WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 071622 Black on Black Crime is a Falsehood (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>And now my mic back.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like that, you can strikes with waters from headquarters

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<v Speaker 2>behind him the.

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<v Speaker 1>BI if you're just tuning in the civic sideher, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host, ramses joh.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm with him again and always.

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<v Speaker 1>They call me q ward list. Indeed, there still a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to stick around for. Uh, we're finally going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about black on black crime at length. This is

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<v Speaker 1>something that comes up quite a bit. It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those weird eighties zombies that won't die, like trickle down

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<v Speaker 1>economics and uh what whatever, you know, these manufactured panics

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<v Speaker 1>sort of buzzwords and phrases or whatever. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna discuss that a little bit. We're also going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the three fifths compromise for our way

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<v Speaker 1>black history. Fact, this is something that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>black folks know about and a lot of non black

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<v Speaker 1>folks don't know about. And you know, you might live

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere in this country where you don't get any critical

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<v Speaker 1>race theory or better said, American history. So we got

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<v Speaker 1>your daily dose of that right here. So stick around

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<v Speaker 1>to find out what the three fits compromise in You

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<v Speaker 1>will be sick to your stomach. But first and foremost,

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<v Speaker 1>let's discuss how to become a better ally. We shall.

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<v Speaker 1>So this one's brought to you by Hip Hop Weekly

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<v Speaker 1>Magazine and it comes from CNM, and we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to shout out Rage against the Machine and my guy

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<v Speaker 1>Zach Dayala roche anyway I will read. The members of

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<v Speaker 1>Rage Against the Machine have always carried a message with

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<v Speaker 1>their music. In twenty twenty two, they have plenty to

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<v Speaker 1>be mad about, and after eleven year break from performing together,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't hold back over the weekend. During their pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>delayed return to stage Saturday night, the rap rock band

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<v Speaker 1>was typically abrasive, performing its high octane catalog more than

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<v Speaker 1>thirty thousand people in Wisconsin's Alpine Valley Music Theater. They

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<v Speaker 1>screened images of real world violence, including an El Paso

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<v Speaker 1>police car and gulfed in flame games, along with messages

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<v Speaker 1>related to the Supreme Court's reversal of Roe versus. Wade.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote forced birth in a country that is the only

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy country in the world without any guaranteed paid parental

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<v Speaker 1>leave at the national level. Quote an on screen message

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<v Speaker 1>read quote forced birth in a country where black birth

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<v Speaker 1>givers experience maternal mortality two to three times higher than

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<v Speaker 1>that of white birth givers forced birth in a country

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<v Speaker 1>where a gun violence is the number one cause of

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<v Speaker 1>death among children and teenagers in quote, and then finally

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<v Speaker 1>apport the Supreme Court. The next screen read in all caps.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time we catch somebody using their platform to bring

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<v Speaker 1>attention to social issues, particularly if they affect black and

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<v Speaker 1>brown people and other marginalized groups in this country, we

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<v Speaker 1>try to highlight that as an example of how you

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<v Speaker 1>can and be the change that you would like to

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<v Speaker 1>see in the world and help to create the change

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<v Speaker 1>for some folks who are your brothers and your sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>but may not be from your direct tribe. And Rage

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<v Speaker 1>Against the Machine has done just that. So shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to them.

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<v Speaker 3>That band is called Rage against the Machine. Very well done, gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so black on Black crime. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to take a moment, man. A recent addition to the

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<v Speaker 1>show is our producer Maggie aka Maggie be Known, And

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<v Speaker 1>she's the one that's kind of button us up a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more. And sometimes she comes to the table

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<v Speaker 1>with some stuff that she's kind of passionate about. Something

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<v Speaker 1>she hears she thinks we need to delve into a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more and we're better for that. This is

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<v Speaker 1>one such subject. We talked about black on black crime

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<v Speaker 1>briefly last week and she felt like, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to wait to develop this to really make

