1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, A triple homicide. In all 2 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: my years of prosecuting, I've only had a handful of 3 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: triple homicides to investigate and take to trial. And I 4 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: can tell you why they all go to trial, Because 5 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: who's going to sign up for either the death penalty 6 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: or three consecutive life sentences one after the next. It 7 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: might as well roll the dice and hope they get 8 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: a weak jury. But think about it, a triple homicide. 9 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: A single homicide crime scene is awful enough, devastating, jarring, 10 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: it sticks with you forever. But a triple homicide, especially 11 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: under these circumstances. IMC. Grace, this is Crime Stories, Thank 12 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in 13 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: series XM one eleven. A triple homicide. But what if anything, 14 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: does sex have to deal with it? First of all, 15 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: take a listen to this tonight. We begin with breaking 16 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: news out of Oldmolgi County. The Sheriff's office is investigating 17 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: a triple homicide north of Begs two works for Youse. 18 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: Tatiana Taylor is on the scene with the latest information. Tatiana, 19 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: it's still an active scene right now. I'm here about 20 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: a mile away from the home where three people were 21 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: found dead. Police are still behind me blocking the road 22 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: and right now. Information is still scarce at this time, 23 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: but sheriff deputies tell us it happened around three this 24 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: afternoon in a rural neighborhood north of Begs on Lake 25 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: Ridge Drive. At this time, we don't know the cause 26 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: of deaths or the three victims names. The triple homicide 27 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: is still being investigate it, but we will continue to 28 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: keep you updated online as we received more information about 29 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: what happened today. Hearing just that bit of information is 30 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: setting off all sorts of alarms in my head, red 31 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: flags waving at me like I'm a bull at a stadium. 32 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: The matador would be the killer with me. And I'll 33 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: start panel making sense of what we know right now. 34 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: First of all, high profile lawyer joining us from Jacksonville, 35 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: Dale Carson. He's not just a lawyer, he's a former 36 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: FED with the FBI and he's an author of Arrest 37 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: Proof Yourself. You can find him at Dale Carson Law 38 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Jerry Krossen, Psychologists Faculty, Saint Leo University, 39 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: consultant with the Blue Wall Institute and author of Operation 40 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: s O S. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, 41 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and start 42 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: of a new hit series, Bodybags. That just Scott Morgan 43 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: on iHeart Dale Carson, Am I wrong? Or were all 44 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: three of the victims, who are all adults, they were 45 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: all asleep? Correct? That's right. They were asleep until the 46 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: rounds started going off and then they pushed. Two of 47 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: them tried to hide in clausets in order to protect themselves, 48 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: and one probably couldn't do anything. Guys, take a listen 49 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: to our France akfo R News four. Investigators say two 50 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: mass suspects were seen on security cameras outside the rural home. 51 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: Minutes later, the electricity is cut. Reports say while the 52 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: family slept, suspects kicked in the door and shot them 53 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: to death one by one. Documents say Evelyn Chandler suffered 54 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: mentally and physically before the sixty nine year old was 55 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: shot to death as the suspects quote began firing gunshots, 56 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: striking and killing her husband, Jack Randall Chandler, as she 57 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: attempted to hide from the intruders, seeking refuge in her closet. 58 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: I Corps was also tortured and abused before she was killed. 59 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: Because the forty three year old quote herd intruders entered 60 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: the home she shared with her parents and began firing gunshots, 61 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: striking and killing her parents. The dichotomy of such a 62 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: brutal triple homicide and such a rural area seemingly with 63 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: low crime is very disturbing To leave my page Where 64 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: exactly exactly is Beg's, Oklahoma? So Beg's, Oklahoma is a 65 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: small town in Oklamolte County, Oklahoma, and that is about 66 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: an hour and a half east of Oklahoma City, So 67 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: the nearest big city is an hour and a half away. 68 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: So this is a very small town, very quiet, not 69 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: something where you would see these horrific triple homicides occur regularly. 70 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: Someone coming in in the middle of the night at 71 00:04:53,839 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: three am, when they know everybody is asleep, kicking in 72 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: the door and opening fire. To Levipage Crime online dot 73 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, I have not learned anything about a theft, 74 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: a burglary, a robbery, or a sex crime. Is that correct? 