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Speaker 1: So this is our Easter edition. We are taping this
Speaker 1: at around noon on Easter so John can be with
Speaker 1: his family. I spent this morning with my daughter and
Speaker 1: which is a great Easter present for Dad. You know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting my wife and I. She deals with some
Speaker 1: designing real estate stuff, so we're apart about half the year,
Speaker 1: and it really works in our relationship because I'm annoying
Speaker 1: and she needs breaks for me. But one of my
Speaker 1: favorite presents, John, thinking of Easter, One of my favorite
Speaker 1: presents is finding a documentary I like, and this morning
Speaker 1: I stumbled upon one on Apple TV about Steve Martin. Now,
Speaker 1: I think generationally he's not in your wheelhouse, so I go.
Speaker 3: Little before my time my dad.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, So about six comedians in my life
Speaker 1: that I think kind of shaped how I looked at comedy. Carson,
Speaker 1: Albert Brooks, Gary Shandling, Steve Martin, probably Letterman. I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of brilliant guys out there, Jerry Seinfeld later,
Speaker 1: Ricky Gervais, I think is laugh out louse, funny, Chris Rock.
Speaker 1: But I want to say this for people out there,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Documentaries are my kind of favorite thing to do.
Speaker 1: Like I work out every day, obviously, time with my wife,
Speaker 1: my kids, you know, career for you, it could be
Speaker 1: hitting golf balls. Everybody's got this thing that just genuinely
Speaker 1: every day makes them happy. So my gift today on
Speaker 1: Easter was finding a Steve Martin Apple TV two part documentary,
Speaker 1: A lot of Martin short in the second one a
Speaker 1: lot about his career. I knew a lot I didn't.
Speaker 1: If I said to you on Easter, somebody could give
Speaker 1: you a surprise present, something that makes you happy every
Speaker 1: single time for two hours.
Speaker 3: What is it? I would say it would be food
Speaker 3: We're having a lot of people over and I have
Speaker 3: the prime rib. I just put on the smoker. I've
Speaker 3: never done this before, Colin. I feel tangible pressure on
Speaker 3: my shoulders. We have friends, you know, their families, they
Speaker 3: live in different states. They're all coming over here. If
Speaker 3: I mess up this meet, no one's gonna remember the
Speaker 3: mac and cheese or the bread. But if the prime
Speaker 3: rib is not done right, they'll never forget that. And
Speaker 3: you know, it's another thing I found out. Prime rib
Speaker 3: isn't cheap. So I the older you get, you realize,
Speaker 3: you know, I used to have my mom or they'd
Speaker 3: all cook. I didn't have to do anything. I just
Speaker 3: got to sit there, watch the lead eight hang out.
Speaker 3: In the older you know, you take on those responsibilities.
Speaker 3: This might be my last time. We'll see, but I
Speaker 3: just put it on the smoker here, Colin, So we
Speaker 3: will in about three hours see how that bad boy tasts.
Speaker 3: But serious in all seriousness, you know, I'm pretty I'm
Speaker 3: pretty simple. I'm a lot like you. I think pretty simple.
Speaker 3: I don't do much. I work. I try to work
Speaker 3: out every day, you know, I go off a couple
Speaker 3: times a week. I mean, that's kind of the extent
Speaker 3: of my life. I'm with my girlfriend a lot. You know,
Speaker 3: my friend group is kind of get smaller as you
Speaker 3: get older. I really just don't do that much. I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously I watch a lot of sports, but other than that,
Speaker 3: my life is really I don't need much to be happy,
Speaker 3: you know, and people ask me all the time for advice.
Speaker 3: I make more money now than I ever have. But
Speaker 3: early on in my twenties, when I worked in football,
Speaker 3: and even when I first got into radio, it was
Speaker 3: never I never even thought about money and being around
Speaker 3: football coaches when I got When I went to work
Speaker 3: for Pat Hill, he was one of the first million
Speaker 3: dollar non Power five coaches, and obviously Andy's was that
Speaker 3: well into the millions by the time I met him.
Speaker 3: You never felt like their passion for their sport and
Speaker 3: their love and they That's why when you do what
Speaker 3: you like, it's easier to work more, and I think
Speaker 3: your life becomes a little more simple. You don't need
Speaker 3: all these other, you know, auxiliary things on the outside
Speaker 3: that you're constantly chasing for happiness. Your your work kind
Speaker 3: of brings you happiness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell my kids all the time. Gratitude is
Speaker 1: a great gift. Some people have it, some don't. I
Speaker 1: my mom was a nurse, very very early. I don't
Speaker 1: remember my mom being a nurse. It was, and you know,
Speaker 1: she probably stopped when I was about six. But she
Speaker 1: used to always say, I've seen people in chronic pain
Speaker 1: if you have your health, and that my mom was, ohay,
Speaker 1: is way ahead of her time. With food. I never
Speaker 1: ate a piece of white bread my childhood, Like my
Speaker 1: mom was very much into yeah. But that's I think
Speaker 1: a lot of the was she saw. She saw bad diets,
Speaker 1: the repercussions of not eating right. So my mom, Amza,
Speaker 1: was grateful for her health and she passed that along.
Speaker 1: And I tell my kids this all the time. You
Speaker 1: got good genetics. We don't have the big C in
Speaker 1: our family. You know, we don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: cancer in our family. We don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: depression in our family. Like so here on Easter, I'm
Speaker 1: grateful for a lot of things, and one of them
Speaker 1: is a great documentary our friendship, friendships. I have prune
Speaker 1: my tree. Like you, over the course of time, you
Speaker 1: have a handful of twenty people in your life that
Speaker 1: really matter. You're certainly one of them. You've been a
Speaker 1: wonderful part of the volume, and I love watching you grow.
Speaker 1: One other thing before we get into football, I was
Speaker 1: watching this with Yukon. They're a fascinating program. They're gonna
Speaker 1: win this championship. If so, they'll be tied for the
Speaker 1: third most, more than Kansas. You know, Michigan football's had
Speaker 1: two Natties since like nineteen fifty, and it's a huge brand.
Speaker 1: Yukon is the greatest program in the history of college
Speaker 1: sports men, women baseball, football, basketball, women's basketball. Nobody ever
Speaker 1: talks about they're gonna have I have six different titles
Speaker 1: if they win this one. And I'm watching them the
Speaker 1: other night and I'm like, I don't know exactly why
Speaker 1: this is because, by the way, the biggest college basketball
Speaker 1: program in the Northeast now, which is where all the
Speaker 1: main media is. But think about the biggest basketball programs ever, UCLA, Kentucky, Kansas.
Speaker 1: Think about the biggest football programs, Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, USC, Texas, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: There is something weird about Yukon that the state doesn't
Speaker 1: have any players. They're gonna win a six national championship
Speaker 1: and they're never a national story. And is it because
Speaker 1: they've had downturns. It's been three different coaches instead of
Speaker 1: just one great iconic coach. Although I think Jim Calhoun
Speaker 1: is the Bill Snyder of college sports, like, you know,
Speaker 1: just never got the credit he deserved. But it is
Speaker 1: so weird to me watching Yukon kick everybody's ass. I
Speaker 1: think I talk about him twice a year. I'm to
Speaker 1: blame as much as anybody. And by the way, they're
Speaker 1: right down the road for ESPN, they're still never discussed.
Speaker 3: I think college football and college basketball parallel each other
Speaker 3: so much in terms of it's all about your coach
Speaker 3: when you get the right guy. Obviously, Jim Calhoun when
Speaker 3: I was a kid, was, you know, a legendary figure
Speaker 3: in the sport. It does feel like Dan Hurley's thrown
Speaker 3: into his hat in the ring, like is he the
Speaker 3: new Kirby Smart of college basketball. I'm always fascinated just
Speaker 3: because I you know, when I got out of the
Speaker 3: NFL and I was close to the forty nine ers,
Speaker 3: the brother dynamic, and obviously you watch Jim and John.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jim was this I don't want to say
Speaker 3: super star, but he played in the NFL for fifteen years.