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<v Speaker 1>this live in our listeners' minds. Let's put something together

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<v Speaker 1>and really flesh it out so folks know exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. So shout out to Maggie. Be known now,

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<v Speaker 1>black on black crime. It's something that I know for

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<v Speaker 1>a fact you've heard just growing up in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>police or wire black people out protesting police brutality. When

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much quote black on black crime end quote

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<v Speaker 1>that they should be focusing on instead. If they were

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<v Speaker 1>really outraged at black death, then they would start in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>They would start in the ghetto. They would deal with

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<v Speaker 1>their own problems before trying to uh take on police

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<v Speaker 1>who are here to protect and serve the community at large. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a this is a narrative that exists. This

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<v Speaker 1>is this is a reality. It's a false reality, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's a reality. For some people. This is fact, the

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<v Speaker 1>gospel truth, and they can't see past it. So the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation begins and ends right there, because in their minds,

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<v Speaker 1>black on black crime exists, and if black people aren't

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about that, then why should they be taken seriously

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<v Speaker 1>about anything else? Right, So, there's a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>in this country that that's really how they view it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I recognize that you listening to this show might

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<v Speaker 1>not feel that way, but I also recognize you may

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<v Speaker 1>not have had conversations with the people in your lives

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<v Speaker 1>that do feel that way. And so we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>go over a couple of things that help explain why

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<v Speaker 1>this term exists, how harmful it is, and what we

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<v Speaker 1>can do to have some conversations with people who have

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuck in the short loop. You know, that

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<v Speaker 1>was established again in the seventies, I believe kind of

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<v Speaker 1>bolstered in the eighties alongside the crack epidemic and the

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<v Speaker 1>black absent Black fathers, you know, myth and all that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff to just basically kind of keep from

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<v Speaker 1>having to discuss what the reality of the situation is,

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<v Speaker 1>which is basically white supremacy laws that allow black communities

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<v Speaker 1>to be overly policed, overly incarcerated, grossly impoverished, denied economic opportunities,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. And it just paints this really strange narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>That again just lingers, So I'll read this comes from

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<v Speaker 1>ABC News. Black on black crime a loaded and controversial

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<v Speaker 1>phrase that has often heard amid calls for police reform.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a retort sometimes heard in the context of the protests,

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<v Speaker 1>but what about black on black crime? These retorts have

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<v Speaker 1>more recently been mentioned along side you know, conversations about

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<v Speaker 1>the death of George Floyd, anything having to do with

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<v Speaker 1>Black Lives Matter, etc. Often as the idea that there

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<v Speaker 1>is a rampant crime problem within the black and mainly

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<v Speaker 1>urban communities that some are choosing to ignore in favor

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<v Speaker 1>of focusing on police brutality.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a phrase or concept that at times recently has

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<v Speaker 1>been used by some conservatives to ask why the same

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<v Speaker 1>activists and community members calling for police reform, seemingly, in

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<v Speaker 1>their view, don't express the same outrage when someone who

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<v Speaker 1>is black is killed or injured by another black person. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's stop right here for a second. Now. I've

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned this on the on the show. In fact, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>our first ever episode we talked about this, the first

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<v Speaker 1>ever episode of Civic Ciphers, so long ago. How about that, man,

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<v Speaker 1>we come a long way I'm I'm proud of you man. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>our first ever episode, we discussed this, and we've we've

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<v Speaker 1>obviously talked about it since.

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<v Speaker 3>Then.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the value of life of our lives. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>by our lives, I mean black lives. For one second.

