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Speaker 1: in for the show from me, don't show Senior editor
Speaker 1: of Sports Illustrated Chris Mannix is my guest tonight. Oh
Speaker 1: Chris sior writer but okay, not editor. We talk about
Speaker 1: your tweets. By the way, you are a rage tweeter,
Speaker 1: you know that, right, Like you wake up and like
Speaker 1: you just wake up sometimes and just send out like
Speaker 1: twenty tweets in a row. I've never done more than
Speaker 1: five in one day, and I'm like all back to
Speaker 1: back to back. Though. Look, man, I'm like Hemmingway of Twitter.
Speaker 1: I write best in the morning. Can I for the record,
Speaker 1: Sergio Morris here, former junior middleweight champion to Zone broadcaster, UM,
Speaker 1: you had a tweet about a week ago and I
Speaker 1: flagged this because I wanted to bring this up on
Speaker 1: the podcast. Somebody asked you, quote Riz, now, why did
Speaker 1: you walk away from the Jermaine Taylor fight when Jermaine
Speaker 1: was undisputed? Your response, I only had one ten round
Speaker 1: fight under my belt. I wasn't ready. Bullshit, I call bullshit.
Speaker 1: Tell the people the real story about why you didn't
Speaker 1: fight your main Tanler. Well, it was partly because I
Speaker 1: only fought one ten rounder. I was only I only
Speaker 1: have seventeen pro fights. And most importantly, we're a hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty thou dollars away from a million dollars. That's
Speaker 1: why Loudabella and I would have done it. But see
Speaker 1: that's why that's the real story here. As soon as
Speaker 1: I read that, sweet, I go bullshit. If they had
Speaker 1: paid you two underground, you would have bought a fifteen
Speaker 1: rounder against it if they asked you for You're right,
Speaker 1: all right, A lot to get into. UH. This week,
Speaker 1: we've got some news with Ryan Garcia and Tag Davis
Speaker 1: got a few good fights this weekend. You're good, pal.
Speaker 1: Jake Paul is back in action as well. But I
Speaker 1: want to start with boxing being boxing once again. Uh,
Speaker 1: this past week, negotiations for an Errol Spence Terrence Crawford
Speaker 1: fight collapsed. Crawford elected to sign a deal with b
Speaker 1: LK Prime Video and he is going to fight in
Speaker 1: December against David Avenecian, a good fighter. But that's certainly
Speaker 1: a letdown from the Errol Spence fife. There's been Sergio,
Speaker 1: a lot of he said, she said here, Bud Crawford
Speaker 1: has blamed Errol Spence, and PBC Errol Spence has blamed
Speaker 1: but Crawford, you go on social media. Everybody seems to
Speaker 1: think they have the most accurate information. But let's start here.
Speaker 1: Your reaction to a long discussed fight falling apart once again.
Speaker 1: I told you so, I told you it was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: You were the only optimistic person in boxing that that
Speaker 1: was actually uh feeling good about that fight being made
Speaker 1: in late November. I think our last podcast, I told
Speaker 1: you it is not happening. It's not enough time to
Speaker 1: promote the shows, it's not to to promote the fight. Well,
Speaker 1: I had to do with the date though that was
Speaker 1: the date. It wasn't enough time, and they weren't talking
Speaker 1: about it. Nobody was talking about it, so there was
Speaker 1: no way they were gonna put a mega fight, the
Speaker 1: biggest fight in boxing in in that much of a
Speaker 1: hurry and that much of a rush. That's how I
Speaker 1: knew it wasn't gonna happen. They needed to the whole
Speaker 1: promotional machine coming out, They needed all guns blazing and
Speaker 1: every talk show. It didn't happen for many reasons, and
Speaker 1: I blame a lot of people manics. I just don't
Speaker 1: blame budd and Spence, but you gotta aim the managers,
Speaker 1: and you gotta blame the advisers, and you gotta blame
Speaker 1: the lawyers, and you gotta blame the promoters and the networks.
Speaker 1: It's all one big uh. I don't know the word
Speaker 1: for it, but it's all one big mess. You know,
Speaker 1: whenever you're dealing with so many people, so many contracts,
Speaker 1: so many loyalties that you have to like cross bridges,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. There's just too many, too many
Speaker 1: hurdles to jump, and I just felt that that's one
Speaker 1: of the biggest fights in boxing that's never gonna happen
Speaker 1: when it should. BLK Prime video coming out of nowhere
Speaker 1: was not something and anybody anticipated I had never Who
Speaker 1: is and is a video on demand service that has
Speaker 1: dabbled in boxing some and is clearly attempting to get
Speaker 1: into boxing. I I guess that's that's a decent comparison
Speaker 1: for the moment. They signed Terence Crawford to a one
Speaker 1: fight deal. Reportedly they signed Adrian Broner to a three
Speaker 1: fight deal. We'll see what happens with that. I have
Speaker 1: been told there is some real money behind it, um,
Speaker 1: some hedge fund money, some investment bank money, something along
Speaker 1: those lines. And look, if you're Crawford and you really
Speaker 1: can get eight figures to fight David Avenecian, and the
Speaker 1: negotiations between yourself and Errol Spence and al Haman weren't
Speaker 1: going the way you wanted to. I kind of understand it.
Speaker 1: I mean, David Avensi is a good fighter, but he
Speaker 1: is going to be lunch meat against Arrow Spence. He
Speaker 1: is going to go out there and try to brawl
Speaker 1: at Errol Spence is going to put him down. This
Speaker 1: is going to end badly. For David Avensi. So if
Speaker 1: you're Errol Spence and you really can get ten million
Speaker 1: plus to fight him, I understand it. My problem with
Speaker 1: all this is that I think this was the final
Speaker 1: nail in the coffin for Spence versus Crawford. It sure
Speaker 1: sounds like Errol Spence, who has spent like a decade
Speaker 1: or more fighting at a hundred forty seven pounds, who
Speaker 1: was in the Olympics at a hundred and fifty plus pounds,
Speaker 1: is done with wealthier weight. He wants to move up.
Speaker 1: There aren't great fights available to him. If Crawford isn't
Speaker 1: he's not going to fight Standy Onis Like I don't
Speaker 1: see that happening. He clearly doesn't want to fight Keith
Speaker 1: Thurmant and like the mandatory is out there Boots Ennis,
Speaker 1: Virgil Ortiz, potentially he's not going to fight either one
Speaker 1: of them. So it sounds like the next step for
Speaker 1: Errol Spence is going to be moving up. And you
Speaker 1: know this, Sergio, if he moves up, he ain't coming
Speaker 1: back down. So the chances of us getting a welterweight
Speaker 1: unification fight between Spencing Crawford one that would truly crown
Speaker 1: the best fighter in that division, they may have vanished
Speaker 1: completely after the all this. We're not in thees no more.