Speaker 3: He was way more famous than John who starts as
Speaker 3: like a quality control guy, and then they both kind
Speaker 3: of end up at the same level. He saw Peyton
Speaker 3: and Eli. Peyton infinitely more famous, way more MVPs. But
Speaker 3: for a while Eli had the two Super Bowls, Peyton
Speaker 3: only had the one. You look at Bobby Hurley, I mean,
Speaker 3: one of the prominent figures, wouldn't you say the last
Speaker 3: thirty years in college sports in general, basketball or football. Yes,
Speaker 3: I don't know his brother. Clearly he was not some
Speaker 3: star player, but you know, Bobby's hanging on here for
Speaker 3: dear life at Arizona State. His coaching career. Now, you
Speaker 3: could argue this isn't a great job, but it's not
Speaker 3: going great, and this guy's becoming I mean, he's got
Speaker 3: a long way to coach catch like John Wooden or
Speaker 3: coach k But you start rattling off a couple early,
Speaker 3: you build that momentum. I mean, he is, He's a
Speaker 3: rock star. I mean it was. They used to coach
Speaker 3: together for a split second. I mean they're both kind
Speaker 3: of crazy. Does feel like Dan's calm down a little bit,
Speaker 3: but they feel like I mean, maybe Florida in his
Speaker 3: heyday and football or USC or Bama or a couple
Speaker 3: of those Florida basketball like they're on a different level.
Speaker 3: I mean, he just it's crazy.
Speaker 1: No. It reminded me watching them beat Illinois, and I
Speaker 1: mean the second half, like Illinois didn't.
Speaker 3: Score, they went on like a thirty two to nothing run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought to myself, this reminds me of
Speaker 1: Alabama with Saban year three to about year thirteen, and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, they're like humiliating other really good programs.
Speaker 1: I mean there was a run there for Alabama when
Speaker 1: they would have nine NFL first or second rounders on
Speaker 1: defense where I mean they they would just humiliate like
Speaker 1: like high level SEC and Big ten teams. And I
Speaker 1: kind of feel that with Yukon, there's a grit, there's
Speaker 1: a they always have NBA dudes. They're almost like a
Speaker 1: Syracuse when you watch them. You see the NBA length
Speaker 1: and talent, but there's a fight. There's there's a fight
Speaker 1: with Yukon. So you know, just just watching them discombobulate
Speaker 1: teams is something to behold.
Speaker 3: So you know what, you know, what's fun. One thing
Speaker 3: I noticed yesterday watching Alabama, who is going to the
Speaker 3: first I mean they went to their first Elite eight,
Speaker 3: let alone final four in program history is immediately I
Speaker 3: always google the coaching salary, and he's making almost seven
Speaker 3: million dollars, you know, at at Alabama to coach basketball,
Speaker 3: and you know I follow the sport at golf closely.
Speaker 3: Their golf team travels private. I mean, the power of that,
Speaker 3: even Clemson and I know they were an eleven seed,
Speaker 3: so it was a little bit of a cinder, but
Speaker 3: I don't think they're basketball. The power of this football
Speaker 3: money infused into the basketball conferences. This is where you know,
Speaker 3: yukon everything when it broke away for football only it
Speaker 3: was because the economics, right, It's why the Big Ten
Speaker 3: has no excuse to not be consistently. They feel like
Speaker 3: they haven't been as good as basketball these last couple
Speaker 3: of years. The money that's about to come in for them,
Speaker 3: I mean we're looking, we're two or three years away
Speaker 3: from every basketball coach in those two conferences well over
Speaker 3: five million in the top dogs not making maybe football
Speaker 3: coach money, but they're probably making you know, seven eighth,
Speaker 3: and then obviously an Izzo or something might make ten
Speaker 3: to eleven. But the money because of football. You know,
Speaker 3: they say a rising tide lifts all boats. That's clearly
Speaker 3: what it's done for the SEC and basketball.
Speaker 1: Well, And I also think John, you know a lot
Speaker 1: of people I grew up with Pac twelve football, and
Speaker 1: there was a lot of anger when the Pack twelve dissolved.
Speaker 1: But I had been saying this for eight or nine
Speaker 1: years to people, and and my my buddies out west
Speaker 1: would push back. I'm like, guys, we have pro sports,
Speaker 1: we have beaches, we have moderate summer temperatures, we have mountains.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't matter as much here in the South.
Speaker 1: You know, in the summer, you're inside watching Braves baseball.
Speaker 1: It's too damn hot to go outside in the fall.
Speaker 3: In the winter, I mean, you.
Speaker 1: Go down to a convention, you go to a hotel.
Speaker 1: In the South, it's all SEC hats. They were the
Speaker 1: last region to get pro sports. The Big Twelve's two
Speaker 1: spread out small towns, not a lot of media centers.
Speaker 1: Big eat small. I've seen it my entire life. The
Speaker 1: SEC and the Big ten are going to control all
Speaker 1: the sports. We always sort of had this charade. We
Speaker 1: always sort of played this game to include everybody. But
Speaker 1: the reality is the Big the Big ten now is
Speaker 1: got the LA market, the Seattle Market. Phil Knight, Michigan,
Speaker 1: Ohio State. It's going to separate from everybody except the SEC,
Speaker 1: and I do think it will get bigger than the SEC.
Speaker 1: Your point about basketball is fascinating because I watched Zach
Speaker 1: Eadie take apart Gone Zaga for the second time, and
Speaker 1: you know, I thought to myself, God, Purdue has been
Speaker 1: back to the Gene Katie days. They've been great forever.
Speaker 1: They just never can quite get there. But as I
Speaker 1: watched Zach Edy, I want to pivot to this. I thought,
Speaker 1: years ago there was this sense, you know, as a
Speaker 1: Warrior guy, small ball, and you look back on it
Speaker 1: and it's a lot of nonsense. It was the Warriors
Speaker 1: and about twenty teams trying to be the Warriors. None
Speaker 1: could do it. Small ball was really Stephen Clay surpassing
Speaker 1: Gail Goodrich and West as the best shooting back court
Speaker 1: of all time. Everybody went, well, the games, it's getting
Speaker 1: faster and you don't need size. And after about an
Speaker 1: eight year run of small ball, when only the Warriors
Speaker 1: truly mastered it, Houston tried, a lot of people tried.
Speaker 1: Now the league's pivoting back to size. The big guys
Speaker 1: are dominating, and I'm watching Zach Edy and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: isn't he worth thirteen to fourteen minutes a night? So
Speaker 1: I know people tell me it doesn't work. I'm not
Speaker 1: asking him to defend the wing. I watched them and
Speaker 1: I'm like, christ Conzaga can compete with everybody. They got
Speaker 1: shelled twice by him.
Speaker 3: I think the problem in basketball, and I think football
Speaker 3: follows this too, is when there's an outlier situation. You know,
Speaker 3: Draymond who's gonna be one of the great all time
Speaker 3: small ball centers. He has arms the length of a
Speaker 3: seventh footer. It's a unique attribute he has, and he
Speaker 3: can do all this other stuff right, and he doesn't
Speaker 3: need to score. So he's a defender who can run
Speaker 3: the point. I mean, he's Russell Wilson. All these small quarterbacks, No,
Speaker 3: I've never really seen anything else like Russell Wilson. So
Speaker 3: if you keep drafting little guys, you're gonna have some problems.
Speaker 3: And what happened We've kind of pivoted away from that
Speaker 3: a little bit, right, So I'm one Listen, I'm a
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan baby. It always bothers me when people, you know,
Speaker 3: the younger generation or even some older people that try
Speaker 3: to shit on the nineties. Obviously, Michael was the premier player.
Speaker 3: The majority of the great players were bigs. And if
Speaker 3: you think that David Robinson or Patrick Ewing in his prime,
Speaker 3: or Shaquille O'Neal wouldn't annihilate ninety nine percent of these guys,
Speaker 3: you're creat beside Mbat and Jokic that they'd have no shot.
