WEBVTT - Ep. 779: Bonus - The Hide Hunters, Ch. 1: Ghosts

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening to our latest bonus drop of the

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<v Speaker 1>Meat Eater podcast. What you're about to hear is a

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<v Speaker 1>chapter from our new audio original, Meat Eater's American History,

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<v Speaker 1>The Hide Hunters eighteen sixty five to eighteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 1>If you like what you're hearing, you can go find

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<v Speaker 1>the complete work anywhere that you get your audio books. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>Meat Eater's American History, The Hide Hunters eighteen sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>to eighteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's a little taste called Ghosts. Chapter one. Ghosts.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get something cleared up right away before we even

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<v Speaker 2>begin this story. There is no difference between the animal

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<v Speaker 2>known as the American buffalo and the animal known as

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<v Speaker 2>a bison. Both names refer to the creature whose scientific

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<v Speaker 2>name is bison bison. The confusion about this meaning, the

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<v Speaker 2>confusion about whether you call them buffalo or bison, stems

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<v Speaker 2>from the fact that Europeans who arrived in what is

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<v Speaker 2>now America didn't know what to make of these one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand pound or even two thousand pound catile like creatures

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<v Speaker 2>with sharply curved horns, hugely humped backs, wooly textured hides,

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<v Speaker 2>and delicious meat at various times, various people called them cows,

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<v Speaker 2>crook backed oxen, and leboeuf sauvage, which translates to wild beeves,

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<v Speaker 2>but eventually they settled on buffalo because the animal did

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<v Speaker 2>look a hell of a lot like its distant relatives,

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<v Speaker 2>the cape buffalo of Africa and the water buffalo of Asia. Eventually, though,

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<v Speaker 2>it began occurring to folks that similarities be damned, the

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<v Speaker 2>animal wasn't technically a buffalo. Species began to gradually shift

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<v Speaker 2>to bison, and the bison adopters started to correct the

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<v Speaker 2>buffalo users in classic no ith All fashion, usually by

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<v Speaker 2>saying something like did you know that it's actually called

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<v Speaker 2>a bison. So if you are one of these folks

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<v Speaker 2>who has to roll their eyes or feign confusion whenever

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<v Speaker 2>you hear them called the buffalo, I'm sorry you are

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<v Speaker 2>in for a rough ride on this story, because this

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<v Speaker 2>is a story about buffalo American buffalo. If you know

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<v Speaker 2>only one thing about these animals, it's probably this. There

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<v Speaker 2>used to be a hell of a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 2>and now there aren't that many. For most Americans, the

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<v Speaker 2>buffalo doesn't symbolize wild nature in the way that a

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<v Speaker 2>wole for an elk or a mountain goat does. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>these massive creatures call to mind a lost world. When

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<v Speaker 2>we look at the animals and the few places where

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<v Speaker 2>they still exist as a wild creature, they bring to

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<v Speaker 2>mind a sort of sadness or a sense of regret

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<v Speaker 2>that things hadn't gone differently for the species, and in

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<v Speaker 2>a way differently for us as Americans who love wildlife

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<v Speaker 2>as well. This here is the story of the men

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<v Speaker 2>who brought that unfortunate reality into existence. They refer to

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<v Speaker 2>themselves as buffalo hunters, but we know of them today

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<v Speaker 2>as the hide hunters. In little more than a decade

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<v Speaker 2>after the end of the Civil War, they wiped the

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<v Speaker 2>Great Planes clear of their most stunning, most visible, and

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<v Speaker 2>most important wildlife species, the American buffalo. In the eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventies and early eighteen eighties, commercial demand for leather made

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<v Speaker 2>from the skin of these animals allowed the hide hunters

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<v Speaker 2>to make a living shooting and skinning them by the

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<v Speaker 2>thousands individually and by the millions collectively. At the most

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<v Speaker 2>basic level, hide hunters were market hunters, a term that

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<v Speaker 2>refers to individuals who kill wild animals to sell their meat, skin, feathers, horns,

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<v Speaker 2>or any other part of their bodies that has commercial value.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the course of American history, there have been a

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<v Speaker 2>number of market hunting booms, and it's no coincidence that

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<v Speaker 2>these eras have left us with some of our wildest

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<v Speaker 2>tales of wilderness adventure. Daniel Boone was a market hunter

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<v Speaker 2>who trafficked in white tailed deer skins in the mid

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<v Speaker 2>to late seventeen hundreds. Davy Crockett was a market hunter

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<v Speaker 2>who trafficked in bear meat and bear grease in the

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<v Speaker 2>early eighteen hundreds. Jim Bridger and John Colter were market

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<v Speaker 2>hunters who trafficked in beaver skins for a handful of decades,

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<v Speaker 2>ending at around eighteen forty each of these generations. In

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<v Speaker 2>each of these individuals pursued this unique existence for a

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<v Speaker 2>variety of different reasons, but above all else, their primary

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<v Speaker 2>motivation was financial. Whitetail hunting for Boone, beaver trapping for Bridger.

