WEBVTT - John Middlekauff of "3 AND OUT" 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:06.120 Hey, everybody, welcome to another edition of Access Podcast, the 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:10.280 podcast about podcast. I'm Mattie Stout and producer Z. You 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.120 have put together a guest that I really enjoyed this week. Yeah, 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:15.200 he was cool if I've been listening to him for 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:16.439 a while, so it was nice to have him on 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.400 the show. John Middlecoff is the host of three and Out. 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:21.919 It's one of the new podcast on the brand new 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.160 Herd network that's calling cowhards new podcast networks. And he's 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.400 also somebody I used to listen to every day on 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:29.240 the radio, so it's very exciting to talk to him. 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.000 Let's check out a little bit of John Meddlecoff right now. 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.760 I will say this the most talented player in this 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.960 draft from the quarterback perspective, and I you could argue 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.960 just overall player, but let's just just talk quarterbacks. Is 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.559 Josh Rosen for me? And I don't really think it's 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.720 that close. Just pure talent. There's more to the quarterback 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:53.440 than just ability though the mental capacity, personality that there's 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.800 so much more than, but just in a vacuum, Josh 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.360 Rosen for me is the number one quarterback on my 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.760 draft board. And I'm John Mettalcoff. We don't know each other, 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.280 but I know you because I used to listen to 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.160 your show a lot locally on on on a radio 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.400 station that you did with Haberman, which I want to 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.520 talk about in a second. But I don't know if 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.680 you know this, but I feel personally responsible for your 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:15.880 podcast since I was one of the people who tweeted 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:17.320 you after your show went off the air and said 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:21.480 start a podcast. UM So, so you're welcome, is what 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.920 I'm saying. Thank you, thank you. You know, we just 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.960 tried to expand you know, you go from terrestrial radio, 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.080 which is uh hanging on by a thread, and you 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.520 you always want to uh you know, adapt in life 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.840 and things change. And you know, I've enjoyed doing the 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.199 podcast for the last couple of years. Well, I left 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.520 radio nine years ago. I did mornings in San Francisco 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:45.240 to to get into podcasting and Stitcher um and and 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:49.320 I've always felt that for talk folks, while why wouldn't 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.440 you want to be in podcasting because we get to 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:53.800 do everything that we did well and talk, but yet 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.960 we get to say whatever we want. I know, it's 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.600 you know, it's weird. Once you get into podcasting and 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.040 you kind of get the free flow flow of doing 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.480 whatever you want and in the way, you know, I 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.400 do two separate podcasts now, this one with Colin Coward, 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:10.880 which is just me and I've kind of taken that. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.320 I do a periscope show on Twitter and I've kind 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.720 of just taken that a little more segmented to the 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.920 Colin show. But two with Haberman. You know, we have 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.760 we know what we're doing, so it's we can bang 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:26.400 out topics and kind of set it up like a 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:28.920 radio show, but it kind of adapted to the podcast 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.800 medium and it's, uh, it's been great, and you go 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.120 back and we filled in a little bit. On radio, 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.680 some of the local stations can be are and it's 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:40.560 kind of weird because it's very regimented. You know, you 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.960 gotta get out at certain times you're you're not used 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:44.519 to doing that. Once you get a little spoiled in 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.480 the podcast world. As someone has come back to radio 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.480 and pod and done podcasting in radio, it is tough. 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.360 It's a it's a tough adjustment once you've had that 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:56.000 freedom of podcasting to do terrestrial radio again. Have you 0:02:56.120 --> 0:03:01.160 always been a radio connoisseur and fan growing up that 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.680 you have your favorite announcers that that just you know 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.000 that you were like, goddamn, I want to do that. Yeah, 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.160 for sure. I mean I remember being in six and 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:12.720 seventh grade and having those Uh kids these days wouldn't 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.040 even know what they are, but that that yellow radio 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.799 you know, the Walkman, and you had the yellow one, 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.680 that was the waterproof one you were fancy. Yeah, I 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.960 had the yellow one. So that was probably you know, 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.760 mid nineties and listening to Jim Rome and I used 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.840 to uh, I used to love Jim Roman in the 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.880 mid to late nineties and just he was so badass. 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.840 He had so many big at the time baseball, you know, 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:38.640 it was kind of what the equivalent of kind of 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.760 what the football is now. It was so big, uh, 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.960 every player, you know, two or three stars on each 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.520 team throughout all of Major League Baseball. And he'd have 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.280 him on all the time, and he'd go to all 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.800 Star games and have the sweetest interviews and everyone was 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.440 so good with him because he was one of the 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.680 at the time, probably in the late nineties, one of 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.880 the only big time national radio host you know, especially 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:03.400 that we got and he was a West Coast guy. 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.200 I mean, there were some on the East Coast, but 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.960 that we could listen to it. I was I'm from Davis, 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.600 right up the road here from the Bay Area, so 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:12.840 you know, I would just remember thinking, Jim Rome, what 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.720 was the ship? Yeah, no, I love Jim. I mean 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.280 I had the same kind of experience growing up in 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.600 the East Coast with with Stern. But um, I think 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.080 that once you have, like you get that bug, it's 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.039 hard to get rid of it. Um when you were 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.479 when you were going coming up through high school and 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:31.520 into college, UM was announcing top of mind or you 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.400 know sports. You know, obviously you've always been a sports guy, 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.839 but you know, when did that become more of something 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:38.560 that you thought, this is where I want to go 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:40.880 with my career. Yeah, I mean it was always my life. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.599 I was playing not not very good, but you know, 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.839 when you're in high school, you're playing sports. Hayberman was 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.320 actually we went to high school together. He called our 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.320 high school football games. So he was basically on a 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.600 road map to become in the next Bob cost Us. 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:56.720 You know that that's what he was gonna be doing 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:01.280 for me. I didn't quite know as maybe as clear 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.720 clearly at that time that that was what I was 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.880 gonna be doing. But I definitely knew once I got 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.680 to college in cal Poly that you know, I kind 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.240 of missed it. You're kind of screwing around the first 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.240 couple of years working in business. You get an internship 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.000 at Morgan Stanley, You're like, you know, I'm gonna make 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:17.920 make millions. And then the first day you get there, 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.160 they had you know, you wear a suit and tie 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.520 to work and they have you spackling the walls. You're like, 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:27.160 what this sucks? What what am I doing? And uh? 