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Speaker 1: What's going on? DJ, Bucky back here on Move the

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Speaker 1: can you can land some of those players that are

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Speaker 1: later draft picks and not that at that expensive as

433
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Speaker 1: free agents that are gonna you know, contribute and some

434
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Speaker 1: even start. So again, it's it's a very uh, it

435
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Speaker 1: takes a lot of creative work in my mind, you know, TV,

436
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Speaker 1: because you have been in Atlanta for going on twelve years.

437
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Speaker 1: You want the rare general managers that is being able

438
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Speaker 1: to build a team with a quarterback on a rookie deal,

439
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Speaker 1: build a team with a quarterback on a big money deal,

440
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Speaker 1: and then build them on a second big money deal.

441
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Speaker 1: What changes with each phase when it comes to paying

442
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Speaker 1: the quarterback? How do you build it when you have

443
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Speaker 1: a guy that is quote unquote on the cheap. How

444
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Speaker 1: do you build it when you then have to pay

445
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Speaker 1: the quarterback? What are the differences? Well, I again, I've

446
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 1: had people tell me, like, you know, that idea of

447
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Speaker 1: you know, why don't you just have the young quarterback

448
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 1: and then when it's time you're getting close and let

449
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Speaker 1: that quarterback go. That's obviously ridiculous, Bucky, at least in

450
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Speaker 1: my mind. I hope Cyberst no, not us. No, No,

451
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 1: look I I really, I mean, look, in the end

452
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Speaker 1: it comes. You know, we're we're going to go as

453
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Speaker 1: a quarterback goes in this league. And they can be different.

454
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Speaker 1: They can be different makeups, right, they could be different styles,

455
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Speaker 1: different athleticisms, different arm strengths, minds. But you have to

456
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Speaker 1: have the person who's gonna lead the football team. And

457
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: and that's how not only does your offense follow your

458
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Speaker 1: your quarterback, but of course your defense does as well.

459
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Speaker 1: So I can sit there and go round a round

460
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Speaker 1: about it. And quite honest, when we go back to

461
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Speaker 1: thinking about our our deal with Matt Ryan at thirty

462
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: million dollars and and and people complaining before that happened.

463
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Speaker 1: And I remember saying to him in our b side

464
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Speaker 1: discussions with him as well as with his agent, as

465
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Speaker 1: well as with our you know, with Dan Quinn and

466
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Speaker 1: and and Arthur Blank, our owner, I said, look, um,

467
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Speaker 1: in the end, we can sit there and fight this

468
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Speaker 1: and and and and try to pay you know, Matt

469
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Speaker 1: twenty nine and a quarter and that that's not gonna

470
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Speaker 1: happen because you and I both know within two, three

471
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Speaker 1: or four months, you know, he's no longer gonna be

472
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Speaker 1: the top paid quarterbacks. So we are really really big

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Speaker 1: in this organization. And thanks to Arthur Blank, this is

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Speaker 1: about market value and we won't we won't battle that.

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Speaker 1: We We are very i think, very mindful of that

476
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Speaker 1: and very cognizant of how we approach it. And whether

477
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Speaker 1: it's the market value for the coach's contract or the

478
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Speaker 1: quarterback contract or the receiver contract, that is a really

479
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Speaker 1: big part of how we approach it, you know, financially here,

480
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Speaker 1: and again we're very fortunate with that that we're not

481
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Speaker 1: fighting that, and that's something that you know, I think

482
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Speaker 1: the players feel here as well. They know that they

483
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Speaker 1: are going to be treated right, and we are definitely

484
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Speaker 1: in a win, win and and sort of fair approach

485
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Speaker 1: than to our negotiations within this organization. I love seeing

486
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Speaker 1: a team in an organization that's going for it and

487
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Speaker 1: not trying to do anything on the cheap uh t D.

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Speaker 1: I remember growing up somebody told me it might even

489
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Speaker 1: have been in church, but they said, if you ask

490
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Speaker 1: the priorities of a man, look at his checkbook and

491
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Speaker 1: that'll tell you where his priorities lie. And when I

492
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Speaker 1: look at the way you've built this roster, especially over

493
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Speaker 1: this offseason, what you did in the draft with Lyndstrom

494
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Speaker 1: and McGary as first round picks on that offensive line

495
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Speaker 1: is I'm looking at it now, there's an opportunity next year.