Speaker 3: Even Anthony Davis, he is much slender now. He's a
Speaker 3: great athlete. He could hang, but even he's somewhat of
Speaker 3: an outlier athletically. So I'm with you. I think sometimes
Speaker 3: if you've ever been to an NBA game, and I
Speaker 3: when I was in radio, I used to go pregame
Speaker 3: a lot or an NFL game for pregame warmups, you
Speaker 3: want more big people than the little people. This isn't
Speaker 3: that complicated of a strategy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, George Young, the late great GM of the New
Speaker 1: York Giants, said, went in doubt draft big even in
Speaker 1: guard playing the NBA, Luka, you can't really defend six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, Lebron is a three six eight and a
Speaker 1: half two fifty. He's a big three. I just I
Speaker 1: watched Zach Edie and I'm like, I've seen gun Zaga
Speaker 1: go toe to toe with everybody in college basketball for
Speaker 1: the last fifteen years. Don't have to win titles, Villanova, Carolina, Duke, Kansas.
Speaker 1: I've seen them blowout teams. Zach Edie eats them alive.
Speaker 1: They have no answer for him. And it's like, now
Speaker 1: I understand, Like there are certain quarterbacks. Tommy Fraser was
Speaker 1: not gonna be an NFL quarterback. They just didn't.
Speaker 3: Charlie Ward. I mean, there were some unique I get it.
Speaker 1: But ge'z seven to four with a really nice touch.
Speaker 1: You can't tell me there's not a space for him
Speaker 1: somewhere in this freaking league.
Speaker 3: Well, if it was ninety six, he'd be the second
Speaker 3: pick in the drafts probably. I'llmember when I first got
Speaker 3: to the NFL and some of those Coughlin Giants teams,
Speaker 3: you'd go out and warm ups and you'd watch their
Speaker 3: defensive line and you'd be like, who are these human beings?
Speaker 3: And obviously because of that defensive line, they won a
Speaker 3: couple Super Bowls. So when you can be the Warriors
Speaker 3: had Steph Klay and Kevin Durant, like you said, using
Speaker 3: them as like oh small ball all time, outlier situation. Right,
Speaker 3: We're never seeing that again. The history of the league
Speaker 3: is mostly big wings or a dominant center, and I
Speaker 3: think everything's cyclical. And back to the quarterback thing. Look
Speaker 3: at the first quarterbacks that are gonna go. Caleb relative
Speaker 3: to some of these guys recently, a Kyler Murray or
Speaker 3: Bryce Young looks like a Giants, right, and then Drake
Speaker 3: May Jayden Daniels is big, Pennix is big. Even Boonick's
Speaker 3: you around him is thicker. He's not. I wouldn't consider
Speaker 3: him small. He's probably in that like Jimmy Garoppolo size range.
Speaker 3: But I just I would lean to stay away from
Speaker 3: smaller players whenever possible. High in a draft. I understand
Speaker 3: taking you know, mid round. The NFL has draft is longer,
Speaker 3: but you know, the brock Purty situation again, outlier, that's
Speaker 3: not going to be the norm. You're not gonna find
Speaker 3: starting quarterbacks in the fifth, sixth, seventh round.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sean Payton told me he had sort of a rule.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, and he comes from the school
Speaker 1: of Bill Parcells. Let's just not draft undersize players at
Speaker 1: any position in the top fifteen, like Tua.
Speaker 3: Let's just not do that.
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Speaker 1: I have said before that I think Caleb Williams is
Speaker 1: the most talented and like an Andrew Louck, he will
Speaker 1: succeed at some level even if he got their own
Speaker 1: coach gm O line roster. And I do think Ryan
Speaker 1: Poles has had He's redeemed himself. He's had a very
Speaker 1: good six to nine months, so I think he may
Speaker 1: have the right former offensive lineman looks like the O line.
Speaker 1: There's some hits there with his draft capital the last
Speaker 1: three years, but let's go. Let's reverse the telescope. If
Speaker 1: I said to you, we know of these top five
Speaker 1: or six, two are not going to work. We know
Speaker 1: it right now. And I've said I think Caleb's good
Speaker 1: enough to overcome everybody else will be as good as
Speaker 1: where they land. I think JJ McCarthy in New England
Speaker 1: is a bust. I think JJ McCarthy in Minnesota with
Speaker 1: that talent and coach that division which is light on defense,
Speaker 1: heavy unscoring works. If I said to you, guess give
Speaker 1: me two that if you had to put the odds on,
Speaker 1: it won't work. See now, I think Boone Knicks is
Speaker 1: going to fall and ended up falling to like a
Speaker 1: McVeigh or a Peyton. You know, I kind of think
Speaker 1: bone Nicks is not talented enough to overcome, whereas I
Speaker 1: think Jaden Daniels isn't either. But it's going to go
Speaker 1: top three or four, and that's problematic. So I would
Speaker 1: get Jaden Daniels to me, is like, oh no, I
Speaker 1: think he can succeed, But the top three quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: going to defensive coaches working with new OC's three for three.
Speaker 1: So give me the guy that you worry about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, he'd have to be first given. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to. It's unfair to compare him to
Speaker 3: a guy who's won two MVPs. But his game is
Speaker 3: parallel some of Lamar. Right now, he throws it pretty.
Speaker 3: He probably throws it better outside the hashes down the field,
Speaker 3: but I do think that type player. Early on in
Speaker 3: his career, Lamar went to the Ravens, who literally pivoted
Speaker 3: mid season, changed their whole offense around. It's not just
Speaker 3: one of the highest level, you know, sports teams, like
Speaker 3: one of the higher level business is probably in America
Speaker 3: the way they've operated for twenty plus years. So he
Speaker 3: got I know, it sucks falling to thirty two, but
Speaker 3: he got pretty lucky Jane Daniels, that's probably not gonna happen, right,
Speaker 3: He's going to go in the top five, and more
Speaker 3: than likely you're not getting a competent operation. So if
Speaker 3: he goes to the New England Patriots, that's pretty scary.
Speaker 3: I mean, their offensive talent is a disaster. I listen,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to judge you on the coaches picture,
Speaker 3: but jiroon Males wearing like a T shirt, he looked disheveled.
Speaker 3: I know he's a high level, impressive guy, but I
Speaker 3: don't know. Man. I'm saying that tongue in cheek, but
Speaker 3: in all seriousness, the drop off that's about to come
Speaker 3: from Bill Belichick to what's going on the crash refused
Speaker 3: to name a general manager. Elliott Wolf's kind of doing it.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a rough go for that.
Speaker 3: And then the JJ McCarthy. My comfort end is Alex Smith.
Speaker 3: Alex Smith has success when he had Jim Harbaugh Andy Reid,
Speaker 3: one guy's basically a chubbier version of Bill Walsh, and
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh is one of the more successful college NFL
Speaker 3: coaches we've ever seen. When he had Mike Nolan and
Speaker 3: Mike singletary, it was a disaster. They were chanting for
Speaker 3: David Carr. So that that's very fickle, right, Certain physical
Speaker 3: talents like Josh Allen probably would have succeeded no matter what. Right,
Speaker 3: he's just physically too gifted. Even Herbert, even as down
Speaker 3: years ago, I still see a lot there. Two was
Speaker 3: a good example, kind of like Jared Goff, much less
Speaker 3: physical attributes. When it's not going well, you're like, what
Speaker 3: the hell is this? Good coaching, good offensive weaponry, good connection.
Speaker 3: Go Yeah.
Speaker 1: Two and Goff are very much about protection and coach.
Speaker 1: Herbert has gone to the playoffs and has yet to
Speaker 1: get even a remotely competent coach.
Speaker 3: And I would take Jared Goff all day over to
Speaker 3: it just on the simple fact he's bigger. I think
Speaker 3: he just throws the better ball. And on the flip side,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if you saw all those
Speaker 3: numbers from Pennix, but you and I have talked about
Speaker 3: this before, a lot of comparisons to to A and
Speaker 3: then you see him run like a four or five five,
Speaker 3: and he jumps thirty seven inches and I think Kobe
Speaker 3: jumped thirty six. So I'm not comparing him as an
Speaker 3: athlete to Kobe Bryant, but he's a really good athlete. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean that's so I know, you don't see it
Speaker 3: as much on film because he wasn't asked to play
Speaker 3: that way they had, you know, I think they thought
Speaker 3: they had the best offensive line in the country. Then
Speaker 3: they met Michigan, but they had an excellent offensive line, right,
Speaker 3: So he wasn't getting touched. I think he was only
Speaker 3: sacked like what eleven times, It's like average in less
Speaker 3: than one a game. But he clearly can move right.
