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Speaker 1: So this is a special episode for the bear Gas

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Speaker 1: podcast out there that's called bear Grease and we do

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Speaker 1: a documentary style podcast every other week and then in

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Speaker 1: between weeks we do a bear render. So you might

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Speaker 1: be confused when you see this and think it's a

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Speaker 1: bear grish render, but it's not. This is a special

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Speaker 1: episode of bear Grease proper. No, Mark No, That's the

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Speaker 1: reason I targeted you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I can see it in people's eyes when they think

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Speaker 1: it's theres going on, that's not going title coming. That's

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Speaker 1: a good marketing idea. This is really fun for me

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Speaker 1: because I've got a good portion of the Meat Eater

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Speaker 1: beggars people that would know who you guys were, but

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Speaker 1: there's some portion of them that wouldn't. But from right

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Speaker 1: to left, we've got Ryan o'call callahan.

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Speaker 3: Good to see you, good seeing you. Yeah, yeah, you

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Speaker 3: know it's like old like old cow, yeah right, you

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Speaker 3: kind of said it. You kind of said it like

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Speaker 3: uh yeah, like an Irish type of or a Scottish

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Speaker 4: But okay, oh see I always did think that it

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Speaker 3: When I was going to college. During my short experience

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Speaker 3: And so they're like old Cow, it's too much of

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Speaker 5: Look at this.

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Speaker 2: Something new, oh cow?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Ryan Callahan and then Heather Deville a K.

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Speaker 6: Moosey, Hi, glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: Tell tell everybody where you're from.

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Speaker 6: I live in Craig on Prince of Wales Island, Craig, Alaska.

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Speaker 1: That is cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, Heather, I've got to make claim. I think I

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Speaker 1: was the first person for me to that reached out

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Speaker 1: to you. Can can can that be disputed because I

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Speaker 1: I yes, you were. I shared one of your your

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Speaker 1: your your your backpack technique for deer because I have

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Speaker 1: a deal that was taught to me by James Lawrence

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Speaker 1: called he called it shock pouch in a deer, where

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Speaker 1: you cut the legs out of the deer and tights

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Speaker 1: legs together. And for a decade I'd search trying to

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Speaker 1: saw that, and it was it was the way that

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Speaker 1: you do it is different, but it's still like the

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Speaker 1: same idea. I shared your deal and then you were like, hey,

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Speaker 6: Because every time I share, we call it the Slingkett backpack.

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Speaker 6: So it's a traditional backpack passed down through my culture.

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Speaker 6: People tell me it's the clay. So that's why I went.

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Speaker 6: When I posted it and shared it recently, I said,

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Speaker 6: this is not the Clay. Set the record straight.

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Speaker 1: No, I never took credit for that at all. But uh, man,

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Speaker 1: if you if you haven't seen Heather on the meeting

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Speaker 1: your main channel, she's doing a bunch of cool stuff

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Speaker 1: with sea Otters. She's the she's the sea Otter girl.

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Speaker 1: I've heard, yeah the older lady people.

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Speaker 6: Are you for lady?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, answer to that.

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Speaker 5: Cool.

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Speaker 1: Then we got old Brent Reeds. The only see Brent

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Speaker 1: when I come to Montana anymore. I'm not sure what's

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Speaker 1: happening in our relationship, but uh, that's why we've brought

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Speaker 4: I heard you don't have any good dogs and he

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Speaker 5: You didn't hear that from me, but you could have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I don't have any coon dogs

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Speaker 5: He's got some up and comers.

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Speaker 1: I do have a I do have showing a young

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Speaker 1: plot ount. That's how many dogs right now? I've got

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Speaker 5: Dogs?

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Speaker 2: Five dogs, four kids.

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Speaker 4: How many mules now?

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Speaker 2: Two mules, two meals, one wife and a good one

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Speaker 1: Chickens, chickens, chickens. Got got a pretty good spread of chickens.

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Speaker 2: So you have a lot of responsibility, you know. Does

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, heyst When I was a kid. When I

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Speaker 1: on my life. Cal were my dad busting into my

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Speaker 1: my dog? Like baying someone's cow right now?

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Speaker 2: Stuff like that?

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Speaker 1: It yeah, yeah, stressful, so but it's it's it's worth it.

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Speaker 1: You learned to deal with the stress. So Brent, good

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Speaker 1: to have you, brother.

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Speaker 1: Yep uh y'a honest would tell us the Latvian eagle

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Speaker 1: been on our hearts heavy the last several months because

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Speaker 1: of your hundred mile race.

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Speaker 1: Hmmm, We're gonna come back to that. But everybody knows,

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Speaker 1: Jannis have you ever? Have you been on Bargrease before? Never? Before? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad, wow that really.

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Speaker 2: I don't think why don't you like him?

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Speaker 1: I love Jannis. I feel everybody knows I love you.

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Speaker 2: That's wild.

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Speaker 1: When I'm around Yannis, I just follow him around and

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Speaker 1: ask him what we're gonna do next. That's pretty much

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Speaker 1: what I do, right Yannis, anywhere we go? You said that,

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Speaker 1: and then Mark Kenyon, who Mark's been on here a

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Speaker 2: What's more surprising that you haven't been or that I

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Speaker 4: Now instead of me being like not been on once

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Speaker 1: Uh, Well, Mark has been to my house and we

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Speaker 1: you stayed at the Believer's house and Juju's house yup.

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Speaker 1: So uh but Mark, Mark has wired to hunt, which

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Speaker 1: is our white tail sector. Now Tony's not here, he

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Speaker 1: couldn't be here. But Tony's your Tony's your buddy, Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 7: Tony is my little buddy. He does some good stuff,

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Speaker 7: does some very good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, here's what we're gonna do. I kind

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Speaker 1: of want to like, uh, I want to go around

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Speaker 1: and I kind of want to tell what everybody does.

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Speaker 1: Mark is writing a you're writing a book. Can can

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Speaker 1: we tell people that Mark is deep into his second book?

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Speaker 1: First book was That Wild Country And now you're you're

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Speaker 1: the publisher. And what's the bout wins it gonna come out?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 7: The book is about the current state and threats to

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Speaker 7: fish and wildlife across America. I guess you could say

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Speaker 7: the past president and future of fish and wildlife in

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Speaker 7: America floored through the lens of a hunter and angler,

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Speaker 7: so kind of hunter and angler take on what's going

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Speaker 7: on with critters out there right now follows me in

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Speaker 7: a bunch of hunting and fishing trips across the nation

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Speaker 7: as I'm meeting with researchers and conservationists and hunters and

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Speaker 7: And that book comes out probably late summer next year,

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Speaker 7: twenty six. Right now, the working title is wild Lives

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Speaker 7: that could be changed right now.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're working with.

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Speaker 1: Is does ever stretch you out that when people say,

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Speaker 1: do you feel like you have to have like a

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Speaker 1: like the like the secondary one liner? Yeah, what's your

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Speaker 7: The one liner has to change a little bit based

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Speaker 7: on the audience, Like that, if it's someone who pays

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Speaker 7: attention to like environmental and conservation kind of stuff, I

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Speaker 7: would say, like it's an exploration of the biodiversity crisis

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Speaker 7: If it was like a little more of like a

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Speaker 7: President Future of Fish and Wildlife in America, keeping a

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Speaker 7: little more high level, because the biodiversity crisis maybe isn't

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Speaker 2: But that's that's what I'm working with right now.

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Speaker 2: Just come along, come along?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Do you get to just go do the fun stuff

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Speaker 3: and then chat GPT just take.

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Speaker 4: Care of the rest?

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Speaker 7: I wish No, that chat GTP is not quite up

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Speaker 7: to snuff, I'd say so. I actually think the fun

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Speaker 7: I'm sure you've been experiencing this too, but but it

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Speaker 2: By forcing yourself to write, you have to clarify.

