1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: Get in touch with technology with tex Stuff from Comen. 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Text Stuff. I'm Jonathan Strickland, and today, once 3 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: again I am graced by the presence of our automotive genius, 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: Scott Benjamin Scott. Thanks for joining us on the show today. 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: I was going, Jonathan, I'm I'm honored to be welcome back. Yeah, 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: I am. I am trying to exert dominance because Scott 7 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: actually is way more knowledgeable in the area of cars 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: than I am. So I'm wearing my sunglasses to give 9 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: me this kind of sense of coolness and a loofness. 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: That's where you're in a tight shirt, your chest all 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: put's right. Yeah, I gotta make myself look big. Yeah 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: it's working. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks. I'm glad that I can. 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: I can dominate and then therefore maintain my my lead position. 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: But as always when I have a guest on, I 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: like to ask my guest if there are any particular 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: topics that trist them. And Scott, you picked an article 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: a list really, that appeared in Forbes Online and thought 18 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: maybe we should talk about and I couldn't agree more. Yeah, 19 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: it's say it's a topic that I think we're gonna 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: hear a lot more about in the future near future 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, um, connected cars. Yeah, and 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: not just connected cars. But this particular article is about 23 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: ten obstacles for connected cars. Because we've talked about connected 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: cars on car stuff on our show before and in 25 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: various ways. I mean kind of the slow progression up 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: to the point where we're actually calling them connected cars now, 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: because that's relatively new, right right, Because when you think 28 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: connected car, I mean that definition seems a little fuzzy 29 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: and vague, largely because we're still defining it. So you could, 30 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: if you wanted to be, you know, kind of technical, 31 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: you could say, oh, well, I've heard about entertainment systems 32 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: that you can have in a car that connect to 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: something like Pandora. Isn't that a connected car? But what 34 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: we're really talking about here, and it's it's something that's 35 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: not defined in that Forbes list. The Forbes list is 36 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: pretty bare bones when you get down to it. But 37 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: what we're really talking about here are cars that have 38 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: some sort of persistent Internet connection, and usually they also 39 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: have some sort of wireless local area network in the 40 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: car itself so that your devices can link into that network. Yeah, 41 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: that's right, and that network provides other benefits to the 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: driver and and right now, I mean you can get 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: vehicles that have elements of this right now. We're talking 44 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: about future developments that are coming down the line. And 45 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, we'll get to all this as we go 46 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: through the top ten list. But um, which, by the way, 47 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: some of this we agree with and some of this 48 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: we don't. Yeah, some of these we question how they 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: could be labeled an obstacle. It makes me think that 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: this list was originally just a list about connected cars, 51 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: and that when they got to the point of trying 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: to come up with a headline to describe it, this 53 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: obstacles was the one that seemed like it was the 54 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: best fit because maybe there's like seven real obstacles and 55 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: the other three or just we're talking about connected cars. 56 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: So you know, some of the things that that you 57 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: know you may already see in cars. There are things 58 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: like automatic notification of crashes or um, you know, when 59 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: you're getting speeding alerts. You know, if you're you're in 60 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: a rural area and you're going a little too fast, 61 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: your car can actually tell you if you're going too 62 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: quickly for that road. Things that you know, navigation systems 63 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: have done in the past, you know, on their own, 64 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: but those are add in devices, things that you you 65 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: plug in. Now cars are doing that themselves, you know, 66 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: with the with the built in navigation devices, so um, 67 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: safety alerts, things like that. All all that stuff is 68 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: stuff that we can see right now that is part 69 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: of the connected car. But as you said, the definition 70 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: is constantly changing every time uh something new comes out 71 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: or some new advancement in UH in the design of 72 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: the vehicle or the architecture of the electrical system of 73 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: the vehicle. That's that's redefining what we consider a connected car. 74 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: And this vehicle to vehicle communication that we're talking about, 75 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: that's that's just now in the in the infancy state. 