Speaker 1: So this is a special episode for the bear Gas
Speaker 1: podcast you are. In case you didn't know, there's a
Speaker 1: podcast out there that's called bear Grease and we do
Speaker 1: a documentary style podcast every other week and then in
Speaker 1: between weeks we do a bear render. So you might
Speaker 1: be confused when you see this and think it's a
Speaker 1: bear grish render, but it's not. This is a special
Speaker 1: episode of bear Grease proper. No, Mark No, That's the
Speaker 1: reason I targeted you.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I can see it in people's eyes when they think
Speaker 1: it's theres going on, that's not going title coming. That's
Speaker 1: a good marketing idea. This is really fun for me
Speaker 1: because I've got a good portion of the Meat Eater
Speaker 1: team here, and I think there's probably a lot of
Speaker 1: beggars people that would know who you guys were, but
Speaker 1: there's some portion of them that wouldn't. But from right
Speaker 1: to left, we've got Ryan o'call callahan.
Speaker 3: Good to see you, good seeing you. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 3: know it's like old like old cow, yeah right, you
Speaker 3: kind of said it. You kind of said it like
Speaker 3: uh yeah, like an Irish type of or a Scottish
Speaker 3: type of surname type of deal.
Speaker 4: But okay, oh see I always did think that it
Speaker 4: was all without the d cow.
Speaker 3: When I was going to college. During my short experience
Speaker 3: with college, uh huh, I had a bunch of friends
Speaker 3: who didn't have jobs and stuff like that, and I
Speaker 3: had a lot of worldly wisdom from outside of college.
Speaker 3: And so they're like old Cow, it's too much of
Speaker 3: their dad.
Speaker 5: Look at this.
Speaker 2: Something new, oh cow?
Speaker 1: Okay, Ryan Callahan and then Heather Deville a K.
Speaker 6: Moosey, Hi, glad to be here.
Speaker 1: Tell tell everybody where you're from.
Speaker 6: I live in Craig on Prince of Wales Island, Craig, Alaska.
Speaker 1: That is cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, Heather, I've got to make claim. I think I
Speaker 1: was the first person for me to that reached out
Speaker 1: to you. Can can can that be disputed because I
Speaker 1: I yes, you were. I shared one of your your
Speaker 1: your your your backpack technique for deer because I have
Speaker 1: a deal that was taught to me by James Lawrence
Speaker 1: called he called it shock pouch in a deer, where
Speaker 1: you cut the legs out of the deer and tights
Speaker 1: legs together. And for a decade I'd search trying to
Speaker 1: find the source of that or if anybody that ever
Speaker 1: did it, and you were the first person that I
Speaker 1: saw that, and it was it was the way that
Speaker 1: you do it is different, but it's still like the
Speaker 1: same idea. I shared your deal and then you were like, hey,
Speaker 1: thanks for sharing.
Speaker 6: Because every time I share, we call it the Slingkett backpack.
Speaker 6: So it's a traditional backpack passed down through my culture.
Speaker 6: People tell me it's the clay. So that's why I went.
Speaker 6: When I posted it and shared it recently, I said,
Speaker 6: this is not the Clay. Set the record straight.
Speaker 1: No, I never took credit for that at all. But uh, man,
Speaker 1: if you if you haven't seen Heather on the meeting
Speaker 1: your main channel, she's doing a bunch of cool stuff
Speaker 1: with sea Otters. She's the she's the sea Otter girl.
Speaker 1: I've heard, yeah the older lady people.
Speaker 6: Are you for lady?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 6: Yeah, answer to that.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 1: Then we got old Brent Reeds. The only see Brent
Speaker 1: when I come to Montana anymore. I'm not sure what's
Speaker 1: happening in our relationship, but uh, that's why we've brought
Speaker 1: you here.
Speaker 4: I heard you don't have any good dogs and he
Speaker 4: won't have you.
Speaker 5: You didn't hear that from me, but you could have
Speaker 5: heard it from anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I don't have any coon dogs
Speaker 1: at all right now. I haven't had for two years,
Speaker 1: so he would be right now. I do have. I've squirrelled.
Speaker 5: He's got some up and comers.
Speaker 1: I do have a I do have showing a young
Speaker 1: plot ount. That's how many dogs right now? I've got
Speaker 1: five dogs right now?
Speaker 5: Dogs?
Speaker 2: Five dogs, four kids.
Speaker 4: How many mules now?
Speaker 2: Two mules, two meals, one wife and a good one
Speaker 2: thank goodness. Anything else in the on the property.
Speaker 1: Chickens, chickens, chickens. Got got a pretty good spread of chickens.
Speaker 2: So you have a lot of responsibility, you know. Does
Speaker 2: that ever keep you up at night?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, heyst When I was a kid. When I
Speaker 1: was a kid, we had I had dogs, and when
Speaker 1: they would bark at night, some you know, imprinted memories
Speaker 1: on my life. Cal were my dad busting into my
Speaker 1: room in the middle of the night. Make your dogs
Speaker 1: shut up, you know, because it's keeping them up. So
Speaker 1: I walk outside and you know, do whatever I got
Speaker 1: to do to get this dog to shut up. Every
Speaker 1: single night, whether it was a decade or two where
Speaker 1: I didn't have dogs. When we were raising our kids,
Speaker 1: we just couldn't change diapers and have dogs, so we
Speaker 1: didn't have dogs when the kids were little. I slept
Speaker 1: better then than I think I do now because every
Speaker 1: single moment you're thinking, are the mules getting out? Is
Speaker 1: my dog? Like baying someone's cow right now?
Speaker 2: Stuff like that?
Speaker 1: It yeah, yeah, stressful, so but it's it's it's worth it.
Speaker 1: You learned to deal with the stress. So Brent, good
Speaker 1: to have you, brother.
Speaker 5: Thanks.
Speaker 1: Yep uh y'a honest would tell us the Latvian eagle
Speaker 1: been on our hearts heavy the last several months because
Speaker 1: of your hundred mile race.
Speaker 4: Hm.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, We're gonna come back to that. But everybody knows,
Speaker 1: Jannis have you ever? Have you been on Bargrease before? Never? Before? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad, wow that really.
Speaker 2: I don't think why don't you like him?
Speaker 1: I love Jannis. I feel everybody knows I love you.
Speaker 2: That's wild.
Speaker 1: When I'm around Yannis, I just follow him around and
Speaker 1: ask him what we're gonna do next. That's pretty much
Speaker 1: what I do, right Yannis, anywhere we go? You said that,
Speaker 1: and then Mark Kenyon, who Mark's been on here a
Speaker 1: couple of times. Yeah, but uh, Mark, Mark is our
Speaker 1: white tail.
Speaker 2: What's more surprising that you haven't been or that I
Speaker 2: have been?
Speaker 4: Now instead of me being like not been on once
Speaker 4: at all, you've been on twice. So there's the disparities
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 1: Uh, Well, Mark has been to my house and we
Speaker 1: podcast a couple of years ago when you hunted in
Speaker 1: my neck of the woods in parents house even yep, yep,
Speaker 1: you stayed at the Believer's house and Juju's house yup.
Speaker 1: So uh but Mark, Mark has wired to hunt, which
Speaker 1: is our white tail sector. Now Tony's not here, he
Speaker 1: couldn't be here. But Tony's your Tony's your buddy, Tony Peterson.
Speaker 7: Tony is my little buddy. He does some good stuff,
Speaker 7: does some very good stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, here's what we're gonna do. I kind
Speaker 1: of want to like, uh, I want to go around
Speaker 1: and I kind of want to tell what everybody does.
Speaker 1: Mark is writing a you're writing a book. Can can
Speaker 1: we tell people that Mark is deep into his second book?
Speaker 1: First book was That Wild Country And now you're you're
Speaker 1: deep in the second book that you just submitted to
Speaker 1: the publisher. And what's the bout wins it gonna come out?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 7: The book is about the current state and threats to
Speaker 7: fish and wildlife across America. I guess you could say
Speaker 7: the past president and future of fish and wildlife in
Speaker 7: America floored through the lens of a hunter and angler,
Speaker 7: so kind of hunter and angler take on what's going
Speaker 7: on with critters out there right now follows me in
Speaker 7: a bunch of hunting and fishing trips across the nation
Speaker 7: as I'm meeting with researchers and conservationists and hunters and
Speaker 7: anglers and business owners and all sorts of different people
Speaker 7: that have some kind of connection to fish and wildlife.
Speaker 7: And that book comes out probably late summer next year,
Speaker 7: twenty six. Right now, the working title is wild Lives
Speaker 7: that could be changed right now.
Speaker 2: That's what we're working with.
Speaker 1: Is does ever stretch you out that when people say,
Speaker 1: do you feel like you have to have like a
Speaker 1: super concise answer about what your book's about, like the
Speaker 1: like the like the secondary one liner? Yeah, what's your
Speaker 1: one liner? What's your book's about?
Speaker 7: The one liner has to change a little bit based
Speaker 7: on the audience, Like that, if it's someone who pays
Speaker 7: attention to like environmental and conservation kind of stuff, I
Speaker 7: would say, like it's an exploration of the biodiversity crisis
Speaker 7: from a hunter angler perspective.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that.
Speaker 7: If it was like a little more of like a
Speaker 7: general audience, I might use the subtitle like the past
Speaker 7: President Future of Fish and Wildlife in America, keeping a
Speaker 7: little more high level, because the biodiversity crisis maybe isn't
Speaker 7: something that every person recognizes.
Speaker 2: But that's that's what I'm working with right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like it.
