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Speaker 4: Tonight.

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Speaker 3: I'm joined by my one O five three the Fan

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Speaker 3: teammate Jake Ritma as always who got the three time

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl champion and six time Pro bowler Nate Newton

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Speaker 3: with us and Our special guest this evening are our

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Speaker 3: Cowboy alumni, two time Cowboy alumni, Oklahoma State and Dallas

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Speaker 3: is Uh former quarterback Tyler Pavin.

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Speaker 4: Tyler, thank you for joining.

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Speaker 2: Us, guys.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, we've just referenced the Oklahoma State portion

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Speaker 3: of that first before.

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Speaker 4: We get into anything about you know, how.

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Speaker 3: You ended up Oklahoma State, because I know you you

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Speaker 3: started in Kansas and you ended up transferring. But your

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Speaker 3: thoughts on the transitionary period right now for Oklahoma State

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Speaker 3: and the Cowboys and where they're at.

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Speaker 5: Man, First, you got to give all respect to Mike

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Speaker 5: Gundy and what he's done there, just the run that

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Speaker 5: he had as a player and a coach. He did

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Speaker 5: amazing things at Oklahoma State, you know, to a point

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Speaker 5: to where they were always you know, close to a

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Speaker 5: ten win season. So all respect to him. Man, It's

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Speaker 5: you know, I think all things, all great things, come

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Speaker 5: to an end, and so it's that time for to

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Speaker 5: make that transition, man, and so looking forward to what

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Speaker 5: that can look like for them in the entire organization.

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Speaker 4: So, so you.

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Speaker 3: You did end up at Oklahoma State, like we just

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Speaker 3: referenced it, you were you were grew up in the

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Speaker 3: Austin area, born in Round Rock, like me too, but

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Speaker 3: both of us born in around Rock, Texas.

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Speaker 4: Right there.

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Speaker 3: Talk to us just about your trek through high school.

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Speaker 3: What led you to go to Kansas initially and then

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Speaker 3: the transferred to your your.

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Speaker 4: Path getting to the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Man, Actually I was born in a small town

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Speaker 5: in Oklahoma called Chriscent.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Okay, I was wrong, idiot, Damn you know I was.

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Speaker 5: I was. It's about a small town, about a thousand people.

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Speaker 5: My entire families from there. I tell people, Man, I've

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Speaker 5: I was born to high school parents. My dad was

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Speaker 5: couple offers. I was state Utah, Mississippi, state Kansas and

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Speaker 5: this was the year that Kansas actually won the Orange Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Had a keep to leave Chris Harris junior top recent

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Speaker 5: In that season Man so ended up choosing Kansas, was

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Speaker 5: We had Mark Mangino, he got fired my freshman year,

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Speaker 3: So it's been blissed, you know, you mentioned there that

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Speaker 3: whenever you hear players who are talking about Jake also

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Speaker 6: That, You're reluctant, man, like you didn't believe he was

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Speaker 6: the son of a career I know he is.

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Speaker 3: Not only that his his his name is on the arena.

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Speaker 6: His dad to pick up, like hey hey right there.

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Speaker 4: Ye're like, hey hey hey.

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Speaker 2: Pops.

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Speaker 7: It was for me.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you were in Oklahoma State you could

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Speaker 3: have said this is Patman Arena.

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Speaker 4: That probably would have that would be carried out.

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Speaker 2: Come on.

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Speaker 3: But being the son of a coach, how do you

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Speaker 3: think that that affected you in terms of your your

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Speaker 3: the positives that come from it. A lot of people

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Speaker 3: talk about, man, there's some pressure that comes up and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I just just you be around the game.

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Speaker 5: You're around the game so much. You know what I'm

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Speaker 5: I knew the game. I've been around the game. I

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Speaker 4: A lot of it probably came naturally.

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Speaker 9: You were just absorbing it and then well you would

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Speaker 5: Right not not yes, sir, Yeah, Like you said, man,

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Speaker 4: You and your pops watch film together.

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Speaker 5: We did a little bit, man, We had a we

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Speaker 5: kind of bumped heads a lot, you know, you know,

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Speaker 5: a lot of time was well, were kind of going

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Speaker 5: come on, you know we having a long car car

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Speaker 5: For sure.

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Speaker 6: I'm curious to go ahead, Dank you just how many sports?

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Speaker 6: Because you know I got to ask that sports? But

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Speaker 6: you're able to play an ice good three?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Good football? Basketball, track?

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Speaker 2: And how do you fare? You know, how did you fain?

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Speaker 5: My first level was basketball right right, you know, but

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Speaker 5: I stopped growing, so I made a business decision, you know,

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Speaker 5: my junior year, I'm not gonna play basketball no more. More

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Speaker 5: focus on football. It was pretty good, man. We made

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Speaker 5: we did some great things basketball. I was just quick, fast,

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Speaker 3: I'm curious to know you talk about watching film and

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Speaker 3: some of those long car rights and different things like that.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious actually for both of you, Nate and Tyler.

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Speaker 3: We've heard occasionally from guys, and this has come up

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Speaker 3: to study, and like there are certain habits that you

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Speaker 3: the NFL. At what point do you guys feel like

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Speaker 5: That's a great question. I think it was different for

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Speaker 5: holistic approach now where you got to watch film, you

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Speaker 5: got to take care of your body, right, you got

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Speaker 4: Nate, how about you?

