WEBVTT - NOLAN WELLS BOMBSHELL: DEATH-THREAT "BLOOD, SO MUCH BLOOD" 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:09.280 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Bombshell tonight and the investigation 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.799 of the death of a young man, Nolan Wells' death 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:17.759 threats are flying. One actually says there's gonna be blood, 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:24.720 so much blood. Another death threat says don't go outside. 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:30.160 How can anybody do their jobs when they're getting death threats. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.240 Not only that, we understand this case is headed to 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.280 eight grand jury. We also learned tonight that the state's 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:43.360 autopsy is complete, but is being kept secret. Isn't an 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:48.519 autopsy a public document? Why is it being kept hidden 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:52.960 from us the public? What is in that autopsy? The 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:57.280 first autopsy of Nolan Wells. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.400 This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you being 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:00.760 with us. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:08.160 Uh. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.040 The young lady Katie that he was hanging out with, 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.640 I saw a text message from her alluding to the 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.679 fact that she never saw him get on that boat 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.319 at all. They could have been saying don't die or 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.240 is it dead referring to the bill as pump. Somebody 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.480 would have seen something if there was a dramatic commotion 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:25.880 like this occurring on that boat. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:30.080 I hope no one wills died by accident. I'm not 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:49.720 shutting down our crime stories investigation until I know. 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:53.240 O god, hey, we're the West tip of born at 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.280 our Billage soft work and we're going, we're thinking, can 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:04.240 you all please? Can we have I've never should jo, 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:07.680 what'd you say? 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.960 You know? If that sound is real? There's no getting 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:16.000 away from that and all this business about there's no connection. Well, 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:20.440 I listened to a good forty seconds of Ctoe Sea 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:25.320 second Word tow on Hold, listen to their music. There 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:29.040 is plenty good connection. But before I can even get 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:33.200 to the death threats of blood, so much blood, blood everywhere, 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.720 and don't step outside, and more, before I can even 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:38.720 get to the grand jury, before I can get to 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.160 the autopsy that's being kept hidden from us. I want 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:49.320 you to meet someone very important critical to this investigation. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:58.119 Her name, Janetta Brantley, MSS Brantley is the audio engineer 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:02.359 who enhanced the nine one one call, the STO call 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:07.959 in the Nolan Wells case. So everybody claiming some ding 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.440 dong on YouTube did it, or somebody on Insta TikTok 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:15.679 did it, No, she did it. I've spoken to her, 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:22.000 I've read her statement. I want you to judge her credibility. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.280 Credibility is normally the sole province of a jury, and 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:32.680 tonight you serve in that function, Miss Brantley. I'm sure 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:39.960 that you're getting all sorts of abuse, threats and so forth. 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:45.040 It's a cacophony that seemingly won't cease. That said, thank 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.880 you for being with us tonight. Explain to me where 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.640 you got the audio, how you got the audio, and 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:57.640 what if anything you did to enhance the audio. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:04.720 First and foremost, I basically downloaded it off of YouTube 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:10.600 from WLOX News's YouTube site. And when I downloaded it, 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.080 I ripped it off of YouTube. That's the terminology that 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.960 we use when we take something off of YouTube. But 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:18.679 when I ripped it off of YouTube and I pulled 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:18.960 it in. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:25.039 Pause place, objection, Miss Brandley, Isn't it true? Said the 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:32.200 audio you got was taken directly by XLO from m 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:39.480 d m R. Correct, the Mississippi Department of Marine Resources. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:40.280 Isn't that true? 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:41.560 Yes? 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.120 Okay, please continue, miss Brandley. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.599 So when I downloaded it from YouTube, I pulled it 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.440 into my dog, which is logic pro x that's my 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:51.440 dog choice. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:53.120 And when I first listened to. 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:57.599 It, I realized that it was like a dual mono recording, 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:58.680 which most. 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.240 What is it, like most. 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:07.200 Phone services or operators used utilize when they're recording conversations, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:11.000 And so it was already split between the caller, the 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:15.000 dispatch and the callers in the in the background. And 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.440 so that's what made it easy for me to isolate 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.400 it without having to do much to it. So that isolation, 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.000 when I separated the left channel from the right channel, 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:25.880 that just made me be able to really focus on 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:26.719 everything that. 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.839 Was on the call. And what I was hearing was like. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.200 Like I couldn't I honestly could not believe what I 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:33.640 was hearing. 