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<v Speaker 2>Buffalo hunting for the hide hunters was a lifestyle, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but most importantly we need to understand it as a livelihood.

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<v Speaker 2>These buffalo hide hunters did their work with ruthless efficiency,

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<v Speaker 2>from the sweltering plains of Texas to the frozen planes

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<v Speaker 2>of the Canadian border, armed with what we might call

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<v Speaker 2>the next generation weapons of their day, high powered breech

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<v Speaker 2>loading rifles, some with telescopic sights that could drop a

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand pound bull buffalo at distances that most shooters

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<v Speaker 2>today would have a hard time matching. Despite how foreign

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<v Speaker 2>the actions of these men might seem to us in

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty first century, this tragic, stunning, jaw dropping, awe

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<v Speaker 2>inspiring saga took place in a world that is not

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<v Speaker 2>so terribly distant from the one we live in now.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to shooting guns that fired brass casings, they

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<v Speaker 2>read newspapers. They traveled by train, and they ordered some

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<v Speaker 2>of the things they wanted, including sometimes their rifles, through

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<v Speaker 2>the mail. Many of them, years after the slaughter, would

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<v Speaker 2>flip light switches. Some would even drive cars. And yet

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<v Speaker 2>they carried out a campaign of unintentional eradication that is

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<v Speaker 2>unthinkable to us today. The hide hunters didn't arrive in

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<v Speaker 2>ships from across the ocean. They weren't exploring places that

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<v Speaker 2>had never been seen by a white man. They didn't

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<v Speaker 2>rack up a list of crazy firsts. The first person

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<v Speaker 2>of European descent to reach the Texas Panhandle where a

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<v Speaker 2>good hunk of this story takes place, got there three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty four years before the start of this story.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the Spanish Conquisodor Coronado, the first non indigenous

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<v Speaker 2>people to cross the continent. The Lewis and Clark expedition

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<v Speaker 2>had done so sixty years before the start of this story.

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<v Speaker 2>There are no frontier luminaries in here. There are no

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Boons or Jim Bridges among the hide hunters. We've

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<v Speaker 2>mythologized those hunters and trappers into honorary founding fathers. They

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<v Speaker 2>star in countless films and TV shows and songs and

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<v Speaker 2>campfire tales. But the hide hunters. They don't make movies

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<v Speaker 2>about them. Children don't play games pretending to be them. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>a few of the hide hunters became well known for

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<v Speaker 2>doing other stuff later on, like being gunfighters and ranchers

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<v Speaker 2>and entertainers and conservationists, but their names as hide hunters

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<v Speaker 2>are largely absent from the annals of history. There were

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<v Speaker 2>maybe about five thousand of them in total, who worked

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<v Speaker 2>as either a shooter, a skinner, or simply a hired hand.

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<v Speaker 2>There were many colorful characters, some with quite descriptive nicknames.

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<v Speaker 2>You had Charles, squirrel Eye, Emery soor Toed Joe, Limpy,

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Smith. You had Snuffer, Soda water Jack, three Finger Foley,

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<v Speaker 2>and Buffalo Jones. Dirty Face Jones got his name when

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<v Speaker 2>a bullet intended to kill him missed his head, but

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<v Speaker 2>his would be killer was so close that the burning

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<v Speaker 2>flash of powder seared his cheeks and nose. You could

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<v Speaker 2>be forgiven for confusing dirty Face Jones with powder Face Hudson,

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<v Speaker 2>but his two different fellas Wrongwheeled Jones committed an innocent

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<v Speaker 2>act of stupidity that he'd never lived down when he

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<v Speaker 2>insisted to a group of his fellow hunters that it

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<v Speaker 2>was impossible to replace a broken wheel on the right

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<v Speaker 2>side of a wagon with a wheel from the left side.

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<v Speaker 2>To illustrate the fraught nature of their work, considered us

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<v Speaker 2>a few short things about skunks. The hide hunter Skunk

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson is largely remembered for an episode when he was

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<v Speaker 2>trapped inside his cave like shelter known as a dugout

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<v Speaker 2>by a party of hostile Indians. The siege lasted fifteen days,

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<v Speaker 2>during which time he only ate skunks. Another hunter, known

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<v Speaker 2>as Kentuck, was bitten by a rabbit skunk, causing him

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<v Speaker 2>to crawl underneath a railroad water tank in a delusional fit,

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<v Speaker 2>where he died. A third hide hunter, whose name is

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<v Speaker 2>lost to history, also suffered a bite from a rabbit skunk.

