WEBVTT - Ep. 354: Special Episode - Bozeman Unplugged 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:06.920 So this is a special episode for the bear Gas 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:10.360 podcast you are. In case you didn't know, there's a 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:12.640 podcast out there that's called bear Grease and we do 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:17.159 a documentary style podcast every other week and then in 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:19.920 between weeks we do a bear render. So you might 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:22.279 be confused when you see this and think it's a 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.240 bear grish render, but it's not. This is a special 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:31.479 episode of bear Grease proper. No, Mark No, That's the 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:32.640 reason I targeted you. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:33.200 Thank you. 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:35.320 I can see it in people's eyes when they think 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:45.479 it's theres going on, that's not going title coming. That's 0:00:45.520 --> 0:01:04.520 a good marketing idea. This is really fun for me 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:08.800 because I've got a good portion of the Meat Eater 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.920 team here, and I think there's probably a lot of 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.959 beggars people that would know who you guys were, but 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:19.199 there's some portion of them that wouldn't. But from right 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.080 to left, we've got Ryan o'call callahan. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.560 Good to see you, good seeing you. Yeah, yeah, you 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:30.040 know it's like old like old cow, yeah right, you 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:31.400 kind of said it. You kind of said it like 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.360 uh yeah, like an Irish type of or a Scottish 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:36.720 type of surname type of deal. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.399 But okay, oh see I always did think that it 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.120 was all without the d cow. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:46.320 When I was going to college. During my short experience 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.120 with college, uh huh, I had a bunch of friends 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:54.560 who didn't have jobs and stuff like that, and I 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.920 had a lot of worldly wisdom from outside of college. 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:04.760 And so they're like old Cow, it's too much of 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:05.200 their dad. 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:06.320 Look at this. 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:11.399 Something new, oh cow? 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:15.400 Okay, Ryan Callahan and then Heather Deville a K. 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.919 Moosey, Hi, glad to be here. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:19.480 Tell tell everybody where you're from. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:24.200 I live in Craig on Prince of Wales Island, Craig, Alaska. 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:25.320 That is cool. 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:25.760 Yeah. 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.480 Now, Heather, I've got to make claim. I think I 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.680 was the first person for me to that reached out 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:37.440 to you. Can can can that be disputed because I 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:42.200 I yes, you were. I shared one of your your 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:46.680 your your your backpack technique for deer because I have 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.520 a deal that was taught to me by James Lawrence 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.239 called he called it shock pouch in a deer, where 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.240 you cut the legs out of the deer and tights 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:58.200 legs together. And for a decade I'd search trying to 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.799 find the source of that or if anybody that ever 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:03.960 did it, and you were the first person that I 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.680 saw that, and it was it was the way that 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.160 you do it is different, but it's still like the 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:13.359 same idea. I shared your deal and then you were like, hey, 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:14.120 thanks for sharing. 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.639 Because every time I share, we call it the Slingkett backpack. 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:23.919 So it's a traditional backpack passed down through my culture. 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.760 People tell me it's the clay. So that's why I went. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.960 When I posted it and shared it recently, I said, 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:36.440 this is not the Clay. Set the record straight. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.800 No, I never took credit for that at all. But uh, man, 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.360 if you if you haven't seen Heather on the meeting 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.280 your main channel, she's doing a bunch of cool stuff 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.560 with sea Otters. She's the she's the sea Otter girl. 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:52.880 I've heard, yeah the older lady people. 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:53.960 Are you for lady? 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:54.400 Yes? 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.000 Yeah, answer to that. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:56.840 Cool. 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:00.520 Then we got old Brent Reeds. The only see Brent 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.200 when I come to Montana anymore. I'm not sure what's 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.360 happening in our relationship, but uh, that's why we've brought 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:06.720 you here. 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.160 I heard you don't have any good dogs and he 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:10.640 won't have you. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.440 You didn't hear that from me, but you could have 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:13.440 heard it from anybody. 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.279 Yeah, well, I mean I don't have any coon dogs 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.000 at all right now. I haven't had for two years, 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.200 so he would be right now. I do have. I've squirrelled. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:24.640 He's got some up and comers. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.880 I do have a I do have showing a young 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:31.279 plot ount. That's how many dogs right now? I've got 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:32.159 five dogs right now? 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:32.760 Dogs? 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:34.200 Five dogs, four kids. 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:35.040 How many mules now? 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.919 Two mules, two meals, one wife and a good one 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:43.040 thank goodness. Anything else in the on the property. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:47.640 Chickens, chickens, chickens. Got got a pretty good spread of chickens. 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.560 So you have a lot of responsibility, you know. Does 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:53.520 that ever keep you up at night? 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:53.920 Oh? 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:58.080 Yeah, man, heyst When I was a kid. When I 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.760 was a kid, we had I had dogs, and when 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.000 they would bark at night, some you know, imprinted memories 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.680 on my life. Cal were my dad busting into my 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.640 room in the middle of the night. Make your dogs 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.000 shut up, you know, because it's keeping them up. So 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.320 I walk outside and you know, do whatever I got 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.599 to do to get this dog to shut up. Every 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.159 single night, whether it was a decade or two where 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.320 I didn't have dogs. When we were raising our kids, 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.279 we just couldn't change diapers and have dogs, so we 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.320 didn't have dogs when the kids were little. I slept 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:30.200 better then than I think I do now because every 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:35.520 single moment you're thinking, are the mules getting out? Is 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:40.119 my dog? Like baying someone's cow right now? 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:41.720 Stuff like that? 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.800 It yeah, yeah, stressful, so but it's it's it's worth it. 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.839 You learned to deal with the stress. So Brent, good 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:50.400 to have you, brother. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:50.719 Thanks. 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.320 Yep uh y'a honest would tell us the Latvian eagle 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.760 been on our hearts heavy the last several months because 0:05:58.760 --> 0:05:59.839 of your hundred mile race. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:00.200 Hm. 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.120 Hmmm, We're gonna come back to that. But everybody knows, 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:07.680 Jannis have you ever? Have you been on Bargrease before? Never? Before? Well, 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.560 I'm glad, wow that really. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:12.960 I don't think why don't you like him? 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.920 I love Jannis. I feel everybody knows I love you. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:17.560 That's wild. 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:19.920 When I'm around Yannis, I just follow him around and 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.840 ask him what we're gonna do next. That's pretty much 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.880 what I do, right Yannis, anywhere we go? You said that, 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.240 and then Mark Kenyon, who Mark's been on here a 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.640 couple of times. Yeah, but uh, Mark, Mark is our 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:34.520 white tail. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.680 What's more surprising that you haven't been or that I 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:38.120 have been? 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.800 Now instead of me being like not been on once 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:46.719 at all, you've been on twice. So there's the disparities 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:47.080 it is. 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.640 Uh, Well, Mark has been to my house and we 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.359 podcast a couple of years ago when you hunted in 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.919 my neck of the woods in parents house even yep, yep, 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.240 you stayed at the Believer's house and Juju's house yup. 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.440 So uh but Mark, Mark has wired to hunt, which 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.359 is our white tail sector. Now Tony's not here, he 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.840 couldn't be here. But Tony's your Tony's your buddy, Tony Peterson. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:17.640 Tony is my little buddy. He does some good stuff, 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:18.760 does some very good stuff. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:23.200 Yeah, so okay, here's what we're gonna do. I kind 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:27.080 of want to like, uh, I want to go around 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.119 and I kind of want to tell what everybody does. 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.160 Mark is writing a you're writing a book. Can can 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:39.200 we tell people that Mark is deep into his second book? 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.240 First book was That Wild Country And now you're you're 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.400 deep in the second book that you just submitted to 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.760 the publisher. And what's the bout wins it gonna come out? 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:49.160 Uh? 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.720 The book is about the current state and threats to 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.360 fish and wildlife across America. I guess you could say 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.640 the past president and future of fish and wildlife in 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:02.240 America floored through the lens of a hunter and angler, 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.640 so kind of hunter and angler take on what's going 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.320 on with critters out there right now follows me in 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.480 a bunch of hunting and fishing trips across the nation 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:14.280 as I'm meeting with researchers and conservationists and hunters and 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.560 anglers and business owners and all sorts of different people 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.200 that have some kind of connection to fish and wildlife. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:24.920 And that book comes out probably late summer next year, 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:30.000 twenty six. Right now, the working title is wild Lives 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:32.720 that could be changed right now. 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:33.760 That's what we're working with. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:38.000 Is does ever stretch you out that when people say, 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.240 do you feel like you have to have like a 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.960 super concise answer about what your book's about, like the 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.880 like the like the secondary one liner? Yeah, what's your 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:48.920 one liner? What's your book's about? 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.040 The one liner has to change a little bit based 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.280 on the audience, Like that, if it's someone who pays 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:58.000 attention to like environmental and conservation kind of stuff, I 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.800 would say, like it's an exploration of the biodiversity crisis 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.520 from a hunter angler perspective. 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:04.480 Okay, I like that. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:06.440 If it was like a little more of like a 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.800 general audience, I might use the subtitle like the past 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:13.559 President Future of Fish and Wildlife in America, keeping a 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.640 little more high level, because the biodiversity crisis maybe isn't 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:18.960 something that every person recognizes. 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:21.720 But that's that's what I'm working with right now. 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:22.800 Okay, I like it. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.079 Just come along, come along? 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:24.760 Yeah? 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:26.520 Do you get to just go do the fun stuff 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.319 and then chat GPT just take. 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:28.880 Care of the rest? 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.840 I wish No, that chat GTP is not quite up 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.360 to snuff, I'd say so. I actually think the fun 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.960 stuff is the writing. I enjoy the process. It is 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.240 sometimes like beating your head against like a brick wall. 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.360 I'm sure you've been experiencing this too, but but it 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.439 is also like the magic when stuff comes together, when 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:55.880 you finally are able to I think writing is the 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.040 the kind of the the final touches of a clarifying 0:09:59.080 --> 0:09:59.560 your thinking. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.640 By forcing yourself to write, you have to clarify. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.200 Your thinking on something, and so it forces you to 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.439 really really ponder things, organize your thoughts, and really come 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.080 to real conclusions about how you feel about the world 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.400 or when you think about a situation, and so going 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.839 through that process and then figuring out yourself and then 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.640 figuring out how to put words to a feeling or 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.760 an experience or a concept in such a way that 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.320 anyone else could pick it up be like, oh, yes, 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.480 that's like a magical thing when those pieces click together. 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:30.800 Yeah, I really enjoy that. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.680 Yeah, I think it's a it's a powerful exercise that 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.760 if I mean, you know, not everybody writes, but it 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:43.040 really is a powerfully clarifying exercise to really hone in 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:47.840 what you're thinking. Mark is a copious reader, but cal 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.840 does that when you see all the books that he reads. 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.160 Oh yeah, what do you think he's bulling through him? 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:52.440 For sure? 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:53.600 I mean do you are you? 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:55.080 Are you? 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.200 Well, you may read more books than him, and you 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.400 just don't put it on the internet. But oh when 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.280 you see him, are you like, man, I gotta read more, 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.400 or man, I'm glad he does that, or dang, I 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.559 would never do that, Like how do you? 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.800 Oh, you know, I think we all go through different 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.959 phases of life. There's a time where people would make 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.640 fun of me because in every room of my little 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.679 ramshackle apartments or houses that I lived in, I'd have 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.240 two or three open books, ok. And I was just 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:29.520 constantly a little add you know, picking up things and 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:34.079 putting them down. And I haven't read covered cover of 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:38.240 book in at least a year right now? Yeah, yeah, 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:42.320 which is is just would be highly abnormal from a 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.000 decade ago. Yeah, but this decade's a lot different than 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:46.800 the previous one. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:47.400 I get it. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:48.000 I get it. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:48.599 What do you what? 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.400 What happens when you see Mark's giant bookstacks of all 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:52.959 the books he read like this month? 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:54.319 I'm impressed? 