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<v Speaker 1>If I you know, I'm from Compton, California, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the city I'll pick if I grew up in Compton

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<v Speaker 1>and someone ends up taking my life, right, there is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things that may go into that, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. Granted, there's senseless crime that happens

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<v Speaker 1>all over the planet, right, that is definitely a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>But oftentimes in impoverished communities again around the planet, people

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<v Speaker 1>from all colors. A lot of times that crime is

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<v Speaker 1>tied very closely to economic conditions. The people who have

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<v Speaker 1>less are more willing to take what they want or

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<v Speaker 1>need from the people who have more. Right Hitler, when

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<v Speaker 1>he sent Jewish people to the extermination camps in Auschwitz

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany, concentration camps, concentration camps. What did I say,

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<v Speaker 1>extermination camps? I don't know, say that concentration camps very good? Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>when he sent these people, I remember reading about this

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<v Speaker 1>in school because I actually did have American history and

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<v Speaker 1>world history critical race or what the equivalent would be

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<v Speaker 1>when I got to college. But these Nazi soldiers, what

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<v Speaker 1>they would do is they would remember, these Jewish people

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<v Speaker 1>were hungry, they weren't treated well. They were as good

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<v Speaker 1>as dead, six million of them, exterminated off the face

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<v Speaker 1>of the planet, systematically exterminated. This man wanted to wipe

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<v Speaker 1>the Jewish faith from the planet entirely, sick faith and ethnicity. Sure, sure, exactly, so,

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't well fed. They arrive at these concentration camps,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and my understanding, if I remember correctly, is

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<v Speaker 1>they did some work here and there, but for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part they were gassed and discarded, their their bodies discarded.

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<v Speaker 1>But while they were being held I remember this distinctly.

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<v Speaker 1>The soldiers what they would do, because you do have

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<v Speaker 1>to provide some sustenance unless you want them, to know,

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<v Speaker 1>be too weak to be of any value too. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So the German soldiers what they would do is they

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<v Speaker 1>would take bread, and they would throw bread into like

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<v Speaker 1>the cells and the and the holding pins where these

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<v Speaker 1>very skinny, very weak people were being held, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they would fight over the bread and sorry, they they

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<v Speaker 1>would fight each other, and I don't think that's fair

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, I don't think that they really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to fight each other. I think they were hungry. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's a human No. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>anything with a nervous system and survival instincts. That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of you're forced into that. That's effectively what that is.

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<v Speaker 1>You're forced to take that action. And that's not fair

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not kind. And you know, yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you've listened to the show. You know me, I'm I

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<v Speaker 1>try my best to be fair and I try my

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<v Speaker 1>best to be kind. So those are that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>teach my children. That's the best I got. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you take that example and you you know, bring it

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<v Speaker 1>over here to this country and you look at these

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<v Speaker 1>really impoverished communities or oftentimes my people, our people live

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<v Speaker 1>and then, you know, in the eighties, when these terms

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of first being popularized in this country, there

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<v Speaker 1>was issues with with drugs being brought into black communities,

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<v Speaker 1>Compton specifically where I lived. I was born in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty two, so the timeline checks out. I was there

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw it with these eyes right here, those

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of things, deliberate, systemic things, exacerbated the poverty, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you end up with these now criminals doing criminal activity, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you start to realize that, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>like the Jews, the environment creates the criminals. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>born bad, right, and the people harmed by that are

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<v Speaker 1>the people closest to them. Have you ever heard of

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<v Speaker 1>Jew on jew? Cute?

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<v Speaker 3>You've never heard of any other group of people in

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<v Speaker 3>the history of Earth on you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Sub it's hard to get it out and enter into.

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<v Speaker 3>The argument a synonym for themselves on themselves crime? You've

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<v Speaker 3>never heard of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever.

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<v Speaker 3>The only such instance in the history of the planet

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<v Speaker 3>Earth is black on black crime.

