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Speaker 1: Oh time, Steve tasks domes dost all, we're time, all right, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Here we go. It's one Bill's Live for a Wednesday

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Speaker 1: afternoon noon to three, John Murphy, Steve Tasker coming to you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're working from home. I'm not happy about it, but

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Speaker 1: we're working from home again today and we're radio only.

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Speaker 1: Not crazy about that either, But here we go. Steve,

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Speaker 1: three hours ago, you ready for this? I am ready?

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Speaker 1: Do I sound like I'm ready? By the way, you know,

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Speaker 1: sound as ready as men. I don't think he was ready.

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Speaker 1: Just say, I'm just I'm just glad you can hear

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Speaker 1: my voice. That's all I can say. A minute ago,

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Speaker 1: I was my internet here and started to I started

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Speaker 1: a fumble. So here, Yeah, I am glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: Great days Sunday outside. Maybe it's your professional hold you

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Speaker 1: last week. I told you last week, Wednesday's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the day? Did I not? I did go back and listen.

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Speaker 1: Day was about weather. It was gonna be the day

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Speaker 1: of the weather started turning. The sunshines out. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be in the fifties today. Tomorrow is gonna be even better.

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Speaker 1: Murph is getting but now it's gonna rain still a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, what do you mean, it's gonna get

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Speaker 1: it is swarm Wednesday. Tomorrow is gonna be even better.

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Speaker 1: You said it's out. It's forty degrees. It's forty six

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Speaker 1: degrees right now. It's gonna be three, yeah, fifty one.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow is gonna be rain in the afternoon, high sixty four.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and celebrate if you want. I'm looking for

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Speaker 1: more from the weather, sheep. I need much more from

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Speaker 1: the weather. You obviously have not been paying attention to

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Speaker 1: the weather of late. I certainly how much of an

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Speaker 1: improvement these days are because playing golf. I'm playing golf today. Murph,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna freeze. It's forty seven degrees. Forty Sixty's worth it, Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's coold. I was out this morning, said it's chili.

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Speaker 1: We're here to do three hours of radio talking about

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Speaker 1: the bills in the NFL um and we got an

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Speaker 1: interesting show today. See I'm gonna talk without Tyler Matakevic

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Speaker 1: at the bottom of the side. He's doing a news

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Speaker 1: conference right about now with the rest of the Buffalo media.

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Speaker 1: He'll come on with us. The guy that in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin nicknamed Dirty Red. You've ever seen him, He's

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Speaker 1: got the red beard and red hair and Steve he's

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Speaker 1: he's a special teamer. Like I want to hear you

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Speaker 1: talk to him. This guy led the league in special

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Speaker 1: teams tackles last year, tied for the league and over

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Speaker 1: the last four years, four years of here's career, he's

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Speaker 1: had the most special teams tackles in the NFL. Will

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Speaker 1: you well, you among a league leader in special teams

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Speaker 1: tackles when you were playing Steve? Did they keep that

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Speaker 1: stat I don't think so. I led the league in

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Speaker 1: showing off. That's about all. Like, um, yeah, I got yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I never had a really cool nickname like Dirty Red. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what it was. That's a cool nickname. That is awesome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that'll be fun to talk to him. He's from the

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Speaker 1: brand new Buffalo bill um. And I'll tell you this

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Speaker 1: too for not for nothing. He was a special team's

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Speaker 1: the same way that does like in the like hockey,

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Speaker 1: like the Instigators captain really actually had some responsibilities and

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Speaker 1: some things. Plus it's a smaller roster m and you

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Speaker 1: does say something about how the team feels about you,

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Speaker 1: both the coaching staff and the administration and your your

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Speaker 1: Were you special teams captain during your team after a while?

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Speaker 1: I was, yeah, there was a there was an in

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Speaker 1: tell you Matt appeared on my screen item follow Temple

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Speaker 1: But it had to be twenty sixteen, right. I went

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Speaker 1: better on special teams, right. I mean they went out

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Speaker 1: They went out and paid him and got him. It

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Speaker 1: and only virtually, I mean, and that's how he's doing

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Speaker 1: know too, most of these guys at this time, Murph,

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to just collect the money and go out

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Speaker 1: of Fame. Say, Stretton's never even been really considered, never

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Speaker 1: upgrade Butler or Jefferson for Jordan Phillips? Or is there

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Speaker 1: something else you have in mind? Give us a call

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Speaker 1: eight oh three five fifty toll free one eight eight

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Speaker 1: will send it a tweet sheet. These are replacements. Now

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Speaker 1: we know Stefan Diggs not really replacing anybody. He's going

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Speaker 1: to jump right in probably be the number one Bills receiver,

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Speaker 1: so he's off the off the charts here. People like that.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about replacements here, Moss for Gore, Epinessa or

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Speaker 1: Addison for Lawson, or Butler or Jefferson for Jordan Phillips.

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Speaker 1: What do you think? Eight oh three five fifty toll

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Speaker 1: for Gore is the one that most people are going

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Speaker 1: with sixty two percent. They say Moss will have a

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Speaker 1: bigger impact than this predecessor. Second is twenty eight percent

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Speaker 1: for Epina and Addison over check Lawson. Other is seven

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Speaker 1: percent Butler or Jefferson for Jordan Phillips three percent. You

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Speaker 1: know what I think might be going on here, Steve,

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Speaker 1: it's hard look the Bills, and it goes for both

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Speaker 1: B and C. The Bills play a healthy seven or

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Speaker 1: eight man rotation on the defensive line, So we don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's gonna be Epinessa or Addison will get

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Speaker 1: most of the snaps for Shack Lawson, maybe it's somebody else.

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Speaker 1: We don't know if it's gonna be Butler or Jefferson

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Speaker 1: get most of the interior snaps for Jordan Phillips. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's somebody else. Harrison Phillips figures in that equation is

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Speaker 1: too on the inside in terior defensive linement. So I'm

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Speaker 1: just kind of reading. And when I see sixty two percent,

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Speaker 1: say Moss for Gore, I think that's the one that

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Speaker 1: most people can get their arms around and say, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's an upgrade right there. What do you think? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll say this though, we just got one off the

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet that's pretty interesting. And I hadn't I hadn't

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Speaker 1: really thought about it. And here's what Flatbed Music says.

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Speaker 1: Hears I choose d meaning other, He says Diggs for Jones, Mackenzie, Foster,

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Speaker 1: and Williams. Diggs is gonna be much more important edition

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Speaker 1: than anyone else on that list, all those wide receivers

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Speaker 1: that Stefan Diggs is going to take the place of.

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Speaker 1: It's got a good point. I hadn't thought about it

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Speaker 1: one for one, but it's one Diggs for all those

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Speaker 1: other guys that were rotating through with John Brown and

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Speaker 1: Cole Beasley. That's that's pretty good exchange right there. Diggs

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Speaker 1: for Jones, Taylan Who's he called Mackenzie Isam McKenzie, Robert

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Speaker 1: Foster and who he said Jones? I think he's thinking

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Speaker 1: Zay Jones, but I don't you know, Zay wasn't here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that answer makes a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of sense, because look, we're talking about starters. None of

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Speaker 1: those four that you just mentioned were real starters in

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Speaker 1: this offense. Yes, you know McKenzie started some games, but um,

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Speaker 1: you know it would be a more accurate one is

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Speaker 1: to pick one of the drafted rookie receivers and plug

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Speaker 1: him into for Foster and McKenzie. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: That would be more accurate than putting Stepman Diggs. Is

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Speaker 1: you know again, I'm not a big fan of number

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Speaker 1: one receiver. He's a number one, he's a number two.

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Speaker 1: But Stephan Diggs is the Bill's premier receiver. Now he

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Speaker 1: jumps to the front of the class. You can't compare

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Speaker 1: his impact that the four guys just mentioned. You'd almost

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Speaker 1: have to put Diggs in place of John Brown and

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Speaker 1: John Brown in play in place of you know, Cole

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Speaker 1: Beasley and Cole Beasley instead of McKenzie, Fought and all

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Speaker 1: the guys that rotated through there. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Now it's not really complicated, Yeah it is, And there's

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Speaker 1: no question Diggs is a big, huge upgrade from the

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Speaker 1: third guy and all those guys. You know, moving somebody

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Speaker 1: off the bottom of the roster is is pretty impactful.

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Speaker 1: To put a guy at the top of your depth

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Speaker 1: chart where you're already pretty good, that's a big difference maker,

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Speaker 1: no question about it. I don't know if you could

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Speaker 1: make the exact exchange for you know, Duke Williams who

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Speaker 1: started a couple of games and Stefan Diggs, Robert Foster

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Speaker 1: who started a couple of games, Isaiah McKenzie who started

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Speaker 1: a couple of games, those kind of things. But by

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Speaker 1: the same token, we're making the same comparison with Jordan,

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Speaker 1: you know, comparing Jordan Phillips and his rotation with you know,

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Speaker 1: Vernon Butler and the rest of those guys rotating in.

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Speaker 1: So I see it. Though I like the exchange, the

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Speaker 1: addition the Diggs is going to have on the receivers

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Speaker 1: as a whole might outweigh the addition of any other

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Speaker 1: addition on the team. Yeah, I understand that. Yep. And

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Speaker 1: let's take some phone calls on this which new addition

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Speaker 1: to the Bill's roster. It's gonna have the bigger impact

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Speaker 1: than the guy they replace. Give us a call eight

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Speaker 1: oh three oh five fifty toll free from outside Buffalo

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Speaker 1: one eight eight five fifty two five fifty vote in

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Speaker 1: the Twitter poll we got four hundred eleven votes so far.

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Speaker 1: Or sending us a tweet for the tweet sheet at

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Life. Um, this is a new steed, but

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Speaker 1: it's still hanging out there. All the draft picks, six

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Speaker 1: of the seven have signed, except for third rounder is

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Speaker 1: Zach Moss. I don't think there's a problem there. There

517
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Speaker 1: can't be a problem, right, he'll sign, he'll come in.

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Speaker 1: But what do you think happens when the guy you know,

519
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Speaker 1: just kind of sticking out there, third rounder. You know,

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Speaker 1: what could be the issue? What do you think? UM

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Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe the structure of the contract, maybe how

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Speaker 1: much money's guaranteed. It could be a number of things.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If the total total worth of the contract,

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Speaker 1: if he sees every penny of it, is the difference.

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Speaker 1: Probably not. It's probably how it's structured, I would say,

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Speaker 1: And nothing serious, right, I would say no. And plus

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Speaker 1: he's you know, he's got no real reason to sign

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Speaker 1: the thing until he gets the best deal possible because

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Speaker 1: he's still he's probably still doing the all the virtual

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Speaker 1: meetings and the learning curve and all of that. He's

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Speaker 1: probably still taking part because one of the reasons these

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Speaker 1: guys hold out is because they don't want to get injured.

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Speaker 1: Unless he's talking about getting his eyes tired from looking

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Speaker 1: at the computer screen screen, he's not really risking injury,

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Speaker 1: so he may he can hold out for as long

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Speaker 1: as he wants to get the best deally he possibly

537
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Speaker 1: can and anyways not costing him or the bills anything. Right,

538
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: just jumped out there. I mean, it was just last

539
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Speaker 1: Friday that Epanessa and somebody else signed the contract. I

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Speaker 1: just wonder, you know what the dealers with Zach Moots.

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Speaker 1: But hey, we'll take some phone calls when we come back.

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00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: Give us a call. Which new addition to the Buffalo

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Speaker 1: roster is gonna have a bigger impact than his predecessor.

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Speaker 1: Talk about that, talking about wherever you'd like. We're just

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Speaker 1: getting rolling. Here. One Goes Live presented by Klatta Health,

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Speaker 1: coming to you from homes again today. That's how we

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Speaker 1: do it. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome at One

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Speaker 1: Bills Live. John Murphy, Steve Tasker. Happy to be joined

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Speaker 1: by one of the newest Buffalo Bills right now. Former

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh's Stealer's draft pick seventh round in twenty sixteen

551
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Speaker 1: out of Temple University linebacker Tyler Matacavit. Hello, Tyler, John Murphy,

552
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker here in Buffalo. Thanks coming on with us.

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Speaker 1: How you guys doing. We're doing great. We're happy to

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Speaker 1: talk with you. Are you at Trumbull, Connecticut as we

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Speaker 1: speak today. No, I'm currently in Pittsburgh right now. Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so that's around that right now. I got

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Speaker 1: you the reason I asked about Trumbull. I was doing

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Speaker 1: a little research. Steve's giving me the stink. I know

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Speaker 1: because I did a little research. But trouble. As any

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Speaker 1: Buffalo sports fan would probably tell you, Trumble is the

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Speaker 1: home of one of the great all time Buffalo sabers,

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Speaker 1: Chris Drury, former Little League World Series champion, a little

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Speaker 1: bit older than you. You ever come across him or

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Speaker 1: do you know much about him or that Little League? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, I know him. He's got Cowny pizza. You

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Speaker 1: know how many piece out there? They got some good

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Speaker 1: pizza up and can out of ict? Yeah you did?

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Speaker 1: Can you send thirty pizzas to your Your mom's a nurse?

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Speaker 1: First of all, tell us about your mom. How is

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Speaker 1: she doing in the midst of this pandemic. I know

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Speaker 1: she's on the on the front lines, a nurse working

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Speaker 1: in the hospital up there. How is how is her

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Speaker 1: atmosphere for work up there? And how she doing? Well? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No so, um so my mom currently she's not in

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Speaker 1: the hospital anymoret Use she was a nurse when we

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Speaker 1: were growing up for like twenty years. Um just had

577
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Speaker 1: a little pew nutrician's office. Um but no, but a

578
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Speaker 1: lot of my friends and some close family members. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there were nurses and stuff at the er, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to do something for them, you know,

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Speaker 1: because I know, like they're going through some crazy times

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Speaker 1: right now. So I was able to get them about

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Speaker 1: like a hundred pizza like delivered to the hospital. So

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Speaker 1: that was pretty good. And this Chris Drurdy owns that

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Speaker 1: pizza shop? Is that right? Uh? He like yeah, He's

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Speaker 1: like one of them flakes, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I got to partially, I think have you ever met

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Speaker 1: Chris Jury? Have you ever have you had a chance

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Speaker 1: to talk to him about Buffalo or what it's like here?

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00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: I wonder No, no, unfortunately as No. I mean that

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Speaker 1: would definitely do something I look forward to hopefully. Yeah. Yeah,

592
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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about your experience in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: I've always had I did the CBS thing for a

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Speaker 1: lot of years. I had a lot of production meetings

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Speaker 1: with Mike Tomlin. I was always really impressed with him.

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Speaker 1: And what were your experienced with the Steelers and your

597
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: time there and the way it ended? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean I was very thankful, you know, I was

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Speaker 1: very fortunate the Steelers gave me an opportunity. Uh, they

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Speaker 1: brought me in. You know, they gave me a chance,

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Speaker 1: and I really made the most out of it, you know,

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Speaker 1: and that's all I can ask for. You give me

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Speaker 1: a chance, I'm gonna I'm gonna do the rest. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So for that, I'm definitely thankful for that. And I

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Speaker 1: mean Coach Hammond, he is an unbelievable cold, so smart.

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Speaker 1: You know. I was able to get all the guys

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Speaker 1: around them to just really lock in and focus, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I mean it was sort of an easy decision though,

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Speaker 1: to come here once I was able to li you know,

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Speaker 1: once you learn who coach McDermott is, uh, they serve

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Speaker 1: with no Bernie. You know, they definitely got some similarities.

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Speaker 1: Coach Samlin was the one who nicknamed you dirty Red.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that right, Tyler? Yeah, so he called me. He

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Speaker 1: was calling me Red, my uh rookie mini camp and

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Speaker 1: then uh shoot, by the end of OTA, and he

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Speaker 1: just one day he was just like, man, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: gonna call you dirty Red. That sounds better. And I was, Man,

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Speaker 1: you guys call me whatever you want, just keep me around. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got another coach, another coach. I ask you about

620
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Speaker 1: former Bill Special Teams coach now with Pittsburgh, Danny Smith

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Speaker 1: regarded as one of the better special teams coaches around.

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Speaker 1: What did you learn from him? What did you get

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Speaker 1: from Coach Smith? Uh? You know, I mean Coach Smith

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Speaker 1: was was such a Danny was such an unbelievable coach,

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Speaker 1: you know. Uh, I mean he really made it the

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Speaker 1: game so so much easier for myself and all the

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Speaker 1: other guys. You know, just the way he's able to

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Speaker 1: break down film and and prepare you. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were big on just almost like giving

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Speaker 1: you the answers to the test, you know, and then

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Speaker 1: you just got to go out there and perform. So

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Speaker 1: I definitely, uh, I mean, I'm definitely appreciative of those

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Speaker 1: guys and uh definitely going to use all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know, they've taught me along the way to try

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Speaker 1: to continue to elevate my game. Your head coach here

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo, Sean McDermott, was a coach in Carolina. You

637
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: grew up idolizing Luke Keekley. Did you talk to McDermott

638
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: about the kind of guy Luke Keekley was and and

639
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: how sean His respect for him and his coaching affected

640
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: Luke and his time with him. You know, I haven't

641
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 1: had the chance yet m too, but uh, I mean,

642
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm definitely looking forward to it, you know. I mean

643
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: I was able to talk to Luke like every time

644
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: we'd play him, because we would play him every year

645
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh at least, whether it's preseason regul season. But

646
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: I would have the chance to talk to him, and shoot,

647
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 1: I remember going to see him when he was at

648
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: like DC and stuff like that. So I mean just

649
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: having the chance to talk to guys like that throughout

650
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: this journey, it definitely is something specially, you know, just

651
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: to learn and just the opportunity just to talk with

652
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: him live on the line. With Tyler Medacavits Buffalo Bills

653
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: linebacker signed to a contract back a couple of months ago.

654
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: Now and Tyler one start in four years on defense

655
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: for Pittsburgh, how important is it for you to get

656
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: snaps on defense? Playing time on defense? Is that something

657
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: you're looking forward to here in Buffalo? Do you think? Yeah?

658
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: You know, Um, I mean, Shoe, I mean, it kills

659
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: me not being out there on defense, you know, I mean,

660
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: I would love to be out there for seventy snaps.

661
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: Well you know what I mean. Sinty snaps a game.

662
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, you know, I just had to be behind

663
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: some of the County guys throughout the way. I mean

664
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: I came in under behind like Lawrence Timmins and Shavier

665
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, and those are two unbelievable players, do you know.

666
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: So just just haven't really had the opportunity, I feel

667
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: like on defense, you know, just to get out there

668
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: and really show what I'm capable of capable of doing.