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Speaker 7: anyone else could pick it up be like, oh, yes,

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Speaker 7: that's like a magical thing when those pieces click together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a it's a powerful exercise that

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Speaker 1: if I mean, you know, not everybody writes, but it

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Speaker 1: really is a powerfully clarifying exercise to really hone in

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Speaker 1: what you're thinking. Mark is a copious reader, but cal

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Speaker 1: does that when you see all the books that he reads.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what do you think he's bulling through him?

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Speaker 3: For sure?

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Speaker 1: I mean do you are you?

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Speaker 1: Well, you may read more books than him, and you

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Speaker 1: Just no, not the quote just I'm I'm kind of

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Speaker 4: About this and our entire mediator career.

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Speaker 4: Well no, I mean some people do it without sleep,

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Speaker 4: one foot in front of the other. Well, that gets

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Speaker 4: really hard.

448
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Speaker 5: How many steps?

449
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Speaker 4: When my watch quit it died, it ran out of battery.

450
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Speaker 4: At about thirty hours. I was at ninety miles. I

451
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Speaker 4: was at like one hundred and ten thousand steps.

452
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Speaker 2: WHOA, you are an inspiration. I then like a serious

453
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Speaker 2: I think, do.

454
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Speaker 3: You how would how would your brain have functioned if

455
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Speaker 3: you wouldn't have had pacers?

456
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Speaker 4: Oh? How critical was was that? I guess like mission critical? Yeah,

457
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 4: I for the first one. I don't know if I

458
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Speaker 4: would have finished without the pacers, especially my one good buddy,

459
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Speaker 4: Stephen Brucker, because everybody else, even though they're great people,

460
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Speaker 4: positive people like Mark right here right, they didn't have

461
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Speaker 4: the experience of dealing with somebody that's just like in

462
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Speaker 4: the dumps and you know, low on energy, low on fuel,

463
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Speaker 4: and then how to manage that situation?

464
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Speaker 1: Or what did he do?

465
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Speaker 4: Huh? What did Mark do? Or what did Steven do?

466
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 3: Well?

467
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Speaker 1: I mean this guy that you said, well, just like.

468
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Speaker 4: Staying on top of the hydration and the fueling and

469
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Speaker 4: and and and just the constant pushing and pulling and

470
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Speaker 4: NonStop positive positive even has.

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Speaker 7: Ran several hundred himself. It was like speaking to Ya's

472
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Speaker 7: some personal experience, yeah.

473
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Speaker 4: But constantly being like, hey man, we're moving, You're looking great,

474
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Speaker 4: Let's keep going. You know, It's never like he's not like,

475
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 4: do you look like shit? That's what I tried with.

476
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 4: That's definitely you're like a ghost of yourself right now.

477
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Speaker 1: Wow. Well, you know when I hear about people run

478
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Speaker 1: one hundred miles and then even running two hundred and

479
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Speaker 1: fifty miles, it puts in perspectives some of these ancient

480
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Speaker 1: human migrations that just seem implausible. I mean, for instance,

481
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Speaker 1: and we don't have the details of all this stuff.

482
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Speaker 1: I mean it's like prehistory. But like you know, the

483
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Speaker 1: people that went down into South America from presumably coming

484
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Speaker 1: through Alaska on foot without modern technologies, clacking rocks together

485
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Speaker 1: to make fire, and like you just think that is

486
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Speaker 1: an impossible journey, It couldn't be done. And then but

487
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Speaker 1: they did it. I mean there were people down there

488
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Speaker 1: that were connected to the people up here, you know,

489
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Speaker 1: and you think maybe it wasn't that big of a deal,

490
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: and not that they did it all at once, but

491
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Speaker 1: just like this, this the mobility of a human is

492
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Speaker 1: pretty durn unique and and you see it in these today.

493
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Speaker 1: What are extremes of guys like you, honest that are

494
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Speaker 1: run one hundred miles?

495
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Speaker 3: Do you think like the amount of calories that Yannis

496
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Speaker 3: probably put down just prior to like twenty four hours

497
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Speaker 3: ahead of time, then through the race, and then let's

498
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Speaker 3: say twenty four hours after, Like what would be the

499
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Speaker 3: caloric naturally found food caloric equivalent if you had to

500
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Speaker 3: source it yourself at any like right, because there's a

501
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 3: serious cost associated with that part too, burning calories to

502
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Speaker 3: get those calories.

503
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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, so.

504
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Speaker 1: Probably cracking open bones for bone marrow and eating knees

505
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Speaker 1: and yeah.

506
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know where you'd get the high sugar

507
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 4: content stuff because that's what I feel like it is,

508
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 4: like all the sugar. Well, when you're drinking these carb

509
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 4: drink mixes, it's basically sugar. So you're like a humming bird,

510
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 4: you know, you're just eating drinking sugar water, you know, the.

511
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Speaker 1: Whole one straight to energy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, uh so I don't know what you do

513
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 4: that if you had to just gather that in the woods.

514
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, berries well uh and again in way of introduction,

515
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: Mark is a white tail hunter, that's his main thing.

516
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: Fly fisherman too, You're honest, I would say, is an

517
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Speaker 1: elk hunter, and uh, in the last five or six

518
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: years a houndsman. But all these things that you're doing

519
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: kind of translate in your mind to being able to

520
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Speaker 1: do what you need to do in the mountains. That's

521
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Speaker 1: right here. You talk about when you talk about fitnesses

522
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Speaker 1: just having longevity, So when you're seventy being able to

523
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Speaker 1: climb a mountain, that's right.

524
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Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, I want to hunt at seventy.

525
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Speaker 1: All right, Okay, Brent Reeves and and Heather, you guys trouble, troubled, trouble.

526
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: I had nothing to do with this. Uh, tell me

527
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: about what happened last night with Brent and Cal.

528
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Heather, Okay, well, get done with dinner. And

529
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 6: I said, hey, hey, Brent, I needed to call Steve

530
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 6: and tell him you love him. And that's your medication

531
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 6: worn off. I'm not doing that. I want to keep

532
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Speaker 6: my job. So we settled on Cal.

533
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: You were you were the second string, you know, like

534
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: recipient of this joke.

535
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 3: Now there is some discount, Steve.

536
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 4: I like to say.

537
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Speaker 5: There's some kind of some kind of trend on social

538
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Speaker 5: media where friends call each a mint. Male friends called

539
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 5: their friends at night and just before.

540
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 6: The bedtime tell them good night, I love.

541
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Speaker 5: You, something that probably doesn't happen a lot amongst.

542
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: And so you filmed.

543
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 6: It was either you or him going to make the call.

544
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 6: But we thought, you know what, if anyone calls somebody

545
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 6: and says I love you, good night, sweet dreams, and

546
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 6: it's going to be the most believable it would be Brent.

547
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, it was pure peer pressure.

548
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 4: We could rob.

549
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 5: She could have made me rob a lickor storeline.

550
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 6: And I kept saying, don't forget I love you.

551
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: So we all we all go into the the lobby

552
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Speaker 1: of this hotel. Heather goes and asks the hotel people

553
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Speaker 1: to turn the music off. Oh wow, because they're just

554
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: just like ambient music playing, which I thought was a

555
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: pretty high level move. And then so Brent calls Cal.

556
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: We I didn't think you'd pick up Cal. I just

557
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Speaker 1: I just kind of thought, I bet Cal's not even

558
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: gonna pick up.

559
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: What time at night was this nine o'clock?

560
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 6: And I later asked Deep, if we would have called you,

561
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Speaker 6: would you have answered, And he said nope, I told

562
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Speaker 6: you so.

563
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 5: Yeah. So we call Cal and Cal and he's like, hey, Brent,

564
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Speaker 5: Hey Cal, So I always call him Ryan, right, that's

565
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 5: what he's Mama calls him. That's what I'm gona call him.

566
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 5: I said, hey, Ryan, what are you doing? He said,

567
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 5: And the most Ryan Callahan answer. Ever, he said, well,

568
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 5: I just got through eating some white tail backstrap and

569
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 5: I'm laying down. What are you doing? And the conversation

570
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 5: just kind of went off course from there and I

571
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 5: can see Cal's face, Well he's talking to me like

572
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 5: Brent's lost his mind.

