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That's what captures the imagination. Like, Hello, 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:28.959 welcome to the Chris Mannix Podcast. My name is Chris Mannix. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.200 You don't do something like have you ever listened? You 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.080 do listen to the podcast. Don't even say you don't 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.840 every I only listen when I'm on. Okay, that's weird 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.399 because you know what's being said. At the very beginning 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.760 of the podcast. There is animation that plays yeah, but 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.120 it's not you. I can intro the show for you. 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.039 If you don't want to be my guests, please don't 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.760 in for the show from me, don't show Senior editor 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.200 of Sports Illustrated Chris Mannix is my guest tonight. Oh 0:01:54.320 --> 0:02:00.120 Chris sior writer but okay, not editor. We talk about 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.440 your tweets. By the way, you are a rage tweeter, 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.720 you know that, right, Like you wake up and like 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.760 you just wake up sometimes and just send out like 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.040 twenty tweets in a row. I've never done more than 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.760 five in one day, and I'm like all back to 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.520 back to back. Though. Look, man, I'm like Hemmingway of Twitter. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:19.160 I write best in the morning. Can I for the record, 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:23.960 Sergio Morris here, former junior middleweight champion to Zone broadcaster, UM, 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.760 you had a tweet about a week ago and I 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:28.840 flagged this because I wanted to bring this up on 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:32.480 the podcast. Somebody asked you, quote Riz, now, why did 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.400 you walk away from the Jermaine Taylor fight when Jermaine 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:39.239 was undisputed? Your response, I only had one ten round 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:44.800 fight under my belt. I wasn't ready. Bullshit, I call bullshit. 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:48.080 Tell the people the real story about why you didn't 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.000 fight your main Tanler. Well, it was partly because I 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.440 only fought one ten rounder. I was only I only 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.160 have seventeen pro fights. And most importantly, we're a hundred 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.919 and fifty thou dollars away from a million dollars. That's 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.720 why Loudabella and I would have done it. But see 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.640 that's why that's the real story here. As soon as 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.120 I read that, sweet, I go bullshit. If they had 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.600 paid you two underground, you would have bought a fifteen 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.720 rounder against it if they asked you for You're right, 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.280 all right, A lot to get into. UH. This week, 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.800 we've got some news with Ryan Garcia and Tag Davis 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:22.960 got a few good fights this weekend. You're good, pal. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.160 Jake Paul is back in action as well. But I 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:31.080 want to start with boxing being boxing once again. Uh, 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:36.560 this past week, negotiations for an Errol Spence Terrence Crawford 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:42.440 fight collapsed. Crawford elected to sign a deal with b 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:46.080 LK Prime Video and he is going to fight in 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:52.160 December against David Avenecian, a good fighter. But that's certainly 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.560 a letdown from the Errol Spence fife. There's been Sergio, 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.920 a lot of he said, she said here, Bud Crawford 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:03.720 has blamed Errol Spence, and PBC Errol Spence has blamed 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.640 but Crawford, you go on social media. Everybody seems to 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.240 think they have the most accurate information. But let's start here. 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.880 Your reaction to a long discussed fight falling apart once again. 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.480 I told you so, I told you it was gonna happen. 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.400 You were the only optimistic person in boxing that that 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.719 was actually uh feeling good about that fight being made 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.240 in late November. I think our last podcast, I told 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.839 you it is not happening. It's not enough time to 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.040 promote the shows, it's not to to promote the fight. Well, 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:33.440 I had to do with the date though that was 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.040 the date. It wasn't enough time, and they weren't talking 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.520 about it. Nobody was talking about it, so there was 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.440 no way they were gonna put a mega fight, the 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.359 biggest fight in boxing in in that much of a 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.360 hurry and that much of a rush. That's how I 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.839 knew it wasn't gonna happen. They needed to the whole 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.840 promotional machine coming out, They needed all guns blazing and 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:55.600 every talk show. It didn't happen for many reasons, and 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.000 I blame a lot of people manics. I just don't 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.760 blame budd and Spence, but you gotta aim the managers, 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:02.720 and you gotta blame the advisers, and you gotta blame 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.719 the lawyers, and you gotta blame the promoters and the networks. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.520 It's all one big uh. I don't know the word 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.440 for it, but it's all one big mess. You know, 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.080 whenever you're dealing with so many people, so many contracts, 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.640 so many loyalties that you have to like cross bridges, 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.839 it's not gonna happen. There's just too many, too many 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.279 hurdles to jump, and I just felt that that's one 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.000 of the biggest fights in boxing that's never gonna happen 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.120 when it should. BLK Prime video coming out of nowhere 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.360 was not something and anybody anticipated I had never Who 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.200 is and is a video on demand service that has 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:40.039 dabbled in boxing some and is clearly attempting to get 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:45.160 into boxing. I I guess that's that's a decent comparison 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.839 for the moment. They signed Terence Crawford to a one 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.440 fight deal. Reportedly they signed Adrian Broner to a three 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.159 fight deal. We'll see what happens with that. I have 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:58.080 been told there is some real money behind it, um, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.720 some hedge fund money, some investment bank money, something along 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.920 those lines. And look, if you're Crawford and you really 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:10.200 can get eight figures to fight David Avenecian, and the 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:16.160 negotiations between yourself and Errol Spence and al Haman weren't 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.520 going the way you wanted to. I kind of understand it. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.039 I mean, David Avensi is a good fighter, but he 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.520 is going to be lunch meat against Arrow Spence. He 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:27.400 is going to go out there and try to brawl 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.760 at Errol Spence is going to put him down. This 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.280 is going to end badly. For David Avensi. So if 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.400 you're Errol Spence and you really can get ten million 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.240 plus to fight him, I understand it. My problem with 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.920 all this is that I think this was the final 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.400 nail in the coffin for Spence versus Crawford. It sure 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:49.479 sounds like Errol Spence, who has spent like a decade 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:53.800 or more fighting at a hundred forty seven pounds, who 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.040 was in the Olympics at a hundred and fifty plus pounds, 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.880 is done with wealthier weight. He wants to move up. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.719 There aren't great fights available to him. If Crawford isn't 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.680 he's not going to fight Standy Onis Like I don't 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.320 see that happening. He clearly doesn't want to fight Keith 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.840 Thurmant and like the mandatory is out there Boots Ennis, 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.640 Virgil Ortiz, potentially he's not going to fight either one 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.760 of them. So it sounds like the next step for 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.080 Errol Spence is going to be moving up. And you 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.880 know this, Sergio, if he moves up, he ain't coming 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.800 back down. So the chances of us getting a welterweight 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:33.840 unification fight between Spencing Crawford one that would truly crown 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.880 the best fighter in that division, they may have vanished 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.200 completely after the all this. We're not in thees no more. 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.920 We're not dealing with the fabulous for We're not being 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.360 dealing with the best fighting the best. It's nowadays it's 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:50.280 the best chasing the best pay days. And it's unfortunate 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.920 because the fans, you know, they've they've been supporting boxing 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.640 so long, and when it comes to the time, the 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.440 right time, that opportune time where everything's perfect, these guys 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.200 are undefeated there at their pound for pound best, and 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.600 if they only can make that fight, it's just it 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.240 puts boxing at the number one spotlight of all sports, 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.640 and it just doesn't happen because there's just too much 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.800 red red wires to cross, too much, too much paperwork, 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.600 too many promoters and managers, advisers Like I said, man, 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.880 it was just too much to do. And and when 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.280 you were so optimistic about it, which is a rarity 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.760 because you're just curmudgeon, well I just felt like I 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.360 was just like, what the hell, all of a sudden, 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.400 you're positive, Well, look, the options for these two guys 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:36.160 were limited. When I was talking like that, nobody saw 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.959 this BLK Prime video thing coming, Like I don't. I 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.800 don't even see it coming. It sounds like a boy 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:46.920 band BLK BLK Promotions Prime Video. I think it's sounds 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.280 like I don't think it's promotional. Sounds like something to 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:55.079 speak briefly on BLK Prime Video. What they're doing isn't 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.480 gonna work. Like they're doing a one fight deal with 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.640 Terrence Crawford. They're going to put it on version of 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.680 pay per view, it's going to do well under a 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:08.240 hundred thousand buys, and there's just no scenario where they 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:09.959 can make that money back. The same thing with his 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.640 Broner deal. Browner hasn't fought in well over a year. 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.760 He hasn't one a meaningful fight since two thousands sixteen. 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:19.520 His drawing power has has largely vanished. I saw a 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.720 video of him recently announcing the deal. He did not 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.840 look like he was anywhere close to fighting shape at 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.440 the moment. So I don't know what their their endgame 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.080 is for all this. But if you're Crawford Spence, that 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:32.560 might have done it. Maybe we see them fight at 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.760 one fifty four down the line. But I'm not crossing 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:38.760 my fingers and counting on it, because Crawford is what 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.960 in his mid thirties. Spence is approaching his mid thirties. 