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Speaker 1: What's happening everybody. It's another episode against the chronicles. And

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Speaker 1: I like to call this thing that we do called conversations,

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Speaker 1: Some people are famous, but I like talking to the

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Speaker 1: people that are more infamous and just have histories behind him.

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Speaker 1: And tonight as a special guest, but I won't reveal

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Speaker 1: why he's specially to the end of the episode because

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Speaker 1: I want you guys to focus in on his story.

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Speaker 1: UM to Cleveland, Ohio. Uh went through a period of

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Speaker 1: only to turn and turn that around, turn his life

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Speaker 1: around and become one of the most brilliant people out know.

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Speaker 1: Extremely proud of him. Tonight we have Willie Steel in

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Speaker 1: the studio. What's up, Bill? And what's going on? Man?

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Speaker 1: You know what? The same old thing. And I've been

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Speaker 1: talking to you now for about a um close to

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Speaker 1: getting on the show, and you had your reservations about

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Speaker 1: it and everything. Um, I understand why you pretty much

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Speaker 1: a private person, So tell me, you know, I know

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Speaker 1: everything about you, man, where are you from from Cleveland?

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Speaker 1: You said you obviously said it was in Cleveland, But

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Speaker 1: where are you from in Cleveland? I'm from Hunding five.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Raise and Rand Streets, Hunting five, Twain,

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Speaker 1: you tell me a little bit about East Cleveland because

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Speaker 1: a lot of people kind of sleep on that part

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Speaker 1: A and Brooklyn and all these other places. Cleveland is

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Speaker 1: a ground the city. Yeah, you know, Cleveland, we ain't

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Speaker 1: we ain't big. I'm having a lot of bricks, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We've got some projects, but you know,

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Speaker 1: we got some pretty run down cities, man, and East

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Speaker 1: Cleveland is It's a good example that you can probably

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Speaker 1: it's big heat with mortar fire man from you know,

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Speaker 1: the city is ravaged by bands, homes, property, you know, crime, drug,

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Speaker 1: it's like like it's like most big cities, man, you know,

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Speaker 1: just just you know, it's it's a part of town

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Speaker 1: has been forgotten about. Yeah, and that's that Cleveland kind

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Speaker 1: of had a rough. I'm a reasonally from Cleveland's you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a regally from Cleveland. Hi. Cleveland has had rough

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Speaker 1: getting a little bit better. They starting to re gentrify

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Speaker 1: a lot of places. Man. I wish it was on

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Speaker 1: us that were re genter find their own city, you know.

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Speaker 1: But this what's happened to Cleveland clinic is went around

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Speaker 1: the bought up everything. Yeah, they have, man, and they

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Speaker 1: are you know, the biggest uh advocators and university and

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Speaker 1: The people have uh, you know, failed themselves. Man. They

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Speaker 1: They do a lot of talking, but you know there's

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Speaker 1: But what what you gonna do? Man, Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: younger brother, Willie. Still, I've been trying to get him

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Speaker 1: And I say, well, how much you think it is?

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Speaker 1: he probably left like at least four or five ounces there.

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Speaker 1: real talk. It was a lot though. We it was

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Speaker 1: she didn't let me in. One night it was called

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00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: it was called as all get down, man, and I

424
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: had to I had to walk back down onto a

425
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: hundred first man and I slept in a car that night.

426
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: What time he was this? When was this yeah, I

427
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: just want to tell you on Cleveland the one of

428
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: time we get five below ze room three below zero.

429
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: People in California never experienced nothing like that. Oh yeah

430
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. You know what kind of state when you

431
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: when you leaning back and kind of blur a little

432
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: bit but continue. Yeah, I'm sorry. So uh yeah, no,

433
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: it's uh yeah the winners here a rude though. Yeah,

434
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: they're absolutely RUDEO. Man, So he was homeless at that time, Bill,

435
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's when your first experience homelessness, homelessness, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah,

436
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: that's first time. Yeah, I experienced it, uh full flag,

437
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, not from like running away from home and ship,

438
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I did that a

439
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: couple of times, but yeah, you know as an adult, Yeah,

440
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: that that was like that was a brutal wake up call. Man.