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Speaker 3: When when did you feel like you really figured out

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Speaker 3: I know how to do my work during the week.

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Speaker 2: Three or four years in y'all's you know, and stuff

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Speaker 2: like that. I was, man, I just was having fun.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I'll tell anybody I was having fun. And

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Speaker 6: that's why a lot of times I don't I don't

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Speaker 6: judge you guys. First, you know, this is hard for

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Speaker 6: me to judge speed a young talent coming out his

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Speaker 6: first year. But then that second year you should be

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Speaker 6: you should be able to start catching on a little

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Speaker 2: And by that third year, you should. You should. If

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Speaker 2: you're gonna be something, should hit it? Yeah? Should hit man.

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Speaker 3: You know when we talk about the idea of studying

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Speaker 3: and then we hear a lot about film study will

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Speaker 3: Before we do, I'm gonna throw out a question real

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Speaker 3: As always, we've got the three time Super Bowl champion,

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Speaker 3: evening is former Cowboys cornerback Tyler Patman. So, Tyler, we're

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Speaker 5: How do I fit into this? How I use what

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Speaker 6: It's called ability alignment, know your abilities and align accordingly.

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Speaker 5: these these dudes are geniuses, these offensive coordinators, and so

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Speaker 5: they know what works and how those guys are thinking

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Speaker 5: on the other side, man, and so sometimes that can

442
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Speaker 5: be a part of the communication issue of something that

443
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Speaker 5: you've practice, you've repped in practice that looked a certain way,

444
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Speaker 5: and then in the game they come out in a

445
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Speaker 5: different formation and it kind of throws you off a

446
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Speaker 5: little bit.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense now when you use the word simplified,

448
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Speaker 3: and you've said it a couple of different times, and

449
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Speaker 3: again I think when we're talking and fancy, here's some

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Speaker 3: of these discussions, they tend to go like simplified, Well,

451
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Speaker 3: that sounds elementary, Then why why is that a good thing?

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Speaker 4: Explain for that?

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Speaker 3: And then Nate, you ain't on this too, just the

454
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Speaker 3: idea of why simplification is not always a bad thing,

455
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Speaker 3: even at the NFL level.

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Speaker 4: That's sometimes the way that you want to approach things.

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Speaker 6: For me, what it meant back when I played was

458
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Speaker 6: we kept it simple because we were better.

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Speaker 2: We we beat you at our athletes, we we didn't

460
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Speaker 2: beat you with a scheme. We will fall across. Bring it.

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Speaker 2: That's what our dv's like, bring it. We locking it

462
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Speaker 2: up so that that's how we played over.

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Speaker 6: That's and we and we played fast our office line

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Speaker 6: the same way.

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Speaker 2: I got him.

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Speaker 6: Let's do it, David, and we played fast a lot

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Speaker 6: of times.

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Speaker 2: That would simplify means for us.

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Speaker 6: But as you go on on in life, and like

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Speaker 6: you said, you come out of a bunch formation.

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Speaker 2: It ain't just that simple, you know so, but the

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Speaker 2: coach go the coach.

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Speaker 6: Will say, man, this dude, if I this outside got

474
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Speaker 6: dragged across corner, you got him regardless, you got have

475
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Speaker 6: to run through some traffic and everything. But some guys

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Speaker 6: forget that. I mean, I'm gonna let you expound on it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, like they was saying, I agree hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes when when we say simplify, it gives players the

479
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Speaker 5: opportunity to play fast. Yes, let me use my athletic ability.

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Speaker 5: Let me go do what I do play football. Right.

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Speaker 5: And then like you were saying, though, these offensive coordinators

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Speaker 5: are so smart, yes, because even though you're in a

483
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Speaker 5: simplified defense, they run route concepts and motions and all

484
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Speaker 5: these things that make you think and slow you down.

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Speaker 5: That's all it does. And they just they just need

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Speaker 5: that little window to hit it in there to get

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Speaker 5: the playoff and.

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Speaker 2: To execute it and then on the quarterback, you know.

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Speaker 5: And so that's a that's a big part of the man.

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Speaker 5: Having a simplified defense again just gives gods the opportunity

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Speaker 5: to fly around, you know. But I think when you

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Speaker 5: have that simplified defense, you have to execute at the

493
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Speaker 5: high level of what it's called to do. So if

494
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Speaker 5: you're a top down defense of being but don't break defense,

495
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Speaker 5: you can't be given a big play like the player.

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Speaker 6: If the team will playing this week, it's gonna test

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Speaker 6: our offense metal they gonna ask them six to twelve plays.

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Speaker 2: Don't make a mistake. That's what the cargin is gonna

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Speaker 2: ask you.

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Speaker 6: Do we thinking that our defense gonna make you make

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Speaker 6: a mistake. And so they depend on if the Colonis

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Speaker 6: offense would get them one more touchdown a game, you

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Speaker 6: may be looking at a different coginnis stem. This thing

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Speaker 6: is tricky because it all come down to the mindset

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Speaker 6: of players.

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Speaker 2: Coaches can keep but justin keep a justin keep.

