1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: Caf I Am six forty. 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John and Ken Show on demand 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. But we're on the radio from 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: one until four and then after four o'clock it's the 5 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: podcast same as the radio show John and Ken on demand. 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: You can listen to what you missed, Yeah, and I 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: tell you which we'll get to in a few minutes. 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 3: We're going to talk to Steve Gregory first, but the 9 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 3: story that they also going to do Times ran about 10 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: all the quote businesses that we're operating under the ten 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 3: Freeway businesses, businesses. The picture is studying that accompanies the 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: online article. It's a whole looks like a bunch of 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: oranges on the ground. We talked about the wooden palates 14 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: that burned and they're often used to move fruit and 15 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: produce around. And you're not kidding me, you know, I 16 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: said this yesterday. Things I don't want to know and 17 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: I don't know anything about, but wow, this is an 18 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 3: eye opener and we will talk about it because again 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 3: involves migrants and it looks like they don't have insurance 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 3: and a lot of their stuff associated with their businesses 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 3: burn underneath the ten Freeways where that fire went upset it. 22 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 3: It's a whole illegal underground infrastructure is yes, an underworld 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: that was going on, a shifty company that was subleasing 24 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: pieces of it, and then the subleasers were sub subleasing. 25 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: But now we know what Caltrans was trying to do 26 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 3: involving the people that were paying rent to this company 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: called Apex. We will get to all that in a 28 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: few minutes, but of course we're going to start with 29 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: the latest that we can get on the whole story. 30 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 3: Steve Gregory is here to He apparently talked to this 31 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: state fire marshal. 32 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: How exciting is that? 33 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 2: Well, yes, no, I was just going to say, well, 34 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: with respect to this story, it is exciting because this 35 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: is the agency in charge of determining who and how 36 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: the fire started impossibly. 37 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 3: Cal Trans property, so therefore it should be a state 38 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: fire chief. 39 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: Right. What did he have to say? 40 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: Well, so what I did because it was a twenty 41 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 2: five minute interview and I had to sort of parse 42 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: this thing down and make it usable. So what I 43 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: did is I took some points out of it and 44 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: I montaged it together. So you hear my Q and 45 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 2: A and then he answers and at the point where 46 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: he goes into political answer mode. I fade out and 47 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: then I asked the next question, so did you have 48 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: anything left? 49 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? 50 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: And when I distilled it down, it's like, you know, 51 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: thirty seconds, Oh okay. But Daniel Burland is the fire 52 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: Marshal for the state of California, and I remember him 53 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: years ago when he was a pio out in the 54 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: field and it's super nice guy, very informative. But now 55 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: he's in Zacramento, so that takes a hole on a 56 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: whole new level of job and responsibility. And one thing 57 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: we did learn is that was leased as a parking lot. 58 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: That was its function. It was supposed to be just 59 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: a parking lot, not a storage facility, but a parking lot. 60 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: But now I'm going to play this montage. 61 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: It's a little over a minute and it'll kind of 62 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: give you a bigger overview of the investigation and some 63 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: of the liability. Where does that fall? Does that fall 64 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: to you or does that fall to the local jurisdiction. 65 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 4: Any building that is owned or leased by the state, 66 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 4: we do have responsibility for enforcing the fire the life 67 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 4: safety components of the building code in We work very 68 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 4: closely with caltrans on all of their facilities. 69 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: Do you know right now how many citations they were. 70 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: Issued, That would be a question for Caltrans. 71 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: So, but fire and safety on there don't You don't 72 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: issue citations if there's any violations of health and safety 73 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: or fire safety. 74 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 4: Like I said, we are coordinating with Caltrans as we speak. 75 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 4: We have deputies out. 76 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: Okay. 77 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: So it was when you say it was a parking lot, 78 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: then it was supposed to have only kind of vehicles 79 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: in it? 80 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 4: Then right, yeah, there were there to our knowledge, there 81 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 4: was nothing that would have triggered any type of routine 82 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 4: or annual inspections based on the occupancy of the building 83 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 4: which did not exist, or in this case, based on 84 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 4: the hazard of what was actually occurring in the lead. 85 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: Right. 