Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another edition of Access Podcast, the
Speaker 1: podcast about podcast. I'm Mattie Stout and producer Z. You
Speaker 1: have put together a guest that I really enjoyed this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was cool if I've been listening to him for
Speaker 1: a while, so it was nice to have him on
Speaker 1: the show. John Middlecoff is the host of three and Out.
Speaker 1: It's one of the new podcast on the brand new
Speaker 1: Herd network that's calling cowhards new podcast networks. And he's
Speaker 1: also somebody I used to listen to every day on
Speaker 1: the radio, so it's very exciting to talk to him.
Speaker 1: Let's check out a little bit of John Meddlecoff right now.
Speaker 1: I will say this the most talented player in this
Speaker 1: draft from the quarterback perspective, and I you could argue
Speaker 1: just overall player, but let's just just talk quarterbacks. Is
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen for me? And I don't really think it's
Speaker 1: that close. Just pure talent. There's more to the quarterback
Speaker 1: than just ability though the mental capacity, personality that there's
Speaker 1: so much more than, but just in a vacuum, Josh
Speaker 1: Rosen for me is the number one quarterback on my
Speaker 1: draft board. And I'm John Mettalcoff. We don't know each other,
Speaker 1: but I know you because I used to listen to
Speaker 1: your show a lot locally on on on a radio
Speaker 1: station that you did with Haberman, which I want to
Speaker 1: talk about in a second. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know this, but I feel personally responsible for your
Speaker 1: podcast since I was one of the people who tweeted
Speaker 1: you after your show went off the air and said
Speaker 1: start a podcast. UM So, so you're welcome, is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Thank you, thank you. You know, we just
Speaker 1: tried to expand you know, you go from terrestrial radio,
Speaker 1: which is uh hanging on by a thread, and you
Speaker 1: you always want to uh you know, adapt in life
Speaker 1: and things change. And you know, I've enjoyed doing the
Speaker 1: podcast for the last couple of years. Well, I left
Speaker 1: radio nine years ago. I did mornings in San Francisco
Speaker 1: to to get into podcasting and Stitcher um and and
Speaker 1: I've always felt that for talk folks, while why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you want to be in podcasting because we get to
Speaker 1: do everything that we did well and talk, but yet
Speaker 1: we get to say whatever we want. I know, it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's weird. Once you get into podcasting and
Speaker 1: you kind of get the free flow flow of doing
Speaker 1: whatever you want and in the way, you know, I
Speaker 1: do two separate podcasts now, this one with Colin Coward,
Speaker 1: which is just me and I've kind of taken that.
Speaker 1: I do a periscope show on Twitter and I've kind
Speaker 1: of just taken that a little more segmented to the
Speaker 1: Colin show. But two with Haberman. You know, we have
Speaker 1: we know what we're doing, so it's we can bang
Speaker 1: out topics and kind of set it up like a
Speaker 1: radio show, but it kind of adapted to the podcast
Speaker 1: medium and it's, uh, it's been great, and you go
Speaker 1: back and we filled in a little bit. On radio,
Speaker 1: some of the local stations can be are and it's
Speaker 1: kind of weird because it's very regimented. You know, you
Speaker 1: gotta get out at certain times you're you're not used
Speaker 1: to doing that. Once you get a little spoiled in
Speaker 1: the podcast world. As someone has come back to radio
Speaker 1: and pod and done podcasting in radio, it is tough.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a tough adjustment once you've had that
Speaker 1: freedom of podcasting to do terrestrial radio again. Have you
Speaker 1: always been a radio connoisseur and fan growing up that
Speaker 1: you have your favorite announcers that that just you know
Speaker 1: that you were like, goddamn, I want to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean I remember being in six and
Speaker 1: seventh grade and having those Uh kids these days wouldn't
Speaker 1: even know what they are, but that that yellow radio
Speaker 1: you know, the Walkman, and you had the yellow one,
Speaker 1: that was the waterproof one you were fancy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had the yellow one. So that was probably you know,
Speaker 1: mid nineties and listening to Jim Rome and I used
Speaker 1: to uh, I used to love Jim Roman in the
Speaker 1: mid to late nineties and just he was so badass.
Speaker 1: He had so many big at the time baseball, you know,
Speaker 1: it was kind of what the equivalent of kind of
Speaker 1: what the football is now. It was so big, uh,
Speaker 1: every player, you know, two or three stars on each
Speaker 1: team throughout all of Major League Baseball. And he'd have
Speaker 1: him on all the time, and he'd go to all
Speaker 1: Star games and have the sweetest interviews and everyone was
Speaker 1: so good with him because he was one of the
Speaker 1: at the time, probably in the late nineties, one of
Speaker 1: the only big time national radio host you know, especially
Speaker 1: that we got and he was a West Coast guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were some on the East Coast, but
Speaker 1: that we could listen to it. I was I'm from Davis,
Speaker 1: right up the road here from the Bay Area, so
Speaker 1: you know, I would just remember thinking, Jim Rome, what
Speaker 1: was the ship? Yeah, no, I love Jim. I mean
Speaker 1: I had the same kind of experience growing up in
Speaker 1: the East Coast with with Stern. But um, I think
Speaker 1: that once you have, like you get that bug, it's
Speaker 1: hard to get rid of it. Um when you were
Speaker 1: when you were going coming up through high school and
Speaker 1: into college, UM was announcing top of mind or you
Speaker 1: know sports. You know, obviously you've always been a sports guy,
Speaker 1: but you know, when did that become more of something
Speaker 1: that you thought, this is where I want to go
Speaker 1: with my career. Yeah, I mean it was always my life.
Speaker 1: I was playing not not very good, but you know,
Speaker 1: when you're in high school, you're playing sports. Hayberman was
Speaker 1: actually we went to high school together. He called our
Speaker 1: high school football games. So he was basically on a
Speaker 1: road map to become in the next Bob cost Us.
Speaker 1: You know that that's what he was gonna be doing
Speaker 1: for me. I didn't quite know as maybe as clear
Speaker 1: clearly at that time that that was what I was
Speaker 1: gonna be doing. But I definitely knew once I got
Speaker 1: to college in cal Poly that you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of missed it. You're kind of screwing around the first
Speaker 1: couple of years working in business. You get an internship
Speaker 1: at Morgan Stanley, You're like, you know, I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: make millions. And then the first day you get there,
Speaker 1: they had you know, you wear a suit and tie
Speaker 1: to work and they have you spackling the walls. You're like,
Speaker 1: what this sucks? What what am I doing? And uh?