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:28.760 And then you kind of get back into it, and 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.200 one thing led to another. And I've always been really opinionated, 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.640 you know, I've always been you know, my my dad's 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.640 first reaction was always to tell me to shut up 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.159 because I could never stop talking. So it comes pretty 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.240 naturally to me. I just ended up working kind of 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:46.120 on the team side, uh, and got into scouting. It just, 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.480 you know a little bit by happenstance. I didn't necessarily 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:51.560 know I was going to do that at the time. 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.400 It just kind of one thing led to another and 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.039 it just happened. I want to get into that in 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:57.680 a second, but I want to touch on something you 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.320 just said about um being opinion aided, and I hope 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.600 you take this as a compliment. I'm from the East Coast, 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.640 and when I listen to you, I think, I you know, 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:08.400 when I listen to go, that sounds like a guy 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.000 from the East Coast, because I do feel that East 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.240 Coast sports announcers tend to have that kind of ego 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.039 opinionated thing and not not not saying that, you know, 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.680 you're this overblown ego, but you're you have that really 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.760 strong but you know exactly what I'm saying, right, Yeah, 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:25.720 you know, it just kind of comes naturally. And I 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.599 think when you listen, like you said, I mean, you 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.960 grew up on the East Coast and here in Stern. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.600 You know, five years ago you just were kind of 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.240 you could only listen to what you had around you. 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.640 Now with serious XM, you know, I've ever probably the 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.960 last ten years, you know, know who Howard Stern is 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:44.840 and be able to listen to him on a daily basis, 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.280 or Chris Russo uh living in Philly here and some 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.120 of those type personalities like if you fake it. I 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.280 think you can fake it for a minute just because 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.320 you think that's the way to do it, but eventually 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.760 you get exposed. If that's not truly your personality. Like 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.960 Stephen A. Smith for exam ample. Yeah, I've met Stephen A. Smith. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.080 He acts like he does on television when you meet 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:06.480 him in the hallway. Super nice guy. But I mean 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.839 that's he's not faking it, And I think that's why 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.880 it kind of resonates and works. Like me, when you 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:13.600 hear me talk, or you meet me at the gym, 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.080 or you see me at a restaurant, or you watch me, 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.240 you know, on social media or whatever, like that's I'm 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:23.240 who I am. You know, I'm not you just I 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.160 think I always whenever young people ask me for advice 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:27.880 how to get in, I just say, be true to yourself, 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.760 you know, do what you want to do. Don't try 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.600 to act or be like someone else. And it's you 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.440 could have a mentor or look up to people and 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.960 aspire to do things, you know, Like I'm working with 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.080 Colin Coward now, it's pretty cool. I mean I've been 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.680 listening to his radio show for a long time. He's 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.640 my favorite radio host by far. Like I grew up 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.440 on Jim Rome, but now like to me, Jim doesn't 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.320 do it for me anymore, Like I need a little 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:55.000 smarter sports talk. You know, there's other aspects of life 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:58.880 that I like, and Colin no one better in the business. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.600 I don't even think it's close. Uh. So you can 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:03.520 aspire to be like someone, but you have to put 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.640 your own twist on it. And ultimately that's kind of 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.440 what I've tried to do. Well. You know, I teach 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:11.960 uh and coach a lot of podcasting, and the first 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.160 thing I tell people is that this is the most 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.480 honest medium that there is. You can't lie in audio 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.800 over time, and any of us who have done talk radio, 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.400 you know, we go went for four and a half hours. 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.560 You can go in and pretend to be in a 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.560 good mood, but the listeners are gonna know you're in 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.960 a bad mood within about twenty minutes because you just 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.160 can't hold that up the whole time. And I think 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.439 that that's why, um, you know that that that transition 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.480 from talk to podcasting is so much easier than someone 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.400 who was coming from a traditional you know, maybe radio 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.959 background is a disc jockey, because it's a different skill 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:47.080 set than what you have to do for sure. Uh. 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.959 I also think when you naturally one thing that I've 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:52.600 always kind of hung my hat on is when I 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.120 got out of the NFL, I realized, like, I don't 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.400 really give a ship what people think of me. I'm 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.960 not looking to get back in the NFL. So saying 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.800 things that may be deemed a controversial or god, you're 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.720 taking a hard stance on a g I don't care. 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.160 And if anything, like every day that goes by, I 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.160 care less. So that that also helps, you know, and 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.880 because you realize it doesn't really matter, you know, just 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.640 tell what you believe and don't worry about ruffle and 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.199 feathers because I'm not, you know, necessarily looking to work 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.880 with a guy again or trying to get back into 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.520 the business. And I think that's hard for some people. 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:28.440 You kind of sit on the fence if you know, 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.520 you're afraid to kind of make someone mad or you 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.560 know you might be doing business with them in the future. 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.760 Like I, I just I just let a rip. I 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.160 think that you just touch on something really important. And 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.200 I think that happens all the time. And I can 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.760 hear that when I hear an announcer pull away from 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:47.000 a player or a celebrity or or a topic knowing 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.080 that you know what, they just don't want to ruin 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:50.720 that rich and guess. You know, you have to do 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:52.880 that from time to time. You know, everybody has to. 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:01.280 You know, we're talking about working in the NFL and 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:02.920 working for the Eagles, So I want to I want 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.720 to get this picture of so go to college business? 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:07.640 Now do you go back and you know, I know 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:11.199 you have your masters in sports administration? Corrects? Yeah, did 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.040 you go back and get that before working with the 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.480 Eagles or was that? How did what was the transition 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.720 from that? When did you like make that transition from 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:21.600 business into sports and being a scout? Yeah? From cal Poly. 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.160 Actually went to work at Fresno State, uh, and I 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.760 worked for the football program and for a lot of coaches. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.600 The way that coaches get started in the business, they 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.160 usually start in college football and it's it's a position 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.480 called a graduate assistant ship and you have one on 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.160 offense and one on defense. And now with the explosion 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.360 to college football, a lot of a lot of programs 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.400 now have it in recruiting, and basically what it is 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.560 is it pays you like a player, They just gives 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.800 you a full scholarship, So it pays you to go 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.360 to school. You know, you get a scholarship chip every 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.320 week to basically pay for your rent and food and 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.880 you know it's not much money, but and you work 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.120 on the coaching staff. So I got to do that 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.400 for two years. They paid for me to get my masters, 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.160 uh my Sports Administration Masters at Frisden State was like 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.520 a new program starting, so it kind of worked perfectly. 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.920 But I really I didn't go there for school. I 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:10.880 mean I went there to get a PhD in football, 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.600 and that just kind of happened, and then we had 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.360 a bunch of pro prospects. So over the couple of years, 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:19.839 I was there every scout that came through, every general 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.360 manager that came through. I and the guy was technically 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.600 working for the recruiting coordinator were in charge of setting 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.440 those guys up, giving them information. So it was just 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.880 it just kind of worked out perfectly. You were just 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.400 constantly with these individuals getting to know them, establishing relationships, 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.520 and from their end, they need you because their job 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.160 as a scout is basically like a detective, just trying 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.960 to accumulate information on these players. And you know, I 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.160 was an open book as most You know, young people 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.240 are great resources for scouts because they'll tell you anything 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.080 because they're trying to you know, they'll tell you the 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.200 truth that they're not they're not covering it up for 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.440 any agenda. They're just telling you. And they're usually pretty 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.040 close with the players because you know, I was four 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:04.400 years old, a lot of players were a year or 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.040 two under me. You're around him a lot. You just 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.959 you just have a pretty good idea of stuff that 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.280 they're asking for. So it just kind of worked out perfectly. 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:13.800 And then on top of that, you just you go 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.000 to school a small percentage of the time and you 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.080 just try to pass your classes and move on. So 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.800 you get the gig working for the Eagles as a scout. 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.559 That's gotta be thrilling. Um. But what what what was 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.680 like the first like the thing that hit you that 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.040 was like, Wow, this job is is really cool, but 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:35.280 this is really hard too. Yeah, I remember once training 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:39.120 camp started, just the pace of everything, and training camp 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.720 in college football is hard too, but you're not getting 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.800 rid of players. And when you first get a job 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.040 in the NFL, usually the position the lowest guy in 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.800 the total poll has is you're constantly taking people to 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.480 airports because you're cutting players, players are getting hurt, and 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.400 you're signing players. And in training camp it is just constant, 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.840 the turnover with the roster, the last ten guys. At 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.680 the time, it was eighty training camp roster was eighty. 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.920 It's not ninety. So you just every day might be 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.560 a new player. And the pace and the urgency of 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.800 everything and the pressure, you know, and what's being asked 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.480 of you. You know, you're not making you're making grand 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.320 yet they are depending on you to print out lists 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.040 for free agents, to have things ready at the general 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:24.959 manager and the head coach whenever they may need it. 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.360 It was just intense and just basic things like you 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.000 don't want to screw up, you know, uh, getting a guy, 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:33.720 you know, five minutes late from bringing him back to 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.640 the airport just because he may have a ten minute 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.959 window of getting a physical and then being a practice. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.559 So it was just it just comes at you full speed. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.040 You can't really be ready for it. You just you 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.280 just kind of hit the ground running and you know, 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:52.199 try to do your best. So, uh, what's uh can 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.000 you even share, like what what was the what's the 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.640 biggest meltdown that you you witnessed? You know, what to say? 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.400 The player name? As far as someone getting cut, you know, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:06.200 I think most players I never had any issues and 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.520 I was a guy being the turk kind of picking 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:13.560 up their playbook. Most guys, you know, the guys if 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.880 you're a veteran player, you go see the head coach. 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.199 Like if you're a guy that's been there a certain 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.080 amount of years and you've earned the respect, you you 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.680 deal directly with the head coach. But the majority of 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.520 guys that are getting cut are like undrafted free agents 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.920 and second year practice squad guys that they know going in. 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.120 It's not it's not your typical job environment where you 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.240 sign a contract or you get hired. You know, for 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.480 the most part, you have a certain amount of time 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.400 to prove your words. You're gonna be there for a while. 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.360 In football, like the urgency level of making the team 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.960 for a large percentage of the players is high, so 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.480 they know that that given day, a lot of it 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:53.560 it may be disappointment, but it's not that they're not 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:57.120 freaking out thinking they got screwed, because they kind of 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.160 know the deal when they get into it. Now you 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.040 see tears and you kind of see maybe just the 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.760 shock of getting uh, you know, cut, but usually it's 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.920 just pretty quiet. You know. I've driven a lot of 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.120 guys who have been cut to the airport. But I 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.240 never in my experience ever had like anger or anything 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.160 like that. It's more just the first couple of dimes 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.960 you do it, it's pretty surreal. And then, like anything 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.080 in life, as by my second year doing stuff like that, 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.400 you just I don't want to say cold blooded, but 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:26.920 you just don't give a ship. You're like, let's get 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:28.600 in the Carlo's go. Come on, man, Hey I got 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.200 other stuff to do. Just it's it's a business, you know. 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.520 It's just it's the way you look at it. I know. 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.360 When um, you know, people find out what I do, 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.320 they immediately want me to listen to their podcasts. They 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.360 want me to give them advice, they want me this this, 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.800 and this and and you know, and at a certain point, 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:46.280 when you do something for a living, you have to go, 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.400 I can't do that. Um, how about when people find 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.400 out you're an NFL scout. How many people come out 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.000 of the woodwork who want you to check out a 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.080 player or hey I got this cousin things like that. 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.360 It used to happen a lot, you know. And and 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.880 at first, you, like you said, whenever you first start 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:04.440 doing something, you're like, oh, yeah, I'll check it out. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.280 Then by you know, six months in, you just stop 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:11.000 even returning emails, let alone looking into it because you 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:15.920 realize the margin for guys making it at this level 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.880 is just slim. The nun and the most of these 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.640 guys giving you flyers. I always personally hated even wasting 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.680 too much time on like seventh and undrafted free agents, 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.640 like you should focus on the top end guys, because 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:32.080 that's ultimately how you win. And you know, in in 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.760 in fairness, every every dad that has a son playing 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:36.960 college football thinks this kid has a chance, and you know, 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.120 sometimes you gotta tell him, no, man, you don't. You 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.160 ain't playing in the NFL. Start start your start your career, 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.000 you know, start do whatever you're doing, get your internship, 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.600 get get it rolling, because that this, you know, I 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.960 think the stat is like one point five percent of 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.760 college football players making the NFL. And you have to 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.640 be so damn good to play Division one college football. 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.520 And obviously some Division two guys make it, but the 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.960 majority of guys in the NFL are Division one college 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.520 football players, and the percentage of them that make it 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.320 from their sport, you know, from college football, is just 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.280 so slim. It's just it's the highest level you know, 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.200 of the profession, and really of basically any profession, because 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.840 it's not many you know, sales jobs or even what 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.600 we're doing, what most people do. A guy can get 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.760 an entry level job and break in in football as 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:32.520 a player. It's basically impossible. Yeah, I think that, you know, 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.040 I go through this a lot. I teach at at 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.520 university and uh it's here in the San Francisco and 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.480 you know, it's a you know, Division two school and 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.359 nobody's going pro. But you know, try telling that to 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.199 the athletes who are screwing off in class, you know, 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.639 because they all think they're gonna especially baseball, because they 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:49.600 they've heard they've had two friends who maybe got a 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.200 triple I mean a single, a contract for a year, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.199 and then you know, now they're out of work, but 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.680 still don't get it like that. You then have to 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.800 get a real job after that, Yeah, I mean, real 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:01.720 life comes at your fast. And I think a lot 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.320 of guys you're just naturally kind of immature, you know, 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.040 in your early twenties. But it's gonna hit you. It's 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.560 gonna hit you hard, and then you just you have 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.920 to adapt. And that's you know what I love about 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.399 football is a lot of guys are just because of 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.440 the nature of the sport. How hard your coach still 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.840 even if you do, quote unquote not make it to 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.479 the pros. I don't. I wouldn't even consider that just 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.439 because some guys make it. Most guys never even had 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.159 the opportunity to make it. They are kind of equipped 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.679 just with the nature of the sport. How demanding it is. 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.040 How you know, it's it's the of the three major sports. 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.480 It makes you use your brain the most because you're 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.520 learning plays a lot of It isn't meeting rooms in 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.879 the classroom. It's it is a very cerebral sport, like 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.679 in baseball. It's just kind of ceball hit ball, you know. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:47.919 I mean, it's not it doesn't take a genius to 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.199 do it. But to play, you know, to play like 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.440 in the New England Patriot offense. Not just the quarterback, 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.200 but if you want to play receiver for Tom Brady, 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.199 you have to be really smart. If you're not, you 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:05.520 will not get on the field. You know, I do. 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:07.760 I went to West Virginia University and I do a 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.800 podcast with Pat White and Steve Slayton every week. Oh 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.359 that's a pretty good one. Yeah, you should say it's fine. 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.160 I'm they're really two really good friends of mine now 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.399 and um and and and I always you know, and 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.800 I talked to a lot of especially former w athletes 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.720 about getting into podcasting and that, and and I'm just 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:27.520 always kind of wonder why, you know, I feel like 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.639 this is, you know, so many, so many students and 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:31.600 athletes tell me they want to be broadcasters, but they 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.760 don't do shit about it. They don't do anything about it, 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:34.879 and that, you know, and you ask them who their 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:36.800 favorite announcer is, and they don't have an answer. It's 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:38.199 just they just want to go do it, but they 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:39.920 don't want to put the work into it. And and 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.480 the thing with Stevens and Pat was, you know, you know, 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.240 I was like, well, let's start a podcast and that 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.399 way you can work out some stuff. Uh. Do you 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.160 see a place where maybe we might hear more ex 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:54.879 athletes getting into the podcasting world instead of radio. I 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.800 could see it the one thing the radio medium for 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.119 a lot of these guys and their local markets. Like 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.439 let's say use Pat Wise as example, if you had 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.080 the opportunity to a radio gig in Morganstown, you know, 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.680 probably it's consistent money. Uh, and the money is just 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.119 kind of set, where in podcasts usually have to hustle 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.760 a little more than go get your advertising. It is 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.119 a little easier if you can get it now. I 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.240 also think just because you are a former athlete doesn't 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.280 mean necessarily going to be any good. Yeah, you know, 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:27.160 I mean, how many podcasts are terrible? Most of them? Yeah, 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.240 that's why everyone's starting a podcast. Well does that even mean? 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.280 You know, most of them are terrible. But to me, 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.719 I'm a big believer as the cream always rises. So 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.159 there are certain athletes that are really good broadcasts for 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:42.800 a reason. They probably work hard at it. They have 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:47.199 a natural personality there, you know, well spoken, they are outspoken. Uh, 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:49.359 they're not afraid to kind of ruffle some feathers. And 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.159 those guys will always be good. Just like in podcasts, 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.520 you see the cream kind of rise, the other ones 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.240 don't really get noticed now. Also, I'm sure there are 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:59.959 also a lot of good podcasts that haven't been noticed yet. 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.920 You know, it's just but ultimately they will be Uh. 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.480 It's just it's the nature of how things work in 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.159 this country. By the way, speaking of cream rising to 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.920 the top, your thoughts on West Virginia went into Big 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:18.000 twelve this year. Uh in football this upcoming year. I mean, 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.679 is your coach gonna last through the season? Come on, 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:27.000 well we're back, Come on, it's gonna be great that Oklahoma. 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:29.600 You know, they're losing one of the best players they've 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:32.920 ever had in bigger field. Now they are clearly are 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:36.440 stacked every year, but that's a pretty big transition for them, 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.560 So you'd have to think it's it's somewhat open. Uh. 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:43.000 Texas Tech has been kind of average. Texas feels still 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.360 like two years away from being a year away, even 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:48.360 though they're on their third coach since Mack Brown. Uh, 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.480 there is a lot of pressure on West Virginia, right, 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:52.119 I mean, you know better than me. It feels like 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:56.520 Dana kind of held on a little bit this year. Uh, 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.399 you know, have they has he left a little to 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:01.119 be desired? You know, it's it is kind of a 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.880 tough place to win, just relative to their conference now. 