Speaker 1: We're not dealing with the fabulous for We're not being
Speaker 1: dealing with the best fighting the best. It's nowadays it's
Speaker 1: the best chasing the best pay days. And it's unfortunate
Speaker 1: because the fans, you know, they've they've been supporting boxing
Speaker 1: so long, and when it comes to the time, the
Speaker 1: right time, that opportune time where everything's perfect, these guys
Speaker 1: are undefeated there at their pound for pound best, and
Speaker 1: if they only can make that fight, it's just it
Speaker 1: puts boxing at the number one spotlight of all sports,
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't happen because there's just too much
Speaker 1: red red wires to cross, too much, too much paperwork,
Speaker 1: too many promoters and managers, advisers Like I said, man,
Speaker 1: it was just too much to do. And and when
Speaker 1: you were so optimistic about it, which is a rarity
Speaker 1: because you're just curmudgeon, well I just felt like I
Speaker 1: was just like, what the hell, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're positive, Well, look, the options for these two guys
Speaker 1: were limited. When I was talking like that, nobody saw
Speaker 1: this BLK Prime video thing coming, Like I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't even see it coming. It sounds like a boy
Speaker 1: band BLK BLK Promotions Prime Video. I think it's sounds
Speaker 1: like I don't think it's promotional. Sounds like something to
Speaker 1: speak briefly on BLK Prime Video. What they're doing isn't
Speaker 1: gonna work. Like they're doing a one fight deal with
Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford. They're going to put it on version of
Speaker 1: pay per view, it's going to do well under a
Speaker 1: hundred thousand buys, and there's just no scenario where they
Speaker 1: can make that money back. The same thing with his
Speaker 1: Broner deal. Browner hasn't fought in well over a year.
Speaker 1: He hasn't one a meaningful fight since two thousands sixteen.
Speaker 1: His drawing power has has largely vanished. I saw a
Speaker 1: video of him recently announcing the deal. He did not
Speaker 1: look like he was anywhere close to fighting shape at
Speaker 1: the moment. So I don't know what their their endgame
Speaker 1: is for all this. But if you're Crawford Spence, that
Speaker 1: might have done it. Maybe we see them fight at
Speaker 1: one fifty four down the line. But I'm not crossing
Speaker 1: my fingers and counting on it, because Crawford is what
Speaker 1: in his mid thirties. Spence is approaching his mid thirties.
Speaker 1: I think we've lost our chance to see that fight forever.
Speaker 1: And that's and I hate to say it, but you did,
Speaker 1: you did tell me so, all right, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about some news that I reported this week and
Speaker 1: get your take on it. Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis
Speaker 1: seemed to be right there on the contractual element a
Speaker 1: a deal for them to fight. They have agreed broadly
Speaker 1: on the financial terms, which means I've been told the
Speaker 1: guarantees for each fighter and the percentage split for each fighter.
Speaker 1: They have agreed on the weight thirty six pound, which
Speaker 1: is one pound above the weight Tank prefers to fight
Speaker 1: at and three or four pounds below what Ryan Garcia
Speaker 1: prefers to fight at. They agreed on the date, which
Speaker 1: is supposed to be sometime in January, the location which
Speaker 1: is supposed to be Las Vegas. They seem to be
Speaker 1: right there on the financial terms. Where they're not is
Speaker 1: close to a deal for the broadcast rights. Tank Davis
Speaker 1: has been aligned with Showtime for his last eleven fights,
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia with the Zone Um. The two sides have spoken,
Speaker 1: I've been told, but they are not close to a
Speaker 1: deal on the broadcast, right, So are you equally as
Speaker 1: pessimistic Sergio about the chances we get to see Ryan
Speaker 1: Garcia Tank Davis or do you think there's a pathway
Speaker 1: for this fight to get There's a pathway. There's a
Speaker 1: pathway because Ryan Garcia has a big following, uh the kid,
Speaker 1: you know, whenever he tweets, millions of people read it,
Speaker 1: it gets retweeted. He has a following and Instagram and Twitter,
Speaker 1: you know, tanks very popular. So whenever these two do
Speaker 1: decide to talk and and and and and try to
Speaker 1: make a fight, people are listening, and people want this fight.
Speaker 1: It's a big one of the biggest fights in boxing.
Speaker 1: And these guys are so young and and and hungry,
Speaker 1: and they're good at what they do and knock people out.
Speaker 1: Not only that Mannix, but there with well, at least
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia is he's with a promoter that wants to
Speaker 1: make it happen. So when Oscar the Lahoya tweets, the
Speaker 1: world of boxing listens. So not only does Ryan Garcia
Speaker 1: want to fight Uscia the Lahoya want to fight, it's
Speaker 1: maywhere the promotions and and Mayweather and Leonard Ellerb and
Speaker 1: Tank they're the ones that are silent about it. Ryan
Speaker 1: Garcia keeps goinging them on, like, come on, kid, let's
Speaker 1: do it. Let's do it. And it's a bad look
Speaker 1: for Tank, but I think it's gonna be. You can't
Speaker 1: keep you can't keep just uh, you know, staying silent
Speaker 1: about it. Tank tweets and deletes. He's kind of like me,
Speaker 1: you know, whenever I remember Ryan Garcia says anything. But
Speaker 1: you could tell Tank wants it. You could tell Tank
Speaker 1: wants to response to this. Kid says let's get it on.
Speaker 1: But the powers that be and the people behind them
Speaker 1: won't let it happen. And those people, whether it's maywere
Speaker 1: the promotions or network or the lawyers or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: they can't keep treading lightly. He's a tank. His name's Tank.
Speaker 1: You can't tread lightly with a tank. Let him destroy,
Speaker 1: Let him do what he does best, and that's fight,
Speaker 1: and let him, you know, uh, do it at the
Speaker 1: right time. Don't wait any longer. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: the time to do it. And hopefully it happens. And
Speaker 1: I'm optimistic about this one. I'm glad. I'm I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say I'm optimistic. I wouldn't say I'm pessimistic. I'm right
Speaker 1: in the middle right now. I do think that Al
Speaker 1: Hayman and Maywe the promotions are operating in good faith
Speaker 1: trying to make this fight happen. Otherwise, why would they
Speaker 1: agree to all the financial terms. I think everybody involved
Speaker 1: wants this fight. What has to budge is Hayman and
Speaker 1: Mayweather Promotions have to authorize and tell Steven Espinosa that
Speaker 1: he needs to make a deal with the Zone for
Speaker 1: this fight. Now, people listening, they know Sergio and I
Speaker 1: are part of the Zone broadcast team, but this is
Speaker 1: not about that. What this is about is getting a
Speaker 1: deal done, and it does not get done unless there
Speaker 1: is a co promotion get involves that involves both networks.
Speaker 1: Do Zone is willing to do a type of deal
Speaker 1: that we saw with Mayweather and Pacio, the type of
Speaker 1: deal that they were talking about doing with Tyson Fury
Speaker 1: and Anthony Joshua. His Zone is willing to do that.