496
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Speaker 1: You tried out five first round picks on your offensive line,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just curious if you paying attention to what's

498
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Speaker 1: going on around the rest of the league. Now you

499
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Speaker 1: see something that the Colts did last year where they

500
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Speaker 1: kind of doubled down at that offensive line position and

501
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: the impact it had there with Andrew Luck, what was

502
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Speaker 1: the thought process with you really going hard after that

503
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Speaker 1: offensive line? You know we were thinking last years as

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Speaker 1: we came into the season. We were excited. We thought

505
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Speaker 1: we had one of the you know, uh maybe in

506
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Speaker 1: the top pen ranked offensive lines. We were we were

507
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Speaker 1: excited about it. Unfortunately, uh, you know, we had injuries

508
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Speaker 1: to our starters right off the bat, and and that

509
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Speaker 1: put us in a situation where we were digging into

510
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Speaker 1: our depth. And unfortunately we we had some struggles there.

511
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Speaker 1: And I remember telling Arthur this year and Dan Quinn

512
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Speaker 1: and we all talked about it and said, look, we

513
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Speaker 1: will hopefully never be in a situation where where we

514
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Speaker 1: lost our starters and we were in a spot where

515
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Speaker 1: we just didn't have, you know, the depth that we needed.

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Speaker 1: And so I had mentioned Arthur this year, I said, look,

517
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Speaker 1: you know, we are going to acquire too in free agent.

518
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Speaker 1: See at least two in free agency, we thought, and

519
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Speaker 1: we were gonna pay significant money. We thought we were

520
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Speaker 1: smart with our our our our money and our acquisitions

521
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Speaker 1: with Jamon Brown and James Carpenter. They were two guys

522
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Speaker 1: with with with good experience, and we felt and I

523
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Speaker 1: also told Arthur during that whole acquisition period, I said,

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Speaker 1: and understand, this will not dis wait us one bit

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Speaker 1: from acquiring in the first three rounds potentially two offensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: you know, young offensive lineman that we can build, and

527
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Speaker 1: we're going to put together the five best that we

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Speaker 1: can possibly put together, you know, within our world, is

529
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Speaker 1: within our range and and and financial scope that we

530
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Speaker 1: thought that you know, present Matt with the best protection

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Speaker 1: that we could have. So I said to Arthur, I said,

532
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Speaker 1: by having the veterans in here, you know, acquiring the

533
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Speaker 1: veterans along with the young guys coming in, we're gonna

534
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Speaker 1: have a good mix. And and whoever the five best

535
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Speaker 1: are are going to be the five best. If that's

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Speaker 1: young guys or if that's the veteran guys, we are

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Speaker 1: going to have them on this team. And we were

538
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Speaker 1: gonna feel very strongly about going into this season with

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Speaker 1: protection of you know, Matt Ryan. So it was a

540
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Speaker 1: very strong drive and it was one of those things

541
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Speaker 1: in the past few years that we've thought, well, I

542
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: don't know if you can necessarily acquire you know, young

543
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Speaker 1: talent because of the way that the work rules are

544
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: that you need veterans within your offensive line. So we've

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Speaker 1: done that as well. Um, but we do believe with

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Speaker 1: with our acquisition of these two young young players this

547
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: year and that you would reference I mean, you know

548
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: both Lindstrom and McGary. Those guys are tough, hard nosed guys,

549
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: and when they crossed the line, they're very respectful. But

550
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Speaker 1: when they crossed the line onto the field, they're competing

551
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: every day, every minute with you know, the veterans on

552
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Speaker 1: our offensive line, and again we feel that that's going

553
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Speaker 1: to put together the best offensive line possible. You know,

554
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: TD I have another um kind of like bird's eye

555
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: view questions when it comes to team building. Uh, there's

556
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Speaker 1: some that subscribe to the theory. This is kind of

557
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Speaker 1: the old Indianapolis cos theory where when you have the

558
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Speaker 1: big time quarterback, you commit all of your big resources

559
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Speaker 1: to offense and then you draft and develop your defense.