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:56.280 Does it make you want to read? 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:56.920 Or yes? 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:57.600 It does? 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:58.120 Yeah? 0:11:58.200 --> 0:11:59.240 Yeah yeah. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.199 This poor guy had listening to me talk about books 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:01.920 the entire time. 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:02.560 I ran with him. 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.920 Oh yeah, that's right to honest is Miles Rice. 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:07.000 I got to make one. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:11.000 Other comment about how little you read, Clay, Oh okay, yeah, 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:15.040 because h So, I finished writing the first official manuscript 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:16.880 of my book this dude June first. 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.440 I send it to the publisher and the editor on 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:20.560 a Friday. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.120 And I think I know where this is going. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.319 It was such an amazing feeling to ship it out, 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.160 like it's like giving birth to a baby. I mean 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.520 I don't know what that's actually like, but I'm assuming 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:31.319 it's something like that. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:32.640 It's a huge like relief. 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:36.480 This thing's you know, first phase out there. And I 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.560 immediately like, all right, I need to go for a 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.400 run and like just kind of burn off the energy, 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:42.920 feel good, kind of celebrate. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:44.360 So I go for a. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:50.560 Run and Clay text me as I'm running and I 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.839 happen to feel buzz or whatever, look at the phone 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.680 as I'm on my run, just like full of joy. 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.400 And he's like, hey, man, will you send me the 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:00.439 first chapter of your book? I'd love to read it? 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.040 And I'm like, in such a great mo I'm like, heck, yeah, buddy, 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:04.960 better than that, I'll send the entire book. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:06.160 Clay's my best friend. 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:08.040 Like, I'll send you the first chapter, but here's the 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:09.640 whole man, you read whatever you want, if you have. 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.480 Any feedback or thoughts, would love to hear it. He said, great, 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.760 So I send it within like minutes. So that was 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:17.520 six months. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:21.840 Ago or whatever. No, not six months, a few months ago, Okay. 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.600 Me and Clay see each other two days ago. I'm like, Clay, 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.120 what do you think, Like, I haven't got to read 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:28.800 a bit of it. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.480 Yeah, I felt really bad when I saw Mark because 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.680 in the in the moment, I was very like, if 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:38.880 I had this right this second, I would read it. 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.160 And then he sent it and then it just like 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:46.040 quickly just got lost. So I look forward to reading 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.640 your book. Mark. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:49.480 Now. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:54.280 I I'm first time bothman, first time meeting y'all in person, 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.320 and one of the first things I say to him 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.559 is I don't read. And he goes, you don't read. 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:05.640 Like that that is the best impression of Mark ever. 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:07.280 You don't read. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.679 And I'm like, no, never, And now this is all 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:11.959 I'm tracking all day. 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:13.480 This is this is our author here. 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:14.960 Don't feel bad our author. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.480 Yes, but I think you kind of shot yourself in 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:23.040 the foot, which which was a chapter is like manageable. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.400 He was asking for just a taste. Yeah, that was 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.400 the time for just a taste, and you were like, well, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:28.320 here's the whole pie. 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:33.520 Got intimidated your way. Yeah, you'll like it better when 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:34.680 you see the real You know. 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.320 What I'm looking forward to is the first line. Yeah, 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:39.240 the first sentence? 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:40.560 What is the first sentence? 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:41.160 A quote? 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:45.360 Just no, not the quote just I'm I'm kind of 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.720 looking at books and seeing what the first sentences because ye. 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.920 About this and our entire mediator career. 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.400 It's your first that's the barometer for how the whole 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:56.960 thing is going. 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.680 To Well, there's just a lot of ways to do it. 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.000 I mean like some authors are just like you can 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.040 see the first sentence isn't this sacred thing. It's just like, 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:09.120 let's let's talk about this. Some authors the first sentence 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:12.400 is a sacred sentence and it just has to have 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:13.440 like a lot which. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.520 Used to always share about the man. 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.800 Yeah, so one of the ones that always sticks in 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.880 my mind is the man in black fled across the 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.000 desert and the gun slinger followed. 