669
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: You know, last year, you in the in the Sunday

670
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: night or a Monday night game against the Buffalo Bills

671
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: there in Pittsburgh, what was the feeling it was a

672
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: Sunday night game? Tell it? What was the feel about

673
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: the Bill's roster coming in playing against your steaters last year?

674
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: If you can think back? Yeah, I mean shoot, um,

675
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean you you you could tell it right away.

676
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: You everyone sees what's going on with Buffalo, you know

677
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: what I mean the past few years, two years since

678
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: coach mc dermott's got in here. Um, just really getting

679
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: the team the way they wanted. Uh So, leading up

680
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: to that week, we knew we were in for a

681
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: big test, you know, we knew we were gonna get

682
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: a physical tough football team that was gonna be ready

683
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: to fight till the whistle is over, you know what

684
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean, till the clock hits zero. Um, And I'm

685
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: sure that definitely definitely what happened. I should I remember

686
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: I said it earlier before. I mean after they played Renegade.

687
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: I think, uh, what's it called? Through? Like a touchdown

688
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: pass for like seventy yards? So I definitely remember that

689
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: game pretty well. Yeah, the Bills made a big deal

690
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: out of how they practiced playing Renegade that week. Going

691
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: into that week, Tyler, I met a lot of Steeler's

692
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: opponents coming to Pittsburgh. Do that right, Yeah, That's that's

693
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: what I'm told. You know, they just get get prepared

694
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: to what they're they're getting ready to go into, you

695
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Sometimes like some environments might be

696
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: a little hostiles and like other environments, but uh, I mean,

697
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: you definitely got to prepare for whatever it's. It's a big, boisterous,

698
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: loyal fan base in Pittsburgh, and I would think the

699
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: same can be said about the fans here in Buffalo.

700
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: If you have any contact with the Bills mafia yet, Tyler,

701
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: are you looking forward to that? Oh man? Yeah? I

702
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: can't wait. I mean, sure you you see everything. You

703
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: see all the all the stuff, all the stuff they're doing,

704
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: the bills, mafia, the fans, you know, and I mean

705
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: you gotta love that. You really got to appreciate it,

706
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, just people that honestly just care about it.

707
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: You know. So it's like, why am I not going

708
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: to go out there and give it my all to

709
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: try to you know what I mean, give some joy

710
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: to fans and stuff like that. And uh, I mean

711
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: it definitely makes it, definitely makes it worth it after

712
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: you make some big plays, you know, the fans and nuts.

713
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's toftally exciting. I was on the sidelines

714
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: a few years ago on the night that Ryan Shasier

715
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: got hurt. And what looked like and I know you've

716
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: seen it on film and you experienced it as a

717
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: teammate of is it seemed as though it was kind

718
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: of an innocuous hit. It didn't seem like a big,

719
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: catastrophic collision, and yet it seems to have ended his career.

720
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: What was the atmosphere like on for his teammates, for

721
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: you and for the other Steelers to see a guy

722
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: of that caliber go down, and how does it as

723
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: it affected you going forward? And what's the atmosphere in

724
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: your locker room, like when when Chazier's name comes up? Yeah,

725
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, uh, I mean that was definitely something I

726
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: never thought I would experience. Um. I mean it was crazy.

727
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: You know. It just looked like a routine, routine play.

728
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, he couldn't he couldn't move.

729
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: You know, you hear him just like, man, I can't

730
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 1: feel my legs and uh, I mean, but that dude

731
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: right there, I mean he's one of like the toughest

732
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: hues I've ever met, you know, Um, for with everything

733
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: that happened to him, you know, I mean not being

734
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: able to walk. I mean that man had a smile

735
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: and as hind a safe every day. You know, you

736
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: just really made you like appreciate everything that you got

737
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: in your life and that like you're able to do,

738
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, because uh, I mean what he's had to

739
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: start from square one, you know. Um, And it's it

740
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: truly is amazing seeing where he was to where he's

741
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: at my right now and were I mean, it's unbelievable.

742
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: We're live with Tanna met the Cabbage Bills linebackers signed

743
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: to the Buffalo Bills a couple of months ago, led

744
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: the NFL and special teams tackles for four straight years. Tyler,

745
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: you're expected to do the same here. You were Special

746
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: teams captain for the Steelers. Uh. And you know the

747
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: other guy interviewed you today, My partner's team tasker, were

748
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: special teams captain for the Bills for a long time.

749
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: What do you think the role of a special team's

750
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: captain is? What are you supposed to do? Is captain

751
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: of that unit? You know, you just you just got

752
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: to lead by example. You know, you just got to

753
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: make sure everyone's ready to go, everyone's prepared as knows

754
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: what they're doing, you know, because Uh, I mean, if

755
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, if you trust the guy to your left team,

756
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: you're right, you know, you know, you got worried about

757
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: yourself and h And that's it, you know, just really maga.

758
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: Sure all these guys on the same page, just fly

759
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: around fast, have some energy, h and and I think

760
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: that's what they do, you know, I think that's what

761
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: their Special Teams unit does right now? Uh. You see

762
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: you see those guys making plays. Uh. And I'm definitely

763
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: excited to go join hop on train and get the

764
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: same role. Have you had any conversations with Heath Farwell,

765
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: your special teams coach. He's also a former player and

766
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: was a really good one as well. Do you think

767
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: that brings something extra to his h maybe to his

768
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: credibility as a coach? Oh? Absolutely, you know, I make

769
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: sure his resume seats for myself. You know, I'm pretty

770
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: sure you went to a pool and stuff like that. Uh. So,

771
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm definitely looking I definitely have had some

772
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: good conversations, but I'm definitely looking forward to hopefully I

773
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: can learn another trick or two, you know what, I mean,

774
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: to just take my game to the next level and

775
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,479
Speaker 1: just help all these guys get be a better unit.

776
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: Last thing I am for you, Tyler, What's I mean?

777
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: It's a weird situation now with uh We're supposed to

778
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: be in the midst of offseason conditioning in Orchard Park.

779
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: You guys are doing it virtually, uh and you have

780
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: a day off each week. What's the routine, Like, how's

781
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: it been going for you and the rest of the team.

782
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: Would you say, yeah, I mean it's definitely different, you know,

783
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: like you just said, Shoot, we'd be we'd be up

784
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: in dam in Buffalo right now. Should we'd be certain

785
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: passion pretty soon U unfortunately or not? So this is

786
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: definitely a shock, but I mean shure, it's definitely just

787
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of learning right now, a

788
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: lot of teaching. Uh, there's only so much you can do.

789
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: You know, you can't do your walks, hears and stuff

790
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: because unfortunately we're circumstances. But uh, I mean just the

791
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: zoom meetings. You're just understand the playbooks, the fundamentals and uh.

792
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: And he's really just say a field for to who

793
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: some of the guys are you know around you? Hey, Tyler,

794
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: thanks for this hanging there, Stay healthy and we look

795
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: forward to seeing you when you finally do show up

796
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: in Archard Park. Thanks coming on with us today. I

797
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys having there. Thanks, Thanks Tyler. Tyler. Matticevic, linebacker,

798
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: signed a two year deal with the Bills back in March.

799
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: Former Pittsburgh Steelers special teamer. Now I'll come into the

800
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: Bills to do the same and maybe play a little defense.

801
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: That'll be interesting Steve to see you know what kind

802
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: of work he gets on defense? Right, You know, the

803
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: Bills didn't lose Lorenzo Alexander who got a lot of

804
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: snaps on defense. They have other guys lined up to

805
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: fill in that role, but I would think Matt Keevich

806
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: at least get a look at defensive snaps, right, he'll

807
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: have a chance to carve out a niche for himself.

808
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: He may not beat play seventy snaps like he mentioned

809
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: on defense, but he may. He may play twenty. He

810
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: may play twenty five, and that's still a step forward

811
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: from where he was. I think in Pittsburgh, if he

812
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: can contribute any way, shape or form in certain situations,

813
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: they'll give him a chance to do it. Fresh start

814
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: is a fresh start for everybody. When you bring stuff

815
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: with you, like the Special Team's abilities that he does,

816
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: He's still going to get a chance to show what

817
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: else he can do. Yeah, yeah, exactly. All right, we

818
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: got a breakcare and then we're back. One Bill's Line

819
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: presented by Collat of Health. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio

820
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: Talking Back. One goes live John Murphy with Steve campser

821
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: boy that the sun is beaten down. Now, Steve, you

822
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: may be right. We have turned the corner. Hold. Yeah,

823
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: we'll see. Temper're supposed to get up well above fifty

824
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: and uh today and it's and yeah, and it's supposed

825
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: to be above sixty tomorrow, so although tomorrow is not

826
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: supposed to be as sunny. So I think you're using

827
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: your information from where you getting your your weather information from?

828
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: From my phone, the source of all accurate information for everyone.

829
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: Well above what it's forty six right now, it's gonna

830
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: be fifty one, you said, Well above see mine, you

831
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Speaker 1: see it's a's an orchard park over here, it's gonna

832
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Speaker 1: be it's gonna be fifty. It's gonna be fifty three.

833
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: Over in God's Country, it's gonna be fifty three. Yeah, yeah,

834
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: I hear you. Um yeah, it's good to have God's Country.

835
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: Good to have Tyler Mede Kevin Johnny you know what,

836
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: do you put me in a good mood? I like

837
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: his attitude. I like his upbeat attitude. I like the

838
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: way he talks. Isn't it weird? Um? He does seem

839
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: you can you kind of you know, maybe we project

840
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: their own feelings, but he does seem to be excited

841
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: to be a buffalo bill right he signed for what

842
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: for him? He signed a contract that's life changing. Over

843
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: two years, he's gonna make nine million Bucks. He'll probably

844
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: see every cent of it, and it's good for him.

845
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: You know, that's a it's a lot of money, it's

846
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: a it's a great testament to his abilities as a

847
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: special teams player in the league, and it's it's gonna

848
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: be good. He's he's got to be really happy to

849
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: land here in Buffalo. I mean, this is the kind

850
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: of team a lot of guys want to play on,

851
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: and he's and typically this is exactly the kind of

852
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: atmosphere that breeds good special teamers. I wonder, I wonder

853
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: if it was difficult for him to leave the Steelers,

854
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: you know, drafted by the team, went to the playoffs

855
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: and most of his time there, obviously had a good

856
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: relationship with coach Mike Tomlin and special team coach Danny Smith.

857
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: But here comes the Bills or any team really offering

858
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: your money that in your first real shot at getting

859
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: a big contract, you probably have to be ready to move,

860
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: right if you've you've made a name for yourself after

861
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: four years, even as just a special teamer, you're gonna

862
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to, uh, You're gonna have to be

863
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: ready to move. And it sounds like he was. Yeah,

864
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: for me, I think the same thing. I think you

865
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: have to stay ready to move, because it was a

866
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: long time for me before I ever thought, yeah, you

867
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm I don't They're not gonna get rid

868
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: of me. You know, Yeah, it took a long time

869
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: for me to be convinced to that. So I'm sure

870
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: he lived his life as a special teams guy. You know,

871
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: the bet the next guy that comes along, who's a

872
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: better athlete or better linebacker or whatever. I'm done. You know,

873
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: they'll kick me to the curb and I'm gonna be out.

874
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: I was a seventh round I was. You know, he's

875
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: taking two hundred and forty sixth overall. Um, he probably thinks,

876
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm, well, I'm I'm you know, I am

877
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: a team captain. That's good, But you know what am

878
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: I really looking at here? So I think he's probably

879
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: stayed ready in that respect and probably felt like there

880
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be a time in his future that

881
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: he was not going to be a Pittsburgh Steeler. You

882
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: ever thought, I mean, it's so different now than it

883
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: was when you played seven. You know, there wasn't free

884
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: agency then. But say you were, say at the four

885
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: year mark of your career, which would have been what

886
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety I guess right somewhere on eight nine, So

887
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: you would have been going into a second contract right

888
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: about then you got a first contract with the Oilers,

889
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: and then eighty eight was my first contract five six

890
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: and seven, Then eighty eight was my first new contract,

891
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: so there was no free agency. Then did you take

892
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: a look around though, and were the Bills paying you

893
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: enough to make you think, oh, I'm good here, I'm

894
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 1: staying here. Back in eighty eight, it was right after

895
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: my first Pro Bowl season, and so it was good.

896
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: And then the year after that when I signed the contract,

897
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: it was incentive laden back. And then incentives were a

898
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: big part of contracts because you know, there was no

899
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: salary cap, so the club was perfectly willing to give

900
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: you those incentives if you earned them. And you met

901
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: the peram and Bill Polian was great with me. Let

902
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: put me and and I said, listen, you know it's hard,

903
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: and Mike, it was something that I had to live

904
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: with as a player. You never knew how to quantify

905
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: what I did. Yeah, you know, was I You know

906
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: a lot of what I did was intangible, you know,

907
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: blocking a punt to put a team in a position

908
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: or that kind of stuff, and he So what we

909
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: did was we tied my incentives to team wins. Uh.

910
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 1: If I played a certain percentage of the special team

911
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: snaps and the team won a certain amount of games,

912
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: I got a bonus, and if they won another couple

913
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: of games, I got another. But you know that kind

914
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: of thing. And that year we went twelve and four. UM,

915
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: and if I understand, you know, Ralph and Ralph Wilson

916
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: and Jeff Litman were knocking on Bill's doors and what's

917
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: the deal with taskers contract? What's going on? Yeah, it were,

918
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: it weren't. I didn't get a raise, but I got

919
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: a big check right so um in the off season.

920
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: So that kind of stuff happened, and you know that

921
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: that all went away with my next contract. But still,

922
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: the fact that the stuff you did, the valuable stuff

923
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: you did, was not all that quantifiable. That's good and bad, right,

924
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: I mean it was good sometimes you can say, well, shoot,

925
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: we won when I was doing these things. On the

926
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: other hand, you know, you had limited snap compared to

927
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: other wide receivers on the roster, and they probably said,

928
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: look at we can't pay you. We're paying our third

929
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: wide out this, how can we pay you this? Right? Right?

930
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: The differences and what you can always do is what

931
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: we did and for whatever it's worth, is you'd point

932
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: to say, the first home playoff game in rich Stadium

933
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: was the Oilers against the Bills, and and we were playing,

934
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: we were hanging onto a one touchdown lead, and you

935
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: made a big Oilers go down, Oilers go down and score.

936
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: We go one, two, three and out. There's two minutes

937
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: plus left in the game of war. Moon's about to

938
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: take over and I forced to fumble and putting the

939
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: game away. We got the ball, ran the clock and

940
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: out return right. They fumbled a return right right. So

941
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: you can point to stuff like that say, well, you

942
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: know that kind of stuff that you know, and it

943
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: was like and you'd kind of get there, you know,

944
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt at least. So did you get

945
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: involved in that or was your your agent was Joe

946
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: Shaw right Hamburg attorney Joe John Yeah, did you ever

947
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: get involved in those? Meanings are now? Joe just gave

948
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: me the you know, the play, gave me the gave

949
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: me the hit count, you know, and uh, and that

950
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: was it. But Bill and Joe had a great relationship

951
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: I had a great relationship with Bill, and I never

952
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: felt I was in a position to like overplay my hand.

953
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: You know, Um, I truly really did believe even when

954
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: I signed that next after my Pro Bowl year, I

955
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: truly did believe, Like you know, I wasn't Special teams captain,

956
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, so I was just another guy, and I

957
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: treated myself and thought on myself as such. Yeah for

958
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: Meta chevitch again and then repeat. I bet you know,

959
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: if he had his way, he probably would have preferred

960
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: to stay in Pittsburgh, solid organization, a good team, always

961
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: contending he had a place, he was special Teams captain.

962
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: But in the current NFL it doesn't work that way anymore.

963
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: You got to be ready to move if you're gonna

964
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: cash in, right, unless you're really willing to some decent money.

965
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 1: He more than quadrupled his salary. You know, I'm sure

966
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was making as a rookie,

967
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: seventh round draft picker, you Kidney, He's like almost mystery, irrelevant.

968
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: He was two hundred and forty six taken. He was

969
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: making a minimum, you know, so he probably got eight

970
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: times what his contract was worth. You know, if he

971
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: was making a half a million bucks a year. He

972
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: just yeah, he just he's making four and a half now.

973
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: So that's life changing money and good for him, and

974
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: so he it's not even a question, you know, it's

975
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: not even a question whether you're gonna sign that deal

976
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, all right, it was good, good, And

977
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: we don't mean to spend a lot of time talk

978
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: about money. But you know what, Steve, it's professional football.

979
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: For many guys, that's about money, you know, and guys

980
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: have to think about money, and teams have to think

981
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: that way too, right, And not for nothing I asked

982
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: him about Ryan Shaisier. You know, you think these guys

983
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: are overpaid. Ask Brian Shaisier. You know, he'd probably give

984
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: every cent back if if he if he could be healthy.

985
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: You know, sure, it's it's a it is a risk

986
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: this game. It's a huge it's a risky game, and

987
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: it does leave lasting physical scars on you, seen and unseen,

988
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: and it comes back to haunt you decades after you

989
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: finished playing it. And so that's part of the compensation

990
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: they get for taking those risks and making that physical sacrifice.

991
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: So I've never been one of those old guys that

992
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: have begrudged these young guys how much money they make,

993
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: because I remember the risks, and I was perfectly willing

994
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: to take him. I was just looking up spot track.

995
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: Our friend Mike Janidi runs a website with salary. So

996
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: in his first four years with the Steelers, average salary

997
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: for Tyler made Kevin six hundred thousand dollars average. His

998
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: average salary now over the next two years with the

999
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: Bills three point five million dollars. So it's an increase

1000
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: of five almost six times more money. And did he

1001
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: and he got a seven digit signing bonus one point

1002
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: one point five he's got there's three different bonuses here, yeah,

1003
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: but one point one point seven million dollar bonus. Yeah.

1004
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: So he walked off with a million dollars in his

1005
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: pocket just to sign the contract. Good for him, you know, yeah,

1006
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: good for him. And I think he's gonna be a

1007
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: good player too. Tyler metacabitch. We just had him on

1008
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: the show, all right, we gotta take a break. When

1009
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: we come back, we're going to talk about an old

1010
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills linebacker the Lake Mike Stratton just passed away

1011
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. Clark Judge from Talk of

1012
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: Fame Network says why isn't Mike Stratton being considered a

1013
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: potential Hall of Famer? Good question. We'll talk with Clark

1014
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: about that when we come back. It's One Bill's Live

1015
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. The

1016
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: update from One Bills Live. Falcons coach Dan Quinn said

1017
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: yesterday his team has discussed having joint practices with the

1018
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills and the Miami Dolphins for that matter. He

1019
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: said the decision is not final, so much uncertainty regarding

1020
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: the current pen demic. Not sure how it will affect

1021
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: the timing of teams for returning to the field. Falcon's

1022
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: helped joint practices in twenty fourteen, hosting the Tennessee Titans.