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<v Speaker 2>When he felt the beginning of a spasm of hydrophobia,

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<v Speaker 2>as the condition was known, he walked out behind a

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<v Speaker 2>building and swallowed a gulp of strychnine, which the hide

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<v Speaker 2>hunters used to protect their stack of buffalo skins from bugs, vermin,

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<v Speaker 2>and other prairie scavengers, and also on occasion to poison

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<v Speaker 2>wolves for a little side money that could be made

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<v Speaker 2>from selling their hides. These were not wealthy or well

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<v Speaker 2>connected men. They were as blue collar, working class as

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<v Speaker 2>it gets. They were poor guys born in places like

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<v Speaker 2>Pennsylvania and Georgia and Illinois to farmers and blacksmiths and

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<v Speaker 2>barrel makers. A great many of the hide hunters had

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<v Speaker 2>been tangled up in the horrors of the Civil War

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<v Speaker 2>on both sides of that conflict. As fighting men, killing

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<v Speaker 2>buffalo by the dozens and sometimes upwards of one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>in a day per man, the hide hunters wrought perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>the most egregious episode of natural resource over exploitation in

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<v Speaker 2>the history of the United States, if not the world.

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<v Speaker 2>We simply don't have any other examples, at least in

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<v Speaker 2>the historical era of a comparable, widely distributed wildlife species

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<v Speaker 2>pushed to the brink of collapse so quickly by the

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<v Speaker 2>hands of man. Whatever one thinks about the outcome of

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<v Speaker 2>all that killing, and there's really only one thing to think,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what an incredible waste? You can't escape from

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<v Speaker 2>the reality that these guys were absolute masters of their craft.

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<v Speaker 2>They were tough, They craved adventure, They had incredible endurance,

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<v Speaker 2>They could think fast, they could shoot, they could fight.

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<v Speaker 2>They were brave to the point that it resembles a

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<v Speaker 2>suicidal recklessness. And man, they could work, like work harder

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<v Speaker 2>than anyone you're ever likely to encounter in your own

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<v Speaker 2>life today. What made the era of the hide hunters

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<v Speaker 2>possible was a combination of factors too big and complex

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<v Speaker 2>for most of them to have fully comprehended. In hindsight,

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<v Speaker 2>it look like a perfect storm. For one, consider the

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<v Speaker 2>impact of the railroads. Long hunters like Daniel Boone and

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<v Speaker 2>mountain men like Jim Bridger were distinctly pre industrial. They

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<v Speaker 2>operated within the natural constraints of muscle and bone. The

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<v Speaker 2>Great Bottleneck and their operations was the cold reality of

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<v Speaker 2>needing to move goods deer skins and beaver pelts, respectively,

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<v Speaker 2>to market on the backs of horses and mules. For Boone,

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<v Speaker 2>this meant leading a small string of horses over rough

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<v Speaker 2>trails through the Cumberland Gap and across the Appalachian Mountains.

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<v Speaker 2>The mountain men who plied the streams of the Rockies

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<v Speaker 2>in the eighteen twenties and eighteen thirties moved their furs

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<v Speaker 2>via an annual pack train that took several weeks to

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<v Speaker 2>cross the plains even in good weather. Their operations were

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<v Speaker 2>fueled and limited in scale by equine conveys. For the

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<v Speaker 2>hide hunters, the railroads transformed everything. The heavy, cumbersome, quite

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<v Speaker 2>rigid hides of buffalo were shipped back to the tanneries

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<v Speaker 2>of the East in such quantities that they could not

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<v Speaker 2>possibly have been moved by wagon, train or horseback. The

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<v Speaker 2>timeline alone reveals the connection with stunning clarity. It is

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<v Speaker 2>no coincidence that the hunt in Kansas erupted in eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy two, the same year that the Topeka and Santa

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<v Speaker 2>Fe Railroad arrived in Dodge City. It is no coincidence

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<v Speaker 2>that the height of the killing in Texas followed the

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<v Speaker 2>arrival of the railroad in Fort Worth on July fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen seventy six. And once again it is no coincidence

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<v Speaker 2>that the Northern herd was quickly wiped out following the

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<v Speaker 2>extension of the Northern Pacific Railroad to Miles City in

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen eighty one. At the same time, the proliferation of

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<v Speaker 2>factory machines and the accelerating industrialization of the American economy

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<v Speaker 2>created an insatiable demand for tough, elastic leather that could

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<v Speaker 2>be used as drive belts as in factory belting. Picture

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<v Speaker 2>for a moment. The timing belt in your car are

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<v Speaker 2>in your snowmobile. It's essentially a strap running around two wheels,

