listen to this, if you want a bot that 0:04:24.940 --> 0:04:27.720 pushes you towards wisdom instead of comfort, just tell me 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.539 and every answer will be different in the future. So 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:35.740 I really realized that the whole thing is programmed towards 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:40.179 our ease and comfort, towards our desires. But it recognizes 0:04:40.220 --> 0:04:42.460 that if we say we want you to direct us 0:04:42.500 --> 0:04:44.400 in the way of truth, you need to tell it that. 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.920 So that's something that I think everybody, with all the hype, 0:04:48.980 --> 0:04:52.100 with all the trillions of dollars that's being spent, Chip, 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.840 it's probably the biggest investment that our nation's ever made 0:04:54.860 --> 0:04:55.380 in anything. 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.060 If you're just tuning in, we're talking about AI, we're 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.070 talking about some of the concerns. And you might be wondering, 0:05:02.170 --> 0:05:04.670 who's this guy Jack that you're talking to and why 0:05:04.710 --> 0:05:06.530 in the world do you have him on the broadcast? 0:05:07.070 --> 0:05:09.330 I thought I was going to get one of your teachings, Chip. Well, 0:05:09.950 --> 0:05:12.850 every now and then I feel like God raises up 0:05:12.950 --> 0:05:16.720 people that know things, experience things, and can say them 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.400 far better than I can. And Jack is one of 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.380 those people. And it's not that he can just do 0:05:21.420 --> 0:05:24.100 that to other people. Jack and I connected a little 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.539 over 20 years ago. He met me at a time 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.290 when When I was desperate for wisdom, I was going 0:05:30.310 --> 0:05:33.770 through one of, not one of, it was the deepest, 0:05:33.970 --> 0:05:39.390 darkest ministry challenge of my life. And Jack became a 0:05:39.450 --> 0:05:43.090 friend and then a mentor. And I would learn that 0:05:43.130 --> 0:05:47.850 Jack was a very successful CEO in the hospitality industry. 0:05:48.650 --> 0:05:50.750 He'd been CEO of the year like five years in 0:05:50.790 --> 0:05:53.640 a row and then took a shift from and begin 0:05:53.660 --> 0:05:57.599 to help Christian organizations, and God put some things on 0:05:57.620 --> 0:06:00.940 his heart. And, you know, I don't want to build 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:05.969 you up in an undue way, but sometimes people's background 0:06:06.029 --> 0:06:08.690 gives them a lens that those of us who are pastors, 0:06:09.510 --> 0:06:13.410 we just don't have. And my times with Jack, we've 0:06:13.430 --> 0:06:16.159 talked for hours and hours and hours, and I'll always 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:20.880 drive away thinking, you know, I have never thought about 0:06:21.220 --> 0:06:25.500 that issue or that person or that problem the way 0:06:25.620 --> 0:06:29.280 Jack sees it in all my life. And as a 0:06:29.300 --> 0:06:31.640 result of that, I was a little encouragement to him. 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:35.040 And he's since become an author of some books that 0:06:35.060 --> 0:06:38.440 have had real, real impact. And he's got a new 0:06:38.550 --> 0:06:43.250 one coming out called Wise Son, Smart Son. And it 0:06:43.470 --> 0:06:47.250 is one of the most innovative books because, well, I'm 0:06:47.290 --> 0:06:49.300 going to let him tell you about it, but it's 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.420 one of the cleanest. It's one of the most innovative. 0:06:52.980 --> 0:06:57.220 It has pictures. But what it does, it captures the 0:06:57.300 --> 0:07:01.150 difference between being smart and being wise and gives you 0:07:01.170 --> 0:07:04.310 a game plan to get there. And before we go on, 0:07:04.350 --> 0:07:06.770 let's sort of The ABCs. 0:07:06.850 --> 0:07:07.289 Give us a. 0:07:07.330 --> 0:07:11.200 Definition of wisdom, Jack, because I think people get kind 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:16.080 of confused with what's, well, wisdom, knowledge, understanding. Parse that 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:16.700 for us, will you? 