86 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: But no, no, I'm saying that the governor said on Sunday 87 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: and Monday that Caltrans had issued citations because of you know, 88 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: storing improper materials and whatnot. 89 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that have triggered a visit from you guys. That's 90 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: still something I'll need to circle back with you. 91 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: We're working. 92 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: Circle back. Every time a bureaucr uses that phrase, circle. 93 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: Back be very popular. 94 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: The last year they should be dragged away and drunk 95 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: dropped in the Pacific Ocean circle back the hell no 96 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: you're at That's an excellent question, should Stevie? 97 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: You were right on top of him there. 98 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, if he's the state Fire marshall and 99 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 3: there are fire violations and a cal Trans property, he's 100 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: got to be responsible for that. 101 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: How difficult is it for Coltrans to send a message 102 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: to cal Fire and say, we've got all kinds of 103 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 2: violations here, it's flammable materials, and come here and inspect 104 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: this and let's close it down and let's remove all 105 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: the debris. How hard is that? In all fairness, we 106 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: don't know that that message wasn't sent. We don't know 107 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: they're not a message. John's right. 108 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: They should have taken everything out of there. This has 109 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: been going on a mile between this lat's see and 110 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: the States. We can tell from this lawsuit. 111 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: The message starts the process, but the removal it should 112 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: happen instantly. 113 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: But it's a very very unsafe situation. John's right. 114 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: It has to happen like in days after you give 115 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: that notice. Days. 116 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: And the one thing that I thought was interesting, if 117 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: you caught him when he was saying it, he said 118 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: there was no reason to give any attention to it 119 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: based on the threat. 120 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: You know that. And what he finally told me was 121 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: they based. 122 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 2: Their visitation and their their frequency on what the less 123 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: he puts on the lease as what's going to be 124 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: stored in there, as if there. 125 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 3: Aren't bad guys in the world who picked up I 126 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: picked up something interesting In that clip you played, he 127 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: kept referring to buildings. This wasn't a building situation. Well, 128 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: he opened property underneath an overpass. 129 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 130 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: He kept going back to air rights too, So it 131 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: was he was kind of incorporating it because he says 132 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: in another part in there, he kept saying building, and 133 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: he says in this case there was no building. So 134 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: he does recognize that it was just space. But at 135 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's all state owned property, 136 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: and Caltrans knew there was a lot of storage and 137 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 2: there was. 138 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: Active businesses there. 139 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 2: So why did Caltrans immediately shut down the entire operation? 140 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 2: It was violating everything. Waiting to hear back from cal 141 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: Trans and the circle back. I'll circle back with you, John, 142 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: and you're gonna get dragged into the ocean. Hey, listen, 143 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: you want you and I to go like we did 144 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: that that senator did. I'll stand up there, let's stand 145 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: this outside. Did he say anything about the arsen now 146 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 2: the are you talking about the arsonist that was arrested 147 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: this morning for this fire? 148 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: No, I meant you caught me there. 149 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: I thought there was breaking there was because there, Yes, 150 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: I saw some other guy was riding around a bike 151 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 3: and starting fire, right, And. 152 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: So I asked, and I asked him, I said, you know, 153 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: is there any correlation here? And he says our infistigators. 154 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: You're talking to him at this point in both La 155 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: City Fire and Fire said that's a. 156 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: Good point, Steve, because I wondered if that guy had 157 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: something to do with this fire, since Boil Heights isn't 158 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: far away. 159 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: No, and you know he's mobile. So I asked about 160 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: that and said there was no evidence because you got 161 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: to remember it was probably just a regularly scheduled kook 162 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: out to set fires, since that's what happens quite frequently 163 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: in our area. Right, Yeah, right, so he was probably 164 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: that was already part of his route. 