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<v Speaker 1>So the reason why black on black crime was popularized

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<v Speaker 1>is because in the eighties when Ronald Reagan and Reaganomics was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of sweeping the nation, these very conservative, very.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to keep saying racist. I don't because I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to try to look for synonyms. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to say try to give you something else. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know what it is, you very very clearly that

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<v Speaker 3>here's what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of institutions white supremacy. There's no exception will

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<v Speaker 1>protect themselves. They will refuse to deal with the reality

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<v Speaker 1>we just talked about police not not being accountable, not

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<v Speaker 1>being honorable as much as they could be. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the same is true with really big parts

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<v Speaker 1>of this country, big parts of this country. Rather than saying,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, we have historically done wrong to this

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<v Speaker 1>group of people, and we continue to do wrong to

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<v Speaker 1>this group of people, and we continue to benefit from

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<v Speaker 1>the wrongs that we are still doing to this group

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<v Speaker 1>of people, rather than coming to terms with that, it's

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<v Speaker 1>easier to say, no, let's spin a narrative that suggests

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<v Speaker 1>that these people are doing it to themselves. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>something that's different from what happened in Germany. This is

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<v Speaker 1>why you've never heard of jew on jew crime, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you come to this country and they, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>throw the scraps into the pen or the ghetto or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're left to fight over what little resources are

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<v Speaker 1>there and we're all trying to and then of course

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<v Speaker 1>right down the street. You know, the component is California

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<v Speaker 1>is a strange place because you can drive ten minutes

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<v Speaker 1>in any direction and be either in a million dollar

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood or on a beach or in the slums or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, skid row. It's all you know right there,

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<v Speaker 1>right for those who haven't been out there or don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about California or southern California at least. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>right around the people, but the haves, and if your

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<v Speaker 1>have not, then you know your aspirations may get the

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<v Speaker 1>best of you. Now that's not to say that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>black people are going to go out to Beverly Hills

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<v Speaker 1>and you know whatever. No, it's typically the circumstances are

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more dire than that.

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<v Speaker 3>Not just not just that though, it's not just close proximity, right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's also a failure of accountability. When the quote unquote

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<v Speaker 3>black on black crime happens, those protecting servers are far

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<v Speaker 3>less likely to protect and or serve. They know, if

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<v Speaker 3>they cross into Beverly Hills, the stakes get higher, the

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<v Speaker 3>level of scrutiny and accountability and attention, it's higher. Those

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<v Speaker 3>people over in that zip code with that money and

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<v Speaker 3>that complexion get a different type of protection and attention

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<v Speaker 3>from those who sign up for that job. So those

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<v Speaker 3>that look like us are left to fit for themselves. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>and since I'm less likely to even be investigated. When

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a criminal and I'm doing crime where I live

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<v Speaker 3>and where the people around me are also poor, this

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<v Speaker 3>is where I'm going to do my criminal activities. I'm not,

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<v Speaker 3>by nature of my skin color, a criminal, but by

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<v Speaker 3>nature of the circumstances I was born into, with an

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<v Speaker 3>entire system working to keep me in those circumstances. So

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<v Speaker 3>that those who have also, always, I'm sorry, benefited from

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<v Speaker 3>this system will continue to and their prosperity and their

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<v Speaker 3>children and the generations after them will continue to benefit

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<v Speaker 3>from said system. It is in their best interest to

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<v Speaker 3>keep us right where we've always been and to never

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<v Speaker 3>acknowledge the foot that is on our throat, because they

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<v Speaker 3>want to present themselves as decent people. So they can't

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<v Speaker 3>say out loud, we're sorry for not only what our

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<v Speaker 3>forefathers did to you, but what we continue to do

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<v Speaker 3>to you today. They have to be able to tell

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<v Speaker 3>their children that they're decent people. Those people over their honey,

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<v Speaker 3>they do that to themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Just look at the news now. I'm glad you brought

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<v Speaker 1>that up, because that disconnect is, or rather these people

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<v Speaker 1>being able to insulate themselves from what is effectively a

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<v Speaker 1>shared problem is kind of what has allowed this myth

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<v Speaker 1>to persist? Share this kind Well, it's it's a societal problem,

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<v Speaker 1>but they can insulate themselves from it. But it's based

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<v Speaker 1>on society, you know, just not based on an individual

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<v Speaker 1>group of people just being bad. And I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to say this because I know some folks will say it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, cues from Detroit, let them set them.