Speaker 3: So you could get a guy in some of these
Speaker 3: Shanahan offenses or Sean Payton to get him on the
Speaker 3: move a little bit. He has it in him. I
Speaker 3: clearly his film as a pocket passer is pretty special.
Speaker 3: Questions with injuries, that's scary. But I heard a podcast
Speaker 3: probably within the last six months of Dubor talking about
Speaker 3: when he first got to Deiana and they recruited him.
Speaker 3: Was he was recruited as more of a dual threat guy,
Speaker 3: and then he had the injuries and they just got
Speaker 3: away from it. But he physically I was pretty That
Speaker 3: was an eye opening experience to see those I would
Speaker 3: have guessed he's like a four to eight guy and
Speaker 3: not a great athlete, but he's not like Tua. Remember
Speaker 3: he heard his hip his last year in college, so
Speaker 3: he couldn't work out. He ain't running a four or five.
Speaker 3: He ain't sniffing no it listen to was a pocket quarterback,
Speaker 3: which I thought Penix was too. But you see these
Speaker 3: athletic numbers, kind of like the CJ strout. Now he
Speaker 3: did it more on film in that Georgia game. But
Speaker 3: one thing we know about CJ pocket quarterback, but has
Speaker 3: athletic attributes to kind of move around when shit hits
Speaker 3: the fan, which in the NFL it inevitably does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think JJ McCarthy only works if he goes
Speaker 1: to like, let's say a Minnesota. I think that that's
Speaker 1: a furnished apartment for a young quarterback, everything set up.
Speaker 1: They don't have to pay rent for a year. Donald's
Speaker 1: paying rent for a year. He'll take the hits and
Speaker 1: the bruises. Then you step in about the giant Hennick, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like anybody to the Giants. I
Speaker 1: don't like anybody right now to the Giants. So I
Speaker 1: would say Pennix to my Miami to be the next
Speaker 1: two Pennix to Seattle works. I think they're kind of
Speaker 1: ready to roll his offensive coordinator. I think McCarthy and
Speaker 1: Minnesota works.
Speaker 3: I take ms Rams is a sleeper for him.
Speaker 1: Well, the Rams a sleeper for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: So they're one of those teams that has been very
Speaker 1: successful without first round picks. This is their first first
Speaker 1: round or in a long time, and they're at nineteen.
Speaker 1: I could see the Rams sliding down if bow Knicks
Speaker 1: is there and you start I've been in a war
Speaker 1: room before you have, and you slide down and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: the next four teams don't need quarterbacks. If it's you know,
Speaker 1: at nineteen, you're getting into like Dallas May, but they
Speaker 1: need some pieces. I could see the Rams going and
Speaker 1: saying we're gonna take Bonnicks and he's gonna sit for
Speaker 1: two years. I could totally see that happening. So I
Speaker 1: think Bonnicks to me again, like a Penix, like a
Speaker 1: JJ mcarthy, it's going to be the spot. But bone
Speaker 1: Knicks may be the luckiest of all because the truth
Speaker 1: is if he goes, and I think he probably will,
Speaker 1: I think Denver is the last chance for him, then
Speaker 1: there's going to be a long stretch of people that
Speaker 1: aren't going to move up. Like if you start looking
Speaker 1: at the teams that need quarterbacks, it's not a surprise.
Speaker 1: They're mostly in the top twelve and thirteen. That's why
Speaker 1: they're bad teams. Yeah, so I think bone Knicks. I
Speaker 1: think the Rams would roll the dice on bon Nicks
Speaker 1: because the stets in Bennett didn't work. Stafford feels like
Speaker 1: he's heard at least once or twice a year that
Speaker 1: one's interesting. So I want to talk about a move
Speaker 1: that you're well aware of. I was reading Ian O'Connor
Speaker 1: gave me, you know, several chapters of his book on
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I'll just tell everybody Ian is a relentless reporter.
Speaker 1: You get background the first chapter on Aaron's family, which
Speaker 1: is it's got a history World War two. It's just fascinating, fascinating,
Speaker 1: and it's master's class storytelling. So I've read about four
Speaker 1: or five chapters. I'm giving him a little blurb for
Speaker 1: this first book. I could not put it down. I
Speaker 1: flew through it. So the first year it was kind
Speaker 1: of like, let's get friends of Aaron. Nathaniel Hackett, Alan Lazard,
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb. This offseason for the Jets, it's been like,
Speaker 1: let's just get some older players and let's go all
Speaker 1: in Tyron Smith. So they get Hassan Reddick, who I
Speaker 1: think is a very good big play pass rusher. He
Speaker 1: tends to make his best plays in the biggest moment.
Speaker 1: Eagle's got to get. You know, they're paying Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: They got to move off some salary. So I think
Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick has something in the tach maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit of a von Miller here where there'll be moments
Speaker 1: you'll be like, oh yeah, and then you'll be like
Speaker 1: he's old and he's not in his prime. But I
Speaker 1: do think it's interesting. The Hassan Reddick to me felt like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, this Aaron Rodgers thing. It not only has
Speaker 1: to work, it has to work by like October fifteenth
Speaker 1: or otherwise. I think you start losing the owner the GM.
Speaker 1: I think you start losing people with Aaron right. Like
Speaker 1: so much of the off field stuff. The book will
Speaker 1: come out with Ian O'Connor, and there's some parts that
Speaker 1: you look at it and you're like, boy, Aaron's a
Speaker 1: lot of work. So your take on the Reddick move
Speaker 1: and kind of where the Jets are with this right?
Speaker 3: Now? Did I read on the internet that Ian said
Speaker 3: he worked for a long time and Aaron finally agreed
Speaker 3: to sit down with him, so he got him for
Speaker 3: a couple hours. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Ian now he's done the book on Belichick,
Speaker 1: His Mike Skryzewsky book is God. It's good.
Speaker 3: Belch is good. I listened to it, but it's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so in the and I've only read like
Speaker 1: five chapters, but I mean the first chapter, the storytelling
Speaker 1: is insane. I don't even know how the hell you
Speaker 1: O'Connor gets it. But where are the Jets with your right?
Speaker 3: I think let's let's use Lebron and the Lakers for example.
Speaker 3: If the NBA salary cap was a little easier maneuver
Speaker 3: like the NFL this offseason, they would sign play Thompson
Speaker 3: demartin road. They would sign every old guy who has
Speaker 3: ever had any success in the NBA. They would do
Speaker 3: it immediately. And I think that's what that used to
Speaker 3: happen in the NBA a lot, right when I was
Speaker 3: a kid, These older teams kind of get together at
Speaker 3: the end of their prime. Happens a little bit in
Speaker 3: the NFL, but you kind of fall off a cliff
Speaker 3: so fa bad and guys can't kind of team up
Speaker 3: together because usually one guy gets his money here, one
Speaker 3: guy gets his money here. It does feel like they're great,
Speaker 3: I mean, one they're clearly desperate. That's not even debatable.
Speaker 3: My take last week on that story that came out
Speaker 3: about SLA and Woody was like, unless you were standing there,
Speaker 3: no one knows what the hell was going on. But
Speaker 3: sometimes in life, perception becomes reality. And if that would
Speaker 3: have been like John Lynch was yelling at Jed York,
Speaker 3: he'd be like, no way right, Or Sean McVay was
Speaker 3: arguing with Roger like I don't believe that. But when
Speaker 3: it is the Jets, you're like, I could see that, right,
Speaker 3: Because Woody Johnson's reputation is pretty well established, kind of
Speaker 3: a crazy guy to work for, not and the organizations,
Speaker 3: you know, win lost record kind of speaks for itself.