165 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 166 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: Well, the vagrants are setting fires all day long, every 167 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: day of the year. Yeah, So how they ever going 168 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: to find the guy who started this file, Well, they've 169 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: got I mean, if he is just some transient. How 170 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: are you going to find him? Well, here's the thing. 171 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: They caught this guy this morning in one hour, which 172 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: was completely unprecedented, unheard of because of public's input. Now, public, 173 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: the public are very keenly aware to look out for 174 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: arsonists and look out for you know, see something, say something, 175 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: And they said it was public tips and this description. 176 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: Getting out there. 177 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: It was all of that that was able to lead 178 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: investigators to get to this guy this morning within an 179 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: hour and arrest him in charging with felony. 180 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: Or apparently it's harder to find then hard right. 181 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: And you know they're also they wouldn't tell me what 182 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: was on the video specifically, other than there was activity 183 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: on a video. Did any of the other vagrants see 184 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: the fire gets set? Presumably they've all been interviewed, all 185 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: of those sixteen individuals that were saved by Karen Bass's office. 186 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: What was that like? Perhaps they were all perhaps they 187 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: were already interviewed. 188 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, like to interview a twenty five vagures, 189 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: but you know the issue is now and well, then 190 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: I pushed him on accelerant. I said, did you use 191 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: an accelerant sniffing canine? Because that can tell you something too. Yeah, 192 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: he says, no, we didn't use the canines here. But 193 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: I said, well, was there an accelerant present? And then 194 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: when he said I can't comment on that, then I 195 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: knew there was an accelerant present. Yes, so you know, 196 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: so someone specifically used accelerant. But as I think I 197 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: mentioned to you yesterday, this makes it complicated because there 198 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: were five or six sub lesses in that property, and 199 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: any one of them may have had a motive for 200 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: all we know, We don't know, you know, so this 201 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: is going to be a complicated one. But I still 202 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: don't think it's even if. How does all this get 203 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: so out of hand? They lease it to somebody's supposed 204 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: to use it as a parking lot, it turns into 205 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: a storage area, he subleases it out to other businesses. 206 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: And then I read in the Times this morning that 207 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: some of those guys were sub so they could make 208 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: the rent payment back to that company right right, because 209 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 2: they couldn't afford to pay the rent, And that this 210 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: landlord I forgot his name, the Apex company guy, Yeah, 211 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: in Calabasas you know, he was bullying every month to 212 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: get his rent. So that's why the sub leasers were 213 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: renting out little plots of there. I don't understand how 214 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: does this get out of hand? All of this is illegal, 215 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 2: Everything about this is illegal. Are the laws to evicts 216 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: so complicated that the state can't even evict people from 217 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: their own properties? Well, as we mentioned, it's you know, 218 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: the governor said, they've been battling with this guy for 219 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: a year on just this one property, and he's got 220 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: what four or five others? What is battling me? That 221 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: they sent out three or four legal notices? That's not 222 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: a bad citations. And when I if you recall every 223 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: time I pushed and I said, okay, what's the threshold? 224 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: What is the threshold? And I never got an answer 225 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 2: because he can use dramatic rhetoric. The truth is it 226 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: wasn't a battle. They just sent citations in the mail 227 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: every few months, didn't get a response, so they sent 228 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: another one and this one's in red ink and capital 229 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: letters to really scare them. 230 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: That's not a battle. 231 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: Well, I will be interested to see if they fulfill 232 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,599 Speaker 2: my record's request, because you will ask you all of 233 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: that in this you'll circle six. You are probably waiting 234 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: for records requests from fifteen years ago. 235 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: I am actually. 