75 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: You're correct, Nancy. The only evidence was that the door 76 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: of the home was kicked in. We know that there 77 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: was a ballcap left at the scene, but there was 78 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: nothing stolen. Shell casings indicated that it was by two 79 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: different weapons, and that's all that investigators had when they 80 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: discovered this horrific murder scene. You're giving me a flashback 81 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: LEVI page. You said a single ball cap was found 82 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: at the same What kind of ball cap? We don't 83 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: know what kind it was. We just know that a 84 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: cap looked like a mail cap was left at the 85 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: scene in the driveway. Cap left at sane in driveway. 86 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: You know Del Carson, high profile lawyer joining us out 87 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: of Jacksonville. It reminds me very much of a case 88 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: that I had to retry. The original case occurred when 89 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: I was in law school. The murderer and the attempted 90 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: murder and rape, and by the time I had graduated 91 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: law school, been a fed for three years, got finally 92 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: with the DA's office and had prosecuted for a year 93 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: or so. I was asked to retry the case. It 94 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: was reversed on appeal and sent back down for a 95 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: retrial by the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. All we 96 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: had was and when I tried to find in the 97 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: evidence room the property that was left behind from the case, 98 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: we had one X ray and one baseball cap that 99 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: said kiss My Bass. That cap later became very, very 100 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: important because a guy had been spotted with a stolen 101 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: ATM card nearby on the video wearing the kiss My 102 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: Bass hat, and then the hat was found at the 103 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: scene just like this. So Del Carson, a baseball cap 104 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: may seem unimportant or innocuous, but in cases like these, 105 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: you gotta triple homicide. You don't have a rape, You're 106 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: not gonna get DNA. Nothing was stolen, so it's not 107 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: gonna be hopped, and you'll trace them through a pawn shop. 108 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: That hat could be very important. I mean, how do 109 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: I know it's not going to be on a McDonald's 110 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: drive through video thirty minutes before one of the twenty 111 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: four hour ones if there's one in the area. I mean, 112 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,559 Speaker 1: who knows what you can learn from that hat? Well? 113 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: And more than that, today we get DNA from the 114 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: sweat band of the hat. And here is another critical point. 115 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: Someone tried to remove the rounds that were fired to 116 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: kill these people, put them in a hat and the 117 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: like many criminals left it at the scene when they're 118 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: in a rushed apart. So that's all part of this. 119 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: Why would they try to hide the kind of rounds 120 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: that were used by taking the cations with them. Why 121 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: did that happen? And you know, Joe Scott Morgan enter 122 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: the scene, Joe Scott, because that is what you and 123 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: I love to dissect, is staging. Why would someone gather 124 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: up the shell case? Yeah, and that is because they 125 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: are specific identifiers. And let me tell you what calibers were, Nancy. 126 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: We've got what is called a five point five six 127 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: millimeter round which is fired generally from what's referred to 128 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: as an M four platform, which is kind of a 129 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: military weapon that our troops use, high velocity round. And 130 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: then you've got nine millimeter rounds, which are most commonly 131 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: fired from a handgun, generally semi automatic. So you've got 132 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: these rounds that are being ejected all over the place, 133 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: and you know the perpetrators would have, first off, they 134 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: came prepared. Are a perpetrator, you know, when you've got 135 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: two weapons, you want to make sure that you're getting 136 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: the job done. Rolled off your tongue. Well that's the 137 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: way we you know, unfortunately, as investigators, we kind of 138 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: have to inhabit the brains of these people. Many times, yes, 139 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: I try not to. And when you know, to Dale's point, 140 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: not just DNA, but you know, these shell casings their 141 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: brass nancy and so that means that means that they 142 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: are a non porous surface. And what can happen is 143 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: as these individuals, assuming they're not wearing gloves or picking 144 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: up these rounds and spent casings and placing them in 145 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: a ballcap for instance, they are actually leaving latent prints 146 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: behind on the sides of these casings. So if you 147 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: can recover DNA and you can recover recover a latent print, 148 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: sometimes that can that can be a winning shot a 149 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: grand sleep, either one. Either one of those would work 150 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: for me. Now, explained Joe Scott, how you are stating 151 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: that fingerprints. I hate to put too much information out 152 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: there because now perps you're going to be wiping off 153 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: the shelf as they load them or do it with gloves. 