Speaker 1: They want to split everything in an equitable ray way.
Speaker 1: Right now, my understanding is that these negotiations haven't really
Speaker 1: gone anywhere because Showtime is telling the Zone that may
Speaker 1: with the Promotions and PBC are saying this fight happens
Speaker 1: as a Showtime pay per view. I'm telling you it's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen without it being a Showtime paper. People
Speaker 1: can say, well, Ryan Garcia doesn't have a contract with
Speaker 1: the Zone. Well Tank Davis doesn't have a contract with Showtime.
Speaker 1: Why can't it be on one neper It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Tank Davis is a showtime fighter. Ryan Garcia, for the moment,
Speaker 1: is a de zown fighter by virtue of his contract
Speaker 1: with Golden Boy. If this fight could happen on one network,
Speaker 1: it would have happened already. It needs to The two
Speaker 1: sides need to come together and make this deal. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you something, Sergio, this is not a hard
Speaker 1: deal to make. Like you use previous deals as a blueprint,
Speaker 1: You louse Mayweather Packiau the structure of it as a blueprint.
Speaker 1: You use Fury Wilder as a blueprint. ESPN and Fox
Speaker 1: rivals in the sports game. They got together, they made
Speaker 1: a deal and we saw two great fights, including the
Speaker 1: last one, which is one of the best heavyweight fights
Speaker 1: I've seen in a very long time, certainly the best
Speaker 1: fight I've seen in person. You can do this. It's
Speaker 1: about greed, It's about ego. If this fight gets blocked,
Speaker 1: it's going to be at the network level. And I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say this, I think it will be blocked
Speaker 1: because of Mayweather Promotions and out Hym and I think
Speaker 1: they will be the ones that stopped this fight from
Speaker 1: happening because I think the zone wants to do a deal.
Speaker 1: I quite frankly think if push comes to shove, Showtime
Speaker 1: would do a deal because Showtime has nothing else for
Speaker 1: Tank Davis. Does anybody really want to see Tank versus
Speaker 1: a cruise too? Because that's where we're trending towards if
Speaker 1: this fight doesn't get made. So I think there needs
Speaker 1: to be kind of a loosening of the reins, get
Speaker 1: the ego out of the situation, make a co promotional deal,
Speaker 1: and then make a fight that is one of, if
Speaker 1: not the most marketable fight you can make in all
Speaker 1: of boxing today. The eagle you said it, I think
Speaker 1: you know the people, the people that are involved have big,
Speaker 1: big egos, and you know, fighters of course have big
Speaker 1: eagles because that's what it takes to get in the ring.
Speaker 1: But the people in the suits, what what what are
Speaker 1: their egos about? They don't want to work with other
Speaker 1: people across the Street because what oh uh, it's it's childish,
Speaker 1: is it's it's immature, it's not it's not good business.
Speaker 1: They could say that they don't have the following or
Speaker 1: the audience or or or they don't have the subscriptions,
Speaker 1: the zone doesn't. But what what have they done? Like
Speaker 1: you said, what has Showtime done? What hbos out of
Speaker 1: business or else? What have brought them up? What have
Speaker 1: they done? What are the name but numbers they're pulling?
Speaker 1: And what stars are they making? Tank right now is
Speaker 1: a bona fide star, but he's not in the he's
Speaker 1: not sailing over five thousand pay per views. He's a
Speaker 1: nobody is at this No, But that's my point. Ex
Speaker 1: Showtime has done a really good job at building Tank
Speaker 1: into the pay per view star. Damn good job. But
Speaker 1: he's not in the over probably nobody ever will be. Again,
Speaker 1: if the pay per view numbers for Wilder Ryan Garcia
Speaker 1: will be we'll see, we'll see. I mean, look, those
Speaker 1: days maybe gone forever. We don't, we don't know if
Speaker 1: the million plus pay per view buys. My point in
Speaker 1: all this is that Showtime has spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time and a lot of money investing and building Gavante Davis.
Speaker 1: The Zone has spent a lot of time and a
Speaker 1: lot of money investing and building Ryan Garcia. Neither network
Speaker 1: should be excluded, and they don't have to be because
Speaker 1: you can make a deal that will make everybody happy.
Speaker 1: And here's the difference. Ryan Garcia's promoter, Golden Boy, Oscar Deloya,
Speaker 1: they want that fight to happen, but on the other
Speaker 1: side of the fence, Mayweather, they don't say anything, so
Speaker 1: that they're actually to blame a little bit here too,
Speaker 1: because if if the fighter and Ryan Garcia the promoter,
Speaker 1: and Oscar Delaya, if they're the ones talking, they're willing
Speaker 1: to make a deal, They're willing to to to to
Speaker 1: talk over the contracts and the deal and and everything,
Speaker 1: and they're just saying quiet about it. Well, there to blame.
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to be so blunt about it,
Speaker 1: but they're the ones not saying anything about it, which
Speaker 1: means they don't want that fight, and it's it's upsetting.
Speaker 1: I don't need them to say anything. I just needed
Speaker 1: to make a deal because if this fight falls through,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see Tank against someone we don't care about,
Speaker 1: and we're probably gonna see Ryan in against someone we
Speaker 1: don't care about, and that would be catastrophic for boxing.
Speaker 1: In the aftermath of the Arrow Spence fight, let me
Speaker 1: transition to uh, a favorite topic of yours. Jake Paul
Speaker 1: is back going for his sixth professional win when he
Speaker 1: takes on Anderson Silva down in Phoenix. This figures to
Speaker 1: be a pretty big event. Tickets have moved exceptionally well.
Speaker 1: Jake has done pretty solid numbers on pay per view
Speaker 1: in his time headlining over at Showtime. Anderson Silva is
Speaker 1: best known for his m m A exploits. He's one
Speaker 1: of the greatest mixed martial largest of all time, maybe
Speaker 1: the greatest mixed martial artist of all time. But he
Speaker 1: is also a decent boxer. He is three and one.
Speaker 1: Now he's not a decent box Okay, okay, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, let me finish what I'm saying. He's three
Speaker 1: and one. He has a win over Julio Caesar Chavez Jr.
Speaker 1: That's a real win. He beat the former middleweight champion
Speaker 1: Legit League just last year. So here's the question I
Speaker 1: have for you. If Jake Paul beats Anderson Silva, does
Speaker 1: he deserve credit for that? Deserves got nothing to do
Speaker 1: with it because he's not fighting a boxer in a
Speaker 1: boxing ring. He's fighting a forty seven year old man,
Speaker 1: forty seven years old and a guy that's never been
Speaker 1: in a boxing ring other than with a lazy, uh
Speaker 1: irresponsible former champion in Chavez, who you know, he probably
Speaker 1: wasn't even in shape. He just took that pay day.
Speaker 1: Anderson Silva lost his professional debut because he actually fought
Speaker 1: uh a fighter with a record from there, He's fought
Speaker 1: non boxers. So you can't say he's a boxer. Jake
Speaker 1: Paul is okay, but you can't says is a boxer.