573
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 6: Oh, he said, I just wanted to see if you

574
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 6: had a good day to day and uh and call

575
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Speaker 6: you until you good night and was really nice.

576
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Speaker 1: It was like super nice.

577
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Speaker 3: Well I thought Brent may have been having a moment,

578
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: you know, And I was like, okay, you know, mental

579
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 3: health is a big thing. I I want to let

580
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: you know I'm here for you. Yeah, I don't want

581
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: to push the direction someplace that shouldn't go, Like you

582
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: tell me, how was your day?

583
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: And emotionally it was great?

584
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: It was great.

585
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

586
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: Cal was just like he just took it.

587
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: At what point did you like get kind of speaker?

588
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: Were you a little bit like what's going on here?

589
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: Well, like like I said this morning, right, Like, I

590
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: have several friends all across the country there are veterans,

591
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: and they deal with some some tough mental health stuff

592
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: and I always make sure that when when this comes

593
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: up on occasion, that they know that they can call

594
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: me and and I make sure that my numbers in

595
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: their phone, because that's a huge, huge part of you

596
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: know that this like very tragic suicide rate amongst veterans

597
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: and PTSD is when they often do reach out and

598
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: call people when they're in these crisis moments. And often

599
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: the the difference of creating or committing to an act

600
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Speaker 3: that you can't go back from, uh, like suicide is

601
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: whether or not somebody picks up a phone.

602
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Speaker 1: So wow, Cal took it to like, I mean serious

603
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: place quick, but it's true.

604
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 5: It is.

605
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: It is so yeah, I mean that's what I was like, Oh,

606
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: this is a little odd. So I try to, like

607
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: a lot of my buddies, nine o'clock at night, I'm

608
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: sitting there with girlfriend on the couch. I can let

609
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 3: that go until the next day, right, But uh, you

610
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: never called me at nine o'clock at night.

611
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

612
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 5: Yep, that's one thing that you get. I figured he'd

613
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 5: pick up if he saw it was me on there,

614
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 5: and he did. Yeah. Yeah.

615
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: And then and then so Brent ends it with a right.

616
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 5: Good night buddy, was a good night, Cal, and he's

617
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 5: like good night, and I'm like, I love you. Buddy goes,

618
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 5: I love you too.

619
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: And I still don't get the joke. Well, yeah, and

620
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: just conta cal if you see me, call it an answer, please, Okay,

621
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: I won't be filming. It was good. It was a

622
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: good call.

623
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we didn't know about this when we did in.

624
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: The almost simultaneously, Steve Vanella it was actually it was

625
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: a major setup and I didn't even know it. I

626
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: don't think they really meant it to be a complete setup.

627
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: Steve Varnell doesn't call me that often. I mean I

628
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: consider him a good friend, that a guy I love.

629
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: He doesn't call me that often. I don't know if

630
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: he calls you all much. Steve Vernella calls me in

631
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: the middle of our meeting yesterday and he knows I'm

632
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: in a meeting, and so I'm like, well, this must

633
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: be important. I like scramble around like bump people and

634
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: get out in the hall and I'm like hell, And

635
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: He's like, Clay, Man, this this physicist that you interviewed

636
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: on this water witching episode. I was disappointed in him, man,

637
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy like he should have read a

638
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: little more about it. But he did say one thing.

639
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: And Steve just starts talking and I mean I talked

640
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: to him for twenty five I listened to him for

641
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes talk about the water Begger's water Witching episode.

642
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: And He's just going on and on and he you know,

643
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: I kind of get fired up, you know. I mean

644
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: like he's speaking my language. You know, I'm excited, and

645
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I start talking and I feel like I'm

646
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: talking to, you know, a confidant here. You know, I

647
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: can really say what I think. And so I'm talking

648
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: about holding the sticks water Witch and we did this

649
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: whole episode on Waterwitch and and what makes the sticks move?

650
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: And so I'm describing passionately an even more detailed version

651
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: of what I said on the podcast. All the while, Randall,

652
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: doctor Randall the Random All himself is filming Steve Vanella

653
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: with his phone sat on the table and Steve just laughing,

654
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: like silently laughing, like throwing his head back, laughing at

655
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: me on the line, just like pouring out my heart.

656
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 5: They I mean, dude, yeah, are they going to use

657
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 5: that social It's already been sent to meetiater social media person.

658
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: So uh So, anyway, I was punked as well, Cayley.

659
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I might for folks who ever get in this

660
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: situation when Steve calls and he's going off on his thing, right,

661
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: if you interject and you stop him, he clicks into

662
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: reality again of the fact that there's somebody else on

663
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: the other end. And more often than not, and you

664
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: guys got to listen for this. He'll be like, I'll

665
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: let do you say your thing, but I just got

666
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 3: to say one more thing. Let me say this one

667
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 3: last thing. So okay, So it didn't end with Cal

668
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: last night.

669
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 6: Though, We're gonna have trust issues now.

670
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 8: Yeah.

671
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody calls, you gonna be like, yeah, so we

672
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: had so much fun with Cal that we Brent immediately calls,

673
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: what was your experience? Like, here you honest with this.

674
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was also in bed, had just finished my

675
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: second ice cream bar of the evening that you earned,

676
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 4: and I was probably scrolling through some moultry picks on

677
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: my laptop and Brent Reeves's number pops up.

678
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 6: I answered, He goes, I was just those little toes.

679
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 4: I all your toes. He was worried about your toes,

680
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 4: And I'm like, that's kind of weird, but funny you

681
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: say that I had to do some like little surgery today.

682
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 4: So I tell him about doing.

683
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: He was immediately skeptical. He was like, whatever, what do

684
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: you need?

685
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 5: Brent? I got that like, no, man, I was called

686
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 5: check on your feet.

687
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 4: You're right. I kind of forgot about that where I

688
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, Brent, ha like that's funny. What do

689
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 4: you need?

690
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you sniffed it, stuck with it.

691
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 4: And that's when I kind of went.

692
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: Back towards like I'm like, you got to commit, man,

693
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 2: what's going on with Brent?

694
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, he needs somebody. And he called me, I'm gonna.

695
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: Have to be for what happened at group dinner.

696
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: Yeah no, because my first thought was brent'son to me.

697
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 4: Brent's baked Softie's like big teddy bear, you know, and

698
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 4: he's got a lot of you know, passion, emotion, probably empathy,

699
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 4: sympathy for people. And and I thought I've seen Brent

700
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: drink like a beer or two, but maybe last night

701
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 4: he had three or four.

702
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 8: And you know what happened, and he just needs to

703
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 8: call his buddies and just tell me loves.

704
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 3: Better better at nine pm than four am.

705
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 6: Then wait then he says I love you and and

706
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 6: you go bye yeah, and then we're like, you don't

707
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 6: love you?

708
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: Cal Cals was love you. They're both both unique experiences.

709
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: But you know what, they were trying to get me

710
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: to do it, and I was just like, I couldn't

711
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: do I could not pull it off. Brent used to

712
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: be an undercover agent. Yeah, you know, I.

713
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 4: Thought, actually, then you should have done a better job.

714
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 6: We talk, do we know the story about what you

715
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 6: first thought of him?

716
00:36:59,600 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 4: Oh?

717
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: Talk about it all?

718
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 6: Okay, that he was so nice and had all that.

719
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: I thought he was coloration of what you'd want.

720
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 6: And a friend and that made you suspicious.

721
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good person. Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm

722
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: still not fully convinced that's not a long term plan.

723
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 5: A long come and for the long game a long

724
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 5: time fifteen years now, m hm.

725
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: So that that was pretty exciting. And it was all Heather, Heather, Heather.

726
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 4: It was her enough after Cal and myself, no one else,

727
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 4: I mean, that was it.

728
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 6: It just was Yeah, who else would we were there?

729
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 4: Now?