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<v Speaker 2>so that when one wheel turns, typically powered by a motor,

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<v Speaker 2>the wheel on the other end turns as well. Simply put,

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<v Speaker 2>a belt transmits power from one place to another, and

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<v Speaker 2>in the ever expanding industrial economy of the late eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>miles of belting were needed to apply power generated by

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<v Speaker 2>steam or water wheels to looms, saws, lathes, and any

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<v Speaker 2>number of applications where machines were doing work that was

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<v Speaker 2>once done by hand. Buffalo leather, which compared to cattle leather,

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<v Speaker 2>was more elastic, while also incredibly tough, served as an

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<v Speaker 2>ideal material for machine belting, and at the very moment

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<v Speaker 2>that transportation networks were able to deliver buffalo hides by

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<v Speaker 2>the millions to eastern tanneries, and those eastern tanneries were

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<v Speaker 2>able to sell unlimited quantities of those process hides. Advances

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<v Speaker 2>and firearms technology accelerated by the Civil War made the

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<v Speaker 2>American riflemen exponentially more effective than his predecessors of only

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<v Speaker 2>a few decades before. Earlier breech loading rifles, to say

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<v Speaker 2>nothing of the muzzleloaders that came before them, were too underpowered,

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<v Speaker 2>too inaccurate, and too clumsy to reload to have been

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<v Speaker 2>capable of the buffalo killing that the hide hunters unleashed

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<v Speaker 2>on the planes. We'll get into the specifics of those

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<v Speaker 2>rifles later on, But just as our story would have

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<v Speaker 2>been impossible without the railroad, it would have been impossible

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<v Speaker 2>without the cutting edge firearms of the post Civil War era.

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<v Speaker 2>The Civil War lurks in the background of this story

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<v Speaker 2>as a sort of dark prequel in the title of

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<v Speaker 2>this work, you'll notice the date range eighteen sixty five

0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:30.200
<v Speaker 2>to eighteen eighty three. Well, eighteen sixty five is the

0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:34.680
<v Speaker 2>year the Civil War ended. The aftermath of that bloody

0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:39.040
<v Speaker 2>war between the states pushed out westward a restless generation

0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.920
<v Speaker 2>of men in search of work and opportunity. It pushed

0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.840
<v Speaker 2>them away from the war ravaged cities and agricultural communities

0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:51.880
<v Speaker 2>of southern reconstruction, away from the strictured discipline and meager

0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:57.880
<v Speaker 2>rations of military service, away from the insecurity and claustrophobia

0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:02.680
<v Speaker 2>of the family farm, way from the starvation wages of

0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.639
<v Speaker 2>the northern factory floor. On the distant plains of the

0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:11.520
<v Speaker 2>American West, they saw a new life of promise, adventure,

0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:17.520
<v Speaker 2>and cash. A couple of years ago, I sat for

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<v Speaker 2>a lengthy interview for a Ken Burns documentary on the

0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.880
<v Speaker 2>history of the American buffalo, and during the editing process,

0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:29.399
<v Speaker 2>I was invited to offer feedback. My primary concern with

0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.560
<v Speaker 2>an early version of the series was that its short

0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:37.160
<v Speaker 2>treatment of the subject of the hide hunters dehumanized them.

0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.080
<v Speaker 2>It made it seem as though they were motivated by

0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:46.280
<v Speaker 2>some sadistic desire to destroy American wildlife. It's understandable how

0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:50.400
<v Speaker 2>people would get that idea, but it's naive. Rather than

0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.360
<v Speaker 2>imagining the hide Hunters as soul as hell billies, it's

0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:58.760
<v Speaker 2>better to see them as the vanguard of industrial capitalism

0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:04.160
<v Speaker 2>on the western planes. In today's world, serious thinkers don't

0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:08.639
<v Speaker 2>personally blame an Appalachian born coal miner for air pollution.

0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:13.240
<v Speaker 2>We don't blame frontline soldiers for the conflicts they fight in,

0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.919
<v Speaker 2>and we don't blame the guys driving concrete trucks and

0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:23.120
<v Speaker 2>hanging drywall for suburban sprawl. Now to that, you might say, well,

0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.919
<v Speaker 2>the Buffalo Hunters knew what they were doing, and the

0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:31.760
<v Speaker 2>collective consequences of their individual actions were incredibly costly. Well,

0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.720
<v Speaker 2>if in fifty years all of the most apocalyptic predictions

0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:39.320
<v Speaker 2>about global warming have come true, I'm not going to

0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.800
<v Speaker 2>say that a guy making a living in a North

0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.399
<v Speaker 2>Dakota oil field was a bad guy. And I'm not