Speaker 2: Just come along, come along?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do you get to just go do the fun stuff
Speaker 3: and then chat GPT just take.
Speaker 4: Care of the rest?
Speaker 7: I wish No, that chat GTP is not quite up
Speaker 7: to snuff, I'd say so. I actually think the fun
Speaker 7: stuff is the writing. I enjoy the process. It is
Speaker 7: sometimes like beating your head against like a brick wall.
Speaker 7: I'm sure you've been experiencing this too, but but it
Speaker 7: is also like the magic when stuff comes together, when
Speaker 7: you finally are able to I think writing is the
Speaker 7: the kind of the the final touches of a clarifying
Speaker 7: your thinking.
Speaker 2: By forcing yourself to write, you have to clarify.
Speaker 7: Your thinking on something, and so it forces you to
Speaker 7: really really ponder things, organize your thoughts, and really come
Speaker 7: to real conclusions about how you feel about the world
Speaker 7: or when you think about a situation, and so going
Speaker 7: through that process and then figuring out yourself and then
Speaker 7: figuring out how to put words to a feeling or
Speaker 7: an experience or a concept in such a way that
Speaker 7: anyone else could pick it up be like, oh, yes,
Speaker 7: that's like a magical thing when those pieces click together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really enjoy that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a it's a powerful exercise that
Speaker 1: if I mean, you know, not everybody writes, but it
Speaker 1: really is a powerfully clarifying exercise to really hone in
Speaker 1: what you're thinking. Mark is a copious reader, but cal
Speaker 1: does that when you see all the books that he reads.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what do you think he's bulling through him?
Speaker 3: For sure?
Speaker 1: I mean do you are you?
Speaker 5: Are you?
Speaker 1: Well, you may read more books than him, and you
Speaker 1: just don't put it on the internet. But oh when
Speaker 1: you see him, are you like, man, I gotta read more,
Speaker 1: or man, I'm glad he does that, or dang, I
Speaker 1: would never do that, Like how do you?
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, I think we all go through different
Speaker 3: phases of life. There's a time where people would make
Speaker 3: fun of me because in every room of my little
Speaker 3: ramshackle apartments or houses that I lived in, I'd have
Speaker 3: two or three open books, ok. And I was just
Speaker 3: constantly a little add you know, picking up things and
Speaker 3: putting them down. And I haven't read covered cover of
Speaker 3: book in at least a year right now? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: which is is just would be highly abnormal from a
Speaker 3: decade ago. Yeah, but this decade's a lot different than
Speaker 3: the previous one.
Speaker 5: I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: What do you what?
Speaker 1: What happens when you see Mark's giant bookstacks of all
Speaker 1: the books he read like this month?
Speaker 4: I'm impressed?
Speaker 1: Does it make you want to read?
Speaker 4: Or yes?
Speaker 1: It does?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: This poor guy had listening to me talk about books
Speaker 2: the entire time.
Speaker 5: I ran with him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right to honest is Miles Rice.
Speaker 4: I got to make one.
Speaker 7: Other comment about how little you read, Clay, Oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 7: because h So, I finished writing the first official manuscript
Speaker 7: of my book this dude June first.
Speaker 2: I send it to the publisher and the editor on
Speaker 2: a Friday.
Speaker 1: And I think I know where this is going.
Speaker 7: It was such an amazing feeling to ship it out,
Speaker 7: like it's like giving birth to a baby. I mean
Speaker 7: I don't know what that's actually like, but I'm assuming
Speaker 7: it's something like that.
Speaker 2: It's a huge like relief.
Speaker 7: This thing's you know, first phase out there. And I
Speaker 7: immediately like, all right, I need to go for a
Speaker 7: run and like just kind of burn off the energy,
Speaker 7: feel good, kind of celebrate.
Speaker 2: So I go for a.
Speaker 7: Run and Clay text me as I'm running and I
Speaker 7: happen to feel buzz or whatever, look at the phone
Speaker 7: as I'm on my run, just like full of joy.
Speaker 7: And he's like, hey, man, will you send me the
Speaker 7: first chapter of your book? I'd love to read it?
Speaker 7: And I'm like, in such a great mo I'm like, heck, yeah, buddy,
Speaker 7: better than that, I'll send the entire book.
Speaker 1: Clay's my best friend.
Speaker 2: Like, I'll send you the first chapter, but here's the
Speaker 2: whole man, you read whatever you want, if you have.
Speaker 7: Any feedback or thoughts, would love to hear it. He said, great,
Speaker 7: So I send it within like minutes. So that was
Speaker 7: six months.
Speaker 2: Ago or whatever. No, not six months, a few months ago, Okay.
Speaker 2: Me and Clay see each other two days ago. I'm like, Clay,
Speaker 2: what do you think, Like, I haven't got to read
Speaker 2: a bit of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt really bad when I saw Mark because
Speaker 1: in the in the moment, I was very like, if
Speaker 1: I had this right this second, I would read it.
Speaker 1: And then he sent it and then it just like
Speaker 1: quickly just got lost. So I look forward to reading
Speaker 1: your book. Mark.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 6: I I'm first time bothman, first time meeting y'all in person,
Speaker 6: and one of the first things I say to him
Speaker 6: is I don't read. And he goes, you don't read.
Speaker 3: Like that that is the best impression of Mark ever.
Speaker 1: You don't read.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, no, never, And now this is all
Speaker 6: I'm tracking all day.
Speaker 1: This is this is our author here.
Speaker 6: Don't feel bad our author.
Speaker 3: Yes, but I think you kind of shot yourself in
Speaker 3: the foot, which which was a chapter is like manageable.
Speaker 3: He was asking for just a taste. Yeah, that was
Speaker 3: the time for just a taste, and you were like, well,
Speaker 3: here's the whole pie.
Speaker 7: Got intimidated your way. Yeah, you'll like it better when
Speaker 7: you see the real You know.
Speaker 1: What I'm looking forward to is the first line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the first sentence?
Speaker 2: What is the first sentence?
Speaker 6: A quote?
Speaker 1: Just no, not the quote just I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 1: looking at books and seeing what the first sentences because ye.
Speaker 4: About this and our entire mediator career.
Speaker 5: It's your first that's the barometer for how the whole
Speaker 5: thing is going.
Speaker 1: To Well, there's just a lot of ways to do it.
Speaker 1: I mean like some authors are just like you can
Speaker 1: see the first sentence isn't this sacred thing. It's just like,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about this. Some authors the first sentence
Speaker 1: is a sacred sentence and it just has to have
Speaker 1: like a lot which.
Speaker 4: Used to always share about the man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so one of the ones that always sticks in
Speaker 3: my mind is the man in black fled across the
Speaker 3: desert and the gun slinger followed.
Speaker 2: That Stephen Kings the Dark Tower exactly, Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 3: The man in black fled across the desert and the
Speaker 3: gun slinger followed. And you know you're like, oh.
Speaker 5: And it was Johnny cash.
Speaker 1: And in black. Well, so, uh so, Jannis just ran
Speaker 1: one hundred miles. How do you feel you're well, let
Speaker 1: me just say Joannis ran that less than a week
Speaker 1: ago on Saturday. When I when I saw Jannis for
Speaker 1: the first time this week, he informed me that he
Speaker 1: was still in a little bit of a brain fog
Speaker 1: because I saw you on Tuesday you ran it on
Speaker 1: on Friday, so you know, four days before so and uh.
Speaker 3: There should be some clarifying though. Is like one hundred
Speaker 3: miles is a long way for sure, but there's a
Speaker 3: lot of routes to go. One hundred miles is through
Speaker 3: the crazy mountains in Montana and there's a big elevation
Speaker 3: changes in there is one thing.
Speaker 1: But it's one of the toughest hundred miles in the country.
Speaker 3: It sounds like the footing the whole way was just
Speaker 3: very unpleasant, isn't isn't a place that you would go
Speaker 3: to just have an enjoyable run.
Speaker 2: Might right that there was twenty three thousand feet of game.
Speaker 4: Yeah that is not quite Everest, but close.
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Man, you know yeah, how do you feel? You're honest?
Speaker 4: I actually feel pretty good. Yeah, all in all, I've
Speaker 4: got some sore toes. Brant called me last night before
Speaker 4: I went to had to check in on my little toes.
Speaker 1: We'll be talking about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, tell us what you had to do.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm gonna lose some toenails over the whole thing,
Speaker 4: But overall, I feel pretty good. Proud of the effort. Obviously,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: You spent I mean really it's you don't really prepare
Speaker 1: for a race like this in months. It's more like
Speaker 1: years for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now I've been built. I think about five or
Speaker 4: six years ago I ran my first mountain sort of
Speaker 4: trail run race. Actually that's not true. I ran one
Speaker 4: back in Vail long time ago, but once since I
Speaker 4: moved to Montana. We have a great community race here
Speaker 4: in Bozeman called the Bridger Ridge Run, and it basically
Speaker 4: runs from Fairy Lake up in the bridges, down the
Speaker 4: ridge the spine of the bridges all the way down
Speaker 4: to the m the College m which is a very
Speaker 4: popular trailhead. It's like nineteen ish miles maybe twenty something
Speaker 4: in there. And once I did that, I just our
Speaker 4: buddy Rick Smith used to do this race called the Rut,
Speaker 4: and so I was like, oh, I can do the Rut.
Speaker 4: So I did thirty k which is about or fifty k,
Speaker 4: and that was thirty one miles. Then once I did
Speaker 4: that distance, I thought, oh, maybe I could do fifty miles.
Speaker 4: So I did a fifty mileer and then I made
Speaker 4: the leap to one hundred. I think I should have
Speaker 4: went to like a sixty five, and then the one
Speaker 4: hundred at least I had that thought when I was
Speaker 4: at sixty five.