1023
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: That year, the Falcon scheduled to play the Bills sometime

1024
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: on the weekend in October twentieth to twenty fourth. It

1025
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: would seem that that would be the time frame if

1026
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: the Bills do have joint practices with Atlanta, but nothing

1027
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: is set yet. Well, Shan Shandey McCoy still wants to play.

1028
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: He's got over eleven thousand rushing yards, six Pro Bowl

1029
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: appearances and now a Super Bowl. He says it completes

1030
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: his Hall of Fame career, but he's not yet done

1031
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: with it, he said an appearance on NFL's Good Morning

1032
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: Football NFL Networks Good Morning Football. He will return for

1033
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season, wants to close out his career

1034
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: the right way and hoping to play with the Philadelphia Eagles.

1035
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 1: The league and clubic decatives have agreed on a proposal

1036
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: to raise the debt limit for each team from three

1037
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: hundred fifty to five hundred million dollars. The agreement reached

1038
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: during a conference call this week a response to the

1039
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: uncertainty caused by the pandemic. Owners will vote on the

1040
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: proposal later this month. The Las Vegas Raiders finalizing an

1041
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: agreement with veteran cornerback Prince and Mukamara. He has started

1042
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: ninety nine games in his career. He should compete for

1043
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: a starting job of Las Vegas at best and provide

1044
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: some experience in depth at quarterback at the least. The

1045
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: RAM finally unveiled their rebranded uniforms, the brand new uniforms

1046
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: that will debut this season. The new look includes a

1047
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: blue jersey featuring yellow numbering with interchangeable blue or yellow pants.

1048
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: The Governor of Arizona has opened the door for professional

1049
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: sports to return. Governor Doug Doosey said professional sports, including MLB,

1050
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: the NBA, the NHL, and the NFL can't resume at

1051
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: Arizona without fans on Saturday. There you go. That is

1052
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: the update One Builds Live Sports Update. John Murphy, Steve

1053
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: Tasker ready to start our number two joining us on

1054
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: the line Talk of Fame, network writer, host, contributor to

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Speaker 1: SI dot com. Clark Judges, well as Clark. How are you,

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Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Tasker upper in Buffalo? Thanks coming on

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Speaker 1: they murfh. Great to hear from you. Hi, Steve, Hey

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00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: you doing Clark? Thanks on you guys. Are you staying

1059
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: busy during this pandemic? Yeah, but mostly outdoors? Clean enough

1060
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: the yard. We're locked down here in Connecticut, so we're

1061
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: doing as much yard work as we can. That's good

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00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: a Clark, You've got our attention this week. And when

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00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: you wrote about a familiar and famous Buffalo Bill linebacker

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00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: Mike Stratton, who just passed away a couple of months ago,

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00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: you say Buffalo never forgot Mike Stratton, So why has Canton.

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00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: You made a case, a pretty strong case for at

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00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: least some consideration for Mike Stratton in the Hallsome Canton, Ohio.

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00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, absolutely, Murph. I mean, and I think the

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00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: important word there is consideration. I'm not saying he belongs.

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00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: I do think he's got a resume that would put

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00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: him in there, or could put him in there. But

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00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm always reluctant to say this guy belongs or that

1073
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: guy belongs unless there's sort of like an open and

1074
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: shutcase Joe Montana, Jerry Right, somebody like that. But Mike

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00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: Stratton's got a case that should be considered. So's Tom Sustack.

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00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: Butch Beard. None of those guys has been considered. They're

1077
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: not semi finals, have never been finalists. And I didn't

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00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: understand it when I first got involved because they were up.

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00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: You know, they could have been up years and years

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00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: in a decade ago. But I do believe now what

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00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: I've heard, which there was an anti AFL bias. You

1082
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: look at the number of star players from that era,

1083
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: and I look at the Bills, but I look at

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00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs that took Johnny Robinson what forty

1085
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: five years, almost five decades to get into the Pro

1086
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. You look at his resume. If

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00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: he had done that with an NFL team, if he

1088
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: were with the Dallas Cowboys, for instance, he would have

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00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: been a first ballot Hall of Famer, but he had

1090
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: to wait forever because I do think there was a bias,

1091
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: and then they've just forgotten. And honestly, the problem now

1092
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: is that really very few people outside of Buffalo remember

1093
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: Mike Stratton, Frankly, Tom set Stepsack or Butcher Beard. But

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00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is these guys have cases

1095
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: that are deserving. They are deserving, they need to be

1096
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: or should be discussed, but now it's only the Senior

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00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: Committee who can do it. As we know, we've talked

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00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: about this and here before it was a two one

1099
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: two process where to get two in one year, one

1100
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: the next, two, the next one the next. That may change.

1101
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: I hope it does, because there's so many qualified guys

1102
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: that need to get in, and unfortunately when we had

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00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: the Centennial Committee, only one guy from the AFL, and

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00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: that was Winston Hill from the Jets, got in. So

1105
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: I would like to see address that AFL problem because

1106
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: there are so many guys who are deserving. Mike is

1107
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: one of them and didn't get in, and honestly have.

1108
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: It's kind of been forgotten and it's probably not going

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00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: to get easier for the old AFL guys, the guys

1110
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: like Billy Shaw who played their entire careers with the AFL.

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00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: He did get into the Pro Football Hall of Fame,

1112
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: but there are more like him around. And the problem,

1113
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: one of the problems, I would think, as you mentioned,

1114
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: nobody saw these guys play that's even in a position

1115
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: to put him in the conversation. That is the problem, Steve.

1116
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: And you know, when I highlighted that hit, I would

1117
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: bet you could probably talk to maybe forty seven of

1118
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: those forty eight guys on the board, maybe forty six,

1119
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: and they go, I don't know what you're talking about.

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00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: They hit heard around the world. I don't know what

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00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: you're talking about, And you say the YouTube and look

1122
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: at it, and it's a signature play. Much as I think,

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00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: and I pointed out in that article Steve Atwater hit

1124
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: was on Christian Nakore. And yet when Atwater was discussed,

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00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: that's what we talked about. They hit na Kore. How

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00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: that was so representative of him And if you were

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00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: to talk about him, Mike Stratton, that would be sort

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Speaker 1: of the fulcrum of the discussion. But we're not talking

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00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: about him, and frankly, I'll be honest, I don't even

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00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: we all ever you're going to talk about him unless

1131
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: the Senior Committee brings them out. But they've got a

1132
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: backlog of so many deserving guys. And I'll start with

1133
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: a guy like Drew Pearson or Randy Gradishar from a

1134
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: decade later in the seventies, Drew Pearson's first team. All

1135
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: decades they didn't get in. They now the Sentenal Committee

1136
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: made them finalists. At least they were finalists, but they

1137
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: haven't gotten in either. There's so many people like that.

1138
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: And when I looked at the those Bills teams, and

1139
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys know about them. You know, in

1140
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: the sixties and sixty four and sixty five teams, those

1141
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: defenses were really really good defenses. If they were playing today,

1142
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: they get a ton of attention. But because they played

1143
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: in another league then that was kind of looked down.

1144
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: That kind of it was looked down by the NFL.

1145
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: They didn't get the attention that was deserving of them.

1146
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: And then of course then the Jets beat the Colts

1147
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: in Super Bowl three and we go whoa. I mean,

1148
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: maybe this league better than we thought than the Vikings

1149
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: get beaten by Kansas City and Super Bowl four we go.

1150
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: That's two to two guys. Apparently they're on legal and

1151
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: e equal footing. So I really I feel for guys

1152
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: like that because the Steve said, you know that people

1153
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: just don't remember them, and the Senior Committee does because

1154
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: that's their job. They do, but they've got such a

1155
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: hard job. They're literally dozens and dozens of Mike Stratton's

1156
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: out there waiting to hear their name called, and unfortunately

1157
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: most of them won't. We're with Clark, judge taker, fame

1158
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: network writer and host Clark. For the sake of our chament,

1159
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: let me make this case which I really don't believe in.

1160
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: But I wonder the anti AFL, the AFL anti AFL bias.

1161
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: You talk about how many guys can do, how many voters,

1162
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: electors of all of pain can defend that by saying, look,

1163
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: they weren't that good. Yes, the Jets beat the Colts,

1164
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: Yes the Chiefs won the next year, but the first

1165
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: X amount of years in the AFL, they were not

1166
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: our equal and that's why those guys don't belong there.

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00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: People like Mike Stratton's second team All AFL. What do

1168
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: you think of that argument? It doesn't float. Murphy doesn't float.

1169
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: When Kansas City beat the Vikings, that was a resounding defeat.

1170
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know if either of you witness did

1171
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, yeah, there, I watched, Okay,

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00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean it was a resounding defeat, and I remember

1173
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: watching that game going wow, I thought Minnesota was a

1174
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: lot better than this. I didn't know Kansas City was

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00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: this good. Now, the Colts game, I do think. I'll

1176
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: be honest, I'm now I'm a die hard Colts fan,

1177
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: so I'll sort of disarm myself by saying that. But

1178
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: I thought that was an aberration. I mean, everything went wrong.

1179
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: You know that he was yours waving his hands in

1180
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: the end zone and moral throws the ball to Jerry Hill.

1181
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: There's Tom Mitchell in the end zone and the ball

1182
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: ricochets off his back shoulder. I mean, they did everything wrong.

1183
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: That said the Jets played a great game and they

1184
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: deserved to win that game at sixty to seven wasn't

1185
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: indicative of the final score. They'd dominated that game from

1186
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: beginning to end. And yet in the Super Bowl four

1187
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: that was a dominant performance. And I looked at that

1188
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: and said, geez, these two teams and these they're just

1189
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: not on the same level. And apparently these two leagues

1190
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: are on the same level. So you might have said

1191
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: that after Super Bowl three. To me, super Bowl four

1192
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: really eliminated that conversation. You can't make that case anymore.

1193
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: It was two to two guys. That sounds to me

1194
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: like a pretty equal footing. Well, how about in the

1195
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: early sixties though, right until the Jets beat the Colts.

1196
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: Was the AFL the equal in the NFL? Back then?

1197
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: It We just don't know, Murph. I mean, it was

1198
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: a completely different game, much more wide open. And yet

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I remember somebody, and honestly I think it

1200
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: was Hunter Thompson, who wasn't all writer, but he was

1201
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: a good writer, saying that Bilambard is the worst thing

1202
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: that ever happened in the NFL because he made it boring.

1203
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: And I thought there was something to that, because they

1204
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: didn't throw the ball much. It was all about not

1205
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: making mistakes, defense, running the ball, and there was something

1206
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: to it. And the AFL said, we're gonna go completely

1207
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: the other directions, wide open, and listen, I was a

1208
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: fan of the sixty three Chargers and that was wide open, lanced,

1209
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: Allworthy had Lincoln low. You know what they did to

1210
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots and the AFL championship game. That was a

1211
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: terrific team. And then when they come against the Bills

1212
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: the next year, feel a good team. But they lost

1213
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: Lincoln immediately as we know about the Stratton did, and

1214
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: all Worth wasn't playing. But then the following year the

1215
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: Bills put it to him out there. I mean that

1216
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: was a resounding defeat too. And and you look at

1217
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: that defense and say, wait, man, back to back championship games,

1218
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: they shut down the Chargers to one touchdown and after

1219
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: the Stratton hit, the Chargers didn't get any points, you know,

1220
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: in two games. So I don't know how you can

1221
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: make that argument based on what we saw later, because

1222
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear. I mean Kansas City and that first

1223
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: game they played Green Bay clothes for a half and

1224
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: then the second half fl apart. But those three of

1225
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: those four games, I thought, whoa, um, the AFL is

1226
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: a force to be contended with. But to me, in

1227
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: the fourth game, as I said, resounding defeat, third game

1228
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: really was a resounding defeat, but a huge upset, and

1229
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: I think the Colts did everything wrong to play into

1230
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: their hands. But I mean, you can make the case

1231
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: that the Jets fourth everyone and it forced them to

1232
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 1: do it. But whatever reason, I watched that cold team,

1233
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: that was a great defense of the cold set. They

1234
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: played good defense that day. This wasn't They got nothing

1235
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: from their offense. Eventually they had to go to Unitis,

1236
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: who was a broken player by then. I thought it

1237
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: was sort of sad to seem get on the field,

1238
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: but um, but it just didn't. It just didn't work out.

1239
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: So as I said, listen, I see a score two

1240
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: to two, I go, apparently these two teams are equal. Well,

1241
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: those are two leagues that are two to two. Apparently

1242
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: they were equal by that point. And so I think

1243
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: when you look at the beginning of the years, two

1244
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: two very different leagues, but equally good. Clark, judge, our guest,

1245
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: think Clark. Before we move on from Mike Stratton, you

1246
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: point out in the post that you wrote that that

1247
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: Stratton should be considered you said he produced a memorable career.

1248
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: He produced more than one memorable play. It's not just

1249
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: about the shot heard around the world. Is that's that's right? No,

1250
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: I mean, six time All Star. You know, he's a

1251
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: second team All AFL, All Time AFL. That's what I

1252
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: don't get, guys. I mean to me, when I look

1253
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: at that All Time AFL, I go, listen, let's just

1254
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: take the first team and put these guys in. I mean,

1255
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: this first team must be pretty good. And I look

1256
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: at the names, and I know who they were because

1257
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm old enough to have seen them play, and I

1258
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: knew they were really, really good. But if you had

1259
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: an all time, well, the all time NFL team, seventy

1260
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: fifth anniversary team, everyone's in the Pro Football Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame except for Billy White chose Johnson. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: took us years to get Ray guy in there, but

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Speaker 1: fortunately we did. But um, you know, it's just it's

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Speaker 1: it's mind boggling to me that we don't consider some

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Speaker 1: of those guys more carefully. And unfortunately, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: hit the same team again. They're gone and they are

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Speaker 1: forgotten by a lot of people. Hopefully the Senior Committee

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Speaker 1: will do what it did with Johnny Robinson. They did

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Speaker 1: the right thing. He was the most qualified candidate NFL AFL.

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Speaker 1: I don't care, CIO, AFC, I don't care you know BBC.

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Speaker 1: He was the best. He was the best candidate there

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Speaker 1: was and he got in. And there was some discussion

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Speaker 1: even today about well, you know, the two leagues, and

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Speaker 1: it just kind of put it to rest, guys, let's go,

1275
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Speaker 1: and so it was. It became an easy conversation at

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Speaker 1: the time went on. But as I said, I look

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Speaker 1: at guys like Mark Stratton, which appear in the settack

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Speaker 1: apparently too. I mean, I just I just don't understand it.

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Speaker 1: Why haven't they even been the Scott Listen. I can

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Speaker 1: hear you saying they're not in. I can hear guys

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Speaker 1: and I don't think he should be an Okay, fine,

1282
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: but don't we at least owe it to them to

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Speaker 1: talk about him. Shouldn't we at least bring them before

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Speaker 1: the board. I think the answers yes, But the way

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Speaker 1: it's structured now, it's gonna be very difficult. And the

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Speaker 1: history continues to get longer and longer for the NFL

1287
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: every year. The calendar is set by the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame weekend, where these guys are all inducted into the

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio. And you

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Speaker 1: talked to CEO David Baker, who about what the Hall

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Speaker 1: is going to do this year and what they might do,

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Speaker 1: and you didn't find out not only did they have

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Speaker 1: a plan, they had like five plans. What are your

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01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: thoughts on what the Hall of Fame might be forced

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01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: to do and when they will be they will have

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01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: to decide to do it. Yeah, that's a good question, Steve.

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Speaker 1: I asked David, you know you have a drop dead date,

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01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: and he said, no, we don't. We're going to push

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Speaker 1: it as far back as we can. And I understand

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01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: that because they would like to have two separate ceremonies,

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Speaker 1: one in early August for the class of twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: Modern era candidates with a couple selected people. I think

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01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: Tagliboo's one of them. I think maybe Power and Johnson

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01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: or two others joining them from the Centennial class. And

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Speaker 1: then they want to have another induction September eighteenth, about

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Speaker 1: a month and maybe five weeks later for the Centennial class,

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Speaker 1: So two separate inductions. So right now they're still on

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Speaker 1: that plan. However, they're in a holding pattern and they're

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01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: kind of waiting to see what happened. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think anyone knows because I mean, as I mentioned I

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Speaker 1: live in a state where we're still in lockdown. You know,

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01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: if it were Georgia, you know, I would guests probably

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Speaker 1: they're going to have it, But I don't know, and

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Speaker 1: no one in Ohio knows what's going to happen by

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Speaker 1: that time. But he's kind of trying to take his leader.

1316
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: The Hall is trying to take its lead from Roger Goodell,

1317
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: and Roger Goodell is essentially saying we're still pushing forward

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01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: with plans as is. And you saw that with a

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Speaker 1: schedule it's front loaded with big games. Well that tells

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Speaker 1: you they think they're going to start in early September. Well,

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Speaker 1: if that's the case, the chances are better than not.

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Speaker 1: I would say this juncture that the Hall has the

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Speaker 1: August induction, but you don't know because it's Ohio and

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01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: they're under the orders of the governor. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: not a decree from anyone other than the governor. But

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Speaker 1: they're taking a lead and intim advice I think from

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Speaker 1: the NFL office. Now, in the end, it's the Pro

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01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame does what it deems necessary, and

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01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: if it thinks that that's too soon, I think what

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01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: they'll do the first option my guests would be to

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01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: move but back to that September eighteenth date and combine

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Speaker 1: the two, not in the same ceremony, because you could

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Speaker 1: never do it. I mean, take you know, twelve hours

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01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: or whatever, but do it on separate days and make

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01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: it a robust week is Class of twenty twenty plus

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Speaker 1: and Sentenio class in early September. I think that's the fallback.

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Speaker 1: And then I don't know because one of the possibilities

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Speaker 1: was doing a virtual induction. I just said, David, why

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Speaker 1: would you do that? I mean, then you lose everything,

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01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: and you know, Steve, I mean you've been to those

1341
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: things before, you lose everything. It's all about thanking the

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Speaker 1: people who were there when you came up. And a

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Speaker 1: virtual induction, just to me is it's losing a lot

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01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: and it's not really an induction at all. So I

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01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: don't think that's a realistic possibility. To me, it's either

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Speaker 1: doing it in August or right now. Moving it back

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Speaker 1: to September Live with Clark Judge Talk of Fame Network

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Speaker 1: writer host Hey Clark. I read an interesting post on

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Speaker 1: Talk of Fame Network. I don't know if you wrote

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01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: it or not. Maybe it was a Boston writer. But

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Speaker 1: you're talking about Bill Belichick, I mean, the most to

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Speaker 1: lose this upcoming seas as coach of the of the Patriots,

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01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: And you made a point about one of the things

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Speaker 1: that Belichick might keep him motivated is the fact that

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Speaker 1: he is within striking distance at least what forty fifty

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Speaker 1: wins away from Shula and allis top of the NFL

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01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: coaching list most regular season victories. That's why I guess

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Speaker 1: it was a good argument made that Patriots aren't going

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01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: to tank. Didn't want to tank. Belichick doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: give up a year, right, I mean that that's pretty

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01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: good point. Yeah, it was a good point. It was

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Speaker 1: not I it was a Boston writer who wrote it.