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.639 But I think, yeah, they could win nine ten games, 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.880 thank you. That's all I wanted to hear. The other 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:13.600 thing is they would you would you say West Virginia 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:16.520 as a football school or basketball school? I mean, we 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:18.960 are football school. We've always been a football school, but 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.600 I mean that's not true anymore. I mean, I mean 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:25.520 from the time that be Line was there until now. 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.600 I mean, we've been a consistent top twenty five basketball program, 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:30.600 sweet sixteen three out of the last four years. I mean, 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:33.199 it's it's not uh. I mean, yeah, I think, you know, 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.159 I think that I think we are probably a bigger 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:38.720 basketball school at this point, but we'll always feel like 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.639 a football school. And I think if I was a 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:45.400 West Virginia fan, my issue would be and obviously Huggies 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:48.479 big time, but it's like our basketball team. As an 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:51.520 outside observer, I watched Huggies team play, It's like these 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:54.280 guys are just badass. They throw haymakers, they're tough, and 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:56.160 then I watched the football team play. It's like they're 0:22:56.200 --> 0:23:00.560 kind of soft. So it's how's that now? Granted, Huggins, 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.800 if you had to pick all the Division one uh 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:07.399 college basketball coaches, who would be your number one choice 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:09.639 to just transition to become a football coach, he would 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.919 easily be the number one guy, because I mean he 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.040 dresses literally like a football coach, and his teams, you know, 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:18.360 full court press. But it's just it's it's hard when 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.160 you're at a football school and then the basketball coach 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.600 now isn't didn't hugging Huggins go to school there? Yeah, yeah, 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.240 he's uh, he's actually it's a little it's a little unique, 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:30.520 but I mean the basketball coach clearly is overshadowing the 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.320 football coach, and that usually leads to a guy getting fired. Well, 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:35.480 he and he's just not been. And I'll tell you 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.120 know where a lot of this started with Dana Why 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:40.159 people don't love him from his how he dresses. He 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:42.879 wouldn't wear the blue and gold, he won't always insist 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:44.679 on wearing black. And I know that sounds like a 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:47.320 little thing on game day, On game day and when 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:50.360 and when that, when that first came, you know that happened, 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:52.720 a lot of West Virginia fans had an issue with 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.360 it and his attitude towards it was too bad instead 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:59.840 of maybe okay, things like that. It doesn't matter. It 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.520 does matter in the in the pros. It doesn't mean 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.880 ship as long as you get it done. No one, 0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:07.439 no one even really thinks like that in college because 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:10.760 the alumni has been so closely associated and they go 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.520 to all these dinners. When you do arrogant stuff like that, 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:16.320 and then you don't quite get it done. It flips 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:18.880 on you fast. It is it is, and I think 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:20.919 that was. I mean, and there's a lot of us 0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.879 that you've got this, like you said, alumni coaching your 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:26.280 your basketball team. That feels like God, that's one of 0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:31.600 ours doing exactly And I mean and Huggins is he 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.439 can do no wrong in Morgantown and Hogerson can't. And 0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:36.240 you know, I mean he did you say he has 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:39.320 a lifetime contract, Bob Hoggins, Oh, he absolutely does. But 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:42.120 the way he is, I don't see him. I see 0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:44.680 him having another massive heart attack within the next five years. 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:48.560 And it's not a joke. That's at something real concern that. Yeah, 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:50.520 I and a lot of other folks that are close 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.760 to you know, West Virginia sports worry about how do 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:57.200 you think he weighs? Oh, he's got to be over 0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.639 three bills and because he's he's tall, right, he's like 0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.800 six he's tall, and uh yeah, and just has he's 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.679 had two major heart attacks and has zero concern for 0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:08.800 what he puts into his body. Zero And clearly he's 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:11.959 a grinder, right, I mean, he's in his office breaking 0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:15.520 down film, eating cheeseburgers and whatever. Doesn't even worry about it. 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:16.920 I don't want to get into the weeds on West 0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:19.800 Virginia Sports, but on our podcast this week we talked 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:22.600 about why hasn't he won a national championship? And my 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:25.439 thing is that, Um, you know, I work with a 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:27.760 lot of millennials. This is what I do to teach. 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:31.280 You know, all my staff are millennials, and that hard 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:35.840 knock approach works to a certain extent, but you still 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:37.760 have to have a little bit of give with these 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:41.159 kids because that's just unfortunately there they that's their generation, 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:43.919 and he doesn't do that, and it's just his his 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.560 insistence on if somebody does one thing wrong, pulls him 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.840 off the court and yells at him and you see 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:50.919 him break down at the end of the game. I 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:53.760 would love you to push back on that, because I'm 0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:56.520 a millennial. To now the older I'm thirty three, so 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:59.080 I'm right at the beginning of the millennials. You're barely 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:02.479 a millennial. I do think at the core, most humans, 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:06.280 especially the highest level competitive humans, whether you're working in finance, 0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:09.040 whether you're playing on a high level basketball team, whether 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:11.600 you're trying to have the number one podcast when you 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.040 work with or technically four Like, if he's your coach 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:16.920 or your boss, a high level guy that you really respect, 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.280 you can push them to the limits. So to me, 0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:23.760 Bob Huggins like even though these kids are one and 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:27.359 their millennials playing on their phone, deep down to their core, 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.760 like any competitor worth their salt kind of likes being 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:34.600 motherfucked and pushed a little bit. You know. I don't 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:38.000 necessarily think, because that gets thrown around a lot with 0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:41.359 with millennials that they can't handle it. I disagree, and 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:45.200 I think just humans, the highest level competitive humans don't 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:48.240 really mind. I know it's and I don't disagree with you, John, 0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:50.960 I absolutely believe and I think I get the most 0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:53.159 out of my people because I do push them and 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.240 I'm the first voice of reason to say, hey, you're 0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:57.119 not as good as you think you are. But I 0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:58.760 do think at the end of the day, I need 0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:00.280 to give them a little pat on the us once 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:01.520 in a while and say a good job, you know, 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:03.760 I mean, and that's and that's there's nothing wrong with that, 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:06.399 not just going to college basketball tangent here. But I 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:09.760 think when you look at like coach Calipari or or 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.879 coach k Like, those guys are hard asses too, you know, 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.960 