Speaker 1: It's what's so wild about somebody running one hundred mile race?
Speaker 1: Is it? It feels impossible? I mean, and I run
Speaker 1: a little bit, Like I don't promote it, but I do.
Speaker 1: I run a little bit, and so I know what
Speaker 1: it's like to run ten miles and to think of
Speaker 1: running one hundred miles. This seems wild. Now, Mark, you're
Speaker 1: a runner, can you envision what it would take to
Speaker 1: run one hundred miles? Or is it like otherworldly?
Speaker 2: I've read, Man, I'm such a character of myself.
Speaker 7: But I've read a lot about it, and you know,
Speaker 7: I've ran a pretty what I thought was a pretty
Speaker 7: hard like Mountain Trail race, just a thirty k, but
Speaker 7: nothing on the scale of him. Yes, so I can
Speaker 7: imagine a bunch of the things, but I'm sure that
Speaker 7: my imagination is nowhere near.
Speaker 2: The actual reality. But it appeals to me like it
Speaker 2: does feel like a thing like someday. Yeah, probably, I'd
Speaker 2: like to see if I could do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm very honest told me, and I probably had
Speaker 1: heard this before, but these guys are running two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty mile races. Yeah, how is that humanly possible?
Speaker 5: Is that NonStop?
Speaker 4: Well no, I mean some people do it without sleep,
Speaker 4: and well most of the racers will stop and sleep
Speaker 4: for an extended period like many hours. Yeah.
Speaker 7: So there's a writer that I really like, a writer
Speaker 7: and podcast or talks about this ultra running stuff and
Speaker 7: he always says that the cool thing and kind of
Speaker 7: the funny thing about every one of these races. You
Speaker 7: go to the starting line and you look at the
Speaker 7: other people around at one hundred mile race and they're
Speaker 7: all different shapes and sizes and they have all sorts
Speaker 7: of different backgrounds and different styles, but every single one
Speaker 7: of them is the weirdest person at their office or
Speaker 7: in their family, right, Like, that's he's that crazy dude
Speaker 7: that goes one hundred miles.
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: About the crazy dude around here.
Speaker 7: Everyone's like, oh, he's the dude that runs a hundred miles, Like,
Speaker 7: you're not crazy for other reasons.
Speaker 2: I'm saying they're weird because they're willing to do.
Speaker 1: Be honest, is the only guy at this office with
Speaker 1: bleach blonde hair that is true which you did for
Speaker 1: the race? That's a little crazy.
Speaker 3: And painted toes, you know, yeah, I all that blue
Speaker 3: toes now.
Speaker 4: I think if you're into sort of pushing the boundaries
Speaker 4: a little bit of what you think you might be
Speaker 4: able to do or handle, this is a thing to
Speaker 4: go do and check out. Because uh yeah, even though
Speaker 4: as much as I knew what a long day was
Speaker 4: going to be and how hard it was going to be,
Speaker 4: I had no idea what was going to actually come
Speaker 4: and hit me. And it was fun and scary and
Speaker 4: great and real shitty all at the same time, you know,
Speaker 4: because it's hard to remember in the moment when you're
Speaker 4: there and you're like, I hate running and I should
Speaker 4: probably just stop this right now. It's it's hard to
Speaker 4: go oh right now, this is what you paid for.
Speaker 4: Like all the training, the first seventy miles was just
Speaker 4: like the entry ticket to get to that moment, to
Speaker 4: be like, oh, let's see what you're maine out of.
Speaker 4: Can you do the thing called just one foot in
Speaker 4: front of the other, that's all you got? Duke outs,
Speaker 4: one foot in front of the other. Well, that gets
Speaker 4: really hard.
Speaker 5: How many steps?
Speaker 4: When my watch quit it died, it ran out of battery.
Speaker 4: At about thirty hours. I was at ninety miles. I
Speaker 4: was at like one hundred and ten thousand steps.
Speaker 2: WHOA, you are an inspiration. I then like a serious
Speaker 2: I think, do.
Speaker 3: You how would how would your brain have functioned if
Speaker 3: you wouldn't have had pacers?
Speaker 4: Oh? How critical was was that? I guess like mission critical? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I for the first one. I don't know if I
Speaker 4: would have finished without the pacers, especially my one good buddy,
Speaker 4: Stephen Brucker, because everybody else, even though they're great people,
Speaker 4: positive people like Mark right here right, they didn't have
Speaker 4: the experience of dealing with somebody that's just like in
Speaker 4: the dumps and you know, low on energy, low on fuel,
Speaker 4: and then how to manage that situation?
Speaker 1: Or what did he do?
Speaker 4: Huh? What did Mark do? Or what did Steven do?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I mean this guy that you said, well, just like.
Speaker 4: Staying on top of the hydration and the fueling and
Speaker 4: and and and just the constant pushing and pulling and
Speaker 4: NonStop positive positive even has.
Speaker 7: Ran several hundred himself. It was like speaking to Ya's
Speaker 7: some personal experience, yeah.
Speaker 4: But constantly being like, hey man, we're moving, You're looking great,
Speaker 4: Let's keep going. You know, It's never like he's not like,
Speaker 4: do you look like shit? That's what I tried with.
Speaker 4: That's definitely you're like a ghost of yourself right now.
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, you know when I hear about people run
Speaker 1: one hundred miles and then even running two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty miles, it puts in perspectives some of these ancient
Speaker 1: human migrations that just seem implausible. I mean, for instance,
Speaker 1: and we don't have the details of all this stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like prehistory. But like you know, the
Speaker 1: people that went down into South America from presumably coming
Speaker 1: through Alaska on foot without modern technologies, clacking rocks together
Speaker 1: to make fire, and like you just think that is
Speaker 1: an impossible journey, It couldn't be done. And then but
Speaker 1: they did it. I mean there were people down there
Speaker 1: that were connected to the people up here, you know,
Speaker 1: and you think maybe it wasn't that big of a deal,
Speaker 1: and not that they did it all at once, but
Speaker 1: just like this, this the mobility of a human is
Speaker 1: pretty durn unique and and you see it in these today.
Speaker 1: What are extremes of guys like you, honest that are
Speaker 1: run one hundred miles?
Speaker 3: Do you think like the amount of calories that Yannis
Speaker 3: probably put down just prior to like twenty four hours
Speaker 3: ahead of time, then through the race, and then let's
Speaker 3: say twenty four hours after, Like what would be the
Speaker 3: caloric naturally found food caloric equivalent if you had to
Speaker 3: source it yourself at any like right, because there's a
Speaker 3: serious cost associated with that part too, burning calories to
Speaker 3: get those calories.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Probably cracking open bones for bone marrow and eating knees
Speaker 1: and yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know where you'd get the high sugar
Speaker 4: content stuff because that's what I feel like it is,
Speaker 4: like all the sugar. Well, when you're drinking these carb
Speaker 4: drink mixes, it's basically sugar. So you're like a humming bird,
Speaker 4: you know, you're just eating drinking sugar water, you know, the.
Speaker 1: Whole one straight to energy.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, uh so I don't know what you do
Speaker 4: that if you had to just gather that in the woods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, berries well uh and again in way of introduction,
Speaker 1: Mark is a white tail hunter, that's his main thing.
Speaker 1: Fly fisherman too, You're honest, I would say, is an
Speaker 1: elk hunter, and uh, in the last five or six
Speaker 1: years a houndsman. But all these things that you're doing
Speaker 1: kind of translate in your mind to being able to
Speaker 1: do what you need to do in the mountains. That's
Speaker 1: right here. You talk about when you talk about fitnesses
Speaker 1: just having longevity, So when you're seventy being able to
Speaker 1: climb a mountain, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, I want to hunt at seventy.
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, Brent Reeves and and Heather, you guys trouble, troubled, trouble.
Speaker 1: I had nothing to do with this. Uh, tell me
Speaker 1: about what happened last night with Brent and Cal.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Heather, Okay, well, get done with dinner. And
Speaker 6: I said, hey, hey, Brent, I needed to call Steve
Speaker 6: and tell him you love him. And that's your medication
Speaker 6: worn off. I'm not doing that. I want to keep
Speaker 6: my job. So we settled on Cal.
Speaker 1: You were you were the second string, you know, like
Speaker 1: recipient of this joke.
Speaker 3: Now there is some discount, Steve.
Speaker 4: I like to say.
Speaker 5: There's some kind of some kind of trend on social
Speaker 5: media where friends call each a mint. Male friends called
Speaker 5: their friends at night and just before.
Speaker 6: The bedtime tell them good night, I love.
Speaker 5: You, something that probably doesn't happen a lot amongst.
Speaker 1: And so you filmed.
Speaker 6: It was either you or him going to make the call.
Speaker 6: But we thought, you know what, if anyone calls somebody
Speaker 6: and says I love you, good night, sweet dreams, and
Speaker 6: it's going to be the most believable it would be Brent.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, it was pure peer pressure.
Speaker 4: We could rob.
Speaker 5: She could have made me rob a lickor storeline.
Speaker 6: And I kept saying, don't forget I love you.
Speaker 1: So we all we all go into the the lobby
Speaker 1: of this hotel. Heather goes and asks the hotel people
Speaker 1: to turn the music off. Oh wow, because they're just
Speaker 1: just like ambient music playing, which I thought was a
Speaker 1: pretty high level move. And then so Brent calls Cal.
Speaker 1: We I didn't think you'd pick up Cal. I just
Speaker 1: I just kind of thought, I bet Cal's not even
Speaker 1: gonna pick up.