Speaker 1: You call him lazy, and that's fine, but he's a
Speaker 1: real box that's the only that's the only thing that
Speaker 1: brings some kind of credibility. But Chavez is lazy, irresponsible,
Speaker 1: and he's not reliable. We all know that. Boxing knows that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you gotta give Anderson Silva credit it for
Speaker 1: beating him. Okay, I'll do that. It will split decision,
Speaker 1: but whatever the other wins, what decisions, I get it.
Speaker 1: But there were against other fighters. Man, you're just you're
Speaker 1: you're trying too hard to promote Jake Paul. Jake Paul
Speaker 1: needs to be fighting a boxer. I don't care if
Speaker 1: he's an OH and five boxer, but a boxer someone
Speaker 1: that fought five professional boxers and lost, then I can
Speaker 1: give him credit. Anderson Silva just fought one professional fighter
Speaker 1: in Chavez. He got a split decision and he got
Speaker 1: knocked out in his pro debut versus another professional boxer.
Speaker 1: The other guys were making the professional debuts, they weren't
Speaker 1: professional boxers. So Jake Paul does not earn my respect here.
Speaker 1: I give him credit for being a hustler, for being
Speaker 1: uh one of these just these guys that can turn
Speaker 1: uh leimonate into ship into lemonade. I give him credit
Speaker 1: for that. Man, he gets attentions, he gets the eyeballs,
Speaker 1: that the new YouTube you know, crowd, all the credit
Speaker 1: to him. Make your money, son. But whenever you come
Speaker 1: to boxing and you want to start talking ship that
Speaker 1: you want to call out all these big names and
Speaker 1: you want to do this and you want to take over,
Speaker 1: and you want to start bad mouthing boxers, that when
Speaker 1: that's when we gotta just nip it in the button
Speaker 1: and be like, dude, shut the funk up until you
Speaker 1: fight something. I don't think boxers like He bad mouths
Speaker 1: boxing in general, and he should because boxing is in
Speaker 1: the toilet right now. It doesn't make any good fights.
Speaker 1: The schedule on most networks is devoid of anything remotely interesting.
Speaker 1: We're doing a couple of good ones. We're doing on
Speaker 1: the Zone. You've got bevol versus h versus zero, and
Speaker 1: then you've got Chocolate Tito Astrado three at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. But you look at all these schedules,
Speaker 1: the big fights aren't happening, at least not at the end.
Speaker 1: And Jake Paul is a big fight. The people buying
Speaker 1: his fights, people are It's not it's not boxing fans
Speaker 1: that are buying this fight. It's it's it's YouTube some
Speaker 1: of them kids then and aw this other thing that,
Speaker 1: And it's not gonna be that pay per views? How
Speaker 1: much is it gonna be? Is it gonna be? He
Speaker 1: charges less usually than everybody else. It's fifty dollars and
Speaker 1: he can can I just point this out. I don't
Speaker 1: want to get back I don't want to get back
Speaker 1: in this hamster with with you again. But you say,
Speaker 1: Jake Paul's gotta fight a real boxer, Well, he tried
Speaker 1: to fight Tommy Fury twice Tommy Fury backed out. He
Speaker 1: tried to fight a scene Rockmon Scene lied about the
Speaker 1: weight he could make, and then he had to cancel
Speaker 1: that fight. So you can't say he's not trying. He's
Speaker 1: got his real boxers backing away from him the second
Speaker 1: he calls me, alright, running towards you, back to I
Speaker 1: just like, by the way, I have a story up
Speaker 1: on s I uh SI dot com right now about
Speaker 1: Jake Paul. I would spend some time in Puerto Rico
Speaker 1: with him. Um, now you as we record this, No
Speaker 1: you haven't, but I just like to point out and
Speaker 1: you hate when I do this, but I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: it anyway. Um. Some of the Jake Paul critics, including yourself,
Speaker 1: don't look at the receipts your fifth fight. George Marino,
Speaker 1: who had just as many wins as Tyron Woodley zero
Speaker 1: zero wins on his resume. Javonte Davis, who has insulted
Speaker 1: Jake Paul. In his sixth pro fight, he fought a
Speaker 1: guy named James Franks who was to eight and one.
Speaker 1: Canelo Alvaret didn't face a guy with a winning record
Speaker 1: until his thirteen professional fight. Well, why is it just
Speaker 1: because they dawn gloves and like act like a real boxer.
Speaker 1: That makes them real boxers. Every champion in the history
Speaker 1: of boxing, if you look down into their first five fights,
Speaker 1: they've fought fighters like that, fought fighters like that. Was
Speaker 1: Tyrone Woodley better than George Marino? No, I don't even
Speaker 1: know who he was, but I for he's forgettable, But
Speaker 1: I bet you he probably would have went the distance
Speaker 1: with Tyron Woodley. Suddn't Jake Paul that he knocked him out.
Speaker 1: These guys can't fight, man, They can't. They can't box.
Speaker 1: They can fight, they're strong, but they can't box. They
Speaker 1: have no footwork. They look ridiculous once they start getting
Speaker 1: into the later rounds of fifth, the sixth round, once
Speaker 1: they start getting hit, once they start getting clipped to
Speaker 1: the body by a real professional boxer, they won't go
Speaker 1: to distance. They'll turn their back and they're coward out.
Speaker 1: That's how these guys that aren't familiar with being a
Speaker 1: professional fighter, that's how they react. You know why give
Speaker 1: You know why I give Jake Paul. You think I
Speaker 1: give him too much credit and I promote him, But
Speaker 1: I also talk to people that shared the ring with him,
Speaker 1: like Steve Cunningham, two time cruiserweight champion. He went down
Speaker 1: sparred with him last year, he said. Jake pauls Legit said,
Speaker 1: he has real power. He works hard, and he's trying
Speaker 1: to become a better fighter. In this last camp, Chad
Speaker 1: Dawson was there. Pound champions. I talked to Chad Dawson.
Speaker 1: Chad said, look, he's got some skill, he's got some
Speaker 1: relieve it. I believe it, man. I mean, look, I
Speaker 1: respect Steve Conny and I respect Chad Dawson. Two champions
Speaker 1: are not gonna bullshit. He's trying. I get it. He's trying.
Speaker 1: He looks the part. He could throw a one, two three.
Speaker 1: He can run, he can jog, he can have a camp,
Speaker 1: he can bring in a professional sparring partners. But once
Speaker 1: he gets down to the real nitty gritty in front
Speaker 1: of a boxer with eight or ten ounce gloves under
Speaker 1: those lights and he gets hit on the chin, he's
Speaker 1: not gonna respond like a fighter. He can act like
Speaker 1: he's a fighter, but he's not one because he does
Speaker 1: not know how to react when the door gets tough.
Speaker 1: That's a different That's what separates the men from the
Speaker 1: Jake Paul You know why I like Jake Paul too, though,
Speaker 1: is because he sponsors your show. Problem he does not.