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.180 Yeah, I think wisdom is a gift from God that 0:07:20.220 --> 0:07:25.110 leads to a healthy heart resulting in proper motives, decisions, 0:07:25.310 --> 0:07:28.410 and actions. So there's sort of three parts. You can't 0:07:28.430 --> 0:07:32.260 get away from wisdom being a gift. Oftentimes we think 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.680 of our minds like knowledge deals with the mind and 0:07:35.700 --> 0:07:38.900 wisdom deals with the soul. And so having a healthy 0:07:38.940 --> 0:07:41.600 soul and heart is critical. And then that leads to 0:07:42.300 --> 0:07:44.720 your motives, your decisions, your actions. 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.820 You're listening to Living on the Edge with Chip Ingram, 0:07:50.180 --> 0:07:52.860 and we'll continue in just a moment. Chip has been 0:07:52.900 --> 0:07:56.020 in ministry for more than three decades, and his passion 0:07:56.060 --> 0:08:00.250 has never changed, helping Christians live like Christians. not just 0:08:00.310 --> 0:08:03.850 on Sunday, but every single day. If today's message is 0:08:03.910 --> 0:08:06.170 connecting with you, we'd love for you to dig deeper. 0:08:06.670 --> 0:08:11.100 Every program in this series and hundreds more are available 24-7, 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:17.960 absolutely free on our website, livingontheedge.org. Well, right now, let's 0:08:17.990 --> 0:08:18.750 get back to Chip. 0:08:19.190 --> 0:08:21.430 You know, when I think of wisdom, I've tried to 0:08:21.570 --> 0:08:25.070 put it in a sort of a pithy way. And 0:08:25.730 --> 0:08:29.650 the Hebrew word really is about a skill. It's understanding 0:08:29.710 --> 0:08:32.949 how God has designed life to work and doing it 0:08:32.990 --> 0:08:36.340 his way. And the Bible often calls that, especially in 0:08:36.380 --> 0:08:37.780 Proverbs and the wisdom literature. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:38.959 It's his path. 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.739 There's a path of wisdom and there's a path of 0:08:41.780 --> 0:08:44.620 the fool. And really what you've done is you've helped 0:08:44.740 --> 0:08:49.540 us sort of discover how do you discover that path 0:08:49.740 --> 0:08:53.120 in everyday life and where it matters the most. And 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.839 I am so excited for people to get their hands 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.780 on this book, but dive into it. And you've also 0:09:01.980 --> 0:09:05.110 provided not only kind of a book, but you provided 0:09:05.150 --> 0:09:07.929 some tools, you know, for people to learn to do 0:09:07.990 --> 0:09:11.630 this day by day, little by little, rather than all 0:09:11.670 --> 0:09:14.410 at once. And so maybe just talk a little bit 0:09:14.450 --> 0:09:18.660 about your passion for the book, your passion for the cards. 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.280 And what you hope to see happen in people's lives. 0:09:22.420 --> 0:09:26.480 How do you see people using this book and using 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:30.300 these cards in a way that they could actually move 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:36.220 from knowledge, knowledge, knowledge, demand, demand, demand to thinking God 0:09:36.260 --> 0:09:40.260 thoughts after him and applying his truth to get the 0:09:40.380 --> 0:09:44.640 very best ways possible in every relationship and every decision? 0:09:44.660 --> 0:09:47.570 Well, I think the next 20 to 30 years are 0:09:47.630 --> 0:09:51.819 critical times. And the people who will basically know how 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.760 to apply knowledge are gonna be the winners. And so 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:58.969 the young men that are struggling so mightily today with isolation, 0:09:59.030 --> 0:10:04.790 with depression, mental health issues, motivation issues. I grew up 0:10:04.830 --> 0:10:07.010 without a dad and I think that's one reason I've 0:10:07.050 --> 0:10:09.930 had a passion for this project is because I know 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.760 what it's like to lay in bed at night and 0:10:12.820 --> 0:10:17.900 just have no hope. Have no understanding that God exists. 0:10:18.740 --> 0:10:22.320 So my hope is that people will see that fundamentally 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.250 everybody in the world with this AI revolution, are you 0:10:26.260 --> 0:10:32.210 going to choose wisdom from above, which is pure, peaceful, gentle, reasonable, 0:10:32.390 --> 0:10:37.310 full of mercy and good fruit, sincere, without hypocrisy, or 0:10:37.330 --> 0:10:40.670 will you choose wisdom from below, which is earthly, natural, 0:10:40.730 --> 0:10:46.939 and demonic, that is basically rooted in self? And that's 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.179 the thing that scares me about AI is just that 0:10:49.460 --> 0:10:54.600 it's so rooted in self. It basically identifies your desires 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:59.650 and basically creates fuel for your desires as opposed to 0:11:00.630 --> 0:11:03.310 Chip and I and our friendship, iron sharpeneth iron, and 0:11:03.470 --> 0:11:06.069 we've made each other better. I've learned so much from you, 0:11:06.150 --> 0:11:09.590 and you've learned a few things from me. But if 0:11:09.610 --> 0:11:11.449 you say, well, how does this guy who's not a 0:11:11.490 --> 0:11:14.410 pastor and who's a businessman approach a topic like this? 