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:38.040 Mischianetta Branley. Isn't it true? This is the same audio 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.640 that was released by the Mississippi Department of Marine Resources. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:45.880 Yes, that is absolutely correct. 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:59.239 Let's listen to it one more time. Oh my god. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.279 Hey, we're at the west tip of Born and uh, 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.840 our village stops work and we're going we're thinking, can 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:12.400 you all please come? We have a membership? 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:16.000 Doesn't stop? 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:21.839 What did you say? 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:23.920 It's coming up? It's it's we're just thinking. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.320 I don't know, like we're going down there, I don't know. 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:28.000 The phone number. 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:32.120 It's it's either I think it's try that. 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:37.080 I know we have a membership, like guaranteed, I don't 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:37.960 have the tag on here. 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:38.760 You got ripped off? 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.640 What I. 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:49.719 No, we do not any of that. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:07:02.200 Long drop got to jump in and pull the plug 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:07.240 while you're going, they gotta here. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:08.559 Got hello? 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:14.640 Okay, what's going on? 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:15.120 What's up? 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.000 We're at the west tip of Born and uh are 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:20.400 dose st working. 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.840 We're going, We're thinking, can you all please? Can we 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:36.920 have a membership? 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:54.280 A Hey, we're at the west tip of. 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.440 Born and uh our dog sat working. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.960 We're going, We're thinking, can you'll please can we have. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:01.040 I ever should. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:09.120 Back to Janetta Brantley joining us tonight, and she shows 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:14.840 herself in that video showing what she is doing. What 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.720 does adding eq mean? Miss Brandley? 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:23.760 Adding eq is basically selecting a certain frequency of the 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:28.800 actual sound and either deleting or removing a certain noise 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:34.439 something that's problematic to the ear, deleting that or boosting that. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.520 That's literally all equing is. 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:44.400 What was your process, Janetta? Because I was sitting researching. 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:48.000 It was early, early, early in the morning, like five 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.520 point forty five am several days ago, and I was 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:56.160 researching the Nolan Whales case. And I saw the transcript 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:02.040 as it was being played, and my husband was also up. 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.920 He said, what's wrong. I'm like, if this is real, 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:11.160 this changes everything. It changes everything, because up until that point, 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.240 it seemed as if no one's death could very well 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:21.280 have been an accident. If this is real, it changes everything. 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:26.679 It's seismic. What was your reaction when you heard these words, 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:31.280 Janetta Brantley. 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.880 I think at my core, I was in disbelief. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:39.480 I wasn't cleaning it or enhancing it to specifically look 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.480 for or identify a crime, or even point the fingers 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:43.120 at anybody. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.400 I believe I wanted it to be an accident. I 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.440 think a lot of us wanted it to be an accident. 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:52.000 So when I heard those things, When I heard damn 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.839 it Bart, that name stood out to me because I. 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.240 Hadn't even heard that name before. 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.920 As I was listening to certain things that stood out 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.080 to me, I was at I was in disbelief because again, 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.720 I'm just an audio engineer. I'm not an investigator, detective, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.200 or anything like that. So when I heard a name 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.400 that I wasn't familiar with, it stood out to me, 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.480 and that alone made me want to hear what was 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.520 immediately said after dammit Bart. And so that's why in 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.480 that process where damit Bart came in loud and clear 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.760 to me, I decided to go over to the next 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.360 part to hear what the rest of that statement was, 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:32.480 which is where you saw me actually create a loop over. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.640 That part, split that part and. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.000 Then add a gain, which the gain is boosting the 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.680 volume overall. And that's pretty much what you saw me 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.600 do in that actual video. And so to hear you know, 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:49.440 damnit Bart, Nolan's really dead now that I couldn't believe it. 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.520 I could not believe it. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.880 My reaction to Janetta because when I first heard it, 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.400 I thought, this, this has got to be a doctor. 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:10.959 This can't be real crime stories with Nancy Grace straight 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:15.040 out to a veteran trial lawyer, Franz Borcoart, a veteran 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.319 trial lawyer joining us out of the Baton Rouge jurisdiction 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:23.960 at Borghart's law firm. Franz, take off your defense hat 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:28.760 just one moment. I have introduced wire taps many times 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:34.080 at trials, which very hard to get, by the way, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:40.000 and I've never had one that I believed was doctored 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.720 at the time because they were taken by law enforcement. 