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01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: And we have a guest columnist each weekend, and it

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Speaker 1: was a Boston writer. Yeah, it makes sense. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think they are trying to tank, or I don't

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Speaker 1: think anyone in the NFL's tanks really. I mean that

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Speaker 1: Dolphins last year was supposed to tank, sold that to

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Speaker 1: New England. They lost the last game of the season

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Speaker 1: to the Miami Dolphins. But I don't think that's the idea.

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Speaker 1: But I will say I think there's a teardown in

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Speaker 1: process in New England, and I don't think he's looking

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Speaker 1: at that as much as he's looking sort of beyond

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01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: this season. Then I think he knows and a hard

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Speaker 1: as hearts, that they're not the team to beat, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to be with the teams

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Speaker 1: to beat. To me, Buffalo is the team to beat

1377
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: in that division until somebody else emerges. Miami stronger that

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01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: the Jets are better, the Patriots aren't, and the Patriots

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01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: lost Tom Brady. Now you look at the record with

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady and the record without the let just got

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01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: a losing record without him. With him, of course, we

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01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: know what he did with him, and Buffalo certainly knows

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01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: what thirty and one, thirty and three or thirty one

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01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: and three or whatever he was against Buffalo, and so

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Speaker 1: without him, it strikes me as a situation much like

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Speaker 1: what happened in Cleveland when Bernie Kosar was there, and

1387
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: Bernie Kozarre taking that team as you know, I mean

1388
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: close to the super Bowl, within a win of the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl, but it didn't happen, and then he got

1390
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: rid of him and fans going what's going on and

1391
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: they had a terrible season, and then the next year

1392
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: bought came back and had a playoff season. So maybe

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01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: it's something like that him. It's not just Brady, and

1394
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: it's not forget about Gronkowski didn't play their last year.

1395
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: They lost six starters and they lost Jamie Collins, John Harmon,

1396
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: and they've lost a lot of contributors. Got Scouse. He's gone,

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Speaker 1: and you look at what's left and the cupboard's kind

1398
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: of bare. So I see New England is dropping way

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01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: back this year and then maybe retooling for twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Do you think, what do you think they'll look like?

1401
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: You say they'll drop way back. But we've seen Bill

1402
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: Belichick win a lot of games with players that we've

1403
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: never heard of before they became New England Patriots. I mean,

1404
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean to exaggerate to make a point. It's like,

1405
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: you know, he's playing with Division two players that nobody's

1406
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: ever heard of, and everybody else gets their first round

1407
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: draft picks who are on billboards, and he beats everybody

1408
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Speaker 1: with those guys. Why do you think or why is

1409
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: it this time? You don't think he'll be able to

1410
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Speaker 1: do what it seems like he's always been able to

1411
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Speaker 1: do because I think the roster just he just says,

1412
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Speaker 1: an now the talent. You look at the roster, the

1413
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: personnel's not there. Two thousand and eight, we know what

1414
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: happened there. Brady got hurt the first game, right, and

1415
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: then he go ten and five with Matt Castle or

1416
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: Randy Moss is still him that team? Randy Moss is

1417
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, star wide receiver? Right now is Julian Edelman.

1418
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: Julian Edelman without Tom Brady is to me just a guy.

1419
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: I don't see how he's certainly not Randy Moss. But

1420
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: they had some players in two thousand and eight. That's

1421
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: not to say that wasn't a terrific achievement. It was.

1422
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,839
Speaker 1: But this team you look and go, where are the stars?

1423
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: Where where are we going to get points? I mean,

1424
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: Brady's gone, so we're counting on a quarterback who's really

1425
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: never done anything with this team. I saw him last

1426
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: year play. When he did, he was unremarkable, but he

1427
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: played sparingly. So he's going to learn that much in

1428
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: one years that he behind Tom Brady to make them

1429
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,560
Speaker 1: competitive with Buffalo, I don't think so. I mean the

1430
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Speaker 1: Patriots will lucky to beat Buffalo, and that second game

1431
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: in New England, and that to me was a playoff game.

1432
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: I thought it's a playoff atmosphere, and I thought Brady

1433
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: really elevated his play to the point where, yeah, you

1434
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: looked at him and say, this could be a super

1435
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: Bowl team again if they play like this. And they

1436
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: didn't in the last game against Miami, and they certainly

1437
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: didn't against Tennessee in the playoffs. But but Buffalo is

1438
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: like that, and I assume they're not going to drop down.

1439
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: I assume the be that kind of team. Where are

1440
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 1: they going to get the points to solve that defense?

1441
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be James White? I don't think so. I mean,

1442
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 1: is it gonna be Jared Stidham? Are you kidding me?

1443
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: And you've lost You've lost points everywhere and production everywhere.

1444
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: So your top receivers, Edelman, your top running backs White,

1445
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: where is it coming from? And I don't see where

1446
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: the production's coming. And last year that was a descending team.

1447
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: Now this year, this team I think is going to

1448
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: really descend. I'd be shocked, Steve, Honestly, I'd be shocked

1449
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: if they were there with the top two teams whoever

1450
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: they are in this division. I think Bill BELI certainly

1451
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: is not going out in limbsay. He's a great coach,

1452
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: but I don't see how he elevates this ball club,

1453
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: not when the talent they got there. Hey Clark, one

1454
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: more topic to get into with your historical perspective on

1455
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: the NFL, and I have to confess on the passing

1456
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: last week of Don Shula, I guess I was reminded

1457
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: about how they did all that winning down there and

1458
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: one a couple of Super Bowls, and there was never

1459
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: ever a hint of anything untoward, anything illegal going up.

1460
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: It was hard, you know, as a Bills fan, it

1461
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: was hard to acknowledge that when they were beating him

1462
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: up in the seventies the way they did. But nobody

1463
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: ever questioned how they want although winning they did. Isn't

1464
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: that right? That's correct? And it's funny you mentioned that

1465
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: on the heels of talking about Bill Belichick and the Patriots. Yeah,

1466
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: because well that's our thinking. Yeah. When Armando saugera the

1467
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: Miami Herald talked to Schula not long ago, but he said,

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Speaker 1: how do you want to be remembered, He said, I

1469
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: want to be remembered as a coach who won within

1470
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 1: the rules and He didn't mention anyone by name, but

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01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: he said, and I want my players to be remembered

1472
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: as players who performed well within the rules. He didn't

1473
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: mention anyone by name, but it's clear whom he was

1474
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: talking about. And I know he was really sort of

1475
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: prickly about what was going on in New England and

1476
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: the fact I don't know if it was the fact

1477
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: of Belichick was closing in on number what, but he

1478
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: he just he didn't have a whole lot of respect

1479
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: for some of the things that happened there. The thing

1480
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 1: that the word that comes to minor so Don Shula,

1481
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: and I knew him from AFAR and actually in the

1482
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: eighty four Super Bowl, which is against San Francisco, I

1483
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 1: was a AFC pool reporter and so I went out

1484
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: every day and you know, talked to Sheil and spend

1485
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: time with him. And integrity is what he was all about.

1486
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: Everything was within the rules. And it was interesting because

1487
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,799
Speaker 1: a Chip Namias, so he used to be the PR director,

1488
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 1: posted something immediately after his death which tells you all

1489
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: you want to know about Don Shula, which was before

1490
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: I think it was a playoff game with Oakland. Larry

1491
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: Zonka got a playbook from Raiders. Somebody left it and

1492
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: he got a playbook. He took a shol and she

1493
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: was throw it away, and he did. He said, we're

1494
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: not doing that. He threw it away. Now in today's game,

1495
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that would happened, but he said throw

1496
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: it away. And he was always about everything had to

1497
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: be done on the up and up. And the thing

1498
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: that's remarkable about him. Everyone talked about the seventeen and

1499
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 1: zero season and the number wins. I agree with all that,

1500
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: but to me, the most remarkable achievement other than that

1501
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 1: seventeen and zero's the fact that he had two losing

1502
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 1: seasons in thirty three years too, get too, that's it.

1503
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: And you look at what's happened to Miami since he's left. Nothing,

1504
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: What happened to them before he got there. Nothing. He

1505
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: was a giant in a league of giants, But to me,

1506
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,799
Speaker 1: he was a guy you put on that Mount rushmore

1507
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: of coaches immediately. And as I said, integrity was everything

1508
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: that Don Shula was about. And when he died, that's

1509
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: what most of his players talked about. Clark. When when

1510
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: I played against him, we would sit over on our

1511
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: sidelines and we always had a bunch of tussles and

1512
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: really difficult games. They beat us a number of times

1513
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: as well, even in years where we were going to

1514
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl, but the Dolphins would come

1515
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: to Buffalo, or we would go to Miami and it

1516
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 1: would be Don Shula and Dan Marino and just a

1517
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: bunch of guys, and Don Shula really just asked his

1518
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,879
Speaker 1: players to do what they did best. He adapted his systems.

1519
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: I think that going forward is maybe as modern mindset

1520
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: as any coach even today. No question, Steve, you look

1521
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 1: at what he did when he at the Super Bowl.

1522
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: I got the Super Bowl with Role Moral got the

1523
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with Bob Greasy. You got the Super Bowl

1524
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: Dan Marino, who is the polar opposite of the quarterbacks

1525
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: that are playing at that time in the with Shula

1526
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 1: in the early seventies, mid seventies and early eighties. But

1527
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: when Marino came, they retooled the whole thing to fit

1528
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: Dan and weren't as successful as the Greefyers and certainly

1529
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: didn't have some of the players. But did you look

1530
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: at Bob Greasy through fourteen passes and won Super Bowl?

1531
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: By today's Dan sheld go what was going on? He

1532
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: built that team, you know, round defense, the no name

1533
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: defense and kick and Zonka and Mercury Morris and Paul Warfield.

1534
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys know how good Paul Warfield is

1535
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: because you've been in the game, been around it, you

1536
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: know how great he is. But people, honestly, today, I've

1537
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 1: had people look at me, go, how did this guy

1538
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 1: getting the Prootball Hall of Fame? You ever seen the numbers?

1539
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: They went, Oh my god. He was a great receiver.

1540
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: That was a different game at that time, and it

1541
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: was a different team. And Zonka used to say, they

1542
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: should take one yard of my yards per carry and

1543
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: give it to Warfield because he changed everything for me.

1544
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: They had that they had to look out for him,

1545
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: you know. And and so they were stacking the line

1546
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: for me. But but he made it easier because they'd

1547
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: have to put like two guys on far Warfield. Uh,

1548
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: he was a great player, but it was a completely

1549
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: different game and a completely different system. But you're right,

1550
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: he adapted to those players. And and someone asked me,

1551
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, what was the secret? And I asked Joe

1552
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: Horgan that and he goes consistency. But keep in mind

1553
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: he came from the Paul Brown Tree. I mean, it's

1554
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: a lot of success there, and um, I think, yeah

1555
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: it was. It's always a sad thing when when some

1556
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: guys that you you sort of looked up to when

1557
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: you were younger and had great success pass away. This

1558
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 1: one hit hard because, as I said, I was a

1559
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: Colts fan. I know what he did there. United wasn't

1560
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: a particularly fond of him fan of his, but um,

1561
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: but he got those teams to championship games. They won

1562
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: the sixty eight NFL Championship. Of course they know what

1563
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: happened in the Super Bowl. But the fact of the

1564
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: matter is wherever he went there was success and those

1565
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: teams were very successful. Moral United to making a difference,

1566
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: Greasy and then Marino And as I said, since he

1567
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: left Miami's done nothing. And keep in mind, Jimmy Johnson

1568
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: was down there with Dan Marino. We just put Jimmy

1569
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: Johnson the Hall of Fame, but it wasn't for what

1570
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: he did in Miami. Is what he did in Dallas. Yeah,

1571
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: good point. Hey Clark, thanks for this, good to talk

1572
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: with you. Stay healthy and we'll talk again sometime. Thanks

1573
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: always love talking to you guys, Thank you, thank you,

1574
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: Thanks Clark, appreciated Clark, judge, writer, host Talk of Fame Network,

1575
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: contributor to SI dot com. He wrote a piece about

1576
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: Mike Stratton Worth checking out a Talk of Fame network

1577
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 1: they recently departed Bill's linebacker and why he is not

1578
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 1: in consideration? Why shouldn't he be in consideration for the

1579
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame? Interesting stuff? Heir Twitter poll

1580
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 1: today the Bills getting set for twenty twenty. Which new

1581
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 1: addition to the Bills will have a bigger impact than

1582
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: their predecessor had? Is it Zach Moss for Frank Gore?

1583
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: Sixty three percent of you say that's the one. Is

1584
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,839
Speaker 1: that the defensive line a JP and SA Mario Addison

1585
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: for Jack Lawson. Twenty seven percent of you say that's it,

1586
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: six percent have something else in mind, four percent say

1587
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: it's Butler and Jefferson for Jordan Phillips. Let's discuss. Give

1588
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: us a call eight oh three fifty toy three one

1589
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty got tied

1590
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: for that. When we come back one, Bill's Live presented

1591
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: by Klatta Health. This is Buffalo Bills Rating. Welcome Back

1592
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: One goes live, John Murphy, Steve Tasker here until three

1593
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 1: o'clock today. Interesting discussion with Clark. Judge, he's got a

1594
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: good sense of history, Steve, Don't you think he really does?

1595
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: I mean, last time we had him on a couple

1596
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: of months ago, I guess he talked a lot about

1597
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: you in the Hall of Fame vote. This time. It

1598
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: was the Mike Stratton article that got my attention the

1599
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: other day, and I thought, that's we're talking about with Clark,

1600
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he's got a good sense

1601
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: of Buffalo fans. Are Buffalo fans are really familiar with

1602
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: Mike Stratton. Nobody, you know, fans around the country, maybe

1603
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: not particularly fans of NFL fans, And don't even think

1604
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 1: about the AFL anymore or what it meant to the

1605
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 1: football landscape. It was a completely different world back then

1606
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 1: because there were two leagues and different cities had different teams,

1607
01:17:55,680 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: and you know, the NFL with and it wasn't the

1608
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: NFL that we know today, the powerful, you know, eight

1609
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: hundred pounder really on the summer now it's it was

1610
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: just another league, and it's it's interesting to think about

1611
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: how the AFL, how good the AFL got, and all

1612
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: you have to say is it got good enough to

1613
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 1: force the NFL to merge. That's as good as it

1614
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: needed to be. And that tells you a lot about

1615
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 1: how powerful the AFL was. If if you know, you

1616
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: think the NFL is the be all end all, the

1617
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: AFL brought it to its knees. Yeah, the only thing.

1618
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: And I kind of made the argument against guys like

1619
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,799
Speaker 1: Stratton or Tom Sesteck, you know, being Hall of famers

1620
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 1: when I said this, and I don't believe this, but

1621
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 1: if I were an anti AFL guy, I would say, hey, okay,

1622
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 1: Jets beat US and Kansas City beat us before that,

1623
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: for most of the sixties, the AFL was not up

1624
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: to snuff. I think that would be an argument you

1625
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: could make. I don't know if I'd go for it,

1626
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: but I think you can make that, you know, I

1627
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: think you make that argument and those guys and how

1628
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: Billy Shaw got in is a very good question. I

1629
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: know he was great and he deserves to be in,

1630
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: But why is there a bias against Mike Stratton and

1631
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: uh and uh Tom Sesteck in particular, and Billy Shaw

1632
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: got in, you know what, ten and twelve years ago? Now?

1633
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 1: It's crazy? Well, so that that just that would be

1634
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: the same as today saying Murph that because you've played

1635
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: for the Cleveland Browns during your whole career, like Joe Thomas,

1636
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 1: you don't deserve because your team stunk. You know, that's

1637
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 1: an argument. Yeah, that's so you're you know, you're putting

1638
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,759
Speaker 1: a team accomplishment on the back of a left tackle

1639
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: or a left guard or whatever position you want. You

1640
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 1: can certainly easier to do that with a quarterback like

1641
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 1: like Archie Manning. Um, I mean the govern teams. Yeah,

1642
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm sorry to interrupt, Go ahead, finish. Are

1643
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 1: you finished? You know that? The simple fact is if

1644
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 1: if it it's a bad team that keeps it out

1645
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: of the Hall of Fame, nobody from those teams should

1646
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: ever be can se are either. The difference is that

1647
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 1: if it's if it's a league that's substandard, playing against

1648
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: the other substandard teams, you could argue, and I wouldn't

1649
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: buy this argument, but you could argue that, well, those

1650
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: guys don't belong in here with the NFL all kind

1651
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: of greats. They're they're at a different level in that

1652
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: entire league. And I'm talking about the early AFL and

1653
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 1: and believe me, I'm making this argument that I don't

1654
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: believe in just for the sake of argument, you know

1655
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I get it, And maybe in the

1656
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: early stages it's just true. You know, a fledgling league,

1657
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: you don't know how it's going to work. And the

1658
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 1: teams were losing money and they were shoestring budgets. Not

1659
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: that the NFL was any much different than that when

1660
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 1: you know during the days that they were were talking

1661
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 1: about right now, But uh, it didn't take long for

1662
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 1: the AFL not only to get good, but to get

1663
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: as good and able to beat teams in the NFL.

1664
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: It's just that simple. So uh. And they also played

1665
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 1: a game that, as Clark Judged demonstrated and said on

1666
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 1: our show, it was a very different game than the NFL.

1667
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: It was a much more skilled game, a much more

1668
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: high flying game, fast moving game than the NFL. And

1669
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: I would say take it in context of what it is,

1670
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 1: not in the context of something that it was not

1671
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: trying to be. Yeah, I'll get you anyway. Our Twitter

1672
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: poll today which new addition to the Bills will have

1673
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: a bigger impact than his predecessor? Is it? Zac Moss

1674
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: for Frank Gore aj and sa Mario Addison for Shack

1675
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: Lawson or Butler and Jefferson in cheerier defensive line for

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Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips. Give us a call to discuss eight O

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Speaker 1: three five fifty toll free one eight eight five fifty

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Speaker 1: two five fifty on the tweet sheet brought you by

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Speaker 1: Cargin Moving Systems, the official movers of the Buffalo Bills.