76 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: I think we're not really there yet, but we're getting 77 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: there quickly. And it's kind of and the way we 78 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: described it on on car stuff is that, um, it's 79 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: almost like the phone, the phones, you know, Like I mean, 80 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: I can think seven eight years ago when I was 81 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: using a flip phone and that was relatively new technology 82 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: and we know we're just getting into smartphone area, you know, 83 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: territory at that point. But um, I think how quickly 84 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: things have developed past that point or since that point. 85 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: In just the last five six years. That's the way 86 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: cars are advancing. And I've got other stuff that I'm 87 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: gonna site here as we go along. There was there 88 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: was a particularly eye opening article in Popular Mechanics that 89 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: we've covered in detail on our other show, and I 90 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: will I'll mention elements of that as we go through. 91 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: But some fascinated stuff that that even for me and Ben, 92 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, when we were we were going through this, 93 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: we we talked about this all the time, you know, 94 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: throughout the week, even not just on the show. Uh, 95 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: some of the stuff was really eye opening. How quickly 96 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: things are happening. Yeah, and it reminds me a lot 97 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: of the discussion you and I had on the other 98 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: episode of Tech Stuff you joined me on about self 99 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: driving cars and how a lot of the elements that 100 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: are necessary to make a self driving car work are 101 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: finding their way into our vehicles today. Even though our 102 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: vehicles are not themselves autonomous right there, there's some autonomous 103 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: elements that are being worked in, whether it's something where 104 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: the car is still under full driver control, or it's 105 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: something where a computer takes over for like parking assists 106 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: to that kind of stuff. So it's very similar to that, 107 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: to that same sort of model, and without getting very 108 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: specific about it. Today there's even some some some more 109 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: news on that front as we go through this list today. 110 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: So um, I can tell you that, you know, based 111 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: on the other list, the the Popular Mechanics list, I 112 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: know we're kind of getting into two different things here, 113 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: but um, even based on what I read there, they're 114 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: talking about it's advancing even faster than what we had 115 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: talked about just a few weeks ago. It is amazing. 116 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: How I mean, that's the one drawback about doing any 117 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 1: sort of show about technology is that very quickly after 118 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: you record it, it becomes obsolete and you need to 119 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: do an update. Let's look into the actual list though, 120 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: So the Forbes list, it opens up with the statement 121 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: that cars take longer to design and build than smartphones, 122 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: so the development cycle is very different. So you might 123 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: say that if you look at smartphones in general, the 124 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: the innovation is is constant, right, You're constantly getting updates. 125 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: But even if you narrow it down to a specific 126 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: model of phone, you're still talking about essentially an annual 127 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: uh development cycle. You get a new iPhone every year. 128 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,119 Speaker 1: I think we can all appreciate this I mean, how 129 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: often do you get, you know, the iPhone six and 130 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: then the six S comes out a month later. And 131 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm bad at this naming, you know, devices, but you 132 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: understand exactly what I mean by when we get home, 133 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: the next one is on. You know, the television is 134 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: being the greatest thing, and that's what people are waiting 135 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: in line for tomorrow. Right in the United States, this 136 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: is particularly tricky, right because a lot of us get 137 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: our phones subsidized, and we get a contract that goes 138 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: along with it. The contract baseline tends to be two years. 139 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: So if you have a two year contract but your 140 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: specific model of phone updates every year, you always feel 141 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: like you're behind. Now I'm an Android user, and it's 142 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: even worse for me because there's a new Android phone 143 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: out multiple times a month, so I can't if I 144 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: settle with one model, I do that knowing that it's 145 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: going to be outpaced multiple times before I can upgrade again. 