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Speaker 1: I am q Ward.
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Speaker 1: Sycer, and we're gonna need to stick around little bit
Speaker 1: more because we got a little bit more for you.
Speaker 1: We are going to be spending some time talking about
Speaker 1: the Winston Salem State University student who was arrested in
Speaker 1: a viral video after refusing to apologize to her professor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a lot, and uh We're also going to
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Speaker 1: dot org. Now, the angry black woman that feels very.
Speaker 2: Unfair, that's a good place to start. Yeah, unfair is
Speaker 2: a good place to start. It is a gross characterization
Speaker 2: used to legitimize unfair treatment, used to legitimize subjugation, used
Speaker 2: to legitimize hyper marginalization. Whatever you want to categorize it
Speaker 2: as right, the other ring of people. Let's paint a
Speaker 2: picture right, uncivilized and smart, uneducated, unable to properly communicate,
Speaker 2: so that I can justify the disrespect that will follow
Speaker 2: me identifying her as angry black woman.
Speaker 1: But go on, no, no, well said, I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on here. Now I need to
Speaker 1: say this. This is a historically black college, right, That's
Speaker 1: what HBCU stands for, Historically Black College and University, Winston
Speaker 1: Salem University. The teacher is or it looks visibly Caucasian white, right,
Speaker 1: And so I want to be as fair as I
Speaker 1: can be. Right, So, if you are a white teacher
Speaker 1: at a historically black college and university, there's already some
Speaker 1: things that I might give you the benefit of the doubt,
Speaker 1: for I might not think that you harbor as much
Speaker 1: in the way of traditional racism as a person who
Speaker 1: might be employed at a non HBCU campus. Right. So,
Speaker 1: in other words, if you're white but you work at
Speaker 1: an HBCU, you might kind of know what's up. Right.
Speaker 1: But we've talked about this on the show before. It
Speaker 1: is possible for black people to be white supremacists. So
Speaker 1: it's possible for anybody short of that to at least
Speaker 1: weaponize the system against black people in a way that
Speaker 1: causes harm of a particular variety to that group, To
Speaker 1: our group. Two black women okay, so of course I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go through and read everything to you. But in short,
Speaker 1: what we have is a student and a teacher have
Speaker 1: a disagreement. Student is black, teacher is white. The teacher
Speaker 1: insists that the student apologize. The student insists that the
Speaker 1: teacher apologize. The teacher asked the student to leave or apologize,
Speaker 1: and the student refuses to leave and refuses to apologize
Speaker 1: and is awaiting her apology. There's a back and forth.
Speaker 1: Someone calls the police. I don't even believe it was
Speaker 1: that teacher in particular, but someone else called the police,
Speaker 1: please show up and arrest the student, and that's when
Speaker 1: the video picks up. So if you have seen this video,
Speaker 1: this is what this is the part that you're seeing.
Speaker 1: When the student is arrested and you can see her face,
Speaker 1: you start to realize this, this is not right. It's
Speaker 1: that same feeling that you get in your stomach when
Speaker 1: you see the police show up and arrest even little kids.
Speaker 1: And we've talked about videos or the police come to
Speaker 1: elementary schools and arrest seven year olds, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. We've talked about how SRO student Resource officers
Speaker 1: help fortify the school to prison pipeline, because it's simply
Speaker 1: a matter of it becomes criminal rather than you know,
Speaker 1: just being disciplinary. Right, because we recognize that some students,
Speaker 1: you know their rules, and you know there has to
Speaker 1: be some structure. There has to be adherence to a
Speaker 1: set of rules and standards. There has to be hierarchy
Speaker 1: and respect and so forth in order for things to function.
Speaker 1: And if you go against that, then you set a
Speaker 1: precedent that other people could follow. You lose your authority
Speaker 1: and your capacity to teach, and then what are you
Speaker 1: really doing at the end of the day. But the
Speaker 1: overreach when it involves police who are tasked with dealing
Speaker 1: with criminal activity, and often I have sort of a
Speaker 1: bully mentality, god complex, that sort of thing, you know,
Speaker 1: And even if the individual officers don't, that element often
Speaker 1: brings that that with it. Right, you start to see like,
Speaker 1: I don't really love how this looks. I don't love this.