Speaker 1: And then you kind of get back into it, and
Speaker 1: one thing led to another. And I've always been really opinionated,
Speaker 1: you know, I've always been you know, my my dad's
Speaker 1: first reaction was always to tell me to shut up
Speaker 1: because I could never stop talking. So it comes pretty
Speaker 1: naturally to me. I just ended up working kind of
Speaker 1: on the team side, uh, and got into scouting. It just,
Speaker 1: you know a little bit by happenstance. I didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: know I was going to do that at the time.
Speaker 1: It just kind of one thing led to another and
Speaker 1: it just happened. I want to get into that in
Speaker 1: a second, but I want to touch on something you
Speaker 1: just said about um being opinion aided, and I hope
Speaker 1: you take this as a compliment. I'm from the East Coast,
Speaker 1: and when I listen to you, I think, I you know,
Speaker 1: when I listen to go, that sounds like a guy
Speaker 1: from the East Coast, because I do feel that East
Speaker 1: Coast sports announcers tend to have that kind of ego
Speaker 1: opinionated thing and not not not saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: you're this overblown ego, but you're you have that really
Speaker 1: strong but you know exactly what I'm saying, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it just kind of comes naturally. And I
Speaker 1: think when you listen, like you said, I mean, you
Speaker 1: grew up on the East Coast and here in Stern.
Speaker 1: You know, five years ago you just were kind of
Speaker 1: you could only listen to what you had around you.
Speaker 1: Now with serious XM, you know, I've ever probably the
Speaker 1: last ten years, you know, know who Howard Stern is
Speaker 1: and be able to listen to him on a daily basis,
Speaker 1: or Chris Russo uh living in Philly here and some
Speaker 1: of those type personalities like if you fake it. I
Speaker 1: think you can fake it for a minute just because
Speaker 1: you think that's the way to do it, but eventually
Speaker 1: you get exposed. If that's not truly your personality. Like
Speaker 1: Stephen A. Smith for exam ample. Yeah, I've met Stephen A. Smith.
Speaker 1: He acts like he does on television when you meet
Speaker 1: him in the hallway. Super nice guy. But I mean
Speaker 1: that's he's not faking it, And I think that's why
Speaker 1: it kind of resonates and works. Like me, when you
Speaker 1: hear me talk, or you meet me at the gym,
Speaker 1: or you see me at a restaurant, or you watch me,
Speaker 1: you know, on social media or whatever, like that's I'm
Speaker 1: who I am. You know, I'm not you just I
Speaker 1: think I always whenever young people ask me for advice
Speaker 1: how to get in, I just say, be true to yourself,
Speaker 1: you know, do what you want to do. Don't try
Speaker 1: to act or be like someone else. And it's you
Speaker 1: could have a mentor or look up to people and
Speaker 1: aspire to do things, you know, Like I'm working with
Speaker 1: Colin Coward now, it's pretty cool. I mean I've been
Speaker 1: listening to his radio show for a long time. He's
Speaker 1: my favorite radio host by far. Like I grew up
Speaker 1: on Jim Rome, but now like to me, Jim doesn't
Speaker 1: do it for me anymore, Like I need a little
Speaker 1: smarter sports talk. You know, there's other aspects of life
Speaker 1: that I like, and Colin no one better in the business.
Speaker 1: I don't even think it's close. Uh. So you can
Speaker 1: aspire to be like someone, but you have to put
Speaker 1: your own twist on it. And ultimately that's kind of
Speaker 1: what I've tried to do. Well. You know, I teach
Speaker 1: uh and coach a lot of podcasting, and the first
Speaker 1: thing I tell people is that this is the most
Speaker 1: honest medium that there is. You can't lie in audio
Speaker 1: over time, and any of us who have done talk radio,
Speaker 1: you know, we go went for four and a half hours.
Speaker 1: You can go in and pretend to be in a
Speaker 1: good mood, but the listeners are gonna know you're in
Speaker 1: a bad mood within about twenty minutes because you just
Speaker 1: can't hold that up the whole time. And I think
Speaker 1: that that's why, um, you know that that that transition
Speaker 1: from talk to podcasting is so much easier than someone
Speaker 1: who was coming from a traditional you know, maybe radio
Speaker 1: background is a disc jockey, because it's a different skill
Speaker 1: set than what you have to do for sure. Uh.
Speaker 1: I also think when you naturally one thing that I've
Speaker 1: always kind of hung my hat on is when I
Speaker 1: got out of the NFL, I realized, like, I don't
Speaker 1: really give a ship what people think of me. I'm
Speaker 1: not looking to get back in the NFL. So saying
Speaker 1: things that may be deemed a controversial or god, you're
Speaker 1: taking a hard stance on a g I don't care.
Speaker 1: And if anything, like every day that goes by, I
Speaker 1: care less. So that that also helps, you know, and
Speaker 1: because you realize it doesn't really matter, you know, just
Speaker 1: tell what you believe and don't worry about ruffle and
Speaker 1: feathers because I'm not, you know, necessarily looking to work
Speaker 1: with a guy again or trying to get back into
Speaker 1: the business. And I think that's hard for some people.
Speaker 1: You kind of sit on the fence if you know,
Speaker 1: you're afraid to kind of make someone mad or you
Speaker 1: know you might be doing business with them in the future.
Speaker 1: Like I, I just I just let a rip. I
Speaker 1: think that you just touch on something really important. And
Speaker 1: I think that happens all the time. And I can
Speaker 1: hear that when I hear an announcer pull away from
Speaker 1: a player or a celebrity or or a topic knowing
Speaker 1: that you know what, they just don't want to ruin
Speaker 1: that rich and guess. You know, you have to do
Speaker 1: that from time to time. You know, everybody has to.
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about working in the NFL and
Speaker 1: working for the Eagles, So I want to I want
Speaker 1: to get this picture of so go to college business?
Speaker 1: Now do you go back and you know, I know
Speaker 1: you have your masters in sports administration? Corrects? Yeah, did
Speaker 1: you go back and get that before working with the
Speaker 1: Eagles or was that? How did what was the transition
Speaker 1: from that? When did you like make that transition from
Speaker 1: business into sports and being a scout? Yeah? From cal Poly.
Speaker 1: Actually went to work at Fresno State, uh, and I
Speaker 1: worked for the football program and for a lot of coaches.