441
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: Uh you know I had stayed with that girl about

442
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: a month and a half and um, you know you're sneaking,

443
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: You're sneak into the roof to roll a premo to

444
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: smoke it stand outside, so a little cracked smoke a

445
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: little premo, you know what I'm saying. And you know,

446
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: you give off a vibe and I don't think people

447
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: probably even know that. Like you know, you can give

448
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: off a vibe and that vibe and kind of emanate,

449
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: So you know, I kind of knew dudes that I

450
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: was buying a doge from probably know I was using it,

451
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So but none unless you know,

452
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: I was still trying to do my want too. But

453
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: you know, the progression of of you know, crack cocaine,

454
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: especially in the nineties, you know, Ah was just you

455
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: just you man, it's just his mind going how fast

456
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: it can happening. You know, the drugs can take hold

457
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: of you so fast, man. Uh. You know, from from

458
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: ninety four to nineties six, I did a lot of

459
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: things that I probably wouldn't have done if I was

460
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: in my right mind. In h took a trip with

461
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: a guy who was trying to find himself and found

462
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: myself in a situation down in uh Southern Party the

463
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: United States that you know, I just weren't comfortable with, uh,

464
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just all because of just drug addiction.

465
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: And you know it wondered anything ever took place or nothing.

466
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: But like you know, if somebody's on the mission to

467
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: discover who they are sexually, like that's like really some

468
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: personable ship. But you should be doing I shouldn't be

469
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: going with you. I don't. I don't really care what

470
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: your sexuality is, you know what I'm saying. So I

471
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: was just kind of like on the third Road to

472
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: down south, get out of here. Like he just wanted

473
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: to get down the city. You just want to get

474
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: up the city. Yeah, that's all. Yeah, I wanted to

475
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: get out of Cleveland ship for the first time, you

476
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And it was a chance to

477
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: go down to the A t M. I wanted just

478
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what a t L was like,

479
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you know I got

480
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: down there. You know, dude had like went down there

481
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: just to see another dude and you know that ain't

482
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: no knock on him. But that just wanted my foretape.

483
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: But he held that as a secret. He like he

484
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: was going down there to see a chick. H I

485
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: was like, I'll go, I ain't never been to Atlanta.

486
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: Maybe she got brands. Is one thing about drugs, It

487
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: don't have you in your right state of mind, That's

488
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, right, you know what I'm saying. And

489
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to use it during that time because we

490
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: was gone for like I don't know four days or

491
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: something like that. Four or five days. We drove down there.

492
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: We rented a car and uh he told me I

493
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: just needed like gas money and I was like that's

494
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: cool and you know, money to kick it with. But

495
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: when we got down there, you know, it's like I said,

496
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: it's nineteen nine, like early, I hadn't turned twenty one yet.

497
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: I was twenty so, uh I definitely remember that, you know.

498
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: Uh So I just hadn't turned twenty one. So when

499
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: we went to the Underground, I couldn't get into nothing.

500
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: If anybody has been to the Last Day the Underground,

501
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: you know got large. It's a nightlight, right night scene.

502
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: So you know, they went down there, and they went

503
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: to a lot of other places that I couldn't get into.

504
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: And then you know it were walking and we go

505
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: why he was down there? And it was just like

506
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: come on, fan, like why and now I'm down here

507
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: and I don't know nobody. I don't know nobody. I

508
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: was trying to I'm trying your away from it. I'm

509
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: in a house full of dudes. I mean I was

510
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: full of dudes, like and all of them feel the

511
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: same type. Boys. You ain't gotta say no more. Man,

512
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna say no more. You just wonder not

513
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: can not get the hell here. So you know, but

514
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: but to now and this is and this is on everything, man,

515
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, you know I say this. I say it's

516
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: with all due respect. I put this on. I put

517
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: this on my kids. Man. And you know the dude

518
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: he came down there to see and nobody was on

519
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: no funny ship. It's just that that was my state

520
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: of mind. You understand what I'm saying. Everybody was cool,

521
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: just said my state of mind when I found out

522
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: I was young, I didn't know no better. I'm saying, Uh,

523
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: I was worried about something today wasn't worried about because

524
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: they wasn't attracted to me like that, follow what I'm saying.