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Speaker 6: With justin, But it all comes down to the mindset

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Speaker 6: of you players.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: There was a when you talk about sim fighting being

512
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Speaker 3: able to play fast, and a lot of people when

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Speaker 3: they hear that, I think they're like, you know, but

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Speaker 3: they're they're supposed to just read things that they're supposed

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Speaker 3: to do things this way. There was there's a play

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Speaker 3: near the end of the game in Philly Week one,

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Speaker 3: I think where as an example of it. I was

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Speaker 3: talking with somebody later and they were kind of breaking

519
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Speaker 3: down what was going on on defense, and they're talking

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Speaker 3: about how Vic Fangio there with the Eagles, who is

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Speaker 3: one of the more elaborate defensive coordinators you can finde

522
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Speaker 3: out there that he has a coverage that he likes

523
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Speaker 3: to play cover three site, which is the he's for

524
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Speaker 3: those listening at home, he's the free safety is basically

525
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Speaker 3: reading what is the runner doing out of the backfield,

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Speaker 3: and depending on what he does, that's going to change

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Speaker 3: where he's going to go. And then the linebacker has

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Speaker 3: to know. The middle linebacker needs to know where he

529
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Speaker 3: has to go, and that's going to change his responsibilities

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Speaker 3: and everybody has to fall into place after that. And

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Speaker 3: that's the thing that you're talking about, right, like the

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Speaker 3: idea of just that's so much that you have a

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Speaker 3: process whereas a simplified defense.

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Speaker 4: Just like this is what I'm doing, yeah, and this

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Speaker 4: is this is how I'm playing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So no, Tyler, you told us during

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Speaker 3: the break it was something cool.

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Speaker 4: We're just talking about that.

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Speaker 3: Obviously you're retired now, you're you're but you're still living

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Speaker 3: around d FW.

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Speaker 4: What are you into now? You've got a five O

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Speaker 4: and C three or a nonprofit?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we have a non profit, man, And we're in

544
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Speaker 5: the process of starting a K through twelve private Christian

545
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Speaker 5: academy and specializes in holistic athlete development.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: And so you know, as former athletes, myself and also

548
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Speaker 5: my wife who played in a w n b A,

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Speaker 5: we we understand all too will of how you know,

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Speaker 5: young athletes can anchor their identity in their performance rather

551
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Speaker 5: than in their creator, man. So we're all about helping

552
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Speaker 5: those guys discover who they are beyond the game, which

553
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Speaker 5: we truly believe will help you be a better player

554
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Speaker 5: when your identity, your purpose and worth is there than

555
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Speaker 5: christ and not in your performance.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 5: So that's what we're all about. We're in that process man,

558
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Speaker 5: of really bringing in the leadership, collecting that capital in

559
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Speaker 5: order to build this vision that God gave us.

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Speaker 7: What was the inspiration behind just the entire process to

561
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Speaker 7: get that going.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's really neat.

563
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Speaker 5: That your wife in the WNBA.

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Speaker 7: Was there a specific time where you guys kind of

565
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Speaker 7: had that light bulb moment where you knew this is

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Speaker 7: what you wanted to pursue.

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Speaker 5: Man, I think it's just our life experiences, Like we

568
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Speaker 5: went through it. You know, I went through the mental

569
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Speaker 5: like we were talking about the mental up and downs

570
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Speaker 5: where my performance was here and I felt here about

571
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Speaker 5: myself right, But then when I was struggling, man, I

572
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Speaker 5: felt terrible about who I was and how I carried

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Speaker 5: myself and how I viewed myself. And so we saw

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Speaker 5: the need just through our own personal life journeys and

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Speaker 5: through all ours, our our relatives, our teammates, We saw

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Speaker 5: how hard it was for a lot of players to

577
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Speaker 5: transition out of the game into the next phase of life.

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Speaker 5: And we knew that was all because they need to

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Speaker 5: figure out what they were anchored in, you know, early

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Speaker 5: in their life.

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Speaker 3: So that's a and I mean you mentioned that there. Nay,

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Speaker 3: we were talking a couple of weeks back to Darren

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Speaker 3: McFadden and Darren talked about how when he got out

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Speaker 3: of the NFL, it's like he's a you know, it's

585
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Speaker 3: it's thirty years of your life committed to this sport.

586
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Speaker 3: It's like and then it's it's just gone, and and

587
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Speaker 3: you don't find the right things to fill your life with.

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Speaker 3: And Darren's talked very openly about some of his struggles

589
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Speaker 3: with alcohol and how he's free.

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Speaker 4: From that now.

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Speaker 3: But you know, like you mentioned there, that's got to

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Speaker 3: be a process that I assume you're trying to get

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Speaker 3: ahead of at this young age to where it's like, hey,

594
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Speaker 3: you've already got the tools to understand what really is

595
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Speaker 3: important when this is gone.

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Speaker 5: This is gonna be gone someday. As man's that's that's

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Speaker 5: to understanding. We always tell him, it's not planned. VA's

598
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Speaker 5: playing a point two. You got a transition. Tom Brady

599
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Speaker 5: played for however long he played, he still had a transition. Right,

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Speaker 5: That's just that's just a part of our game that

601
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Speaker 5: we love. Right, So how do we how do we

602
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Speaker 5: understand who we are outside of this game? So when

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Speaker 5: that time comes, it's more of so of just walking

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Speaker 5: across to the next phase instead of having to almost

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Speaker 5: feel like we're starting over in life.