560
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Speaker 1: And so when I look at your team, you kind

561
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: of fall a little bit in that with Julio Jones

562
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: and Calvin Riley, and you have Mohammasan new We just

563
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: talked about the offensive line and Matt Ryan, but then

564
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Speaker 1: on defense you kind of have a bunch of young

565
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: I heard you call them urgent athletes. Does that kind

566
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,479
Speaker 1: of play into the mix? They look, I'm gonna really

567
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: commit and build up my offense with my veteran quarterback,

568
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Speaker 1: and then I need to hit on these young draft

569
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Speaker 1: picks to build up this defense. Well, I I've referenced

570
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Speaker 1: your your your steam colleague over the years and in

571
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: Bill Poli, and I mean he is you know, I

572
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: have a great deal of respect for him and how

573
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Speaker 1: they did things, you know, back in the day. And

574
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Speaker 1: I know maybe that's heresy being involved with New England

575
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: as I was many years um, but but I will say,

576
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: you know, I learned so much from both of those

577
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: programs that I realized. Back to your your point on defense,

578
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Speaker 1: you know, we went out there when Dan got here

579
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Speaker 1: and we you know, we've acquired you know, Vic Beasley,

580
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: and we've acquired Tach McKinley. We've we've acquired safeties, we've

581
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: acquired linebackers. We have some some young corners as well,

582
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: So we are building You're exactly right, a young defense

583
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: that we feel can continue to grow. Unfortunately, again last

584
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: year we had two injuries up the middle there with

585
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: our safeties and our end our linebacker. They are back,

586
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Speaker 1: and you know, we continue to acquire in this year's

587
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: draft as well, you know, some defensive players that we

588
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: think can be eventual difference makers as well. So I

589
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: really like where we're going and you know from a

590
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: full scope, you know, offense where we put the money

591
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: of course young defense, but eventually we're gonna have to

592
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: be in a situation we're gonna where we are going

593
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: to be paying these defensive players, as you both know,

594
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be another element of being creative, right.

595
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be a really interesting to

596
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: watch our cycle over the next few years. I like

597
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: where we are defensively. I love the fact that Dan

598
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: Quinn is our defensive ordinator as well as well as

599
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: he will be focusing on on our defensive end. I

600
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be really good for our our football

601
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: team because he has so much passion and fire and

602
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 1: you will get the most urgency out of his defense.

603
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: I think with Dan at the helm, I think it's

604
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: gonna be one of the fastest defenses in the NFL

605
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: this year. Thomas, and You've you've got the offense, You've

606
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: invested in that offensive line, You've got a premier quarterback

607
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: and m v P caliber quarterback, uh there and Matt Ryan.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be a fun Falcons team uh to

609
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: watch in the upcoming season. Well, t d look, this

610
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: is your first day off and I know how precious

611
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: the time is in the off season. He gets shorter

612
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: and shorter each and every year. So for you to

613
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: carve out some time for us today, man, we uh,

614
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: we cannot thank you enough. It's it was great to

615
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: catch up with you. I will do this anytime you

616
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: guys want. Just just keep reaching out to the group

617
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: here because you guys and I look back. I don't

618
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: know if you've ever seen that with Bucky and I

619
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: did something on it was that about a year and

620
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: a half ago, a few years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,

621
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Speaker 1: I get people calling me on that every once in

622
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: a while. We had a good time with that, and

623
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: with good guys like you, guys who obviously know football

624
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: in and out. I really appreciate the time. Well. Buck

625
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: Thomas Dimitrof has been a good friend of ours for

626
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: a long time. He's always been good to the program

627
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: and and great to get his perspective on things. I

628
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: think he's he's obviously a very bright guy and I

629
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: always enjoy our chats. You always enjoy talking to TV

630
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: because he has done it a couple of different ways.

631
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: He's been with a few different organizations. But the way

632
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: he is gonna build the Atlanta Falcons. They had to

633
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: rebuild him after paying the quarterback. Didn't having to do

634
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: it one more time. I think he has a unique

635
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: perspective on the way uh, the team building philosophies have

636
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: changed in the national footballet, no doubt. Anytime you get

637
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to a general manager, it's always uh,

638
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: it's always a learning opportunity, and we will take those

639
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: every time we canet him. We're actually gonna have anothere here.