525
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: So there was nothing for me to worry about. What

526
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: dude made me feel comfortable because he caught up a

527
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: female friend of his and you told her and she said,

528
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: bring him out. And I stayed out there for two

529
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: days mantil we got ready drive back. So you know,

530
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: and that's that's uh, that's real ship. So if anybody

531
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: ever really comments or something that they don't know. They

532
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm telling the truth about that one. Uh

533
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: And and that that woman showed me awesome hospitality. She

534
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: lived in, uh. I believe it's called Mecca, Mecca, Georgia.

535
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: She lived right outside of Atlanta. And they took me

536
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: to her house and she allowed me to stay there

537
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: and they can't pick me up that that that morning,

538
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: so we could leave to go back to Cleveland. Uh

539
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: And when I got back to Cleveland, my friendship with

540
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: him kind of dissolved, of course, you know. Uh And

541
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: I was homeless, like you know, I hadn't taken no

542
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: who steps man to try to, you know, take care

543
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: of myself. You know, I worked, you know, I definitely worked.

544
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: I've always worked, you know, so I had that going

545
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: for me, but my addiction kept me from really substaining

546
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: myself like I needed to. I think at that time,

547
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: I read it a room. But shoot, I can only

548
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: keep a room for about eight months, you know, before

549
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: she catch up with me and then I get evicted.

550
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: You know, stay with my friend, you know, sleep at

551
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: his mama's house. You know, she she's she's dead and

552
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: gonna you know, love you ivers. You know, she she

553
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: looked out for me, man, and uh I slept many

554
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: many days on her floor and on her couch, man,

555
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: and on my best friends floor. Man. You know I

556
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: would be fever grateful to him. Man. He never you know.

557
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: That's the thing, man, I think that we don't, you know.

558
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: Uh I tell his story a lot, man, but like

559
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 1: I don't, it never gets old to me because my

560
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: dudes have always loved me. Man. I got to I

561
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: got two real, real close friends, man. And I know

562
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm getting full here, but it's real close to me, man.

563
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: And you know I could honestly say I probably want

564
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: for them dudes. Man, I probably wouldn't be here, you know.

565
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: And it's all right, Man, gonna get that off because

566
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm over getting tear too. Because out of build I

567
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: had no clue for the longest all this ship was

568
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: going on. Oh yeah, but you know, I mean I

569
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: came out there with you, but you know I wasn't

570
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: even trem man. When you know, I came out there

571
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: and I had to come back home, you know what

572
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Because I was in a fucked up state,

573
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: bro right, I didn't know how to escape me. That's

574
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: the thing, man, I think everybody. You know, I think

575
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: everybody out there just watching this. This that's dealt with

576
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: a family member that suffered from an addiction. It's you

577
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: trying to help him. But it's almost to the point

578
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: where you came. You know, it's like, you know, you

579
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: don't know what to do. You know, when I had

580
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: you come out here, Bill, that was the plan. And

581
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: I was really ignorant to how stuff worked back then, right,

582
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, as far as addition and stuff. I said, well, man,

583
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: we get m a change of scenery because you know, Bill,

584
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: at that time, anything I've ever done, because you remember,

585
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: I stopped drinking. I should like to drink. So when

586
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: I stopped drinking, I just stopped. I didn't do it

587
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: no more. You know. I didn't go through no kind

588
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: of um withdrawals and eating you know, or d d

589
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: T s that they talked about. No that, I didn't

590
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: go through all that, right, So I figured, man, he

591
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: come out here, he would be cool, get exchange of

592
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: scene to we get a job. But you came out

593
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: there kind of tripping bro right, right, Man, I had

594
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: landed the job, but that was about it. Like you know, so,

595
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, you heard me said, I wasn't.

596
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: I wasn't tripping. That's why I said, you know, I

597
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: just I just sent me back home to ship. I

598
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: tell people that, I tell people that. Man, there's a

599
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: lot of stuff I would have done to me that

600
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: people done and I would you know, I don't want

601
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: to ask you this about Mom's not to put nobody

602
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: else too much in this because we don't want to

603
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: name names and stuff, you know what I mean. But yeah,

604
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: what was Mom said during this time, like she just

605
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: was kind of like she couldn't handle no more. Oh? Absolutely, absolutely.