154 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: But explain how prints can be found on ammo? Yeah, 155 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: on Ammo particularly, it's it's done. And let me tell you, 156 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: you know, you see you see these images on the 157 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: news and TV shows and whatnot where they're dusting for 158 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: prints on surfaces. That's not how this works, not with 159 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: rounds like this. What's going to happen is that these 160 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: rounds will be carefully packaged and taken back. Whoa wait 161 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: a minute, m carefully packaged explained? Don't leave anything out? 162 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: They mean carefully packaged. How do they do it? When 163 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: you're trying to pick up a gunsh a casing or shell, 164 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: you don't want to mess up the fingerprint that could 165 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: be on a partial. No, you don't, and you have 166 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: to be very very careful. The upside, the upside with 167 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: a if you're trying to recover a spent casing, is 168 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: that it actually has a hole where the projectile has 169 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: actually come out of. You can pick it up interiorly, 170 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, you can take like a pencil, or you 171 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: can take, for instance, imagine a toilet paper roll. Yeah, 172 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: that's a good point. Yeah, you reach into the spin 173 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: cartridge like that and pick it up and you never 174 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: have to touch the exterior of the spint casing at all. 175 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: So you package it and then once it's sealed up, 176 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: maintaining that chain of evidence, as you know, you take 177 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: it to the lab and then you process it at 178 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: that moment time. Now you can go down two different 179 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: roads with this. You can either dust it or uh 180 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, famously, we can uh use superglue fuming where 181 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: we put it into a case, heat up superglue, and 182 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: as that superglue that has essentially clouded up in this 183 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: environment begins to settle back down because of gravity, it 184 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: will actually fall on to the surface of this brass area. 185 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: And remember, fingerprints are generated from what's called fatty lipid 186 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: acids on the surface of this brass. And that that 187 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: that systomized uh fingerprint, that hisstomized superglue will actually fuse 188 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: fuse to the exterior of that brass and it will 189 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: stay there forever and ever. Amen, you're not going to 190 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: get rid of it. And you can actually appreciate the 191 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: ridge detail you're saying. And this is the math that 192 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: when it comes to ammunition, which is so small, and 193 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: you've got a chance of getting a partial print, yeah, 194 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: partial which would still work. Yeah, I mean, hey, it's 195 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: better than nothing. You can get a partial print off 196 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: that tiny piece of evidence. Absolutely advise the superglue method, 197 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: which means you put the bullets into a closed container 198 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: with a superglue opened and the chemicals of a superglue 199 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: attached to to my understanding, the human oils from the 200 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: fingers still on the m O. It sticks to it. 201 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: It will never come off. Superglue will never come off. 202 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: And then you take it out with a pair of 203 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: tweezers and you can get that partial print. It's awesome. 204 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: Isn't that incredible? Yes, it is and it will stay 205 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: there forever and ever. Amen. And you know how many 206 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: times have you and I been to evidence rooms that 207 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: are just so funky and nasty and dirty, and you 208 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: lose evidence in those environments with the supergluing, it binds. 209 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: It's a binder that time stories with Nancy Grace, Well, 210 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: we're talking about casings found in this cap other things 211 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: found at the scene of a triple homicide. The victims 212 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: Tiffany Icr. Jack Chandler, and Evelyn Chandler, Tiffany's parents, they're 213 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: all dead. Take a listen to our phras at Kate 214 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: j R. H Deputies were called to a home on 215 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: Lake U Circle Road in Banks after a relative found 216 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: the bodies of Jack Chandler, his wife Kay, and their 217 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: daughter Tiffany I Corps. All three victims had been shot 218 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: multiple times with at least two different caliber of weapons. 219 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: It was those shell casings and DNA found in a 220 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: cap at the scene that helped investigators build their case. 221 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: In further processing of a crime scene, it was discovered 222 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: that the residence was equipped with a digital video surveillance system. 223 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: Investigators say the video showed two people arrived parking the road, 224 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: then walked to the house doctor Jory Crass and psychologists 225 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: faculty Saint Leo University, author consultant, doctor Jory multiple shots 226 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: on each victim, two assailants. No, this was not about rate, 227 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: This was not about robbery. What do you make of 228 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: multiple gunshots on each victim. They don't want to make 229 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: sure they were just dead. They wanted to make sure 230 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: they were dead three or four times over. Yeah, looking 231 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: at the behavior, you know, this is definitely a planned attack, 232 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: so you know, and it's a family, so one of 233 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: them or all of them had some connection to this behavior. 234 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: The interesting thing with those two shots is that the 235 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: main connection to the triple homicide perps. I wouldn't really 236 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: call that behavior, but go ahead, well that's the way psychologically. 