640
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna roll with John Robinson here in just a second,

641
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: But I want to talk about second year players here.

642
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: Why we got a minute buck Because we focus so

643
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: much on this rookie class and what can be expected there.

644
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: I think there's a year of second year players and

645
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: not not the court acts we've We've talked so much

646
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Speaker 1: about about Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, Sam Donald, Josh Allen,

647
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: that whole crew. Um, I'm looking at some players outside

648
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: that group that I would say the spotlight is on them,

649
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: the pressure is on them to have big years. I'm

650
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: gonna give you a couple that I've come up with

651
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: and I make just to see who you have in

652
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: the mix. I'm gonna start off with Ronald Jones. Uh

653
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: running back for the Tampa Buccaneers last year really got

654
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: nothing out of him coming out at USC. But everything

655
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: that you read and here in the off season buck Um,

656
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: it's that Ronald Jones has kind of taking that next

657
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: step which he absolutely has to take to get this

658
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: offense up and running. Here with Bruce Arians, DC, here's

659
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: the thing about Ronald Jones, Like we both were excited

660
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: about what he potensally could be coming out of SC.

661
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: He was a guy that could run it well on

662
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: the perimeter. He called the ball really will and I

663
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: thought in the offense in Tampa he would be a

664
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Speaker 1: nice fit. I think it's an even better fit for

665
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: him now with Bruce Arians seeing the work that he

666
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: was able to do with David Johnson, and Ronald Jones

667
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: can kind of earn the right to get on the field.

668
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: I do believe he could put a big numbers in

669
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Speaker 1: Arians offense. Yeah, he's a home run hitter, and I

670
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: think when you at that vertical passing game really really

671
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: rolling there in Tampa's Bruce Arians loves to do. I

672
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: think it's going to create some space and some opportunity there,

673
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: and I hope Ronald Jones that we saw Usc emerges

674
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: there for Tampa. Next one on the list Marcus Davenport. Look,

675
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: when you trade a future one a couple of picks

676
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: to go up there and get Marcus Davenport in a

677
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: win now mode that the Saints are in, you expect

678
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: big things. Unfortunately, he was injured a bunch of last year,

679
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: had a fight through a bunch of different things, and

680
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: it never really got to put all his skills on display.

681
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: We saw flashes of it. So how explosive he is.

682
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: But I think he stays healthy this year. He's had

683
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: some offseason surgery. Looks like he is healthy. He he

684
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't mentioned often, but you know Cam Jordan went

685
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: with von Miller that Pass Russia seminar that he does

686
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: and the guy going along with him Marcus Davenport. So

687
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport to me, always had the size, the explosiveness,

688
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: just very raw. He can develop a little more technique,

689
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: which you go to a place like that to acquire, uh,

690
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: some of those things. I think he's in for a

691
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: special year and really a lot of pressure on him

692
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: to produce. Cam Jordan on the opposite side, Uh, Marcus Davenport,

693
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: I think is due for a big year. Love Marcus

694
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: Davenport has to be uh, I got it. Emerges as

695
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: a complimentary rusher alongside Cameron Jordan. They invested a lot

696
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: in making sure that they could get him. Uh. Now

697
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: he has to kind of produce and delivered a kount

698
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: of numbers that they need. Especially when you're a team

699
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: that is playing with the lead. Their offense is always

700
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: able to kind of jump on opponents, so defensively they're

701
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: playing team dinner and catch up mode. They need pass

702
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: for USh to deck can affect the passer. You have

703
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: Cameron Jordan. They need Marcus Devenport to play at a

704
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: level you no doubt the last one for me and

705
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: then we'll get to your list here. But James Washington,

706
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: wide receiver at Oklahoma State, goes to Pittsburgh Steelers last year.

707
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: Then't really get a whole lot out of him. No,

708
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, I've been kind of singing the praises of

709
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: Dante Moncree from everything I've heard about him in the

710
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: off season. But James Washington is gonna have an opportunity

711
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: to make some more plays this year. They can't force

712
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: feed the ball to Juju Smith Schuster they're gonna try

713
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: and take him away defensively and that's going to create

714
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: some opportunities and need to see a big sophomore season

715
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: here for James Washington. Yeah, James Washington has to be

716
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: a guy that is a major factor. Uh. The Pittsburgh

717
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: Steelers have done probably are to be the best job

718
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: of developing your receivers, particularly those taken outside of the

719
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: first round. James Washington was expected to be a deep threat.