Speaker 1: The way that coaches get started in the business, they
Speaker 1: usually start in college football and it's it's a position
Speaker 1: called a graduate assistant ship and you have one on
Speaker 1: offense and one on defense. And now with the explosion
Speaker 1: to college football, a lot of a lot of programs
Speaker 1: now have it in recruiting, and basically what it is
Speaker 1: is it pays you like a player, They just gives
Speaker 1: you a full scholarship, So it pays you to go
Speaker 1: to school. You know, you get a scholarship chip every
Speaker 1: week to basically pay for your rent and food and
Speaker 1: you know it's not much money, but and you work
Speaker 1: on the coaching staff. So I got to do that
Speaker 1: for two years. They paid for me to get my masters,
Speaker 1: uh my Sports Administration Masters at Frisden State was like
Speaker 1: a new program starting, so it kind of worked perfectly.
Speaker 1: But I really I didn't go there for school. I
Speaker 1: mean I went there to get a PhD in football,
Speaker 1: and that just kind of happened, and then we had
Speaker 1: a bunch of pro prospects. So over the couple of years,
Speaker 1: I was there every scout that came through, every general
Speaker 1: manager that came through. I and the guy was technically
Speaker 1: working for the recruiting coordinator were in charge of setting
Speaker 1: those guys up, giving them information. So it was just
Speaker 1: it just kind of worked out perfectly. You were just
Speaker 1: constantly with these individuals getting to know them, establishing relationships,
Speaker 1: and from their end, they need you because their job
Speaker 1: as a scout is basically like a detective, just trying
Speaker 1: to accumulate information on these players. And you know, I
Speaker 1: was an open book as most You know, young people
Speaker 1: are great resources for scouts because they'll tell you anything
Speaker 1: because they're trying to you know, they'll tell you the
Speaker 1: truth that they're not they're not covering it up for
Speaker 1: any agenda. They're just telling you. And they're usually pretty
Speaker 1: close with the players because you know, I was four
Speaker 1: years old, a lot of players were a year or
Speaker 1: two under me. You're around him a lot. You just
Speaker 1: you just have a pretty good idea of stuff that
Speaker 1: they're asking for. So it just kind of worked out perfectly.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, you just you go
Speaker 1: to school a small percentage of the time and you
Speaker 1: just try to pass your classes and move on. So
Speaker 1: you get the gig working for the Eagles as a scout.
Speaker 1: That's gotta be thrilling. Um. But what what what was
Speaker 1: like the first like the thing that hit you that
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, this job is is really cool, but
Speaker 1: this is really hard too. Yeah, I remember once training
Speaker 1: camp started, just the pace of everything, and training camp
Speaker 1: in college football is hard too, but you're not getting
Speaker 1: rid of players. And when you first get a job
Speaker 1: in the NFL, usually the position the lowest guy in
Speaker 1: the total poll has is you're constantly taking people to
Speaker 1: airports because you're cutting players, players are getting hurt, and
Speaker 1: you're signing players. And in training camp it is just constant,
Speaker 1: the turnover with the roster, the last ten guys. At
Speaker 1: the time, it was eighty training camp roster was eighty.
Speaker 1: It's not ninety. So you just every day might be
Speaker 1: a new player. And the pace and the urgency of
Speaker 1: everything and the pressure, you know, and what's being asked
Speaker 1: of you. You know, you're not making you're making grand
Speaker 1: yet they are depending on you to print out lists
Speaker 1: for free agents, to have things ready at the general
Speaker 1: manager and the head coach whenever they may need it.
Speaker 1: It was just intense and just basic things like you
Speaker 1: don't want to screw up, you know, uh, getting a guy,
Speaker 1: you know, five minutes late from bringing him back to
Speaker 1: the airport just because he may have a ten minute
Speaker 1: window of getting a physical and then being a practice.
Speaker 1: So it was just it just comes at you full speed.
Speaker 1: You can't really be ready for it. You just you
Speaker 1: just kind of hit the ground running and you know,
Speaker 1: try to do your best. So, uh, what's uh can
Speaker 1: you even share, like what what was the what's the
Speaker 1: biggest meltdown that you you witnessed? You know, what to say?
Speaker 1: The player name? As far as someone getting cut, you know,
Speaker 1: I think most players I never had any issues and
Speaker 1: I was a guy being the turk kind of picking
Speaker 1: up their playbook. Most guys, you know, the guys if
Speaker 1: you're a veteran player, you go see the head coach.
Speaker 1: Like if you're a guy that's been there a certain
Speaker 1: amount of years and you've earned the respect, you you
Speaker 1: deal directly with the head coach. But the majority of
Speaker 1: guys that are getting cut are like undrafted free agents
Speaker 1: and second year practice squad guys that they know going in.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not your typical job environment where you
Speaker 1: sign a contract or you get hired. You know, for
Speaker 1: the most part, you have a certain amount of time
Speaker 1: to prove your words. You're gonna be there for a while.
Speaker 1: In football, like the urgency level of making the team
Speaker 1: for a large percentage of the players is high, so
Speaker 1: they know that that given day, a lot of it
Speaker 1: it may be disappointment, but it's not that they're not
Speaker 1: freaking out thinking they got screwed, because they kind of
Speaker 1: know the deal when they get into it. Now you
Speaker 1: see tears and you kind of see maybe just the
Speaker 1: shock of getting uh, you know, cut, but usually it's
Speaker 1: just pretty quiet. You know. I've driven a lot of
Speaker 1: guys who have been cut to the airport. But I
Speaker 1: never in my experience ever had like anger or anything
Speaker 1: like that. It's more just the first couple of dimes
Speaker 1: you do it, it's pretty surreal. And then, like anything
Speaker 1: in life, as by my second year doing stuff like that,
Speaker 1: you just I don't want to say cold blooded, but
Speaker 1: you just don't give a ship. You're like, let's get
Speaker 1: in the Carlo's go. Come on, man, Hey I got
Speaker 1: other stuff to do. Just it's it's a business, you know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's the way you look at it. I know.
Speaker 1: When um, you know, people find out what I do,
Speaker 1: they immediately want me to listen to their podcasts. They
Speaker 1: want me to give them advice, they want me this this,
Speaker 1: and this and and you know, and at a certain point,
Speaker 1: when you do something for a living, you have to go,
Speaker 1: I can't do that. Um, how about when people find
Speaker 1: out you're an NFL scout. How many people come out
Speaker 1: of the woodwork who want you to check out a
Speaker 1: player or hey I got this cousin things like that.
Speaker 1: It used to happen a lot, you know. And and
Speaker 1: at first, you, like you said, whenever you first start
Speaker 1: doing something, you're like, oh, yeah, I'll check it out.