Speaker 3: What time at night was this nine o'clock?
Speaker 6: And I later asked Deep, if we would have called you,
Speaker 6: would you have answered, And he said nope, I told
Speaker 6: you so.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So we call Cal and Cal and he's like, hey, Brent,
Speaker 5: Hey Cal, So I always call him Ryan, right, that's
Speaker 5: what he's Mama calls him. That's what I'm gona call him.
Speaker 5: I said, hey, Ryan, what are you doing? He said,
Speaker 5: And the most Ryan Callahan answer. Ever, he said, well,
Speaker 5: I just got through eating some white tail backstrap and
Speaker 5: I'm laying down. What are you doing? And the conversation
Speaker 5: just kind of went off course from there and I
Speaker 5: can see Cal's face, Well he's talking to me like
Speaker 5: Brent's lost his mind.
Speaker 6: Oh, he said, I just wanted to see if you
Speaker 6: had a good day to day and uh and call
Speaker 6: you until you good night and was really nice.
Speaker 1: It was like super nice.
Speaker 3: Well I thought Brent may have been having a moment,
Speaker 3: you know, And I was like, okay, you know, mental
Speaker 3: health is a big thing. I I want to let
Speaker 3: you know I'm here for you. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 3: to push the direction someplace that shouldn't go, Like you
Speaker 3: tell me, how was your day?
Speaker 1: And emotionally it was great?
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cal was just like he just took it.
Speaker 2: At what point did you like get kind of speaker?
Speaker 2: Were you a little bit like what's going on here?
Speaker 3: Well, like like I said this morning, right, Like, I
Speaker 3: have several friends all across the country there are veterans,
Speaker 3: and they deal with some some tough mental health stuff
Speaker 3: and I always make sure that when when this comes
Speaker 3: up on occasion, that they know that they can call
Speaker 3: me and and I make sure that my numbers in
Speaker 3: their phone, because that's a huge, huge part of you
Speaker 3: know that this like very tragic suicide rate amongst veterans
Speaker 3: and PTSD is when they often do reach out and
Speaker 3: call people when they're in these crisis moments. And often
Speaker 3: the the difference of creating or committing to an act
Speaker 3: that you can't go back from, uh, like suicide is
Speaker 3: whether or not somebody picks up a phone.
Speaker 1: So wow, Cal took it to like, I mean serious
Speaker 1: place quick, but it's true.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 3: It is so yeah, I mean that's what I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: this is a little odd. So I try to, like
Speaker 3: a lot of my buddies, nine o'clock at night, I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there with girlfriend on the couch. I can let
Speaker 3: that go until the next day, right, But uh, you
Speaker 3: never called me at nine o'clock at night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Yep, that's one thing that you get. I figured he'd
Speaker 5: pick up if he saw it was me on there,
Speaker 5: and he did. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then and then so Brent ends it with a right.
Speaker 5: Good night buddy, was a good night, Cal, and he's
Speaker 5: like good night, and I'm like, I love you. Buddy goes,
Speaker 5: I love you too.
Speaker 1: And I still don't get the joke. Well, yeah, and
Speaker 1: just conta cal if you see me, call it an answer, please, Okay,
Speaker 1: I won't be filming. It was good. It was a
Speaker 1: good call.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we didn't know about this when we did in.
Speaker 1: The almost simultaneously, Steve Vanella it was actually it was
Speaker 1: a major setup and I didn't even know it. I
Speaker 1: don't think they really meant it to be a complete setup.
Speaker 1: Steve Varnell doesn't call me that often. I mean I
Speaker 1: consider him a good friend, that a guy I love.
Speaker 1: He doesn't call me that often. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he calls you all much. Steve Vernella calls me in
Speaker 1: the middle of our meeting yesterday and he knows I'm
Speaker 1: in a meeting, and so I'm like, well, this must
Speaker 1: be important. I like scramble around like bump people and
Speaker 1: get out in the hall and I'm like hell, And
Speaker 1: He's like, Clay, Man, this this physicist that you interviewed
Speaker 1: on this water witching episode. I was disappointed in him, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy like he should have read a
Speaker 1: little more about it. But he did say one thing.
Speaker 1: And Steve just starts talking and I mean I talked
Speaker 1: to him for twenty five I listened to him for
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes talk about the water Begger's water Witching episode.
Speaker 1: And He's just going on and on and he you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of get fired up, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: like he's speaking my language. You know, I'm excited, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I start talking and I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: talking to, you know, a confidant here. You know, I
Speaker 1: can really say what I think. And so I'm talking
Speaker 1: about holding the sticks water Witch and we did this
Speaker 1: whole episode on Waterwitch and and what makes the sticks move?
Speaker 1: And so I'm describing passionately an even more detailed version
Speaker 1: of what I said on the podcast. All the while, Randall,
Speaker 1: doctor Randall the Random All himself is filming Steve Vanella
Speaker 1: with his phone sat on the table and Steve just laughing,
Speaker 1: like silently laughing, like throwing his head back, laughing at
Speaker 1: me on the line, just like pouring out my heart.
Speaker 5: They I mean, dude, yeah, are they going to use
Speaker 5: that social It's already been sent to meetiater social media person.
Speaker 1: So uh So, anyway, I was punked as well, Cayley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I might for folks who ever get in this
Speaker 3: situation when Steve calls and he's going off on his thing, right,
Speaker 3: if you interject and you stop him, he clicks into
Speaker 3: reality again of the fact that there's somebody else on
Speaker 3: the other end. And more often than not, and you
Speaker 3: guys got to listen for this. He'll be like, I'll
Speaker 3: let do you say your thing, but I just got
Speaker 3: to say one more thing. Let me say this one
Speaker 3: last thing. So okay, So it didn't end with Cal
Speaker 3: last night.
Speaker 6: Though, We're gonna have trust issues now.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody calls, you gonna be like, yeah, so we
Speaker 1: had so much fun with Cal that we Brent immediately calls,
Speaker 1: what was your experience? Like, here you honest with this.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was also in bed, had just finished my
Speaker 4: second ice cream bar of the evening that you earned,
Speaker 4: and I was probably scrolling through some moultry picks on
Speaker 4: my laptop and Brent Reeves's number pops up.
Speaker 6: I answered, He goes, I was just those little toes.
Speaker 4: I all your toes. He was worried about your toes,
Speaker 4: And I'm like, that's kind of weird, but funny you
Speaker 4: say that I had to do some like little surgery today.
Speaker 4: So I tell him about doing.
Speaker 1: He was immediately skeptical. He was like, whatever, what do
Speaker 1: you need?
Speaker 5: Brent? I got that like, no, man, I was called
Speaker 5: check on your feet.
Speaker 4: You're right. I kind of forgot about that where I
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, Brent, ha like that's funny. What do
Speaker 4: you need?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you sniffed it, stuck with it.
Speaker 4: And that's when I kind of went.
Speaker 2: Back towards like I'm like, you got to commit, man,
Speaker 2: what's going on with Brent?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he needs somebody. And he called me, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Have to be for what happened at group dinner.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, because my first thought was brent'son to me.
Speaker 4: Brent's baked Softie's like big teddy bear, you know, and
Speaker 4: he's got a lot of you know, passion, emotion, probably empathy,
Speaker 4: sympathy for people. And and I thought I've seen Brent
Speaker 4: drink like a beer or two, but maybe last night
Speaker 4: he had three or four.
Speaker 8: And you know what happened, and he just needs to
Speaker 8: call his buddies and just tell me loves.
Speaker 3: Better better at nine pm than four am.
Speaker 6: Then wait then he says I love you and and
Speaker 6: you go bye yeah, and then we're like, you don't
Speaker 6: love you?
Speaker 1: Cal Cals was love you. They're both both unique experiences.
Speaker 1: But you know what, they were trying to get me
Speaker 1: to do it, and I was just like, I couldn't
Speaker 1: do I could not pull it off. Brent used to
Speaker 1: be an undercover agent. Yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 4: Thought, actually, then you should have done a better job.
Speaker 6: We talk, do we know the story about what you
Speaker 6: first thought of him?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Talk about it all?
Speaker 6: Okay, that he was so nice and had all that.
Speaker 1: I thought he was coloration of what you'd want.
Speaker 6: And a friend and that made you suspicious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good person. Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: still not fully convinced that's not a long term plan.
Speaker 5: A long come and for the long game a long
Speaker 5: time fifteen years now, m hm.
Speaker 1: So that that was pretty exciting. And it was all Heather, Heather, Heather.
Speaker 4: It was her enough after Cal and myself, no one else,
Speaker 4: I mean, that was it.
Speaker 6: It just was Yeah, who else would we were there?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: I think it gets a little less funny probably every
Speaker 1: time you do it, Like in the moment, the first
Speaker 1: one was just hysterical. Duke Duke from First Light was
Speaker 1: there and he was giggling like a school girl.
Speaker 6: He's laughing, so loud. Yeah, we might hear him say
Speaker 6: I love you too, which was we were a little
Speaker 6: crushed about that, were like, shut up.
Speaker 3: But when you sent the video that you filmed, Sam
Speaker 3: was like, you couldn't hear this in the background. I'm like,
Speaker 3: half the time I can't hear you on the other
Speaker 3: end of the couch.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's yeah. It was great, It was great.
Speaker 1: It was fun. It was fun. Heather, Yes, tell me
Speaker 1: about this tattoo on your hand. Can you show it
Speaker 1: to the cameras?
Speaker 6: Yes, they float like this. This is uh wooden hallibut hook.
Speaker 6: It's in my traditional language. It's called nah spelled na
Speaker 6: x w if you want to spell it in English.