720
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: Now did you have ju Juice Smith Schuster position as

721
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: your number one? Someone has to emerge. He could be

722
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: the guy that could be the beneficiary of all the

723
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: attention now going to number nineteen, no doubt. All right,

724
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: let's get to your list here, Buck, give me a

725
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: couple of names. I'm gonna started this out with running

726
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: back how Bar Rashaw Penny from the Sattle Seahawks. Rashan

727
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: Penny was a surprise first round pick. Rashan Penny was

728
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: picked in the first round about the Seahawks because they

729
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: thought he could give them a tough runner between the

730
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: tack because we're also given him a big body pass catcher.

731
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: We didn't really get a chance to see him do much.

732
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: Had one one hundred yard game only had four hundred

733
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: yards on the year. We saw flashes, but we need

734
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: to see more consistency. I need to see him getting

735
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: the rotation and be a guy that kind of is

736
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: a steady, stabilizing force to the running game. He has

737
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: all the talent to a number one back. We need

738
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: to see a kind of play out this season. Deep

739
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: stable of backs and man, they really committed to running

740
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: the football last year. A lot of those six offensive

741
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: a linement on the field. Buck, I'd like to see

742
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: them open it up a little bit more. And I

743
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: think the the open game, I think it's gonna help

744
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: somebody like Shot Penney and hopefully we'll see him get rolling.

745
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: Who's next, I'm gonna go with Lamar Jackson, and look,

746
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is the rage because of the way that

747
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: he was able to kind of spark the Baltimore Ravens

748
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: uh down the stretch. However, he was exposed a little

749
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: bit in the playoffs. The lh Charges put six seven

750
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: dps on the field, kind of dared in the throw

751
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: and the Ravens didn't have an answer. Lamar Jackson has

752
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: to be prepared to deal with those kind of tactics.

753
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: What I like about the way he's positioned. Greg Roman

754
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: has really remade this offense from cutting down the verbage

755
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: to allowing them to do some read option stuff. So

756
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: even though they're not going to allow him to run more,

757
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that Paul Johnson, the former Georgia

758
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: Tech and Navy head coach, a guy who's a triple

759
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: option master, was around and available. I think they're gonna

760
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: have some creative things. I want to see Lamar Jackson

761
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: grow as a number one quarterback and see if he

762
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: can deliver big things for the Baltimore Ravens. You remember

763
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: when we were growing up, because we're about the same age,

764
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: and when they had those Do you ever see those

765
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: glasses they had for basketball where they keep out like

766
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: kind of only so you couldn't see the ball when

767
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: you dribbled the blinders. Yeah, that to me, you need

768
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: to get Lamar Jackson the offseason like blinders from the

769
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: middle of the field. Like he not allowed to throw

770
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. We're just gonna everything

771
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: to the outside. We're just gonna keep something and keep

772
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: throwing all these balls out to the outside so you

773
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: get a little more comfortable, a little more confident there. Yeah,

774
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: he has to do that. I would like to see

775
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: him really work on his footwork because I think a

776
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: lot of his issues are tied to his feet not

777
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: being um, improper alignment with his eyes, and where he

778
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: wants to go with the ball. If you can tighten

779
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: up his footwork, I believe he can be an improved pastor.

780
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't have big visions of him being a seventy

781
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: percent pastor, but I think if they can get him

782
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: to an acceptable level, maybe that could be enough for

783
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: this off has to have enough passing game balance to

784
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: really offset what they want to do with the run.

785
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: I'll give me one more people, how about Davin Brian

786
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: uh defensive tackle for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Jacksonville moved on

787
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: from Lak Jackson. They now have Uh an opening Brian

788
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: can come in and feel that. Boy, this is a

789
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: guy that is strong as an ox, has great athleticism.

790
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: He should be a guy that can dominate against the run.