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Speaker 3: Tyler Patton with us here on Cowboys Crosstalk. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: take our second break now when we come back.

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Speaker 4: There was a.

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Speaker 3: Game that was played on Sunday that we we need

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Speaker 3: to break down. I know that Nate has already been

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Speaker 3: h you know, signing heavily over here and and rubbing

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Speaker 3: his temples getting ready to talk about this. We'll talk

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Speaker 3: about the Cowboys Broncos game from this past Sunday and

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Speaker 3: then look ahead a little bit to the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 3: on Monday Night football. That's next on the SLBBC Cowboys

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Speaker 3: Cross Talks.

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Speaker 3: As always, we've got the three time Super Bowl champs,

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Speaker 3: six time Pro Bowler Nate Newton here and our Cowboys

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Speaker 3: alumni this evening, our very special guest is Tyler Pavin. Tyler,

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Speaker 3: thanks again for joining us. All right, so we had

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Speaker 3: a we had a game this past weekend.

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Speaker 4: It was not the one. It was not by one, Nate,

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Speaker 4: it was not This week.

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Speaker 3: The Broncos get the best of the Cowboys forty four

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Speaker 3: to twenty four.

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Speaker 2: A a tough.

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Speaker 4: Game for the Cowboys and in just about all phases.

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Speaker 3: Brian Schottheimer has been very clear early on this week.

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Speaker 3: I think that it's been really fascinating to hear shoddy

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Speaker 3: kind of talk this week and just say that flat

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Speaker 3: out this is this was not good enough.

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Speaker 4: This was it.

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Speaker 3: This seems as frustrated as Brian's been all year kind

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Speaker 3: of talking about where the team is at. So universal

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Speaker 3: you know, disappointment from the Jones is from Brian schottenheimern

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Speaker 3: and the things that they've said this week. Let's just

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Speaker 3: jump into some of the quick take grace from the game.

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Speaker 4: Tyler.

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Speaker 3: You first, what were your thoughts on this game and

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Speaker 3: where the Calvin's kind of stand at this point in

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Speaker 3: the season.

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Speaker 5: Man, it's honestly, man, it was tough to watch. You know,

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Speaker 5: when you talk about a defense struggling a little bit

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Speaker 5: or not doing as good as they want to, there's

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Speaker 5: usually something that you can point out, like, man, at

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Speaker 5: least we're doing this at a high level when you

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Speaker 5: try to adjust and adapt everything else. But watching the game, man,

662
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 5: it's it's it's tough to see not winning first down,

663
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 5: can't stop the run right, lack of communication, mental errors,

664
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 5: miss assignments, all those things, and it's like, man, what

665
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 5: is going on to where we can execute at some

666
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 5: point on the defense? Man? So that's that's a little

667
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 5: frustrating because you don't like to at the that high level,

668
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 5: with the NFL level. That's a bad sign for everyone

669
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 5: in the room. As I said, I was a bubble guy,

670
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 5: so I understand when that time comes, oh, pins and needles, everybody.

671
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 5: You know. So it's tough to watch that, Nate.

672
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 6: I just I started laughing because I watched them, and

673
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 6: the more I watched it, the more I said, this

674
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 6: is not gonna turn out nice. And you have to

675
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 6: and I'll say this out loud, you have to stop

676
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 6: the run. I stop the past and rally to something.

677
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 6: When an offense can line up and tell you I'm

678
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 6: gonna run, I'm gonna throw it. I'm gonna run again,

679
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 6: but hold on, I'm gonna throw it this time, and

680
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 6: you can't stop.

681
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: None of it.

682
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 5: It's tough, but.

683
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 6: That ain't how you play NFL football. I'm gonna ask him,

684
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 6: how do you play? What do you think on defense?

685
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 5: Man? I think it's like you said, you gotta pick

686
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 5: your poison, Yes, you do, you know, I think you know,

687
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 5: just the defense that they're running, you're going to have

688
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 5: to adapt or you're again you're just going to say

689
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 5: this is what we're going to give up, and we're

690
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 5: going to attack and rally behind this. And so I think, man,

691
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 5: just having the offense that we have that's very explosive, savvy,

692
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 5: veteran quarterback that can really score at any time, so

693
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 5: we have to figure out something on defense. In order

694
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 5: to protect that just to slow slow it down a

695
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 5: little bit, people scoring on us, right, And so I think, man,

696
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 5: when you talk about Flus, I was able to. I

697
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 5: played here when Flus was here, you know, and he's

698
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 5: a cup guy, what we called a cup and so

699
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 5: he's big on a bend. But don't break defense. And

700
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 5: so if that's what we're going to do, I think

701
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 5: I mentioned it earlier. We can't be one of the

702
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 5: defenses that's giving up the most explosive plays in the NFL.

703
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 5: Everything has to has to be completed down here, and

704
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 5: we rally and we tackle, you know. But at the

705
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 5: same time, you know, that's that's easy to or it's

706
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 5: it's not as easy to do when you can't stop

707
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 5: the run, right because a lot of the it's easy

708
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 5: for people to see all the passes completed and point

709
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 5: the fingers at the defensive backs, right. But a lot

710
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 5: of the things that's taking place is that second level

711
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 5: line backer, you know what I mean.

712
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: And that's a big thing for Jerry. If we're talking

713
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: about linebackers, you.