237 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,479 Speaker 1: I look at everything as behavior because okay, the manifestation 238 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: of their psychological mindset. Okay, going along with that, we're 239 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: both individuals. The two shooters. They both contributed in each body. Okay, 240 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: so they're both responsible for deaths or attacks. So there 241 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: was a commitment some kind of bond between these two assailants. Two. Oh, 242 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: so a bond between the two assailants the killers add 243 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: a connection to at least one of the three dead people, 244 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: because I mean, just common sense, they're not going to 245 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: go in and shoot one person and then be identified 246 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: by the other two. And we heard it the other 247 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: two could be just collateral damage that have to be eliminated, right, 248 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: And we also heard that one of the victims heard 249 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: the gunshots and tried to go hide in the closet. 250 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: I mean, doctor Jerry Cross. And it's everybody's nightmare that 251 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: you're your family's under attack and you're somebody's hiding in 252 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: the closet and then they open the closet door. It's 253 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: straight out of a horror film. Yes, I would imagine 254 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: the mail would be the first subject to be taken 255 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: out because this was planned. You know, they probably did 256 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: some homework on this, knowing who the assailants or who 257 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: their victims were, so he would be eliminated first and 258 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: then the other two just have to be like you said, 259 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: they're witnesses. They've got to be eliminated. Also, Jill Carson, 260 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: I heard you jumping in. What is it? I care? 261 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: First off, the electricity's off, So these individuals, does your 262 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: mind of me of that electricity cut? Go ahead? You know, 263 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: then there's delight. So you have to have a players 264 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: light if you're going to find those rounds. And if 265 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: we know, when you fire a semi automatic weapon, you 266 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: don't ever know where those expended cartridge cases were gonna go. 267 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: So that means you got a lot of time they 268 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: figured this out. They have, and so they can call 269 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: around looking for those rounds. As they put in that cap, 270 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: it was later discovered because they left it at the scene. 271 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: That's really interesting the way you said that, Del Carson. 272 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: It's making me think about and analyze what really happened. 273 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: Step by step. I imagine they're crawling around looking for 274 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: the spent cartis shell and hey, Joe Scott, let me 275 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: bring you in because the first time I realized the 276 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: significance of the spent shell location, it was the DA 277 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: my boss, mister Slayton, longest serving district attorney in the 278 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: country at that time. I think it was thirty seven 279 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: years loved him deeply, like a grandfather to me. I 280 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: heard him call me over the loudspeaker, come to my office. 281 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, so I ran, and I've told you I 282 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: specifically turned down a really nice office for one right 283 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: by the stairwell, so I didn't want to waste time 284 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: going away on an elevation. I ran down the stairwell 285 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: to get to his office and he handed me a 286 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: file and said, I want you to look into this. 287 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: So he said, turned out a friend of his that 288 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: he had started law practice with many years before daughter 289 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 1: had committed suicide grown daughter. So I went to the 290 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: scene and the medical examiners had taken very they have 291 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: their own investigators had taken very careful measurements from the 292 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: bed to the shell of cartridge and from the wall. 293 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: They were taking very minute measurements. Why to make sure 294 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: it was a suicide. Well, it was not a suicide 295 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: because at the crime lab, when we put the sheets 296 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: up against the light, you could see blood spatter under 297 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: her pillow where she was laying when she reported it. 298 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: And there's that would be impossible because she's laying on 299 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: the pillow. The point is cartridge showcasings can bounce around yeah, 300 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: they can't. Yeah, but they can. They can also give 301 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: you a little bit of an idea where the shooter 302 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: was at the time of the shooting. Yeah, to a 303 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: certain degree, you know, to Dale's point, it's real dynamic 304 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,719 Speaker 1: in this environment. It depends on what kind of surface 305 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: they strike too when they because they can bounce like 306 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: like nuts all over the place. And there's one big 307 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: linkage here. I think that's real important that Dale brought 308 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: up Nancy, and this is striking to me. The electricity 309 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: was cut. Yeah, the fact and the fact that the 310 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: electricity was cut gives me as an investigator and indication 311 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: that whoever felt well, first off, you got to feel 312 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: comfortable with taking out the electricity. But secondly, and most importantly, 313 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: this idea that the electricity is off means that the 314 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: individuals that were involved in this case had a real 315 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: level of comfort in this environment