Speaker 1: This shouldn't be happening. There's got to be there's got
Speaker 1: to be a better way to deal with this stuff
Speaker 1: when it happens.
Speaker 2: And ironically, she doesn't just look because nobody looks happy
Speaker 2: being arrested, right, she she doesn't just look unhappy they're upset.
Speaker 2: She looks confused, right, like you at least understand when
Speaker 2: you've just committed.
Speaker 1: A crime, like, Okay, this sucks, but yeah.
Speaker 2: This young Lindy has no idea why she's being handcuffed,
Speaker 2: especially in light of the other person involved, the other
Speaker 2: perpetrator of the non crime that happened, being the one
Speaker 2: instructing the police. If you and I get into an
Speaker 2: argument and the cops show up, you shouldn't just be
Speaker 2: able to tell them arrest this man and the police listen, right,
Speaker 2: except if this man looks like Ramses and I am
Speaker 2: less mellanated, that outcome might actually play out that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, arrest him. He did this to me. Well, now
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in handcuffs on the side of the road.
Speaker 1: You know, you and I watched the video. Remember there
Speaker 1: was two children fighting in the mall, show up and
Speaker 1: they have to git one of the They sit the
Speaker 1: white kid down like wait here, and then they tackle
Speaker 1: and the rest of black kid. Yeah, and he gets to.
Speaker 2: Watch as a bystander or an audience. These kids were
Speaker 2: doing this whatever, the same thing. They were both the
Speaker 2: perpetrators of it, right, but by nature of just appearance,
Speaker 2: the black kid gets to be the criminal here. I
Speaker 2: want criminal element, if you.
Speaker 1: Will, I want to I want to say something and
Speaker 1: speak to that story. If I remember correctly, that white
Speaker 1: child did actually speak out against that behavior. I thought
Speaker 1: that was very important that he did that. And his
Speaker 1: name is not in front of me right now, of course,
Speaker 1: but it is possible to call out racism even if
Speaker 1: it benefits you, and he did that in that moment.
Speaker 1: Now let's get you through this story here. So again,
Speaker 1: my source material is bi innews dot com, so be
Speaker 1: sure to check that out. I've got a lot of
Speaker 1: great stories up there for me. Winston Salem University officials
Speaker 1: are speaking out after video showed the classroom arrest of
Speaker 1: a student who said she was detained for not apologizing
Speaker 1: to a white professor. Haley Gingles, I believe it is,
Speaker 1: a spokesperson for the HBCU told CNN that the now
Speaker 1: viral incident unfolded after quote what appears to be a
Speaker 1: disagreement over a class assignment between a WSSU student identified
Speaker 1: as Layla Marie on social media and a professor believed
Speaker 1: to be doctor Cynthia Villagomes. The university did not confirm
Speaker 1: their identities in a video widely circulated online, two police
Speaker 1: officers appear to handcuff the student as she repeatedly yells
Speaker 1: I hate you at her professor, mental health, anyone overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: You know, these are students in the world is crumbling
Speaker 1: around them.
Speaker 2: Angry that my police is my teacher, sorry, is weaponizing
Speaker 2: the police against me?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then what do you do?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: You're the worst teacher ever. You get me taken out
Speaker 1: in handcuffs because I won't apologize, the student says per
Speaker 1: the video. Because I won't apologize, you started yelling at me.
Speaker 1: You tried to embarrass me about my paper. Following the incident,
Speaker 1: Marie took to Instagram to detail the events leading up
Speaker 1: to the arrest. The WSSU students said Villa Gomez informed
Speaker 1: her that a group assignment she completed was done incorrectly
Speaker 1: and needed revising just six hours before she was set
Speaker 1: to present it in front of the class. Marie refused
Speaker 1: to revise the project in the short timeframe, She said
Speaker 1: on Instagram. She came to class frustrated but ready to
Speaker 1: present the project as is. Phila Gomez said presenting the
Speaker 1: unrevised project would greatly impact her grade, which prompted a
Speaker 1: shouting match between the two, according to Marie. The university's chancellor,
Speaker 1: Elwood Robinson, released a letter addressed the arrest quote. We
Speaker 1: understand that the weaponization of police is a prevalent problem
Speaker 1: in our community. However, that is not what happened in
Speaker 1: this incident, Robinson wrote. We know the situation has caused
Speaker 1: a great deal of trauma to those involved and our
Speaker 1: campus community at large, but please know that every available
Speaker 1: resource is being extended to bring a resolution goes on.