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<v Speaker 3>To be a seven for anybody that's listening.

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<v Speaker 1>If you know anything about that, you know that that's

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<v Speaker 1>where it goes down. And again, I'm from Compton, California,

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<v Speaker 1>and we yes have done okay, right, I gotta say this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I gotta say it.

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<v Speaker 3>We've done it. We did okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you look at I mean, we can just

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<v Speaker 1>say the names Detroit, Michigan, Compton, California, you already know

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<v Speaker 1>that everybody doesn't make it, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why us being here, having these types of

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<v Speaker 1>stories to tell matters so much more.

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<v Speaker 3>This is an interesting thing that we haven't touched on.

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<v Speaker 3>And any time that we've talked about this that I

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<v Speaker 3>think we should, I've heard said out loud by people

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<v Speaker 3>who were sincerely and genuinely upset. How come black lives

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<v Speaker 3>only have worth when they're taken by non black people.

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<v Speaker 3>And ironically, every time in my life that I've heard

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<v Speaker 3>that rhetoric and that form of questioning, it's been from

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<v Speaker 3>someone who looks just like you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I answer that question because I got the answer,

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<v Speaker 1>yes you can, But give me a second, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a failure to understand that the criminal is

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<v Speaker 3>not the criminal because you look like you. And that

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<v Speaker 3>would be the very short, concise and specific answer. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>The circumstances, the criminal behavior, the lives being taken in

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<v Speaker 3>these situations are not being taken because they're black.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the difference I want to add to that. Please, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The other part that I want to add is if

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<v Speaker 1>police officer comes into your community executes black person unnecessarily,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not they don't have to be unarmed. It's legal

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<v Speaker 1>to carry guns in this country. But let's say an

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<v Speaker 1>unarmed black person.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't don't qualify it. Please don't for me, for men,

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<v Speaker 3>I won't. You're right, don't qualify.

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<v Speaker 1>It, just unnecessarily terminate because we've watched them get arrested

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<v Speaker 1>with assault rifles.

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<v Speaker 3>Sault qualifier for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the police does that, we feel as though

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<v Speaker 1>there's no chance for accountability, and the community feels like

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<v Speaker 1>our lives don't matter. If a black person, non police

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<v Speaker 1>kills a black person, there's the chance for justice and accountabilities,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if it's on video. So bear that in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to read this before we move on. Activists

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<v Speaker 1>and academics who say black on black crime, who say

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<v Speaker 1>that black on black crime is an offensive phrase and

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<v Speaker 1>it has its origins rooted in America's racist legacy, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's meant to mean black people as criminally inclined. Some

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<v Speaker 1>also say it's misleading. White people are mainly killed by

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<v Speaker 1>white people, they say, but there is no conversation about

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<v Speaker 1>white on white crime. The idea that black people kill

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<v Speaker 1>each other is exceptional or something that can only be

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<v Speaker 1>fixed by black people is deeply rooted in White supremacists

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<v Speaker 1>passed the specific notion of black on black crime gain

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<v Speaker 1>Traction in a book published in eighteen ninety six entitled

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<v Speaker 1>Race Traits and the Tendencies of the American Negro And

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<v Speaker 1>then I want to read this right here. The Bureau

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice Statistics twenty nineteen Crime Victimization Statistics Report shows

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<v Speaker 1>that those who commit violent acts tend to commit them

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<v Speaker 1>against members of the same race as the offender. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's all stats that paints the picture. There's no such

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<v Speaker 1>thing as black on black crime. If there is, then

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<v Speaker 1>there's a whatever on whatever crime across the board. So

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<v Speaker 1>do not single black people out or otherwise. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. Moving on, sound for the way Black History

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<v Speaker 1>fact brought to you by Hip Hop Weekly Magazine. This