0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.359
<v Speaker 2>going to cite all of the times you turned on

0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.479
<v Speaker 2>your air conditioner or failed to organize car pools instead

0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:57.720
<v Speaker 2>of driving alone. I'd instead point my finger at political inertia,

0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:05.119
<v Speaker 2>societal indifference, imperative of economic growth, and the human tendency

0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:09.840
<v Speaker 2>to endure changes for the worse, rather than trying to

0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:14.520
<v Speaker 2>remedy them. Not that these guys were saints, they most

0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:18.320
<v Speaker 2>certainly were not. It's fair to say that most held

0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.720
<v Speaker 2>the same prejudice views of Native people that were common

0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.560
<v Speaker 2>at the time, and they did not keep those prejudice

0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:30.000
<v Speaker 2>views to themselves either. Some of them were objectively villainous figures,

0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.840
<v Speaker 2>and many had a real pensiant for violence. And I

0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.480
<v Speaker 2>hope it's clear by now that I mourned the consequences

0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:41.240
<v Speaker 2>of their actions. At the same time, to understand them

0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:46.760
<v Speaker 2>as real people requires recognizing the larger systems and structures

0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:50.720
<v Speaker 2>of which they were just one small part, and acknowledging

0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:56.120
<v Speaker 2>that everyone has limited choices from which to choose. As

0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.080
<v Speaker 2>the hide hunter, Frank Mayer said of his time shooting

0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.840
<v Speaker 2>buffalo on the pl planes, he had a hide, the

0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.080
<v Speaker 2>hide was worth money. I was young, twenty two. I

0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.320
<v Speaker 2>could shoot. I'd like to hunt. Wouldn't you have done

0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:13.640
<v Speaker 2>the same thing? If I'm answering that question honestly as

0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.720
<v Speaker 2>your author sitting at a microphone, as a guy who

0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.240
<v Speaker 2>lives for hunting and fishing, and I put myself back

0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:25.119
<v Speaker 2>in Frank Mayer's shoes, I think the answer would be Yeah,

0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:29.280
<v Speaker 2>I would have done the same damn thing. If you've

0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:33.280
<v Speaker 2>never heard of Frank Mayor, you could forgive yourself to

0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.240
<v Speaker 2>put a human face on old Frank. Here's a bit

0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:40.440
<v Speaker 2>about him. Born in eighteen fifty, he was a thirteen

0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:44.120
<v Speaker 2>year old drummer boy for his father's artillery unit when

0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:48.480
<v Speaker 2>he witnessed the Battle of Gettysburg firsthand, where one man

0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:53.720
<v Speaker 2>died for about every ten seconds of fighting. From age

0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:57.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty two to twenty eight, Mayor hunted buffalo on the

0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:02.400
<v Speaker 2>plains of Kansas and Texas, killing thousands. By the time

0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:06.840
<v Speaker 2>the old hide Hunter died on February twelve, nineteen fifty four,

0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:12.280
<v Speaker 2>my own father was thirty years old, Hugh Hefner was

0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:18.280
<v Speaker 2>publishing Playboy magazine, and the Korean War was over. Mayor

0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.480
<v Speaker 2>had survived some of the bloodiest battles of the Civil

0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:26.480
<v Speaker 2>War and lived into the age of nuclear submarines, Burger

0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:31.480
<v Speaker 2>king and corvettes. Mayor is one of those hide hunters

0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:35.080
<v Speaker 2>we know a lot about. There are some others, such

0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:39.440
<v Speaker 2>as Charles Wrath and Jay Wright Moore. These guys were

0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:45.359
<v Speaker 2>pioneers of the trade, recognized by their contemporaries as influential characters.

0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:49.200
<v Speaker 2>If you read anything about this era, you'll run into

0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:53.399
<v Speaker 2>their names again and again. They appear throughout the historical

0:21:53.480 --> 0:22:00.120
<v Speaker 2>record in ledgers, diaries, receipts, newspaper articles, and legal documents

0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:05.320
<v Speaker 2>related to their careers as hide hunters. Other hide hunters

0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:09.200
<v Speaker 2>recorded their experiences in great detail later on in life,

0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.960
<v Speaker 2>either for posterity's sake or to make a little money.