146 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: And I suppose it's similar in that, you know, Let's 147 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: say that you have a particular make of vehicle, you know, 148 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: so there's a general Motors will make a certain type 149 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: of vehicle and they will update it every year. Of course, Yeah, 150 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: still call it the same thing. There's gonna be the 151 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve modle year, the two thirteen, and the 152 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: thirteen is likely going to have more features and functions 153 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: than the twelve, but they won't do a dramatic redesign, 154 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: and you know for several years. I mean it maybe 155 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: ten years away or whatever. But they're constantly working on 156 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: new products. Well, this article says that car manufacturers work 157 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: on five year cycles. Now I'm going to say that 158 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: it's probably a little bit less than that. Typically, know 159 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: that they've a while ago, you know, like maybe a 160 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: couple of decades ago, you know, they were working on 161 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: cycles that were seven years long. You know, they would 162 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: start out with the sketches on the drawing board. You 163 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: know that even the napkin, and you work up from 164 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: there with the clay models, etcetera. Well, cad drawings and 165 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: things like that have advanced to the point where that's 166 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: shortened that you know, the amount of time, the lead 167 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: up time I guess we'd be printing really cut it 168 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: way back, because now if your prototype didn't work, you 169 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: could just redesign it and print a new one exactly right. 170 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: So the cycles are getting much much shorter. But I'm 171 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: gonna say that five year cycles. That's if that's average, 172 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: I would believe it. I know that some are working 173 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: faster than others. So I've got this note here, and 174 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: this comes from that other popular mechanics article, and there's 175 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: a couple of these that will drop in here. But 176 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm about to blow your much Jonathan 177 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: pit Me. Yeah, you alluded to this before we came 178 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: in here, and you said, you know what, I'm going 179 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: to save this for the podcast, and I'm going to 180 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a question. Now. This is um, 181 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: this is McLaren. Alright, we're talking about So McLaren makes supercars, 182 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: they make Formula one cars, they make you know, million 183 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: dollar cars, I mean close to it anyways. Al Right, 184 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: so McLaren has been in this in the supercar world 185 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: since about nineteen nine two. They made a car called 186 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: the F one about nine again, it was a million 187 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: dollar car. They made like, you know, a hundred plus cars, 188 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: not really that many of low production. These are the 189 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: ones that are like handmade, that's that's right. And now 190 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: it's one of the many that are handmade. Right. But 191 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: since they've kind of been out of the game, but 192 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: then they came back again, and I want to say 193 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: it was around two I'll find the number here, but 194 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: I think it was around two thousand eleven when they 195 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: came back. Uh. Yeah, they jumped back in with the 196 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: model called the twelve seed supercar again, so the car 197 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: for the streets. But they had been building Formula one 198 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: technology all along, and they've got something that they call 199 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: a skunk work. And the skunk Works are outside of London, 200 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: and that's kind of their uh experimental area, tough secret 201 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: research and development. Lucky skunk Works is probably the most famous, 202 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: but there are several companies that do this still thing. Yeah, 203 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: exactly right, and this is Formula one for them, right, 204 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: They're interested in Formula one technology and they build road 205 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: cars there as well. I'm gonna ask you this question. Okay, 206 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: so they they develop new technology and test new technology there. 207 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: How often do you think that they test and develop 208 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: new technology out of this skunk works facility? Oh? Okay, Well, 209 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: all right. If you're talking about a company that is 210 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: uh largely concerned with designing cars to compete in and 211 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: win races, I would imagine who have to be Let's say, 212 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go super conservative. I'm gonna say 213 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: eighteen months. Eighteen months, is your guest. Right, here's where 214 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: your mind is about to be blong, all right. McLaren, 215 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: the vaunted maker of supercars and Formula one racers, long 216 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: been known for nimble development. Right at this skunk works 217 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: outside of London, developers strive to engineer and test a 218 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: new piece of technology every twenty minutes. That that's incredibly 219 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: aggressive twenty minutes. Now. When I read that, I could 220 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: not believe it. I mean, it's it's predible how quickly 221 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: they do. They say that a new race car can 222 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: differ by as much as from the race car they 223 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: fielded the previous year. That's how fast, and you only 224 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: have similarity to the previous model. Is is phenomenal exactly 225 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: right now. They're also building, you know, these road cars, 226 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: so I'm sure that a lot of that is the 227 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: Formula one technology, right However, they've been introducing a new 228 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: car every year for every model years since two thousand eleven, 229 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: so they're quickly building these cars fast like this. And 230 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,599 Speaker 1: the way they do it is that they have completely 231 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: stopped starting with the CAD set up and all that. 232 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: They didn't even start there. They start with a human 233 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: in a simulator and that's how they begin the whole 234 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: process and they get feedback from that and it's so fast. 235 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the the most rapid way to 236 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: do the whole thing, and they make adjustments as they 237 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: go and that's how they're able to do it so quickly. 