236 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, But we'll see who's here then you or me, okay, 237 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: and if either one of us are are still here, 238 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: we have to pack to kill each other. Well wow, boy, 239 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: all right, if I wake up in fifteen years and 240 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: I'm still looking at you, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, 241 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: all right, Steve, thanks very much. 242 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: That's Steve Gregory k If I is hey, the guy's 243 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: name is ah mod Anthony no Wade. 244 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: That's the guy that owns this ape. 245 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: Awad a mod a mod ahmad a mod a mod 246 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 3: Anthony no way no Wade. He owns cal Trans seventy 247 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: eight thousand dollars in unpaid rent, and they sued him 248 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: back in September. 249 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: They sued him. 250 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so two months ago they sued him, but clearly 251 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 3: they didn't clear out the point no inspections. We'll get 252 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: into this crazy story when we come back. 253 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 2: It says you're all told he owed Coltrans six hundred 254 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars in unpaid rent, twenty grand. They were 255 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: really slow and all that fire danger that that's in. 256 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: Californy doesn'tight to lot to evict people, whether it's under a. 257 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 2: Freeway or in an apartment. Tony Tavaris is ahead of Caltrans. 258 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 2: He's working on diversity and equity issues right now, according 259 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: to his website. 260 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 261 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 262 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 3: Well, it's like you know, you read the first paragraph 263 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 3: of this story of the Elsagundo times. 264 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: I had to like rub my eyes this morning. 265 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: This can't be real for more than a decade, Rudy 266 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 3: Seraphin showed up to his makeshift office underneath the ten Freeway. 267 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 3: His office underneath the ten Freeway, as the sun came 268 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 3: out and the roar of the morning commute shook the 269 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: ground below his feet. With a generator, his cell phone, 270 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 3: and a portable toilet, the forty nine year old immigrant 271 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: from Mexico worked alongside a dozen other operating small businesses 272 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: in spaces they rent between the concrete columns holding up 273 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: the interstate. They were mechanics, truckers, garment suppliers, recyclers, and yes, 274 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 3: palate distributors, and they paid rent to this Calabasis businessman 275 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: who leased the land from Caltrans, and as you heard 276 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: just before we went to break, has not been paying 277 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 3: the rent. His name is Ahmad Anthony Nwade. The company 278 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: APEX he owed seventy eight thousand dollars on this plot, 279 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 3: which is forty eight thousand square feet. What we're talking 280 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: about the underneath the ten freeway there South Alamedia and 281 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: East fourteenth Streets. It's one of five that he was 282 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: leasing from Caltrans and all told, he owed them six 283 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty grand in unpaid rent as of September. 284 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: How does this happen? How does both things happen? 285 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: How do they allow people to operate offices under it's 286 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: a freekway with flammable materials. And by the way, that 287 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: guy Saraphin is the one that John that had a 288 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 3: padlet of hand sanitizer he was trying to get rid of. 289 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he broke the leases by illegally subletting to 290 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: a tow company, a recycling firm, mechanics, a tree trimming company, 291 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: and a trucking company. And it was only supposed to 292 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 2: be used for parking and open storage. And you've got 293 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: to get other approvals and permits if you're going to 294 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: do anything else. But no way was there supposed to 295 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: be inoperable vehicles because I think there were some broken 296 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: down RVs under there, flammable materials there, any kind of 297 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: other hazards. 298 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: That was all against. 299 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 2: The lease, that was all breaking the agreement, and Caltrans 300 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 2: with uh or Coltrans with Tony Tavara simply could not 301 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 2: get rid of this guy. They failed their failures. 302 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: So here's the rest of the story. 303 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 3: Caltrans required Apex to hold five million dollars in liability insurance, 304 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 3: but fire insurance was specific admitted from the LIAS agreement. 305 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 3: So poof, there goes that, Well, what's the requirement if 306 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 3: it's not in the LISA agreement. And then there's all 307 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: the homeless people there. They were paying homeless people twenty 308 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 3: dollars just to move away from their businesses under the freeway. 309 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: It's so hard to believe. 310 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: One guy thinks he lost one hundred grand worth of tools, 311 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: trucks and equipment, including a GMC campre just fixed for 312 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: twenty thousand dollars. 