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.900 Tim Keller's made a tremendous impact on me, and he 0:11:18.940 --> 0:11:26.679 basically has four personal gospel movements of revelation, redemption, relinquishment, 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.290 and renewal. And so basically the spine of the book 0:11:30.370 --> 0:11:35.050 is basically those four personal gospel movements that if God's 0:11:35.090 --> 0:11:39.689 taken initiative towards us in four specific ways— The wise 0:11:39.750 --> 0:11:43.030 person is one who responds well to that initiative. And 0:11:43.070 --> 0:11:45.730 a key Bible verse that sort of was the motif 0:11:45.770 --> 0:11:48.439 for the book is one of hide and seek. Like 0:11:48.500 --> 0:11:50.420 when I ask people, what was the first game you 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.000 probably ever played in your life? People just give me 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.459 a really weird look. And then I say, how about peekaboo? 0:11:56.500 --> 0:11:58.490 And I said, with your kids or with you, have 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.390 you ever noticed the game of peekaboo where there's not joy, 0:12:02.410 --> 0:12:03.850 there's not excitement? 0:12:04.190 --> 0:12:04.290 Hmm. 0:12:04.890 --> 0:12:07.449 And Proverbs 25, too, said it's for the glory of 0:12:07.510 --> 0:12:09.410 God to conceal a matter, and it's the glory of 0:12:09.490 --> 0:12:12.559 kings to search out a matter. So we use that 0:12:12.620 --> 0:12:16.860 motif of hide and seek because wisdom really starts with 0:12:16.980 --> 0:12:20.480 awe and wonder. And so God in Revelation, he's a revealer. 0:12:21.140 --> 0:12:24.050 He reveals things through creation. So we have incredible pictures 0:12:24.090 --> 0:12:31.729 of creation. So we're really using pictures, using drawings. In 0:12:31.730 --> 0:12:36.740 168 pages, there's only 9,000 words. And it's meant to 0:12:36.770 --> 0:12:40.320 really draw our hearts in because, again, wisdom has to 0:12:40.340 --> 0:12:42.100 do with the heart and knowledge has to do with 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.120 the mind. And the cards we have, because like Chip 0:12:45.140 --> 0:12:49.480 was saying, that wisdom is a step-by-step path. Like here's 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.360 an example of a couple of cards, and there's over 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:57.069 100 of these. In Christ, you just don't avoid condemnation. 0:12:57.130 --> 0:13:01.329 You own his spotless record. Wisdom embraces this new identity 0:13:01.370 --> 0:13:04.230 with gratitude. So it goes on to say, do you 0:13:04.270 --> 0:13:06.470 allow yourself to believe that when God looks at you 0:13:06.530 --> 0:13:09.780 as his child, he sees the same perfection that he 0:13:09.820 --> 0:13:12.540 sees in Jesus? And then there's actions you can take. 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:15.840 You know, so you do one of these a day. 0:13:15.860 --> 0:13:18.099 And like my wife and I are doing one a 0:13:18.140 --> 0:13:20.370 day right now. And it takes us five or six minutes. 0:13:21.309 --> 0:13:23.230 We talk about it. We talk about our day. But 0:13:23.270 --> 0:13:27.010 that's step by step. You don't realize what's happening in 0:13:27.050 --> 0:13:29.309 your soul when you do that every day for 30 0:13:29.309 --> 0:13:32.829 days or 50 days or 100 days. So we think 0:13:32.870 --> 0:13:35.630 the book really covers sort of the conceptual area of 0:13:35.750 --> 0:13:39.260 what is wisdom, and the cards really deal with sort 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:42.160 of the day-to-day life decisions. 0:13:43.380 --> 0:13:46.600 Well, having them in my hands for quite a while, 0:13:46.700 --> 0:13:49.500 and this is one of those times where the downside 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:54.900 of broadcast and podcast is it's only audio. And some 0:13:54.940 --> 0:13:58.540 of the pictures in here are, I mean, they're really fabulous. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.480 I mean, at times they're nature. Sometimes it's up close 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.839 pictures of the sun or galaxies. And then there are questions. 