Speaker 3: Everyone's entire job, like this whole group and era is
Speaker 3: all on the line. And at one point in time,
Speaker 3: well before Aaron, when they made that trade with Jamal Adams,
Speaker 3: it looked like they had a bright, bright future. And
Speaker 3: things change fast when you miss on the quarterback. They
Speaker 3: really do, and they had to double down on the
Speaker 3: situation because they missed on Zach Wilson made the Erran trade.
Speaker 3: No one knew he would get hurt, but new Slash
Speaker 3: thirty nine year old guys sometimes get hurt in sports, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I hurt my back the other day working out. It
Speaker 3: wouldn't have happened at thirty years old, but at thirty nine,
Speaker 3: it still doesn't feel quite right. So it's it's not
Speaker 3: weird at all. And I don't know. I mean, Mike
Speaker 3: Williams seems like a great guy, awesome player when he
Speaker 3: but he's always hurt, you know. The Reddick thing. The
Speaker 3: Eagles aren't just in the business of getting rid of
Speaker 3: talented guys like that's that one's a little weird. I
Speaker 3: get their contractual situation there, but they just took the
Speaker 3: Jets pass rusher who's way younger, and then they traded
Speaker 3: him Reddick. Right, Who would you say is a better
Speaker 3: run organization when it comes to picking players and trading
Speaker 3: for guys, say the Eagles. So that that one, that's
Speaker 3: kind of a weird transaction, even though the Jets had
Speaker 3: nothing to do with Huff going over there he was
Speaker 3: just a free agent. I just think most times listen,
Speaker 3: I was with the Eagles of the Dream Team and
Speaker 3: some of these Ronnie Brown's and Jason Babbins old guys,
Speaker 3: you just age fast. In the NFL. It's you're not
Speaker 3: a kicker or punter. You're you're asked to explode, change
Speaker 3: direction and the moment that starts slipping, injuries happen, the
Speaker 3: pressure that comes with New York. I I, unless Aaron
Speaker 3: is playing at a top five level of quarterback, I
Speaker 3: don't see this team having any chance in Hill. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because there's too much noise around it. That's that's part
Speaker 3: of it in the NFL. That's really hard. Look at
Speaker 3: the Ravens like, there's not this year, once they got
Speaker 3: the Lamar situation, figured out that there's just no noise,
Speaker 3: they just played football. Even allions, they just played football,
Speaker 3: no noise. Even the Packers this year. It was bump
Speaker 3: because win loss records, but it was just like, oh,
Speaker 3: they're just normal football team playing away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was telling somebody the other day. I was having
Speaker 1: a conversation with a athletic director in the country, and
Speaker 1: this person called me a coach was leaving under their
Speaker 1: watch a major coach, and the advice I said is,
Speaker 1: and there's a little anxiety with that, you have to
Speaker 1: hire a new coach. And one of the things I
Speaker 1: said is, whenever there's a divorce, you just have to
Speaker 1: realize that, you know, your wife could end up marrying
Speaker 1: George Clooney. You have to if you're going to get
Speaker 1: a divorce, think long and hard about it. It's going
Speaker 1: to disrupt kids. It's going to disrupt your business. Like
Speaker 1: if you get a divorce from a top employee, as
Speaker 1: you own a company or you know your wife, you
Speaker 1: and your wife split, you have to be comfortable with
Speaker 1: that person succeeding. And I told the athletic director that
Speaker 1: coach could go, you know, undefeated next year. When Farv left,
Speaker 1: he had about two good years left. And then Farv's personality,
Speaker 1: a little bit of a gunslinger on and off the field,
Speaker 1: got him in a little trouble. And then Aaron by
Speaker 1: that time had established it. And when Aaron left, Green
Speaker 1: Bay was sitting there thinking, yeah, for two years, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to eat it. Peyton Manning leaves, the Cols
Speaker 1: goes to Denver. You got to kind of eat it
Speaker 1: for two years and be comfortable with it. But Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck pretty quickly everybody went, oh, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: Aaron pretty quickly with Farv, I get it. What's interesting,
Speaker 1: I thought, Jordan Love by Thanksgiving of the first year,
Speaker 1: it was like, and I really believe this is he
Speaker 1: better than Aaron right now? He way more athletic.
Speaker 3: Even him in the NFL that would obviously you factor
Speaker 3: an age, but he was been Airon didn't play well
Speaker 3: the year before for the Packers, and I and I sat.
Speaker 1: There and I thought, this, that doesn't help Aaron. Like
Speaker 1: it did help Aaron when when Farv kind of dovetailed,
Speaker 1: It's like, we made the right move right and it
Speaker 1: does help when when Peyton Manning got hurt in Denver,
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, Luck was the right move. Shit, Jordan
Speaker 1: loves better right now. And I don't think that's a
Speaker 1: hot take.
Speaker 3: No. I don't have the Minnesota Vikings eight roster off
Speaker 3: the top of my head, but I remember being pretty
Speaker 3: good the one far of that year they had. They
Speaker 3: had they were great. Adrian Peterson I think was young
Speaker 3: on that team. They had multiple wifers, should have gone
Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl. Yeah, the defense was good that roster.
Speaker 3: I bet if we went player for player compared to
Speaker 3: this Jets not even remotely the same. Obviously far have
Speaker 3: had that one last throwback year. I had a d
Speaker 3: M the other day that I was like, I hadn't
Speaker 3: really thought about that. He's like everyone's mocking either a
Speaker 3: wide receiver or the tight end to the Jets, right,
Speaker 3: get a little more offensive firepower, especially someone young, and
Speaker 3: they're like, Aaron doesn't like young players at that position.
Speaker 3: He's got that hit. Tom Brady was a saying they
Speaker 3: don't mess, They do not throw him the ball. So
Speaker 3: you draft Rock Bauers or you draft Roman doone say, well,
Speaker 3: if he doesn't, if they're not on the exact That's
Speaker 3: why he likes Randall, cobp right, that's why he always
Speaker 3: pounded the table for James Jones. The wide receivers he likes.
Speaker 3: He really likes DeVante. He trusts them implicitly, young players.
Speaker 3: It's a lot going on. So that's that's something to
Speaker 3: keep an eye on who they end up drafting high
Speaker 3: because if it is a skill guy and maybe you say, well,
Speaker 3: they just signed Mike Williams, they don't need it as much. Well,
Speaker 3: I don't know if Mike Williams the most dependable individual
Speaker 3: going at that position. So I just think the Robert
Speaker 3: solid thing. He's a really good guy, he's easy to
Speaker 3: root for. But sometimes you just go to a non
Speaker 3: organization like maybe it's just not it's in borderline impossible
Speaker 3: there to win Right now with the way what he
Speaker 3: is and the Johnson family, I'm not absolving like Roberts
Speaker 3: some dynamic code so far. And it all gets back
Speaker 3: to the Zach. I mean this, this Aaron story dates
Speaker 3: back to the Rogers or the Zach Wilson bick because
Speaker 3: if they had hit on that, now you could argue
Speaker 3: that after Trevor Lawrence, they all, you know, are on
Speaker 3: different teams, right, I think wood he came out and
Speaker 3: said at the owners meetings, this is a great, you know,
Speaker 3: tell sign of organization where it's like, what is this
Speaker 3: guy saying if we can't trade him, because no one's
Speaker 3: trading for his eight million dollars as a backup quarterback,
Speaker 3: he will be on the team. It's like, will boy,
Speaker 3: why wouldn't would he just go, hey, this is their job.
Speaker 3: I stay out of it. That's what most owners do.
Speaker 3: It's why most owners don't talk that often, right, They
Speaker 3: just it just makes it more complicated. They don't really
Speaker 3: have a choice. Of the owners meetings. They kind of
Speaker 3: throw the local guys a bone, but for the most
Speaker 3: part they never say anything because the moment they say something,
Speaker 3: that's the headline. So yeah, I'm just I'm just betting
Speaker 3: against the Jets. I really am.
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about this. John Lynch is
Speaker 1: very liked. I covered him as a player, He's a
Speaker 1: great guy's a broadcaster and as a GM. But it
Speaker 1: is interesting now brock Perties obviously that goes on the tombstone.