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.600 I think we've lost our chance to see that fight forever. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.000 And that's and I hate to say it, but you did, 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.240 you did tell me so, all right, I want to 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.320 talk about some news that I reported this week and 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.240 get your take on it. Ryan Garcia and Tank Davis 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:59.839 seemed to be right there on the contractual element a 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.040 a deal for them to fight. They have agreed broadly 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.320 on the financial terms, which means I've been told the 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:10.120 guarantees for each fighter and the percentage split for each fighter. 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.280 They have agreed on the weight thirty six pound, which 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.080 is one pound above the weight Tank prefers to fight 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.960 at and three or four pounds below what Ryan Garcia 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.400 prefers to fight at. They agreed on the date, which 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.600 is supposed to be sometime in January, the location which 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.680 is supposed to be Las Vegas. They seem to be 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:34.720 right there on the financial terms. Where they're not is 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.480 close to a deal for the broadcast rights. Tank Davis 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.400 has been aligned with Showtime for his last eleven fights, 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.880 Ryan Garcia with the Zone Um. The two sides have spoken, 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:50.400 I've been told, but they are not close to a 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:55.280 deal on the broadcast, right, So are you equally as 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.680 pessimistic Sergio about the chances we get to see Ryan 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.680 Garcia Tank Davis or do you think there's a pathway 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:03.640 for this fight to get There's a pathway. There's a 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:08.040 pathway because Ryan Garcia has a big following, uh the kid, 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.400 you know, whenever he tweets, millions of people read it, 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.880 it gets retweeted. He has a following and Instagram and Twitter, 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:19.600 you know, tanks very popular. So whenever these two do 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.120 decide to talk and and and and and try to 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:26.360 make a fight, people are listening, and people want this fight. 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.679 It's a big one of the biggest fights in boxing. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.920 And these guys are so young and and and hungry, 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:33.880 and they're good at what they do and knock people out. 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.400 Not only that Mannix, but there with well, at least 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.360 Ryan Garcia is he's with a promoter that wants to 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.120 make it happen. So when Oscar the Lahoya tweets, the 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.000 world of boxing listens. So not only does Ryan Garcia 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.960 want to fight Uscia the Lahoya want to fight, it's 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.080 maywhere the promotions and and Mayweather and Leonard Ellerb and 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.800 Tank they're the ones that are silent about it. Ryan 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.040 Garcia keeps goinging them on, like, come on, kid, let's 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:58.800 do it. Let's do it. And it's a bad look 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.080 for Tank, but I think it's gonna be. You can't 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.600 keep you can't keep just uh, you know, staying silent 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.199 about it. Tank tweets and deletes. He's kind of like me, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.400 you know, whenever I remember Ryan Garcia says anything. But 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.800 you could tell Tank wants it. You could tell Tank 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:15.800 wants to response to this. Kid says let's get it on. 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:17.920 But the powers that be and the people behind them 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.800 won't let it happen. And those people, whether it's maywere 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.520 the promotions or network or the lawyers or whatever it is, 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.280 they can't keep treading lightly. He's a tank. His name's Tank. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.640 You can't tread lightly with a tank. Let him destroy, 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.240 Let him do what he does best, and that's fight, 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.760 and let him, you know, uh, do it at the 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.160 right time. Don't wait any longer. I mean, this is 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.240 the time to do it. And hopefully it happens. And 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:45.160 I'm optimistic about this one. I'm glad. I'm I wouldn't 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.880 say I'm optimistic. I wouldn't say I'm pessimistic. I'm right 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.560 in the middle right now. I do think that Al 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:55.400 Hayman and Maywe the promotions are operating in good faith 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.040 trying to make this fight happen. Otherwise, why would they 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:02.160 agree to all the financial terms. I think everybody involved 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.920 wants this fight. What has to budge is Hayman and 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:11.880 Mayweather Promotions have to authorize and tell Steven Espinosa that 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.200 he needs to make a deal with the Zone for 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.280 this fight. Now, people listening, they know Sergio and I 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.079 are part of the Zone broadcast team, but this is 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.000 not about that. What this is about is getting a 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.720 deal done, and it does not get done unless there 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:33.439 is a co promotion get involves that involves both networks. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:38.679 Do Zone is willing to do a type of deal 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.440 that we saw with Mayweather and Pacio, the type of 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.960 deal that they were talking about doing with Tyson Fury 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:46.760 and Anthony Joshua. His Zone is willing to do that. 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.920 They want to split everything in an equitable ray way. 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:55.000 Right now, my understanding is that these negotiations haven't really 0:13:55.040 --> 0:14:00.120 gone anywhere because Showtime is telling the Zone that may 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:05.000 with the Promotions and PBC are saying this fight happens 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.360 as a Showtime pay per view. I'm telling you it's 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.360 not gonna happen without it being a Showtime paper. People 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.520 can say, well, Ryan Garcia doesn't have a contract with 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.600 the Zone. Well Tank Davis doesn't have a contract with Showtime. 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.240 Why can't it be on one neper It doesn't matter. 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.880 Tank Davis is a showtime fighter. Ryan Garcia, for the moment, 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.760 is a de zown fighter by virtue of his contract 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.120 with Golden Boy. If this fight could happen on one network, 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.920 it would have happened already. It needs to The two 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.080 sides need to come together and make this deal. Let 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.600 me tell you something, Sergio, this is not a hard 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:42.320 deal to make. Like you use previous deals as a blueprint, 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.800 You louse Mayweather Packiau the structure of it as a blueprint. 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:50.280 You use Fury Wilder as a blueprint. ESPN and Fox 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.280 rivals in the sports game. They got together, they made 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.400 a deal and we saw two great fights, including the 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.680 last one, which is one of the best heavyweight fights 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.320 I've seen in a very long time, certainly the best 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.960 fight I've seen in person. You can do this. It's 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:10.760 about greed, It's about ego. If this fight gets blocked, 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.160 it's going to be at the network level. And I'm 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.240 just gonna say this, I think it will be blocked 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.240 because of Mayweather Promotions and out Hym and I think 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.800 they will be the ones that stopped this fight from 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.960 happening because I think the zone wants to do a deal. 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.360 I quite frankly think if push comes to shove, Showtime 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.960 would do a deal because Showtime has nothing else for 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.080 Tank Davis. Does anybody really want to see Tank versus 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.560 a cruise too? Because that's where we're trending towards if 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.360 this fight doesn't get made. So I think there needs 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.560 to be kind of a loosening of the reins, get 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.680 the ego out of the situation, make a co promotional deal, 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.840 and then make a fight that is one of, if 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.520 not the most marketable fight you can make in all 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.560 of boxing today. The eagle you said it, I think 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.480 you know the people, the people that are involved have big, 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.320 big egos, and you know, fighters of course have big 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:01.960 eagles because that's what it takes to get in the ring. 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.880 But the people in the suits, what what what are 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.960 their egos about? They don't want to work with other 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:12.640 people across the Street because what oh uh, it's it's childish, 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.680 is it's it's immature, it's not it's not good business. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.200 They could say that they don't have the following or 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.280 the audience or or or they don't have the subscriptions, 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.120 the zone doesn't. But what what have they done? Like 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.800 you said, what has Showtime done? What hbos out of 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.880 business or else? What have brought them up? What have 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:31.800 they done? What are the name but numbers they're pulling? 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.680 And what stars are they making? Tank right now is 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.240 a bona fide star, but he's not in the he's 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.960 not sailing over five thousand pay per views. He's a 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.480 nobody is at this No, But that's my point. Ex 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.960 Showtime has done a really good job at building Tank 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.520 into the pay per view star. Damn good job. But 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:54.840 he's not in the over probably nobody ever will be. Again, 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.360 if the pay per view numbers for Wilder Ryan Garcia 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.840 will be we'll see, we'll see. I mean, look, those 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:02.840 days maybe gone forever. We don't, we don't know if 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.240 the million plus pay per view buys. My point in 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.800 all this is that Showtime has spent a lot of 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:11.840 time and a lot of money investing and building Gavante Davis. 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.200 The Zone has spent a lot of time and a 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.720 lot of money investing and building Ryan Garcia. Neither network 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.000 should be excluded, and they don't have to be because 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.440 you can make a deal that will make everybody happy. 