that they would be 316 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: able to walk in to a darkened environment, unless of 317 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: course they've got you know, night vision equipment, which I 318 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: doubt they did, and move around in the darkness. That 319 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: means that you have to know specifically where you're going, 320 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: and in your mind you might even be counting steps. Okay, 321 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: I know where this person's bedroom is. I know where 322 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: this person's bedroom is, and you're creeping down the hallway. Now, 323 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: of course there maybe they've got flashlights. But again it 324 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: goes to comfort in this environment, because if you feel 325 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: real and safe about an environment, what's the first thing 326 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: you do when you walk into a dark area? Yea, guys. 327 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Abbey Broils kfo R four. 328 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: The murder mystery in Oakmulgee County could be coming down 329 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: to a footprint. On this day, we now know investigators 330 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: went back inside Harris's home to get a pair of boots. 331 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: Officers believed they could match a footprint from the murder scene. 332 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: It's been over a month since Jack and Evelyn Chandler, 333 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: along with their daughter Tiffany Ikorps, were found murdered in 334 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: their home near Beggs. Talk about forensics a possible boot print, 335 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: but now either blue a bizarre twist. Take a listen 336 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: to our cut to kfo R attorney David Bedford, the 337 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: former law partner of Kegan Harrows. He told me he 338 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: had concerns about Harrows and one of her clients and 339 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: took us concerns to the bar Association and District Attorney's 340 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: office months ago. David Bedford says investigators from the Ocmulgee 341 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office came to talk to him on Friday 342 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: about the triple homicide near Beggs and this woman, attorney 343 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: Kegan Harrows. Bedford and Harrows previously had a relationship and 344 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: practice law together. Bedford had concerns about Harrows and her 345 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: boyfriend and client, a man with a violent record, and 346 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: reported his concerns to the bar and a DA. Her 347 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: client is charged in a domestic abuse case in Oklahoma County. 348 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: The victim, Tiffany Ikorps Ikorps, and her parents, Jack and 349 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: Evelyn Chandler, were found dead inside the Chandler's home September seventh. 350 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: Bedford says investigators showed him a video of two people 351 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: believed to be involved in the murders. Bedford said he 352 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: couldn't tell who was in the video. Then, he says, 353 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: investigators asked him if they knew where they could find 354 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: Kegan Harrows. Okay, let me understand this, leave page out 355 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: of the blue, out of nowhere. After the triple homicides, 356 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: an attorney, David Bedford contacts authorities, and he is concerned 357 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: about a former law partner, female, Keegan Harrows. He says 358 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: he was concerned that Harrows was in a relationship, a 359 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: sex relationship with a bad guy. Barry tied Us the second. 360 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: Barry tied Us the second had a domestic case with 361 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: previous domestic case for he was going to be prosecuted 362 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: for beating up to Tiffany Ichorps now dead. Did I 363 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: get that right? Yes, Nancy, you're correct. Tiffany Iicorps one 364 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: of the victims. She was shot, her body riddled with bullets. 365 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: Investigators discovered that she met very Titus on the dating 366 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: Aptember ender, and she started a relationship with him, and 367 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: she said a month into the relationship things went haywire. 368 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: She went through hell that he would abuse her, kick her, 369 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: strangle her, and that he would strangle her as a 370 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: way to what he said, test her. Oh, he strangled 371 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: her to quote test her, Yes, to see how tough 372 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: she was. Okay, So I want to get back to 373 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: this lawyer. So she is now in a relationship with 374 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: the strangler. She represented him on those charges. She represented 375 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: very very Titus on those charges. Okay. So concerning that 376 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: her former law partner calls the cops about their sex 377 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: relationship when he hears about the triple homicide. Okay, so 378 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: now that her former boyfriend and law partner calls the cops, 379 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: owner the cops make a visit. Take a listen to 380 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: our friends at KFORE four. The murder mystery in Oakmulgee 381 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: County could be coming down to a footprint. On this day, 382 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: we now know investigators went back inside Harris's home to 383 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: get a pair of boots. Officers believed they could match 384 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: a footprint from the murder scene. It's been over a 385 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: month since Jack and Evelyn Chandler, along with their daughter 386 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: Tiffany Ichorps, were found murdered in their home near Begs. 387 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: Cops then continue their search. They're now focused on the 388 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: relationship this female lawyer has with Korn's previous abuser. Take 389 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at KFO R. As we reported, 390 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: Harry his boyfriend Barry Titus, used to be in a 391 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: relationship with Tiffany Ikorps, and Ikorps had a domestic abuse 392 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: case against Titus in Oklahoma County. His attorney in that case, 393 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: Keegan Harris. A new search warrant shows the two claimed 394 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: to be married. They've been living here in northwest Oklahoma City, 395 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: where investigators took the GPS data from her SUV last week. 396 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: They also seized another cell phone that was not at 397 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: her home the last time they rated it. So let 398 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: me understand, leave I pay. She represented him and the 399 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: previous domestic assault that the victim brought against him. That's 400 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: how they met. You're correct, Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. 