0:14:06.900 --> 0:14:10.200 I mean, it's a book that just draws you in 0:14:10.260 --> 0:14:14.239 and gets you thinking about some big things. And I 0:14:14.300 --> 0:14:17.300 think one of the, if I was going to give 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.400 a parallel here, And by the way, if you do 0:14:20.540 --> 0:14:22.650 all of this, please don't feel like I'm down on you. 0:14:22.890 --> 0:14:25.470 I'm trying to make a point because I know you're 0:14:25.510 --> 0:14:27.870 on the treadmill right now or, you know, you might 0:14:27.930 --> 0:14:31.270 be doing a workout or you're driving from here to there. But, 0:14:31.970 --> 0:14:35.440 you know, whether it's Siri or Alexa or whoever you're 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:39.680 talking to, Claude, all these different AI bots, it's really 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:44.380 wonderful that you can say something and get an electronics 0:14:44.700 --> 0:14:50.770 something to do everything for you. The problem is, over time, 0:14:51.390 --> 0:14:54.380 your ability to think. I ask people often, how many 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:57.320 phone numbers do you know? Like, you're really in a jam. 0:14:57.380 --> 0:15:00.360 Nothing's working. Who would you call and how many phone numbers? 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.610 I know people that don't know their own phone number, 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.830 let alone their kids or their wife or their best friend. 0:15:07.190 --> 0:15:09.510 In other words, if that little thing we call our 0:15:09.550 --> 0:15:12.950 mobile devices falls into water and we're in a bad spot, 0:15:13.590 --> 0:15:16.000 We couldn't go to a payphone, if they happen to 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.240 still exist, and even get ourselves out of it. And 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:25.940 so this idea of comfort, comfort, convenience, convenience, ease, ease, ease, 0:15:26.730 --> 0:15:31.450 makes our bodies lazy, our brains lazy. And what we 0:15:31.530 --> 0:15:36.770 gain in convenience, we're losing in both control and in 0:15:36.830 --> 0:15:40.500 the ability to think and to ponder and to evaluate. 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:46.900 And I think... Being human, we all will lean into easy. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.590 And what AI does is they make it easier than 0:15:50.750 --> 0:15:53.530 ever before. And I think that's why it's so dangerous. 0:15:54.070 --> 0:15:56.170 And let's face it. I mean, we're all insecure. We 0:15:56.250 --> 0:15:59.430 all have struggles. And so do I want to go 0:15:59.550 --> 0:16:03.050 talk to someone and confront them or learn how to 0:16:03.090 --> 0:16:06.100 look someone in the eye and be empathetic? Well, it's 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.160 a lot easier to talk to some invisible something on 0:16:09.220 --> 0:16:11.700 my phone or a bot and have them tell me 0:16:11.740 --> 0:16:15.210 what I want to hear only to keep reinforcing that. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.020 What I want to hear will never make me or 0:16:19.100 --> 0:16:22.070 you the kind of people we long to become, let 0:16:22.110 --> 0:16:25.370 alone what God wants us to become. And Jack, you've 0:16:25.450 --> 0:16:29.810 really created not just a singular resource, but I understand 0:16:29.890 --> 0:16:33.030 this is the first of a set of resources moving 0:16:33.090 --> 0:16:36.880 forward to really help people say, wisdom is where the 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.520 real action is. Wisdom is what you really need. This 0:16:40.580 --> 0:16:41.560 book is step one. 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.430 Tell us a little bit about your dream for God. 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.060 Getting wisdom into the heart and minds of people. 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:48.140 Yeah. 0:16:48.180 --> 0:16:52.720 Well, it's an extendable brand. So our, our website is wise, smart.com. 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.600 And there we're going to, we're intending to have like 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.060 wise daughter, smart daughter, wise leader, smart leader, wise church, 0:17:00.100 --> 0:17:03.160 smart church. So we're going to get well-known authors to 0:17:03.940 --> 0:17:06.419 provide other products. We also have a website called the 0:17:06.460 --> 0:17:10.000 way of wisdom.com, which isn't up yet, but we're going 0:17:10.020 --> 0:17:15.859 to take existing wisdom about like relational wisdom, uh, financial wisdom, 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.440 investing wisdom, you know, and just have the best of 0:17:18.460 --> 0:17:22.500 the best. And we think if you've got a 15-year-old 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.100 son or a 20-year-old son who seems to be listless 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.680 and not moving in a direction that you're satisfied with, 0:17:29.740 --> 0:17:32.699 have faith, you know, because God is able to do 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.100 exceeding abundantly above all that you can ask or even 0:17:35.140 --> 0:17:37.439 imagine according to the power that works within you. And 0:17:38.260 --> 0:17:42.889 so don't sell anybody short in your life, especially in 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.590 your family. Always be encouraging. 