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:26.280 And here's the difference. Ryan Garcia's promoter, Golden Boy, Oscar Deloya, 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.680 they want that fight to happen, but on the other 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.679 side of the fence, Mayweather, they don't say anything, so 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.040 that they're actually to blame a little bit here too, 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.560 because if if the fighter and Ryan Garcia the promoter, 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.399 and Oscar Delaya, if they're the ones talking, they're willing 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.240 to make a deal, They're willing to to to to 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:45.840 talk over the contracts and the deal and and everything, 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.080 and they're just saying quiet about it. Well, there to blame. 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:51.320 I mean, I hate to be so blunt about it, 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.680 but they're the ones not saying anything about it, which 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.720 means they don't want that fight, and it's it's upsetting. 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.400 I don't need them to say anything. I just needed 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.400 to make a deal because if this fight falls through, 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.040 we're gonna see Tank against someone we don't care about, 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.439 and we're probably gonna see Ryan in against someone we 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.120 don't care about, and that would be catastrophic for boxing. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.800 In the aftermath of the Arrow Spence fight, let me 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.800 transition to uh, a favorite topic of yours. Jake Paul 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.480 is back going for his sixth professional win when he 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.639 takes on Anderson Silva down in Phoenix. This figures to 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.159 be a pretty big event. Tickets have moved exceptionally well. 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.480 Jake has done pretty solid numbers on pay per view 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:35.679 in his time headlining over at Showtime. Anderson Silva is 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.160 best known for his m m A exploits. He's one 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.159 of the greatest mixed martial largest of all time, maybe 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.840 the greatest mixed martial artist of all time. But he 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:49.040 is also a decent boxer. He is three and one. 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.679 Now he's not a decent box Okay, okay, hold on, 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:53.440 hold on, let me finish what I'm saying. He's three 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.720 and one. He has a win over Julio Caesar Chavez Jr. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:58.960 That's a real win. He beat the former middleweight champion 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.720 Legit League just last year. So here's the question I 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:06.400 have for you. If Jake Paul beats Anderson Silva, does 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:10.199 he deserve credit for that? Deserves got nothing to do 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.600 with it because he's not fighting a boxer in a 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.880 boxing ring. He's fighting a forty seven year old man, 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.000 forty seven years old and a guy that's never been 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.320 in a boxing ring other than with a lazy, uh 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:29.439 irresponsible former champion in Chavez, who you know, he probably 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.360 wasn't even in shape. He just took that pay day. 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:35.680 Anderson Silva lost his professional debut because he actually fought 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:39.360 uh a fighter with a record from there, He's fought 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.360 non boxers. So you can't say he's a boxer. Jake 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:45.600 Paul is okay, but you can't says is a boxer. 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:47.439 You call him lazy, and that's fine, but he's a 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:51.199 real box that's the only that's the only thing that 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.760 brings some kind of credibility. But Chavez is lazy, irresponsible, 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.639 and he's not reliable. We all know that. Boxing knows that. 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.359 But yeah, you gotta give Anderson Silva credit it for 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.840 beating him. Okay, I'll do that. It will split decision, 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.879 but whatever the other wins, what decisions, I get it. 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.560 But there were against other fighters. Man, you're just you're 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.920 you're trying too hard to promote Jake Paul. Jake Paul 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.479 needs to be fighting a boxer. I don't care if 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:17.920 he's an OH and five boxer, but a boxer someone 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:21.640 that fought five professional boxers and lost, then I can 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:25.240 give him credit. Anderson Silva just fought one professional fighter 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:27.680 in Chavez. He got a split decision and he got 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.960 knocked out in his pro debut versus another professional boxer. 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.359 The other guys were making the professional debuts, they weren't 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:38.240 professional boxers. So Jake Paul does not earn my respect here. 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.080 I give him credit for being a hustler, for being 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.200 uh one of these just these guys that can turn 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:49.000 uh leimonate into ship into lemonade. I give him credit 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.760 for that. Man, he gets attentions, he gets the eyeballs, 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.600 that the new YouTube you know, crowd, all the credit 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.480 to him. Make your money, son. But whenever you come 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:01.240 to boxing and you want to start talking ship that 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:02.879 you want to call out all these big names and 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:04.800 you want to do this and you want to take over, 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:06.800 and you want to start bad mouthing boxers, that when 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:08.680 that's when we gotta just nip it in the button 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:10.560 and be like, dude, shut the funk up until you 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:15.399 fight something. I don't think boxers like He bad mouths 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.720 boxing in general, and he should because boxing is in 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.240 the toilet right now. It doesn't make any good fights. 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:26.240 The schedule on most networks is devoid of anything remotely interesting. 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.639 We're doing a couple of good ones. We're doing on 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.800