Speaker 1: Then by you know, six months in, you just stop
Speaker 1: even returning emails, let alone looking into it because you
Speaker 1: realize the margin for guys making it at this level
Speaker 1: is just slim. The nun and the most of these
Speaker 1: guys giving you flyers. I always personally hated even wasting
Speaker 1: too much time on like seventh and undrafted free agents,
Speaker 1: like you should focus on the top end guys, because
Speaker 1: that's ultimately how you win. And you know, in in
Speaker 1: in fairness, every every dad that has a son playing
Speaker 1: college football thinks this kid has a chance, and you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta tell him, no, man, you don't. You
Speaker 1: ain't playing in the NFL. Start start your start your career,
Speaker 1: you know, start do whatever you're doing, get your internship,
Speaker 1: get get it rolling, because that this, you know, I
Speaker 1: think the stat is like one point five percent of
Speaker 1: college football players making the NFL. And you have to
Speaker 1: be so damn good to play Division one college football.
Speaker 1: And obviously some Division two guys make it, but the
Speaker 1: majority of guys in the NFL are Division one college
Speaker 1: football players, and the percentage of them that make it
Speaker 1: from their sport, you know, from college football, is just
Speaker 1: so slim. It's just it's the highest level you know,
Speaker 1: of the profession, and really of basically any profession, because
Speaker 1: it's not many you know, sales jobs or even what
Speaker 1: we're doing, what most people do. A guy can get
Speaker 1: an entry level job and break in in football as
Speaker 1: a player. It's basically impossible. Yeah, I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: I go through this a lot. I teach at at
Speaker 1: university and uh it's here in the San Francisco and
Speaker 1: you know, it's a you know, Division two school and
Speaker 1: nobody's going pro. But you know, try telling that to
Speaker 1: the athletes who are screwing off in class, you know,
Speaker 1: because they all think they're gonna especially baseball, because they
Speaker 1: they've heard they've had two friends who maybe got a
Speaker 1: triple I mean a single, a contract for a year,
Speaker 1: and then you know, now they're out of work, but
Speaker 1: still don't get it like that. You then have to
Speaker 1: get a real job after that, Yeah, I mean, real
Speaker 1: life comes at your fast. And I think a lot
Speaker 1: of guys you're just naturally kind of immature, you know,
Speaker 1: in your early twenties. But it's gonna hit you. It's
Speaker 1: gonna hit you hard, and then you just you have
Speaker 1: to adapt. And that's you know what I love about
Speaker 1: football is a lot of guys are just because of
Speaker 1: the nature of the sport. How hard your coach still
Speaker 1: even if you do, quote unquote not make it to
Speaker 1: the pros. I don't. I wouldn't even consider that just
Speaker 1: because some guys make it. Most guys never even had
Speaker 1: the opportunity to make it. They are kind of equipped
Speaker 1: just with the nature of the sport. How demanding it is.
Speaker 1: How you know, it's it's the of the three major sports.
Speaker 1: It makes you use your brain the most because you're
Speaker 1: learning plays a lot of It isn't meeting rooms in
Speaker 1: the classroom. It's it is a very cerebral sport, like
Speaker 1: in baseball. It's just kind of ceball hit ball, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not it doesn't take a genius to
Speaker 1: do it. But to play, you know, to play like
Speaker 1: in the New England Patriot offense. Not just the quarterback,
Speaker 1: but if you want to play receiver for Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: you have to be really smart. If you're not, you
Speaker 1: will not get on the field. You know, I do.
Speaker 1: I went to West Virginia University and I do a
Speaker 1: podcast with Pat White and Steve Slayton every week. Oh
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good one. Yeah, you should say it's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm they're really two really good friends of mine now
Speaker 1: and um and and and I always you know, and
Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of especially former w athletes
Speaker 1: about getting into podcasting and that, and and I'm just
Speaker 1: always kind of wonder why, you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: this is, you know, so many, so many students and
Speaker 1: athletes tell me they want to be broadcasters, but they
Speaker 1: don't do shit about it. They don't do anything about it,
Speaker 1: and that, you know, and you ask them who their
Speaker 1: favorite announcer is, and they don't have an answer. It's
Speaker 1: just they just want to go do it, but they
Speaker 1: don't want to put the work into it. And and
Speaker 1: the thing with Stevens and Pat was, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, let's start a podcast and that
Speaker 1: way you can work out some stuff. Uh. Do you
Speaker 1: see a place where maybe we might hear more ex
Speaker 1: athletes getting into the podcasting world instead of radio. I
Speaker 1: could see it the one thing the radio medium for
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys and their local markets. Like
Speaker 1: let's say use Pat Wise as example, if you had
Speaker 1: the opportunity to a radio gig in Morganstown, you know,
Speaker 1: probably it's consistent money. Uh, and the money is just
Speaker 1: kind of set, where in podcasts usually have to hustle
Speaker 1: a little more than go get your advertising. It is
Speaker 1: a little easier if you can get it now. I
Speaker 1: also think just because you are a former athlete doesn't
Speaker 1: mean necessarily going to be any good. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, how many podcasts are terrible? Most of them? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why everyone's starting a podcast. Well does that even mean?
Speaker 1: You know, most of them are terrible. But to me,
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer as the cream always rises. So
Speaker 1: there are certain athletes that are really good broadcasts for
Speaker 1: a reason. They probably work hard at it. They have
Speaker 1: a natural personality there, you know, well spoken, they are outspoken. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're not afraid to kind of ruffle some feathers. And
Speaker 1: those guys will always be good. Just like in podcasts,
Speaker 1: you see the cream kind of rise, the other ones
Speaker 1: don't really get noticed now. Also, I'm sure there are
Speaker 1: also a lot of good podcasts that haven't been noticed yet.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just but ultimately they will be Uh.
Speaker 1: It's just it's the nature of how things work in
Speaker 1: this country. By the way, speaking of cream rising to
Speaker 1: the top, your thoughts on West Virginia went into Big
Speaker 1: twelve this year. Uh in football this upcoming year. I mean,
Speaker 1: is your coach gonna last through the season? Come on,
Speaker 1: well we're back, Come on, it's gonna be great that Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: You know, they're losing one of the best players they've
Speaker 1: ever had in bigger field. Now they are clearly are
Speaker 1: stacked every year, but that's a pretty big transition for them,
Speaker 1: So you'd have to think it's it's somewhat open. Uh.
Speaker 1: Texas Tech has been kind of average. Texas feels still
Speaker 1: like two years away from being a year away, even
Speaker 1: though they're on their third coach since Mack Brown. Uh,
Speaker 1: there is a lot of pressure on West Virginia, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know better than me. It feels like
Speaker 1: Dana kind of held on a little bit this year. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, have they has he left a little to
Speaker 1: be desired? You know, it's it is kind of a
Speaker 1: tough place to win, just relative to their conference now.
Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, they could win nine ten games,
Speaker 1: thank you. That's all I wanted to hear. The other
Speaker 1: thing is they would you would you say West Virginia
Speaker 1: as a football school or basketball school? I mean, we
Speaker 1: are football school. We've always been a football school, but
Speaker 1: I mean that's not true anymore. I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: from the time that be Line was there until now.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been a consistent top twenty five basketball program,
Speaker 1: sweet sixteen three out of the last four years. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's not uh. I mean, yeah, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that I think we are probably a bigger
Speaker 1: basketball school at this point, but we'll always feel like
Speaker 1: a football school. And I think if I was a
Speaker 1: West Virginia fan, my issue would be and obviously Huggies
Speaker 1: big time, but it's like our basketball team. As an
Speaker 1: outside observer, I watched Huggies team play, It's like these
Speaker 1: guys are just badass. They throw haymakers, they're tough, and
Speaker 1: then I watched the football team play. It's like they're
Speaker 1: kind of soft. So it's how's that now? Granted, Huggins,
Speaker 1: if you had to pick all the Division one uh
Speaker 1: college basketball coaches, who would be your number one choice
Speaker 1: to just transition to become a football coach, he would
Speaker 1: easily be the number one guy, because I mean he
Speaker 1: dresses literally like a football coach, and his teams, you know,
Speaker 1: full court press. But it's just it's it's hard when
Speaker 1: you're at a football school and then the basketball coach
Speaker 1: now isn't didn't hugging Huggins go to school there? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's uh, he's actually it's a little it's a little unique,
Speaker 1: but I mean the basketball coach clearly is overshadowing the
Speaker 1: football coach, and that usually leads to a guy getting fired. Well,
Speaker 1: he and he's just not been. And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: know where a lot of this started with Dana Why
Speaker 1: people don't love him from his how he dresses. He
Speaker 1: wouldn't wear the blue and gold, he won't always insist
Speaker 1: on wearing black. And I know that sounds like a
Speaker 1: little thing on game day, On game day and when
Speaker 1: and when that, when that first came, you know that happened,
Speaker 1: a lot of West Virginia fans had an issue with
Speaker 1: it and his attitude towards it was too bad instead
Speaker 1: of maybe okay, things like that. It doesn't matter. It
Speaker 1: does matter in the in the pros. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: ship as long as you get it done. No one,
Speaker 1: no one even really thinks like that in college because
Speaker 1: the alumni has been so closely associated and they go
Speaker 1: to all these dinners. When you do arrogant stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and then you don't quite get it done. It flips
Speaker 1: on you fast. It is it is, and I think
Speaker 1: that was. I mean, and there's a lot of us
Speaker 1: that you've got this, like you said, alumni coaching your
Speaker 1: your basketball team. That feels like God, that's one of
Speaker 1: ours doing exactly And I mean and Huggins is he
Speaker 1: can do no wrong in Morgantown and Hogerson can't. And
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he did you say he has
Speaker 1: a lifetime contract, Bob Hoggins, Oh, he absolutely does. But
Speaker 1: the way he is, I don't see him. I see
Speaker 1: him having another massive heart attack within the next five years.
Speaker 1: And it's not a joke. That's at something real concern that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I and a lot of other folks that are close
Speaker 1: to you know, West Virginia sports worry about how do
Speaker 1: you think he weighs? Oh, he's got to be over
Speaker 1: three bills and because he's he's tall, right, he's like
Speaker 1: six he's tall, and uh yeah, and just has he's
Speaker 1: had two major heart attacks and has zero concern for
Speaker 1: what he puts into his body. Zero And clearly he's
Speaker 1: a grinder, right, I mean, he's in his office breaking
Speaker 1: down film, eating cheeseburgers and whatever. Doesn't even worry about it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into the weeds on West
Speaker 1: Virginia Sports, but on our podcast this week we talked
Speaker 1: about why hasn't he won a national championship? And my
Speaker 1: thing is that, Um, you know, I work with a
Speaker 1: lot of millennials. This is what I do to teach.
Speaker 1: You know, all my staff are millennials, and that hard
Speaker 1: knock approach works to a certain extent, but you still
Speaker 1: have to have a little bit of give with these
Speaker 1: kids because that's just unfortunately there they that's their generation,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't do that, and it's just his his
Speaker 1: insistence on if somebody does one thing wrong, pulls him
Speaker 1: off the court and yells at him and you see
Speaker 1: him break down at the end of the game. I
Speaker 1: would love you to push back on that, because I'm
Speaker 1: a millennial. To now the older I'm thirty three, so
Speaker 1: I'm right at the beginning of the millennials. You're barely
Speaker 1: a millennial. I do think at the core, most humans,
Speaker 1: especially the highest level competitive humans, whether you're working in finance,
Speaker 1: whether you're playing on a high level basketball team, whether
Speaker 1: you're trying to have the number one podcast when you
Speaker 1: work with or technically four Like, if he's your coach
Speaker 1: or your boss, a high level guy that you really respect,
Speaker 1: you can push them to the limits. So to me,
Speaker 1: Bob Huggins like even though these kids are one and
Speaker 1: their millennials playing on their phone, deep down to their core,
Speaker 1: like any competitor worth their salt kind of likes being
Speaker 1: motherfucked and pushed a little bit. You know. I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily think, because that gets thrown around a lot with
Speaker 1: with millennials that they can't handle it. I disagree, and
Speaker 1: I think just humans, the highest level competitive humans don't
Speaker 1: really mind. I know it's and I don't disagree with you, John,
Speaker 1: I absolutely believe and I think I get the most
Speaker 1: out of my people because I do push them and
Speaker 1: I'm the first voice of reason to say, hey, you're
Speaker 1: not as good as you think you are. But I
Speaker 1: do think at the end of the day, I need
Speaker 1: to give them a little pat on the us once
Speaker 1: in a while and say a good job, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's and that's there's nothing wrong with that,
Speaker 1: not just going to college basketball tangent here. But I
Speaker 1: think when you look at like coach Calipari or or
Speaker 1: coach k Like, those guys are hard asses too, you know,
Speaker 1: Bill self. I mean those guys are screaming at people,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of times athletes. And this
Speaker 1: is where Twitter always freaks out when a dude gets
Speaker 1: berated on the side, Like God, they're used to it,
Speaker 1: you know, They're just it's not it's not a normal
Speaker 1: work environment, like you couldn't. You wouldn't bate a student
Speaker 1: in a class like a coach would braid a guy
Speaker 1: on a court or on on the field. You've never
Speaker 1: been in my classes. Well, I gotta come check it out.