791
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: Playing alongside Marcella Darius h Clay's campbell, he should be

792
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: a factor. This defense has to get back on track.

793
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: They gotta play like Saxonville, and part of being able

794
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: to play like Saxonville is stopping a run on early

795
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: down so they can pin their ears back and get

796
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: after the passer. Tavin Bryant has to be a part

797
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: of that. He has to be a key contributor as

798
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: a run defender. Yeah, a little bit of a bull

799
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: in a china shop man. He's explosive and for him

800
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: it's about locating the football and just making some more plays.

801
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: But the twitch, the explosiveness, Uh, it is absolutely there.

802
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: So those some second year players we're looking to have

803
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: big years. The spotlight is on them. We'll see what

804
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: they do. We've got a chance to talk to Thomas

805
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: to meetro Off a little bit earlier. Buck. Now we

806
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: can offer to talk to another one of our buddies,

807
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: the general manager of the Tennessee Titans. Here's our chat

808
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: with John Robinson. Jay rob first question, Uh from me,

809
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: it's how how has it gone from the draft process

810
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: now getting to see these guys out on the field.

811
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: I know your first round picks not out there yet

812
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: in Jeffrey Simmons, but how does the group look? Yeah,

813
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean I think they're that you know, they They've

814
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: done a really good job of of immersing themselves with

815
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: the coaches trying trying to learn the playbook and the terminology.

816
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: You know, as both of you guys know, anytime that

817
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: you're making that transition from college to to pro there's

818
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: a lot of maybe plays that are similar, in schemes

819
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: that are similar, about the terminology is different. Um. You know,

820
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: we're fortunate to have a great locker room here and

821
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: the veterans have really helped those guys as well. You know, Jay, Rob,

822
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: when you think about the Titans, you naturally think about

823
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback, Marcus Mariota. You brought in a very

824
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: experienced backup in Ryan Tannehill. How do you manage having

825
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks that are very athletic, very eager to play,

826
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: but understand their roles as they go forward. Well, I

827
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: mean that's one thing that you know, when when we

828
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: decided to make that that move and and add Ryan, Um,

829
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, I explained to Marcus that that he's our quarterback,

830
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: and um, you know, we're trying to make as competitive

831
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: a roster as possible and explain to Ryan that Marcus

832
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: was our quarterback, but we want him to come in

833
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: here and and push Marcus and help him be the

834
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: best he can be. On the field, and you know,

835
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: those guys have really really worked well together. They've been

836
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: great in the meeting rooms together. Um, they've been extremely

837
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: communicative on the field, and UM, just excited to have

838
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: both of them on our football team. I want to know,

839
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: just as a leader of this franchise along with your

840
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: head coach and coach Rabel there, you know, you've got

841
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: a team that's been at that nine and seven mark

842
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: for a while now. We kind of we call it

843
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: like the friend zone. I think on the podcast one day,

844
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: you guys have been you gotta get out of that

845
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: friend zone and take that next leap forward. So from

846
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: a leadership standpoint, what what's been the message, uh, to

847
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: to the to the coaching staff, to the players and

848
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: even inside that building off how you guys can at

849
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: nine and seven nothing nothing to be ashamed of, but

850
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: to take that next leak to get you up where

851
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: you want to go. Yeah, that's you know, that's a

852
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: that's a great point. We've you know, we've talked about

853
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: that internally. UM. You know, coach Fabel has done a

854
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: great job with a messaging to the team, uh this offseason,

855
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: because um, we we have had three seasons, uh, three

856
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: winning seasons were only a few one of a few

857
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: handful of teams that have been able to do that yet. Um,

858
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: and those are good. But we want to go from

859
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: good to great. So that's been the message all through

860
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: the off season is going from good to great. How

861
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: do we how do we prepare each day with the

862
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: time that we're allotted in these O t A sessions,

863
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: in these mini camps, so that our days are better

864
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: than thirty one other teams days, Um, so that we

865
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: can take that next step of going from good to great.