730
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: I think it gets a little less funny probably every

731
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: time you do it, Like in the moment, the first

732
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: one was just hysterical. Duke Duke from First Light was

733
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: there and he was giggling like a school girl.

734
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 6: He's laughing, so loud. Yeah, we might hear him say

735
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 6: I love you too, which was we were a little

736
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 6: crushed about that, were like, shut up.

737
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 3: But when you sent the video that you filmed, Sam

738
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: was like, you couldn't hear this in the background. I'm like,

739
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: half the time I can't hear you on the other

740
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 3: end of the couch.

741
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: No, it's it's yeah. It was great, It was great.

742
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: It was fun. It was fun. Heather, Yes, tell me

743
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: about this tattoo on your hand. Can you show it

744
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: to the cameras?

745
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 6: Yes, they float like this. This is uh wooden hallibut hook.

746
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 6: It's in my traditional language. It's called nah spelled na

747
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 6: x w if you want to spell it in English.

748
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 6: And this is a hook that it has a sea

749
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 6: monster design and it's the only hook we've retired. My

750
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 6: dad and I fish with these, and it fished for

751
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 6: like thirty years. We finally retired it.

752
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 4: Because it one hook.

753
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 6: It always caught the fish and they're sett in pairs

754
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 6: to compete against each other, and it would always catch.

755
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 6: So we retired it to give the other ones a

756
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 6: chance and.

757
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 4: Those thirty years. Because it looks like it's lashed together

758
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: right like do you don't do you do you find

759
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 4: a y shaped piece of wood to make it out of.

760
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 6: Pieces of wood. We're actually gonna film in my upcoming

761
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 6: show next week episode on using them. But they're made

762
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 6: of two different types of wood. So the part that

763
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 6: has the design as you would and then this part

764
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 6: that has the barb was yellow cedar.

765
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: Is that on purpose or is that just that specific.

766
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 6: One was like densities of wood make it float appropriately

767
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 6: when you set them.

768
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: And then the place that wants to go to the bottom.

769
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 6: And then this, you know, we have you know, cordage

770
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 6: there that needs to be placed in the right spot.

771
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 6: So this yellow seedar part floats level to the ocean floor,

772
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 6: so not like this or this just level, so that

773
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 6: placement's important. Traditionally the materials used would be spruce root,

774
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 6: you know, to fasten the two pieces together, and a

775
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 6: bare bone barb and cedar bark line the float at

776
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 6: the surface traditionally with an inflated dried seal stomach. And

777
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 6: then there's a tattletale bowie and typically that's a cormorant,

778
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 6: you know, black bird, and when you get one it

779
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 6: tips up, so you'd set them, go to the beach

780
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 6: and watch and tips up and you go check your

781
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 6: hooks and the halbit come up real easy, you know,

782
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 6: hand line them. And if you've caught halbt on a pole,

783
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 6: it feels like you're pulling up a mattress. But with

784
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 6: these it you know, my niece is ten, she pulled

785
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 6: up a two hundred and fifteen pounder, just real easy.

786
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 6: Wo hand line it up.

787
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: And why is it different?

788
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 6: I don't know. It's the technology, you know, it's just

789
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 6: I fling get traditional method of fishing, and just the

790
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 6: way that the hooks are created and fished and the

791
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 6: halvet just stay calm wow.

792
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: But then are you spearing them on the surface or

793
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: gaffing them or balk them? There's got to come up.

794
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, when they come up, you want to hit a

795
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 6: halbit right on the nostrils, right when its head comes

796
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 6: up out of the water before it can get mad.

797
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 6: So if you hit them really hard right on the nose.

798
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 4: With the bat of some sort like a back you know.

799
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 6: Gaff hook or club, they don't flop around like that.

800
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 6: And I see people shoot them and harpoon them. It's

801
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 6: not necessary. You can get a big three hundred pounder,

802
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 6: hit it on the nose the right spot and it

803
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 6: just peace fully comes up over that.

804
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: I have come to the conclusion that harpooning them is

805
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 3: not necessary at all, but it is so much fun.

806
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 4: I would rather do that.

807
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: It's just so much fun.

808
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 6: Then if it wakes up, sometimes you splash water on

809
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 6: the deck and a wake up. But if you hit

810
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 6: a halbit on its belly, you know, if it's dark

811
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 6: side down belly up to the white side, you hit

812
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 6: it on its belly and you pet it going towards

813
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 6: its tail. It mimics that feeling of them like swimming

814
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 6: and the their belly on the bottom of the ocean,

815
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 6: and they lay it right back down.

816
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: WHOA, that's cool.

817
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 6: I hit them on the stomach and go like this.

818
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 6: Then they go back to that's interesting.

819
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you want to go eat a fifty pounder

820
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 4: or two and fifty pounder the.

821
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, the medium smaller ones. But so with this to

822
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 6: prevent over fishing, you know, you only set them ount

823
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 6: of hooks the fish you want to catch, because you

824
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 6: can't release fish off of here. So typically would you

825
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 6: release a big albit off like a skate or long line,

826
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 6: but you you have to keep that fish you catch,

827
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 6: So you catch a really big one itok, like two

828
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 6: hundred three pounds and fifty or more pounds. You know,

829
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 6: you might just want one fish, so to ensure you

830
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 6: don't over harvest or only take what you need, you're

831
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 6: just gonna set a couple hooks.

832
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 1: So I want to go back to what you said

833
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: in case anybody missed it. Missed it. I've heard you

834
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: say it before. But you're you're setting. You set two

835
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: at a time, so they compete.

836
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's like a friendly competition. Each one has

837
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 6: eyes so you can see what it's catching. You lower

838
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 6: them and in our traditional language, you like give them

839
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 6: encouraging words and they you pick two out and they're

840
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 6: different designs, so we're like, oh, we're going to compete

841
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 6: sea monster against ego or whatever the other one is.

842
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 6: And then sometimes both catch, sometimes none, sometimes one, and

843
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 6: it's sort of just like a wave of you know,

844
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 6: having fun and encouraging bring good energy into the things

845
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 6: you do and the food that you harvest. And then

846
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 6: it's a myth. You know, some people say that you

847
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 6: can adjust that width to catch a smaller or larger fish.

848
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 6: That's a myth. A halbit, cheek or slip is about

849
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 6: the same size, whether it's a twenty pounder or a

850
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 6: three hundred pounder. And we've caught all different.

851
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: All different sizes. So you retired this one because it

852
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: was so good and give a chance.

853
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 6: Always caught hundreds of fish. And it has teeth marks,

854
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 6: you know. I I should have brought it to show you.

855
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 6: But right here, it's got a bunch of teeth marks.

856
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 6: It's like old and gray the wood.

857
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: So where did that one? Did your dad make that one?

858
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 6: He makes all of them.

859
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: So but that specific one that you've retired.

860
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 6: What gave it to me? I mean that's this is

861
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 6: a sea monster. But yeah, he gave it to me.

862
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 6: It's at my house. Wow, that's pretty incredible.

863
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 5: I want you to get too new ones and name

864
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 5: one brand and one clay. We could see which one.

865
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 6: Catches the most in my episode. You know, have a

866
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 6: film and you can pick your design. Really yeah, we'll

867
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 6: call you up. We'll have you choose. You compete against

868
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 6: each other.

869
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, is the hook baited?

870
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 6: Yeah? So you wrap? So take a octopus tentacle and

871
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 6: you shave off a thin layer, you know, the part

872
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 6: that has the suckers, because if you put a whole

873
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 6: octopus denticle on here, it'd be so heavy it wouldn't

874
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 6: float appropriately. So you just shave off that layer to

875
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 6: make it look like a lot of bait. You wrap

876
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 6: it so it looks like a lot and hol it

877
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 6: love octopus. You bait this part and wrap it around.