401 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: It wouldn't be the first time a lawyer or some 402 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: other person a civilian goes into the penitentiary and falls 403 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: in love with an inmate. Take a listen to our 404 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: cut ten our friends at ABC Today, Joyce Tilling Mitchell 405 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: in stripes, shackles and tears, pleading guilty to helping the 406 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: two murderers escape. She was swept off her feet a 407 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: bit for a period, and then when she realized who 408 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: she was dealing with, everything changed. In newly released statements, 409 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: Mitchell describes a deepening friendship withinmate Richard Matt. Quote. He 410 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: treated me with respect and was nice to me. She 411 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: says he made me feel special. That relationship turning sexual 412 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: inmate Matt grabbed me and kissed me. Mitchell also admits 413 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: sending naked pictures to the other prisoner, David Sweat, telling 414 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: police Matt told her we were all going to be together. 415 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: She got in over her head into something that she 416 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: never should have started, but she did, and she's paying 417 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: the price. Mitchell admits smuggling hacksall blades, chisels, a punch tool, 418 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: and a screwdriver to the prisoners, hiding them inside frozen 419 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: hamburger meat, Matt giving her two pills to drug her 420 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: husband Lyle on the day of the escape. They referred 421 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: to Lyle as the glitch. They talked about her husband 422 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: as the glitch. Now, wait a minute, Jackie, did I 423 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: just hear this? She said he's cheating me with respect? 424 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: Didn't they have sex in the closet? Okay, you know, 425 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: I think I need a shrink. Doctor Jerry Cross and 426 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: helped me out. This is a seamstress with a happy marriage, 427 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: and then she she's a seamstress in the jail. She 428 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: falls for these guys, convicted felons. They're having sex in 429 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: the closet. She's sending nuty picks. Apparently that's what happened, 430 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: and it seems like, you know, there's vulnerability there. Wait, 431 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: swept off her feet. How do you get swept off 432 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: your feet? He certainly didn't wine and dine her. Maybe 433 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: he gave her a cup of Pruno that he made 434 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: under his buck. How can he get swept off your 435 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: feet by convict? Yeah, the most convicts are very smooth talkers. 436 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: They're very manipulative, you know, that's part of their personality, 437 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: their criminal profile personality, that's their tradecraft is to be 438 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: able to talk and manipulate people, and especially you know, 439 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: they recognize victims in the type of victims, and this 440 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 1: woman seemed to have vulnerabilities that were just capitalized, you know, 441 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: by them. Well, she's not the only one that Samestress 442 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: Joyce Mitchell take a listen now out twelve of our 443 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: friends at CBS six Richmond. Now roughly five years later, 444 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: Tapper faces charges for allegedly giving an inmate at the 445 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: Riverside Regional Jail a cell phone and drugs. The Commonwealth 446 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: Attorney in Prince George says it happened in December and 447 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: that the case remains under investigation. While nearly all documents 448 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: related to the case are c and the prosecutor declined 449 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: to name the inmate, Crime in Cider sources tell CBS six. 450 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: Tapper did visit one inmate hundreds of times in jail, 451 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 1: smuggled him drugs, and even had sex with him behind bars. 452 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: Del Carson no offense to all the men on the 453 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: panel today. But my grandmother used to say, men are 454 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: like buses. There'll be a new one in fifteen minutes. 455 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: Don't get crazy. So why do you have to go 456 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: behind bars to have sex with a convict? Well, you know, 457 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: part of this is that when you're a defense attorney, 458 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: you've got to adopt that defendant's position in order to 459 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: effectively argue it in court. And that makes a connection 460 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: between people that wouldn't ordinarily exist. And many lawyers have 461 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: no experience with the real criminal element, and as a result, 462 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: they're not aware of their proclivity for manipulation. Who hey, 463 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: I just want you to hear something before you say 464 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: one more word, Deil Carson. I want you to hear 465 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: about the guy behind bars. This she fell for. This 466 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: is who he really is. Take a listen to ARCA 467 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: at nine. Andrew Roberts is a convicted killer found guilty 468 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: of the deaths of his wife, Louise Lum and eight 469 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: month old daughter Tia at