Speaker 1: I gotta get an in fine. What do you mean
Speaker 1: you didn't finish your podcast on Tuesday, Bush Lee exactly. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: but here, but you understand it's my hot take. You know,
Speaker 1: I gotta have something to end basketball season, to get
Speaker 1: the get the get the people talking. So that was
Speaker 1: my hot take. Another person on the show's hot take
Speaker 1: is that he drinks too much, and and that's that
Speaker 1: was another one that we we bannered about. But I
Speaker 1: haven't gotten the feedback on that yet. I don't think
Speaker 1: that we're gonna get a lot of happiness from the
Speaker 1: university with that. Mentioned, but hey, how how do you
Speaker 1: drinks too much? Yeah? I mean it's sure it doesn't
Speaker 1: look like he's you know, drinking G two's. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave it at that. Hey. One thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you about is, you know, you
Speaker 1: know the NFL. What do people get wrong about the NFL?
Speaker 1: And do you feel that the NFL is is is
Speaker 1: going towards the less popular side or is it still
Speaker 1: as popular as ever. I don't know if it's quote
Speaker 1: unquote as popular as ever, maybe as it was like
Speaker 1: two or three years ago, but I think relative to
Speaker 1: the other sports, uh, it's so much more popular than
Speaker 1: the other two sports. I mean, the Lebron game on
Speaker 1: like Friday will get a little over a million people
Speaker 1: watching it. Those Thursday night football games that Twitter will
Speaker 1: tell you are terrible get like thirteen million people watching it.
Speaker 1: This second biggest sport in America is Tiger woods. It's
Speaker 1: not basketball or baseball. The NFL, and really college football
Speaker 1: to football just in general, is on a pedestal by itself.
Speaker 1: So even when it has a rough year like it
Speaker 1: has this last year in ratings wise, and I personally
Speaker 1: think there's more to it. I mean, people are streaming.
Speaker 1: The game's changed a little bit, but it's so far
Speaker 1: ahead just in terms of the viewership and interest when
Speaker 1: you factor in gambling, when you factor in fantasy football.
Speaker 1: There's also an element of urgency with the sport. Like
Speaker 1: baseball opening days tomorrow, Well, there's a hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: two games, So I can't even pretend that the game,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever the date will be, March nine begins
Speaker 1: to matter that there's six more months of games. We're
Speaker 1: in football, and you see this in college football. Definitely,
Speaker 1: every game means so much in a society where you know,
Speaker 1: urgency is such a big deal, it's always going to
Speaker 1: have that just the way the sport is set up.
Speaker 1: And you see it in basketball, like the regular season
Speaker 1: means nothing. Definitely in college basketball, right just like get
Speaker 1: to the tournament and see what happens. That there's an
Speaker 1: urgency level that fans that the sport brings, the fans
Speaker 1: that to me will never go away. And now they
Speaker 1: have to adapt with streaming and engaging all that bs.
Speaker 1: But to me, the popularity of the sport, even with
Speaker 1: some of the issues they're dealing with with concussions and
Speaker 1: the violence, which I also think the little bs. I
Speaker 1: think humans yearn for violence. It's why we It's why
Speaker 1: I didn't even hesitate to spend when Floyd fought you know, Connor,
Speaker 1: even though that fight was pretty bad. But you know,
Speaker 1: the big hits. People love it. You know, people love it.
Speaker 1: They love car crashes, that love fights. I mean, that's why.
Speaker 1: It's why when you're in high school and someone's getting
Speaker 1: to fight, every kid runs and circles them. You know,
Speaker 1: It's just it's a natural human reaction. That's why world
Speaker 1: starts are popular. Exactly. Hey, I didn't even get a
Speaker 1: chance to talk about you and Haybrman because I I
Speaker 1: love the concept of of two friends doing a radio
Speaker 1: show and I thought it was very unique. Um. So
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that maybe you guys can swing by sometime
Speaker 1: in San Francisco and get in the studio when we
Speaker 1: can talk about that podcast. But but real quickly, just
Speaker 1: just kind of touch on that how that happened. Um
Speaker 1: And for folks that don't know about about the radio
Speaker 1: show that you know that you did here in San Francisco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean guy was an up and coming star, I
Speaker 1: mean still is doing stuff at packed ALF Network now
Speaker 1: and uh, he was working in radio. I had just
Speaker 1: got fired from the NFL, and you know kind of
Speaker 1: I was looking to kind of get into the media
Speaker 1: and I came in and just did a couple of
Speaker 1: hits on his station. Uh. And the program director at
Speaker 1: the time heard my stuff, liked it, kind of wanted
Speaker 1: me to get more involved and do more stuff. And
Speaker 1: you know, one thing led to another, and then probably
Speaker 1: six months later, he had the idea, why don't you
Speaker 1: two guys do a show. Uh, And then we started
Speaker 1: doing a show and we did that for about three
Speaker 1: and a half years, and you know, it was it
Speaker 1: was a blast. It was it was fun. You know,
Speaker 1: it was fun to listen to as well. I really uh,
Speaker 1: I was. I was a listener. Uh, daily listeners. Thank
Speaker 1: you for Thank you for making my life a little
Speaker 1: better for those for those you know, and and you know,
Speaker 1: in the business, one management changes and just you know,
Speaker 1: you're working for people that you just you're like, what
Speaker 1: am I doing? It's just I mean, my dog could
Speaker 1: run this station better. Just no, things aren't gonna work out.
Speaker 1: And it was sad because we had we had a
Speaker 1: good thing going. And luckily, you know, it's two eighteen
Speaker 1: and not ninete, so we were able to just keep
Speaker 1: it going and make money in a different in a
Speaker 1: different form. Listen. I like to finish off with the
Speaker 1: three killer questions. Three questions for you, John Metelkoff, the
Speaker 1: first one being if you could listen to any athlete,
Speaker 1: living or dead, do a podcast, who would you want
Speaker 1: to listen to? That's a good one. Uh, living or dead,
Speaker 1: it's a great question, I know, thank you like and
Speaker 1: he'd be fully honest. Oh yeah, absolutely, podcast honest. You
Speaker 1: know Mike's on. It could be. It could even be
Speaker 1: a couple. I mean, Mickey mant would have to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, just give Mickey about a six pack and
Speaker 1: just say let it rip, Mick. I think Mickey'd be
Speaker 1: right up there. And you know, if he was gonna
Speaker 1: truly be honest and tell me all the goods, Pete
Speaker 1: Rose wouldn't be a bad one either, that'd be good. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know it just it feels like to get Montana.