Speaker 6: And this is a hook that it has a sea
Speaker 6: monster design and it's the only hook we've retired. My
Speaker 6: dad and I fish with these, and it fished for
Speaker 6: like thirty years. We finally retired it.
Speaker 4: Because it one hook.
Speaker 6: It always caught the fish and they're sett in pairs
Speaker 6: to compete against each other, and it would always catch.
Speaker 6: So we retired it to give the other ones a
Speaker 6: chance and.
Speaker 4: Those thirty years. Because it looks like it's lashed together
Speaker 4: right like do you don't do you do you find
Speaker 4: a y shaped piece of wood to make it out of.
Speaker 6: Pieces of wood. We're actually gonna film in my upcoming
Speaker 6: show next week episode on using them. But they're made
Speaker 6: of two different types of wood. So the part that
Speaker 6: has the design as you would and then this part
Speaker 6: that has the barb was yellow cedar.
Speaker 1: Is that on purpose or is that just that specific.
Speaker 6: One was like densities of wood make it float appropriately
Speaker 6: when you set them.
Speaker 1: And then the place that wants to go to the bottom.
Speaker 6: And then this, you know, we have you know, cordage
Speaker 6: there that needs to be placed in the right spot.
Speaker 6: So this yellow seedar part floats level to the ocean floor,
Speaker 6: so not like this or this just level, so that
Speaker 6: placement's important. Traditionally the materials used would be spruce root,
Speaker 6: you know, to fasten the two pieces together, and a
Speaker 6: bare bone barb and cedar bark line the float at
Speaker 6: the surface traditionally with an inflated dried seal stomach. And
Speaker 6: then there's a tattletale bowie and typically that's a cormorant,
Speaker 6: you know, black bird, and when you get one it
Speaker 6: tips up, so you'd set them, go to the beach
Speaker 6: and watch and tips up and you go check your
Speaker 6: hooks and the halbit come up real easy, you know,
Speaker 6: hand line them. And if you've caught halbt on a pole,
Speaker 6: it feels like you're pulling up a mattress. But with
Speaker 6: these it you know, my niece is ten, she pulled
Speaker 6: up a two hundred and fifteen pounder, just real easy.
Speaker 6: Wo hand line it up.
Speaker 1: And why is it different?
Speaker 6: I don't know. It's the technology, you know, it's just
Speaker 6: I fling get traditional method of fishing, and just the
Speaker 6: way that the hooks are created and fished and the
Speaker 6: halvet just stay calm wow.
Speaker 3: But then are you spearing them on the surface or
Speaker 3: gaffing them or balk them? There's got to come up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when they come up, you want to hit a
Speaker 6: halbit right on the nostrils, right when its head comes
Speaker 6: up out of the water before it can get mad.
Speaker 6: So if you hit them really hard right on the nose.
Speaker 4: With the bat of some sort like a back you know.
Speaker 6: Gaff hook or club, they don't flop around like that.
Speaker 6: And I see people shoot them and harpoon them. It's
Speaker 6: not necessary. You can get a big three hundred pounder,
Speaker 6: hit it on the nose the right spot and it
Speaker 6: just peace fully comes up over that.
Speaker 3: I have come to the conclusion that harpooning them is
Speaker 3: not necessary at all, but it is so much fun.
Speaker 4: I would rather do that.
Speaker 3: It's just so much fun.
Speaker 6: Then if it wakes up, sometimes you splash water on
Speaker 6: the deck and a wake up. But if you hit
Speaker 6: a halbit on its belly, you know, if it's dark
Speaker 6: side down belly up to the white side, you hit
Speaker 6: it on its belly and you pet it going towards
Speaker 6: its tail. It mimics that feeling of them like swimming
Speaker 6: and the their belly on the bottom of the ocean,
Speaker 6: and they lay it right back down.
Speaker 3: WHOA, that's cool.
Speaker 6: I hit them on the stomach and go like this.
Speaker 6: Then they go back to that's interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you want to go eat a fifty pounder
Speaker 4: or two and fifty pounder the.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the medium smaller ones. But so with this to
Speaker 6: prevent over fishing, you know, you only set them ount
Speaker 6: of hooks the fish you want to catch, because you
Speaker 6: can't release fish off of here. So typically would you
Speaker 6: release a big albit off like a skate or long line,
Speaker 6: but you you have to keep that fish you catch,
Speaker 6: So you catch a really big one itok, like two
Speaker 6: hundred three pounds and fifty or more pounds. You know,
Speaker 6: you might just want one fish, so to ensure you
Speaker 6: don't over harvest or only take what you need, you're
Speaker 6: just gonna set a couple hooks.
Speaker 1: So I want to go back to what you said
Speaker 1: in case anybody missed it. Missed it. I've heard you
Speaker 1: say it before. But you're you're setting. You set two
Speaker 1: at a time, so they compete.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's like a friendly competition. Each one has
Speaker 6: eyes so you can see what it's catching. You lower
Speaker 6: them and in our traditional language, you like give them
Speaker 6: encouraging words and they you pick two out and they're
Speaker 6: different designs, so we're like, oh, we're going to compete
Speaker 6: sea monster against ego or whatever the other one is.
Speaker 6: And then sometimes both catch, sometimes none, sometimes one, and
Speaker 6: it's sort of just like a wave of you know,
Speaker 6: having fun and encouraging bring good energy into the things
Speaker 6: you do and the food that you harvest. And then
Speaker 6: it's a myth. You know, some people say that you
Speaker 6: can adjust that width to catch a smaller or larger fish.
Speaker 6: That's a myth. A halbit, cheek or slip is about
Speaker 6: the same size, whether it's a twenty pounder or a
Speaker 6: three hundred pounder. And we've caught all different.
Speaker 1: All different sizes. So you retired this one because it
Speaker 1: was so good and give a chance.
Speaker 6: Always caught hundreds of fish. And it has teeth marks,
Speaker 6: you know. I I should have brought it to show you.
Speaker 6: But right here, it's got a bunch of teeth marks.
Speaker 6: It's like old and gray the wood.
Speaker 1: So where did that one? Did your dad make that one?
Speaker 6: He makes all of them.
Speaker 1: So but that specific one that you've retired.
Speaker 6: What gave it to me? I mean that's this is
Speaker 6: a sea monster. But yeah, he gave it to me.
Speaker 6: It's at my house. Wow, that's pretty incredible.
Speaker 5: I want you to get too new ones and name
Speaker 5: one brand and one clay. We could see which one.
Speaker 6: Catches the most in my episode. You know, have a
Speaker 6: film and you can pick your design. Really yeah, we'll
Speaker 6: call you up. We'll have you choose. You compete against
Speaker 6: each other.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, is the hook baited?
Speaker 6: Yeah? So you wrap? So take a octopus tentacle and
Speaker 6: you shave off a thin layer, you know, the part
Speaker 6: that has the suckers, because if you put a whole
Speaker 6: octopus denticle on here, it'd be so heavy it wouldn't
Speaker 6: float appropriately. So you just shave off that layer to
Speaker 6: make it look like a lot of bait. You wrap
Speaker 6: it so it looks like a lot and hol it
Speaker 6: love octopus. You bait this part and wrap it around.
Speaker 6: The barb is exposed, you wrap it around. Then you
Speaker 6: do it well a piece of nylon. It twine a
Speaker 6: couple half itches, wrap it over the tentacle, and then
Speaker 6: secure it here. When halib it goes to eat, you
Speaker 6: know they can't see very well because they have eyes
Speaker 6: on top of their head. They can smell really well
Speaker 6: in gears. So when you set them, the sinkers are
Speaker 6: these rocks with the groove carved in them, and you
Speaker 6: kind of knock wake them up.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 6: You set your hooks and then you like knock on
Speaker 6: the ground with the pull the line obviously up here
Speaker 6: and you could feel that rock like knocking.
Speaker 1: You feel like that's calling.
Speaker 6: Them had the fight When you do that, Oh.
Speaker 1: You could feel it just any any any disturbance down
Speaker 1: there there picking up on it when.
Speaker 6: They're if they're there, they're gonna bite.
Speaker 1: But you know, halib It's my favorite fish you ever
Speaker 1: see them cook it.
Speaker 6: No, when they eat, when halliba open their mouth marks
Speaker 6: had my halibit it was good, it was good.
Speaker 2: You did well.
Speaker 6: It creates a vacuum and they it sucks that part
Speaker 6: in their mouth and they don't like something. They try
Speaker 6: to spit out when they ejected, goes in their cheek.
Speaker 1: The barb, the barb which is oftentimes the shin bone
Speaker 1: of a bear. Yes, yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 6: It's the barb I like to dry. My favorite to
Speaker 6: eat helb is dried.
Speaker 4: Dried.
Speaker 1: See, I've never I would have never had that way cold.
Speaker 1: I kind of like dried salmon, salmon like meat snacks.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have a hard time fishing with octopus because I
Speaker 3: like to eat the octopus so much.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's tasty octopus from sometimes they go in their
Speaker 6: crab pots, you know right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Heather Win, do your Meat Eater films come out?
Speaker 6: I think September.
Speaker 1: Oh, they're coming out soon, so you'll be able to
Speaker 1: watch on the media YouTube channel a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: filmed in Alaska with with Heather and her dad and uh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna be cool. I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: Does any of this fishing talk get you interested in
Speaker 2: diving into fish further class.