Bill self. I mean those guys are screaming at people, 0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:19.400 and I think a lot of times athletes. And this 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:22.600 is where Twitter always freaks out when a dude gets 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.679 berated on the side, Like God, they're used to it, 0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.480 you know, They're just it's not it's not a normal 0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:30.560 work environment, like you couldn't. You wouldn't bate a student 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:33.040 in a class like a coach would braid a guy 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.120 on a court or on on the field. You've never 0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:38.480 been in my classes. Well, I gotta come check it out. 0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:40.520 I gotta get an in fine. What do you mean 0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:48.520 you didn't finish your podcast on Tuesday, Bush Lee exactly. Um, yeah, 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:50.879 but here, but you understand it's my hot take. You know, 0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:53.280 I gotta have something to end basketball season, to get 0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:55.359 the get the get the people talking. So that was 0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:58.320 my hot take. Another person on the show's hot take 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:00.679 is that he drinks too much, and and that's that 0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.159 was another one that we we bannered about. But I 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:05.040 haven't gotten the feedback on that yet. I don't think 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:06.760 that we're gonna get a lot of happiness from the 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.879 university with that. Mentioned, but hey, how how do you 0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:13.080 drinks too much? Yeah? I mean it's sure it doesn't 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:17.520 look like he's you know, drinking G two's. Uh yeah, 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:21.639 I'm gonna leave it at that. Hey. One thing I 0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:24.040 wanted to talk to you about is, you know, you 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:28.760 know the NFL. What do people get wrong about the NFL? 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:32.760 And do you feel that the NFL is is is 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:36.000 going towards the less popular side or is it still 0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:38.720 as popular as ever. I don't know if it's quote 0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:40.840 unquote as popular as ever, maybe as it was like 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.880 two or three years ago, but I think relative to 0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:47.440 the other sports, uh, it's so much more popular than 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.520 the other two sports. I mean, the Lebron game on 0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:52.760 like Friday will get a little over a million people 0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:56.280 watching it. Those Thursday night football games that Twitter will 0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.320 tell you are terrible get like thirteen million people watching it. 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.560 This second biggest sport in America is Tiger woods. It's 0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:06.320 not basketball or baseball. The NFL, and really college football 0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:10.360 to football just in general, is on a pedestal by itself. 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:12.280 So even when it has a rough year like it 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:15.160 has this last year in ratings wise, and I personally 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.160 think there's more to it. I mean, people are streaming. 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.800 The game's changed a little bit, but it's so far 0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:24.440 ahead just in terms of the viewership and interest when 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:27.040 you factor in gambling, when you factor in fantasy football. 0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:31.160 There's also an element of urgency with the sport. Like 0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:34.880 baseball opening days tomorrow, Well, there's a hundred and sixty 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:37.640 two games, So I can't even pretend that the game, 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:41.760 you know, whatever the date will be, March nine begins 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.520 to matter that there's six more months of games. We're 0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:47.600 in football, and you see this in college football. Definitely, 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:51.840 every game means so much in a society where you know, 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.360 urgency is such a big deal, it's always going to 0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:56.680 have that just the way the sport is set up. 0:29:57.040 --> 0:29:59.560 And you see it in basketball, like the regular season 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:03.800 means nothing. Definitely in college basketball, right just like get 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:06.080 to the tournament and see what happens. That there's an 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:09.680 urgency level that fans that the sport brings, the fans 0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:12.959 that to me will never go away. And now they 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:16.720 have to adapt with streaming and engaging all that bs. 0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:19.280 But to me, the popularity of the sport, even with 0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:21.600 some of the issues they're dealing with with concussions and 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:24.280 the violence, which I also think the little bs. I 0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:28.080 think humans yearn for violence. It's why we It's why 0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:32.880 I didn't even hesitate to spend when Floyd fought you know, Connor, 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.239 even though that fight was pretty bad. But you know, 0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.840 the big hits. People love it. You know, people love it. 0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.240 They love car crashes, that love fights. I mean, that's why. 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.200 It's why when you're in high school and someone's getting 0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:45.520 to fight, every kid runs and circles them. You know, 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:48.440 It's just it's a natural human reaction. That's why world 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:52.040 starts are popular. Exactly. Hey, I didn't even get a 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:54.880 chance to talk about you and Haybrman because I I 0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:57.680 love the concept of of two friends doing a radio 0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:00.600 show and I thought it was very unique. Um. So 0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:03.040 I'm hoping that maybe you guys can swing by sometime 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:04.760 in San Francisco and get in the studio when we 0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.320 can talk about that podcast. But but real quickly, just 0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:09.840 just kind of touch on that how that happened. Um 0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:12.000 And for folks that don't know about about the radio 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:15.040 show that you know that you did here in San Francisco. Yeah, 0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.040 I mean guy was an up and coming star, I 0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.800 mean still is doing stuff at packed ALF Network now 0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:23.000 and uh, he was working in radio. I had just 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.960 got fired from the NFL, and you know kind of 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:27.920 I was looking to kind of get into the media 0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.120 and I came in and just did a couple of 0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:34.000 hits on his station. Uh. And the program director at 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.920 the time heard my stuff, liked it, kind of wanted 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.320 me to get more involved and do more stuff. And 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:41.719 you know, one thing led to another, and then probably 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:44.360 six months later, he had the idea, why don't you 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:47.360 two guys do a show. Uh, And then we started 0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:49.000 doing a show and we did that for about three 0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.640 and a half years, and you know, it was it 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.800 was a blast. It was it was fun. You know, 0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:56.640 it was fun to listen to as well. I really uh, 0:31:56.680 --> 0:32:01.200 I was. I was a listener. Uh, daily listeners. Thank 0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:03.480 you for Thank you for making my life a little 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.200 better for those for those you know, and and you know, 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:09.800 in the business, one management changes and just you know, 0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.480 you're working for people that you just you're like, what 0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.160 am I doing? It's just I mean, my dog could 0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.600 run this station better. Just no, things aren't gonna work out. 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:20.720 And it was sad because we had we had a 0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:24.280 good thing going. And luckily, you know, it's two eighteen 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:27.280 and not ninete, so we were able to just keep 0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:29.920 it going and make money in a different in a 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:36.800 different form. Listen. I like to finish off with the 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:40.040 three killer questions. Three questions for you, John Metelkoff, the 0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:42.680 first one being if you could listen to any athlete, 0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:45.840 living or dead, do a podcast, who would you want 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:50.040 to listen to? That's a good one. Uh, living or dead, 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.000 it's a great question, I know, thank you like and 0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:56.800 he'd be fully honest. Oh yeah, absolutely, podcast honest. You 0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.040 know Mike's on. It could be. It could even be 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:02.520 a couple. I mean, Mickey mant would have to be. 