Speaker 1: I've I've heard some fantastic Montana stories. As Randy Cross
Speaker 1: I think once famously said you you never went into
Speaker 1: a bar and didn't look much better standing next to Joe.
Speaker 1: Uh that I don't just Joe's personality. How open would
Speaker 1: he be? But I think some of those baseball players
Speaker 1: and like the fifties and the sixties would be pretty
Speaker 1: damn good. No. I think Michael Jordan would be fantastic.
Speaker 1: But like Michael and Joe, they I don't even think
Speaker 1: they would say anything. There's no amount of money you
Speaker 1: could get to get them to be candid. Mickey Man,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a really good one. What's the dumbest
Speaker 1: thing you've ever done for sports? Uh? You mean in
Speaker 1: terms of this dumbest thing in general? Uh, that's a
Speaker 1: good question. I know, I'm very good, John, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's a good one. You know. I once
Speaker 1: when I was working in Philly, I once filled up
Speaker 1: the general manager's car with gas because he needed yet
Speaker 1: he didn't have time to go to the gas station.
Speaker 1: So you just have to do stupid ship like that.
Speaker 1: But you never had to go get the bat straightener. Uh.
Speaker 1: Do you ever heard that story about the sending the
Speaker 1: bat boy around to get the bat straightener? No? I didn't.
Speaker 1: I'll send it to you. It's a it's on a podcast.
Speaker 1: Very good story. Anyway. How about the last podcast that
Speaker 1: you binge? Uh? That's a good one. I was actually
Speaker 1: this morning before we hopped on listening to uh, Bill
Speaker 1: Simmons and Kevin Durant. He just had Kevin Durant on, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Durant, So I'll probably hit that back up a
Speaker 1: little later today. Yeah, I love that. I like Bill Simmons.
Speaker 1: He usually has a good guests on. Yeah. He I
Speaker 1: like Bill. He he has that kind of interview style
Speaker 1: that I like, which is kind of relaxed and conversational
Speaker 1: and you know, you don't know where it's gonna go.
Speaker 1: He's I'm a big fan of his, have been first
Speaker 1: and like I listen to Bill like Bill is not.
Speaker 1: I don't look at him like a radio host, like
Speaker 1: for me, you're listening to me for my opinion, Like
Speaker 1: you listen to Bill because he's getting guests on, and
Speaker 1: so I whenever he has a big guest on, I
Speaker 1: listen to a show. John Mittelcoff, it's been a real pleasure.
Speaker 1: I enjoy talking to you, and hopefully we'll get you
Speaker 1: in studio and do this again. Definitely, Thanks man, Thanks John,
Speaker 1: that was funzy. That was it was a good interview.
Speaker 1: I always like talking to UH folks that have listened
Speaker 1: to on the radio. It's it's, it's it's I'm still
Speaker 1: like a nerd, right, and I feel like you're also
Speaker 1: such a big sports fan that it was such an
Speaker 1: easy conversation for I do need to apologize for all
Speaker 1: the West Virginia University talk everybody. I should have put
Speaker 1: that at the top of the show, a disclaimer. Anytime
Speaker 1: I talk sports is going to turn into a w
Speaker 1: W conversation. That is just unfortunately, that's what you get
Speaker 1: when you when you listen to to pot cast of mine.
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, that's like half your brain.
Speaker 1: It is half my brain. Yeah. Now I have to
Speaker 1: football season because if you want to follow John on Twitter,
Speaker 1: it's at John Middlecoff. It's m I D D L
Speaker 1: E K A U f F. He does a twitter
Speaker 1: uh little periscope thing every day if you want to
Speaker 1: watch that. And also you can listen to him with
Speaker 1: his former partner or its current partner, but it's former
Speaker 1: radio partner, Guy Haberman, which I think is a funny name,
Speaker 1: Guy HABERMANN. It's fun to say Guy Haberman and John Middlecoff.
Speaker 1: They have Haberman and Middlecoff podcast you can check out too.
Speaker 1: But there are more podcasts out there that we want
Speaker 1: to talk about. I'm actually to see what you picked
Speaker 1: out this week Z for us to check out. All right,
Speaker 1: So my first one is called now What with Arian Foster?
Speaker 1: And Arian Foster is a former NFL running back and
Speaker 1: he is now turn podcaster and it's cool because, um
Speaker 1: it's not just a podcast about sports, but it's also
Speaker 1: about things that he's interested in that he brings in experts.
Speaker 1: So he loves space. So he bought brought in um
Speaker 1: an astronaut onto his show. He was he bought Snoop
Speaker 1: Dogg onto a show because Snoop Dogg has that football league.
Speaker 1: He's a coach now, so it's really interesting. It's cool
Speaker 1: to see him outside of the football realm. Let's check
Speaker 1: it out. You know, Pok was my friend before he
Speaker 1: got on death Row records. I met him at the
Speaker 1: Poetic Justice rap party and when I met him, we
Speaker 1: was like sort of kind of like battle rapping against
Speaker 1: each other the first time we meet. Man, if you
Speaker 1: look at all the old clips, they all all the
Speaker 1: goats went at each other. Man, it was just liked it.
Speaker 1: I've been a big fan of his because he is
Speaker 1: so smart and he has he has a lot of
Speaker 1: cool things to say. And you know, I was talking
Speaker 1: to John about more ex athletes doing podcasting, and I
Speaker 1: think that's an example of somebody who who can do
Speaker 1: it and do it well, especially because it's not just
Speaker 1: about sports. Yeah, and I think that when you do
Speaker 1: a podcast that is um had several different things that
Speaker 1: you talk about, it's you have to have the right host,
Speaker 1: and he is the right host for that. So good choice.
Speaker 1: Thank you, so can one. This is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite wrestlers growing up. It's a Steve Boston show. Everybody
Speaker 1: loves loves Stone Cold Steve Boston. It's I mean, if
Speaker 1: you when I moved to America from Sri Lanka, this
Speaker 1: is one of the first things my brother and I
Speaker 1: were ever introduced to was the w W E on
Speaker 1: a second, that was your introduction to United States culture,
Speaker 1: and we loved it so much, the Cane and Undertaker
Speaker 1: and all of that. I was just like, we were ready.
Speaker 1: Did you walk around saying they're they're catch phrases? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the time. We would wait for the alive like
Speaker 1: episodes or whatever. I didn't think. I honestly didn't figure
Speaker 1: out it was fake until really later on your eyes.