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01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: Flatbed Music says, I chose d other meaning digs for Jones.

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Speaker 1: Oh you read this one. Yeah, well we kind of.

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01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: We didn't go for that one. Dinah says for this year,

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01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm going with Moss for Gore. While Gore had a

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01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 1: good start to the season, he tapered off towards the end.

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01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:58,759
Speaker 1: I think Moss will do the opposite with an overall

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01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 1: increase in production. That's interesting. I could see that Zach

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01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 1: Muss taking a while to get his feet wet, getting

1688
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: used to the NFL and there to get your impact

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01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: down the stretching when they might need a more for

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01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: weather purposes, right when the weather's bad. Yeah, I think

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01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: it'll be. It'll be just the op I think Moss

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01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: you can count on being just the opposite of Gore.

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01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: Maybe start out slow, limited carries and then a flourishing.

1694
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: We lost his team. Let me read one more from

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01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet from j Salso Gore, Frank Gore taught

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01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: Singletary how to be a pro. Not easy to replace

1697
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: experience in leadership. That's a really good point. And look,

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01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 1: Frank Gore, I think it was didn't have a lot

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01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: to offer the Bills running game last year. He didn't.

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01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: He didn't and as he went on the season went on,

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01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: he offered less and less leadership. I think he offered

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01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: a lot. He mentored Devin Singletary, There's no question about that.

1703
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,799
Speaker 1: And there were others who were impacted by Frank Gore's

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01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: um being on that Buffalo roster last year. Leadership it

1705
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 1: really meant a lot, I think, especially Devin Singletary, but

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01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: maybe the more of them. Also from the tweet sheet

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01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: from us here from Tiffany, all due respect to Frank

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01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 1: gorey He's had a great career. As last season moved along,

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01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 1: his production decreased considerably. Zack Moss looks to be a

1710
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 1: physically tough runner, the perfect compliment to Motor. They have

1711
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 1: the potential to be lethal. One two punch and one

1712
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:26,799
Speaker 1: more from sipping to kool aid, most will doubt his chances,

1713
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: but I believe when the season coming around, the Tyler

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01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,719
Speaker 1: Bass the kicker, will have the biggest impact. Mc dermott

1715
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: and Bean are not afraid to go with rookie kickers.

1716
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: We went with a rookie punter two years ago. That's

1717
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: an interesting thought. It's going to be an interesting development.

1718
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how much preseason we're gonna have to

1719
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,679
Speaker 1: watch Tyler Batts. I don't know how much preseason Tyler

1720
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: Bass is going to have to try to win a

1721
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: job to show that he can make consistent, meaningful kicks

1722
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 1: at the NFL level. But it certainly is something to

1723
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 1: keep an eye on, no question about that. All Right,

1724
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 1: we got a break coming up here, and then we're

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01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: coming back with more. One Goes Live presented by Klada Hell.

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01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back, One Goes a Lot,

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01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Taser coming up at two. Jonathan Jones,

1728
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,600
Speaker 1: senior NFL reporter for CBS Sports, will be with us.

1729
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 1: You know, let's take stock of where the league is

1730
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: right now. He's talking about what if bands don't show up?

1731
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: What would that look like? Obi the impact mostly financially,

1732
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: and there's this that came out today the NFL's virtual

1733
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: ball off season has been extended another two weeks. A

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01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: memo issued the teams today, obtained by NFL networkin said

1735
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport. The league said that the virtual period for

1736
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 1: offseason workout programs has been extended through and including May

1737
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: twenty nine. That was supposed to end this Friday. So

1738
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: that's the program where Sean McDermott and his coaching staff

1739
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: get on the Zoom or one of those, you know,

1740
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 1: kind of joint platforms and have a team meeting and

1741
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 1: get them through workouts and get them in the meeting

1742
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:00,600
Speaker 1: room on a position by position base. It's not a

1743
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 1: big deal. I don't think anybody who's expected things to

1744
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: open up next week. They could have. It's just an

1745
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: official extension of that period for another couple of weeks.

1746
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 1: To right do anything, Yeah, I think, And some of

1747
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,839
Speaker 1: it has to be run through the CBA, the Collective

1748
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: Bargaining Agreement. I mean, I think the players are as

1749
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: just as interested in getting something done and making sure

1750
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 1: they because the better prepared they are to play Murph,

1751
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 1: the safer they are. And I think players understand that.

1752
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 1: I ain't even the union understands that, so they need

1753
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: to get something, some knowledge under their belt before they

1754
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,719
Speaker 1: actually tee it up, because the league has probably said, listen,

1755
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 1: when we're ready to go full go, we're gonna go

1756
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: and you better be ready. So give us a chance

1757
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: to get these guys acclimated so they can we can

1758
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: make it safer for him at least between their ears. Yeah,

1759
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,759
Speaker 1: and that's not going to happen. Mark Maski of Watchington

1760
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:51,719
Speaker 1: Posts says incremental cancelations of on field work by players

1761
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: during their team's offseason program canceled through the end of

1762
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 1: this month, so it's at least the start of June

1763
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 1: before teams get back. We don't know what that means us,

1764
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: and you don't care what that means to us. We'll see,

1765
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: we'll see what it means. June is usually the way

1766
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: this usually works. June is the month where everybody's gone anyway, right, Murph,

1767
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean the coaches clear out, the scouts, clear out,

1768
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: the everybody takes that one last month off of June

1769
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 1: before they go to training camp. On the bill schedule,

1770
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: they have a mini camp for like mid June, like

1771
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: the second weekend of June. I think June sixteenth or

1772
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: something is the last day and on the original schedule,

1773
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: and then they would break until training camp. You've got

1774
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: to believe if they don't have any kind of offseason program, well,

1775
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if that'll Maybe they'll still take that break,

1776
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, end of June and then get everybody back

1777
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:40,560
Speaker 1: in training camp. We'll see in a way, I was

1778
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,640
Speaker 1: thinking about the Saints because you know, Sean Payton had

1779
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 1: the famous so we'll see a training camp. Not a

1780
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: bad idea, but you wonder I would be interested. And

1781
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: it's too early to tell, it's only been a couple

1782
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: of weeks, but at some point I'd be interested in

1783
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: getting an honest answer from the Bills as to whether

1784
01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: these offseason workouts this video work physical and mental. If

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01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:02,640
Speaker 1: if there's value there, you know what I mean, you

1786
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: think there is, There's got to be some, right, Yeah,

1787
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: I think that's the question. How can you pack value

1788
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: into those you know, I mean, that's the real challenge.

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01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: How can you make them compelling and you know, hold

1790
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: guy's interests enough and keep hold them accountable away from

1791
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 1: the screen that they digest it. And it's it's a

1792
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: huge challenge and it's one that nobody's ever had to

1793
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 1: overcome before. But I'm with you, Murphy, I'd be interested

1794
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: to see, you know, what tools they have at their disposal,

1795
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: what those meetings look like, what they're trying to get done,

1796
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 1: and certainly they can do it, not only with as

1797
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 1: a team. While Sean McDermott gets on on a zoom

1798
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 1: meeting or whatever with you know, ninety guys plus the

1799
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: coaching staff, and then they break down offense and defense,

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01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 1: and they break down again into their position groups. It's

1801
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: a huge challenge to make those you know, productive, those

1802
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: meetings productively when they can't get on their feet and

1803
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 1: step out and walk through this stuff and just to

1804
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: get a look at it spatially really got to be

1805
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 1: difficult for these clubs. And I don't know that it's

1806
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: gonna be worth all the time they're spending on it. Yeah,

1807
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: which gets you back to Sean Payton. Maybe he was right.

1808
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna find out, I mean, hopefully we'll get a

1809
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 1: chance to find out. And you think this too. You know,

1810
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 1: they cancel it through May what they say last of May. Right,

1811
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: So we're we have been moving through for two months

1812
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 1: or thereabouts. You and I and everybody else have been

1813
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,839
Speaker 1: moving through this seeing maybe seven days in the future,

1814
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 1: and for eight weeks, the seven days has all have

1815
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: all looked the same. Those seven days out from us

1816
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: have not looked any different than they did three months ago. There,

1817
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: we just can't do anything. Nothing is happening, and they're

1818
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 1: trying to plan and maybe we're getting some signals that

1819
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: maybe in a few weeks those next seven days will

1820
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 1: look different, But for now we're locked down tight, we're

1821
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: sequestered where isolated. Everybody is and every that's everybody, and

1822
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 1: it's not changing. So it's really hard to get your

1823
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 1: mind around how anybody's getting any work done other than

1824
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: like you and me. Right, we're the only guy working

1825
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 1: in America, don't it. Even our producer Jay Harris is

1826
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 1: and isn't breaking a sweat. We're the only guys working

1827
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 1: in America. It's hard to get just keep telling yeah, right, yeah, yeah,

1828
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 1: that'll yeah. We don't get any feedback on that, all right,

1829
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: we're breaking It's crazy, man. It weren't a crazy it's

1830
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: crazy man. So it's tired. We're doing our thing, and

1831
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: even us and we were not on TV. We're usually

1832
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 1: on TV and all of that, and now you know,

1833
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 1: we don't even have to make sure I didn't shave

1834
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 1: Today's that would you, referring to We're gonna take a

1835
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 1: break and then we're coming back with Jonathan Joe and

1836
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: senior NFL reporter for CBS Sports. It's one Bill's Line

1837
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio One

1838
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 1: Bills Line. With the update today, the NFL has informed

1839
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: its teams that it's virtual offseason is now extended through

1840
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: the end of May. Initially, the virtual offseason went through

1841
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 1: May fifteenth. Now it goes through the end of May.

1842
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 1: It's a memo issued to teams today. The league announced

1843
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: that the virtual period for offseason workout programs extended through

1844
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 1: and including May twenty ninth. What impact will it have, Well,

1845
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 1: we don't know, as it says nothing about when training camp, etc.

1846
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: Might begin. A lot of Falcons coach then Quinn says

1847
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: the team has discussed having joint practices with the Buffalo

1848
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 1: Bills and the Miami Dolphins, first two opponents on the

1849
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 1: Falcons preseason schedule. Quinn cautioned the decision is not final though,

1850
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: with so much uncertainly regarding the pandemic, and I will

1851
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: affect the timing of teams for turning into the field.

1852
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: Clubs were notified to have the proper protocols for returning

1853
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 1: their staff, including players, to team facilities by Friday, two

1854
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: days away. NFL teams have agreed to raise the debt

1855
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 1: limit for each team from three hundred and fifty million

1856
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 1: to five hundred million for the twenty twenty season. League

1857
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,879
Speaker 1: and ownership sources told ESBM the agreement is a response

1858
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,759
Speaker 1: to the financial uncertainties The Raiders are finalizing in agreement

1859
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: and they have finalized in agreement with Venter and cornerback

1860
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 1: Prince Amukamara. He started ninety nine games in his career.

1861
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: He should compete for a starting job with Las Vegas

1862
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: at best. At least, he'll provide much needed experience and

1863
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 1: depth at the cornerback spot. Amukamara spent three years with

1864
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears, had forty four games and forty two

1865
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 1: starts and three interceptions. The Rams finally unveiled their new

1866
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: uniforms that will debut this season. The new look includes

1867
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: a blue jersey featuring yellow gradient numbers with interchangeable blue

1868
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 1: or yellow pants, and the governor of Arizona says he

1869
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: will open up the state for professional sports, including the NBA,

1870
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 1: the Major League Baseball, the NHL, and the NFL on Friday.

1871
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: They can resume without fans starting on Friday. There you go.

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01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 1: That is the update from One Bill's Live. John Murphy

1873
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker into our number three of the show right

1874
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 1: now and joining us on the line. Senior NFL reporter

1875
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 1: for CBS Sports. He's started a three part series on

1876
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: CBS sports dot com what a season without fans would

1877
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 1: mean for the NFL. Jonathan Jones on the line of

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01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: this Jonathan, John Murphy, Steve Tasker upper in Buffalo. Thanks

1879
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 1: coming on with us, Absolutely, guys. I appreciate you having

1880
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 1: me on, and I hope you and yours are healthy,

1881
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 1: safe and happy. Yeah, same need. We hope you're healthy

1882
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 1: as well. Look, nobody knows what's going to happen, but

1883
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 1: the more this drag on, the more it appears that

1884
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 1: there will be a season at least partially without fans,

1885
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 1: either you know, just a couple of fans in the stadium,

1886
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,719
Speaker 1: or a percentage of fans, or maybe even a shorter season.

1887
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 1: Right we're talking about getting ready for what is likely

1888
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: to happen. I would think com Yeah, and you know,

1889
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 1: this series kind of takes a look at sort of

1890
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 1: what is realistic as well as as just really what's likely,

1891
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 1: and that is that the NFL certainly wants to play

1892
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 1: all sixteen games because they, more than anything, would like

1893
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 1: to fulfill the obligations for the broadcast media rights. That

1894
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:57,560
Speaker 1: is where the bolt of the money comes from. But

1895
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 1: then you know, we say what they want do what

1896
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 1: is also realistic? They say they want to have a

1897
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 1: tax stadium. Well, I think anyone who has watched the

1898
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 1: news for any portion of the last couple of weeks,

1899
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 1: over these past sixty days understand that if you have

1900
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 1: a stadium of seventy thousand seats, that we're not going

1901
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 1: to have seventy thousand people in those seats within the

1902
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 1: next three and a half four months. And so the NFL,

1903
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 1: I believe fully and so to my sources, that they

1904
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 1: hope that as long as it is safe relatively safe

1905
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:28,560
Speaker 1: for players to play the game, that they will have

1906
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: those games played. And if it means in front of

1907
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 1: no fans, or if it means in front of a

1908
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:37,879
Speaker 1: portion of fans, depending on where the stadium is located,

1909
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,639
Speaker 1: in what state, and what those regulations are, they will

1910
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: do that. Is there a scenario you can see, Jonathan,

1911
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 1: where the league still turns a profit in a tough

1912
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 1: situation like this with no fans in the stands, but

1913
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: still having sixteen games. Is there a way that they

1914
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 1: do anything more than just keep their head afloat financially. Yeah,

1915
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 1: So it's an interesting question and is a difficult term.

1916
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 1: So let's look back at, you know, two years ago,

1917
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: at the Green Bay Packers, who obviously have to open

1918
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 1: up their books because they're a publicly owned company. They

1919
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 1: had a net operating profit just a year and a

1920
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: half ago of seven hundred and twenty thousand dollars, and

1921
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 1: that there was no pandemic going on there. Basically, a

1922
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 1: lot of these teams, you make a lot of money,

1923
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 1: you spend a lot of money. And so if you

1924
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 1: were missing out on eight home games and then you

1925
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 1: add two to it with the preseason ten home games,

1926
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 1: let's say you bring in about seven million dollars in

1927
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 1: ticket sales, and then you add on top of that

1928
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 1: concessions and parking. We're talking about, you know, close to

1929
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars for an average NFL team if

1930
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 1: there are zero fans in the stands for all ten

1931
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 1: home games, and so that's not money that you can

1932
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 1: make up. You can try to keep the money that

1933
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 1: you have there with certain sponsors, you can, you know,

1934
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: get creative with where you place advertising, advertisements and sponsorships,

1935
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 1: but you can't make up one hundred million dollars like that.

1936
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 1: And yet Jonathan Steve and I have talked about this

1937
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,679
Speaker 1: over the last few weeks. They balk in like seventy

1938
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 1: five percent of NFL team revenues come from broadcast rights,

1939
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 1: right from television rights. So it's what about a ten

1940
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: to fifteen percent come from ticket sales at least, I

1941
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,560
Speaker 1: know there's more in sponsorships, but it's only about a

1942
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 1: fifteen percent hit in terms of gate revenue. Right, Well,

1943
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 1: so you know the owners and the players, it all

1944
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 1: goes into the same pot broadcast rights. And then you

1945
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 1: start talking about the three main sources of money. And

1946
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 1: so you have league all revenue, which is basically the

1947
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 1: broadcast rights, and then you have the postseason slash NFL

1948
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 1: ventures and so that's money that NFL Network and NFL

1949
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 1: Films makes along with the money that all the teams

1950
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 1: that go into the postseason banke. And obviously that number

1951
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,640
Speaker 1: should be higher in twenty twenty with the addition of

1952
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: a seventh playoff team, and then you finally have local revenue.

1953
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 1: And so from each one of those three buckets you

1954
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,719
Speaker 1: then pull a percentage from that. I think it's something

1955
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:01,600
Speaker 1: like fifty five percent of broadcast rights money goes to

1956
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: the salary cap and forty percent of local revenue goes

1957
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 1: to the salary cap. And so obviously, once that local

1958
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 1: revenue number shrinks as drastically as it may it may do,

1959
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,600
Speaker 1: we're talking about a salary cap impact that would be

1960
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 1: in the tens of millions of dollars. Yeah, I want

1961
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 1: to answer to Jonathan and you write about it. It's

1962
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 1: a three part series on CBS Sports. It will impact

1963
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 1: the salary cap, but not this year, right, I mean,

1964
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:31,680
Speaker 1: theoretically players can make the money they were supposed to

1965
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 1: this year. Correct, that's right. That Hay's in the barn

1966
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,759
Speaker 1: on this year. We're not seeing what Major League Baseball

1967
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 1: is dealing with the NBA, of course, because they have

1968
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 1: a force masure clause in their CBA that is absent

1969
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 1: in the NFL. So in theory, you know, even if

1970
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 1: games are not played, the players should get their money

1971
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 1: up to a point of whatever they're contractually obligated to.

1972
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 1: Now I say all of that, and I talk about

1973
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,719
Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars in cap hits the NFL

1974
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 1: now that the players of the owners want that to happen,

1975
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 1: of course, because if the players are playing for a

1976
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 1: team that has a capit of fifty million or so dollars,

1977
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 1: a lot of those players aren't going to be finding employment.