Speaker 1: But he's trying to make these fights like I've seen
Speaker 1: Rockman Junior. Nobody's ever heard of him, right, Jake is
Speaker 1: trying to make these fights when the reality is he
Speaker 1: would make so much more money if he just fought
Speaker 1: these influencers. Jake Paul against Nate Diaz is huge. Jake
Speaker 1: Paul against KSI is huge. Jake's trying to gonna make
Speaker 1: some of those fights, but he's also looking at Tommy Fury,
Speaker 1: he was eight no as professional boxer. He's looking at
Speaker 1: other guys pro box and hedia Is is is the only
Speaker 1: one I'll be interested in. The other ones actually careless
Speaker 1: would I'm sorry, I like Nate Das, but Jake would
Speaker 1: beat him senseless. Jake's too strong. See that's Nate has hands.
Speaker 1: Nate has hands, so does with with ten ounce gloves on. No. Look,
Speaker 1: I I can pretty much guarantee you Nadia's wife's the
Speaker 1: floor with Jake. You're gonna guarantee me that I'll take
Speaker 1: every nickel in your pocket that if you think that's
Speaker 1: the man, he does not beat an idea, I'll be
Speaker 1: interested in all right, Like the big fight in New
Speaker 1: York this weekend, Visily Loma Chenko is back. The former
Speaker 1: on one thirty d thirty five pounds champion has been
Speaker 1: off for more than a year now dealing with UM
Speaker 1: the struggle in the Ukraine. He was supposed to fight
Speaker 1: George campbos At the back out of that because of
Speaker 1: the war in Ukraine. He is fighting Jermaine Ortiz, who
Speaker 1: made his bones just a few months ago when he
Speaker 1: beat Jamal Herring. UM, the now retired former hundred thirty
Speaker 1: pounds champion. Uh. Look, Loma Checko is a big favorite
Speaker 1: in his fight and he should be. What are you expecting?
Speaker 1: What do you want to see out of Loma Checko
Speaker 1: when his first fight back? UM, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: expect him to be no mas Chenko and come back
Speaker 1: and wipe the floor with a young, hungry, undefeated, strong fighter,
Speaker 1: strong fighter Ortis. I was watching video on him. I
Speaker 1: watch his fight with Herring. He's impressive, and you know
Speaker 1: fighters like that they wait for a moment like this,
Speaker 1: you know, to to take down Uh. A legend pretty much.
Speaker 1: Loma is what a three division world champion, a gold
Speaker 1: medalist he has, He's gonna going to Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: or Tea's gonna be salivating to beat a fighter like
Speaker 1: this coming off a one year layoff, or Tease has
Speaker 1: been active. He's there's a third fight in so he's
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go as far as he's a live dog
Speaker 1: as far as skill wise, but attrition and youth and hunger,
Speaker 1: and when the and and in the later part of
Speaker 1: the fight, I give him a chance to to to
Speaker 1: to start touching up Loma make him uncomfortable. So what
Speaker 1: do I expect out of Loma to get out of
Speaker 1: this fight with a victory when no injuries, no cuts,
Speaker 1: and and no bad performances like a knockdown or or
Speaker 1: or or where you look you looked old. Just get
Speaker 1: out of this one, go to the next one. That's
Speaker 1: all I wanted of him. Yeah, I think there's going
Speaker 1: to be some ring rust, But if he's anything like
Speaker 1: the Loma Chenko that we're used to, Jamaine Orti is
Speaker 1: a good fighter. He looked really sharp against Jamal Harry,
Speaker 1: but Jamal Hary didn't have anywhere near the offense that
Speaker 1: Lomachenko does. Loma checks going through punches, uh in bunches.
Speaker 1: So I I want to see him dominate his fight
Speaker 1: in the later rounds and get the stopics because that
Speaker 1: will give him some of his momentum back. Now, Sergio,
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot um, whether it's on jabs, over
Speaker 1: onto zone or uh in previous podcasts about Devin Hany
Speaker 1: against lomon Chenko. I was talking last week to Jamal
Speaker 1: herring Um about this and the Devin Haney that I
Speaker 1: saw at the way in for the Cambosis fight. That
Speaker 1: wasn't a lightweight. That was a guy who drained himself
Speaker 1: to get back down two five pounds. So like we've
Speaker 1: spent some time talking about should Devin Haney take the
Speaker 1: Lomachenko fight, But I'll tell you this, if Devin Haney
Speaker 1: can get down to one in a safe way, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Lomoncheko would definitely take the fight, but I'd
Speaker 1: probably favored Devin Hany. Is that crazy too to think
Speaker 1: that Devon Hanny would be a favorite against loma Chenko? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not because that's um. That's that's that's the right
Speaker 1: style matchup. He's gonna have the size, that youth, the
Speaker 1: length of the jab and lomon j and lomon Chenko
Speaker 1: would well makes some what makes loman Chenko great is
Speaker 1: his footwork. It's the angles and the older you get,
Speaker 1: of course, the legs of the first thing to go,
Speaker 1: and they can go overnight. So Haney, you know, he's
Speaker 1: a master at distance. You know it's hard for fighters
Speaker 1: to break that distance. Camp Boss couldn't do it in
Speaker 1: twenty four rounds. A lot of fighters can do it
Speaker 1: in twenty four in in in in twelve rounds. So
Speaker 1: loman Chenko is gonna have to break that distance with footwork.
Speaker 1: He'll be able to have success in the first half
Speaker 1: of the fight. But the second half of the fight,
Speaker 1: when things slow down, you can bet Haney's youth, his vigor,
Speaker 1: and that that jab and that confidence, the fact that
Speaker 1: he has all the bells, he has so much to prove,
Speaker 1: the fact that he wanted this fight for a long time.
Speaker 1: That's when that's when it starts taking over. Already has
Speaker 1: won this fight for a long time. But let me
Speaker 1: ask you this. You saw Devin Haney at that way,
Speaker 1: he saw what he looked like. Should he take this
Speaker 1: fight or should he go up to one forty right now?
Speaker 1: Take the fight? I think he still he only should
Speaker 1: because he's still young enough to wear that the way,
Speaker 1: it doesn't affect him. He can still you know, even
Speaker 1: even though he did look very dehydrated and then drained.