their home Roberts was just 470 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: twenty two at the time he strangled both while high 471 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: on a cocktail of drink and drugs. Roberts sprayed the 472 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: victim's bodies with perfume and aftershave to mask the smell, 473 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: and then left the residence to carry on partying. Authorities 474 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: captured him five days later. He was sentenced to two 475 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: life terms. Thank you Tyl all Right Crime Online for 476 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: that information. So this guy Andrew Roberts who killed his 477 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: wife and eight month old daughter, Tia, then sprayed them 478 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: with aftershave perfume to mask the smell so he could 479 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: go ahead and party, and that's who she fell in 480 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: love with. Well, no offense to women, but sometimes people 481 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: like a bad boy, and that clearly is a bad boy. 482 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: Oh really, So you're blaming the women of course, Yeah, 483 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm blaming them too. But what about all those SAPs 484 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: that are sending Jodi Arius money and love notes and 485 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,959 Speaker 1: want to marry her behind bars? Hey, it's not just women, 486 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: So wake up and smell the coffee tale, Carson. Let 487 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: me just give you one more tiny example, gos, there's 488 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: so many to pick from. Let's go with our cut fourteen. 489 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: Our friends at WPT z Listen. In fall of twenty fifteen, 490 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: Denise Prel was hired by the Department of Corrections and 491 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,479 Speaker 1: Community Supervision or DOCKS. She was a supervisor in the 492 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: tailor shop. Hired around the same time former present seamstress 493 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: Joyce Mitchell was sentenced for her role in the twenty 494 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: fifteen escape. Fast forward to spring twenty sixteen, Prel was 495 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: transferred to Taylor Shop five, where she met an inmate. 496 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: That's where the two tell police their love story started, 497 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: a similar situation to the one that sparked the infamous 498 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: love triangle leading to the twenty fifteen prison break. The 499 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: inmate is quoted in court documents saying the two fell 500 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: in love. They say they started writing letters to each 501 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: other under the alias Gwen Freeman. Gwendolenis Prel's middle name. 502 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: Freeman was in reference to the inmate eventually becoming a Freeman. 503 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: Then it turned to phone calls. The documents say prels 504 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: sending the inmate at least three hundred and fifty dollars. 505 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: The inmates tells police that the two were planning on 506 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: living with each other once he's released from prison. So 507 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: it looks like lightning dust strike twice at the same location, 508 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: another affair with a different inmate, and another woman brought 509 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: into the tailor shot. So you know, I could go 510 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: on and on and on. I've got so many cases 511 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: of women going behind bars for whatever legitimate reason, falling 512 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: in love, having sex with the inmate behind bars, and 513 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: then suddenly they're helping them bust out of jail. Now, 514 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: in this case, however, the case of Tiffany Ichorps and 515 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: both her parents, Jack and Evelyn, it was much more 516 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: than a jailbreak. We now have three dead bodies on 517 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: our hands. I'm giving you a little peek at the 518 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: charming guys these women are meeting behind bars. Let's take 519 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: a look at who this lawyer, Keegan Harris in her thirties, 520 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: her whole life ahead of her, a well known lawyer. 521 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: This is who she falls for behind bars. Take a 522 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 1: listen to our forensic crime online. Tiffany Ikorp meets Barry 523 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: Titus on the dating app Tender. Just a month into 524 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: the relationship, Chorps reports to police. They tit Us kicks her, 525 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: hits her, and strangles her as a way to test her. 526 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: She says tit Us also introduced ichor to meth and heroin. 527 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: Two months later, Titus beats Ichors so severely she's in 528 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: the hospital for days. Her injuries include cracked ribs, a 529 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: lacerated river, lacerated kidney, and bruises on her arms, legs, stomach, 530 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: and neck. Iicorps tells police that when she passes out 531 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 1: during the beatings, Titus wakes her by pouring water on her, 532 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: then strangles her again until she passes out. Police try 533 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: to charge Titus, but Ichorps refuses to cooperate. Three months later, 534 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: it happens again. A witness calls police, saying that Titus 535 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: is beating Korps, but Ichorps refuses to cooperate. Just got Morgan, 536 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: Professor forensics. How do you get a lacerated liver? Oh, 537 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: it rises specifically from blunt force trauma, Nancy, And that 538 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: means that you put a fist in there, you kick, 539 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: you can drive your shoulder into somebody. We see lacerated 540 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: livers many times actually in car accidents. So that gives 541 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: you an idea as to the amount of force that's applied. 542 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 1: You know, many times, Nancy, when you're talking about abuse symptoms, 543 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: they can have a laceration to either the spleen, or deliver, 544 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 1: which are kind of parallel to one another in the cavity, 545 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: but there won't be any kind of external insult. You 546 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: won't see many times you won't see an overlying contusion. 