Speaker 1: We know you want immediate answers, he continued in the letter, However,
Speaker 1: the speed of our processes does not match the speed
Speaker 1: of social media. Ultimately, we are committed to ensuring due
Speaker 1: diligence and fairness. We do ask for your patients as
Speaker 1: we must take the necessary time to ensure the safety
Speaker 1: of everyone involved. Disciplinary actions against the student quote will
Speaker 1: be under review at a later time, the WSSU spokesperson said.
Speaker 1: As for the professor, Gingle said, she is very emotional
Speaker 1: and shaken by all this. There have been several threats
Speaker 1: to her safety, which of course are cause for alarm. Now,
Speaker 1: I know that we live in a world that does
Speaker 1: not that does not here to heed the sensitivities of
Speaker 1: really anyone, but in particular marginalized people's individuals might be
Speaker 1: able to heed those sensitivities, you know. And I've seen
Speaker 1: in recent years movements toward understanding, acknowledging, accounting for, and
Speaker 1: even celebrating our individualities, our individual individualities. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if that's I'm saying that right, but I've seen me
Speaker 1: too movement, and I've seen the world move a little
Speaker 1: bit closer to being kinder to our sisters, our wives,
Speaker 1: our daughters, et cetera. Obviously, the Black Lives Matter movement
Speaker 1: where we were protesting for police reform, you know, in
Speaker 1: my mind, that started with actually in truth in fact,
Speaker 1: it started with Trayvon Martin, and it picked up steam
Speaker 1: with Colin Kaepernick, and then it went fully global upon
Speaker 1: the death of George Floyd. So we've seen the world
Speaker 1: understand that there is a little bit more than just there. There.
Speaker 1: There may be some consequences, you know, there there's going
Speaker 1: to be people that will stand up right, but for
Speaker 1: the most part, the world does not really care about
Speaker 1: our individual issues, our individual sensitivities. And I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody on planet Earth gets ignored or overlooked more than
Speaker 1: black women. With that said, that in and of itself
Speaker 1: could create lots of things that we might need to
Speaker 1: be sensitive too. Right, no matter what, no matter what
Speaker 1: you say, a black woman is your mom. At some
Speaker 1: point in your history you would not be here. But
Speaker 1: it's not for her. That is as close to God
Speaker 1: as you will ever be on this earth, in this realm.
Speaker 1: Make sure I say that, right, that's in everybody to help.
Speaker 1: But hopefully you understand what I'm what I'm saying here,
Speaker 1: and you know, as a result, it is possible for
Speaker 1: there to be disagreements. It is possible for you know,
Speaker 1: black women to have be fed up, have their Rosa
Speaker 1: Parks moment, have that you know what I'm just not
Speaker 1: this is it take me to jail? Not saying that
Speaker 1: that's what this uh the student said, but standing your
Speaker 1: ground enough is enough. That is something that we see
Speaker 1: a lot of times. Black women in particular, they have
Speaker 1: to get to that point. And if you're not sensitive
Speaker 1: to all the other pressures that go into being a
Speaker 1: black woman, then you might look at this just like
Speaker 1: another angry black woman, not fully appreciating what it means
Speaker 1: to live in that skin, to live in that body
Speaker 1: to live in a world that does not appreciate what
Speaker 1: it is that that person has to offer fully right. Oftentimes,
Speaker 1: what it is that person has to offer is stolen
Speaker 1: from her, used by other groups, not she's not credited
Speaker 1: for it, and in fact, she's punished for it when
Speaker 1: it is her most authentic self.
Speaker 2: And this starts when our black women are very young.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, from the creativity they create
Speaker 2: on social media as children. You know, the most popular
Speaker 2: dances and TikTok crazes start with young black queens. Right,
Speaker 2: someone less mellanated and more popular makes it famous and
Speaker 2: gets all the credit. There's no shout out, there's no tag,
Speaker 2: there's no nothing. You know, these young black creators, these
Speaker 2: young black women, turning these platforms into billion dollar platforms
Speaker 2: just off of their innate ingenuity, style.