Speaker 1: You know, he has youth on his side. He can
Speaker 1: bounce back really fast, you know. Draining you're drawing yourself
Speaker 1: law up like that. It only affects the older you are,
Speaker 1: So when you're years old, you're still able to do that,
Speaker 1: even at twenty five years old, you know, but on
Speaker 1: once you get into your late twenties. Now, man, that's
Speaker 1: very dangerous. Yeah. Look, I think that fight is going
Speaker 1: to happen. Devin Hany wants it, Lomachenko wants the opportunity
Speaker 1: to win all four belts. It is a legit pay
Speaker 1: per view in Las Vegas or Los Angeles wherever they
Speaker 1: choose to ultimately put. It's great fights what Devin Hany's
Speaker 1: always wants. So I do think he sucks back down
Speaker 1: to one five one more time. I just hope after
Speaker 1: it's over he doesn't regret it. But let's let's let's
Speaker 1: not give Haney is a very responsible fighter that's always
Speaker 1: on weight. He's never he's never no no. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: growing out of it, or maybe it's the fact that
Speaker 1: he had a fly he had a fly fifteen hours,
Speaker 1: you know, for several weeks beforehand. So it doesn't matter, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to acclimate to to the climate
Speaker 1: you're in and the places you are, The water, the
Speaker 1: food is different. It. I know it sounds like excuses,
Speaker 1: but when when anyone in boxing can tell you making
Speaker 1: weight it's a science, you know, it's it's not only
Speaker 1: it's not only working out in the gym, it's it's
Speaker 1: every little thing, not only where you are, but what
Speaker 1: you're drinking, what you're eating, and at what times, and
Speaker 1: you know when there's there's time differences makes a big difference.
Speaker 1: Is that what killed you? Um in the Forrest rematch
Speaker 1: from Vegas to my debauchery took a hold of there.
Speaker 1: But I gotta love it. Uh last thing for you.
Speaker 1: We are gonna be in San Diego this weekend for
Speaker 1: what I think is a sneaky good fight hundred thirty
Speaker 1: five pounds Jojo Diaz, former world champion UM at one
Speaker 1: thirty williams Apeta, who has become something of a name
Speaker 1: at one thirty five. They clash at lightweight. I love
Speaker 1: this fight, Sergio, because it's a true kind of crossroads
Speaker 1: fight for Jojo Diaz. He's coming off the loss to
Speaker 1: Devin Haney last year. He really needs a win. Zapeta.
Speaker 1: He has been a fast rising star, say to win
Speaker 1: over Hector Ta Howard last year, but his last couple
Speaker 1: of fights have been so so so so, his most
Speaker 1: recent one a decision win over Rene Albarado. But one
Speaker 1: way or the other, this is gonna be Rockham socking
Speaker 1: Robot for as long as it last. Both these guys
Speaker 1: throw punches and bunches of both of them have vowed
Speaker 1: that they are going to stand in the middle of
Speaker 1: the ring and trade. So what do you like in
Speaker 1: this fight? Man? Like you said, it's a It's a
Speaker 1: great fight between two south Paws that are completely different,
Speaker 1: not in style but in power. You know that Peter
Speaker 1: has that he raced, so he comes forward. He's very aggressive.
Speaker 1: He's a volume puncher. Jojo Diaz is also aggressive and
Speaker 1: a volume puncher, likes to mix it up, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't have the power. But what Jojo does bring to
Speaker 1: the table is timing, I mean, and he has a
Speaker 1: good jab when he uses it. You know, Jojo actually
Speaker 1: was doing really well with his jab with Haney. You know,
Speaker 1: I was watching that fight again and Haney, who has
Speaker 1: one of the best jabs in boxing, wasn't out jabbing
Speaker 1: Jojo in that fight. So that's timing. That's what Jojo
Speaker 1: brings to the table body shots. He's an excellent body puncher. Uh.
Speaker 1: He has a championship experience. Uh coming into this fight
Speaker 1: as a pay to. You know, he's only fought what
Speaker 1: a secondary champion in Alvarado, so he doesn't have that
Speaker 1: championship experience that Jojo has. What did you think fight
Speaker 1: against Olparado? I thought it was a workman like performance.
Speaker 1: You know, renw Alvarado is the type of bus all
Speaker 1: that that takes a big takes a big punch, hits
Speaker 1: hard enough to keep you honest about it, and a
Speaker 1: lot of experience. He was active, Uh, in great shape.
Speaker 1: You know, him and his brother worked together. They're hungry.
Speaker 1: They love these opportunities to shine. So it's hard to
Speaker 1: knock dudes out like that. Um. But this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a great example because if if um Jojo can
Speaker 1: win this fight, he's back, He's back in the mix
Speaker 1: in a hot lightweight division. And if the pay to
Speaker 1: can knock out a fighter who has never been knocked out,
Speaker 1: and he could have knocked him out, and Farmer definitely
Speaker 1: couldn't knock him out. Gary Russell, Gary Russell back in
Speaker 1: the day, you know, he was dominating that fight, but
Speaker 1: Jojo started too late. Then he started coming on. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a great look for Zipeta and and
Speaker 1: a new name in the lightweight division. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: the winner of this fight could be positioned for a
Speaker 1: world title shot pretty quickly, because whatever happens in the
Speaker 1: Haney versus Loma Chenko fight, it's more likely than not
Speaker 1: those belts fragment at some point, especially if Hanny wins,
Speaker 1: He's gonna vacate all those belts. Move up two d
Speaker 1: and thirty five pounds. You got Sakor Stevens under forty pounds.
Speaker 1: You've got Shakoor Stevenson lurking out there moving up to
Speaker 1: one thirty five. Tank Davis is still out there at
Speaker 1: one thirty five. If you're Jojo or Zapeta, you've got
Speaker 1: a great opportunity. What I think this fight comes down
Speaker 1: to Sergio is who is throwing the most punchers in
Speaker 1: the championship rounds, because I think both these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna match each other for volume early on. But who
Speaker 1: has the conditioning over the final three or four rounds
Speaker 1: of this fight, I think that's the guy that's gonna win.
Speaker 1: At Jojo has had some weight issues in the past,
Speaker 1: not at one five necessarily, but he has had some
Speaker 1: some conditioning issues in the past. If if both these
Speaker 1: guys are in great shape, the person the best shape,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have the best chance to win.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what it comes down to. Yes,
Speaker 1: that has something to do with it as well, but
Speaker 1: any fight that has something to do with the stamina
Speaker 1: and and everything, the jab and you know styles. This
Speaker 1: fight is gonna come down if JoJo's face holds up,
Speaker 1: if those cuts, that scar tissue holds up, because if
Speaker 1: that scar gets open early, like it didn't rock him
Speaker 1: off Fighter and other fights, it's it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: bloody mess. And Zapeta is gonna only, you know, get
Speaker 1: stronger and stronger. And even though he's not beating him
Speaker 1: by a lot, you know, Jojo has balls, man. I mean,
Speaker 1: he showed against Tevin Farmer that he was able to
Speaker 1: take that championship from him with the gruesome cut, So
Speaker 1: he's been able to do it before. He can probably
Speaker 1: do it again. But at twenty nine years old, through
Speaker 1: all that scar tissue, if that opens up early in
Speaker 1: that fights, that pay to will find a way to
Speaker 1: to stop him. If if he doesn't stop him, the
Speaker 1: corner will stop, at the referee, the doctor, someone will
Speaker 1: stop it. They're not gonna let Jojo, a veteran who
Speaker 1: has a lot of miles in his tank, go twelve
Speaker 1: rounds with all that blood coming up. So if his
Speaker 1: face holds up, Altos slightly favorite Jojo Diaz in this fight.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a great fight, maybe the best action
Speaker 1: fight of the weekend. Sergio Mora, are you planning to
Speaker 1: sign with b LK Prime next? I heard they're gonna
Speaker 1: look for more fighters. Hey, listen, man, I'm only coming
Speaker 1: back for one fighter, and you know his name. He's
Speaker 1: a sponsor of your show. He's a sponsor of your show.