Speaker 1: I mean, I enjoy fishing in Alaska just because of
Speaker 1: the novelty of it, and I actually enjoy fishing. I
Speaker 1: just had to make a decision when I was twenty
Speaker 1: two years old, when I had my first child. It
Speaker 1: was like they gotta be a because at that time,
Speaker 1: I honestly could have gone probably either way. I liked
Speaker 1: to fish and hunt. I just knew I couldn't do both,
Speaker 1: so I kind of rejected, reject. I went that route,
Speaker 1: rejected fishing.
Speaker 6: How did you cook the halibt?
Speaker 1: Mark?
Speaker 5: Mark?
Speaker 1: Mark was sandwich fish, sandwich fish and chips. Oh, just butter,
Speaker 1: butter pretty much grilled halib I.
Speaker 2: Mean it's terrific given the circumstances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was on. It was on Meadia to roast
Speaker 1: the cooking show, you know, so it was fun. It
Speaker 1: was good. But I do love halibut.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 4: Right one now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, O cal hey man, you know what people ask
Speaker 1: me all the time, and I want to ask you, Well,
Speaker 1: you were just on Joe Rogan. Yeah, tell me about
Speaker 1: that experience and you can tell us what we were
Speaker 1: talking about, what you guys were talking about. But this
Speaker 1: is a huge deal. I mean, like you in our culture.
Speaker 1: If aliens came down here and analyzed our culture, they
Speaker 1: would be like, wait a minute, why do people think
Speaker 1: it's like unique and cool to go on Joe Rogan Regan?
Speaker 6: Who's this?
Speaker 1: But like you were on Rogan like two weeks ago, it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a weird deal. I
Speaker 3: feel like I've known Joe for a long time now,
Speaker 3: It's not like we're talking on the phone every day.
Speaker 1: But uh, however, called Joe Rogan tonight. I love you Joe.
Speaker 3: It's a lot different these days, like the last last time,
Speaker 3: like when we hunted together and then uh we did
Speaker 3: the Joe Rogan podcast when when he was still in California.
Speaker 1: So you've been on it before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one one time for the exact same reason as
Speaker 3: as this last time, right public lands. But you know,
Speaker 3: when he was in California, it was like, cool, show
Speaker 3: up at this address. There you are, We walk in,
Speaker 3: he unlocks his own door, walking together. Now it's it's
Speaker 3: way different, right, undisclosed location and you get picked up,
Speaker 3: dropped off. You know, his security team is all it's
Speaker 3: all the same guys from the last couple of years really,
Speaker 3: you know, nice guys. So sat around bsked with them.
Speaker 3: Then Joe finally rolled in and and uh and yeah
Speaker 3: did did the podcast. And it was kind of odd timing, right,
Speaker 3: because we had been talking and I'd been like, hey, Joe,
Speaker 3: you need to pay attention to this public land sell
Speaker 3: off stuff. It's very real.
Speaker 1: So you had said that you had communicated with him before, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in some way, yeah, yeah, just call him, email him.
Speaker 3: I was just texting him, just saying hey, man, like
Speaker 3: this is real, just to stay on top of it.
Speaker 3: And Cameron Haynes was was I was keeping him in
Speaker 3: the loop, right and uh. And then eventually I was like,
Speaker 3: this is super real, like we got to make a
Speaker 3: podcast happen. And He's like, yep, you're right, it's you.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's gutsy. I like it that you had
Speaker 1: the boldness to say, hey, we need to do a podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he and he did it.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to call him and be like, hey,
Speaker 3: I want to talk about me, right, I mean, this
Speaker 3: is important stuff. So and and yeah, I mean he
Speaker 3: was like, okay, how about July fourth? And I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: July fourth too late they're gonna vote. They're supposed to
Speaker 3: vote in the Senate on July, so it's got to
Speaker 3: be earlier in that. And he was like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll reschedule this other guy and got in there July third,
Speaker 3: and he's like, but that's the best I can do.
Speaker 3: So went down there and yeah, I had a good talk.
Speaker 3: But you know, at that point, we had just gotten
Speaker 3: two days earlier the public lands sell off language removed
Speaker 3: from the Senate version of the the budget bill, big big,
Speaker 3: beautiful budget bill, and so we kind of had like
Speaker 3: a little bit of a recap, but also like, this
Speaker 3: is kind of how we got here. And you know,
Speaker 3: Joe likes to have tangents too, you know, and some
Speaker 3: some of which I'm not super interested in, if I'm
Speaker 3: being honest, But so you know, have have to kind
Speaker 3: of redirect, but you know, very important to me obviously
Speaker 3: making sure we have places to go hunt and fish
Speaker 3: and making sure that people understand that even though you're
Speaker 3: not using it, this is yours right now. Do you
Speaker 3: want to lose it forever? Because once it's gone, it's gone.
Speaker 3: And yeah, so that's that's what we talked about. And
Speaker 3: then you know, right right, now today, I just got
Speaker 3: a call because the next version of land sell offs
Speaker 3: is is coming in and there's a lot of folks
Speaker 3: working really hard to defund a lot of like very
Speaker 3: specific areas of how we manage our public resources and
Speaker 3: in an effort to kind of minimize those areas and
Speaker 3: make them easier to sell off. So I got a
Speaker 3: call from the Washington Post today to talk about where
Speaker 3: we think this funding is going and is it important
Speaker 3: to hunters and anglers.
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I mean, and it's just gonna keep coming
Speaker 3: until folks understand that public land, public water, public wildlife
Speaker 3: is so important to everybody that it's not this political
Speaker 3: bargaining chip. You got to keep your hands off of it, right, So,
Speaker 3: and by keep your hands off of it, there's always
Speaker 3: these extremes these days, right, the ultra crazy liberal left
Speaker 3: and the ultra crazy conservative right, and nobody talks about
Speaker 3: the ultra crazy middle right, where it's not keep your
Speaker 3: hands off it, you can't touch it, you can't go
Speaker 3: out there, as some people like to say, And it's not.
Speaker 3: It only does us good if we can extract everything
Speaker 3: off of it, right, So we all use stuff when
Speaker 3: it's time for extraction. It's got to be responsible extraction,
Speaker 3: and there's there's ways to do that stuff responsibly if
Speaker 3: we demand that it needs to be done that way, right,
Speaker 3: So yeah, kind of advocating for the ultra crazy middle ground,
Speaker 3: like the radical center. Yeah, exactly, radical center.
Speaker 1: Is it true that maybe I heard you say Mark
Speaker 1: today that Mike Lee, who was the face of the
Speaker 1: of the of the bill that was the part of
Speaker 1: the bill that was wanting to sell off the land, yep,
Speaker 1: that after all this he was like, uh there there
Speaker 1: murmurs of him thinking that where did all this opposition
Speaker 1: come from? Was it this dark money?
Speaker 2: Who's funding?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: What dark money is funding all this opposition?
Speaker 1: As if as if our voice and all the hunters
Speaker 1: and anglers who stood up on social.
Speaker 2: Media and it could not be legitimate.
Speaker 1: Right it we had to be somehow being coerced or
Speaker 1: paid or I mean that actually had he actually said that.
Speaker 5: Because apparently that's the way they do business up there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's revealing, right, Yeah, and that's a huge like where
Speaker 3: we need to get to thing is is we're only
Speaker 3: going to have as much transparency into this process as
Speaker 3: we demand, and a lot of these people do not
Speaker 3: want people paying attention to them.
Speaker 4: They just they do not with.
Speaker 3: The more spotlight they have on them, the less they're
Speaker 3: gonna get done in their own way. And that's the
Speaker 3: role that we all have to play, you know, as citizens,
Speaker 3: is demanding that these people represent our interests. And sometimes
Speaker 3: the chips might fall in the right direction when we're
Speaker 3: not paying attention, but that's not where I'm going to
Speaker 3: put my money.
Speaker 5: You know, you want to see the roaches running high,
Speaker 5: just turn the lights on.
Speaker 3: Turn the lights on, yes, sir. So there's a lot
Speaker 3: of very smart folks who are in tune with things
Speaker 3: saying that there's going to be another big land sell
Speaker 3: off attempt here during hunting season because people have realized
Speaker 3: that it was It wasn't until the hunting community, and
Speaker 3: this is something that we should be patting our backs on.
Speaker 3: It wasn't until the hunting community really got riled up
Speaker 3: that everybody else started taking it really seriously, and it
Speaker 3: was this kind of domino effect, if you will. And
Speaker 3: so people have been like, oh my gosh, well, let's
Speaker 3: just do it during the hunting season, and then these
Speaker 3: people are going to be distracted because we know they
Speaker 3: care way more about hunting than what we're doing.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 7: The thing is, I've always thought that we as the
Speaker 7: hunting and fishing community kind of have a superpower on
Speaker 7: these types of issues because folks like Mike Lee and
Speaker 7: his ILK they can ignore the traditional environmentalists, the traditional
Speaker 7: left leaning green crowd, because those folks weren't supporting Mike
Speaker 7: Lee or anyone on that side of the aisle anyways, right,
Speaker 7: But they do need to listen to the hunting and
Speaker 7: fishing community, which has traditionally supported the right side of
Speaker 7: the aisle, and they need the support of our community.
Speaker 7: So all this and we start making a ruckus about
Speaker 7: this stuff, we are being heard. They do need to,
Speaker 7: you know, work for that constituency. So there's a little
Speaker 7: bit of an extra opportunity we have in these moments.
