WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 122422 Black Student Arrested for Not Apologizing to White Professor (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>I am q Ward.

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<v Speaker 2>You are now tuned in to Civic.

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<v Speaker 1>more because we got a little bit more for you.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to be spending some time talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the Winston Salem State University student who was arrested in

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<v Speaker 1>a viral video after refusing to apologize to her professor. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is a lot, and uh We're also going to

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<v Speaker 2>Unfair, that's a good place to start. Yeah, unfair is

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<v Speaker 2>a good place to start. It is a gross characterization

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<v Speaker 2>used to legitimize unfair treatment, used to legitimize subjugation, used

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<v Speaker 2>to legitimize hyper marginalization. Whatever you want to categorize it

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<v Speaker 2>as right, the other ring of people. Let's paint a

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<v Speaker 2>picture right, uncivilized and smart, uneducated, unable to properly communicate,

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<v Speaker 2>so that I can justify the disrespect that will follow

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<v Speaker 2>me identifying her as angry black woman.

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<v Speaker 1>But go on, no, no, well said, I love that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot going on here. Now I need to

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<v Speaker 1>say this. This is a historically black college, right, That's

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<v Speaker 1>what HBCU stands for, Historically Black College and University, Winston

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<v Speaker 1>Salem University. The teacher is or it looks visibly Caucasian white, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I want to be as fair as I

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<v Speaker 1>can be. Right, So, if you are a white teacher

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<v Speaker 1>at a historically black college and university, there's already some

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<v Speaker 1>things that I might give you the benefit of the doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>for I might not think that you harbor as much

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<v Speaker 1>in the way of traditional racism as a person who

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<v Speaker 1>might be employed at a non HBCU campus. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, if you're white but you work at

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<v Speaker 1>an HBCU, you might kind of know what's up. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But we've talked about this on the show before. It

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<v Speaker 1>is possible for black people to be white supremacists. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible for anybody short of that to at least

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<v Speaker 1>weaponize the system against black people in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>causes harm of a particular variety to that group, To

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<v Speaker 1>our group. Two black women okay, so of course I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go through and read everything to you. But in short,

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<v Speaker 1>what we have is a student and a teacher have

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<v Speaker 1>a disagreement. Student is black, teacher is white. The teacher

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<v Speaker 1>insists that the student apologize. The student insists that the

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<v Speaker 1>teacher apologize. The teacher asked the student to leave or apologize,

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<v Speaker 1>and the student refuses to leave and refuses to apologize

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<v Speaker 1>and is awaiting her apology. There's a back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone calls the police. I don't even believe it was

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<v Speaker 1>that teacher in particular, but someone else called the police,

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<v Speaker 1>please show up and arrest the student, and that's when

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<v Speaker 1>the video picks up. So if you have seen this video,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what this is the part that you're seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>When the student is arrested and you can see her face,

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<v Speaker 1>you start to realize this, this is not right. It's

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<v Speaker 1>that same feeling that you get in your stomach when

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<v Speaker 1>you see the police show up and arrest even little kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've talked about videos or the police come to

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<v Speaker 1>elementary schools and arrest seven year olds, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. We've talked about how SRO student Resource officers

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<v Speaker 1>help fortify the school to prison pipeline, because it's simply

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of it becomes criminal rather than you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just being disciplinary. Right, because we recognize that some students,

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<v Speaker 1>you know their rules, and you know there has to

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<v Speaker 1>be some structure. There has to be adherence to a

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<v Speaker 1>set of rules and standards. There has to be hierarchy

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<v Speaker 1>and respect and so forth in order for things to function.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you go against that, then you set a

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<v Speaker 1>precedent that other people could follow. You lose your authority

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<v Speaker 1>and your capacity to teach, and then what are you

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<v Speaker 1>really doing at the end of the day. But the

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<v Speaker 1>overreach when it involves police who are tasked with dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with criminal activity, and often I have sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>bully mentality, god complex, that sort of thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And even if the individual officers don't, that element often

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<v Speaker 1>brings that that with it. Right, you start to see like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really love how this looks. I don't love this.

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<v Speaker 1>This shouldn't be happening. There's got to be there's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be a better way to deal with this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>when it happens.