878
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 6: The barb is exposed, you wrap it around. Then you

879
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 6: do it well a piece of nylon. It twine a

880
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 6: couple half itches, wrap it over the tentacle, and then

881
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 6: secure it here. When halib it goes to eat, you

882
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 6: know they can't see very well because they have eyes

883
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 6: on top of their head. They can smell really well

884
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 6: in gears. So when you set them, the sinkers are

885
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 6: these rocks with the groove carved in them, and you

886
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 6: kind of knock wake them up.

887
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 5: Really.

888
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 6: You set your hooks and then you like knock on

889
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 6: the ground with the pull the line obviously up here

890
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 6: and you could feel that rock like knocking.

891
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: You feel like that's calling.

892
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 6: Them had the fight When you do that, Oh.

893
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: You could feel it just any any any disturbance down

894
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: there there picking up on it when.

895
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 6: They're if they're there, they're gonna bite.

896
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: But you know, halib It's my favorite fish you ever

897
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: see them cook it.

898
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 6: No, when they eat, when halliba open their mouth marks

899
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 6: had my halibit it was good, it was good.

900
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: You did well.

901
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 6: It creates a vacuum and they it sucks that part

902
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 6: in their mouth and they don't like something. They try

903
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 6: to spit out when they ejected, goes in their cheek.

904
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: The barb, the barb which is oftentimes the shin bone

905
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: of a bear. Yes, yeah, that's pretty cool.

906
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 6: It's the barb I like to dry. My favorite to

907
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 6: eat helb is dried.

908
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 4: Dried.

909
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: See, I've never I would have never had that way cold.

910
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: I kind of like dried salmon, salmon like meat snacks.

911
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

912
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 3: I have a hard time fishing with octopus because I

913
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: like to eat the octopus so much.

914
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's tasty octopus from sometimes they go in their

915
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 6: crab pots, you know right.

916
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Heather Win, do your Meat Eater films come out?

917
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 6: I think September.

918
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: Oh, they're coming out soon, so you'll be able to

919
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: watch on the media YouTube channel a bunch of stuff

920
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: filmed in Alaska with with Heather and her dad and uh,

921
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna be cool. I'm looking forward

922
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: to it.

923
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: Does any of this fishing talk get you interested in

924
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: diving into fish further class.

925
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I enjoy fishing in Alaska just because of

926
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: the novelty of it, and I actually enjoy fishing. I

927
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: just had to make a decision when I was twenty

928
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: two years old, when I had my first child. It

929
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: was like they gotta be a because at that time,

930
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: I honestly could have gone probably either way. I liked

931
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: to fish and hunt. I just knew I couldn't do both,

932
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 1: so I kind of rejected, reject. I went that route,

933
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: rejected fishing.

934
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 6: How did you cook the halibt?

935
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: Mark?

936
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 5: Mark?

937
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: Mark was sandwich fish, sandwich fish and chips. Oh, just butter,

938
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: butter pretty much grilled halib I.

939
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: Mean it's terrific given the circumstances.

940
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was on. It was on Meadia to roast

941
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: the cooking show, you know, so it was fun. It

942
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: was good. But I do love halibut.

943
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 6: It was.

944
00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 4: Right one now.

945
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, O cal hey man, you know what people ask

946
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: me all the time, and I want to ask you, Well,

947
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: you were just on Joe Rogan. Yeah, tell me about

948
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: that experience and you can tell us what we were

949
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: talking about, what you guys were talking about. But this

950
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: is a huge deal. I mean, like you in our culture.

951
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: If aliens came down here and analyzed our culture, they

952
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: would be like, wait a minute, why do people think

953
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: it's like unique and cool to go on Joe Rogan Regan?

954
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 6: Who's this?

955
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: But like you were on Rogan like two weeks ago, it's.

956
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a weird deal. I

957
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: feel like I've known Joe for a long time now,

958
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 3: It's not like we're talking on the phone every day.

959
00:49:52,920 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: But uh, however, called Joe Rogan tonight. I love you Joe.

960
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: It's a lot different these days, like the last last time,

961
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 3: like when we hunted together and then uh we did

962
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: the Joe Rogan podcast when when he was still in California.

963
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: So you've been on it before.

964
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, one one time for the exact same reason as

965
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: as this last time, right public lands. But you know,

966
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 3: when he was in California, it was like, cool, show

967
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 3: up at this address. There you are, We walk in,

968
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 3: he unlocks his own door, walking together. Now it's it's

969
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: way different, right, undisclosed location and you get picked up,

970
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: dropped off. You know, his security team is all it's

971
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 3: all the same guys from the last couple of years really,

972
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 3: you know, nice guys. So sat around bsked with them.

973
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 3: Then Joe finally rolled in and and uh and yeah

974
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 3: did did the podcast. And it was kind of odd timing, right,

975
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: because we had been talking and I'd been like, hey, Joe,

976
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 3: you need to pay attention to this public land sell

977
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: off stuff. It's very real.

978
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: So you had said that you had communicated with him before, Yeah,

979
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: in some way, yeah, yeah, just call him, email him.

980
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 3: I was just texting him, just saying hey, man, like

981
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 3: this is real, just to stay on top of it.

982
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 3: And Cameron Haynes was was I was keeping him in

983
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: the loop, right and uh. And then eventually I was like,

984
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: this is super real, like we got to make a

985
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: podcast happen. And He's like, yep, you're right, it's you.

986
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: That's that's that's gutsy. I like it that you had

987
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: the boldness to say, hey, we need to do a podcast. Yeah,

988
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: and he and he did it.

989
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: I'm not going to call him and be like, hey,

990
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: I want to talk about me, right, I mean, this

991
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 3: is important stuff. So and and yeah, I mean he

992
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: was like, okay, how about July fourth? And I was like, dude,

993
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 3: July fourth too late they're gonna vote. They're supposed to

994
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 3: vote in the Senate on July, so it's got to

995
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: be earlier in that. And he was like, okay, yeah,

996
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 3: I'll reschedule this other guy and got in there July third,

997
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 3: and he's like, but that's the best I can do.

998
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 3: So went down there and yeah, I had a good talk.

999
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 3: But you know, at that point, we had just gotten

1000
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 3: two days earlier the public lands sell off language removed

1001
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 3: from the Senate version of the the budget bill, big big,

1002
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 3: beautiful budget bill, and so we kind of had like

1003
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 3: a little bit of a recap, but also like, this

1004
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: is kind of how we got here. And you know,

1005
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 3: Joe likes to have tangents too, you know, and some

1006
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: some of which I'm not super interested in, if I'm

1007
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 3: being honest, But so you know, have have to kind

1008
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 3: of redirect, but you know, very important to me obviously

1009
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 3: making sure we have places to go hunt and fish

1010
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 3: and making sure that people understand that even though you're

1011
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 3: not using it, this is yours right now. Do you

1012
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 3: want to lose it forever? Because once it's gone, it's gone.

1013
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: And yeah, so that's that's what we talked about. And

1014
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 3: then you know, right right, now today, I just got

1015
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 3: a call because the next version of land sell offs

1016
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 3: is is coming in and there's a lot of folks

1017
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 3: working really hard to defund a lot of like very

1018
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 3: specific areas of how we manage our public resources and

1019
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: in an effort to kind of minimize those areas and

1020
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 3: make them easier to sell off. So I got a

1021
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 3: call from the Washington Post today to talk about where

1022
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: we think this funding is going and is it important

1023
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 3: to hunters and anglers.

1024
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 4: You know?

1025
00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I mean, and it's just gonna keep coming

1026
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: until folks understand that public land, public water, public wildlife

1027
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: is so important to everybody that it's not this political

1028
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 3: bargaining chip. You got to keep your hands off of it, right, So,

1029
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: and by keep your hands off of it, there's always

1030
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 3: these extremes these days, right, the ultra crazy liberal left

1031
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 3: and the ultra crazy conservative right, and nobody talks about

1032
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: the ultra crazy middle right, where it's not keep your

1033
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 3: hands off it, you can't touch it, you can't go

1034
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 3: out there, as some people like to say, And it's not.