313 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: This can't be true. Well it is true. So they 314 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: have apparently been suing each other. 315 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 3: But as John has mentioned a couple of times, this 316 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: Apex company was charging these people. One guy, Alfred o'lara, 317 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 3: the rent was four thousand dollars a month. 318 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: So he's shot a sub led part of a space 319 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: to three other people for one thousand dollars. 320 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 3: To try to make ends meet. So at some point 321 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: Caltrans actually sent the representative down there to tell the 322 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,239 Speaker 3: quote tenants to stop paying Apex because he's not paying them. 323 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: That's where it got ugly. 324 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: But they didn't send a fire inspector to see all 325 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: the flammable materials. 326 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 3: So APEX sued Coltrans in June, claiming that they're interfering 327 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: with our business and claiming they've made one hundred thousand 328 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 3: dollars in improvements to the property and they didn't clear 329 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: out the homeless people. And you know, the homeless people 330 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: probably starting fires every night just for cooking, if nothing else. 331 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: I always assume that's who's under the freeways, the homeless people. 332 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know. 333 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 3: Some of them have businesses, want to call them businesses, 334 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: but they're under the table migrant business. 335 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: Because Bass and Newsome don't enforce any laws. They had lazy, 336 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: stupid people running their departments. Nobody enforces any law about 337 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: anything in Los Angeles. This is a lawless area. I 338 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: just saw some video of her on one of the 339 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: TV stations in a helicopter. You're doing the great photo 340 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: op overseeing the great city of Los Angeles down below. 341 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: That's what she does. 342 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: She knows she's going to get a free commercial on 343 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: the local news by going on camera and looking very 344 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: concerned and worried as she peers out the window the 345 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: garbage that she does. What she should be doing is 346 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: going under these overpasses with all the other division leaders, 347 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: agency leaders. 348 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: And clearing all out all the dangers. That's your job. God, God, 349 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: she's just awful. 350 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: We will talk more about this when we come back, 351 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 3: including NBC four It Team report on something you know. Well, 352 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: if you listen to KFI Traffick reports all the fires 353 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: under these freeways from the Homeless n. 354 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 355 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 5: Am six forty. 356 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: We're on the radio from one until four. 357 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: Then after four o'clock the show becomes a podcast Johnny 358 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: Ken on demand. Anything you missed during the afternoon, you 359 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: could listen to tonight when you get home or tomorrow morning. 360 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, and use the app to connect to the Moistline, 361 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: which is coming back in just two days. That's right, 362 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: This little microphone icon that you can click there on 363 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 3: the app to connect to the Johnny Ken Moystlundo called 364 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: the Tophree Number one eight seven seven Moist eighty six. 365 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: We still do not have anybody arrested for it is 366 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: supposedly the arson fire that caused the shutdown of the 367 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 3: ten freeway there and there downtown Los Angeles. 368 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: All we're getting now is happy talk about how fast. 369 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: They were moving the debris and they hope to reopen 370 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: it in three to five weeks. And you got Cam 371 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 3: Bass talking about how maybe people are using math transit. 372 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 3: This looks like a big push to get people on 373 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 3: this stil trains and buses again. 374 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: But they're not. 375 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: They're not gonna They're not gonna do it because it's 376 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: a it's a terrible system that doesn't go too many places. 377 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 2: And we know about all the vagrants and the homeless people. 378 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: They act like the vagrants and the crazy people aren't 379 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: on the trains anymore. Of course they are. No one, 380 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 2: no one normal is gonna take that train. They're gonna 381 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: get they gonna get stabbed. 382 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 3: Now, as far as the danger under the freeways, and 383 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 3: again with this fire, we had no idea all these 384 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 3: quote businesses were operating over there. We just thought it 385 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: was vagrant encampments. Here is a pretty good IT team 386 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 3: report that ran yesterday which is headed up by NBC 387 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 3: Force Joel Grove. On the problem with the homeless and 388 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 3: the fires under the. 389 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 6: Freeways, Kyltran said today it's possible a homeless encampment on 390 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 6: fire may have led to all the damage. Our investigative 391 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 6: reporter Joel Grover has covered these fires these stories for years. 