0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Among those is John Cook, who published a memoir, The

0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Border and the Buffalo in nineteen oh seven. During the

0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Civil War, Cook fought for the Union along the bloody

0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:29.679
<v Speaker 2>boundary between Missouri and Kansas, where gorilla forces committed some

0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:34.679
<v Speaker 2>of the most gruesome atrocities of that conflict. Afterward, like

0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:38.679
<v Speaker 2>many of his fellow veterans, he drifted westward. From the

0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:41.920
<v Speaker 2>fall of eighteen seventy four until the spring of eighteen

0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:47.040
<v Speaker 2>seventy eight, Cook hunted the Panhandle of Texas. His descriptions

0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.080
<v Speaker 2>of the day to day business of hunting and skinning

0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:55.840
<v Speaker 2>are vividly detailed. Many hide hunters, like George Reigard, were

0:22:55.880 --> 0:23:00.240
<v Speaker 2>interviewed later in life by local reporters writing for readership's

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:03.960
<v Speaker 2>hungry for stories from the so called Old West. Re

0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Reguard was born in Pennsylvania in eighteen forty seven and

0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:11.879
<v Speaker 2>enlisted in the twenty second Cavalry one month after the

0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Battle of Gettysburg at sixteen years of age. After being

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:19.679
<v Speaker 2>wounded and discharged from the army, he set out for

0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:23.720
<v Speaker 2>western Kansas, where he drove freight wagons and marveled at

0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:28.280
<v Speaker 2>his strange new surroundings before adopting the occupation of a

0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:32.440
<v Speaker 2>hide hunter. Between eighteen seventy one and eighteen seventy three,

0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Reguard killed more than five thousand animals. It was he

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:46.200
<v Speaker 2>recalled buffalo butchery by wholesale. What makes the story you're

0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:51.560
<v Speaker 2>about to hear so historically significant and so viscerally tragic

0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 2>is that the hide hunters came at the end, or

0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:59.240
<v Speaker 2>rather caused the end, of a long procession of buffalo

0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.680
<v Speaker 2>hunters who'd been chasing the animals for more than ten

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:06.639
<v Speaker 2>thousand years across the landscapes that we now call the

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:11.280
<v Speaker 2>United States. Their actions closed out one of the longest

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 2>running cultural and economic life ways that this planet has

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:20.200
<v Speaker 2>ever seen since the arrival of the very first humans

0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 2>in North America. Indigenous people nurtured a relationship with these

0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:28.359
<v Speaker 2>animals that, while it took on different forms at different times.

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Is most remarkable for its sustainability. The first American buffalo

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 2>hunters were ice age immigrants from Siberia who killed a

0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 2>somewhat longer horned variety on the grasslands of northern Alaska

0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 2>using adladdles. Later on, there were buffalo hunters who killed

0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:52.400
<v Speaker 2>great quantities of the animals by driving them over cliffs

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and Alberta and Montana and even down into Texas. There

0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:00.199
<v Speaker 2>were buffalo hunters in the Dakotas who crept up on

0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 2>the animals camouflaged beneath the skins of freshly killed buffalo calves,

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:10.159
<v Speaker 2>close enough to sink a carefully placed arrow into their

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 2>rib cage. And with the spread of equestrian culture among

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 2>the Planes tribes after the Spanish introduced horses into North America,

0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 2>we had buffalo hunters in western Kansas who chased buffalo

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 2>down on horseback and got so close they could have

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:32.680
<v Speaker 2>jumped onto the buffalo's back, but instead held a smooth

0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 2>bore musket barrel right up to the crease behind the

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 2>buffalo's shoulder in order to deliver a lead ball into

0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:45.119
<v Speaker 2>the heart. Without a doubt, the story of each of

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:49.400
<v Speaker 2>those buffalo hunting cultures is worthy of a project like this.

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 2>But this here is not a holistic analysis of the

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 2>different ways that different people hunted buffalo, nor is this

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 2>a comprehensive history of the destruction of the buffalo. That

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 2>tale of shrinking range and collapsing numbers actually spans hundreds

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:12.879
<v Speaker 2>of years in a huge swath of the continent. For

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:16.720
<v Speaker 2>our journey ahead, though a quick overview of that will

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 2>be helpful to you. When Europeans started penetrating into the

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 2>various corners of North America over the sixteen hundreds and

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:28.360
<v Speaker 2>seventeen hundreds, they found scattered groups of buffalo and sometimes

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:33.159
<v Speaker 2>impressive herds in the woods of Pennsylvania and stands of

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:37.399
<v Speaker 2>cain along the Ohio River, along streams in what is

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:41.919
<v Speaker 2>now Nashville, Tennessee, on the shores of Chesapeake Bay, and

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:45.480
<v Speaker 2>in the rolling hills and tall grass prairies of Wisconsin

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 2>and western Minnesota and Iowa. Daniel Boone frequently targeted them

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:56.640
<v Speaker 2>for meat in Kentucky. As Boone and his contemporaries spread

0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 2>out and pushed ever westward, those eastern buffalo herds were

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 2>killed off one by one by pot hunters feeding their

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 2>families and small scale market hunters looking to make a buck.