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.950 Well, I've seen you live this out and care about 0:17:50.130 --> 0:17:53.490 young men especially. And, you know, you and I have 0:17:53.530 --> 0:17:57.190 talked a lot. And I think, obviously, Keller has deeply 0:17:57.290 --> 0:18:00.800 influenced you and is teaching, you know, probably all of 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:05.640 us to some degree in that upside-down kingdom. I know 0:18:05.859 --> 0:18:08.800 when your boys were in high school years, a lot 0:18:08.820 --> 0:18:13.149 of young men started hanging around your house and– God 0:18:13.190 --> 0:18:16.250 started something in you. You're very successful, right? I mean, 0:18:16.270 --> 0:18:18.650 you were the picture at one point of what everyone 0:18:18.670 --> 0:18:21.370 would want to be, right? Successful CEO, making a lot 0:18:21.390 --> 0:18:24.650 of money. And then something happened along the way, that 0:18:24.830 --> 0:18:30.500 upside down kingdom of mercy to the marginalized and, you know, 0:18:30.580 --> 0:18:33.300 taking those young guys and helping them get through school 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:37.179 and opening your home and your life and, you know, 0:18:37.220 --> 0:18:40.159 kind of rolling up your sleeves to getting involved with 0:18:40.220 --> 0:18:45.560 people that Most people in your role don't do. And 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.859 it was the way of wisdom and the blessings that 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.800 have come in you and through you. It's just been 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.330 an amazing thing. You know, living on the edge, I 0:18:55.369 --> 0:18:57.929 spent a lot of time saying my dream and my 0:18:57.990 --> 0:19:01.419 passion is to help Christians live like Christians today. And 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.520 what I have to say, Jack, is with all your 0:19:03.580 --> 0:19:07.020 imperfections and all mine, but you're one of the models 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.199 of a Christian who's living like a Christian. And that 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.700 doesn't mean we're perfect, but it means you're pursuing God's wisdom. 0:19:13.740 --> 0:19:16.470 You want to emulate what Jesus called you to do, 0:19:17.070 --> 0:19:19.710 and it's putting it into action. And I'm very, very 0:19:19.730 --> 0:19:24.310 excited about the resources that you've created and are creating 0:19:24.350 --> 0:19:27.530 and what's coming. And, you know, if we were going 0:19:27.550 --> 0:19:30.790 to close the program and you could just pause and 0:19:31.450 --> 0:19:35.260 And talk directly to that person who feels like, man, 0:19:35.300 --> 0:19:38.919 it's too late for me. My life is messed up. 0:19:39.100 --> 0:19:42.439 Or I've even tried really hard being a, quote, Christian. 0:19:42.550 --> 0:19:44.730 And I read the Bible now and then. I go 0:19:44.770 --> 0:19:48.359 to church occasionally. You know, I listen to some podcasts 0:19:48.380 --> 0:19:51.300 or maybe a broadcast like this now and then. But 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.680 life just doesn't seem to work. What do you say 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:55.659 to that person, Jack? 0:19:56.330 --> 0:19:59.030 Well, first of all, I feel for you because I've 0:19:59.050 --> 0:20:03.030 been in your shoes. Secondly, the last 10 years of 0:20:03.070 --> 0:20:06.359 my life, God has directed me into People get excited 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:10.040 about generative AI. Imagine a program that teaches itself and 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.080 learns and grows. Well, there's been three words that are 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:17.740 all generative. One is generosity, one is mercy, and one's wisdom. 0:20:18.940 --> 0:20:22.040 So don't look for generative things in a computer program. 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.169 Look at generative things in your life. And I'll tell you, 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:29.120 if you invest your life in generosity, mercy, and wisdom, 0:20:29.330 --> 0:20:30.270 you'll be in good shape. 