714
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 5: Know, a lot of times is because they're not stopping

715
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 5: a run. So those guys are creeping up and so

716
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 5: when it's passed. They're not getting back to their spots,

717
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 5: they're chasing, and a lot of that second level of

718
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 5: stuff is taking place, man, And so it's it's one

719
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 5: of those things, man, where I think they just got

720
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 5: to get the mentality again that listen, this is what

721
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 5: we're gonna do. We're not gonna break, We're not giving

722
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 5: up big plays. If they're gonna complete anything, it's gonna

723
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 5: be a check down, it's gonna be a you know,

724
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 5: a stop route, and we're gonna rally, we're gonna run

725
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 5: to the ball and we're gonna tackle.

726
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 10: You know, when you've had games like that in the

727
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 10: past where it's just collectively one through eleven offense defense, Yeah,

728
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 10: I mean it's a it's a throw the game tape

729
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 10: out the window. How how how challenging is it that

730
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 10: week of practice leading up to the next game, and

731
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 10: how badly do you want to get back in there

732
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 10: you just wipe the sleep clean and be, you know,

733
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 10: have another opportunity.

734
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, man, it really depends on the coaches

735
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 5: and how they approach it. You know, I think I've

736
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 5: been in I've been in a few organizations and I've

737
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 5: seen coaches that kind of bring that pressure like somebody's

738
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 5: gonna get cut, somebody's gonna released. Everybody needs to be

739
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 5: on their p's and q's. And I've also seen the

740
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 5: coaches that are like, hey, don't panic, Let's continue to

741
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 5: build our guys up and let them know that we hear,

742
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 5: we trust in them, and we're gonna hit it right.

743
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 5: We're gonna figure out what's wrong and we're gonna adjust

744
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 5: it and we're going to adapt. And so man, as

745
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 5: a player, though, you want to get back on that

746
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 5: field and you want to prove yourself right because you

747
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 5: hear you hear the fans chirping, you hear the talk,

748
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 5: you hear you know, Jerry doing his interviews, and so

749
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 5: you know it's that time that we got to make

750
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 5: something happen, especially coming into next week and then going

751
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 5: into a bye week, right, you got to think there's

752
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 5: gonna be some moves made and something changed the way

753
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 5: the season is going right now.

754
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: You know, it's something that yeah, you know, fans, they

755
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 3: for lack of the germ, they want blood a lot

756
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: of times on certain.

757
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 4: Things like that.

758
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,479
Speaker 3: So when things are going poorly, and no doubt things

759
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: have gone poorly defensively this year for the Cowboys. But

760
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: you know when you hear Brian Schottenheimer, Matty Raflus or

761
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: Jerry or Stephen Orbiel's and they start talking about execution,

762
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 3: seems like a lot of fens are just like, oh,

763
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: just execute it, do something, make it different. But how

764
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 3: big of an issue is that when you just you've

765
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: got guys, especially in a zone coverag scheme, where it's

766
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: like they don't necessarily know where they're supposed to be

767
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: or they're not consistently reading things correctly and being in

768
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: the right spot, where in that instance, it does feel

769
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 3: like execution should be what makes this better.

770
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it comes down so maybe it just

771
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: needs to be a personnel change. Maybe that's what it

772
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 5: comes down to if somebody's not executing at a consistent level.

773
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of that can come into

774
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 5: that mental side. There's a lot of young guys on

775
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 5: the field, right, and so you could think about the

776
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 5: pressure mentally that comes with knowing the defenses and being

777
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 5: successful and you're kind of getting thrown into the mix

778
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 5: and you're like, I got make a play or I

779
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 5: can't mess up. In the mental process that you go

780
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 5: through of trying to do too much instead of just

781
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 5: playing the game, relaxing, taking the deep breath and going

782
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 5: and doing what you know you're supposed to do.

783
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 6: You know, I challenged a couple of guys this week

784
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 6: after this game, you know, because I gotta tell people

785
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 6: who were we had besides blaying, who were these guys

786
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 6: before they started Sunday for the Dallas Cowboys, name and

787
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 6: name these guys and tailor fans, who were these guys?

788
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 6: They were just guys who Ball is the only one?

789
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 6: He played linebacker. He's got significant snaps of linebacker, two

790
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 6: hundred and thirty two snaps at safety.

791
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: These guys were lost out there.

792
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 6: And so I'm saying to myself, now, somebody gonna have

793
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 6: to pay for this. You know, but these guys, now

794
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 6: we took a corner and now we automatically and one

795
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 6: week in one game saying hey he's a corner.

796
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: Read is a corner, Red is a safety? Read is

797
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: a safety.

798
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 6: I'm like, wow, can you imagine you are a corner?

799
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 6: Then next week everybody thinking you a safety?

800
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 5: Yeah?

801
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: Come on, well how wild is that?

802
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 5: Now?

803
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: Come on, now, have a respect for the game. Now

804
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: your game ain't that easy?

805
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 10: Yeah?

806
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the yo yo, yeah, yeah, yeah.

807
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 3: That Now when you we talk about that and you

808
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 3: and you're you're mentioning you know, all the things that

809
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: that go into execution and knowing your responsibility.

810
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: And we've talked about.