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:30.760 That Stephen Kings the Dark Tower exactly, Yeah, that's nice. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.520 The man in black fled across the desert and the 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.280 gun slinger followed. And you know you're like, oh. 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:45.400 And it was Johnny cash. 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:48.600 And in black. Well, so, uh so, Jannis just ran 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.920 one hundred miles. How do you feel you're well, let 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.680 me just say Joannis ran that less than a week 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.360 ago on Saturday. When I when I saw Jannis for 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.760 the first time this week, he informed me that he 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:02.840 was still in a little bit of a brain fog 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.280 because I saw you on Tuesday you ran it on 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.680 on Friday, so you know, four days before so and uh. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.680 There should be some clarifying though. Is like one hundred 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.720 miles is a long way for sure, but there's a 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.080 lot of routes to go. One hundred miles is through 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:25.880 the crazy mountains in Montana and there's a big elevation 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.920 changes in there is one thing. 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.360 But it's one of the toughest hundred miles in the country. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.760 It sounds like the footing the whole way was just 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.160 very unpleasant, isn't isn't a place that you would go 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.440 to just have an enjoyable run. 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:42.840 Might right that there was twenty three thousand feet of game. 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:48.160 Yeah that is not quite Everest, but close. 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.000 Yeah? 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.240 Man, you know yeah, how do you feel? You're honest? 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.560 I actually feel pretty good. Yeah, all in all, I've 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.600 got some sore toes. Brant called me last night before 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.480 I went to had to check in on my little toes. 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:04.119 We'll be talking about that. 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.120 Yeah, tell us what you had to do. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.520 But yeah, I'm gonna lose some toenails over the whole thing, 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:16.359 But overall, I feel pretty good. Proud of the effort. Obviously, 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:16.920 you know. 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.080 You spent I mean really it's you don't really prepare 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.359 for a race like this in months. It's more like 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:25.439 years for sure. 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.959 Yeah, now I've been built. I think about five or 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.840 six years ago I ran my first mountain sort of 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.359 trail run race. Actually that's not true. I ran one 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.240 back in Vail long time ago, but once since I 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.520 moved to Montana. We have a great community race here 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.320 in Bozeman called the Bridger Ridge Run, and it basically 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.040 runs from Fairy Lake up in the bridges, down the 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.359 ridge the spine of the bridges all the way down 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.120 to the m the College m which is a very 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:58.879 popular trailhead. It's like nineteen ish miles maybe twenty something 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:02.320 in there. And once I did that, I just our 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.520 buddy Rick Smith used to do this race called the Rut, 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:07.320 and so I was like, oh, I can do the Rut. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.159 So I did thirty k which is about or fifty k, 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.280 and that was thirty one miles. Then once I did 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.920 that distance, I thought, oh, maybe I could do fifty miles. 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.840 So I did a fifty mileer and then I made 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.320 the leap to one hundred. I think I should have 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.840 went to like a sixty five, and then the one 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.040 hundred at least I had that thought when I was 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:28.760 at sixty five. 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.520 It's what's so wild about somebody running one hundred mile race? 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:37.360 Is it? It feels impossible? I mean, and I run 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:41.360 a little bit, Like I don't promote it, but I do. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.679 I run a little bit, and so I know what 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.679 it's like to run ten miles and to think of 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.159 running one hundred miles. This seems wild. Now, Mark, you're 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.280 a runner, can you envision what it would take to 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.960 run one hundred miles? Or is it like otherworldly? 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.240 I've read, Man, I'm such a character of myself. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:04.080 But I've read a lot about it, and you know, 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.320 I've ran a pretty what I thought was a pretty 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:08.679 hard like Mountain Trail race, just a thirty k, but 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.200 nothing on the scale of him. Yes, so I can 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.560 imagine a bunch of the things, but I'm sure that 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.760 my imagination is nowhere near. 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:20.119 The actual reality. But it appeals to me like it 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.480 does feel like a thing like someday. Yeah, probably, I'd 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.320 like to see if I could do it. Yeah. 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.200 Well, I'm very honest told me, and I probably had 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.000