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<v Speaker 1>one comes from thoughtcode dot com and we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk a little bit about the three fifths compromise.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, delegates agreed that

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<v Speaker 1>the representation each state received in the House of Representatives

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<v Speaker 1>and the Electoral College would be based on population, but

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<v Speaker 1>the issue of slavery was the sticking point between the

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<v Speaker 1>South and the North. Obviously, this is in the origins

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<v Speaker 1>of this country. It benefited southern states to include enslaved

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<v Speaker 1>people in their population counts, as that calculation would give

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<v Speaker 1>them more seats in the House of Representatives and thus

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<v Speaker 1>more political power. Delegates from northern states, however, objected on

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<v Speaker 1>the grounds that enslaved people could not vote, own property,

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<v Speaker 1>or take advantage of privileges that white men enjoyed. None

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<v Speaker 1>of the lawmakers called for the end of slavery, but

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<v Speaker 1>some of the representatives did express their discomfort with it.

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<v Speaker 1>George Mason of Virginia called for anti slave trade laws,

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<v Speaker 1>and Governor Morris of New York called slavery a nefarious institution. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>the delegates who objected to enslavement as an institution ignore

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<v Speaker 1>their moral qualms in favor of unifying states, thus leading

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<v Speaker 1>to the creation of the three fifths Compromise, first introduced

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<v Speaker 1>by James Wilson and Roger Sherman on June eleven, seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven. To three fifths compromise counted enslaved people as

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<v Speaker 1>three fits of a person. Black people were three fits

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<v Speaker 1>of a person legally by law. It's written down.

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<v Speaker 3>To talk about what's legal and what's criminal.

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<v Speaker 1>This agreement meant that the Southern states got more electoral

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<v Speaker 1>votes than if the enslaved population hadn't been counted at all,

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<v Speaker 1>but fewer votes than if the enslaved population had been

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<v Speaker 1>fully counted. The text of the compromise, found in Article one,

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<v Speaker 1>Section two of the Constitution states, quote, Representatives and direct

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<v Speaker 1>taxes shall be apportioned among several states which may be

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<v Speaker 1>included within this Union according to their perspective. Sorry their

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<v Speaker 1>respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the

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<v Speaker 1>whole number of free persons, including those bound to service

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<v Speaker 1>for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed,

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<v Speaker 1>three fifths of all other persons. The compromising not well

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<v Speaker 1>slavery was a reality, but did not meaningfully address the

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<v Speaker 1>evils of the institution. In fact, the delegates passed not

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<v Speaker 1>only the three fifths Compromise, but also a constitutional clause

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<v Speaker 1>that allowed enslavers to quote reclaim enslaved people who sought

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<v Speaker 1>freedom by characterizing them as fugitives. This clause criminalized the

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<v Speaker 1>enslaved individuals who ran away in quest of their freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>How the compromise affected politics in the nineteenth century, the

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<v Speaker 1>three fifths Compromise had a major impact on US politics

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<v Speaker 1>for decades to come. It allowed pro slavery states to

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<v Speaker 1>have a disproportionate influence on the presidency, the Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 1>and other positions of power. It also resulted in the

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<v Speaker 1>country having a roughly equal number of states deposed and

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<v Speaker 1>favored enslavement. Some historians contend that major events in US

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<v Speaker 1>history would have had the opposite outcomes were it not

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<v Speaker 1>for the Three fifths Compromise, including the election of Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferson in eighteen hundred, the Missouri Compromise of eighteen twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>which allowed Missouri to enter the Union as a pro

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<v Speaker 1>slavery state, the Indian Removal Active eighteen thirty, in which

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous peoples were forcibly removed from their land, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas Nebraska Active eighteen fifty four, which allowed residents to

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<v Speaker 1>determine for themselves whether they wanted to allow the enslavement

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<v Speaker 1>of black people in their territories. Real quick, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to shout this out. We are broadcasting this show from

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<v Speaker 1>the unseated ancestral lands of the Akima and Odam peoples.