811
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: Simplifying defense and and doing different things like that. How

812
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 3: when when Brian Schoteimer's mentioned before that the communication issues

813
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 3: he sets specifically, he drilled down onto this. He said,

814
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 3: our biggest problem is everybody's good leaving the huddle. He said,

815
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: everybody's good when we get to the line of scrimmage.

816
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 4: He said, it's a shift.

817
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: He said, when somebody shifts or there's emotion, responsibilities change,

818
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: and not everybody gets the message. Talk us through just

819
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: a little bit of what a shift or emotion potentially

820
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: due to your responsibilities and how much that could change

821
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 3: the complexion of the defense man.

822
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 5: That can change a lot of you know, especially at

823
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 5: the opportunity to play nickel and corner right. So in

824
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 5: that box, when things shift, run gaps change, your past coverage,

825
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 5: responsibility change, you might go from playing man to becoming

826
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 5: a whole player. It all just depends on what's you

827
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 5: know implementing it to the playbook. And like I said,

828
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 5: sometimes there's things that you go through in practice, that

829
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 5: the offensive coordinator know you're going through, and they switch

830
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 5: it up on you and they make it look a

831
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 5: different way. And so now again you're going through that

832
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 5: mental process as it all happens and trying to make

833
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 5: sure you're doing the right thing. And so that was

834
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 5: one thing that you know, what was great about Rob

835
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 5: mayor Nelly was there's a lot of times where we're

836
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 5: running simplified coverages that regardless if somebody shifts or changes,

837
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 5: we're getting to our zone. Drop, I'm buzzing my feet,

838
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 5: I'm playing, I'm protecting my zone. And then when the

839
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 5: balls throw on, I'm running to the ball, I'm making

840
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 5: a tackle.

841
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: Right.

842
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 5: So maybe it's some of those things where you know,

843
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 5: there's there's those some coverages that turn to man and

844
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 5: you have to combo and all. Maybe we just need

845
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 5: to take those things out, take them away. Let's get

846
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 5: back to old school covering three number two one. Why

847
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 5: But you know that's that's tough too when you play

848
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 5: these high caliber offenses.

849
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 6: Man, I challenge not you, but I challenge you, Boby,

850
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 6: because I know you look at film I got you

851
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 6: watch go back and watch Denvers defense in any game,

852
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 6: even the Giants game.

853
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: Go back and.

854
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 6: Watch this this Carginals team we're playing and watch the

855
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 6: pre snap, and all of these guys are tall. You

856
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 6: see the linebacker's pointing, you see the safety budda Baker,

857
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 6: everybody's pointing it. And when they're going across zones, you

858
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 6: see them screaming talking. And then go back and watch

859
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 6: the film of the Dallas Cowboys and everybody just lying

860
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 6: looking around.

861
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: Who what is the difference?

862
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: I was saying this earlier this week on the radio.

863
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: I think if it's not every touchdown this year, it's

864
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: probably like ninety percent of the touchdowns lited by defenses. Here,

865
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: I said, the immediate thing you see by the guy

866
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: closest to the balls him turning with his hands up

867
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 3: to somebody almost every single time this year, where it's

868
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: just like what were you doing?

869
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 4: Like it?

870
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 3: It seems like it's been a confusion so consistently. Yeah,

871
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 3: when those things change. For instance, when you're here Dowas,

872
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: what was the what was the protocol for communication? Was

873
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 3: it just hey, everybody's got a responsibility talk or was

874
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 3: there no this guy.

875
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 4: And this guy it's his job to talk to this guy?

876
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 3: How did you guys funnel communication, except sometimes it depends.

877
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 5: On who the players are back there. So when you

878
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 5: have a Buddha Baker, a guy that's been there for

879
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 5: so long, everybody knows he's the leader, and let he's

880
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 5: gonna help everybody get lined up if you have a

881
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 5: great nickel. So if Bland is going to play nickel,

882
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 5: he has to be that guy that's kind of leading

883
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 5: that secondary and trying to communicate on a higher level. Right,

884
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 5: But a lot of times that's safety. Man.

885
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 4: They got to be dialed in because a lot.

886
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 5: Of times, you know, they try to label corners that

887
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 5: we're not that smart and you got to tell us

888
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 5: what to do and what it is they tell me

889
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 5: what to do when this guy goes, you know, and

890
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 5: so as the safety, you got to be locked in.

891
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 5: And it's tough, man, because you talk about these guys

892
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 5: going really three different defensive coordinators in three years. Yeah,

893
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 5: and so is there a guy in the secondary that

894
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 5: knows this defense so well that he can help him

895
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 5: with just right, So like Flus was the DC and

896
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 5: Indy when Kenny Moore was there, Yeah, yeah, So imagine

897
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 5: Kenny Moore coming over to Dallas and what the impact

898
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 5: he would have on the secondary just because he knows

899
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 5: the defense so well, right, So that would be my question,

900
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 5: is there a guy on that defense that knows it

901
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 5: and can help everybody get adjust down.

902
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 3: On with which I mean like I mean they asked

903
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: him to play safety, but I mean Reddy Stewart came

904
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 3: in and played the nickel a little better and he

905
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: spent that year last year of Chicago, and a guy

906
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: who would have been able to handle lot of that,

907
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: Jack Sanborne has been out for several weeks now as

908
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: a guy who had played linebacker for Flues. Let's take

909
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 3: our final break of the show when we come back

910
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 3: and retire bad and we'll take a look and had

911
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 3: a little bed to the Arizona Cardinals figure out some

912
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: of the fixes that might help coming out of the

913
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: Denver game. That's next year on the s WBC Cowbo's Cross.