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<v Speaker 2>And ironically, she doesn't just look because nobody looks happy

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<v Speaker 2>being arrested, right, she she doesn't just look unhappy they're upset.

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<v Speaker 2>She looks confused, right, like you at least understand when

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<v Speaker 2>you've just committed.

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<v Speaker 1>A crime, like, Okay, this sucks, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This young Lindy has no idea why she's being handcuffed,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in light of the other person involved, the other

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<v Speaker 2>perpetrator of the non crime that happened, being the one

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<v Speaker 2>instructing the police. If you and I get into an

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<v Speaker 2>argument and the cops show up, you shouldn't just be

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<v Speaker 2>able to tell them arrest this man and the police listen, right,

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<v Speaker 2>except if this man looks like Ramses and I am

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<v Speaker 2>less mellanated, that outcome might actually play out that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, arrest him. He did this to me. Well, now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting in handcuffs on the side of the road.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you and I watched the video. Remember there

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<v Speaker 1>was two children fighting in the mall, show up and

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<v Speaker 1>they have to git one of the They sit the

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<v Speaker 1>white kid down like wait here, and then they tackle

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest of black kid. Yeah, and he gets to.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch as a bystander or an audience. These kids were

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<v Speaker 2>doing this whatever, the same thing. They were both the

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<v Speaker 2>perpetrators of it, right, but by nature of just appearance,

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<v Speaker 2>the black kid gets to be the criminal here. I

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<v Speaker 2>want criminal element, if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Will, I want to I want to say something and

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<v Speaker 1>speak to that story. If I remember correctly, that white

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<v Speaker 1>child did actually speak out against that behavior. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was very important that he did that. And his

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<v Speaker 1>name is not in front of me right now, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is possible to call out racism even if

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<v Speaker 1>it benefits you, and he did that in that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's get you through this story here. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>my source material is bi innews dot com, so be

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<v Speaker 1>sure to check that out. I've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>great stories up there for me. Winston Salem University officials

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<v Speaker 1>are speaking out after video showed the classroom arrest of

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<v Speaker 1>a student who said she was detained for not apologizing

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<v Speaker 1>to a white professor. Haley Gingles, I believe it is,

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<v Speaker 1>a spokesperson for the HBCU told CNN that the now

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<v Speaker 1>viral incident unfolded after quote what appears to be a

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<v Speaker 1>disagreement over a class assignment between a WSSU student identified

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<v Speaker 1>as Layla Marie on social media and a professor believed

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<v Speaker 1>to be doctor Cynthia Villagomes. The university did not confirm

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<v Speaker 1>their identities in a video widely circulated online, two police

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<v Speaker 1>officers appear to handcuff the student as she repeatedly yells

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<v Speaker 1>I hate you at her professor, mental health, anyone overwhelmed.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, these are students in the world is crumbling

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<v Speaker 1>around them.

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<v Speaker 2>Angry that my police is my teacher, sorry, is weaponizing

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<v Speaker 2>the police against me?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and then what do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>You're the worst teacher ever. You get me taken out

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<v Speaker 1>in handcuffs because I won't apologize, the student says per

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<v Speaker 1>the video. Because I won't apologize, you started yelling at me.

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<v Speaker 1>You tried to embarrass me about my paper. Following the incident,

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<v Speaker 1>Marie took to Instagram to detail the events leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to the arrest. The WSSU students said Villa Gomez informed

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<v Speaker 1>her that a group assignment she completed was done incorrectly

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<v Speaker 1>and needed revising just six hours before she was set

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<v Speaker 1>to present it in front of the class. Marie refused

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<v Speaker 1>to revise the project in the short timeframe, She said

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram. She came to class frustrated but ready to

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<v Speaker 1>present the project as is. Phila Gomez said presenting the

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<v Speaker 1>unrevised project would greatly impact her grade, which prompted a

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<v Speaker 1>shouting match between the two, according to Marie. The university's chancellor,

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<v Speaker 1>Elwood Robinson, released a letter addressed the arrest quote. We

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<v Speaker 1>understand that the weaponization of police is a prevalent problem

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<v Speaker 1>in our community. However, that is not what happened in

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<v Speaker 1>this incident, Robinson wrote. We know the situation has caused

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<v Speaker 1>a great deal of trauma to those involved and our

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<v Speaker 1>campus community at large, but please know that every available

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<v Speaker 1>resource is being extended to bring a resolution goes on.