Speaker 1: Tell me that you still don't think it's fake. I
Speaker 1: just don't want to believe it. Wow, what's your favorite
Speaker 1: catchphrase from a wrestler and do it for me for
Speaker 1: I keep wanting to say it was the Booker t one,
Speaker 1: but then I can't remember. I always say rocks one,
Speaker 1: smell what the rock is cooking it? I can't come on,
Speaker 1: do it? Can you smell what you guys? Come on?
Speaker 1: Do it? No? I just like also like Ray Mysterios
Speaker 1: walk up song and then his move in between the ropes.
Speaker 1: I can't believe we're talking. Well, I talked about West
Speaker 1: Virginia University for ten minutes, so let's go. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: a really cool dude. I got to meet him a
Speaker 1: number of years back when he his book came out
Speaker 1: and he actually came to a charity like we had
Speaker 1: him on the show, and then he came and showed
Speaker 1: up at a charity event that that next morning. You know,
Speaker 1: just asking too when he just showed up. Great guy, cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love to meet him, especially like listening to
Speaker 1: his podcast. What surprised me a lot was so the
Speaker 1: description is whatever pops into his brain and they really
Speaker 1: mean it, like it's it's obviously about wrestling, but he's
Speaker 1: so knowledgeable about a lot of other things that he
Speaker 1: just talks and it's unfiltered and he's completely the person
Speaker 1: that you would think he is outside wrestling. Let's check
Speaker 1: it out. The legit boss Sasha has a ring to it.
Speaker 1: How did you come up with that name? Very random? Um?
Speaker 1: I think I was like my first month in f
Speaker 1: c W and Rob Nayl at the time, he said
Speaker 1: we need a list of names, and I gave him
Speaker 1: a list and Sasha was a different last name and
Speaker 1: I don't remember, and Banks is a different first name.
Speaker 1: And then a week lay like your Sasha Banks, And
Speaker 1: I was like, you like a little caveat to that.
Speaker 1: If you're a new podcaster and you don't have a
Speaker 1: large following of people who were already fans of yours,
Speaker 1: this is not a good format. This format is great
Speaker 1: when you're you've already got people stone cold yeah. But
Speaker 1: if you were you know, Jim Smith, who has two
Speaker 1: people following you on Twitter, and you want to do
Speaker 1: a podcast about anything that pops into your head, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna work. Not the game plan you want to
Speaker 1: go in, Not the game plan. A little a little
Speaker 1: free consulting there from Maddie Media. Boom, alright, what else
Speaker 1: you got? So the last one is a shout out
Speaker 1: to Colin Cowherd. So it's his podcast, The Herd, and
Speaker 1: it's about sports, different sports, not just one sport. And
Speaker 1: it's a different take. It's not just factual, it's his opinion.
Speaker 1: He also has like that old sportscaster voice that I
Speaker 1: really like. You know what I'm talking about? Like, I
Speaker 1: do know what you're talking about it? Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: it a lot. Let's check it out. Offensive guys are
Speaker 1: about skill and choreography and unity, playing together. They huddle up,
Speaker 1: they call a play on three, they audible together, choreographed.
Speaker 1: One guy doesn't get it, penalty blows it up. Defensive
Speaker 1: guys are about blowing stuff up. They're aggressive, they're intimidating.
Speaker 1: You know what a safety is, it's a wide receiver
Speaker 1: that can't catch. You know what a linebacker is a
Speaker 1: running back with no moves or speed. I want my
Speaker 1: offensive guys to be choreographed and unified, great listeners, you
Speaker 1: know what. I want my defensive guys to be little
Speaker 1: lack o And I'm totally okay with it. You have
Speaker 1: voices like that always like scared me because I never
Speaker 1: had a voice like that, and and and it's it
Speaker 1: is you don't hear it all the time. Yeah, Collin Collins, Uh,
Speaker 1: he's he's a legend in the business. So it's cool
Speaker 1: that he's part of We get to have some of
Speaker 1: the folks on from his new podcast network, including John Mettalcoff,
Speaker 1: who was a great guest today. So I want to
Speaker 1: thank John Meddalcoff from coming on this show today and
Speaker 1: again follow him on Twitter at John Middlecoff. You can
Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter, Instagram, uh, and Facebook and see
Speaker 1: lots of pictures of me at West Virginia University of
Speaker 1: Basketball games and actually me with the some of the
Speaker 1: players from the Sweet Sixteen at Maddie Stout m A
Speaker 1: T T Y S T A U d T. Other
Speaker 1: than that, lots of pictures of my dogs. Um. I
Speaker 1: also want to do a shout out to the podcast
Speaker 1: The Cooler on k q e D. It's an MPR podcast.
Speaker 1: They actually took our show from a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: that we did with them and put it on their
Speaker 1: podcast feed, So great little sharing going on there. Uh.
Speaker 1: Those I love those guys are like my new favorite
Speaker 1: friends online. I talked to them all the time, so
Speaker 1: uh go go check them out again if you haven't
Speaker 1: done that already. Um and also again if you like
Speaker 1: John Medalkoff, checkout habramnt and medalcoffe is other podcast Z.
Speaker 1: You're a fantastic producer. Thank you appreciate it. I want
Speaker 1: to also announce that we're gonna be changing the format
Speaker 1: of the show just a bit. We'll be publishing every
Speaker 1: two weeks now instead of every week. Now. That's not
Speaker 1: saying we might not stick one in here and there
Speaker 1: every week, but we want to just try to be
Speaker 1: I'll be completely transparent. I'm slammed and it's hard to
Speaker 1: get one of these done every week because a little
Speaker 1: more work goes into it than you think. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna do it every two weeks. So if you're one
Speaker 1: of our thousands and thousands, of hundreds, maybe tens of fans,
Speaker 1: I hope you understand. Thanks for tuning in. I want
Speaker 1: to thank our engineer's Horse and David and of course
Speaker 1: Casey who does the music. I want to do a
Speaker 1: shout out to Ricardo a R who works here at
Speaker 1: Heart Radio and does lots of all the little promo
Speaker 1: things you see on social media. He does a goodbye
Speaker 1: and a fawn farewell to our engineer Anna. She's going
Speaker 1: back to Drexel University and just revolutionize all the streaming
Speaker 1: stuff that you see on all the high I Heeart
Speaker 1: stations here in San Francisco. She built the unit that
Speaker 1: did that, so really cool stuff. She's she's on the
Speaker 1: bigger and better thing, not the better, but she's on
Speaker 1: the big things. And I want to especially thank Katie
Speaker 1: Wilcox here at I Heeart Radio in San Francisco, Don Parker,
Speaker 1: and the pod father Chris Peterson of I Heeart Radio.
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for listening.