Speaker 1: First of all, there's probably ten fighters you'd come back for.
Speaker 1: You can back for a paycheck, is what you came
Speaker 1: back for. I'm coming back for Jake Paul and if
Speaker 1: Spider Silva backs out, the snake will come in when
Speaker 1: we come back. My conversation with Katie Taylor, all right,
Speaker 1: Katie Taylor is the undisputed hundred and thirty five pound champion.
Speaker 1: On Saturday, she'll return to defend her titles, which takes
Speaker 1: on Karen Carba Hall at Wembley Arena in London. That's
Speaker 1: a fight you can see Saturday worldwide onto Zone and
Speaker 1: Katie joins me on the show. Kay back in the UK,
Speaker 1: back at Wembley where your pro career began, back in
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen. I'm wondering, what do you remember about
Speaker 1: your pro debut um. Yeah, I mean it definitely seems
Speaker 1: like a very fast six years, but yeah, I've got
Speaker 1: obviously great memories from that night. I was coming off
Speaker 1: a very disapinteer as an amateur and this is a
Speaker 1: fresh start for me, and I just remember it just
Speaker 1: I just walked into the ring as as a different fighter,
Speaker 1: I thought that night, and yeah, just an amazing moment.
Speaker 1: You only have one debut, and I'm so glad that
Speaker 1: that the day you actually went well and then turn
Speaker 1: around stoppage and and you had the start of an
Speaker 1: amazing journey for me in the ring as a pro.
Speaker 1: That was your first experience at professional prize fighting. Did
Speaker 1: you leave that fight thinking, Okay, I'm now confident I
Speaker 1: can do this. Yeah, I mean I think even before that,
Speaker 1: I had ambitions to bring the sports you into a
Speaker 1: new level, the women's side of things, and um, I
Speaker 1: was in any of your Hand's office a few weeks
Speaker 1: before that talking to him about Turner pro and my my,
Speaker 1: my ambitions, my expectations, and um, here we are a
Speaker 1: few years later where we just headlined mas and Square Garden.
Speaker 1: I don't think in a million years do you think
Speaker 1: that was going to happen. But it's just been an
Speaker 1: amazing journey. If you knew back then in two thousand
Speaker 1: sixteen that your career would go the way it is gone,
Speaker 1: how would you feel about it? Um, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I would obviously, UH would be very very satisfied. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, there's still a lot to be
Speaker 1: done as well, I think, and there's been a few
Speaker 1: um performances that that you haven't It's very very rare
Speaker 1: that you come out of the ring thinking your box briality,
Speaker 1: for example, there's obviously improval said that that had to
Speaker 1: have to be made, I think, and I don't think
Speaker 1: people have seen the best yet and that's a very
Speaker 1: exciting prospect for me. So, UM, I know that There's
Speaker 1: still a lot to be done, There's still a lot
Speaker 1: to be shown, and um, I'm just excited about for
Speaker 1: for us to come. Really, you're coming off the biggest
Speaker 1: win of your professional career. Do you believe that people
Speaker 1: have not seen the best of you yet? I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I think I was obviously it could performs
Speaker 1: the last time, but I think that there is more
Speaker 1: to be shown, and um, I am looking forward to
Speaker 1: actually showcasing that in the in the fight citcom. Um,
Speaker 1: I feel like I am getting better and better each
Speaker 1: each and every time, and um, yeah, I definitely feel
Speaker 1: like they're there. I have been to show my folk potentially. Yeah,
Speaker 1: You're back this weekend against Carbon Hall undefeated. Solid title
Speaker 1: defense for you, though not the rematch you were looking
Speaker 1: forward Toronto, not the high profile fight against someone like
Speaker 1: Chris Cyborg that I know your management team was trying
Speaker 1: to get you into over the last couple of fights
Speaker 1: a couple of months. How are you feeling about this
Speaker 1: particular fight? Um? Yeah, I mean I have you know
Speaker 1: this is going to be a to a fight. Like
Speaker 1: you said, she is a solid phone and she isn't
Speaker 1: a beaten a phone nineteen. No, I think too Argentine,
Speaker 1: and she has everything to gain and nothing to lose.
Speaker 1: So these these opponents are always very, very dangerous, and
Speaker 1: any one of my Man Storry opponents of always rasor
Speaker 1: game against me as well. So I'm expecting the best
Speaker 1: of of my opponent Saturday night, and um, I'm just
Speaker 1: excited that they jump back in there really and and
Speaker 1: the showcase what I can do. And it's been an
Speaker 1: amazing or so far. But I want to end on
Speaker 1: a on a high note, and I want to end
Speaker 1: on it on a great performance. I know You've been
Speaker 1: asked a lot in the last couple of weeks about
Speaker 1: the Amanda Serranto fight, but I'm wondering when, when the
Speaker 1: fight ended with Serranto and the days after, did you
Speaker 1: believe an immediate rematch was going to happen. Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I thought we were obviously in talked for
Speaker 1: for an a media rematch, and we were very well
Speaker 1: and prepared to jump right into it an immediate rematch,
Speaker 1: and we had a co park actually see a lot
Speaker 1: for one of the dates. Um, this is a big
Speaker 1: arena in our an eighty thousand people. That would have
Speaker 1: been a huge event. It's the only thing that would
Speaker 1: have topped. I think what happened in mass the square garden. Um,
Speaker 1: But obviously it didn't happen, and we we had to
Speaker 1: jump back game with with my mandatory p on a
Speaker 1: Saturday night and staid. But we were ready and willing
Speaker 1: to jump right back in for an immediate rematch. What's
Speaker 1: your understanding of why it didn't happen? Um, I think
Speaker 1: they just wanted to have another a couple of fights
Speaker 1: basically before jumped back into it into rematch. Um. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so I obviously respect that what we were ready to
Speaker 1: jump by the game, but um, but yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: make any different source whether it's whether it's the next
Speaker 1: fighter or the fight after. But I think it is
Speaker 1: because still going to happen next year or sometimes. And
Speaker 1: I still to this day think it is the biggest
Speaker 1: fight out there in Will's box on them and the
Speaker 1: first flight was used, but I can imagine how big
Speaker 1: that the second five would actually be after the first
Speaker 1: one was was was iconic. So yeah, I think that's uh,
Speaker 1: that's obviously a huge, huge MACA fight. Again, you you
Speaker 1: won the fight, and you don't often see the person
Speaker 1: that won the fight showing the most interest in running
Speaker 1: it back again. But it seems like it is important
Speaker 1: to you to have a second fight with the Manda Serranto.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just a bit crazy. I always want
Speaker 1: to I always want the big fights and the and
Speaker 1: the and the toughest chances. And I definitely do believe
Speaker 1: that it's the biggest fight out there. I just want
Speaker 1: to be I want to be involved in these big
Speaker 1: mega fights and um and I think that's well, it's
Speaker 1: it's fights like that that actually secure your legacy as
Speaker 1: a fighter as well, just being involved and and and
Speaker 1: huge mac of fight after macafil and and I just
Speaker 1: want to give to the fans with what you want. Really,
Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned your legacy. Your legacy is secure.