Speaker 1: You know, he got him his seventh. But I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this the other day, is that San Francis
Speaker 1: the Niners are fascinating, missed on Trey Lance, missed on
Speaker 1: Gray the SMU receiver, They've missed on two third round
Speaker 1: running backs. Is that Kyle tends to.
Speaker 3: May have not drafted well recently at all.
Speaker 1: And it's like Kyle makes a lot of stuff work.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about you on this if I
Speaker 1: was now less Sneed last year hit on multiple defensive players,
Speaker 1: you know, multiple guys. Then he hits on Pooka and
Speaker 1: then the offensive lineman at TCU. We knew was going
Speaker 1: to be good. But I was thinking about this in
Speaker 1: the NFL. So Ryan Poles played offense, but he's got
Speaker 1: a defensive coach, So you can argue Ryan knows offensive
Speaker 1: personnel better. You know he should draft offensive lineman. He
Speaker 1: was one, And I thought to myself, Lynch has had
Speaker 1: so many misses and Shanahan makes virtually everything work offensively.
Speaker 1: That do you have every situations in the NFL where
Speaker 1: a GM like I think to myself, I'm a GM,
Speaker 1: what is my coach's specialty. I'm going to hit on
Speaker 1: a much higher percentage of my draft picks like McVeigh
Speaker 1: and running backs. McVeigh in receiver he makes two two
Speaker 1: at well work now he was a bust. McVeigh has
Speaker 1: saved a lot of Less needs misses. Now Less hasn't
Speaker 1: had a ton of them, but he's had a couple
Speaker 1: of them. When you don't have first round picks and
Speaker 1: a second round is a miss Logan Bruss Wisconsin guard
Speaker 1: to tow at well, you're not getting players to the
Speaker 1: third round. Do you think in the NFL that there
Speaker 1: are gms that literally to elevate their stature or protect
Speaker 1: their job that they are drafting. I'm sure Bets based
Speaker 1: on the coach.
Speaker 3: I think the good teams don't think like that. I
Speaker 3: mean John was rich well before he signed up to
Speaker 3: be the Niner GM, and now he's probably a top
Speaker 3: two or three high paid GM. He's got multiple contract extensions.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's worried about that crap at all.
Speaker 3: I think sometimes when you come up maybe less early
Speaker 3: on in his career, I mean, this was his life,
Speaker 3: right A scout or a guy like that, they know
Speaker 3: this is their one shot. I mean, if John had
Speaker 3: failed at it, he'd go right back to broadcasting. And
Speaker 3: like I said, he was already a multimillionaire as a player.
Speaker 3: I think sometimes I always defended this because I saw
Speaker 3: it with Trent balky Is when they had a couple
Speaker 3: of years of building the great Niner team before Harbaugh
Speaker 3: got there, and he mccluwan was kind of the GM,
Speaker 3: but he was his right hand guy. It is a
Speaker 3: lot easier to draft when you suck, because you don't
Speaker 3: just draft if I had the fourth pick. Look at
Speaker 3: the Rams last year. I know they didn't have their
Speaker 3: first round pick right because Detroit had it, but they
Speaker 3: had a high pick in every round after that. And
Speaker 3: when you win, like they have this year, or the
Speaker 3: Niners or the Ravens. You're picking at the end of
Speaker 3: the round. So the pressure on that pick, your pool
Speaker 3: of picking people is just smaller. Right, It'd be like
Speaker 3: any company trying to hire a group of twenty people. Well,
Speaker 3: you can't get the pool of the top twenty people.
Speaker 3: What if I removed fourteen of those people and the
Speaker 3: people that other companies in your industry thought were the best,
Speaker 3: so you only have the pool of six. It just
Speaker 3: makes it more difficult. And the Niners, because of the
Speaker 3: Trey Lance trade, obviously didn't have high picks, and then
Speaker 3: they weren't picking to the second and third round. I
Speaker 3: mean a lot of their picks have come with these
Speaker 3: like diversity hires. They've gotten these comp picks and they've
Speaker 3: they've whiffed on a lot. And sometimes I think the
Speaker 3: kin Law example is good. Their first ever draft pick,
Speaker 3: they took Solomon Thomas, didn't work, didn't care. But he's
Speaker 3: still in the NFL. Right, He's just a solid player.
Speaker 3: He probably should have been like a second or third
Speaker 3: round pick, but he was drafted. But a lot of
Speaker 3: it was super high character, super hard worker, and why
Speaker 3: he is still gonna be like he's gonna have a
Speaker 3: ten year career. But it was there wasn't a high ceiling.
Speaker 3: Guy Kin lost the opposite a lot of questions, but
Speaker 3: holy shit, you see him, You see the flashes, and
Speaker 3: then they whiffed on both and you start kind of
Speaker 3: Nick Bosa, you my mom, my neighbor. Anyone can pick that.
Speaker 3: The other picks are difficult. So and your previous missus
Speaker 3: impact and your roster. Right, it was a lot harder
Speaker 3: to make the Rams three or four years ago. It
Speaker 3: was difficult. It's why they could justify We'll get rid
Speaker 3: of a first round pick, get Jalen Ramsey, get who
Speaker 3: von Miller, Like we don't have room on the roster.
Speaker 3: Well this year they had a ton of room. They
Speaker 3: needed those picks right now, the forty nine ers, these
Speaker 3: last it's been difficult. It hasn't helped. And I think
Speaker 3: you saw the depth in the Super Bowl. Chiefs just
Speaker 3: had more depth. Well the Chiefs, well, the Niners gave
Speaker 3: away first round picks. The Chiefs actually inherited some because
Speaker 3: they got rid of Tyreek Hill, so they just had
Speaker 3: and they hit on more picks. So that depth. It
Speaker 3: could just be a player here or two Obviously it
Speaker 3: helps having Patrick Mahomes, but I think that you obviously.
Speaker 3: The other thing is Kyle's the ball us. You know.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of these organizations the head coach
Speaker 3: once he's if he wants to like, I want this
Speaker 3: guy now they have a good relationship, just like a
Speaker 3: lot of teams with powerful head coaches. But the gms
Speaker 3: will tell you off the record, I don't always get
Speaker 3: to do what I want to do. So you just
Speaker 3: got to capitulate to your coaching staff. And it's not
Speaker 3: even just the head coach, it's the assistance the assistants have.
Speaker 3: Takes Colin and be like if everyone had a podcast
Speaker 3: in the coaching staff, well, their podcast gets listened to
Speaker 3: by the head coach, not the personnel people. So he's like, oh, oh,
Speaker 3: my guy wants this, and you just kind of trust
Speaker 3: him a little bit more than maybe your area scout
Speaker 3: or your college director that they have. That's an underrated
Speaker 3: part about the NFL is the assistant coach's impact on
Speaker 3: a draft because they streamline right to the headman. If
Speaker 3: they like a guy through the head coach, you want that.
Speaker 3: You want your assistant coach to like them and believe
Speaker 3: in them. Especially when you have a high level of
Speaker 3: trust in that assistant. So that's that's where things can
Speaker 3: get a little walky right around this time, really these
Speaker 3: next three weeks or where a lot of the boards
Speaker 3: getting set, assistant coaches are flying in with takes out
Speaker 3: of left field. You know, all of a sudden, we
Speaker 3: had a guy in the fifth round and he thinks
Speaker 3: we should take him in the top fifty. I mean
Speaker 3: because he knows his dad, or he loved him as
Speaker 3: a player, or he's tight, he's a college teammate of
Speaker 3: the guy's position coach at Alabama or USC. This is
Speaker 3: when things start getting really weird, and most teams their
Speaker 3: meetings start this week, So buckle up, personnel people like you.
Speaker 1: I love the draft forever, but you are a professional scout.