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:49.040 This is from a completely independent source with no dog 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.920 in the fight, no skin in the game. It's from 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:59.960 dispatch at Seto, And if this is real, this blows 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:04.240 the case wide up. Now you saw Janetta Brantley, You've 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:08.640 heard her. I have no reason to disbelieve anything she's saying. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.360 So if I'm prosecuting this, I need I'm worried that 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.520 I need a witness in twenty twenty six to exclude 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:20.200 the possibility that it's either AI generated or doctor just 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.199 like you suggested. And I think that she's very credible, 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.720 but I think we need to go one step further. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:29.160 The other concern I have, Nancy, is if the independent 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:34.320 autopsy is showing inconclusive death results, now I really want 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.320 to see the other autopsy to see is there trauma 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.800 to the body? Is there something that happened. These are 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.520 the concerns I would have as a prosecutor. But we've 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:46.040 now opened the doors to these guys may in fact 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:47.920 have committed obstruction of justice. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.880 Hold on, hold on, you're put in the cart before 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:55.280 the horse. Before we talk about obstructions such as allegedly 0:12:55.440 --> 0:13:02.000 lying or covering something up, you've already mentioned two distinct 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:06.720 lines of inquiry one is that the audio that Janetta 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:16.840 Brantley enhanced innocently I believe had been already AI or doctored. Okay, 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.720 let's follow that through to its logical conclusion. You just 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.880 throw that out there like a stink bomb at the circle. 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:27.920 You know what a circle meeting is? Right in the 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.520 United Methodist Church, all the ladies have circle meetings. Okay. 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.560 To suggest this was doctored before Janetta got it means 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:41.080 it had to have been doctored or AI created by who, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:46.440 the Mississippi Department of Marine Resources. No, no, no, don't 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.000 just go h. That doesn't work in court workards. You 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.800 can't just throw oh, that's like the Sade defense. Some 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.480 other dude did it. What dude, what are you talking about? 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.960 So you're saying AI doctored by who? If it's not Janetta, 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:04.080 then who? She got it the same sound that was 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:09.160 released by the Mississippi Department of Marine Resources. What you 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:10.400 think they doctored it? 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.880 There is nothing normal about this case. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.680 And if if that's the same, I asked you, I'm 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.720 asking you to explain your premise, and you're not doing it. 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.040 I said, if I were a prosecutor, I would want 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:28.080 to be able to establish with expert testimony that what 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.560 we are listening to is real. And I would want 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:35.480 a witness because I'm telling you, with this case, with 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.920 as viral as it's been, I'm not disagreeing that it's real. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.960 I'm saying I would want to be able to bolster 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:47.400 that very credible woman's testimony. And she is very credible. 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.760 I have no doubt that what we're listening to and 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:53.720 what she did is credible. The issue is, I don't know. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.440 If she can go there, they come from the sky, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.880 got it, got it, got it, got it. She cannot 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:05.600 testify as to whether MDMR had enhanced it or doctored 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.720 it before it was released. But see the problem is 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.080 you would have to ask someone to believe a clerk 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:17.760 or an official at the Mississippi Department Marine Resources doctor 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.800 this before they released it to the extent that nobody 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.000 could understand it until they enhanced it. That's the hell 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.600 of a doctor job. Okay, so you did that, then 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:33.120 you got into the medical examiner findings. Okay, what was 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:34.160 your theory on that? 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.400 Very quickly, very quickly. If he's dead on the boat, 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.280 how did he die? It should be conclusive. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:48.440 It should be joining us right now. Joseph Scott Morgan, 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:54.400 renowned death investigator, professor forensics Jacksonville State University with a 0:15:54.560 --> 0:16:00.000 premier criminal pro department and building. Author of Blood Beneath 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.880 My Feet, star of a hit series Body Bags with 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.400 Joseph Scott Morgan, and it goes on significant over ten 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.840 thousand death scenes under his belt. Joe Scott follow up, 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:14.240 I'm not arguing in borgharts. Let's learn if we can 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.680 from what he's saying. Jump. 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:23.000 Yeah, So whatever has been the causal factors here has 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.680 got to marry up with what they were seeing at 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.600 the scene, and perhaps the audio does fall into this, 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.920 you know, these statements, and I think that probably from 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.600 a medical legal perspective, that is, the corner and the 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.600 medical examiner are going to want to be able to 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.800 fully appreciate what is being said here. From a timeline 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.160 this is absence the police's investigation. They're going to try 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.560 to rule in or rule out what they're seeing presenting 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.520 on Nolan's remains when they finally did receive them at 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:55.360 the State Medical Examiner's office and that examination began, and 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.760 this is going to be critical and key, you know, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:01.520 because the causal effects here are going to be critical. 