1035
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: It only does us good if we can extract everything

1036
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 3: off of it, right, So we all use stuff when

1037
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: it's time for extraction. It's got to be responsible extraction,

1038
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: and there's there's ways to do that stuff responsibly if

1039
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 3: we demand that it needs to be done that way, right,

1040
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, kind of advocating for the ultra crazy middle ground,

1041
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 3: like the radical center. Yeah, exactly, radical center.

1042
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: Is it true that maybe I heard you say Mark

1043
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: today that Mike Lee, who was the face of the

1044
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: of the of the bill that was the part of

1045
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,959
Speaker 1: the bill that was wanting to sell off the land, yep,

1046
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: that after all this he was like, uh there there

1047
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: murmurs of him thinking that where did all this opposition

1048
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 1: come from? Was it this dark money?

1049
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: Who's funding?

1050
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 4: What?

1051
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: What dark money is funding all this opposition?

1052
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: As if as if our voice and all the hunters

1053
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: and anglers who stood up on social.

1054
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 2: Media and it could not be legitimate.

1055
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: Right it we had to be somehow being coerced or

1056
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: paid or I mean that actually had he actually said that.

1057
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 5: Because apparently that's the way they do business up there.

1058
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1059
00:55:53,960 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: It's revealing, right, Yeah, and that's a huge like where

1060
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 3: we need to get to thing is is we're only

1061
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: going to have as much transparency into this process as

1062
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 3: we demand, and a lot of these people do not

1063
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 3: want people paying attention to them.

1064
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 4: They just they do not with.

1065
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 3: The more spotlight they have on them, the less they're

1066
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 3: gonna get done in their own way. And that's the

1067
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 3: role that we all have to play, you know, as citizens,

1068
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 3: is demanding that these people represent our interests. And sometimes

1069
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: the chips might fall in the right direction when we're

1070
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 3: not paying attention, but that's not where I'm going to

1071
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: put my money.

1072
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 5: You know, you want to see the roaches running high,

1073
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 5: just turn the lights on.

1074
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 3: Turn the lights on, yes, sir. So there's a lot

1075
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: of very smart folks who are in tune with things

1076
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: saying that there's going to be another big land sell

1077
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 3: off attempt here during hunting season because people have realized

1078
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 3: that it was It wasn't until the hunting community, and

1079
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 3: this is something that we should be patting our backs on.

1080
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: It wasn't until the hunting community really got riled up

1081
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: that everybody else started taking it really seriously, and it

1082
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 3: was this kind of domino effect, if you will. And

1083
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 3: so people have been like, oh my gosh, well, let's

1084
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 3: just do it during the hunting season, and then these

1085
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 3: people are going to be distracted because we know they

1086
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 3: care way more about hunting than what we're doing.

1087
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 5: Well.

1088
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 7: The thing is, I've always thought that we as the

1089
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 7: hunting and fishing community kind of have a superpower on

1090
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 7: these types of issues because folks like Mike Lee and

1091
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 7: his ILK they can ignore the traditional environmentalists, the traditional

1092
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 7: left leaning green crowd, because those folks weren't supporting Mike

1093
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 7: Lee or anyone on that side of the aisle anyways, right,

1094
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 7: But they do need to listen to the hunting and

1095
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 7: fishing community, which has traditionally supported the right side of

1096
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 7: the aisle, and they need the support of our community.

1097
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 7: So all this and we start making a ruckus about

1098
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Speaker 7: this stuff, we are being heard. They do need to,

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00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 7: you know, work for that constituency. So there's a little

1100
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 7: bit of an extra opportunity we have in these moments.

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00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 3: H And there's a giant chunk of under I feel

1102
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: like something that the politicians need to pay attention to

1103
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 3: is there's this huge, huge group literally larger than the

1104
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: group that voted for the Democrats and larger than the

1105
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 3: group that voted for the Republicans in this last election,

1106
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: that are saying we are not being represented. And it's

1107
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 3: motivating that thirty six percent that didn't vote to vote

1108
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 3: one way or another, right, like, where's my representation? And

1109
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 3: I think a lot of those people definitely stood up

1110
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 3: and made phone calls and posts and rallied people during

1111
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 3: this public land sales stuff. So the more that we

1112
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 3: can get people engaged, the more they're going to pay attention.

1113
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 3: So I say, policy not politics. Don't support politics, but

1114
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 3: you gotta be involved in policy.

1115
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: You're here, well, I was, I was. I was proud

1116
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: to know you cal on that whole deal. Just uh yeah,

1117
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about I mean, it's it's uh.

1118
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes those kind of issues aren't on the forefront,

1119
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: but when they are, I look, I'm looking to you

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00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: and and and some other people. Mark was really vocal

1121
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: on it.

1122
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, exactly exactly.

1123
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: So anyway, it was a it was a it was

1124
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: a clutch play, you know, and there was so many

1125
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: people involved. I mean yeah, but it was yeah, And

1126
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: I guess we're just gonna have to keep finding it, man.

1127
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're preaching to the choir so much,

1128
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: but I mean we just have I feel like that

1129
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: we just have no no real awareness of how fortunate

1130
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: we are to live in this country, have access to

1131
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 1: public land.

1132
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 4: Yep.

1133
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 5: Period.

1134
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like, this is a human experience

1135
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: that's that is not happening in other places where we could.

1136
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: And I mean there's all this talk about, you know,

1137
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: people being upset about ELK draws being harder to get

1138
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: to and hunting being limited, But Kylie, I'm just happy

1139
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: that I can get an ELK tag in my lifetime.

1140
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want the bar to drop so

1141
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: low that. I Mean, I realize there's challenges, but I'm

1142
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: just I just think it's cool that that we have

1143
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: access to what we have.

1144
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 3: And yeah, you can put your name in the hat

1145
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 3: for a big horn sheep right, It's like and it's

1146
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 3: it's possible, yep right, Yanni Drew big horn. Right, That's

1147
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 3: that's a tough one to grab, folks. Yeah, you just

1148
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 3: can't be complacent, right, because it doesn't matter how big

1149
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan's podcast is. Like, if the people don't listen

1150
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 3: to that and then make the phone calls and the

1151
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 3: emails on their own, He's just one boys, right, or

1152
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 3: Clay or Heather or Brent or Jannis or Mark or myself.

1153
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 3: And you can't assume somebody else is going to be

1154
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 3: the heavy lifting, correct, that's the deal.

1155
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 4: I feel like we should put some effort into opposing

1156
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 4: Mike Lee next time he has to run for his seat.

1157
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 4: We can definitely remind people, right, Yeah, yeah, be great

1158
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 4: to get him primaried.

1159
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: Well, let's I want I want to close down with

1160
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: one story that that has just come up and everybody's

1161
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: talking about it, and I just I just kind of

1162
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: want to get your hot take on it. Ye honest,

1163
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: tell us about the the guy that poached the deer

1164
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 1: that that everybody's talking about. There's a good Mediator article

1165
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: about it, there's articles all over we we just give

1166
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: the world a look into what this guy did and

1167
01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: what happened to him.

1168
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'll preface it was saying that was really

1169
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 4: impressed by our editorial team, Maggie and I can't remember

1170
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 4: who she says.

1171
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,479
Speaker 2: She wrote it with Whither.