Speaker 1: I always feel there's like about two players per draft
Speaker 1: that can't miss. So take out quarterbacks. Take quarterbacks out
Speaker 1: because they are very dependent on where they land. But
Speaker 1: a guy can rush the passer or he can't. A
Speaker 1: guy can catch or he can't. This draft does feel
Speaker 1: like to me, it's got about five guys. I don't
Speaker 1: see Marvin Harrison Junior missing. I think he's just I
Speaker 1: don't think brock Bowers is missing Joe Alt those guys
Speaker 1: jump out to me. Is the kid at Oregon State,
Speaker 1: the right tackle who, like you can't find bad tape
Speaker 1: on him. It does feel like this draft, But like
Speaker 1: the there are players in this draft. I think sometimes
Speaker 1: receivers can be very dependent on the environment and the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks are very dependent on several people, including the play caller.
Speaker 1: But if I said to you two guys in the
Speaker 1: draft as a former scout, because I always thought Patrick
Speaker 1: willis the ole miss linebacker. I was told by a
Speaker 1: GM thirty two teams he'd worked for. I was told
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchison out of Michigan, Like that's going to work.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of somebody else, Calvin Johnson, Gerald,
Speaker 1: Julio Jones. I mean, right, they're gonna work. Is give
Speaker 1: me the two guys here. Let's say they go to
Speaker 1: a lousy situation. You cannot see failing.
Speaker 3: Well. I don't see how it's possible for a kid
Speaker 3: from Napa, California to go to the best program in
Speaker 3: the country at Georgia and brock Bauers, I would say
Speaker 3: pretty immediately as a freshman in the definitely the most
Speaker 3: athletic conference in the country, was one of their best players,
Speaker 3: and by year two or three, he's arguably the best
Speaker 3: player in the country pound for pound, as.
Speaker 1: Good as any most productive tight end I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in college.
Speaker 3: So you get this guy that goes It would have
Speaker 3: been easy for a West Coast guy go to Oregon,
Speaker 3: go to USC even in Oklahoma or Texas.
Speaker 4: Not go.
Speaker 3: He went all the way to where the pressure was
Speaker 3: brightest and dominated. I don't see, and I know there's comparison,
Speaker 3: doesn't really block well. The game's changed a lot. We
Speaker 3: have a lot more of these hybrid tight ends, a
Speaker 3: lot more of the Travis Kelce style. He's very like
Speaker 3: any receiver dependent on a quarterback to throwing the ball, obviously,
Speaker 3: but how's he not going to be a good NFL pro?
Speaker 3: I saw some of his measurables. They put right next
Speaker 3: to laporta very similar size, a little harder to I
Speaker 3: think sometimes those big ten tight ends, because you're like, well,
Speaker 3: who's the you know, defenders he playing against. There's no debate.
Speaker 3: Think about the guys he went and practiced against Colin.
Speaker 3: If I was a scout, I wouldn't even need to
Speaker 3: watch game table be like, can I just get your
Speaker 3: Georgia practice tape from a.
Speaker 4: Year ago, your entire draft when the you know, eleven
Speaker 4: guys on defense? What uh so I think they had
Speaker 4: eighteen guys on defense go over a two year span.
Speaker 4: I can't imagine Kirby's like, yeah, we couldn't cover him
Speaker 4: there either, So I don't see how it's possible.
Speaker 3: I was texting about sometimes height at tackle, like there's
Speaker 3: six six, like a Trent Williams, Jason Peters. I think, uh,
Speaker 3: Lane Johnson sixt' five, like six ' eight, six ' nine,
Speaker 3: can get a little tall because von Miller or Nick
Speaker 3: Bosted these guys where they are to the ground, it's
Speaker 3: just hard to touch them. But from what I've heard
Speaker 3: about Joe All, it's just his athleticism. I just don't
Speaker 3: see how he's not gonna be good now. The one
Speaker 3: thing with him, because I was texting, I was like,
Speaker 3: should the Chargers if they get stuck, just take them.
Speaker 3: They're like, well, you already at the left tackle. Just
Speaker 3: get a touchdown guy for Herbert. You can get a
Speaker 3: right tackle maybe in the second round. You've already got
Speaker 3: that position. You don't need to force it. If you
Speaker 3: do get stuck there. Just take whoever you think the
Speaker 3: best skilled guy is. And there are some talented guys,
Speaker 3: and most people believe the three wide receivers, and you
Speaker 3: and I talked about I saw James Jones, which I
Speaker 3: understand a lot of the players are like, God, it's bullshit.
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison isn't doing anything when all the other guys
Speaker 3: worked out, all the quarterbacks, all the wide receivers. I
Speaker 3: heard neighbors at the LSU pro day, which I don't
Speaker 3: know if you saw some pictures I think was a
Speaker 3: zoo of NFL people. Yeah, it was like, Okay, Marvin
Speaker 3: wats this because he you know, he thinks he's gonna
Speaker 3: go number one. I defend Marvin in the sense he's
Speaker 3: everything he's doing is because his dad's telling him. And
Speaker 3: when your dad's in the Hall of Fame, if he
Speaker 3: tells you jump, you say how high? So it's like,
Speaker 3: I don't believe it's his own choice. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: he's not agreeing to it, But what's he supposed to do?
Speaker 3: Tell his dad? He doesn't know what he's talking about,
Speaker 3: But that that neighbors Connie ran a foe. He's a
Speaker 3: fantastic tape. I mean dominated the SEC ran a four
Speaker 3: to three five and jump forty two inches. I mean
Speaker 3: pretty rare athletes. So you know, it's hard. I don't
Speaker 3: know what to gauge on Harbaugh. I think I said
Speaker 3: you and I talked about this last week about the
Speaker 3: wide receivers, and someone hit me up, like the Ravens
Speaker 3: have taken wide receivers over the years. Yeah, in the
Speaker 3: twenties when they're good, when they've drafted high to Loodinada.
Speaker 3: It's Ronnie Stanley now that I don't know if that
Speaker 3: guy's really here, right. There's not a great pass rusher
Speaker 3: in this the Bama guy, I don't think he's viewed
Speaker 3: as a top ten player. Like we talked about, they
Speaker 3: don't need a left hackle. You could, I guess, take
Speaker 3: the Oregon State guy. There probably be a little rich,
Speaker 3: but I don't know. You know, if Harbaugh didn't take
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison. He's seen him back to back years, right
Speaker 3: and seeing him on crossfilm for three years at Michigan,
Speaker 3: that'd be a little interesting, neighbors is from what you know.
Speaker 3: He's had some incidents over the years, but his talent,
Speaker 3: I think they feel he's pretty buttoned up right now.
Speaker 3: Rome honestly feels kind of like a Harbaugh guy. But
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think the Chargers are fascinating, But yeah,
Speaker 3: I would go Brock Bowers. I don't see how he's
Speaker 3: not if you got, if you gave him, if you
Speaker 3: just put him on the Chargers, which I don't think
Speaker 3: you know that, he would immediately make like nine ten
Speaker 3: you know, ish million dollars in a tight end. The
Speaker 3: franchise tags twelve. So ideally taking a tight end that high,
Speaker 3: you're already paying him premium money. But I think he'd
Speaker 3: be a premium player immediately. I think he would dominate.
Speaker 3: If you told me brought Bauers on the Chargers next year,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, he catches eighty eight.
Speaker 1: Balls when you nine touchdowns. I mean, here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: Letting Gerald Everett go to the Bears. They don't have
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're they're well below average in the
Speaker 1: NFL at tight end and so and Herbert, I mean,
Speaker 1: can you imagine him having a six to six target,
Speaker 1: you know, because he was so he's been so effective
Speaker 1: with Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. I mean, so he's
Speaker 1: one of those guys that will throw guys open. A
Speaker 1: lot of young quarterbacks, don't he throw? He throws young
Speaker 1: guys open. All right, so you know we kind of
Speaker 1: get ready.
Speaker 3: You know, I was.
Speaker 1: It's interesting I as I get older, you know, I
Speaker 1: used to hate to take time off. I just didn't
Speaker 1: like to do it. Maybe it was some insecurity. But
Speaker 1: as I've gotten older, I like to travel with my kids.