392 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 6: He joins US live from our News operations center. 393 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 7: Joel, Well, Colleen, Here's what we know. In recent years, 394 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 7: more than half of all fires in the city are 395 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 7: connected to the unhoused, and many of those investigators eventually 396 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 7: find out are arson. The ten Freeway in flames similar 397 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 7: to this weekend, but this was December twenty nineteen. Firefighters 398 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 7: on this scene that day told the I Team they 399 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 7: believed the fire was started by the homeless camping out here. 400 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 7: As the IT Team has shown in years past, there 401 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 7: are tens under and around freeways with lots of combustible materials. 402 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 8: This was a disaster waiting to happen. 403 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 7: A Stella Lopez runs the Downtown Industrial Business Improvement District, 404 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 7: which is adjacent to the ten Freeway and to homeless 405 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 7: encampments that have gone up in flames. Do you suspect 406 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 7: there might be a connection to the homeless living under 407 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 7: the freeway. 408 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 8: Homeless people when it gets chilly at night, they start fires. 409 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 8: When they need to cook, they start fires. 410 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 7: For years, the ITEAM has documented how the unhoused used stoves, barbecues, 411 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 7: propane generators, often igniting homeless tents and nearby apartments and 412 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 7: homes and office buildings and sometimes freeways. It's illegal to 413 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 7: light outdoor fires like this, but the city almost never 414 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 7: cites the unhoused for doing this. 415 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 8: The city and the county have not done their job. 416 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 8: When you look at overpasses filled with encampments, when you 417 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 8: look at underpasses filled with encampments, what did they think 418 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 8: was going to happen? This is what was going to 419 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 8: happen today. 420 00:19:54,240 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 7: California's Transportation secretary admitted officials are investigating whether the homeless 421 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 7: started the ten Freeway fire. 422 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: I want to speculate, but that's very possible. 423 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 7: This weekend's fire erupted in a yard under the freeway, 424 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 7: storing highly flammable wooden pallets, which are used by businesses 425 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 7: that receive large shipments and commonly used by the homeless. 426 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 8: Palets are currency to people living on the streets. They 427 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 8: use them to move things around they use them to 428 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 8: construct their encampments. They are the flooring, they are the walls. 429 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 7: Now that the ten Freeway will be shut down indefinitely, 430 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 7: will anything happen to prevent another disaster like this one? 431 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 7: Do you think this will be a wake up call 432 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 7: to government officials to do something about encampments center freeways. 433 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 8: I pray and hope that this will change the way 434 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 8: that government responds, But I think I'm going to reserve 435 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 8: my judgment. 436 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: I wished Snowmayer. 437 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 7: Karen Bath said there were sixteen unhaused people living under 438 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 7: the freeway in the spot that caught on fire. She 439 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 7: says they've all known albin housed, including one who was 440 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 7: a pregnant woman. 441 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: But she cautioned the public. 442 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 7: She said, it's very important to not jump to conclusions 443 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 7: that any of those un house people had anything to 444 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 7: do with starting this fire. 445 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: All right, that's from NBC four and Joel Grover. Again. 446 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: The philosophy is there's too much sympathy. 447 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 3: To migrants and the homeless, and they get away with 448 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: anything they don't have to get away with because they're 449 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 3: just trying to get by, So mind your own business, 450 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 3: you know. 451 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: They can burn up palettes there's a writer for Breitbart. 452 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: His name is John Nolty, and he wrote a piece 453 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: today on how Newson and San Francisco cleared out the 454 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 2: homeless for that murderous dictator from China, President g And 455 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: the theme of his column was, they made a choice. 456 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: All these years, they made a choice to let all 457 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: the vagrants, the crazy people, and the drug addicts control 458 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 2: the streets. Because when they decided they had to clean 459 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 2: it up because the Chinese president was coming to town, 460 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: they cleaned it up, and they did it very quickly, 461 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,239 Speaker 2: matter days, and suddenly there are blocks and blocks that 462 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 2: were encrusted with homeless encampments and out suddenly cleaning it. 463 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 2: So understand this, whether San Francisco or here in La 464 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: under Karen Bass, this is a choice. The Karen Bass 465 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: makes not to enforce any of the laws, whether it's 466 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: businesses under the freeway, homeless encampments, fire laws. They choose. 