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<v Speaker 1>We know you want immediate answers, he continued in the letter, However,

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<v Speaker 1>the speed of our processes does not match the speed

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<v Speaker 1>of social media. Ultimately, we are committed to ensuring due

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<v Speaker 1>diligence and fairness. We do ask for your patients as

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<v Speaker 1>we must take the necessary time to ensure the safety

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<v Speaker 1>of everyone involved. Disciplinary actions against the student quote will

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<v Speaker 1>be under review at a later time, the WSSU spokesperson said.

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<v Speaker 1>As for the professor, Gingle said, she is very emotional

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<v Speaker 1>and shaken by all this. There have been several threats

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<v Speaker 1>to her safety, which of course are cause for alarm. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that we live in a world that does

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<v Speaker 1>not that does not here to heed the sensitivities of

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<v Speaker 1>really anyone, but in particular marginalized people's individuals might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to heed those sensitivities, you know. And I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>in recent years movements toward understanding, acknowledging, accounting for, and

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<v Speaker 1>even celebrating our individualities, our individual individualities. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>if that's I'm saying that right, but I've seen me

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<v Speaker 1>too movement, and I've seen the world move a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit closer to being kinder to our sisters, our wives,

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<v Speaker 1>our daughters, et cetera. Obviously, the Black Lives Matter movement

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<v Speaker 1>where we were protesting for police reform, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, that started with actually in truth in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>it started with Trayvon Martin, and it picked up steam

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<v Speaker 1>with Colin Kaepernick, and then it went fully global upon

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<v Speaker 1>the death of George Floyd. So we've seen the world

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<v Speaker 1>understand that there is a little bit more than just there. There.

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<v Speaker 1>There may be some consequences, you know, there there's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be people that will stand up right, but for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part, the world does not really care about

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<v Speaker 1>our individual issues, our individual sensitivities. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>anybody on planet Earth gets ignored or overlooked more than

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<v Speaker 1>black women. With that said, that in and of itself

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<v Speaker 1>could create lots of things that we might need to

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<v Speaker 1>be sensitive too. Right, no matter what, no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>you say, a black woman is your mom. At some

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<v Speaker 1>point in your history you would not be here. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's not for her. That is as close to God

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<v Speaker 1>as you will ever be on this earth, in this realm.

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<v Speaker 1>Make sure I say that, right, that's in everybody to help.

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<v Speaker 1>But hopefully you understand what I'm what I'm saying here,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, as a result, it is possible for

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<v Speaker 1>there to be disagreements. It is possible for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>black women to have be fed up, have their Rosa

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<v Speaker 1>Parks moment, have that you know what I'm just not

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<v Speaker 1>this is it take me to jail? Not saying that

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<v Speaker 1>that's what this uh the student said, but standing your

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<v Speaker 1>ground enough is enough. That is something that we see

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times. Black women in particular, they have

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<v Speaker 1>to get to that point. And if you're not sensitive

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<v Speaker 1>to all the other pressures that go into being a

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<v Speaker 1>black woman, then you might look at this just like

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<v Speaker 1>another angry black woman, not fully appreciating what it means

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<v Speaker 1>to live in that skin, to live in that body

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<v Speaker 1>to live in a world that does not appreciate what

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<v Speaker 1>it is that that person has to offer fully right. Oftentimes,

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<v Speaker 1>what it is that person has to offer is stolen

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<v Speaker 1>from her, used by other groups, not she's not credited

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<v Speaker 1>for it, and in fact, she's punished for it when

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<v Speaker 1>it is her most authentic self.

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<v Speaker 2>And this starts when our black women are very young.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean, from the creativity they create

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<v Speaker 2>on social media as children. You know, the most popular

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<v Speaker 2>dances and TikTok crazes start with young black queens. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>someone less mellanated and more popular makes it famous and

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<v Speaker 2>gets all the credit. There's no shout out, there's no tag,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no nothing. You know, these young black creators, these

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<v Speaker 2>young black women, turning these platforms into billion dollar platforms

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<v Speaker 2>just off of their innate ingenuity, style.

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<v Speaker 1>And talent.