Speaker 1: I like to travel with my wife. And so I
Speaker 1: was talking to my son today about going. We went
Speaker 1: to Iceland last year. It had an absolute ball. He
Speaker 1: doesn't like heat. He likes cold. So we're gonna go
Speaker 1: to Ireland here to a couple of years, maybe this year,
Speaker 1: and in the summer. You know, I'm kind of fighting
Speaker 1: to get my staff time off, and I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get some time off. I love to go to the
Speaker 1: Northeast in the summer, which is Nantucket. I've been to
Speaker 1: the Hamptons twice, but it's not my favorite. I have
Speaker 1: a place in Rhode Island. So if I said to
Speaker 1: you John, because you live in Arizona and it's hot,
Speaker 1: I said, okay, you can take your beautiful girlfriend. You
Speaker 1: get ten days. It's paid. And everybody now we're moving
Speaker 1: into spring. You know, golf vacations. I'm gonna go. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna play golf in Ireland. I'm gonna go to
Speaker 1: the castles and Dublin, that kind of stuff. You and
Speaker 1: your girlfriend ten days, all expenses paid. Where is your
Speaker 1: summer vacation.
Speaker 3: Well, she's on me right now, Colin, because I think
Speaker 3: I can relate to your younger self. I could just
Speaker 3: we got this thing rolling, We got momentum. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not a big take things off. I don't like
Speaker 3: being away now obviously, even in the month of July
Speaker 3: for football it slows down. But I could find a
Speaker 3: way to do podcasts. She likes to travel a lot,
Speaker 3: and you know that's one area we but it had
Speaker 3: it's come working now. I can also take this with me,
Speaker 3: so I don't really have it. This isn't nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3: I don't have an excuse if I want to. We
Speaker 3: looked yesterday pretty closely at Costa Rica.
Speaker 2: Oh it's nice.
Speaker 3: It looks pretty beautiful. She wants to go somewhere to
Speaker 3: the beach her mom. A couple of years ago, her
Speaker 3: dad had passed and fine, she bought a condo in Tahoe,
Speaker 3: so we can go up there. But she, you know,
Speaker 3: we've both been going to Tahoe most of our life,
Speaker 3: which is awesome in the summer, but something that we
Speaker 3: haven't done. We looked a little at the Bahamas. I've
Speaker 3: never been to either. Hell, I've never even been to Cabbo.
Speaker 3: But she kind of on me about Costa Rica. So
Speaker 3: we looked pretty closely yesterday, and that feels like where
Speaker 3: we might end up sometime in July.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. My dad later in his life went
Speaker 1: to Russia and he went to Egypt, and so my dad,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a different way to travel back then.
Speaker 1: But it is weird when you look back at your
Speaker 1: parents and how they you become a hopefully a you know,
Speaker 1: a better version of your parents, or you know, a
Speaker 1: more aware version of your parents. I mean, there's we're
Speaker 1: all a little self consumed now just because of social media.
Speaker 1: But it's my dad traveled a lot, and I always
Speaker 1: enjoyed traveling on my turns, but I've I've I've gotten
Speaker 1: a travel bug here. Maybe it's because my wife is
Speaker 1: such a great travel partner. She's funny, she loves food.
Speaker 1: Her son's a chef, so he gives us all the
Speaker 1: places to eat. But I got to tell you, my
Speaker 1: son chose Iceland. A year ago. I said, choose anywhere
Speaker 1: in the world we're going to go in May. He
Speaker 1: chose Iceland. I had so much damn fun. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I was cold the entire vacation. Volcanos waterfalls.
Speaker 1: He and I like, we talk about it, like every
Speaker 1: third time we talked, We're like, God, I miss Iceland.
Speaker 1: So I think I'm gonna go to Iceland for a
Speaker 1: day or two, that into Ireland and that'll be it.
Speaker 3: My dad and his dad was a big fly fisherman,
Speaker 3: loved to fly fish, yeah, And when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: his dad used to take him for about ten to
Speaker 3: fifteen days to New Zealand and they did my entire
Speaker 3: life up until my grandpa got really old and wasn't
Speaker 3: able to do it. And they My grandpa had taught
Speaker 3: at cal and he was an academic, but he was
Speaker 3: a big I don't even know how he would fit
Speaker 3: in nowadays, big hunter and fishermen, big outdoorsmen. And he
Speaker 3: befriended like one of the main guides there. So these
Speaker 3: guys would always take care of them. And when I
Speaker 3: was twelve years old. You know, this was a different
Speaker 3: my dad would It's like the family went just those
Speaker 3: two wins and I got to go in sixth grade
Speaker 3: fly to New Zealand by my and I still have
Speaker 3: a pictures. I mean it was and I told him,
Speaker 3: I said, bungee jumping was invented there, the first place
Speaker 3: bungee jumping ever happened. So I was like, Dad, I'll
Speaker 3: do it. Let's drive there. So he rented a car.
Speaker 3: We had to drive three hours. I forget the city
Speaker 3: we were. Maybe it was in Auckland. And when I
Speaker 3: got there, you had to be thirteen. You had to
Speaker 3: sign a waiver. And you know, this is in the nineties.
Speaker 3: There's not like IDs or anything. And I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it. And then we kind of walk
Speaker 3: and we get to the spot where I'm going to
Speaker 3: do I'm like, I'm twelve years old. I'm twelve years old.
Speaker 3: I can't do it, and I ran away. It was
Speaker 3: but the it's one of the most it's got to
Speaker 3: be one of the most beautiful places in the world.
Speaker 3: I mean Jurassic Park, you know film there. It's just
Speaker 3: it's if you like the outdoors, there's not much to
Speaker 3: do that I remember. I mean it's pretty mellow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say island vibes because it can be a
Speaker 3: little colder, but it's just it's a mellow just absolutely
Speaker 3: go at least in my experience, it's why he liked
Speaker 3: going there. So it's a long trap. I mean, you're
Speaker 3: coming from California. It's I think it's like seventeen.
Speaker 1: Hours years ago. I was I had an Australian bug,
Speaker 1: and I remember asking Lachlan Murdoch, Rupert's son who now
Speaker 1: runs Fox About. I think he invited me either to
Speaker 1: a fight or to a party at his house, and
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I've always wanted to go there.
Speaker 1: He goes, you live in Manhattan Beach. It's the same thing.
Speaker 1: He goes, It's the same weather.
Speaker 3: He goes.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a bigger city. He goes, there's a
Speaker 1: million places to go. He goes, I love Australia, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: But he goes, Manhattan Beach is like sixty five seventy
Speaker 1: percent of it. And I was like, all right, that's
Speaker 1: a guy that's traveled everywhere in the world. I will
Speaker 1: tell you, have you done Italy yet.
Speaker 3: I did it? When I was in my early twenties.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I did Chingatare, I did Rome. It's a
Speaker 3: powerful place. Rome was one. Rome was really powerful.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Florence, Rome, Yeah, sicily powerful is a great one.
Speaker 3: I would go. I would go back there again, and
Speaker 3: I will in a heartbeat. I thought that was. I
Speaker 3: did Spain. I'm not Spain wasn't much for hos partying
Speaker 3: and it was cool for that. I wouldn't need to
Speaker 3: go back. I would. I could move to Italy. It
Speaker 3: feels like I mean, it's well, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: I told my wife. I said I would have And
Speaker 1: I can be a little impulsive on stuff like this,
Speaker 1: but I said, I would have no problem in retirement
Speaker 1: going and living in Italy, for I'd want to be
Speaker 1: out of there by like June fifteenth. They don't have
Speaker 1: air conditioning as well.
Speaker 3: Swampy. It's swampy.
Speaker 1: And I said, but if you told me mid February
Speaker 1: to mid June whenever I retire, and I'm not retiring late,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm not working until I'm seventy five,
Speaker 1: I said, I'd have no problem. Florence is a walking city.
Speaker 1: I lost seven pounds in Florence and all I did
Speaker 1: was eat pasta and pizza.
Speaker 3: Well you're you're always on your feet, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: And you go to Europe and you go, god, I'm
Speaker 3: eating a lot and you feel lighter. That's their motive.
Speaker 3: I mean we never or go anywhere without hopping in
Speaker 3: a car. Also, they're started walking at all costs.
Speaker 1: Their food doesn't have the preservatives we are, So that's true,
Speaker 1: much cleaner, all right. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, Go
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