238 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: And the thing is they say they don't waste millions 239 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: on prototyping. This guy, Jeff McGrath from from McClaren Applied Technology, 240 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: sees the vice president there and he says that we 241 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: can design the car is the future before we even 242 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: begin machining parts. So they don't even prototype parts. They 243 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: start with the simulator and a person and that's how 244 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: they are able to quickly do this. Now it's not 245 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: just for these million dollars supercars, which is exciting news 246 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: for all of us because I'm not in this this 247 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: arena to buy a car, but it's exciting for you 248 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: and I because it's not just for these million dollars supercars. 249 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: It's He says that I hope this time next year 250 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: will be free to name some of the passenger car 251 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: companies that are using our technology. So he's saying we're 252 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: sharing this, we can't really talk about it right now. 253 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: So some of these these big manufacturers, like I'm gonna guess, um, 254 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, the big three here in the United States, maybe, 255 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: um who knows Pougeot or Mercedes or whoever they're they're 256 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: probably working with them, and they're developing technology just that quickly. 257 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: We're gonna see advances and cars way faster than we 258 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: ever had before, starting right now. So that gap that 259 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: is listed as an obstacle may not really be an 260 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: obstacle for well, it might not be an obstacle now, 261 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: and it certainly won't be an obstacle perpetually. I think. 262 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: Also another objection I have to that particular item, not 263 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: really objection, but maybe maybe a note a criticism perhaps 264 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: is that it doesn't really take into account the aftermarket either, 265 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: And the aftermarket could develop much more quickly because you 266 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: know you've you've got once you know the constraints you 267 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: have to work in for whatever model of car you're 268 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: developing your stuff for, Uh, you can really innovate very quickly. 269 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: And so some of these connected cars systems may not 270 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: be fully integrated with the entire vehicle. They could be 271 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: a kind of like a module, like an entertainment system 272 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: that you could take out and you would still get 273 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 1: a lot of the functionality you would get in a 274 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: car that was built to be a connected vehicle from 275 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: the start. Not everything, obviously, anything that that ties directly 276 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: into the car systems will probably be a little more problematic, 277 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: but at least like the entertainment, navigation, uh, WiFi access, 278 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, you could build that in. It 279 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of open source technology, the 280 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: way that that that whole thing works out. I mean, 281 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure you're way better at this than I am, 282 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: but open source the way I understand it is that 283 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, you take someone's base idea and you build 284 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: on that and they allow you to because that's how 285 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: you get this rapid development of ideas, right, I mean 286 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: quickly um evolves. Yeah, it's the idea is that by 287 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: opening it up to the crowd, you allow for much 288 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: more rapid innovation. There's there's a guy here and I've 289 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: got a note, another note, and I promise we won't 290 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: go as along on the next few as we do 291 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: with that one, because that one I was excited about. 292 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: But um, there's a note here that I want I 293 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: want to talk about Ellen Musk at some point. So 294 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: when it feels right to talk about open sourcing again, 295 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: just tell me, and that's when I'll hit you with 296 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: this other thing from ellenor Ellen Sean, I shouldn't say Ellen. 297 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: It's Ellen, Yes, the genius behind Tesla and SpaceX. Uh, 298 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: someone that we've chatted about several times on this podcast, 299 00:14:52,480 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: and I'm sure we'll continue to talk about it. Well, 300 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: let's talk about the second thing on the list, which 301 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: was that new safety laws will dictate connectivity. This was 302 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: one of the items that the way it was worded 303 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: on the list made me question of whether or not 304 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: it was an obstacle. I guess it could be, depending 305 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: on your point of view. Uh. Specifically, they they elaborated 306 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: on this point by saying that in two thousand and fifteen, 307 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: all cars in Europe will have to be equipped with 308 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: a system that is named E call E C A 309 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: l L, which alerts emergency vehicles to crashes and location data. 310 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: So if you're in a really bad crash you're not 311 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: necessarily responsive, it will automatically send out essentially a kind 312 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: of a distress call, and so emergency vehicles can respond 