866
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: You know, one room that you have in the in

867
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: in terms of meeting rooms, your running back room is

868
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: outstanding in terms of the talent that you have. Did

869
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: we did Henry and Dion lewis when you have the

870
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: opportunity to have a running back back MIDI situation, how

871
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: do you manage that? How do you do all out

872
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: the carriers to keep both guys in the rhythm while

873
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: also allowing them to exhale based on the talent that

874
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: they have. Yeah, as both of you know, that's that's

875
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: always uh. Um. You know, a tough thing to navigate

876
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: with with playmakers, whether it's receivers or tight ends or

877
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: running backs. Um. You know when when one guy's got

878
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: the hot hand, he he wants either to keep keep

879
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: getting ball throwing his way or keep getting it handed

880
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: to him. UM. But I think that just says a

881
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: lot to the character of the backs in that room,

882
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: that it's all about the team. UM. And and they're

883
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: willing to do whatever to help the team win. That

884
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: wins are the most important thing. UM. Both of those

885
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: guys are selfless players. UM. They encourage each other, UM,

886
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: they compete with each other. UM. And it's it's really

887
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: a good room for us, one of our one of

888
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: our better rooms on the team. I want to get

889
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: back to the football here into a second, but for

890
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: some reason, I don't know why. I'm just curious to

891
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: know your response on on something that took place in

892
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: another sport. We saw the news story. Everybody's been talking

893
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: about this Kevin Durant injury, and and you saw Bob

894
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: Myers come out there as a general manager of the

895
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: team and discuss it. Really just tears coming down his

896
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: face and discussing that situation. UM. I think people we fascinated.

897
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: Know if you have you've been in in this profession

898
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: for a long time, when you have a player that's

899
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: a starting caliber player, even a star caliber player, and

900
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: there's an injury. The people at home, I don't think

901
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: they know who all gets involved in that decision for

902
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: when that player would be back on the field in

903
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: a football setting. Yeah, it's always tough. It's I mean,

904
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: it's you really hate it, uh for the player. We

905
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: had it go down last year when we lost Delaney

906
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: Walker in the opener. Delaney's uh been a heck of

907
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: a player here for for a long time, and UM,

908
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: you know he got hurt in that first game, and

909
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: we knew that his season was it was likely over. Um,

910
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: we have to we have to turn the page and

911
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: and keep going though we still got a lot of

912
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: season left. Um. But you know, you you're really you're

913
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: you're gut wrenched for the player because you know they've

914
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: worked so hard, uh to put themselves in the position

915
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: to go out there and perform at a level and

916
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: help the team win. Um. And and it's always tough,

917
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: you know when there's when there's guys who you know

918
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: maybe aren't having don't have quite as severe and injury

919
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: as Delaney had. Um, there's nothing more important. We say

920
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: it all the time. Uh here there's nothing more important

921
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: than than the health and safety of the players. Uh.

922
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: So we're gonna air on the side of caution. UM,

923
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: so that our players are you know, can be out

924
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: there and help the team, but they've they've got to

925
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: be healthy. You know, Jay, Rob, you're talking about your

926
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: team earlier wanted to go from good to great. And

927
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: one of the things that I've read about in reports

928
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: coach Rabel his kind of banded word good and had

929
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: his players replace it with great. How close to you

930
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: guys believe that you are to getting over the hump?

931
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: And how much can that psychological advantage in terms of

932
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: just thinking about everything being great help you guys get

933
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: to where you want to go. Well, you know, I

934
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: think you know everybody's undefeated this time of year ever

935
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: about it is extremely optimistic about their football team. Um.

936
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: But it's it starts with that. Like you you mentioned

937
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: the belief we have to we have to each individually

938
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: believe uh that that we can take that next step. Uh.

939
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: And when you believe in that, you can start to

940
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: hold each other accountable so that you know, you're trying

941
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: to maximize your performance on the daily basis, whether you're

942
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: a safety, a defensive tackle, offensive lineman, whatever position you

943
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: may be. Uh, your teammates can hold you account hold

944
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: you accountable, uh to live up to that great standard.