1978
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 1: And so both sides are encouraged to go back to

1979
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 1: the table and figure out how to spread what will

1980
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 1: be a dip over a couple of years as you

1981
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 1: anticipate those spikes over the next couple of years, hopefully

1982
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 1: to spread out the losses that everyone obviously hopes would

1983
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: just be for this year. So in desperate times, we

1984
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: see people do desperate things and sometimes ingenious things, and

1985
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: you'll probably see creative ways that the NFL will try

1986
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 1: to get local sponsors, like like they do in college towns,

1987
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 1: like they'll have put advertising on the kicking net they'll

1988
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 1: put you know, they may have it go the way

1989
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: of NASCAR and start letting players put jersey sponsorships on,

1990
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, advertising on a patch on the jersey. I

1991
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 1: mean is do you anticipate something like we've never seen

1992
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL because the desperation of the league to

1993
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 1: turn a profit or and they can use this as

1994
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 1: an excuse going forward, or will it just be a

1995
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 1: one time thing And how do you see that playing out? Yeah,

1996
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: it really could go either way. I did a story

1997
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: last year around this time last year on the potential

1998
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 1: for jersey patches, the advertising patch on NFL jerseys, and

1999
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 1: I was very surprised by how against the NFL is

2000
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 1: these patches, this idea of patches, because at the time

2001
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 1: it seems like money that was on the table to

2002
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 1: be had. They may change their mind on that. Whether

2003
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 1: they have the infrastructure in place to make that sort

2004
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 1: of sponsorship agreement across thirty two teams and take that

2005
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:39,599
Speaker 1: money right now is to be seen. But to your

2006
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 1: other point, Yeah, the kicking that college football has given

2007
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 1: to advertisers and sponsors, you could do that in the NFL.

2008
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:50,679
Speaker 1: You'd have to relax the advertising rules in NFL stadiums

2009
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 1: that are pretty strict to protect the on field sponsors.

2010
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,800
Speaker 1: You could have ads around the wall the stadium wall

2011
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 1: like we see an international soccer game. You could potentially

2012
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:04,639
Speaker 1: tarp over some of those empty sections in the lower

2013
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:09,559
Speaker 1: bowl with advertisers. You could work with the broadcast partners

2014
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 1: to virtually place advertisements there. But the issue that you're

2015
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 1: going to run into, of course, is you don't want

2016
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 1: to coke versus PEPSI conflict. And so if you have

2017
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 1: an insurance provider, you can't have a rival insurance provider

2018
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 1: just because they're willing to pay you money. Right, you

2019
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 1: can't upset the people who are already giving you money.

2020
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: You can't see that money go out the door just

2021
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 1: for this season. So if you have what sports marketing

2022
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:35,640
Speaker 1: folks call an open category of sponsorships rather than a

2023
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:39,679
Speaker 1: closed one, you can attack that Reliva. Jonathan Jones, senior

2024
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,640
Speaker 1: NFL reporter at CBS Sports is three part series is

2025
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: up right now, two of them anyway, what a season

2026
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,400
Speaker 1: without fans would mean for the NFL. The big thing

2027
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 1: and the overriding thing it means, Jonathan, I think you

2028
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: point out early in one of your two first parts

2029
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 1: is that it means no growth in revenue, and that

2030
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 1: doesn't happen often, and it hasn't happened in a long

2031
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 1: time in the NFL that remed grow from year to year. Huh,

2032
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. Since twenty fourteen the salary cap has

2033
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 1: gone up at least ten million dollars. And honestly, with

2034
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 1: a lot of the deals that have been made with

2035
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 1: individual players, especially the big ticket players over the last

2036
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 1: couple of years, especially these last two, we've all been

2037
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:19,639
Speaker 1: made with the idea that, Okay, it's gonna be twenty

2038
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 1: twenty two, the broadcast rights are gonna be up, there's

2039
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 1: gonna these numbers are gonna be astronomical. There's gonna be

2040
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 1: a gigantic spike in the NFL salary cap. That's what

2041
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:31,640
Speaker 1: every puntent has been saying. That's what a lot of

2042
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:35,520
Speaker 1: teams have been operating under unless you budget your finances

2043
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 1: properly and don't count your chickens before your eggs before

2044
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 1: they hatch, right, And so what we're seeing now is

2045
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:46,919
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, balloons. And if you're the Atlanta Falcons,

2046
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: if you're the Philadelphia Eagles, who right now are already

2047
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:52,800
Speaker 1: over the salary cap for twenty twenty one under the

2048
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:57,080
Speaker 1: most optimistic of projections possible, those are teams that could

2049
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 1: be in trouble. And then you start looking at a

2050
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:02,639
Speaker 1: team like the Chiefs, Texans, the Cowboys, who have three

2051
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who each could fetch forty million dollars per year,

2052
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 1: and they all certainly deserve it. How are you going

2053
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 1: to pay them that sort of money? And certainly will

2054
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 1: you be liquid enough to do that. That's what we

2055
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:18,080
Speaker 1: just saw the debt ceiling being raised around the league

2056
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:20,080
Speaker 1: from three hundred and fifty million dollars per team to

2057
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars per team. So a lot of

2058
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 1: questions that are really going to have to be answered

2059
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 1: during the next couple of months, And in the next

2060
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 1: couple of months, you know, the calendar is going to

2061
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 1: keep rolling through. And even if so there is an

2062
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:37,719
Speaker 1: NFL season one which looks completely different than anyone we've seen.

2063
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: Is it still seem to be a race between how

2064
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 1: fast the Super Bowl gets here and how fast perhaps

2065
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 1: even a vaccine gets here. Certainly testing and enforcement of

2066
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:56,720
Speaker 1: social distancing in the stands, these are all obstacles that

2067
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 1: the league has to address before that time. But for

2068
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 1: right now, Tampa base still was planning on hosting the

2069
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in the league is moving ahead with maybe

2070
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 1: like glacier pace, but still about as unstoppable as a glacier.

2071
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 1: That well, you're exactly right, that's the perfect way of

2072
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 1: putting it is, and you know, the truth is, and

2073
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 1: out of the NFL's taking a lot of flak for this,

2074
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:19,919
Speaker 1: but the truth is they had to do free agency

2075
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,680
Speaker 1: and the draft at the times that they did in

2076
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 1: order to just get to the off season. And you

2077
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 1: know the fact is it's okay that they're not out

2078
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 1: there at OTAs right now. Would would you love to

2079
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:34,200
Speaker 1: be sure, of course, but it's an even playing field

2080
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:36,680
Speaker 1: for everyone. More than likely, we're not going to have

2081
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:38,760
Speaker 1: a mini camp in the middle of June, right And

2082
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:41,679
Speaker 1: we all sort of understand that. The issue has always

2083
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,200
Speaker 1: been make sure that you're in a position to hopefully

2084
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 1: be able to get out on the field by training camp,

2085
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 1: and you know, we all have our own opinions on that,

2086
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:53,759
Speaker 1: and I do understand that. But this is all about

2087
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 1: getting sixteen games per team in and the Super Bowl

2088
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:01,400
Speaker 1: can be played in Tampa the first week of February.

2089
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 1: But Tampa as a city, as a host city that

2090
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:07,560
Speaker 1: has done this three or four times before, is prepared

2091
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 1: to push the Super Bowl if they have to. It's

2092
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,519
Speaker 1: not peak convention season in Tampa. In the Tampa Saint

2093
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:16,560
Speaker 1: Pete area. All you have to do is kind of

2094
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: hold down the hotel rooms. There's nothing going on at

2095
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,439
Speaker 1: Raymond James Stadium that can't be moved in the month

2096
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 1: of February, and so they want to get all the

2097
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Speaker 1: sixteen games in. And if that means riding the wave

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01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:32,320
Speaker 1: of a vaccine or more realistically, therapeutic treatments, I could

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01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 1: see a season being pushed for a month, a month

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01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:37,640
Speaker 1: and a half, but still getting all sixteen games in

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Speaker 1: and then playing the Super Bowl in late February or

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Speaker 1: early March. Jonathan Jones cbsports dot com. He's written a

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Speaker 1: three part series what a season without fans would mean

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Speaker 1: for the NFL. Jonathan, The first two parts up yesterday

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01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:53,439
Speaker 1: and today, deal with financial implications, obviously with salary cap etc.

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Speaker 1: Have you done any dive, I guess I'm asking what tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: How Part three is about. Have you done a eve

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01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 1: into what it might look like as far as fans themselves,

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01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: what the stadium atmosphere might be like, that sort of thing.

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01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting and you hit the you hit

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Speaker 1: the nail on the head, and so you know, part

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Speaker 1: of it is I spoke with folks who all said

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be eerie, and you know, you might be

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01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 1: able to to. You know, one thing that's not going

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01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 1: to be in tomorrow's story was an interesting thought as

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01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:23,160
Speaker 1: some of the players on the field, you know, you

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01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:25,879
Speaker 1: have that adrenaline goal and you're playing, you're playing professional

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01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,200
Speaker 1: football at the highest level, and you're in the huddle

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01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:30,600
Speaker 1: and the quarterback is shouting out to play to the

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Speaker 1: ten other guys in the huddle. Well, you don't shout

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01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:36,120
Speaker 1: it out too wildly because the defense is right there. Yeah,

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01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be able to hear it. Right. Uh,

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01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:41,840
Speaker 1: that's gonna you know, or or the guy's gonna huddle, uh,

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01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:44,519
Speaker 1: you know, farther away from the line of scrimmage than

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01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:48,599
Speaker 1: we have seen before. Is one interesting thing. But I'm

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01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 1: happy to go ahead and say that Tomorrow's is going

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01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:52,920
Speaker 1: to take a very, very in depth look at the

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01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 1: idea of home field advantage and how home field advantage

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01:44:57,160 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 1: may or may not be impacted with with zero fans

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01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 1: in the stands, Because there is a theory out there

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01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 1: that has been tested by many economists and statisticians and

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01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 1: sociologists that the greatest impact of home field advantage actually

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01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:16,040
Speaker 1: is with the officials and how the officials are affected

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01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 1: by seventy thousand screaming people on top of them all

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01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 1: wanting them to call something one way when in their

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01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 1: minds they are unbiased. And so it's going to be

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01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,320
Speaker 1: interesting to see if we play all of these games

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01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:30,679
Speaker 1: without fans, it'll be the great experiment of what really

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01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:35,679
Speaker 1: motivates home field advantage. One of the ancilliary benefits perhaps

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01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 1: of this pandemic and no fans in the stands, there's

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01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:40,719
Speaker 1: going to be no other way to watch the games

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01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 1: unless you watch it on television. Do you The TV

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01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:47,720
Speaker 1: networks anticipate getting a huge benefit from this because their

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01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 1: ratings are going to skyrocket because nobody's going to be

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01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:53,560
Speaker 1: in the stands to watch, and the only way to

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01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:55,639
Speaker 1: see these things are going to be to watch them live,

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01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 1: and there's and it's going to be a fan base

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01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 1: that's going to be starved for life sports. Yeah, it's

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01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:03,800
Speaker 1: a it's a great point, and you know it was

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01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:07,679
Speaker 1: as part of the series. It was not necessarily something

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01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 1: that that I took a look at, but I think

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01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, what you're seeing is one hundred percent true

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01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 1: according to common sense that, uh, if folks can't go

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Speaker 1: to the games, if this is certainly the only show

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01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 1: in town, if you're between seasons on a couple of

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01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 1: these other UH sporting events, that if this is the

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01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 1: only way that you can get your your your football fix,

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01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 1: especially if there is no college football this season. Depending

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01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:35,439
Speaker 1: on what certain universities and conferences do, I think one

2160
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 1: thing leads to another, you would have to expect that

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01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 1: we'd see ratings unlike we've seen in any year. And Jason,

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Speaker 1: and what do you think of the Dolphins thing that?

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01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a leak. I think

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Speaker 1: their CEO just said it on Good Morning in America.

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Speaker 1: They're social distancing plans. Uh. You know, if the stadium

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Speaker 1: is allowed to open the twenty five percent capacity, nobody out,

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01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:58,240
Speaker 1: no other no, none of the other thirty one teams

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Speaker 1: have kind of put that out. What did you think

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01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 1: of the Dolphins putting that out there? And how was

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01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 1: that received around the league? Yeah, it wasn't received all

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01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:07,559
Speaker 1: that well. There's a reason that there's only one team

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01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:10,360
Speaker 1: out there with this policy, and that's because this policy

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01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:13,799
Speaker 1: was with lacking. If you will listen, it's very easy

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Speaker 1: to say that we're going to allow a percentage of

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Speaker 1: folks into the stands, and honestly, that's the easiest part

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Speaker 1: of this. You can have a computer algorithm. You place

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Speaker 1: your stadium in there, you map it out. You figure

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Speaker 1: out what's six feet to the left, right, front and

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Speaker 1: behind of you, and you place those those fans in

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Speaker 1: those seats. The issue has become what about concessions? And

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01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,120
Speaker 1: how do you feed people? And how do you feed

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Speaker 1: people safely? Is your venue cashless? Are you gonna do

2183
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Speaker 1: Apple pay your credit cards? Are you're going to handle cash?

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Speaker 1: What about your restroom facilities? Are they motion activated? Are

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Speaker 1: they touchless? How why are your concourses? Because you can

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Speaker 1: tell people, all right, we're going to file you in

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Speaker 1: at different gates, But what happens when they are, you know,

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01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 1: lingering around and going to get a beer and then

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01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:02,000
Speaker 1: you tell of hey, we're gonna file you out like

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01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:04,400
Speaker 1: a church and one role and in the next row

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01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:06,639
Speaker 1: and in the next row. Well, I don't know again, guys,

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Speaker 1: if you've watched if you watched the news lately, But

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01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 1: folks aren't too happy at being told how to do

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01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:15,280
Speaker 1: things right now, and then they're started congregating in public

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01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 1: areas and not bocually acceptable ways. And so I think

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Speaker 1: that a lot of folks around the league look to

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01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:25,599
Speaker 1: the Dolphins and said, yeah, I see that you're putting

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Speaker 1: it out there, but there has to be so much

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Speaker 1: more to this plan. And then, really the main point

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01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:32,640
Speaker 1: that I want to make here is, let's say that

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Speaker 1: you do get fifteen thousand people in the in the stands.

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Speaker 1: Who are those fifteen thousand people? Are they season ticket holders?

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01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: Are you putting those season ticket holders anywhere close to

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01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 1: where they have season tickets? What about the single game

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01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 1: tickets that you just sold on Ticketmaster last week when

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01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:47,879
Speaker 1: the schedule came out. How are you going to refund

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01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 1: those or put those people into a lottery. All of

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01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:53,880
Speaker 1: these questions have to be answered, and we're left unanswered

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Speaker 1: with a Dolphins plan that really was about a minute

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01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:58,680
Speaker 1: and a half presentation that could have been done by

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01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:03,560
Speaker 1: middle score right, John, and I got you spent some

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01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:08,120
Speaker 1: time in Charlotte covering the Panthers, and I was in

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01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 1: here in Western New York. Murph and I've been talking

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01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,599
Speaker 1: to Bill's fans who have watched Brandon Bean and Sean

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01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:17,519
Speaker 1: McDermott build this roster this season, a pretty strong roster

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01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:20,240
Speaker 1: for a season that may or may not happen. But

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01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:23,960
Speaker 1: after watching those two, Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott and

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01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:26,960
Speaker 1: Charlotte for a few years, and now seeing what they've

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01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 1: done in Buffalo, what do you think about this Bill's

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01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 1: roster and his chances in the twenty twenty season. Yeah,

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01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:34,400
Speaker 1: I think they have a fantastic chance. They are they are,

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01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 1: without a doubt, my favorites to win the division. I understand.

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott, in a recent interview, said that the Patriots

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01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:43,080
Speaker 1: I have won it for X amount of years, so

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01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:46,440
Speaker 1: they're they're at the top. That sounds like classic Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 1: And I remember, of course, when he was defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: of the Panthers and I was covering that team for

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01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 1: the Charlotte Observer. He was he was always preparing himself

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01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:57,120
Speaker 1: for this role, and I always knew he would be

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01:49:57,160 --> 01:50:00,680
Speaker 1: a great head coach. But he very much believed in

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01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,240
Speaker 1: coach speak. And I mean that in the most in

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01:50:03,320 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 1: the kindest and most sincere terms. But that's what a

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01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 1: coach just like Sean McDermott, the same guy who came

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01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:12,200
Speaker 1: prepared with note cards that his defensive coordinator media sit

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01:50:12,280 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 1: down weekly. Uh. I'm not at all surprised to hear

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01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:16,680
Speaker 1: him say that. I can tell you that there are

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01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:19,679
Speaker 1: a number of Panther fans, a number of Panther fans,

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01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:22,960
Speaker 1: the majority of them who regret Brandon Bean was ever

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01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 1: let outside of the building, the Bills have a fantastic

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Speaker 1: general manager and great evaluator for talent in being I

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01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:33,760
Speaker 1: love the moves that they made this year this offseason.

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01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:37,280
Speaker 1: I thought the Stefan Digs trade was really good. I

2243
01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 1: think that the DeAndre Hopkins trade made that compensation for

2244
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 1: Diggs look like more than it should have been. That's

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01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 1: what you should trade for to get a talent like

2246
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:49,880
Speaker 1: Stefan dis I did think they overpaid for Vernon Butler

2247
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 1: considering his lack of production over the years. That was

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01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 1: the one where I was like, yeah, that's probably too

2249
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:58,559
Speaker 1: much money they gave him on that two year deal.

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Speaker 1: But if they win to the vision, it really ultimately

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01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I'm interested to see Josh Allen. I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, and you guys certainly know this

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01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:10,479
Speaker 1: better than I. I think a lot of people have already,

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01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 1: you know, have died in the whole ideas on Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen and what his career is going to be. And

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01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I didn't love him coming out of

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01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,960
Speaker 1: college struggling in his first year. I love the improvement

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01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:23,560
Speaker 1: last year. And did he make every single throw? No

2259
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:25,800
Speaker 1: he didn't. Did he come up clutch every single time? No,

2260
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,880
Speaker 1: he did. But also covered Cam Newton in years two, three, four,

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Speaker 1: And that's a guy who didn't do all of those

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01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:33,680
Speaker 1: things in year two and year three. But you just

2263
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:36,559
Speaker 1: waited to see if that improvement would happen and which

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01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 1: Cam it didn't. I'm not saying that it will happen

2265
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:41,120
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen, but I am willing to wait to

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01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 1: see if it does before making my final decision on

2267
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:47,720
Speaker 1: the young quarterbacks. Johnathan, thanks for this. Good to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. Thanks very much. Hey, I appreciate it. Guys,

2269
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Jonathan Johnson Jones, senior NFL reporter for CEBIA Sports.

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01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 1: He's got two of three parts up right now, what

2271
01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 1: a season without fans would mean for the NFL part

2272
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:03,120
Speaker 1: free going up tomorrow. It's definitely worth the read. Look,

2273
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 1: he's not just guessing either, Steve, and he's interviewed. I

2274
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:08,800
Speaker 1: think he said dozens, if not more than that, of

2275
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 1: NFL executives getting their thoughts about a lot of cap issues,

2276
01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 1: a lot of financial issues, that he details and parts

2277
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,400
Speaker 1: one and two tomorrow he'll get into is there a

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01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:20,439
Speaker 1: home field advantage to be had if there are, you know,

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01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:22,719
Speaker 1: a percentage or no fans at all in the stadium.