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<v Speaker 2>Having those things, as you said, stolen and taken away

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<v Speaker 2>and in cases where not only are things stolen and

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<v Speaker 2>taken away and credit given somewhere else, but I bring

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<v Speaker 2>up children because they'll get in trouble for things that

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<v Speaker 2>other kids will get celebrated for.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that crazy? It's listen, man, go to fan base,

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<v Speaker 1>get the app okay, fan base. If you really want

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<v Speaker 1>to push back against that phenomenon that happens on social media,

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<v Speaker 1>get fan base on your phone and follow Civic Cipher

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<v Speaker 1>will be your friend. But yeah, so what do you

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<v Speaker 1>do in a situation like this? I think it starts

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<v Speaker 1>with recognizing that police in your world that's not the

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<v Speaker 1>same as police in our world. The police may be

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<v Speaker 1>the good guys in your story and in our story, oftentimes,

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<v Speaker 1>at best, they are the people that we simply need

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid. At best, oftentimes I don't know that there

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<v Speaker 1>are many black people that look at police like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, let me go run, Like if you're a firefighter. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>firefighters are cool, you know what I mean? Like they

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<v Speaker 1>put out fires, you know that sort of thing. Police

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<v Speaker 1>is like you have a gun. You know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>you stay ready to end someone's life that that energy

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<v Speaker 1>is not. And then often enough, the people, or rather

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<v Speaker 1>disproportionately and unfairly, the people often look like me. So

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<v Speaker 1>using the police to deal with situations that don't require

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<v Speaker 1>police presence is something that we should be mindful of.

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<v Speaker 1>We should be mindful that black women are not a

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<v Speaker 1>threat in a way that requires a criminal response. Who's

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<v Speaker 1>to say what the right thing is, but I can

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<v Speaker 1>definitely tell you what the wrong thing is. Right. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're all figuring out how to get through life together, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And we're all figuring out day to day, using our

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<v Speaker 1>own creativity, what are the best practices for ourselves and

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<v Speaker 1>for each other as brothers and sisters. But I can

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<v Speaker 1>say that calling the police on black women for anything

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<v Speaker 1>sort of legitimate criminal activity is a flagrant overreach and

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of scarring that that has not just on

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<v Speaker 1>that woman, but on a classroom full of women that

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<v Speaker 1>saw it and all of us that saw it too.

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<v Speaker 2>Perpetual trauma, and it's a disregard for their physical and

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<v Speaker 2>mental well being. We see the outcomes, Yeah right. I

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<v Speaker 2>think one of the students even said when they were

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<v Speaker 2>being interviewed.

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<v Speaker 1>We watched the news.

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<v Speaker 2>We see how this plays out. Why would we even

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<v Speaker 2>play in those waters?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, That's I think that's a better way to

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<v Speaker 1>say it. It's a It's strange because far be from

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<v Speaker 1>me to say, listen, if a person is black, they

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<v Speaker 1>should be able to walk all over you. Absolutely not right,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe listen to what they're saying, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't reach an agreement, you don't go for

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<v Speaker 1>the most extreme response, especially when that response has a

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<v Speaker 1>drastic impact and the ripple effect goes well beyond the individual.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, I think that a lot of times, less

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<v Speaker 1>mellanated individuals are accustomed to calling the police just to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with stuff that they don't want to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>and anything that is not going their way. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>Karen Energy, well, if it's not going my way, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to call the police. The police are here to

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<v Speaker 1>serve my interest and represent me. And again for black women,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like this is why would you call the police

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<v Speaker 1>on me? Do you want me to die?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And instance is where law enforcements should have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with the interaction two people handling a private issue.

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<v Speaker 2>You grab the shopping cart before I did, or vice versa,

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<v Speaker 2>you got the marking spot before me.

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<v Speaker 1>The police shouldn't be called here, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>And just again something to bear in mind, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>you're dealing with black women. I think though, above all,

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<v Speaker 1>if a black woman is that angry black woman, they've

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<v Speaker 1>been through some stuff, it's probably best to just listen

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<v Speaker 1>and then try to operate from that space. I think

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<v Speaker 1>if you do that everybody has a chance of ending

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<v Speaker 1>up with better outcomes. So I guess i'd like to

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