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929
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Speaker 3: time Super Bowl champs, six time Pro bowlert Nate Newton here,

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Speaker 3: and our special guest this evening, our Cowboys alumni is

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Speaker 3: Tyler Patman. All right, guys, So we talked about it

932
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 3: a little bit as we head into this Arizona game

933
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 3: for Monday Night football, which you are gonna have to

934
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: sit on that loss about a day longer than you

935
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Speaker 3: probably would have wanted to.

936
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Speaker 4: But what is the the the one.

937
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: Thing, because I think everybody right now looks at this

938
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 3: and goes, there's so many overwhelming problems with the defense.

939
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 4: There's so many things here or there.

940
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: You know, Dak is coming off the game that wasn't great,

941
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 3: but he's had a great season. Offensive line oft times

942
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: has giving up some pressures. Again, what's the thing that

943
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 3: you look at and just say this right here should

944
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: be the easiest thing coming out of the demigrant to

945
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: just that.

946
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 4: That can get better right away.

947
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 3: That you don't need two weeks to get better, just

948
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 3: you need a good week of practice to make that better.

949
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 5: I mean, just no mental errors, no mis assignments. So

950
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 5: simple answer that everybody, listen, do our job. Unlet's make

951
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 5: an offense actually beat us and make them execute at

952
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 5: a high level. Right on offense, I think is simple, man.

953
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 5: Just just let Dak be dad, let him do what

954
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 5: he does, run the ball, give him an opportunity to

955
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 5: to be the dangerous quarterback that he is. So now

956
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 5: it's I think it's simple fixes man, that can really

957
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 5: help in the space to really help them to be

958
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 5: in a space at the end of the game to

959
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 5: go out and win the game, for it to be

960
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 5: close to where they're competing. And it's not something that

961
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 5: gets out of hand at the end of the end

962
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 5: of the game.

963
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: For me, and I've been saying it week in and

964
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: week out.

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00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 6: Prove to me that Gavonte Williams is not a twenty

966
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 6: five to thirty.

967
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 5: Carry guy.

968
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 2: Prove that to me. We go on the roll.

969
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 6: Against Chicago limited his carriage. We go on the roll

970
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 6: to the next team, Carolina, limit his carriage. We play

971
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 6: get fancy down here against this Denver team on the

972
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 6: goal line. We want to get fancy when you should

973
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 6: have just handed the ball to him and let him score.

974
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 6: That's from the beginning of the game when they got

975
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 6: the interception. Prove to me that this Williams kid is

976
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 6: not a twiny. I'm talking about carriages. I ain't talking

977
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 6: about toast him nothing. Let him carry the ball and

978
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 6: then you can balance this thing where it helps our

979
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 6: offensive line and it keeps that healthy. I'm telling you,

980
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 6: let this kid carry the broom, but we'll find a

981
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 6: way not to give.

982
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: It to them.

983
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 7: That's like the theme tonight's been simplifying, right, Simplify on offense,

984
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 7: hand the ball to him, Simplify on defense.

985
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, sir. I just my thing

986
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 6: for this team is you know who you are. It

987
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 6: ain't no more four games in five. You know who

988
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 6: you are. You know where your sore spot's at. And

989
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 6: the only way for me to fix this is have

990
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 6: a run. Balance it protects your defense whether we lose.

991
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Speaker 2: And win games. And I'm talking about the Cardinals are

992
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: doing it.

993
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 4: The Cardinals are.

994
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 6: Saying, whether we win or lose, we gonna win time position. Yeah,

995
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 6: And that's what they're doing, and it preserves your defense.

996
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: When you look at the the in two out of

997
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 3: the last three games, it feels like Denver and then

998
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: Carolina a couple of weeks ago, it felt like you

999
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 3: you got really out physical. It felt like a team

1000
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: on both sides of the ball that just said, we're

1001
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 3: gonna punch in the mouth and we don't think you're

1002
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: gonna be able to handle it. That I think has

1003
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 3: been a concerning now Spectra Shadi in the last couple

1004
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 3: of weeks. How do you because I think for a

1005
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 3: lot of people, it's like, how do you level up toughness?

1006
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 3: How do you level up physicality? Is that a mindset?

1007
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 3: Is that just an attribute that either you have or

1008
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 3: you don't. Is that a weight room thing? How do

1009
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: you guys look at playing a more physical brand of football?

1010
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 5: Man, A lot of the times it's the players and

1011
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 5: a lot of the times it's the mentality of the defense. Right.

1012
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 5: And I know I keep talking about defense, I know y'all, right,

1013
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 5: outsides of the babble in what you staying, But it's

1014
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 5: it's it's there's there's certain rooms that you walk into,

1015
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 5: certain defenses, certain locker rooms where you know the mentality

1016
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 5: and you feel it. It's a it's the culture, right,

1017
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 5: and so I just don't know if that's old, if

1018
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 5: that's ever being the cowboy culture on defense that we're

1019
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 5: gonna fly around, we're gonna be physical, and we're gonna

1020
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 5: knock those heads off. Like everybody knows the culture of

1021
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 5: the Seahawks right when they had Sherman, Yeah, come on,

1022
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 5: you know what you everybody knew what it was get hurt.