Speaker 3: H And there's a giant chunk of under I feel
Speaker 3: like something that the politicians need to pay attention to
Speaker 3: is there's this huge, huge group literally larger than the
Speaker 3: group that voted for the Democrats and larger than the
Speaker 3: group that voted for the Republicans in this last election,
Speaker 3: that are saying we are not being represented. And it's
Speaker 3: motivating that thirty six percent that didn't vote to vote
Speaker 3: one way or another, right, like, where's my representation? And
Speaker 3: I think a lot of those people definitely stood up
Speaker 3: and made phone calls and posts and rallied people during
Speaker 3: this public land sales stuff. So the more that we
Speaker 3: can get people engaged, the more they're going to pay attention.
Speaker 3: So I say, policy not politics. Don't support politics, but
Speaker 3: you gotta be involved in policy.
Speaker 1: You're here, well, I was, I was. I was proud
Speaker 1: to know you cal on that whole deal. Just uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about I mean, it's it's uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes those kind of issues aren't on the forefront,
Speaker 1: but when they are, I look, I'm looking to you
Speaker 1: and and and some other people. Mark was really vocal
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: So anyway, it was a it was a it was
Speaker 1: a clutch play, you know, and there was so many
Speaker 1: people involved. I mean yeah, but it was yeah, And
Speaker 1: I guess we're just gonna have to keep finding it, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're preaching to the choir so much,
Speaker 1: but I mean we just have I feel like that
Speaker 1: we just have no no real awareness of how fortunate
Speaker 1: we are to live in this country, have access to
Speaker 1: public land.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 5: Period.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like, this is a human experience
Speaker 1: that's that is not happening in other places where we could.
Speaker 1: And I mean there's all this talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: people being upset about ELK draws being harder to get
Speaker 1: to and hunting being limited, But Kylie, I'm just happy
Speaker 1: that I can get an ELK tag in my lifetime.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want the bar to drop so
Speaker 1: low that. I Mean, I realize there's challenges, but I'm
Speaker 1: just I just think it's cool that that we have
Speaker 1: access to what we have.
Speaker 3: And yeah, you can put your name in the hat
Speaker 3: for a big horn sheep right, It's like and it's
Speaker 3: it's possible, yep right, Yanni Drew big horn. Right, That's
Speaker 3: that's a tough one to grab, folks. Yeah, you just
Speaker 3: can't be complacent, right, because it doesn't matter how big
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan's podcast is. Like, if the people don't listen
Speaker 3: to that and then make the phone calls and the
Speaker 3: emails on their own, He's just one boys, right, or
Speaker 3: Clay or Heather or Brent or Jannis or Mark or myself.
Speaker 3: And you can't assume somebody else is going to be
Speaker 3: the heavy lifting, correct, that's the deal.
Speaker 4: I feel like we should put some effort into opposing
Speaker 4: Mike Lee next time he has to run for his seat.
Speaker 4: We can definitely remind people, right, Yeah, yeah, be great
Speaker 4: to get him primaried.
Speaker 1: Well, let's I want I want to close down with
Speaker 1: one story that that has just come up and everybody's
Speaker 1: talking about it, and I just I just kind of
Speaker 1: want to get your hot take on it. Ye honest,
Speaker 1: tell us about the the guy that poached the deer
Speaker 1: that that everybody's talking about. There's a good Mediator article
Speaker 1: about it, there's articles all over we we just give
Speaker 1: the world a look into what this guy did and
Speaker 1: what happened to him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'll preface it was saying that was really
Speaker 4: impressed by our editorial team, Maggie and I can't remember
Speaker 4: who she says.
Speaker 2: She wrote it with Whither.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the latest like email that I got from
Speaker 4: them that I forget what the title was, it was like,
Speaker 4: don't be a moron? And then like the top three
Speaker 4: articles in this email and what's on the website today
Speaker 4: was all these poaching cases. Right, but Maggie wrote a
Speaker 4: nice little piece about being like don't be these people, Like,
Speaker 4: let's celebrate all the great things and do it right,
Speaker 4: respect it. And it was just really nice to see
Speaker 4: like us coming forward and putting our voice out there,
Speaker 4: not just writing an article, you know, sort of you know,
Speaker 4: trying to get clicks with another poaching case. Right. But
Speaker 4: the first one in the set of three is about
Speaker 4: a hunter, a and a you know internet celebrity YouTube
Speaker 4: hunter who has a show, albeit small, but he has
Speaker 4: a show on YouTube. I think he also is on
Speaker 4: Carbon TV if I'm not mistaken. And he was hunting
Speaker 4: in Kansas in a unit that he did not have
Speaker 4: a tag for. He did have a Kansas tag, but
Speaker 4: not a tag for that unit, killed a deer, drove
Speaker 4: that deer to Oklahoma, where he also had a tag,
Speaker 4: and then tagged that deer there, then went back to
Speaker 4: Kansas and hunted in the unit that he did have
Speaker 4: a tag for and killed another buck. In the end,
Speaker 4: when it all came out and he got busted, he
Speaker 4: got in trouble for killing two deer in Kansas, which
Speaker 4: you're not allowed to do. He can only kill one buck.
Speaker 4: And then he also got in trouble through the Lacyact
Speaker 4: for transporting that illegal animal across state lines. It's gonna say, Brent,
Speaker 4: when you're out there committing crimes, do you suggest crossing
Speaker 4: state lines?
Speaker 5: That is a bad, bad juju right there, that's going
Speaker 5: to escalated.
Speaker 1: How did they catch him.
Speaker 5: From a state to federal I'm not sure the article
Speaker 5: even stayed of how he was No, we don't.
Speaker 4: Know, but I do know that there was of like
Speaker 4: some heavy hitter government agencies in on it. I think
Speaker 4: it might even said c I A was was was
Speaker 4: in on it, like the big kids came out to
Speaker 4: stop this guy. So obviously both fish wildlife departments from
Speaker 4: Oklahoma and Kansas were involved. But yeah, it's a big deal.
Speaker 4: He's uh, he's losing his license uh for his lifetime
Speaker 4: in Kansas and then I forget how.
Speaker 5: Many years, five years, five years nationwide.
Speaker 1: It was interesting seeing all the hunting companies that sponsored
Speaker 1: him come out with their statements this week. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: multiple multiple companies had these big ride ups about how
Speaker 1: they're rejecting their association with this kind of surprise, like
Speaker 1: they why.
Speaker 7: They would even say anything at all, because this was
Speaker 7: personally I'd never heard of this person before or I've
Speaker 7: never heard of it felt like you were actually bringing
Speaker 7: more tension to him and your association with him by
Speaker 7: doing this post. Then if you just said nothing at all,
Speaker 7: I don't think anybody would have known about it exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think that the pr side of things,
Speaker 4: they don't want to get caught being like, hey, everybody
Speaker 4: else sort of made a statement, Sure are you condoning this?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Maybe after one person does it, yeah, maybe, so the
Speaker 1: whole thing gets it's crazy, the whole thing gets messed up.
Speaker 7: So I heard a story about another person who had
Speaker 7: been in this world that we're talking about, like the
Speaker 7: media world, who had been busted for some illegal stuff
Speaker 7: and got busted in part by the Laciact because he
Speaker 7: had brought, you know, an animal legally harvested across state lines,
Speaker 7: and that made it so much worse because of that.
Speaker 7: So now this person supposedly, whenever this person kills a
Speaker 7: deer in a certain state, even if he thinks he
Speaker 7: did everything by the book, he leaves that deer in
Speaker 7: that state for a minimum of five years to ensure
Speaker 7: that nothing else is like found out and dug up
Speaker 7: that he could get in trouble for if he were
Speaker 7: to transfer over state lines.
Speaker 1: Now he chose to do this or the judge said
Speaker 1: he had.
Speaker 2: To do this again. This is all secondhand. So okay, tell.
Speaker 4: You're saying when he leaves the deer, you're talking about
Speaker 4: the head. Yeah, so he like leaves it with the
Speaker 4: taxidermist and does not take it to his home for
Speaker 4: five years.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, that's a good way to get a deer
Speaker 3: back from a taxidermist in twenty years. If you're like, hey,
Speaker 3: don't worry about it, I'll pick it up in five years.
Speaker 4: I worry about You're the only guy that's actually going
Speaker 4: to get your tax durmy on time.
Speaker 1: Well, everybody loves a good poaching story. Why well I
Speaker 1: have all people because I actually don't my my buddies.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, what do you think? Come on, you do
Speaker 1: well the best, you're the best. Some of the highest
Speaker 1: listen to.
Speaker 7: Bear Greeks episodes of all time have been our poetry leaderes.
Speaker 1: And they're just interesting. They're they're they're human interest stories
Speaker 1: because the interest in this case, if I was sitting
Speaker 1: down with this guy, I would be like, why did
Speaker 1: you know? Why did you do this?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: What were you?
Speaker 1: Where were you after? Why did you think you'd get
Speaker 1: away with it? Did you steal stuff? When you were
Speaker 1: a kid, Did you tell the truth? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a.
Speaker 2: It's a human psychology fascination.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like a human interest story. And what
Speaker 1: you usually find out is that some of these guys
Speaker 1: aren't that much different than just the average guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's and it's sometimes a momentary lapse and judgment.
Speaker 1: It's usually a lifetime of lack of character. Honestly, when
Speaker 1: it's this egregious, I mean, you don't do this on accident,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean there and and and there's such
Speaker 1: a nuance to me inside of game violations. You know,
Speaker 1: there's some that are just clearly egregious. This is egregious.
Speaker 3: Like this guy, there's planning.
Speaker 1: He didn't kill it. Didn't do this on accident, Like
Speaker 1: he didn't accidentally kill it daring Kansas, thinking he was
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma.
Speaker 4: He had to you know, film a twenty two minute
Speaker 4: episode or whatever and continue this lie through the episode Alklahoma.
Speaker 5: Do you sail film it?