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01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:25,680
Speaker 1: He's done his homework on this, Yeah, and he's got

2281
01:52:25,720 --> 01:52:27,559
Speaker 1: it laid out too. If you if you're ever curious

2282
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:30,000
Speaker 1: about the financials of an NFL team, The Green Bay

2283
01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:33,160
Speaker 1: Packers the ones that he spoke about, he's got their revenue,

2284
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 1: income and expense sheet printed in their art. This last

2285
01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:40,840
Speaker 1: article about you know how many millions they bring in,

2286
01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:43,400
Speaker 1: where it goes, how much everything costs, and how much

2287
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:46,519
Speaker 1: their profit margin was. He talked about a narrow profit margin.

2288
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:49,600
Speaker 1: The Green Bay Packers have got a narrow one. They

2289
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 1: made eight point three million dollars last year and with

2290
01:52:54,439 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 1: expenses of over four hundred and seventy seven million, it's

2291
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:01,439
Speaker 1: a pretty small return on a pretty big, big valuable commodity.

2292
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:05,160
Speaker 1: And that'll give you an idea of why the NFL

2293
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,840
Speaker 1: isn't gonna just shrug this pandemic off. I mean this

2294
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:09,760
Speaker 1: is gonna I think this is gonna dent be the

2295
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:12,559
Speaker 1: car of the NFL driving down there. I don't think

2296
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 1: this is just a you know, I don't think this

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01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:15,560
Speaker 1: is a bump in the road. I think this is

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01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 1: a fender bender. And as he said, it doesn't necessarily

2299
01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:23,320
Speaker 1: impact this year's salaries, but next year it will if

2300
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:25,960
Speaker 1: the cap goes down. And one of the point we

2301
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance talking about the NFL's middle class, right,

2302
01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:31,120
Speaker 1: always gets hit. They'll get hit here. You don't have

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01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 1: to worry about the young guys. The rookies will get

2304
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:35,960
Speaker 1: the rookie wage scale or the stars. But it's the

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01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:38,680
Speaker 1: guy's in the middle, who, you know, Tyler Man a

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Speaker 1: cab quite frankly, who might feel it if the cap

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01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:43,800
Speaker 1: goes down, Right, nobody's gonna pay guys in the middle

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01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:45,720
Speaker 1: that much money that much and they certainly are not

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01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:47,560
Speaker 1: going to play him more money if they take a

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01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:49,639
Speaker 1: hit in the salary cap this year. Yeah, I think

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01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 1: we're not going to feel the ramifications of this until

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01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 1: the next round of contracts next offseason. This next year

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01:53:56,439 --> 01:53:59,559
Speaker 1: from now, you may see it. You will start getting

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01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 1: for ject actions for the salary cap sometime late in

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01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:07,880
Speaker 1: the season this year, and whether it goes up or

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01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:11,400
Speaker 1: down is going to, you know, depend on the That's

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01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:13,479
Speaker 1: what those guys will be watching and You're right. Somebody

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01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:16,240
Speaker 1: always gets nicked when it goes down. If there's gonna

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01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 1: be a salary cap that shrinks for the first time ever,

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01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:22,280
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a group of players that feel it

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Speaker 1: and maybe feel it in their pocketbook. Hopefully they only

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01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 1: feel it in their pocketbook and it doesn't end their career. Yep,

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Speaker 1: all right, we got a break. We got full lines

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Speaker 1: open when we return eight oh three zero five fifty

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Speaker 1: toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two five

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Speaker 1: fifty if you have if you're on the hold right now,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to you. You have a comment, question about anything,

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Speaker 1: our Twitter poll or anything else, give us a call.

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Speaker 1: We're back with more. One Go Slide presented by Allada Health.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back one Go Slide,

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Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Tasker coming to you from until three

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01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 1: o'clock today. Jonathan Jonathan Jone. He's interesting Steve again, he's

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01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:04,520
Speaker 1: not just throwing darts, and a lot of people are

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01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:06,760
Speaker 1: throwing darts t cs, but he's not throwing darts. He's

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01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:09,160
Speaker 1: done some talking to NFL people and got kind of

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01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:12,000
Speaker 1: a survey of what they think it would look like

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01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:15,280
Speaker 1: if there are no fans that he was pretty realistic too,

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01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:20,240
Speaker 1: if now what they've sacrificed this offseason as well about listen,

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01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 1: nobody cares if they have rookie mini camps. You know,

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01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:27,240
Speaker 1: nobody really cares. If you know they're not getting in

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01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:31,240
Speaker 1: their their OTAs and all that stuff. What really counts

2342
01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:33,480
Speaker 1: is when they've got to tee it up. Are they

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01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:38,360
Speaker 1: gonna get sixteen full games a season in the league

2344
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 1: really wants to do that, and they're working hard towards

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01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:44,040
Speaker 1: making it happen, and all of a sudden ancilliary stuff

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01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:46,440
Speaker 1: coming up and leading up to the preseason or however

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01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:49,560
Speaker 1: the preseason looks, whether it's four games or one game,

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01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:53,920
Speaker 1: it's all beside the point when it gets through having

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01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:57,320
Speaker 1: the regular season in the playoffs because of the TV money.

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01:55:57,600 --> 01:56:00,040
Speaker 1: Might be because of the TV money. That's it, and

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01:56:00,440 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm all for it. But compressive preseason, get rid of

2352
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:08,400
Speaker 1: it all together. Give them three weeks of practice and

2353
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:11,320
Speaker 1: maybe a scream. I don't care. But when the season

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01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:13,440
Speaker 1: kicks off, if they can go on time and get

2355
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:16,120
Speaker 1: with no even with no fans, let alone twenty five

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01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:18,440
Speaker 1: percent of the fans, they can do it with no fans.

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01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:22,720
Speaker 1: The league's gonna keep rolling on yep. Eight fifty twelve

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Speaker 1: three one eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Got

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Speaker 1: a call here from Frank in Checktawagah. Frank around the

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Speaker 1: air with us. How are you doing, guys? Good? Great,

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01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:35,040
Speaker 1: talking to the two hardest guys that in the old

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01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:38,680
Speaker 1: United States that are working. Yeah, there you go, just

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01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:42,280
Speaker 1: to ask them, Yeah, just ask us. I know, I

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01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:43,840
Speaker 1: want to comment on the front of that called in

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01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:46,400
Speaker 1: about the old way I fell and all that, and yeah,

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01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:49,360
Speaker 1: I remember them days because I lived them days. And

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01:56:50,120 --> 01:56:52,320
Speaker 1: Stratton probably does deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

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01:56:52,360 --> 01:56:54,120
Speaker 1: But there's some guys in that team on the defensive

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01:56:54,160 --> 01:57:00,200
Speaker 1: side of the ball, George Thames and unfortunately for big

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01:57:00,240 --> 01:57:02,960
Speaker 1: Bull from the State, he got hurt. He's only in

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01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:04,640
Speaker 1: the league about five years and then he had to

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01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:10,240
Speaker 1: walk off. Just that. Yeah, yeah, And then you had

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01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:12,760
Speaker 1: I'll say that defense. You might think I'm full of it,

2374
01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:15,800
Speaker 1: but I'd put that defense against the eighty five Bears.

2375
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:19,360
Speaker 1: I watched them plays. I mean they would tear your

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Speaker 1: head off. They had McDole, Sastak, Gunaway, Hey good Clark, Putchbird, Stratton,

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01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:32,040
Speaker 1: Harry Jacobs. I mean they had they had a really tough,

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01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 1: tough defense. And you know, Clark Judge, if you read

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01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 1: this piece about Mike Stratton, he points out, they went

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01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:40,320
Speaker 1: through the second half of the sixty four season and

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01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 1: the first half of the sixty five season, I think

2382
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:46,040
Speaker 1: without giving up a rushing touchdown. Nothing, nobody got on

2383
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:47,960
Speaker 1: the end zone on the ground for a full year.

2384
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:54,000
Speaker 1: That's amazing, it is. And unfortunately for the Buffalo organization,

2385
01:57:54,440 --> 01:57:57,400
Speaker 1: when Louise Saban walked out to the door, he walked

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01:57:57,400 --> 01:58:00,160
Speaker 1: out with the championship team with him. They brought and

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01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:03,160
Speaker 1: Johnny Rousch and he dismantled the team and the rest

2388
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:07,760
Speaker 1: is all history. They never started winning tilmen. So I

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01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:09,480
Speaker 1: just want to give a shout out to those old

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01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:12,720
Speaker 1: AFL guys. Uh. My brother, my oldest brother, knew some

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01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:15,080
Speaker 1: of them guys personally. They stayed with him when they

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01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:17,520
Speaker 1: were going through training camp, go to his house and

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01:58:17,680 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 1: drink beer and eat spaghetti. It's great, great story, Yeah,

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01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:25,520
Speaker 1: it really is. It's the problem with with the past.

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01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 1: It gets further and further away. Just like the teams

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01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:30,200
Speaker 1: of Super Bowl teams that I played on, they get

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01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:33,080
Speaker 1: further and further away, not not closer and closer. They

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01:58:33,120 --> 01:58:35,600
Speaker 1: get dimmer and dimmer in your memory, not better and

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01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 1: more bright in your in your memory. And that's the

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01:58:38,360 --> 01:58:41,240
Speaker 1: problem we have with guys like Mike Stratton and and

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01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:45,080
Speaker 1: uh done Away and Sess Tack and all of those

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01:58:45,160 --> 01:58:50,880
Speaker 1: guys who really had fantastic careers that you know, because

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01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:53,240
Speaker 1: they weren't recognized they were off. They were in the

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01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:56,120
Speaker 1: other league at the time, the AFL. They're never going

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01:58:56,160 --> 01:58:58,800
Speaker 1: to get there the reward or the credit that they

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01:58:58,840 --> 01:59:01,400
Speaker 1: deserve for being really good ball players. Yeah, you and

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01:59:01,560 --> 01:59:04,480
Speaker 1: Clark Judge touchdown at Steve. But I think it's probably true.

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01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:07,480
Speaker 1: Many of the electors now the Pro Football Hall of Electors,

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01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't know about many, but several I'm sure don't

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01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:13,320
Speaker 1: even remember the American Football League. So how could they

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01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:15,480
Speaker 1: be called upon to vote for some of those people? Right,

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01:59:16,240 --> 01:59:17,960
Speaker 1: they don't even remember. They weren't even be like asking

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01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:20,760
Speaker 1: me to vote for all American Football Conference players. I

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01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:22,280
Speaker 1: didn't see them play. What would I know about that?

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01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:24,320
Speaker 1: And you think about guys like Larry Fells or who

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01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:27,919
Speaker 1: did experience it. He's been he's been gone for decades,

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01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, he's been gone for um twenty plus years. Um,

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01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:36,920
Speaker 1: it's it's it's tough. It's really tough. Guys who really

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01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:40,040
Speaker 1: had a voice like Will McDonough, you know, guys who

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01:59:40,120 --> 01:59:42,680
Speaker 1: had the voice, who remember those days, who covered those

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01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:46,040
Speaker 1: players and who covered the NFL as well, could put

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01:59:46,120 --> 01:59:49,320
Speaker 1: it into context. Um, they're gone, they're no longer with us,

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01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:51,200
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a sad part of it. I

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01:59:51,240 --> 01:59:54,040
Speaker 1: think it's good that guys like Clark Judge An attempt,

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01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, attempt to keep it alive as much as

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01:59:56,680 --> 01:59:58,800
Speaker 1: they can, right. I think that's good. I think, yeah,

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01:59:59,160 --> 02:00:02,080
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's worthy cause it's it's certainly

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Speaker 1: serves the benefit of the guys, not not just back then,

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02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:09,120
Speaker 1: but also now. It gives the whole league and the

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Speaker 1: players today a context of which you know what their

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02:00:11,320 --> 02:00:17,280
Speaker 1: accomplishments really mean. UM. I know, for me, the greatest

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02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:19,560
Speaker 1: compliments you ever get as a player come from guys

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02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:23,080
Speaker 1: you played with and against. Um, those are the ones

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02:00:23,120 --> 02:00:25,760
Speaker 1: that really mean something. And to go back and hear

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02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:28,840
Speaker 1: the guys that those guys played with and against, it's

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Speaker 1: it's pretty enlightening. YEP eight fifty toll free one eight

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Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty Let's do true false NFL

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02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:39,680
Speaker 1: true false brought to you by Yancey's Fancy New York's

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02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:42,760
Speaker 1: artist and cheese. Already here we go, Steve. True false

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Speaker 1: number one. It'll be easier for Daniel Jones to lead

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02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:48,960
Speaker 1: the New York Giants without Eli Manning in the rooms.

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Speaker 1: True or false? I'll say false, really uh, mainly because

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02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:56,840
Speaker 1: of the kind of guy Eli Manning is. Um Eli

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02:00:56,960 --> 02:00:59,720
Speaker 1: would not have made it difficult for Daniel Jones. He

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02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:03,880
Speaker 1: would have helped him, and he would have behind the scenes,

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02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:07,200
Speaker 1: off off the camera, away from things, in private conversations.

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02:01:07,240 --> 02:01:09,600
Speaker 1: He would have done everything he could to help Daniel

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02:01:09,680 --> 02:01:11,520
Speaker 1: Jones through it. I think if there's not very many

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02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:13,880
Speaker 1: guys who would, but I think Eli Manning is one

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02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:17,160
Speaker 1: of the guys who would have been an asset under

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02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:20,680
Speaker 1: any circumstances to a quarterback for the New York Giants.

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02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:25,080
Speaker 1: Eli was a team guy, a helper. He wasn't a

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02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:27,800
Speaker 1: me guy ever, and he knew how to handle the media.

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02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:30,360
Speaker 1: He did it so well for so long. He would

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02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:32,440
Speaker 1: have been a plus for Daniel Jones. It's hard for

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02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:36,120
Speaker 1: me to think Daniel jones job's going to be easier

2457
02:01:36,440 --> 02:01:38,200
Speaker 1: or the New York Giants are going to be better

2458
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:41,320
Speaker 1: without Eli Manning. I will disagree with there, I think,

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02:01:42,160 --> 02:01:44,240
Speaker 1: and nothing against Eli, but just having him in the

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02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:48,040
Speaker 1: room I think would put some uncertainty in Daniel jones head,

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02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:51,280
Speaker 1: Like I've got this icon over here, who I'm the

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02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:53,440
Speaker 1: quarterback of this team nowl and this guy's sitting over here,

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02:01:53,480 --> 02:01:55,840
Speaker 1: who might disagree with me? Who knows if he's gonna

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02:01:55,880 --> 02:01:58,320
Speaker 1: say it publicly, Probably won't know an Eli, but I

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02:01:58,360 --> 02:02:00,240
Speaker 1: would disagree. I would think it's got to be a

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02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:02,720
Speaker 1: load off the mind of Daniel Jones out to El

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Speaker 1: Manning in there all right? Part two? NFL True or false?

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02:02:05,480 --> 02:02:10,400
Speaker 1: Another Manning question, Peyton Manning would make a good NFL owner?

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02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:14,280
Speaker 1: True or false? What do you think? Can I go first?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say false. I think false. I think he's

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02:02:16,600 --> 02:02:19,600
Speaker 1: too public. I think he'd like Look, he hasn't done

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02:02:20,280 --> 02:02:22,800
Speaker 1: Monday night football, Sunday night football, like he's been offered

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02:02:22,840 --> 02:02:24,920
Speaker 1: and asked to report league. But I do think he's

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02:02:24,920 --> 02:02:27,200
Speaker 1: too public. I do think he likes the limelight. I

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02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:30,120
Speaker 1: do think he would He would be the central figure

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02:02:30,440 --> 02:02:32,560
Speaker 1: as the owner of whatever team he worked for, or

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02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:34,480
Speaker 1: as a general manager for that matter. He would be

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02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:37,720
Speaker 1: the guy that everybody would go to expecting answers and

2479
02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:40,520
Speaker 1: humor and entertainment, and I don't think that'd be a

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02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:42,920
Speaker 1: good mix. I think the best teams have their owners

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02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:45,160
Speaker 1: in the background a little bit. So I would say false,

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02:02:46,840 --> 02:02:50,360
Speaker 1: I'll say true. I think he'd be a really good owner.

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02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:54,160
Speaker 1: He's really sharp. He would know all the ins and outs.

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02:02:54,240 --> 02:02:56,840
Speaker 1: He would He's the kind of guy that you know

2485
02:02:56,880 --> 02:02:59,480
Speaker 1: how those guys are. He needs to know everything, and

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02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:02,280
Speaker 1: he's a sharp guy. And while he might be one

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02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:04,560
Speaker 1: of those owners who dips his fingers in the pie

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02:03:04,600 --> 02:03:07,000
Speaker 1: a little too often, I don't think he'd be making

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02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:09,440
Speaker 1: bad decisions. And I think he'd be one of the

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02:03:09,480 --> 02:03:12,720
Speaker 1: owners who doesn't parachute in to make a decision, but

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02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:14,840
Speaker 1: would listen to the right people and trust the people

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02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:17,560
Speaker 1: he has. I think he would be an excellent executive.

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02:03:17,560 --> 02:03:19,800
Speaker 1: I think he'd be an outstanding guy to run a franchise,

2494
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:24,520
Speaker 1: and as an owner, I think his leadership qualities would

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02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:27,040
Speaker 1: serve him really well. So I think he might be

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02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:30,080
Speaker 1: one of the maybe the great owners of all time

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02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:34,680
Speaker 1: if he got the job. It came about the job

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02:03:34,760 --> 02:03:38,040
Speaker 1: there somehow, right. Yeah, here's the closest thing we have

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02:03:38,120 --> 02:03:40,280
Speaker 1: to a Peyton Manning running a team. Is John Elway?

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02:03:40,600 --> 02:03:42,400
Speaker 1: How do you think his tenure is gone? Is the

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02:03:42,480 --> 02:03:44,680
Speaker 1: guy in charge of the broacos. I would say, I say, well,

2502
02:03:44,720 --> 02:03:47,640
Speaker 1: how many Super Bowls he's been to as with Elway

2503
02:03:47,680 --> 02:03:51,360
Speaker 1: in the front office? Yeah, just just one? Right? Oh?

2504
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:55,520
Speaker 1: I think he went to two. He won one with

2505
02:03:55,680 --> 02:03:58,320
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and they lost one with Peyton Manning and

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02:03:58,360 --> 02:04:00,960
Speaker 1: they got beat by an over road safe on the

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02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:04,120
Speaker 1: safety to go to a third with Peyton Manning. And

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02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:08,240
Speaker 1: he has been I've told you this before, and we've

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02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:11,600
Speaker 1: differed on this too. I think I think he everybody

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02:04:11,640 --> 02:04:14,960
Speaker 1: gets on him for he can't find a quarterback. He doesn't,

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02:04:15,120 --> 02:04:17,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't, you know, he pulls the plug on these guys.