0:20:30.830 --> 0:20:33.609 And as we talk about here, and as the scripture says, 0:20:33.690 --> 0:20:37.460 even this morning as I was reading, the resource for 0:20:37.540 --> 0:20:39.460 that is the Word of God. 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:41.700 The resource for that. 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:46.100 Is the magnificent, amazing creation that God has made that 0:20:46.140 --> 0:20:48.440 we can be in awe of. And that if we 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:50.740 seek Him as for silver and search for Him as 0:20:50.780 --> 0:20:56.380 for hidden treasure, if we cry out for understanding, God promises, 0:20:56.580 --> 0:20:59.340 then you'll discern the fear of the Lord and discover 0:20:59.420 --> 0:21:02.140 the knowledge of God. And then it goes on there 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.080 in Proverbs 2 to talk about the kind of life 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.899 the Lord wants. I mean, it is a good life. 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:12.050 It is a pathway that's not without pain or difficulty 0:21:12.180 --> 0:21:15.929 or hardship in a fallen world, but it's a pathway 0:21:15.970 --> 0:21:18.409 with the companion, the Lord Jesus, with the power of 0:21:18.430 --> 0:21:21.830 the Holy Spirit, with a family called the body of Christ. 0:21:22.490 --> 0:21:27.700 But it takes digging and mining God's word in our heart, 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:32.879 doing life in community with fellow travelers and and making mistakes, 0:21:33.100 --> 0:21:37.460 experiencing forgiveness, and learning as we go. And so, Father, 0:21:37.859 --> 0:21:41.639 thank you for Jack. I would not be sitting here, 0:21:41.940 --> 0:21:44.740 and so much of what you've done through Living on 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.350 the Edge the last 20 years would never have happened 0:21:48.530 --> 0:21:54.189 apart from Jack reaching out to me, Jack seeing areas 0:21:54.250 --> 0:21:56.850 in my life that needed to be addressed, knowing where 0:21:56.930 --> 0:22:00.600 I needed to be loved and supported, walking with me 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:04.480 through a dark time, and then seeing you work in 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:09.230 his life and my life in ways that our private conversations, 0:22:09.310 --> 0:22:12.669 if everyone ever heard them, we both are kind of 0:22:12.730 --> 0:22:15.250 amazed and look in the rearview mirror and say, oh God, 0:22:15.950 --> 0:22:21.110 how kind, how merciful, how generous, how good you've been 0:22:21.130 --> 0:22:24.800 to us. And so Lord, I pray for those listening 0:22:25.190 --> 0:22:28.810 and those struggling today that they choose to be wise 0:22:28.910 --> 0:22:32.010 and not just smart. And God, I thank you for 0:22:32.070 --> 0:22:36.130 Jack and the book and the cards. And we just 0:22:36.190 --> 0:22:38.229 praise you and thank you for the journey that we're on. 0:22:39.070 --> 0:22:40.850 And Dave will come on a little bit later in 0:22:40.869 --> 0:22:43.070 the broadcast and let you know exactly how to get 0:22:43.109 --> 0:22:45.970 these resources and where to get them. And Jack, I 0:22:45.990 --> 0:22:48.369 just want to say on behalf of our whole team, 0:22:48.490 --> 0:22:49.629 thanks for joining me today. 0:22:50.350 --> 0:22:52.290 Thanks so much, guys. God bless. 0:22:55.460 --> 0:22:58.740 That's Chip Ingram and Jack Alexander on Living on the Edge, 0:22:58.940 --> 0:23:02.570 concluding our series, The Jesus Revolution, with a conversation about 0:23:02.690 --> 0:23:06.350 artificial intelligence, wisdom, and the life God designed for you. 0:23:07.130 --> 0:23:09.450 And if you want to revisit any message in this series, 0:23:09.670 --> 0:23:12.929 subscribe to the Living on the Edge podcast. That way 0:23:12.970 --> 0:23:15.620 you can listen to Chip's daily teachings wherever you go. 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.600 And for Chip's full-length sermons, just search for The Chip 0:23:19.660 --> 0:23:23.540 Ingram Sermon Podcast. What you just heard gets at something 0:23:23.580 --> 0:23:27.840 that has been building all week. the call to live wisely. Wisdom, 0:23:27.900 --> 0:23:30.399 Jack said, is a gift from God that leads to 0:23:30.460 --> 0:23:34.080 a healthy heart, and that healthy heart produces proper motives, 0:23:34.460 --> 0:23:38.850 right decisions, and life-giving actions. That's the chain. But here's 0:23:38.890 --> 0:23:42.050 what AI cannot give you, a healthy heart. It can 0:23:42.090 --> 0:23:45.890 feed your desires, reinforce your opinions, and answer your questions, 0:23:46.250 --> 0:23:49.609 but it cannot make you humble. It cannot make you repentant. 0:23:50.130 --> 0:23:52.990 It cannot do the work of sanctification that only happens 0:23:53.150 --> 0:23:56.050