Speaker 4: No, he's with him.
Speaker 5: Well, he's got an accomplice.
Speaker 2: As far the film work, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Would you considered a film episode?
Speaker 6: Was the film? Does he do create content? It just
Speaker 6: filming because we're going to cover it up and we're
Speaker 6: going to say we're here.
Speaker 1: No, he was filming.
Speaker 3: So the FBI profile for serial killers is like you
Speaker 3: can overlap it with serial poachers. And they did that
Speaker 3: study with I want to say, like US Fish and
Speaker 3: Wildlife Service maybe just just to see a few years ago.
Speaker 3: And so that made the round quite a bit, I
Speaker 3: want to say, like five years ago. And it's been
Speaker 3: referenced a couple other times because there have been serial
Speaker 3: poachers that have one day just decided to kill somebody
Speaker 3: and they had the exact same reasoning as to why
Speaker 3: they shoot a handful of bucks at night every year
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, right, it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: just did it. So that's really interesting to think about
Speaker 3: on the poaching side of things. And then the guy
Speaker 3: that I would love for you to interview because I
Speaker 3: just I want to know the whole reason. Why is
Speaker 3: this dude? This is a big time case. It broke gosh,
Speaker 3: I want to say, about eighteen months ago, and then
Speaker 3: then the kind of the civil part of it just
Speaker 3: kind of wrapped up now. But this guy, uh Carl
Speaker 3: schlaughter I think.
Speaker 4: Is his name.
Speaker 3: He's a Southern Idaho dude, fuel Idaho area Burley Bule
Speaker 3: but like local farmer kid done super well for himself.
Speaker 3: Sits like, went to Lineman school, got on the board
Speaker 3: of a co op and then got on the board
Speaker 3: of this giant electrical company making tons of money and
Speaker 3: just a filthy poacher right and has all the cash
Speaker 3: to go wherever and do it all right, and free
Speaker 3: time and stuff, and gets like really into it to
Speaker 3: where he's like, wall, none of these poachers are really
Speaker 3: doing it at a pro level, and so he kind
Speaker 3: of sets up his own insider trading of illegal tags
Speaker 3: in Idaho. And that's at the point at which he
Speaker 3: got busted. But I mean he'd been observed for quite
Speaker 3: a while and the case was being put together. But
Speaker 3: that is guy I would love to sit down with
Speaker 3: or have you sit down with and just be like
Speaker 3: walk me through the decision because he was he was
Speaker 3: killing like his kids bull elk for him, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 6: Like, there's a guy in my town. I love this guy.
Speaker 6: Second old here we go. Just love this guy every
Speaker 6: time I see him at the story stop and talking
Speaker 6: to me. Drives around with like six dogs and gets
Speaker 6: a pack of ground beef and feeds him wrong ground
Speaker 6: beef and the truck and I love him, but he
Speaker 6: has a few poached lots and lots when he was
Speaker 6: growing up and in his adult and he tells me
Speaker 6: stories all.
Speaker 1: The time, is he but he does.
Speaker 6: No, he's I think he's like in his late seventies
Speaker 6: now and he does it. He lives in Alaska. But
Speaker 6: this one story about uh, you know, they'd watch him,
Speaker 6: they'd wait for him and at night, and he got
Speaker 6: so good at hiding the.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got so good.
Speaker 6: Said one time he put it in in a spare tire.
Speaker 6: It was in the back of his truck and then
Speaker 6: put the rim back and then the police were looking
Speaker 6: all over and they're like, we know you got one,
Speaker 6: and they couldn't find it and they're moving this tire
Speaker 6: around is so heavy, and he said when the guy retired,
Speaker 6: the law enforcement officer retired, he told them it was
Speaker 6: in that tire the whole time.
Speaker 5: Oh man, you'd like.
Speaker 6: To talk to this guy.
Speaker 4: What I thought it was interesting about the one that
Speaker 4: we started conversation with is that he's doing it for
Speaker 4: a show. And since all of us film some version
Speaker 4: of hunting catching, uh, you know your episode is going
Speaker 4: to be better when something dies to some extent right there.
Speaker 3: When you get the goal of the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, sometimes the hero doesn't, you know, get
Speaker 4: over that that home, but like that's a real pressure,
Speaker 4: right to come home with pressure.
Speaker 5: Pressure is one thing, but integert is is something else,
Speaker 5: and that that's going to win every show as far
Speaker 5: as I'm concerned, and y'all too. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 5: I'm telling no about the flood saying that to you guys,
Speaker 5: But it's just the the idea that a fella can
Speaker 5: anyone and put themselves in a place to feel the
Speaker 5: amount of pressure that the only way that they can
Speaker 5: do that is to have the hero shot with the
Speaker 5: dead animal. That's the only way that you can win.
Speaker 5: He's not out there for the same reasons I am
Speaker 5: for sure, or any of you folks.
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't. We didn't mention it that one
Speaker 1: of the deer was like one hundred and ninety something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's different in that case. Oklahoma Tates.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, when I was I was feeling, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm new at this and we're filming, was we're hunting
Speaker 6: up in Alaska, was like, do you show the missus?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's okay. I just watched a little preview
Speaker 6: with my first episode. I go, you to show me
Speaker 6: missing five times in a row, like, are gonna show
Speaker 6: me beginning? They're like, oh, you're missing because it's far
Speaker 6: you can't tell. I was like watching it like circles,
Speaker 6: so it's real, it's part of it, and it is,
Speaker 6: you know, every time I see one of those things.
Speaker 3: I in all.
Speaker 1: Honestly, the reason I was paranoid about Brent just a
Speaker 1: little bit when I first met him was because I
Speaker 1: was I had just stepped into the hunting industry that
Speaker 1: not full time, just was like writing some stuff and
Speaker 1: and uh, and I've told the story so many times
Speaker 1: I won't believe it, but but we really grew my dad.
Speaker 1: Actually I didn't didn't realize this would be abnormal, But
Speaker 1: my dad actually really taught us to follow the law.
Speaker 1: I mean, like we didn't get it's not I don't think, well, okay,
Speaker 1: he took it. He took it unusually serious for everybody
Speaker 1: that I knew for real, just like letter of the
Speaker 1: law kind of stuff. So I grew up with that
Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit of paranoia because of that.
Speaker 1: And then uh, just when I got into the hunting industry.
Speaker 1: You know, I envisioned, well, what if I just made
Speaker 1: a mistake, you know, and this and this, this thing
Speaker 1: is over and and uh so I always I don't
Speaker 1: I don't have people maybe have accused me of being
Speaker 1: empathetic sympathetic towards poachers because of some of the stuff
Speaker 1: that we've done on bear grease. And uh I was
Speaker 1: going to tell you any candidate of a bear grease
Speaker 1: story they've got, he's got to be redemption in the arc.
Speaker 1: So this guy, this guy in Idaho, like know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to give him any press if he's kind
Speaker 1: of still a dirt ball.
Speaker 3: Well you know what I mean, that's the yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean it's very well could be.
Speaker 4: I just don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm dying to know. Like the psychological reason, it's like
Speaker 3: you could have gone. I mean, he's wealthy enough to
Speaker 3: where he could go anywhere outside of the interstate compact
Speaker 3: and continue to hunt and and be just and do
Speaker 3: as much as he wants, just not close to home, right,
Speaker 3: But it's just like I'm just dying to know, Like.
Speaker 6: What, yeah, what why poached?
Speaker 1: Oh you did?
Speaker 4: A little.
Speaker 6: Dad cancer sick and they were starving.
Speaker 1: Poor m That's what started it, but he kind of
Speaker 1: kept on.
Speaker 6: No, he said, the I'll call it a warden. That's
Speaker 6: what we call it. He said, during that time, his
Speaker 6: dad is going sick, he said, the the guy who's
Speaker 6: always after him. He's like, i'll see you later. Like
Speaker 6: it's kind of like a nod to I'm gonna look
Speaker 6: the other way because they know you all are struggling.
Speaker 6: But then he kept on after and then I think
Speaker 6: it was I don't know if it's a dopamine thing
Speaker 6: or what your rush, you know when you do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, interesting, Yeah, well the white the white tell
Speaker 1: stories are always wild, and you know, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my I don't really have a conclusion. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about I just wanted to talk about conclusion.
Speaker 4: You know his quote, you know, big deer make people
Speaker 4: do stupid stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 6: Just say I love you, buddy. Good night.
Speaker 1: That's how we're going to close off the episode. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's been fun. It's been fun having everybody on here.
Speaker 1: It's been a fun conversation.
Speaker 3: And uh, burst ever crackling.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to call it if we do that,
Speaker 1: If we use that name for the third rendition of
Speaker 1: the Bear, you know, the bear Grease podcast feeds getting
Speaker 1: really complicated. We got the bear Grease Proper, which is
Speaker 1: our documentary style episode. We got the bear Grease Render,
Speaker 1: which is us sitting around talking about the bear Grease Proper.
Speaker 1: We got Brents this country life podcast. And now we
Speaker 1: have Lake Pickles back Backwoods University. There's a lot going
Speaker 1: on there, so uh and then now we're gonna have
Speaker 1: the bear Grease Crackling.
Speaker 6: Do you eat the cracklings?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, like seal. Weat seal crispya we call it Chrispy.
Speaker 1: I usually use them as dog treats.
Speaker 6: Nice.
Speaker 3: You can put salt or sugar or all.
Speaker 1: Right, thank you guys. Why don't you wish him good night?
Speaker 5: Good night, Thank y'all for listening to bear Grease Crackling,
Speaker 5: And like I always say to my friends, good night buddy,