945
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 1: And um, you know it's been a message that's really

946
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: caught on around here, and UM, you know, we hope

947
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: it can can can certainly push us to the to

948
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: the next level. Last question for me, I kind of

949
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: want to ask you because you talked about the running game,

950
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: and because you have an athletic quarterback that has been

951
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: able to do damage with his legs. When you think

952
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks and the guys that are able to run

953
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: to football, what does an athletic quarterback or do with

954
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: great quarterback add to the offense. Yeah, that is a

955
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: great question, and we're seeing more and more it seems,

956
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: uh in the college game every year. You know, that

957
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: seems to be the trend um in college football is

958
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: to have that guy who who may be the best

959
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: athlete on on the field playing quarterback because he was

960
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 1: probably the best athlete in high school and they played quarterback.

961
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: Let him touch the ball every time. But I think

962
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: what it does it forces defense to have to account

963
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: for that, because you know, there's a lot of defensive

964
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: coordinators that are gonna stay up late at night and

965
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: going through those what if scenarios, Well, what if he

966
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: pulls it on this player or what if he does

967
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: it this way? So you have to allocate practice time

968
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 1: towards that um and that may be something that's that's

969
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: that's not in our game plan this week. Yet they've

970
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on it um and maybe

971
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: not spent enough time on something that we are going

972
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: to attack them with. So I think having uh that

973
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: that type of quarterback who can beat you with his

974
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: arm uh and with his legs is certainly am it's

975
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: it's it's a neat thing to have on for an offense. Well,

976
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to watching this offense get cranked up

977
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: here week week one Cleveland Brown. So talk about a

978
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: team that's been getting a lot of attention, and I'm

979
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: sure there will be a lot of eyeballs on that

980
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: one there to see you guys tee it up. We

981
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: can't we can't thank you enough for your time in and

982
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: and uh we appreciate you. You got it all the best.

983
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: You guys have a great summer, all right, Buck Jay

984
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: Rob Look he uh he is such a good dude.

985
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: And a lot of times when people get hired. People say,

986
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: you know, hey, this guy is a good evaluator, he's

987
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: a good leader. Um. One thing is I would say

988
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: about John once he got that job and we've known

989
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: him forever, is this is a guy who paid his dues,

990
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 1: worked his butt off, and you feel good when nothing's

991
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 1: given to him. I mean, he earned each and every

992
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: promotion and opportunity he got, and I think he's done

993
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: a nice job. Look, three nine and seven seasons here

994
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: with the Tennessee Titans looking to go from good to great. Um,

995
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: he's somebody that's easy to root for. Just he's just

996
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: a great, great dude, great great dude. He is easy

997
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: to root for, and I do believe the challenge that

998
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: they face is going from good too great. How did

999
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: they get from being a nine and sevent team to

1000
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: a team to kind of breaks through and becomes a

1001
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: twelve win or third team win team? Jay Rob talked

1002
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: about this team kind of staying on the details and

1003
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: what they have to do. I also thought his insight

1004
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: on running backs and that rotation that they have there

1005
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: was also pretty and interesting. Absolutely good. Good to catch

1006
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: up with him, and man, this was a fun episode here.

1007
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: Anytime you get a chance to talk to a couple

1008
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: of general managers. Uh, that was a lot of fun.

1009
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: Talked about those second or players we got our eye

1010
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: on and and really man the n B Ah, thank you,

1011
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: thank you for giving us a little talking point today.

1012
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: That was fun. That was fun. I mean, we can't

1013
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: think the NBA enough had a big old trade something

1014
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: that we could jump off the show with. I'm excited.

1015
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 1: But I do believe the parallels we always talked about

1016
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: studying team builders from other sports. I do believe there's

1017
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: a correlation and how you build your team and other

1018
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: sports to the way that you can build your team

1019
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: in the National Football League, No doubt. Well that's going

1020
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: to do it for us today. Buck, anything else you

1021
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: want to hit before we get out of here. No,

1022
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I just thought it was a great episode.

1023
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: Anytime we get an opportunity to talk to general managers,

1024
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: I think it only makes us smarter, which allows us

1025
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: to make the listeners and viewers smarter. There you go,

1026
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: Well that's gonna do it for us today. Here I

1027
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: moved the six Thank you guys for downloading some describing

1028
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: Thank you for leaving us those reviews. Got a buch

1029
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: more reviews there on Apple Podcasts. We do appreciate that

1030
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: it's been a fun offseason. Plenty more Move the Sticks

1031
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: content coming your way, and we'll catch you next time.

1032
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,919
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1033
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