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.600 I mean, just give Mickey about a six pack and 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.600 just say let it rip, Mick. I think Mickey'd be 0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:11.479 right up there. And you know, if he was gonna 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.480 truly be honest and tell me all the goods, Pete 0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:18.440 Rose wouldn't be a bad one either, that'd be good. Uh, 0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:21.320 you know it just it feels like to get Montana. 0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:25.360 I've I've heard some fantastic Montana stories. As Randy Cross 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.240 I think once famously said you you never went into 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:30.880 a bar and didn't look much better standing next to Joe. 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:35.760 Uh that I don't just Joe's personality. How open would 0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:37.840 he be? But I think some of those baseball players 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.120 and like the fifties and the sixties would be pretty 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:43.080 damn good. No. I think Michael Jordan would be fantastic. 0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:45.400 But like Michael and Joe, they I don't even think 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:47.560 they would say anything. There's no amount of money you 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:50.400 could get to get them to be candid. Mickey Man, 0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:52.880 that's a that's a really good one. What's the dumbest 0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:56.440 thing you've ever done for sports? Uh? You mean in 0:33:56.560 --> 0:34:02.240 terms of this dumbest thing in general? Uh, that's a 0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:07.360 good question. I know, I'm very good, John, I don't know. 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:12.160 That's that's that's a good one. You know. I once 0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:14.480 when I was working in Philly, I once filled up 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:17.480 the general manager's car with gas because he needed yet 0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:19.040 he didn't have time to go to the gas station. 0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:20.799 So you just have to do stupid ship like that. 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.680 But you never had to go get the bat straightener. Uh. 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:26.520 Do you ever heard that story about the sending the 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.400 bat boy around to get the bat straightener? No? I didn't. 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:31.800 I'll send it to you. It's a it's on a podcast. 0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.360 Very good story. Anyway. How about the last podcast that 0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:38.760 you binge? Uh? That's a good one. I was actually 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.759 this morning before we hopped on listening to uh, Bill 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:45.040 Simmons and Kevin Durant. He just had Kevin Durant on, Yeah, 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:47.640 and Durant, So I'll probably hit that back up a 0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.840 little later today. Yeah, I love that. I like Bill Simmons. 0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:53.279 He usually has a good guests on. Yeah. He I 0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:56.400 like Bill. He he has that kind of interview style 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:59.240 that I like, which is kind of relaxed and conversational 0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:01.560 and you know, you don't know where it's gonna go. 0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:03.480 He's I'm a big fan of his, have been first 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.200 and like I listen to Bill like Bill is not. 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:08.279 I don't look at him like a radio host, like 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:10.239 for me, you're listening to me for my opinion, Like 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:12.799 you listen to Bill because he's getting guests on, and 0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:14.920 so I whenever he has a big guest on, I 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:18.440 listen to a show. John Mittelcoff, it's been a real pleasure. 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:20.360 I enjoy talking to you, and hopefully we'll get you 0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:24.200 in studio and do this again. Definitely, Thanks man, Thanks John, 0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:31.320 that was funzy. That was it was a good interview. 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:35.000 I always like talking to UH folks that have listened 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.920 to on the radio. It's it's, it's it's I'm still 0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:41.040 like a nerd, right, and I feel like you're also 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:43.759 such a big sports fan that it was such an 0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:46.480 easy conversation for I do need to apologize for all 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.160 the West Virginia University talk everybody. I should have put 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:53.080 that at the top of the show, a disclaimer. Anytime 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:54.719 I talk sports is going to turn into a w 0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:58.080 W conversation. That is just unfortunately, that's what you get 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.560 when you when you listen to to pot cast of mine. 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:02.719 If you don't like it, that's like half your brain. 0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:05.239 It is half my brain. Yeah. Now I have to 0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:10.760 football season because if you want to follow John on Twitter, 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.440 it's at John Middlecoff. It's m I D D L 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:16.520 E K A U f F. He does a twitter 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:19.799 uh little periscope thing every day if you want to 0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:22.640 watch that. And also you can listen to him with 0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:25.839 his former partner or its current partner, but it's former 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.640 radio partner, Guy Haberman, which I think is a funny name, 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:34.080 Guy HABERMANN. It's fun to say Guy Haberman and John Middlecoff. 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:38.040 They have Haberman and Middlecoff podcast you can check out too. 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:41.279 But there are more podcasts out there that we want 0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:43.239 to talk about. I'm actually to see what you picked 0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:45.399 out this week Z for us to check out. All right, 0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:49.280 So my first one is called now What with Arian Foster? 0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:52.799 And Arian Foster is a former NFL running back and 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:56.319 he is now turn podcaster and it's cool because, um 0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:59.879 it's not just a podcast about sports, but it's also 0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:03.520 about things that he's interested in that he brings in experts. 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.839 So he loves space. So he bought brought in um 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:10.240 an astronaut onto his show. He was he bought Snoop 0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:12.520 Dogg onto a show because Snoop Dogg has that football league. 0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:14.919 He's a coach now, so it's really interesting. It's cool 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.319 to see him outside of the football realm. Let's check 0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:19.040 it out. You know, Pok was my friend before he 0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:21.239 got on death Row records. I met him at the 0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:24.040 Poetic Justice rap party and when I met him, we 0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.600 was like sort of kind of like battle rapping against 0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:28.560 each other the first time we meet. Man, if you 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.360 look at all the old clips, they all all the 0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:32.600 goats went at each other. Man, it was just liked it. 0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:35.360 I've been a big fan of his because he is 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:37.640 so smart and he has he has a lot of 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:39.440 cool things to say. And you know, I was talking 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.440 to John about more ex athletes doing podcasting, and I 0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:44.360 think that's an example of somebody who who can do 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:46.640 it and do it well, especially because it's not just 0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:49.359 about sports. Yeah, and I think that when you do 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:53.440 a podcast that is um had several different things that 0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:55.520 you talk about, it's you have to have the right host, 0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:58.120 and he is the right host for that. So good choice. 0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:01.799 Thank you, so can one. This is one of my 0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:05.800 favorite wrestlers growing up. It's a Steve Boston show. Everybody 0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:08.879 loves loves Stone Cold Steve Boston. It's I mean, if 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:12.120 you when I moved to America from Sri Lanka, this 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:13.799 is one of the first things my brother and I 0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:16.560 were ever introduced to was the w W E on 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:19.720 a second, that was your introduction to United States culture, 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:26.400 and we loved it so much, the Cane and Undertaker 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:28.160 and all of that. I was just like, we were ready. 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:31.080 Did you walk around saying they're they're catch phrases? Yeah, 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.399 all the time. We would wait for the alive like 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:37.960 episodes or whatever. I didn't think. I honestly didn't figure 0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:42.879 out it was fake until really later on your eyes. 