467 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: They're not asleep this idea. Maybe this is a wake 468 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: up call. 469 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: No, they choose, like. 470 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 3: I said, because the migrants and the homeless are the 471 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 3: underdogs and they're just barely getting buy in life, so 472 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 3: they need a break. You have to pay the parking ticket, 473 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: you have to pay the speeding ticket because you make money. 474 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: You notice who she scolded. 475 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 2: She didn't scold the vagrants. She scolded the regular people. 476 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, don't jump to conclusions now, no, no, 477 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: no's who the hell are you? You're not my mother, 478 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: You're not my great school teacher. Will you telling me 479 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 2: what to think? You know it's likely a homeless person. 480 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 2: You know that, based on life experience. All these fires 481 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: every single day started by people in homeless encampments because 482 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: they cook, because they want to keep warm. 483 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 1: I mentioned this yesterday. 484 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: There was one traffic report here on kfive a few 485 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: years ago where Jeff ba reported six fires at the 486 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: same time that he could see from his plane, six 487 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: of them all under freeways. 488 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: All started. It's amazing. We don't have more freeway shut 489 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: down because of this. It's amazing. 490 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 3: It's just that this one had this big storage yard 491 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 3: full of extra crap that caught fire. 492 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: She got caught, she got caught, finally won fire. Too many. 493 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: But you know what, and I'm telling you this is 494 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 2: the truth. Karen Bass has contempt for normal people who 495 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 2: are now struggling to get to work every day, struggling 496 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 2: to get to get their kids to school or going 497 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: to go to the doctor's appointments. She has contempt for you. 498 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: She is not going to clean anything up. She doesn't 499 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 2: care that you're afraid of it, your kids are afraid 500 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: of it. 501 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: It's causing freeways to shut down. 502 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: She just wants you to join the crazy train, get 503 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 2: on metro with all the other homeless lunatics, and maybe 504 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: you won't get stabbed that day. 505 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: That's what she. 506 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 2: Newsom contempt, London burried, the mayor San Francisco. They all 507 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: have contempt for you because you have a normal private life, 508 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 2: and you work, and you play by all the rules, 509 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: and you pay your taxes, and you fund all this nonsense. 510 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 2: Karen Bass is not your friend. Karen Bass doesn't care 511 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 2: about your life. 512 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 513 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 5: AM six forty tell. 514 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: The thirteenth annual Apostason is back. That's right. 515 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: Chef Bruno's charity, Kettarita's Club, provides more than twenty five 516 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 3: thousand meals every week the kids in need in southern California, 517 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 3: and of course, it all comes from your generos. 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Of course, today Joe Biden is in San 529 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 3: Francisco meeting with the communist Chinese president next year. Who 530 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: knows what's going to happen with this presidential race, whether 531 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: or not Biden stays in the race, and whether or 532 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 3: not we have third party candidates. Joe Mansion's name has 533 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 3: come up because he's not running for reelection in the 534 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 3: state of West Virginia. He is a Democrat. That seat 535 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 3: will most people believe go to a Republican, So the 536 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 3: Republicans will probably pick up a US Senate seat from there. 537 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: Of course. 538 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 3: Now, one of the other people running as a third 539 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: party candidate is the baffling Robert F. 540 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior. 541 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 3: And the reason he's in the news right now is 542 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 3: because he was pictured walking down the aisle of an 543 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 3: American Airlines flight headed to the bathroom, and I repeat, 544 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 3: headed to the bathroom completely barefoot. Who would do that? 545 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 3: In particularly somebody that doesn't believe in vaccines? I mean, seriously, 546 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 3: how much hepatitis is on that floor? Bathroom airline floors? 547 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 7: I know, can you. 548 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 3: Imagine anything more disgusting? I have enough trouble. When I'm 549 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 3: sitting there waiting to go to the bathroom, I'm watching 550 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 3: who's coming out, and if I don't like the look 551 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 3: of the person, I wait, I do the same thing, 552 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: and I'm like, how bad is it gonna stink it? 553 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: I look at I look at the person. 