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Speaker 1: He tries all these different quarterbacks, can't find one. Listen,

2513
02:04:19,720 --> 02:04:22,640
Speaker 1: That's how you got to do it. He knows more,

2514
02:04:22,760 --> 02:04:26,040
Speaker 1: maybe better than anybody, probably better than anybody, how important

2515
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:29,000
Speaker 1: a quarterback is to an NFL franchise. He also is

2516
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:31,720
Speaker 1: one of the few executives who knows what it takes

2517
02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:34,600
Speaker 1: to play that game, that position. He knows where you

2518
02:04:34,640 --> 02:04:37,280
Speaker 1: can get better and where you can't get better. And

2519
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:41,040
Speaker 1: when he sees these guys play, he knows where they're headed,

2520
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:44,680
Speaker 1: and what their top end is, and when they aren't

2521
02:04:44,720 --> 02:04:46,680
Speaker 1: going to reach it, or when they don't have it

2522
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:49,280
Speaker 1: under the hood to begin with, he pulls the plug

2523
02:04:49,320 --> 02:04:50,720
Speaker 1: on him and finds a new one and sees he

2524
02:04:50,760 --> 02:04:53,680
Speaker 1: can find one. There's no he has no patience for

2525
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:55,800
Speaker 1: a guy who's never gonna get it, and he has

2526
02:04:55,840 --> 02:04:57,920
Speaker 1: shown that time and time again. So I and I

2527
02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:01,080
Speaker 1: think that's the way you gotta be if you want,

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02:05:01,120 --> 02:05:02,600
Speaker 1: if you want to have, if you've got to have

2529
02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:05,320
Speaker 1: a quarterback on your roster, and he's the one guy

2530
02:05:05,400 --> 02:05:07,440
Speaker 1: who knows what he's looking at. If that's not the guy,

2531
02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:11,080
Speaker 1: get one who is. And he's shown no problem in

2532
02:05:11,200 --> 02:05:13,240
Speaker 1: pulling the plug on the Certainly it sets him back

2533
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:16,560
Speaker 1: every time, But why well flounder with the wrong guy

2534
02:05:16,720 --> 02:05:19,240
Speaker 1: at the helm when the right guy might be out there.

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02:05:19,560 --> 02:05:23,040
Speaker 1: You're right, he took him as a front offense executive,

2536
02:05:23,280 --> 02:05:26,160
Speaker 1: football executive. They've been to two Super Bowls, they won

2537
02:05:26,240 --> 02:05:28,080
Speaker 1: one and loss the other one. All right, one more

2538
02:05:28,200 --> 02:05:31,920
Speaker 1: from NFL True or false virtual offseason meeting should become

2539
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:37,640
Speaker 1: the new standard. I'll say false. I think it should

2540
02:05:37,640 --> 02:05:41,080
Speaker 1: be just the opposite. If these guys are making millions

2541
02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:43,080
Speaker 1: of dollars. Why can't it be a full time job,

2542
02:05:43,480 --> 02:05:46,840
Speaker 1: on the job, coming in, working out, doing your job

2543
02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:49,120
Speaker 1: all year round like the rest of us. Give him

2544
02:05:49,120 --> 02:05:51,120
Speaker 1: a month off if you want, give him four weeks

2545
02:05:51,160 --> 02:05:52,960
Speaker 1: off in June like everybody else. But if you want

2546
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:55,640
Speaker 1: him to play good football, prepare him to play, get

2547
02:05:55,760 --> 02:05:58,440
Speaker 1: him in there and expect him to show up for work.

2548
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:03,880
Speaker 1: You don't have to wear these guys down in March.

2549
02:06:03,960 --> 02:06:05,960
Speaker 1: You know, they don't need to go to today practices

2550
02:06:06,040 --> 02:06:09,560
Speaker 1: full pads in April. But certainly it's not a big

2551
02:06:09,640 --> 02:06:12,280
Speaker 1: deal to expect them to show up for work. So yeah,

2552
02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:14,920
Speaker 1: virtual offseason, I forget, bring them into the office. I

2553
02:06:14,960 --> 02:06:18,360
Speaker 1: don't care you're paying them millions of bucks. It's the

2554
02:06:18,440 --> 02:06:22,040
Speaker 1: small free time is precious for everybody. There's is no

2555
02:06:22,160 --> 02:06:25,120
Speaker 1: more precious than anybody else's. I mean, I did. I

2556
02:06:25,200 --> 02:06:27,160
Speaker 1: mean I when I was living here in Buffalo and

2557
02:06:27,240 --> 02:06:29,880
Speaker 1: playing and we were in the heyday, I showed up

2558
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:32,080
Speaker 1: for work at the stadium every day just because I

2559
02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:36,160
Speaker 1: was worried about getting cut. It's not that big a

2560
02:06:36,200 --> 02:06:38,360
Speaker 1: deal to show up for work. Murph m. It's not

2561
02:06:38,440 --> 02:06:40,320
Speaker 1: something you should get credit. It's not something you should

2562
02:06:40,360 --> 02:06:43,600
Speaker 1: get credit for it's your job. Yeah, I agree. I agree,

2563
02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:48,480
Speaker 1: And you know they do make accommodations for the rigorous

2564
02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:51,400
Speaker 1: in season schedule. I mean they're four day weeks. They're

2565
02:06:51,480 --> 02:06:53,440
Speaker 1: not on the field for workouts. I mean they have

2566
02:06:53,600 --> 02:06:56,680
Speaker 1: some workouts, but it's it's minimal workouts. They don't really

2567
02:06:56,760 --> 02:06:59,440
Speaker 1: practice at all until really until they get the mini

2568
02:06:59,480 --> 02:07:02,080
Speaker 1: camp and June, and that's a three day minicamp session. No,

2569
02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:05,360
Speaker 1: I agree. I don't think virtual offseason meeting should become

2570
02:07:05,400 --> 02:07:08,920
Speaker 1: the new the new normal, so to speak. Right, all right,

2571
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:10,760
Speaker 1: we got a break and then we're back. One Bill's

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02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:20,280
Speaker 1: Live presented by Collida Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Hey,

2573
02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:22,360
Speaker 1: sign for what have we learned? Brought to you by Skyworks,

2574
02:07:22,360 --> 02:07:25,440
Speaker 1: the official construction equipment rental company, and the Buffalo Bills.

2575
02:07:25,720 --> 02:07:28,360
Speaker 1: Tyler Matakevitz joined us on the show today. Bill's new

2576
02:07:28,440 --> 02:07:31,760
Speaker 1: linebackers signed after four years in Pittsburgh. He was captain

2577
02:07:31,800 --> 02:07:34,200
Speaker 1: of the special teams with the Steelers. He talked about

2578
02:07:34,200 --> 02:07:36,280
Speaker 1: how he's going to bring that special team's energy to

2579
02:07:36,360 --> 02:07:39,120
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Here he is. You know, you you

2580
02:07:39,200 --> 02:07:41,400
Speaker 1: just gotta lead by example. You know, you just gotta

2581
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:45,240
Speaker 1: make sure everyone's ready. To go. Everyone's prepared, everyone knows

2582
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:47,800
Speaker 1: what they're doing, you know, because I mean, if you know,

2583
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:49,760
Speaker 1: if you trust the guy to your left team, you're right,

2584
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you gotta worried about yourself and

2585
02:07:52,520 --> 02:07:55,560
Speaker 1: uh and not that, you know, just really negature. All

2586
02:07:55,560 --> 02:07:58,520
Speaker 1: these guys on the same page just fly around past,

2587
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:02,360
Speaker 1: have some energy, and I think that's what they do,

2588
02:08:02,600 --> 02:08:04,320
Speaker 1: you know. I think that's what their Stussal Teams unit

2589
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:07,600
Speaker 1: does right now. You see, you see those guys making plays,

2590
02:08:08,120 --> 02:08:11,200
Speaker 1: and I'm definitely excited to go join hop on train

2591
02:08:11,560 --> 02:08:15,720
Speaker 1: and get this same role. Tyler Manicentisch on the of

2592
02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:18,160
Speaker 1: this At twelve thirty today, after one o'clock, we had

2593
02:08:18,160 --> 02:08:20,440
Speaker 1: Clark Judge on from the Talk of Fame network. Clark

2594
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:23,080
Speaker 1: Judge made a pretty good case of why Mike Stratton,

2595
02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:26,720
Speaker 1: former Bills linebacker in the AFL Championship era, should have

2596
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:28,960
Speaker 1: his case heard from being in the Pro Football of Fame.

2597
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:31,920
Speaker 1: We smite Stratton and others have not been hurt. Here's

2598
02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:34,600
Speaker 1: what he said. I look at guys like Mike Stratton,

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02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:37,200
Speaker 1: which Beard the Stack apparently too. I mean, I just

2600
02:08:37,400 --> 02:08:40,040
Speaker 1: I just don't understand it. Why haven't they even been

2601
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:42,920
Speaker 1: the Scotch. I listen, I can hear you saying they're

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02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:44,360
Speaker 1: not in. I can hear guys, then I don't think

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02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:46,360
Speaker 1: he should be in. Okay, fine, but don't we at

2604
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:49,160
Speaker 1: least owe it to them to talk about him. Shouldn't

2605
02:08:49,160 --> 02:08:50,960
Speaker 1: we at least bring them before the board. I think

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02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:52,840
Speaker 1: the answer is yes. But the way it's structured now,

2607
02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:57,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be very difficult. That's a Clark judge. He's

2608
02:08:57,080 --> 02:08:59,360
Speaker 1: a good point. And you know, Steve not for nothing.

2609
02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:01,920
Speaker 1: But I've heard Will say that Sestak was the real guy,

2610
02:09:02,200 --> 02:09:05,560
Speaker 1: the real star of that defense, and he wasn't even

2611
02:09:05,600 --> 02:09:08,280
Speaker 1: mentioned prominently, at least by Clark Judges and the Mike

2612
02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:11,240
Speaker 1: Stratton article. Stratton obviously passed away a couple of months ago,

2613
02:09:11,320 --> 02:09:13,960
Speaker 1: which brought him in front of mine. But Sestak, I'm told,

2614
02:09:14,080 --> 02:09:16,520
Speaker 1: was the real glue that held that defense together. Whatever.

2615
02:09:16,920 --> 02:09:19,120
Speaker 1: Probably there's no recourse for that group. I wouldn't think

2616
02:09:19,120 --> 02:09:21,960
Speaker 1: it for those guys that played in that league, and

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02:09:22,680 --> 02:09:25,640
Speaker 1: for guys who played in the past who've you know,

2618
02:09:25,800 --> 02:09:27,760
Speaker 1: made oil and guys like me. I mean, it's not

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02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:30,680
Speaker 1: that you owe them like like Clark Judge said, don't

2620
02:09:30,720 --> 02:09:32,560
Speaker 1: we owe it to those guys to discuss the mind.

2621
02:09:32,680 --> 02:09:34,640
Speaker 1: It's not about those guys. It's about the game. It's

2622
02:09:34,680 --> 02:09:36,680
Speaker 1: about the history of the game, and about the guys

2623
02:09:36,720 --> 02:09:41,000
Speaker 1: who the game, who caused the game to grow, and

2624
02:09:41,120 --> 02:09:44,080
Speaker 1: who played at a high level. Those those that's the

2625
02:09:44,200 --> 02:09:46,240
Speaker 1: reason you bring guys up is because they made a

2626
02:09:46,280 --> 02:09:48,400
Speaker 1: difference in a game that has grown and become part

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02:09:48,440 --> 02:09:50,840
Speaker 1: of American fabric and and been a part of the

2628
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:53,920
Speaker 1: history of that of that sport. And you owe that

2629
02:09:54,120 --> 02:09:57,400
Speaker 1: conversation to the game itself, not just to those guys individually.

2630
02:09:57,680 --> 02:09:59,560
Speaker 1: And talking to Clark a couple of times, we've had

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02:09:59,640 --> 02:10:01,120
Speaker 1: him out a couple of times over the last few months,

2632
02:10:01,160 --> 02:10:04,480
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear there's no shortage of legitimate candidates, right,

2633
02:10:04,640 --> 02:10:07,200
Speaker 1: not just old AFL guys, not just old Buffalo Bills.

2634
02:10:07,240 --> 02:10:09,960
Speaker 1: There's no shortage of guys I'm talking to one right

2635
02:10:10,040 --> 02:10:12,560
Speaker 1: now who have a case to make or a case

2636
02:10:12,640 --> 02:10:14,280
Speaker 1: to be made for them, right. And maybe that's the

2637
02:10:14,320 --> 02:10:16,520
Speaker 1: way you want it for the pro foot fall of fame. Sure,

2638
02:10:16,640 --> 02:10:20,520
Speaker 1: and it's it's true. There's a ton of great players

2639
02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:22,680
Speaker 1: that I played with and guys that I played against,

2640
02:10:23,160 --> 02:10:26,680
Speaker 1: and you can make a case for how good or

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02:10:26,720 --> 02:10:30,040
Speaker 1: bad all of them were and at different moments. All

2642
02:10:30,080 --> 02:10:33,720
Speaker 1: of them were great and at different moments. Guy like me,

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02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:37,760
Speaker 1: we sucked, you know, I mean I had bad plays,

2644
02:10:37,800 --> 02:10:40,920
Speaker 1: too bad days, bad game, whatever. But you know the

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02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:43,800
Speaker 1: consistency and the and the careers and the games they

2646
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:46,400
Speaker 1: won together, and the contributions they made to their team,

2647
02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:49,560
Speaker 1: their own team and the game itself. Yeah, I think

2648
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:51,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that really need to have

2649
02:10:51,600 --> 02:10:54,040
Speaker 1: that evaluated and have their career looked at as a

2650
02:10:54,080 --> 02:10:56,680
Speaker 1: whole and get talked about. It doesn't mean they deserve

2651
02:10:56,760 --> 02:10:58,440
Speaker 1: to be in. It's like Clark Judge says, I say,

2652
02:10:58,480 --> 02:11:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm not He says, I'm not saying they should rubber

2653
02:11:00,280 --> 02:11:02,320
Speaker 1: stamped this guy to get in, but man have a

2654
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:05,640
Speaker 1: conversation about him. Yep. We had a pretty good Twitter

2655
02:11:05,680 --> 02:11:09,200
Speaker 1: poll today, nine hundred and sixty four responses, which is

2656
02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:12,440
Speaker 1: a lot. We ask people which addition to the Bills

2657
02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:14,839
Speaker 1: roster will have a bigger impact than the guy they replace.

2658
02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:18,240
Speaker 1: We offered up some suggestions Zach Moss for Frank Gore

2659
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:21,440
Speaker 1: defensive line, aj F and SA Mario Addison for Shack

2660
02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:26,080
Speaker 1: Lawson defensive line, Butler, and Jefferson for Jordan Phillips. Overwhelmingly,

2661
02:11:26,120 --> 02:11:29,320
Speaker 1: almost two thirds of voters said it is Zach Moss

2662
02:11:29,360 --> 02:11:32,400
Speaker 1: for Frank Gore, twenty six percent said Aja and Sa

2663
02:11:32,720 --> 02:11:35,360
Speaker 1: Mario Addison for Lawson, the ones I will have a

2664
02:11:35,400 --> 02:11:37,800
Speaker 1: bigger impact than their predecessor. I agree with that. I

2665
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:41,960
Speaker 1: think I'm not expecting I don't know. I'm expecting good

2666
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:44,160
Speaker 1: things from Zack Moss. I think they'll have a lot

2667
02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:45,880
Speaker 1: of carriers, but I think I'll have more carries in

2668
02:11:45,960 --> 02:11:48,000
Speaker 1: Frank Gore, and I think I'll have more yards than

2669
02:11:48,040 --> 02:11:49,840
Speaker 1: Frank or had last year. What do you think of that, Steve?

2670
02:11:50,080 --> 02:11:52,800
Speaker 1: I agree, and I also think that it's running back

2671
02:11:52,920 --> 02:11:59,080
Speaker 1: is the answer here, because you know they're his contribution.

2672
02:11:59,240 --> 02:12:01,840
Speaker 1: Moss's contract us is gonna be evident to everybody in

2673
02:12:01,880 --> 02:12:04,360
Speaker 1: the stands. Even the most casual fan will be able

2674
02:12:04,360 --> 02:12:06,320
Speaker 1: to say, Wow, that Zac Moss really plays, you know,

2675
02:12:07,160 --> 02:12:10,760
Speaker 1: not so much for Quinton Jefferson or Vernon Butler or

2676
02:12:10,800 --> 02:12:13,640
Speaker 1: A J. Panessa Mario Addison, those guys down inside on

2677
02:12:13,720 --> 02:12:18,360
Speaker 1: the D line. Unless they're getting twenty sacks, their contribution

2678
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:20,680
Speaker 1: is going to be appreciated mostly by their coaching staff

2679
02:12:20,720 --> 02:12:24,880
Speaker 1: and their team. In a win, So Zach Moss is

2680
02:12:24,920 --> 02:12:26,640
Speaker 1: the one that we're all going to see. All eyes

2681
02:12:26,680 --> 02:12:28,320
Speaker 1: are gonna be on him because he's gonna be carrying

2682
02:12:28,360 --> 02:12:30,840
Speaker 1: the football for the Bills in this fall, and we're

2683
02:12:30,880 --> 02:12:33,760
Speaker 1: all going to be watching that good show tomorrow. Hollow

2684
02:12:33,880 --> 02:12:36,320
Speaker 1: Famer Andre Reids joining us tomorrow talking about what he's

2685
02:12:36,360 --> 02:12:39,040
Speaker 1: been up with. I've been up to our production assistant today,

2686
02:12:39,120 --> 02:12:43,560
Speaker 1: Kelly Rude, j J Territo, Kevin Kartis, James Robol Board

2687
02:12:43,600 --> 02:12:46,040
Speaker 1: ops Brayton Wilson, and Joe Di Biassi and our producer

2688
02:12:46,440 --> 02:12:48,440
Speaker 1: Jay Harris, got some questions for Andre. You want to

2689
02:12:48,440 --> 02:12:51,200
Speaker 1: ask him, Steve, I'll go to bed tonight and think

2690
02:12:51,240 --> 02:12:53,400
Speaker 1: of a little list that I might get dreaming of.

2691
02:12:53,440 --> 02:12:56,240
Speaker 1: Andrey read questions exactly right. We'll see tomorrow. Would New

2692
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Speaker 1: and one Bill's Live Presentaby all out of health. This

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Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radio. H