1172
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the latest like email that I got from

1173
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 4: them that I forget what the title was, it was like,

1174
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,919
Speaker 4: don't be a moron? And then like the top three

1175
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 4: articles in this email and what's on the website today

1176
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 4: was all these poaching cases. Right, but Maggie wrote a

1177
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 4: nice little piece about being like don't be these people, Like,

1178
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 4: let's celebrate all the great things and do it right,

1179
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 4: respect it. And it was just really nice to see

1180
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 4: like us coming forward and putting our voice out there,

1181
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 4: not just writing an article, you know, sort of you know,

1182
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 4: trying to get clicks with another poaching case. Right. But

1183
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 4: the first one in the set of three is about

1184
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 4: a hunter, a and a you know internet celebrity YouTube

1185
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 4: hunter who has a show, albeit small, but he has

1186
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 4: a show on YouTube. I think he also is on

1187
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 4: Carbon TV if I'm not mistaken. And he was hunting

1188
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 4: in Kansas in a unit that he did not have

1189
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Speaker 4: a tag for. He did have a Kansas tag, but

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Speaker 4: not a tag for that unit, killed a deer, drove

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01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 4: that deer to Oklahoma, where he also had a tag,

1192
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 4: and then tagged that deer there, then went back to

1193
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 4: Kansas and hunted in the unit that he did have

1194
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 4: a tag for and killed another buck. In the end,

1195
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 4: when it all came out and he got busted, he

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01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 4: got in trouble for killing two deer in Kansas, which

1197
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 4: you're not allowed to do. He can only kill one buck.

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Speaker 4: And then he also got in trouble through the Lacyact

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Speaker 4: for transporting that illegal animal across state lines. It's gonna say, Brent,

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Speaker 4: when you're out there committing crimes, do you suggest crossing

1201
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 4: state lines?

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Speaker 5: That is a bad, bad juju right there, that's going

1203
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 5: to escalated.

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Speaker 1: How did they catch him.

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01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 5: From a state to federal I'm not sure the article

1206
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 5: even stayed of how he was No, we don't.

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Speaker 4: Know, but I do know that there was of like

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01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 4: some heavy hitter government agencies in on it. I think

1209
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 4: it might even said c I A was was was

1210
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 4: in on it, like the big kids came out to

1211
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 4: stop this guy. So obviously both fish wildlife departments from

1212
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Speaker 4: Oklahoma and Kansas were involved. But yeah, it's a big deal.

1213
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 4: He's uh, he's losing his license uh for his lifetime

1214
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 4: in Kansas and then I forget how.

1215
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Speaker 5: Many years, five years, five years nationwide.

1216
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Speaker 1: It was interesting seeing all the hunting companies that sponsored

1217
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: him come out with their statements this week. Yeah, there's

1218
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: multiple multiple companies had these big ride ups about how

1219
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Speaker 1: they're rejecting their association with this kind of surprise, like

1220
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Speaker 1: they why.

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Speaker 7: They would even say anything at all, because this was

1222
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 7: personally I'd never heard of this person before or I've

1223
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 7: never heard of it felt like you were actually bringing

1224
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 7: more tension to him and your association with him by

1225
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 7: doing this post. Then if you just said nothing at all,

1226
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 7: I don't think anybody would have known about it exactly.

1227
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think that the pr side of things,

1228
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 4: they don't want to get caught being like, hey, everybody

1229
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 4: else sort of made a statement, Sure are you condoning this?

1230
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1231
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1232
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: Maybe after one person does it, yeah, maybe, so the

1233
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: whole thing gets it's crazy, the whole thing gets messed up.

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01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 7: So I heard a story about another person who had

1235
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 7: been in this world that we're talking about, like the

1236
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 7: media world, who had been busted for some illegal stuff

1237
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 7: and got busted in part by the Laciact because he

1238
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 7: had brought, you know, an animal legally harvested across state lines,

1239
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 7: and that made it so much worse because of that.

1240
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 7: So now this person supposedly, whenever this person kills a

1241
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 7: deer in a certain state, even if he thinks he

1242
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 7: did everything by the book, he leaves that deer in

1243
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 7: that state for a minimum of five years to ensure

1244
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 7: that nothing else is like found out and dug up

1245
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 7: that he could get in trouble for if he were

1246
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 7: to transfer over state lines.

1247
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: Now he chose to do this or the judge said

1248
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: he had.

1249
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,439
Speaker 2: To do this again. This is all secondhand. So okay, tell.

1250
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 4: You're saying when he leaves the deer, you're talking about

1251
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 4: the head. Yeah, so he like leaves it with the

1252
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 4: taxidermist and does not take it to his home for

1253
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 4: five years.

1254
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 3: Oh boy, that's a good way to get a deer

1255
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 3: back from a taxidermist in twenty years. If you're like, hey,

1256
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 3: don't worry about it, I'll pick it up in five years.

1257
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 4: I worry about You're the only guy that's actually going

1258
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 4: to get your tax durmy on time.

1259
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: Well, everybody loves a good poaching story. Why well I

1260
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: have all people because I actually don't my my buddies.

1261
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: Well yeah, what do you think? Come on, you do

1262
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: well the best, you're the best. Some of the highest

1263
01:06:59,240 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: listen to.

1264
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 7: Bear Greeks episodes of all time have been our poetry leaderes.

1265
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: And they're just interesting. They're they're they're human interest stories

1266
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: because the interest in this case, if I was sitting

1267
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: down with this guy, I would be like, why did

1268
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: you know? Why did you do this?

1269
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 5: What?

1270
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 2: What were you?

1271
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: Where were you after? Why did you think you'd get

1272
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: away with it? Did you steal stuff? When you were

1273
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: a kid, Did you tell the truth? I mean, it's

1274
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: a it's a.

1275
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: It's a human psychology fascination.

1276
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like a human interest story. And what

1277
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: you usually find out is that some of these guys

1278
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: aren't that much different than just the average guy. I mean,

1279
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: and it's and it's sometimes a momentary lapse and judgment.

1280
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: It's usually a lifetime of lack of character. Honestly, when

1281
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: it's this egregious, I mean, you don't do this on accident,

1282
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, I mean there and and and there's such

1283
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: a nuance to me inside of game violations. You know,

1284
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: there's some that are just clearly egregious. This is egregious.

1285
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 3: Like this guy, there's planning.

1286
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: He didn't kill it. Didn't do this on accident, Like

1287
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: he didn't accidentally kill it daring Kansas, thinking he was

1288
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma.

1289
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 4: He had to you know, film a twenty two minute

1290
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 4: episode or whatever and continue this lie through the episode Alklahoma.

1291
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 5: Do you sail film it?

1292
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 4: No, he's with him.

1293
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 5: Well, he's got an accomplice.

1294
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 2: As far the film work, Yeah.

1295
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: Would you considered a film episode?

1296
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 6: Was the film? Does he do create content? It just

1297
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 6: filming because we're going to cover it up and we're

1298
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 6: going to say we're here.

1299
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 1: No, he was filming.

1300
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 3: So the FBI profile for serial killers is like you

1301
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 3: can overlap it with serial poachers. And they did that

1302
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 3: study with I want to say, like US Fish and

1303
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 3: Wildlife Service maybe just just to see a few years ago.

1304
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 3: And so that made the round quite a bit, I

1305
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 3: want to say, like five years ago. And it's been

1306
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 3: referenced a couple other times because there have been serial

1307
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 3: poachers that have one day just decided to kill somebody

1308
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 3: and they had the exact same reasoning as to why

1309
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 3: they shoot a handful of bucks at night every year

1310
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, right, it's like, I don't know,

1311
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 3: just did it. So that's really interesting to think about

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Speaker 3: on the poaching side of things. And then the guy

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Speaker 3: that I would love for you to interview because I

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01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 3: just I want to know the whole reason. Why is

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01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 3: this dude? This is a big time case. It broke gosh,

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01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 3: I want to say, about eighteen months ago, and then

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01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 3: then the kind of the civil part of it just

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01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 3: kind of wrapped up now. But this guy, uh Carl

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01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 3: schlaughter I think.

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Speaker 4: Is his name.

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01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 3: He's a Southern Idaho dude, fuel Idaho area Burley Bule

1322
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 3: but like local farmer kid done super well for himself.