1023
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 5: And we never been in the building, right, But you

1024
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 5: can outside looking in you could hear their conversations, how

1025
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 5: they talked, how they walked. It was different. And so

1026
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 5: a lot of the times, man, I think it's just

1027
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 5: the culture of the of the defense. It's the leaders

1028
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 5: that you have in there, like a Buddha Baker that's

1029
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 5: gonna set the tone. I think I saw that video

1030
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 5: of him talking in the locker room. I'm tired of this, right,

1031
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 5: and we're gonna change it right now. So it can

1032
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 5: be a lot of different factors, man, And sometimes it's

1033
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 5: the players, sometimes it's it's the culture, and sometimes it's

1034
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 5: just the the coaches leading in a certain way that

1035
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 5: this is who we are and if you if you

1036
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 5: can't be a part of this, we got to go

1037
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 5: and get somebody else.

1038
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, your pops was a coach, and from a coaching perspective,

1039
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 7: what do you think is more.

1040
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 5: Valuable this week?

1041
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 6: Too?

1042
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 7: You know the shake the face mask, screaming at you

1043
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 7: guys or is it hey challenge them a little bit

1044
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 7: and then say nothing.

1045
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 5: Let that let the players say And that's the that's

1046
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 5: the tough back and.

1047
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: Forth because you gotta know which button to place.

1048
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 5: Got to you got to. One thing that I appreciated

1049
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 5: about McCarthy was that, you know, I'm a dB guy,

1050
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 5: so I've watched a lot of their DBS throughout the

1051
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 5: time since I was with the Cowboys. McCarthy never our Quinn,

1052
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 5: whoever it was. I felt like they never gave up

1053
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 5: on their guys.

1054
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 2: Right.

1055
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 5: You saw a lot of up and down dB play,

1056
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 5: but they continue to pour and poor and pour into them.

1057
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 5: Like a guy like Jordan Lewish, I've seen his career.

1058
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 5: He has some great times, he had some low times, right,

1059
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 5: but they continue to invest in him and you see

1060
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 5: how he played last year, what he's doing in Jackie

1061
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 5: year before, right, and so little things like that, I

1062
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 5: think it might like Nate was saying, like, we know

1063
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 5: who we are, we know the players we have. We

1064
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 5: might be able to go get one or two more pieces,

1065
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 5: but we got to find a way to really pour

1066
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 5: into these guys, lift them up and figure out how

1067
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 5: each player ticks. So I might have to pull the

1068
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 5: face mask on one guy that I know I can

1069
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 5: do that with, but this guy I can tell he's

1070
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 5: going through it mentally. Man, we got to get around

1071
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 5: that guy, rally around him and pull him up so

1072
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 5: he can be the player that we know he is.

1073
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 7: The best coaches they know whether to put their arm

1074
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 7: around him or they know that kick.

1075
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 5: Him in the back exactly.

1076
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 4: And these players a little bit different.

1077
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, you got to know your guys.

1078
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 3: What is the balance between I want to bring intensity

1079
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: out of you, I want to bring physicality out of you.

1080
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 3: I don't want you going over the top and getting

1081
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 3: more of these personal files that have plagued Dallas, Because

1082
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 3: I mean that's something where I think a lot of

1083
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 3: people just think, oh, intensity, just reckless abandon How do

1084
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: you get controlled physicality and controlled intensity and then get

1085
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: that right balance of mindset?

1086
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: Right now? You were you were?

1087
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 4: You were about? Well, tell us how you did it.

1088
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: You have you have to care about your teammates too.

1089
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 6: Now I'm gonna push you to the edge and I'm

1090
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 6: gonna finish you, and I'm gonna put my hands in

1091
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 6: your chest and i'm gonna shove you, and I'm gonna

1092
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 6: go into that whistle and then when that whistle glow,

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Speaker 6: I'm coming up.

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Speaker 2: Off of you.

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Speaker 6: It's just a mindset that I cannot let down the defense.

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Speaker 6: I cannot jump off side when this is we on

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Speaker 6: the goal line. I cannot do that because I know

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Speaker 6: I'm looking at Troy, I'm looking at Mike, I'm looking

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Speaker 6: at Emmitt, and then they expect for execution. So it's

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Speaker 6: about caring. It's about playing to the edge. But you

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Speaker 6: gotta care, bron Within, you gotta care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, last minute here before you get go on, Nate,

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Speaker 3: how big would it be this week when we talk

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Speaker 3: about defensical thing different things like that, How big would

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Speaker 3: it be this week to you to get Cooper b

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Speaker 3: b back in the lineup with his practice windows.

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Speaker 6: We thought he was gonna be back last week, but

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Speaker 6: something happened.

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Speaker 2: He didn't get back in.

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Speaker 6: Uh, it's gonna be big only if they run Williams

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Speaker 6: twenty five or more times. If you if you just

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Speaker 6: give up on the run and just say they you now,

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Speaker 6: you're gonna hurt Dad and you're gonna hurt the defense.

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Speaker 2: I believe that.

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Speaker 3: Tyler pat Man, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate him. For Nate Newton, for Jake Greetman. I'm

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Speaker 3: bouted it off from one five. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for joining us as we moved back to again next

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Speaker 3: Wednesday on the SLBBC Cowboys Crosstock.

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