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.520 You know, we go back to these changes that the 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.160 second autopes you referred to on the back of the head. Now, 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.800 the doctor was not able to at that point in time. 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.399 Even though he did do a thorough what's referred to 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:19.760 as a layered dissection here, he could not establish the 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:25.320 causal effects here because the injury or the insult that 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:29.520 you see there, this presentation is compromised by decomposition. So 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:34.760 what did the state medical examiner see? My problem is here, Nancy, 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:40.360 how was the body treated before or after the first autopsy? 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.800 And the body is transported up to d C. I 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.480 have questions about this because they're talking about to the 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.760 degree with which the body was decomposed. The doctor up 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.679 in d C is seeing significant decomposition. We don't know 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:58.359 what they saw in Mississippi, but I do know that 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.320 you're only talking about out what I'm ballparking here. Please 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:06.760 give me some grace. Maybe forty eight hours tops before 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.680 the medical legal authorities have seen the body. So how 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.000 far degraded is the body to compromising this? And this 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.280 evidence is going to have to be borne out, not 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.680 just not just with the physical findings that you see 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:24.040 with the unaided eye, but also whatever's going on, tox 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:24.840 collogial I want. 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.280 You to take a careful look at this video we 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:33.560 have obtained. Let's see it. Look how tightly everyone is 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:38.240 packed in. There were hundreds of people out on Horn 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:44.360 Island on July the fourth. What nobody saw? What happened 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:49.080 to Nolan Wells? They all just left with him standing 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.600 there stranded, waving his arms like Gilligan that that did 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:58.640 not happen. Now that you're seeing this, what is an 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:04.040 innocent explanation? I'm trying to figure that out. Joining me 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.040 and I'll circle back to you, Joe Scott, because I've 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:10.199 got a lot of questions regarding the way he could 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:15.879 have died innocently and been left behind, and that sound 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:23.480 being true, the sound that Janetta Brantley enhanced. Is there 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:28.520 any innocent explanation? Is there a way? As my favorite 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:32.199 judge often said, Luther Alberson, it is your duty to 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.800 make all witnesses speak the truth, and if pen perjury 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:39.400 to no one, is there a way that can be done? 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:44.800 I don't know that it can. It seems to me 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:51.719 that someone is lying. But who joining me now? Teslin Figaro, 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:58.680 social justice political commentator, host of The Teslin figure O podcast, 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:04.679 miss Udo, thank you for being with us. I'd like 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.040 to hear your thoughts. 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:08.560 Yeah, well, that's what the family is saying. They don't 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.480 believe he died by accident. That's the point. That's the 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.840 reason why Nolan Wells mom is saying, I don't believe this. 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:16.680 I don't believe he died by accident. 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:20.000 Before we had the audio, the audio simply confirms that 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.720 there are additional questions that needs to be asked. It 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:25.120 wasn't just one thing they said in the audio. They 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.120 said Nolan repeatedly. In the audio, they said, check his chest. 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:29.560 In the audio, they said. 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:30.600 Is he dead? In the audio? 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.520 And also notice this, Nancy, did you notice that the 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.360 operator also said, is anybody breathing? 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:42.439 Who says that? What operator says? Who all is breathing 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.119 on the boat? So is this all the audio? Nancy? 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.280 Is there more audio? That's my question. 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.480 I want to look, specifically, Tazlin at what was said. 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.720 At one point, we hear we think you killed him. 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:03.080 He's already dead. Already dead? Is he dead? Yeah? 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:03.399 No? 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:08.919 One, OMG, wake up. And as Janetta stated, then she 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:14.680 hears a completely different name Bart. Now we also hear 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:21.359 and I'm very curious the phrase no no Tuslin figure o. 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.640 Was that a nickname of Nolan Wells. 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:28.560 I could not confirm if that's a nickname of his 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.240 or not. But what I do know is we heard Nolan. 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:34.600 What I do know is we heard check his chest. 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.560 What I do know is that we said, is he dead? 