313 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: to the emergency fantastic. Yeah. Now they say that this 314 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: will that they consider this an obstacle to the connected car. 315 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: I think of this as a driver to the connected car, 316 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: not a driver behind the right the steering wheel, but 317 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: something that is driving us towards this connected car. Because 318 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: it's a requirement, it's a mandate. It's something that you know, 319 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: like GMS on Star will already do. But that's an 320 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: add on feature. I mean, it's it's built in the cars, 321 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: I understand. But it's a subscription service, right, so I 322 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. I think it. I think it 323 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: is more of a driver than anything else. There's also 324 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: another thing called B call that is going to be 325 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: be prevalent in new cars, and that's that's for breakdown. 326 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: So so E call for emergencies, BE call for breakdowns 327 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: makes sense, right. But the cool thing about BE call 328 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: is that if you do break down, there's an automatic 329 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: service call that's made with details about where you are 330 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: and what part of the vehicles having trouble, what exactly 331 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: is happening, you know, can it be fixed on the 332 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: side of the road or does it require a tow truck? 333 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: You know, are interested to call you into town or 334 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: or back home or wherever you have to go. So yeah, 335 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: I think that's um, you know, along the lines of these, 336 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, the next step after that would be like 337 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: a concier concierge service. It's tough for me to say, 338 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: but you know someone that's at a call center that 339 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: can actually help you find, um, you know, stuff that's 340 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: not critical like you know, these emergency call you know, 341 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: emergencies or breakdowns, but more like if you want a 342 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: restaurant or a hotel or a pharmacy, and you can 343 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: call at will and say, you know, I've got a 344 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: subscription to this for you know, six months or a 345 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: year or whatever, and I'm looking for a local restaurant 346 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: to serves Chinese food. Um, what do you recommend? Yeah, 347 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: that reminds me of the time with my wife and 348 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: I took a really long road trip and we didn't 349 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: have a hotel arranged because we didn't know where we 350 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: were going to be by the time it was time 351 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: to turn in. So that would have been a very 352 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: useful service in that in that case. Yes, you know, 353 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: at the touch of a button, you can get all 354 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: of that. I mean, this this E call, the be call, 355 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: the you know, the the possible concierge service, that type 356 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: of thing. I mean, all that I do see as 357 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: being part of this whole connected car thing because you 358 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: have to have connections in order to be able to 359 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: make that work, right, right, That's that's what That's what 360 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: the the on Star service relies on. Right now, why 361 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: not build that into other makes and models of vehicles 362 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: as well? Yeah, And I think when I think of 363 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: safety laws being an obstacle to connectivity, I think more 364 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: on the opposite side of this, not so much something 365 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: that is required to send out a message, but rather 366 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: what about the potential for driver distraction? So, in other words, 367 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: there might be laws that come out. We we often 368 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: see this in technology, right, We see where the technology 369 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: outpaces the law happens all the time, where we developed 370 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: these really cool tools or toys or whatever that just 371 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: when when laws were made, it didn't take that into 372 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: account because it wasn't a thing when the law was formed. 373 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: And then you suddenly realize, oh wait, this thing is 374 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: just different enough from everything else that we need to 375 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: figure out how the law applies in this case. So 376 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: if we have connected cars that have potential distractions to drivers, 377 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: I could see safety laws coming in that would affect 378 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: whether or not a car could be connected. But that's 379 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: a that's a different angle than what was in the list, 380 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: And you're jump ahead on the list because there's there's 381 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: a bit about distracted drivers later on. I've got a 382 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: specific question for you as we get to that too. Excellent. Well, 383 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: I look forward to being asked that question. I bet 384 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: you do. The next one, and this one, I think 385 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: is probably where an open source discussion can probably come 386 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: in as well. The carmakers need mobile partners, which means 387 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: that auto manufacturers obviously they're not the same company that 388 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: provides this connectivity service, right, And yeah, this is gonna 389 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: be strange, Yeah, because someone's got to be in charge 390 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: of delivering the connection to that automobile. If you've got 391 