554 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: It's like, I don't want to know what kind of 555 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 2: waste they produced. I don't want to inhale those molecules. 556 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 2: When I walk in, I will, I will hold it 557 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 2: until I bust. 558 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 4: Oh. 559 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: I don't think I done number two on an airplane. 560 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think I ever have either. No, 561 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: I have to do number one. I'd rather go in 562 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: my seat and then and then I. 563 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 3: And people do that. That's why he's crazy walking barefoot. 564 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 2: And then and then you open the door and I 565 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: try to figure out. Okay, how can I do this 566 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: without touching anything? I don't want to touch anything. I 567 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: don't want to touch the seat, the lid, the handle, 568 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: the shy. 569 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 9: Bring some gloves with you or you carry wipes around. 570 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: That's what I do. I know, but you're a girl 571 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: and I'm a guy. 572 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 9: Okay, but still, who cares? You don't want to touch anything. 573 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 9: I'm giving you the solution for the next time you're 574 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 9: on a plane. 575 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: I know, but I'm just guys just don't think of 576 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 2: there's things until it's too late. 577 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: It's in our brain. 578 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 3: Wiring, he says, and apparently he was half joking. Oh, 579 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: that's inexcusable to go barefoot on an airplane. He'll never 580 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 3: do that again. And of course, now there's a picture 581 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 3: I'm the TMZ where he's in the waiting area at 582 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 3: a terminal at an airport and he's barefoot. 583 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: I guess he just doesn't like wearing shoes or socks. 584 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 2: He doesn't mind stepping in all the goo that collects 585 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: on an airline. You know that that disgusting rug that 586 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 2: they have, do you? 587 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 4: Oh? 588 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: I know? 589 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 3: Do you always carry white piece with you in gloves everywhere? 590 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 4: Well? 591 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 9: I take gloves most of the time when I know 592 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 9: I have to fill my car up with gas, and 593 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 9: on a plane, I always have hand sanitizer and I 594 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 9: try to remember wipes and if I don't, then I 595 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 9: have a Kleenex or I use my sleeve. I never 596 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 9: open the doors. I never touch anything with my bare hands. 597 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: This is why women have big, bunky purses. Are you 598 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: still masking on planes? 599 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 9: No? No, But I don't like touching. I mean that's 600 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 9: just gross. 601 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. I like touching bathrooms either. 602 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 3: Right, as I said the other day, devermarkety, I don't 603 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 3: want to get sick. Do not touch your face. Just 604 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 3: don't ever do it exactly, which I think. I can't 605 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 3: do that. 606 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 9: It's very hard, but I can. I had a lot 607 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 9: of practice during the pandemic. I just I would sit 608 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 9: on my hands. I just would not, or I would 609 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 9: constantly be sanitizing my hands, so then if I did 610 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 9: touch my they were sanitized. My hands were sanitized. 611 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: Think that just got it all covered. I'm constantly sitting on. 612 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 9: My hand, and then it takes me a long time 613 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 9: in those restrooms by the way, on the plane and 614 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 9: places where they don't have those butt seat. 615 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: Covers, I hate that. 616 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 9: So I have to sit there, and so people probably think, 617 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 9: you know, I'm spending a lot of time doing whatever 618 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 9: when I'm not, I'm covering your seat. 619 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: I don't understand. We just haven't evolved very much. 620 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 2: Why do we have to deal with processing food and 621 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: creating waste all. 622 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: Day and night. That's just a terrible thing. 623 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 3: I wish we could be optimized beyond that, like a machine. 624 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 3: We don't have to be fed, we don't have to poop. 625 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just it's just the whole experience is awful. 626 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 3: I Hey, we're coming right back, Johnny Ken, caf I 627 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 3: AM six forty live everywhere. 628 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: I heard radio app Debor Mark live in the CAFI 629 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: twenty for our newsroom. 630 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 3: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 631 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 3: You can always hear us live on CAFI AM six 632 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 3: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 633 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.