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:40.280 What we do know is we heard screams. There's folks 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.399 at there suggested that perhaps they were talking to a 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:46.080 seagull or perhaps talking to somewhat random bird that was 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.879 flying around this called no No. There were folks out 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:50.679 there to suggesting, well, maybe they were talking about the 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:51.640 boat cad. 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:53.280 We got to knock this off, Nancy. 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.840 We heard what we heard, and so we would have 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:56.879 put this before jury. 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:01.960 Also, we hear damn it bart bart No knows really dead, 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:05.520 damn damn it bart No knows really dead, repeating it 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:10.640 over and over and over. According to reports, his nickname 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:16.200 one of them is no No. Back to Telan Pherau, 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:22.639 what is no One's mother's theory about what happened in 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:24.080 light of these tapes? 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.040 Before we even have the tapes, her theory is I 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:32.000 told my son, I've raised my son just like I've 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.800 raised my nineteen year old the same way Nancy, like, 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:38.400 I'm sure you raise your children, come back with the. 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:39.400 People you went with. 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:43.520 Her theory has always been that he is a fantastic swimmer, 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:46.320 that he is an athlete. Her theory has always been 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.040 that he did not drown. Her theory has always been 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:52.720 that there's something wrong with this picture. Her theory has 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:55.520 always been that the fact that you know he's left 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:57.719 his phone and left and left his keys. 0:22:57.840 --> 0:22:59.760 Her theory has also always. 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:01.320 Been that he did not just go off with some 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:04.080 random stranger and say, guys, don't worry about it, just 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:06.320 leave me on an island. Her theory is the same 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:09.919 thing before this audio. This audio only confirms with this 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:11.280 mother already knew. 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:19.760 Joining me now. Susan Hendrix, investigative journalist, author of Down 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.400 the Hill, My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi, 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:26.040 who has been on this case from the beginning. Susan Hendrix, 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:31.320 we all know that everyone in our country is innocent 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:35.600 until proven guilty, and regardless of how you or I 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:39.960 or anybody else feels. That includes the young men on 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:44.280 the boat with Nolan Wells. We have a lot of 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.040 questions that have to be answered. Is this sound real? 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:51.119 Has it been enhanced. Who enhanced it? Was it AI 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:56.040 or doctored before Janetta Brantley pumped it up so we 0:23:56.080 --> 0:24:01.159 can hear it. I want you to hear another version. 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:02.720 You can see that. 0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:05.680 I have the c toe channel completely muted, so we're 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:09.119 only listening to the callers. Then I go through and 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.320 simply raise the volume of all of the chatter we 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:30.480 hear at the beginning of the call. 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:35.879 Hey, we're the west tip of Born. Our billage stops working. 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:38.399 We're going We're thinking, can you all please? Can we 0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:39.480 have I've never should. 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:56.959 Joy Susan. That was enhanced by my producer Sydney. I 0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:02.119 know her like that. I I asked her enhance it 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:07.439 the best you can. She again has no interest in 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:12.600 the outcome of this case. She pulls up quote want 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:18.720 me to cover him up? I mean, Susan. 0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:28.080 Way in, I was listening to the enhanced version, both 0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.520 of them now not doctor by the way, there's a 0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:33.440 big difference there. Have you ever heard Nancy on Instagram 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:35.920 where you listen to two things and your mind goes 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:39.560 to what you're thinking of, like green car or moonboat? 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:45.160 What are we really hearing? I believe that something nefarious 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:49.359 did happen where I think the answers will be again, 0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:52.120 this is my opinion, but I believe something happened there, 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:54.520 and we're not hearing the full story. And you pointing 0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:58.359 out Nancy how prouded that area was. So let's say 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:02.160 what people are claiming that it was an accidental growning. 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:03.320 No one saw. 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:04.439 Look here at the crowd. 0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:08.320 Nobody saw what happened, and all of us have our 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:10.280 phones on us all the time. 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:12.160 No one recorded this. 0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:15.320 I think the answers are in the timeline and also 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.399 the autopsy when we will hear answers there. 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:22.919 You're seeing video from the Officer Tatum show and I 0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:25.080 don't know what they were trying to show with it, 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:29.879 but how can someone be dead and floating in the 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:36.000 water and nobody notice? Which leads me too, Susan Hendrix. 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:39.280 The fact that we have learned tonight that the States 0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:42.240 autopsy is complete, but it's being kept secret. 0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:48.200 Yeah, absolutely, being held for the grand jury to look 0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.399 into that. And the fact that you brought up Nancy 0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.160 earlier that part of. 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.280