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: a cell phone receiver essentially built into your car, that 392 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: has to be working with some carrier somewhere. Yeah, this 393 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: is this is really weird to me because we're talking 394 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: about car subscriptions now at this point, and of course 395 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: we all know you know that that there's the the 396 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: satellite radio subscriptions are on Star or something like that, Right, 397 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: I understand all that, But we're talking about like being 398 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: able to bundle phone calls, streaming, music, navigation all into one, 399 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: one service where they'll be able to charge you X 400 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: number dollars per month. And let's say that you know 401 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: you want to add video conferencing, Well that's an additional 402 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: five dollars a month, but sure we can do that 403 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: for you as well. I mean, why would you want 404 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: to a video conference in your car? You may think 405 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: that's funny, but somebody who who is a salesperson or 406 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: works out of the car, they would find that invaluable. 407 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it would just be would be fantastic for 408 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: them to be able to do something like that. It 409 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: would be a complete office right there on wheels. And 410 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure that people are gonna be excited about this. 411 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: Other people are going to say, well, this is this 412 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: is a bad, bad idea. I mean, I can imagine 413 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: YouTube series coming up with this sort of thing. If 414 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: you have a system in your car where you can 415 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: do essentially a video call, then it's not a huge 416 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: jump to think of a live YouTube broadcast from behind 417 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: the wheel. And you think about all those those car 418 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: shows where it's someone behind the wheel of the car 419 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: occasionally looking over and chatting to a camera as they 420 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: navigate the car, especially once the do car reviews like 421 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: c NET. It's a great example. Then I could see 422 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: that becoming a thing where you have video series of 423 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: people behind the wheel. It doesn't even have to necessarily 424 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: be a car centric video series. That's just the gimmick 425 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 1: that gets people into the show, and it's built in. 426 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: The manufacturer will create this for you. It'll it'll have 427 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: the camera points right at the face of the driver. 428 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: And to be able to do this, because if they're 429 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: saying video conferencing, it's not gonna be something you're gonna 430 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: have to set up like the GoPro camera up in 431 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: the corner of the car or something. Right, it's going 432 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: to be there and ready to go. So um yeah, 433 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: there's gonna be uh, it's gonna be probably some new 434 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: laws that go along with this as well. Right, So 435 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: now you also have some other questions, right like if 436 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: you have like who do you partner with? What? What 437 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: manufacture partners with which carrier and and once you make 438 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: that decision, you're kind of locked in. It's not like 439 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: you're not going to find a car necessarily where it's 440 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: going to work on any carrier. I mean, I guess 441 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: they could technically build in transmitters for all the different 442 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: carriers and then you make a choice. But it's far 443 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: more likely that the cost for this development is going 444 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: to be spread across multiple UH entities, So you would 445 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: have uh, you know, a car manufacturer partner specifically with 446 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: Sprint or a T and T. Now this is interesting 447 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: because you you just brought up something that I hadn't 448 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: thought about. But what if you were interested in Volkswagen 449 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: and they their partnered with Sprint, but you don't like 450 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: Sprint service or it's not available in your area. And 451 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: then you think, well, I really want a Volkswagen, but 452 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: I also need this service because I rely on this, 453 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm in this area that just simply 454 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: doesn't have good coverage or whatever. I'm gonna have to 455 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: go with the General Motors product because they've partnered with 456 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: a T and T and I've got better service there. 457 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: It does seem pretty weird to think that a person's 458 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: choice of vehicle could depend upon who there their service 459 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 1: provider is for their smartphone. And I don't know if 460 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: they would actually change that or not, if it would 461 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: just kind of sway them one way or the other. 