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:44.839 Tell me that you still don't think it's fake. I 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:48.360 just don't want to believe it. Wow, what's your favorite 0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:51.239 catchphrase from a wrestler and do it for me for 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:53.960 I keep wanting to say it was the Booker t one, 0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:56.520 but then I can't remember. I always say rocks one, 0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:01.360 smell what the rock is cooking it? I can't come on, 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:07.680 do it? Can you smell what you guys? Come on? 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:10.680 Do it? No? I just like also like Ray Mysterios 0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:14.400 walk up song and then his move in between the ropes. 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:16.640 I can't believe we're talking. Well, I talked about West 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:20.960 Virginia University for ten minutes, so let's go. Yeah, and 0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:24.880 a really cool dude. I got to meet him a 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.120 number of years back when he his book came out 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.759 and he actually came to a charity like we had 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:31.640 him on the show, and then he came and showed 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:35.239 up at a charity event that that next morning. You know, 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:38.799 just asking too when he just showed up. Great guy, cool. Yeah, 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.000 I would love to meet him, especially like listening to 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.920 his podcast. What surprised me a lot was so the 0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:47.600 description is whatever pops into his brain and they really 0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:51.439 mean it, like it's it's obviously about wrestling, but he's 0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:53.600 so knowledgeable about a lot of other things that he 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.840 just talks and it's unfiltered and he's completely the person 0:39:56.880 --> 0:40:00.480 that you would think he is outside wrestling. Let's check 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:05.040 it out. The legit boss Sasha has a ring to it. 0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:09.400 How did you come up with that name? Very random? Um? 0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:11.360 I think I was like my first month in f 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:14.560 c W and Rob Nayl at the time, he said 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:16.440 we need a list of names, and I gave him 0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:18.600 a list and Sasha was a different last name and 0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:21.239 I don't remember, and Banks is a different first name. 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:23.680 And then a week lay like your Sasha Banks, And 0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:26.440 I was like, you like a little caveat to that. 0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:28.880 If you're a new podcaster and you don't have a 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:31.360 large following of people who were already fans of yours, 0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:34.560 this is not a good format. This format is great 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:37.480 when you're you've already got people stone cold yeah. But 0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.440 if you were you know, Jim Smith, who has two 0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:43.200 people following you on Twitter, and you want to do 0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:46.600 a podcast about anything that pops into your head, it's 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.120 not gonna work. Not the game plan you want to 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:50.719 go in, Not the game plan. A little a little 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.879 free consulting there from Maddie Media. Boom, alright, what else 0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.120 you got? So the last one is a shout out 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:59.440 to Colin Cowherd. So it's his podcast, The Herd, and 0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:03.319 it's about sports, different sports, not just one sport. And 0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:06.440 it's a different take. It's not just factual, it's his opinion. 0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:10.319 He also has like that old sportscaster voice that I 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:13.000 really like. You know what I'm talking about? Like, I 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.360 do know what you're talking about it? Yeah, I like 0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:18.279 it a lot. Let's check it out. Offensive guys are 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:22.680 about skill and choreography and unity, playing together. They huddle up, 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:28.440 they call a play on three, they audible together, choreographed. 0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:32.160 One guy doesn't get it, penalty blows it up. Defensive 0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:37.800 guys are about blowing stuff up. They're aggressive, they're intimidating. 0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:41.800 You know what a safety is, it's a wide receiver 0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:45.600 that can't catch. You know what a linebacker is a 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:49.480 running back with no moves or speed. I want my 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:55.640 offensive guys to be choreographed and unified, great listeners, you 0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:59.240 know what. I want my defensive guys to be little 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:03.640 lack o And I'm totally okay with it. You have 0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.960 voices like that always like scared me because I never 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:09.440 had a voice like that, and and and it's it 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:15.000 is you don't hear it all the time. Yeah, Collin Collins, Uh, 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:18.799 he's he's a legend in the business. So it's cool 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:20.560 that he's part of We get to have some of 0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:23.760 the folks on from his new podcast network, including John Mettalcoff, 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:25.160 who was a great guest today. So I want to 0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:27.120 thank John Meddalcoff from coming on this show today and 0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.080 again follow him on Twitter at John Middlecoff. You can 0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.839 follow me on Twitter, Instagram, uh, and Facebook and see 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:35.960 lots of pictures of me at West Virginia University of 0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:38.640 Basketball games and actually me with the some of the 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:42.360 players from the Sweet Sixteen at Maddie Stout m A 0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:44.480 T T Y S T A U d T. Other 0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:47.040 than that, lots of pictures of my dogs. Um. I 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.080 also want to do a shout out to the podcast 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:51.880 The Cooler on k q e D. It's an MPR podcast. 0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:54.759 They actually took our show from a few weeks ago 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:56.359 that we did with them and put it on their 0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:59.560 podcast feed, So great little sharing going on there. Uh. 0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:01.720 Those I love those guys are like my new favorite 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:03.440 friends online. I talked to them all the time, so 0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:05.680 uh go go check them out again if you haven't 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:08.960 done that already. Um and also again if you like 0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:13.440 John Medalkoff, checkout habramnt and medalcoffe is other podcast Z. 0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:17.239 You're a fantastic producer. Thank you appreciate it. I want 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:19.880 to also announce that we're gonna be changing the format 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:23.200 of the show just a bit. We'll be publishing every 0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:25.319 two weeks now instead of every week. Now. That's not 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.520 saying we might not stick one in here and there 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:30.120 every week, but we want to just try to be 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.839 I'll be completely transparent. I'm slammed and it's hard to 0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:37.399 get one of these done every week because a little 0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:39.160 more work goes into it than you think. So we're 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:42.000 gonna do it every two weeks. So if you're one 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:46.160 of our thousands and thousands, of hundreds, maybe tens of fans, 0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:52.920 I hope you understand. Thanks for tuning in. I want 0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:55.440 to thank our engineer's Horse and David and of course 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:57.239 Casey who does the music. I want to do a 0:43:57.239 --> 0:43:59.839 shout out to Ricardo a R who works here at 0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:02.440 Heart Radio and does lots of all the little promo 0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:05.680 things you see on social media. He does a goodbye 0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:09.319 and a fawn farewell to our engineer Anna. She's going 0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:13.160 back to Drexel University and just revolutionize all the streaming 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:15.239 stuff that you see on all the high I Heeart 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:17.759 stations here in San Francisco. She built the unit that 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:20.000 did that, so really cool stuff. She's she's on the 0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:22.400 bigger and better thing, not the better, but she's on 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:25.200 the big things. And I want to especially thank Katie 0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:28.480 Wilcox here at I Heeart Radio in San Francisco, Don Parker, 0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:32.359 and the pod father Chris Peterson of I Heeart Radio. 0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:33.760 Thanks everybody for listening.