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:13.280
<v Speaker 2>The various states buffalo populations fell like European nations in

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 2>the wake of the German Blitzkreek. Boone's own son, Nathan,

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 2>killed the last buffalo in Virginia in seventeen ninety seven.

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:27.119
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina wiped out theirs in seventeen ninety nine, and

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky did the same one year later, Pennsylvania the year

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 2>after that. Louisiana killed its last buffalo in eighteen oh three,

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 2>and the last in Illinois and Ohio died in eighteen

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:47.200
<v Speaker 2>oh eight, Tennessee eighteen twenty three, West Virginia eighteen twenty five,

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin eighteen thirty two. By the close of the Civil

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:55.879
<v Speaker 2>War in eighteen sixty five, which again begins the story

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 2>of the hide hunters that I'm going to tell here,

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 2>the animals were still mind blowingly abundant and what you

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 2>might think of as the core of their historic range

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 2>the American Great Plains and the inner mountain valleys of

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 2>the Rockies. Buffalo were still in the Panhandle of North Texas.

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:21.400
<v Speaker 2>They were still in western Oklahoma, Western Kansas, western Nebraska.

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 2>They were still in North and South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming,

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 2>and Colorado were loaded, there were still buffalo in northern

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 2>New Mexico. Admittedly, the best research out there today indicates

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 2>that the herds wiped out by the hide hunters were

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 2>already diminished by a host of factors. Besides bullets, a

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 2>record drought between eighteen fifty six and eighteen sixty four

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 2>helped the diminishment. Competition for grass from wild horses helped.

0:28:55.040 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Diseases like anthrax and bovine tuberculosis introduced by European cattle

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>perhaps helped some. Added to that. Indigenous hunting pressure and

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 2>harvest numbers certainly increased after the ascendancy of equestrian hunting culture,

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:16.239
<v Speaker 2>which inspired many tribes to move onto the plains in

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 2>pursuit of meat for their families and buffalo robes to

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 2>be sold to American traders. So, in terms of what

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 2>the hide hunters destroyed after the Civil War, how many

0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 2>buffalo exactly are we talking about? Historians and ecologists are

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 2>still fighting about that today. A total population of around

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>fifteen million is a safe, currently fashionable number. Compare that

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 2>to the estimated population size in the year eighteen eighty three,

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the end date used in the title of this work.

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>At that point eighteen eighty three, the number of buffalo

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 2>that were still left alive in the unit United States

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 2>was less than one thousand, Or put another way, it

0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 2>was ninety nine zero point nine to nine percent fewer

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 2>than at the close of the Civil War. Here's a

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 2>thing we ought to clear up before we get too

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 2>far along. Common American history lessons about the destruction of

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 2>the herds like to include sordid details about the gross

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 2>excesses of Western travelers and tourists gunning down buffalo from

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:34.000
<v Speaker 2>moving trains or shooting them simply to see how many

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 2>they could get. Sir George Gore, an Irish nobleman, famously

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 2>took a multi year safari in Wyoming's Powder River country

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 2>in the mid eighteen fifties. Accompanied by a small army

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 2>of servants, a selection of fine wines, and a French

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 2>carpet for the floor of his tent. Gore killed some

0:30:55.080 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 2>two thousand bison using seventy five different rifles he brought along.

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 2>He's one of the most obnoxious, reviled characters of the

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 2>American West, and there's no doubt there were a lot

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 2>of buffalo killed just for the sport of it. But

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 2>was it enough to wipe them off the face of

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 2>the continent hardly. Another frequently repeated claim is that the

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>US Army deliberately exterminated the buffalo in order to starve

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 2>the tribes of the plans and force them onto reservations.

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 2>To be fair, there is some anecdotal evidence of individual

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 2>officers and units targeting local buffalo herds in a scorched

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Earth style tactic, and some hide hunters fought side by

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 2>side with army units, including African American units known as

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Buffalo Soldiers, during periods of hostility, especially on the southern plains.

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 2>But was there an actual policy or a broader military

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:01.959
<v Speaker 2>strategy targeting the buffalo. The most frequently cited evidence of

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 2>anything resembling that General Phillip Sheridan's address to the Texas

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Legislature in eighteen seventy five has been thoroughly debunked as

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.840
<v Speaker 2>a hoax invented later in life by a hide hunter

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 2>who wanted to drape the shame of his younger years

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 2>in the flag of patriotic duty. If you start reading

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot about the history of the buffalo, you'll encounter

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 2>that mention of Sheridan's speech again and again. It's bs

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 2>and In truth, all the train shooting and army shooting

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't even matter biologically. It was inconsequential. Today, driving across

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 2>certain stretches of the Great Plains, say Interstate ninety between

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<v Speaker 2>Billings and Miles City, Montana, Interstate seventy from Abilene, Kansas,

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<v Speaker 2>all the way to Colorado, or Interstate forty from Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 2>City across the Texas Panhandle, will feel the hide Hunter's

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<v Speaker 2>legacy in your bones, that haunting emptiness where millions of

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<v Speaker 2>Buffalo should be grazing. This story is an effort to

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<v Speaker 2>resurrect those men who last experienced the Great Herds, those

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<v Speaker 2>men who lived and hunted among them and who destroyed them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an effort to bring them forward, to summon them

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<v Speaker 2>so we can ask them some questions. Where did you

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<v Speaker 2>come from, How exactly did you do what you did,

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<v Speaker 2>what did it cost you, what did you gain in return?