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<v Speaker 1>So shout out to our brothers and sisters whose land

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<v Speaker 1>this belongs to them. Altogether, the Three Fists Compromise had

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<v Speaker 1>a detrimental impact on vulnerable populations such as the enslaved

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<v Speaker 1>and the nation's indigenous peoples. The enslavement of black people

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<v Speaker 1>may have only been kept in check rather than allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to spread without it, and fewer indigenous peoples may have

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<v Speaker 1>had their way of life upended to tragic results by

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<v Speaker 1>removal policies. The Thirteenth Amendment effectively gutted the Three Fits

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<v Speaker 1>Compromise by outlonging the enslavement of black people. But when

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<v Speaker 1>the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in eighteen sixty eight, it

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<v Speaker 1>officially repealed the three Fists compromise. Section two of the

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<v Speaker 1>of the Amendment states that seats in the House of

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<v Speaker 1>Representatives were to be determined based on the whole number

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<v Speaker 1>of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. The

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<v Speaker 1>repeal of the compromise gave the South moore representation since

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<v Speaker 1>members of the formerly enslaved black population were now counted fully.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet this population continued to be denied full benefits of citizenship.

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<v Speaker 1>The South enacted laws such as grandfather clauses meant to

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<v Speaker 1>disenfranchise black people, even as their population gave them more

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<v Speaker 1>influence in Congress. The additional voting power not only gave

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<v Speaker 1>Southern states more seats in the House, but more electorals too.

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<v Speaker 1>Real quick. The grandfather clauses meant that if your grandfather

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<v Speaker 1>didn't vote in an election, that meant that you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>vote in an election, so of course black people didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get to vote. Congress members from other regions sought to

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<v Speaker 1>reduce the South's voting power because black people were being

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<v Speaker 1>stripped of their voting rights there, but a nineteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>proposal to do so never materialize. Ironically, this is because

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<v Speaker 1>the South had too much representation in Congress to allow

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<v Speaker 1>for a switch. Until as recently as the nineteen s sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>Southern Democrats known as Dixiecrats, continued to wield a disproportionate

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<v Speaker 1>amount of power in Congress. This power was based in

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<v Speaker 1>part on the black residents who were counted for the

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<v Speaker 1>purposes of representation, but who were prevented from voting through

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather clauses and other laws that threatened their livelihoods and

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<v Speaker 1>even their lives. The Dixiecratcrats used the power they had

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<v Speaker 1>in Congress to block attempts to make the South a

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<v Speaker 1>more equitable place, which still happens today check out redlining right. Eventually, however,

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<v Speaker 1>federal legislations such as the Civil Rights Act in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four and the Voting Rights Act nineteen sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>would thwart their efforts somewhat. During the Civil Rights Movement,

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<v Speaker 1>black Americans demanded the right to vote and ultimately became

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<v Speaker 1>an influential voting block. They have helped a slow of

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<v Speaker 1>black political candidates get elected in the South of nationally

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<v Speaker 1>including the nation's first black president, Barack Obama, demonstrating the

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<v Speaker 1>significance of their full representation. So three fists compromise. There

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<v Speaker 1>it is. And I worry that you're not taught these

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<v Speaker 1>things in school and life, and that you might not

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<v Speaker 1>know how that affects the psyche, the self concept, the

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<v Speaker 1>self worth, the self image, all of these things together.

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<v Speaker 1>The police can kill us and get away with it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like that sort of thing. These things they're very,

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<v Speaker 1>very heavy burdens to carry day in and day out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think by sharing this with you, maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>will understand a little bit more, recognize why we push

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<v Speaker 1>for so many things that we want to see and

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<v Speaker 1>shoot where there's an opportunity to be empathetic, maybe you'll

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<v Speaker 1>find a way to empathize with this too.

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<v Speaker 3>Indian Removal Act of eighteen thirty that's a real thing, man,

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