462 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: Like if I had these two cars in mind, yet 463 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: this one has this provider and this one has the 464 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: other provider. Maybe it might push you in the direction 465 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: that you weren't leaning before, or maybe you just end 466 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: up resigning yourself to having a car that has features 467 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: that you simply can't access, which I know would irritate me, 468 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: like I to think that I'm essentially paying to have 469 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: these features that I can't access. And we'll get more 470 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: into how this could become a complication and a little 471 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: bit further down the list. But this is kind of 472 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: where that open source approach UH kind of fits in 473 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: because another element of open source is this idea that 474 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: no one has uh proprietary ownership of the the the 475 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: base code beyond a certain level, so that one you're 476 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: able to build upon this depending upon the licensing for 477 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: the open source material UH and and the benefit of 478 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: it is that you don't have this lockdown ecosystem, whereas 479 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: in these other approaches where you have a specific partnership 480 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: between a manufacturer and a carrier, it's locked down to 481 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: a certain experience. If you don't like that service, if 482 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: you don't if if the things you own are not 483 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: compatible with it, you're out of luck. Open source is 484 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: kind of taking the opposite of UH philosophy in some ways, 485 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm kind of muddying the waters a little bit. 486 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: But ideally, with open source, you have an approach where 487 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: you can arrive to a standard that can apply across 488 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: multiple UH like the whole spectrum, so that you're not 489 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: forcing the consumer to pick one particular approach. They still 490 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: have ultimate flexibility and choice. See, could buy the vehicle 491 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: you want, but maybe with limited with limited features. Yeah, okay, 492 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: got it. Yeah, So that's that's one way I would 493 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: put that. And I think of this also with like 494 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: the connected home. So you probably have heard about appliances 495 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: like you could have your fridge and your stove connected, 496 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: and that your fridge has all the information about all 497 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: the foods that you have stored in there, and your stove. 498 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: You know, you end up sending a message to your 499 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: fridge saying, based upon the stuff that is inside of you, 500 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 1: figure out a recipe for dinner and send a message 501 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: to the stove to start preheating. But in order to 502 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: do that, you have to have all of these appliances 503 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: from the same provider, the same company. And didn't say 504 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: bad news, You're gonna have hot dog buns mustard and 505 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah. For me would be like, well, it's 506 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: a six pack of Jolt Cola and a bottle of catchup. 507 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: It's said, yeah, Joe Cola. Really well you know, yeah, 508 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: you know school. Yeah, alright. So our next one is that, uh, 509 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: this one I actually really do think of as a 510 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: true obstacle, which is that car dealers will need to 511 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: be tech savvy, that sales people will have to add 512 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: the network capabilities of the car to their knowledge base 513 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: when they're trying to sell a car to a customer. Yeah, 514 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: dealers go through a lot of training to sell cars 515 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: that are out there right now, and they're getting more 516 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: and more advanced, of course, I mean, uh, cars are 517 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: already very complex. I mean when you when you take 518 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: it a take a look at a new vehicle and 519 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: the level of complexity it has versus a vehicle that 520 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: was sold even seven eight years ago. UM. I've got 521 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: an example that I've mentioned a couple of times on 522 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: our show on Car Stuff that, Um, I have a 523 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: two thousand five Honda Civic SI and it's a hatchback 524 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: and it's the I mean, okay, it's it's the SI model. 525 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: It was kind of their sporty version. You had a 526 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: lot of stuff on it. But when I look at that, 527 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: it's extremely basic compared to a new vehicle. I've I've 528 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: said this before when I get I've sat in new vehicles, 529 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, vehicles on the lot, just kind of poking around, 530 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: seeing what's out there, and it's as if I'm stepping 531 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: into a jet fighter. I mean, it looks like the 532 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: cockpit of a of an airplane. It's incredible the way 533 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: they've advanced from you know, just two thousand five to 534 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: now it's ten that's ten years, and I know that's 535 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: even been faster than that. But um, they can be 536 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: really really complex and complicated and and confusing for the customer. 