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<v Speaker 2>And why did you do it? We will ask those

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<v Speaker 2>questions and seek their answers in the coming chapters. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>a rough idea of how it will go. We'll begin

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<v Speaker 2>by establishing some essential context for the Hide Hunter story,

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<v Speaker 2>a deep time history of people in Buffalo on the

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<v Speaker 2>Great Plains, in the emergence of the first market for

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 2>buffalo skins in the form of the robe trade. Here

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<v Speaker 2>you'll get a sense of the significance of the animal

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<v Speaker 2>to the original inhabitants of the American West and the

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<v Speaker 2>pre industrial constraints on its commodification. From there, we'll jump

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<v Speaker 2>to the aftermath of the Civil War, in which a

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 2>generation of displaced veterans looked westward for new opportunities at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time that the transcontinental railroads connected the resources

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<v Speaker 2>of the Great Plains with the industrial East. Ground zero

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<v Speaker 2>for this explosive new economy was Dodge City, Kansas, the

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<v Speaker 2>subject of chapter four. It was in this upstart railroad

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<v Speaker 2>town where the business of the hide hunt took on

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 2>its characteristic form and its impact on the resource was

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<v Speaker 2>almost immediately made clear. From there will follow the hide

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 2>hunters as they push into bloody Texas and violation of

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<v Speaker 2>treaties signed between native tribes and the US government. The

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<v Speaker 2>second phase showcases the speed and thoroughness of the slaughter,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as the dangers faced by hide hunters as

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<v Speaker 2>they endured unforgiving landscapes and the ever present potential for hostility.

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<v Speaker 2>Then finally, we'll head north to the plains and bad

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<v Speaker 2>lands of eastern Montana, northern Wyoming, and the western Dakotas,

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<v Speaker 2>where the Hide Hunters endured brutal cold as they finished

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<v Speaker 2>off the last remaining herds of the Great Plains. Along

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<v Speaker 2>the way, we'll discuss the weapons and tactics that made

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<v Speaker 2>the hide Hunters such effective killers. We'll explore how a

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<v Speaker 2>camp full of these rugged characters undertook their day to

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<v Speaker 2>day work, and how they passed a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>free time when they weren't engaged in shooting and skinning.

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<v Speaker 2>Will also give you an in depth examination of how

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<v Speaker 2>they processed buffalo for the market and what happened to

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<v Speaker 2>those hides once they were loaded onto eastbound trains. And lastly,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll dive into the scene that faced the hide Hunters

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<v Speaker 2>when their grizzly work was done and the planes had

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<v Speaker 2>been emptied of herds that once numbered in the tens

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<v Speaker 2>of millions. Throughout this story, you'll come to see the

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<v Speaker 2>Hide Hunters not as larger than life characters or storybook villains,

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<v Speaker 2>but as historical actors faced with a certain set of choices,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll see how their story shaped our contemporary understandings

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<v Speaker 2>of environmental degradation, commercial exploitation, and the mythology of the

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<v Speaker 2>American West. Throughout, we'll point to the facts of how

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<v Speaker 2>we know what we know, so you understand the sources

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<v Speaker 2>and research that went into this in case you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do some follow up reading on your own. As

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<v Speaker 2>for the sources, it would be a sin if I

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<v Speaker 2>did not acknowledge the work of three historians, Miles Gilbert,

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Leo Ramager, and Sharon Cunningham, who have published two initial

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<v Speaker 2>volumes A through D and E through K of an

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<v Speaker 2>ambitious encyclopedia of Buffalo hunters and skinners. It's the most

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<v Speaker 2>comprehensive resource out there for researchers who want to track

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<v Speaker 2>down the names of hide hunters and figure out what

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<v Speaker 2>published and archival materials might exist in order to better

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<v Speaker 2>tell their story. Trust me when I say that our

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<v Speaker 2>telling of the hide hunter story would be missing some

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<v Speaker 2>choice details and incredible anecdotes if it weren't for these

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<v Speaker 2>unique works. Now, let's get on with our story.