Speaker 1: You are one of the greatest women's boxers of all time,
Speaker 1: decorated amateur, decorated pro. But you talk a lot, and
Speaker 1: have just talked a lot about bigger fights ahead, bigger
Speaker 1: nights ahead. What do you want out of the rest
Speaker 1: of your career? What what are you looking for over
Speaker 1: these next couple of years. And well, one of the
Speaker 1: things that I would actually love is to have a
Speaker 1: big homecome fight in Ireland. That's uh six years as
Speaker 1: a pro and I still have an actually at back home,
Speaker 1: which is crazy. So I think I'd actually love love
Speaker 1: that big homecorn fight. And we're talking about Croke Park people,
Speaker 1: and that would be such a huge events and that
Speaker 1: that would be a dream for me to actually have
Speaker 1: a chance to fight there and and to give the
Speaker 1: RS fans and and and just to support it that
Speaker 1: they've given me to have my whole career both as
Speaker 1: a professional boxer and manager boxer. I think that they
Speaker 1: also deserve a big night like that. You know the
Speaker 1: politics of you fighting in Ireland bet than anybody. Um,
Speaker 1: you talk about it now, are you? Are you more
Speaker 1: confident now that a Croke Park fight can happen next
Speaker 1: year than you have been in years past. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: I think it is definitely gonna happen at some stage.
Speaker 1: Like I said, even for the immediate we were obviously
Speaker 1: in talks for an iMedia rematch and we had co
Speaker 1: Park actually sealed awful one of those days in September sometime,
Speaker 1: so we were definitely were ready to jump in and fight.
Speaker 1: And I have a big homecorn cocorn fight co Park,
Speaker 1: So it is definitely gonna happen some stage, Which is
Speaker 1: which is fine thinking for me, even thinking about it
Speaker 1: and having a big fight at home, eighty thousand people
Speaker 1: and this is really the stuff dreams. The last thing
Speaker 1: I want to ask you is, you know one point
Speaker 1: five million viewers for your fight with Amanda Serranto, two
Speaker 1: million for Claressa Shields and Savannah Marshall over in the UK,
Speaker 1: you're back headlining at Wembley Arena to close out the year.
Speaker 1: Women's boxing is putting up numbers. It's it's backing up
Speaker 1: the talk with actual data, with the fact that people
Speaker 1: are watching women's boxing. What do you think of you
Speaker 1: know where women's boxing is right now? How do you
Speaker 1: feel about it? It's incredible, um um. We're seeing even
Speaker 1: Clarissa against Savana, what an amazing and night that was,
Speaker 1: and what an amazing white Boaker els shows so much
Speaker 1: hard and grit, and and the same with Alicia and Mikaela.
Speaker 1: Is such a great fight and just great great fights.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking now we're actually seeing the biggest the biggest
Speaker 1: name is possibly boxing could could possibly be female fighters
Speaker 1: and even this year the two fights of Fights of
Speaker 1: the year contenders on himself and Sabrano, the rest Shields
Speaker 1: and Savana Marshall. That alone is is just amazing, even
Speaker 1: even saying that. So women's boxing is is that an
Speaker 1: all time high right now? And and the thing about
Speaker 1: is is it's only going to get better and better
Speaker 1: with somebody's young girls coming up. What an exciting time
Speaker 1: to be involved in women's boxing. Who is let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, not to ask about the bests in
Speaker 1: the world, but who is Katie Taylor's favorite women's fighter
Speaker 1: to watch? Um My, my my team are here laughing
Speaker 1: at me. I don't know, I said, probably say, she's
Speaker 1: obviously prilliant to watch. I also love Wrotten Lucy a
Speaker 1: riker from back in the nineties US using an incredible fighter. Um,
Speaker 1: I love it was also when women had had the
Speaker 1: opportunity we actually have. I now it's holtly because it
Speaker 1: also that we're that we're in the position at end
Speaker 1: the day as well. But yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: incredible that. You know, we talked about this last week
Speaker 1: that the gap, even though there is a gap between
Speaker 1: men's boxing and women's boxing popularity, it's closing because women's
Speaker 1: boxing is giving fans great fights and the fights that
Speaker 1: they're asking for more often than not. And that's that's
Speaker 1: just a good sign for the future because right the
Speaker 1: depth of women's boxing is growing by the month. It
Speaker 1: seems like with when're getting into the sport. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and yeah, we're seeing the best person is the best
Speaker 1: all the time, and women's boxing in comparisons sometimes the
Speaker 1: demand side of things where we're not actual seeing the
Speaker 1: best flights app on them. People are getting frustrated at times.
Speaker 1: Book for the women's the point of view where we're
Speaker 1: we're seeing, like I said, the chapter grasses chapan eache
Speaker 1: each and every time that's a that's the thing that's
Speaker 1: actually other being the sport. Yeah, fans get frustrated, media
Speaker 1: get frustrated to talking about that never actually happened as well, Katie,
Speaker 1: good luck on Saturday, Karen Carralba Hall your title defense
Speaker 1: at one thirty five back on the Zone over in
Speaker 1: the UK. Always great to catch up Katie, and good
Speaker 1: luck to you. Thank you so al much for and
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Speaker 1: week on the pay per view in Arizona, Jake Paul
Speaker 1: against Anderson Silva, the Problem Child against the Spider. The
Speaker 1: odds for this fight right now are pretty close. Jake
Speaker 1: Paul is at minus one nine to win, Anderson Silva
Speaker 1: a plus one fifty two underdog. I like Jake Paul.
Speaker 1: I think Jake, for all his critics, is becoming a
Speaker 1: pretty good boxer. And even though Anderson Silva has that
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Speaker 1: I think he wins the Spider. Take Jake Paul to
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Speaker 1: Jake Paul has shown some fantastic power up throughout his
Speaker 1: boxing career. He stopped Tyron Woodley with a one punch
Speaker 1: knockout in their last fight. Silva again has been a
Speaker 1: durable guy in mm A. Buddy's forty seven years old
Speaker 1: and this is an eight round fight. I don't know
Speaker 1: if this fight ends with one punch in the way
Speaker 1: that Jake has stopped Woodley and Ben askerin and Nate Robinson.
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