Speaker 1: And talent.
Speaker 2: Having those things, as you said, stolen and taken away
Speaker 2: and in cases where not only are things stolen and
Speaker 2: taken away and credit given somewhere else, but I bring
Speaker 2: up children because they'll get in trouble for things that
Speaker 2: other kids will get celebrated for.
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? It's listen, man, go to fan base,
Speaker 1: get the app okay, fan base. If you really want
Speaker 1: to push back against that phenomenon that happens on social media,
Speaker 1: get fan base on your phone and follow Civic Cipher
Speaker 1: will be your friend. But yeah, so what do you
Speaker 1: do in a situation like this? I think it starts
Speaker 1: with recognizing that police in your world that's not the
Speaker 1: same as police in our world. The police may be
Speaker 1: the good guys in your story and in our story, oftentimes,
Speaker 1: at best, they are the people that we simply need
Speaker 1: to avoid. At best, oftentimes I don't know that there
Speaker 1: are many black people that look at police like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, let me go run, Like if you're a firefighter. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: firefighters are cool, you know what I mean? Like they
Speaker 1: put out fires, you know that sort of thing. Police
Speaker 1: is like you have a gun. You know, this is
Speaker 1: you stay ready to end someone's life that that energy
Speaker 1: is not. And then often enough, the people, or rather
Speaker 1: disproportionately and unfairly, the people often look like me. So
Speaker 1: using the police to deal with situations that don't require
Speaker 1: police presence is something that we should be mindful of.
Speaker 1: We should be mindful that black women are not a
Speaker 1: threat in a way that requires a criminal response. Who's
Speaker 1: to say what the right thing is, but I can
Speaker 1: definitely tell you what the wrong thing is. Right. So
Speaker 1: we're all figuring out how to get through life together, right,
Speaker 1: And we're all figuring out day to day, using our
Speaker 1: own creativity, what are the best practices for ourselves and
Speaker 1: for each other as brothers and sisters. But I can
Speaker 1: say that calling the police on black women for anything
Speaker 1: sort of legitimate criminal activity is a flagrant overreach and
Speaker 1: the amount of scarring that that has not just on
Speaker 1: that woman, but on a classroom full of women that
Speaker 1: saw it and all of us that saw it too.
Speaker 2: Perpetual trauma, and it's a disregard for their physical and
Speaker 2: mental well being. We see the outcomes, Yeah right. I
Speaker 2: think one of the students even said when they were
Speaker 2: being interviewed.
Speaker 1: We watched the news.
Speaker 2: We see how this plays out. Why would we even
Speaker 2: play in those waters?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, That's I think that's a better way to
Speaker 1: say it. It's a It's strange because far be from
Speaker 1: me to say, listen, if a person is black, they
Speaker 1: should be able to walk all over you. Absolutely not right,
Speaker 1: but maybe listen to what they're saying, you know, and
Speaker 1: if you can't reach an agreement, you don't go for
Speaker 1: the most extreme response, especially when that response has a
Speaker 1: drastic impact and the ripple effect goes well beyond the individual.
Speaker 1: And again, I think that a lot of times, less
Speaker 1: mellanated individuals are accustomed to calling the police just to
Speaker 1: deal with stuff that they don't want to deal with
Speaker 1: and anything that is not going their way. It's like
Speaker 1: Karen Energy, well, if it's not going my way, I'm
Speaker 1: going to call the police. The police are here to
Speaker 1: serve my interest and represent me. And again for black women,
Speaker 1: it's like this is why would you call the police
Speaker 1: on me? Do you want me to die?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And instance is where law enforcements should have nothing
Speaker 2: to do with the interaction two people handling a private issue.
Speaker 2: You grab the shopping cart before I did, or vice versa,
Speaker 2: you got the marking spot before me.
Speaker 1: The police shouldn't be called here, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And just again something to bear in mind, especially when
Speaker 1: you're dealing with black women. I think though, above all,
Speaker 1: if a black woman is that angry black woman, they've
Speaker 1: been through some stuff, it's probably best to just listen
Speaker 1: and then try to operate from that space. I think
Speaker 1: if you do that everybody has a chance of ending
Speaker 1: up with better outcomes. So I guess i'd like to
Speaker 1: thank you all for tuning in the Civiccer once again.
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