606
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you know, uh, it's it's been

607
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: a long day and I gotta get up earlier in

608
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: the morning. So you know, I'm just kinda kind of

609
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: like leaving out look. Look, and it's all good because

610
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: we can come back again, Bill, we can come back again. Yeah, okay,

611
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: But you know, Mama, Mama was, she was present, man.

612
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: You know, I had a couple of stays with Mama,

613
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, it was it was it was

614
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: a bit much for her, you know. Mama had Mama

615
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: was working in a code dependent adolescents unit. She had

616
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: seen a lot of kids falter and fall from addiction.

617
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: Only too probably watch you know, her child fall to

618
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: addiction and the hopeless. But I want to tell people

619
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: that you know who are codependent or see that that

620
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: you know you are helpful us and don't feel bad

621
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: for being helpless. Man, it's definitely a disease, yeah, and

622
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: but it's it starts off as like everything else is

623
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: a choice. Man. You know what I'm saying. And you

624
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: know I heard the one of one to say, if

625
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: you knew better, if you know better, you do better.

626
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: And you know at some point you do the light

627
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: will always go off. It's just that it's either we

628
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: don't see it or we don't hear it. You know

629
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that, hey, I need to get my

630
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: ship together. But then we come pity part. You follow

631
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Once you fall into this wont knee situation,

632
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: you know, the people get past that point of trying

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Speaker 1: to help you because most of the time, the first

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Speaker 1: the first the first reach out of health, most people

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Speaker 1: reject them because they don't want it. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: you you get tight in and you enjoy doing what

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Speaker 1: you're doing. You might not enjoy the consequences, but you

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Speaker 1: enjoy the feeling. It's kind of like sex. Man, she

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Speaker 1: could be ugly as all get down, but if she

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Speaker 1: got good section, you seem to keep coming back. You

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Speaker 1: don't care, you know, not even trying to be funny

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Speaker 1: and that that's no, not because you know beauty is

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Speaker 1: and not I be holder, you know. But I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying that. You know, in the right state of mind,

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Speaker 1: you probably say I probably wouldn't have done that, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, or why I wouldn't do things

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Speaker 1: like that, or I wouldn't put myself in those situations,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Uh, So that's why I

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Speaker 1: say it all become choices. Man. You know, the people

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Speaker 1: around us get help us because they don't want to

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Speaker 1: see us go through things, you know. Uh. But honestly, man, again,

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Speaker 1: I can't say for anybody else other than myself that

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Speaker 1: the things I went through I definitely needed to go

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Speaker 1: through because if I didn't, I wouldn't have got my

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Speaker 1: ship together. Look at who you are? We go leader

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Speaker 1: right there, Willie. Still, this is part one because this

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Speaker 1: is a long story, So we gonna continue this going. Bill.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna trying to knock this out now man, tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: so we get this back in tomorrow. And you know, bro,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, so we checked back in with

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Speaker 1: you guys. Um I'm gonna do something special for everybody

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Speaker 1: that's listening to the podcast. Um to this will be

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Speaker 1: released on the podcast tomorrow. I'm gonna bringing that part

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Speaker 1: two of my interview with my brother Willie Still And

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Speaker 1: if you know, it's that's why James and eight now

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Speaker 1: here tonight because I kind of wanted to do this

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Speaker 1: with just me and you because we never really had

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Speaker 1: this conversation. You know what I'm saying. We never really

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Speaker 1: had this conversation. Man. I love you, man, And we're

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Speaker 1: check in tomorrow and that's it. Man. I appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: bro anytime. I appreciate you too. Were gonna get this

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Speaker 1: in tomorrow, bro, alright, man, right for sure. That concludes

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Speaker 1: another episode of the Gangster Chronicles, and we'll see you

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Speaker 1: guys tomorrow. We're coming back with another special one Willie Steel.

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Speaker 1: Y'all stay tuned, ye, Bill, I'm here, yeah, man, that's

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Speaker 1: it right there, man, Bill. I appreciate it though,