547 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes you will. But you're saying a bruise. You don't 548 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: see a bruise. Well, you know, it's just kind of 549 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: my vernacular, but yeah, a bruise. Yes, Before you go 550 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: to too deep into that, I want to talk. Bring 551 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: us back to the victim, Tiffany Ichorps. She's taking these horrible, 552 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: horrible beatings at the hands of the new boyfriend, Barry Titus. 553 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: The second she's too afraid to press charges, but finally 554 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: she does take a listen hour cut seventy. Tiffany Ichorps 555 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: GID file charges against Titus a few months later, after 556 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: cutting off contact with him and getting counseling. After Titus 557 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: is arrested and charged with a salt reports say someone 558 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: left a package of white powder on I coorse porch. 559 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: Testing shows its powdered sugar, but police think someone is 560 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: trying to intimidate or scare her. A protective order is 561 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 1: filed against Titus a month later. Records show his attorney 562 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: for that case. The assault case and unrelated charges in 563 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: Cleveland County is Keegan Heroes. So enter Keegan hair Oz. 564 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: That's who's assigned to be his defense attorney after this 565 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 1: monstrous domestic beating where he nearly beats Tiffany Ichor dead, 566 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: then tries to intimidate her by leaving. I don't know 567 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: what he was trying to pretend it was, but he 568 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: left sugar and a container I guess to make her 569 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: think it was some dangerous powder on her doorstep. But 570 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: everything progresses rapidly. Take a listen to our friends at 571 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: kfo R. You might remember the name Kegan Harros. She's 572 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: an attorney caught up in a twisted love triangle. She 573 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: was representing her boyfriend Barry Titus after his ex girlfriend, 574 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: Tiffany Ikorps, accused him of making threats to kill her 575 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: and her family. Ikorps and her parents were later murdered 576 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: by two masked killers at their home and Begs. However, 577 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: to this day, no charges have ever been filed, law 578 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: enforcement officials only saying Harros and Titus are connected to 579 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: the case. But Harris took a plea deal for a 580 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: federal weapons charge and served twenty four months in prison. 581 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: At that time, no arrests the police investigators, indicating that 582 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: somehow the female attorney is connected to Barry Titus. Second 583 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: the case progresses, take a listen to our friends at 584 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: kfo R News for court documents show state prosecutors believe 585 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: very Titus and his Oklahoma City attorney turned lover, Kegan 586 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: Harris quote should be punished by death for the murders 587 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: of Titus's ex girlfriend, Tivity Korps and her parents, Jack 588 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: and Evelyn Chandler. Before the love triangle formed, Ikorps accused 589 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: forty year old Titus of threatening her family. She also 590 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: had a pending domestic abuse case against him. Representing Titus 591 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: was thirty eight year old Harris. Reports say while the 592 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 1: family slept, Titus and Harris kicked in the door and 593 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: shot them to death one by one. The state alleges 594 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: Ikorps was killed so Titus could quote avoid prosecution for 595 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: the domestic assault case, adding Titus and Harris killed the 596 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: Chandlers so they could get away with killing their daughter. 597 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: A year and a half later, both Titus and Harris 598 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,439 Speaker 1: charged with three counts of first degree murder and one 599 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: burglary charge. Oh what a tangled web we weave first, 600 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 1: we've practice too to see let me understand, leave I 601 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: fade crime online. So the two figures seen on surveillance 602 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: going into Tiffany Ichorps and her parents' home are not only, 603 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: according to Coss Barry Titus a second, but she a 604 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: female lawyer under his spell, goes with him and together 605 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: they gunned down three people in their sleep so he 606 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 1: won't have to answer up on domrell domestic relations attack. 607 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: Your correct, Nancy. In the surveillance video, two masked figures 608 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 1: approached the home. One was tall believed to be and 609 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: then and another was much shorter. We now know it 610 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: was a female and the hat that was found at 611 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: the scene contained the DNA of Titus in it. The 612 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: shell casings they were traced back to an original owner 613 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: who owned a shooting range and he said that Barry 614 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: Titus and his girlfriend his attorney Arose, purchased the gun 615 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: there and he said they also hired the gun there 616 00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: and police got shell casings and it matched casings found 617 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: at the triple homicide scene. Is it true the prosecutors 618 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: are planning to seek the death penalty, LEVI, That is correct, Nancy. 619 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: They say that the victims suffered mental anguish, mental torture, 620 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: and extreme fear because of these attacks. Hiding in the closet, 621 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: waiting to die, We wait as justice unfals Nancy Gray's 622 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,439 Speaker 1: crime stories, signing off good