537 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: And if the dealer doesn't describe that right away, doesn't 538 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: describe to you how everything works, you're gonna be the 539 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: one driving around the block with your left hand turn 540 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: signal on all the time and I know how to 541 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: turn it off. Or how many times have you seen 542 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: someone with the you know, the flashers on the hazard 543 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 1: lights and they have no idea how to turn them 544 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: off or other features. Or you get into a rental 545 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: car and you spend the first ten minutes wondering how 546 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: you turn the headlights on. Yes, it happens. I mean, 547 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: especially if it's a dark lot. I mean you're you're 548 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: really you've got to really familiarize yourself with the with 549 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: the controls in order to be able to function in 550 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: that environment correctly. And that's important. I mean it's a 551 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: safety issue. And at nighttime. You know, if you if 552 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: it becomes nighttime quickly and you haven't switched your lights 553 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: on and the interior is not illuminated and you have 554 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: a difficulty finding switches that you need to find, that 555 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 1: can be a safety issue. And dealers need to uh 556 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: definitely need to work on this. I mean I know 557 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: that they're they're already doing a lot. I mean dealers 558 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: are well trained, but um, with the way that cars 559 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: are advancing now, it's almost like they're gonna have to 560 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: go to monthly classes to keep up with what's happening. Right, 561 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: and you never know what the text savvy level of 562 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: your customer is going to be. Right, So if you 563 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: have a customer come in who is like a someone 564 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: who writes for Wired and they know this inside and 565 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: now you need to know at least enough to have 566 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: a decent conversation with this person that they have detailed 567 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: questions you need to be able to answer, but you 568 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: also need to be able to help the customer who 569 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: is like, you know, someone's grandmother who doesn't have any 570 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: knowledge of any of this stuff. And how do you 571 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: how do you make something as complicated as some of 572 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: these systems makes sense to some boyle, you just touched 573 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: on my other example because I have elderly grandparents and 574 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: they recently get this. Neither one of them drive, but 575 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: they well one is recently deceased, but um, they purchased 576 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: a new vehicle when neither one of them could drive, 577 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: so other people could drive them to places, right, a 578 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: brand new vehicle, So this is it's a little funny 579 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: to think of, but it's of course it's a Buick, 580 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: and my grandmother love Buick. So um. The thing is, 581 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: this newer vehicle had so many buttons and and small 582 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: type on the on the on the buttons themselves that 583 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: she couldn't really understand what, you know, all that stuff 584 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: was because she was accustomed driving a car that was 585 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: maybe five or six years older, and everything was where 586 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: she knew it was. You know, it wass very um 587 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: intuitive to her. Now this new one. I mean it's 588 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: it's like it's again, it's just too complex for them. 589 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: And it's not just elderly people, it's it's just anybody 590 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: that maybe doesn't have the experience with new cars versus 591 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: you know, driving an older vehicle like what I'm driving. Um, 592 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: I would have trouble kind of learning my way around 593 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: a new car. But that's all part of it. You 594 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: have to you have to learn this new system. And 595 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: that's exactly why the dealers. The dealer role is so 596 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: critical at this point. And with all the electronic features, 597 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna have one area like one let's see one 598 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: screen area that's a touch screen that's going to be 599 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: able to do so many different things. It's not like 600 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: you can just look at it and understand what it 601 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: can do. You have to be able to dig through 602 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: that the different levels and realize what it's capable of doing. UM, 603 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can. I'm probably overstating this, 604 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: but they've gone real high tech and we need to 605 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: keep up with it. That's yeah. So this this really 606 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: could be an obstacle. I mean obstacle in just the 607 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: sense of widespread adoption. If you can't intelligently explain the 608 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: the usefulness of these systems, then how can you expect 609 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: them to be adopted? That the transition from old car 610 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: to new car, old tech to new tech is very 611 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: difficult for some people, and they've got to really be 612 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: up on things to do that. I mean, I cover 613 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: technology and even I mean I'm reaching that age where 614 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: there's some new tech that comes out and I'm like, what, Well, Scott, 615 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, this conversation has gone on really quite a 616 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: long time. So if you don't mind, Scott, I think 617 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna just uh snip the episode right here, but 618 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,959 Speaker 1: we'll rejoin shortly. Sounds like a good plan. Excellent. So, guys, uh, 619 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: if you want to get hold of Scott, if there's 620 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: something that you just have to know about cars, Scott, 621 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: where would they go to learn more about the stuff 622 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: you do? Any kind of burning question? Maybe you should 623 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: contact me via email car stuff at how stuff works 624 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: dot com. But you could also check out the website 625 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: I guess you know the stuff site that we have 626 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: that's car Stuff show dot com. 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