1323
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 3: Sits like, went to Lineman school, got on the board

1324
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 3: of a co op and then got on the board

1325
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 3: of this giant electrical company making tons of money and

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01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 3: just a filthy poacher right and has all the cash

1327
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,799
Speaker 3: to go wherever and do it all right, and free

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01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 3: time and stuff, and gets like really into it to

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01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 3: where he's like, wall, none of these poachers are really

1330
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 3: doing it at a pro level, and so he kind

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01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 3: of sets up his own insider trading of illegal tags

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01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 3: in Idaho. And that's at the point at which he

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01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 3: got busted. But I mean he'd been observed for quite

1334
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 3: a while and the case was being put together. But

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01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 3: that is guy I would love to sit down with

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01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 3: or have you sit down with and just be like

1337
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 3: walk me through the decision because he was he was

1338
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 3: killing like his kids bull elk for him, you know

1339
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 3: what I mean.

1340
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 6: Like, there's a guy in my town. I love this guy.

1341
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 6: Second old here we go. Just love this guy every

1342
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 6: time I see him at the story stop and talking

1343
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 6: to me. Drives around with like six dogs and gets

1344
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 6: a pack of ground beef and feeds him wrong ground

1345
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 6: beef and the truck and I love him, but he

1346
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 6: has a few poached lots and lots when he was

1347
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 6: growing up and in his adult and he tells me

1348
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 6: stories all.

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01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: The time, is he but he does.

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01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 6: No, he's I think he's like in his late seventies

1351
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 6: now and he does it. He lives in Alaska. But

1352
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 6: this one story about uh, you know, they'd watch him,

1353
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 6: they'd wait for him and at night, and he got

1354
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 6: so good at hiding the.

1355
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: You know, he's got so good.

1356
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 6: Said one time he put it in in a spare tire.

1357
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 6: It was in the back of his truck and then

1358
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 6: put the rim back and then the police were looking

1359
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 6: all over and they're like, we know you got one,

1360
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 6: and they couldn't find it and they're moving this tire

1361
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 6: around is so heavy, and he said when the guy retired,

1362
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 6: the law enforcement officer retired, he told them it was

1363
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 6: in that tire the whole time.

1364
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 5: Oh man, you'd like.

1365
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 6: To talk to this guy.

1366
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 4: What I thought it was interesting about the one that

1367
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 4: we started conversation with is that he's doing it for

1368
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 4: a show. And since all of us film some version

1369
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 4: of hunting catching, uh, you know your episode is going

1370
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 4: to be better when something dies to some extent right there.

1371
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 3: When you get the goal of the show.

1372
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, sometimes the hero doesn't, you know, get

1373
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 4: over that that home, but like that's a real pressure,

1374
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 4: right to come home with pressure.

1375
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 5: Pressure is one thing, but integert is is something else,

1376
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 5: and that that's going to win every show as far

1377
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 5: as I'm concerned, and y'all too. I mean, I'm not

1378
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 5: I'm telling no about the flood saying that to you guys,

1379
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 5: But it's just the the idea that a fella can

1380
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 5: anyone and put themselves in a place to feel the

1381
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 5: amount of pressure that the only way that they can

1382
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 5: do that is to have the hero shot with the

1383
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 5: dead animal. That's the only way that you can win.

1384
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 5: He's not out there for the same reasons I am

1385
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 5: for sure, or any of you folks.

1386
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't. We didn't mention it that one

1387
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: of the deer was like one hundred and ninety something.

1388
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's different in that case. Oklahoma Tates.

1389
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, when I was I was feeling, you know,

1390
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 6: I'm new at this and we're filming, was we're hunting

1391
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 6: up in Alaska, was like, do you show the missus?

1392
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's okay. I just watched a little preview

1393
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 6: with my first episode. I go, you to show me

1394
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 6: missing five times in a row, like, are gonna show

1395
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 6: me beginning? They're like, oh, you're missing because it's far

1396
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 6: you can't tell. I was like watching it like circles,

1397
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 6: so it's real, it's part of it, and it is,

1398
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 6: you know, every time I see one of those things.

1399
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 3: I in all.

1400
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: Honestly, the reason I was paranoid about Brent just a

1401
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: little bit when I first met him was because I

1402
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: was I had just stepped into the hunting industry that

1403
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 1: not full time, just was like writing some stuff and

1404
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: and uh, and I've told the story so many times

1405
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,719
Speaker 1: I won't believe it, but but we really grew my dad.

1406
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: Actually I didn't didn't realize this would be abnormal, But

1407
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 1: my dad actually really taught us to follow the law.

1408
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like we didn't get it's not I don't think, well, okay,

1409
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: he took it. He took it unusually serious for everybody

1410
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: that I knew for real, just like letter of the

1411
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: law kind of stuff. So I grew up with that

1412
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit of paranoia because of that.

1413
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: And then uh, just when I got into the hunting industry.

1414
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: You know, I envisioned, well, what if I just made

1415
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: a mistake, you know, and this and this, this thing

1416
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: is over and and uh so I always I don't

1417
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: I don't have people maybe have accused me of being

1418
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: empathetic sympathetic towards poachers because of some of the stuff

1419
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: that we've done on bear grease. And uh I was

1420
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 1: going to tell you any candidate of a bear grease

1421
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: story they've got, he's got to be redemption in the arc.

1422
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: So this guy, this guy in Idaho, like know, I

1423
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: don't want to give him any press if he's kind

1424
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: of still a dirt ball.

1425
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 3: Well you know what I mean, that's the yeah, I

1426
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 3: mean it's very well could be.

1427
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 4: I just don't know.

1428
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 3: I'm dying to know. Like the psychological reason, it's like

1429
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 3: you could have gone. I mean, he's wealthy enough to

1430
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 3: where he could go anywhere outside of the interstate compact

1431
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 3: and continue to hunt and and be just and do

1432
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 3: as much as he wants, just not close to home, right,

1433
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 3: But it's just like I'm just dying to know, Like.

1434
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 6: What, yeah, what why poached?

1435
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 1: Oh you did?

1436
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 4: A little.

1437
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 6: Dad cancer sick and they were starving.

1438
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,560
Speaker 1: Poor m That's what started it, but he kind of

1439
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: kept on.

1440
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 6: No, he said, the I'll call it a warden. That's

1441
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 6: what we call it. He said, during that time, his

1442
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 6: dad is going sick, he said, the the guy who's

1443
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 6: always after him. He's like, i'll see you later. Like

1444
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 6: it's kind of like a nod to I'm gonna look

1445
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 6: the other way because they know you all are struggling.

1446
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 6: But then he kept on after and then I think

1447
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 6: it was I don't know if it's a dopamine thing

1448
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 6: or what your rush, you know when you do that.

1449
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, interesting, Yeah, well the white the white tell

1450
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 1: stories are always wild, and you know, I mean, yeah,

1451
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: that's my I don't really have a conclusion. I just

1452
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about I just wanted to talk about conclusion.

1453
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 4: You know his quote, you know, big deer make people

1454
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 4: do stupid stuff.

1455
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you.

1456
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 6: Just say I love you, buddy. Good night.

1457
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: That's how we're going to close off the episode. Hey,

1458
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: it's been fun. It's been fun having everybody on here.

1459
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:55,520
Speaker 1: It's been a fun conversation.

1460
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 3: And uh, burst ever crackling.

1461
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to call it if we do that,

1462
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: If we use that name for the third rendition of

1463
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: the Bear, you know, the bear Grease podcast feeds getting

1464
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: really complicated. We got the bear Grease Proper, which is

1465
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,679
Speaker 1: our documentary style episode. We got the bear Grease Render,

1466
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: which is us sitting around talking about the bear Grease Proper.

1467
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: We got Brents this country life podcast. And now we

1468
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: have Lake Pickles back Backwoods University. There's a lot going

1469
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: on there, so uh and then now we're gonna have

1470
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: the bear Grease Crackling.

1471
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 6: Do you eat the cracklings?

1472
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 5: Oh?

1473
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, like seal. Weat seal crispya we call it Chrispy.

1474
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: I usually use them as dog treats.

1475
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 6: Nice.

1476
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 3: You can put salt or sugar or all.

1477
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: Right, thank you guys. Why don't you wish him good night?

1478
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 5: Good night, Thank y'all for listening to bear Grease Crackling,

1479
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 5: And like I always say to my friends, good night buddy,