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Speaker 1: triumph of another week of Dallas Cowboys offseason talk. The

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft in the review mirror, the rookie minicamps right

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Speaker 1: on the horizon. As We've got plenty to talk about.

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Speaker 1: And we talked a lot about defense over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of episodes, and deservedly so because the Cowboys spent

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Speaker 1: gonna talk some offense today. Change it up a little

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Speaker 1: bit and talk about the offense. Glad you're with us.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's, Robbed Phillips, We've got Isaiah stand Back heck,

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Speaker 1: my Harrison as always the world famous shirt. The shirt

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Speaker 1: from the pro shop. Man. You have to check it out.

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Speaker 1: They knew who I was in the pro shop. I'm

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Speaker 1: huge in the Pro shop. Bro, I've never seen that one.

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Speaker 1: It's like him and BUCkies. I think it's custom. This

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Speaker 1: is the kind of velvet painting it on something like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't do to paint it on. You know. You

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Speaker 1: know what Isaiah does do though, that none of us

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Speaker 1: else could do. He ran the one hundred meters before

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Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, how'd you fair? What's your time? I

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Speaker 1: placed fifth in pac tens? Which is U say that

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Speaker 1: I'm not good enough? But I ran a ten four

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Speaker 1: with wide receivers in this confidence that makes y'all believe

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Speaker 1: that you could just walk out on the track and well,

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Speaker 1: to be fair, I was. I was a quarterback at

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Speaker 1: the time. Heck, oh, my bad, bad, my bad, starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I was, you know, not to say I was a

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Speaker 1: fast quarterback in the nation, but anyway, just a double back.

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Speaker 1: M No, I mean I admire and I recognize. Um,

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Speaker 1: I acknowledge what Decay did. UM I respected, I respected.

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Speaker 1: He's faster than I was at that time. I can

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Speaker 1: tell you that you buy by a step or so.

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Speaker 1: So as a large human being running against a lot

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Speaker 1: of fast human beings. Um And like he said, most

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Speaker 1: guys wouldn't do that. Most guys would not put themselves

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Speaker 1: in a position to lose. You know what you're going

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Speaker 1: to lose, But you're putting yourself in an environment where

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Speaker 1: other people are better than you, so all you can

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Speaker 1: do is get better. So what we're talking about. By

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Speaker 1: the way, just for those who you who haven't necessarily

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Speaker 1: seen this on social media, it's blown up on Twitter

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Speaker 1: and it's blown up around social media. But Seattle Seahawks

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Speaker 1: wide receiver DK Metcalf decided to run the one hundred

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Speaker 1: meters in attempt to qualify for the qualifiers of the Olympics. Basically, right,

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Speaker 1: he wanted to try and make the Olympic trials and

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Speaker 1: that's what this race was. He ended up running out

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Speaker 1: he outweighed by forty pounds, and that's what they do.

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Speaker 1: That's where I was going, Yes, because Nick and I

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Speaker 1: technique stuff involved. He is times of it doing on

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Speaker 1: a daily basis. Right, he had the same struggles I

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Speaker 1: and these guys are light there there. They've been trained

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Speaker 1: since since birth to run fast in a straight line. Right,

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Speaker 1: He's trained to move grown men out the way, he's

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Speaker 1: It's muscle natural. Yeah, it's muscle memory. So respect to him,

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Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. Yeah, high school. And so I mean we

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Speaker 1: no way. If a pit bull got loose, he's getting loose.

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Speaker 1: He's getting away. You're not. Yeah, that's that's the fact,

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Speaker 1: completely agreed, that's putting it in perspective for real. Everybody

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Speaker 1: want to if a pit bull got loosen, you're going

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Speaker 1: Everybody else not me, No, No, I told y'all line

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Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola up against me, and I'm confident everybody else.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any confident that a race. So what

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Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen you do better than that if you're real,

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Speaker 1: I don't really know. Yeah, you would have to. Can

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Speaker 1: beat Chris Be? Yeah? I could beat Chris Beam. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So you want to set this up or no? That's

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Speaker 1: a no? Yeah, the violence, I would see it. What

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Speaker 1: do we really have this conversation on Twitter? Jesse? Wasn't

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Speaker 1: Jesse involved with? Yeah? Well we talked about a combine

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Speaker 1: like yeah, between the shows, we also talked about you

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Speaker 1: guys racing. Yeah, let's do it. I'd be down, let's

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Speaker 1: do it. Let's do it up on the Tostitos Championship

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Speaker 1: plason and run a race. Do you need to start? Uh,

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Speaker 1: You know, there's not an Andy Dalton just sitting out

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking at. I'm not looking at somebody, Hey,

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Speaker 1: And what kind of experience do they bring playoffs? Giants

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Speaker 1: that's it, and that's that's what you're looking for. Right.

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Speaker 1: it knowing some some time back up months back that

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Speaker 1: to go with the defensive player at that point, or

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Speaker 1: at least that's what they thought, and they went and

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Speaker 1: they took a Micah Parsons there because they missed on

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Speaker 1: some of those picks previously. So I think I would

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Speaker 1: still add a veteran offensive lineman because a tackle for sure. Okay, yeah, tackle.

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Speaker 1: I feel decent about the guard spot with Martin Williams

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Speaker 1: hopefully being healthy throughout. I mean, I feel decent there.

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Speaker 1: That's an average positions favorite. Oh he's not my favorite either.

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Speaker 1: I tried to replace him with Rashawns later for like

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Speaker 1: six months. But I would feel better there if in

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Speaker 1: terms of availability at the guard spot rather than tackles.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I think tackle would probably be my

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton to just have have him ready just in case,

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Speaker 1: give me that, because I mean, I'm confident DA's gonna

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Speaker 1: be good, you know, I'm not. I'm not worried about that.

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Speaker 1: But in the event something happens, your season is just

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Speaker 1: in major jeopardy, you know, in terms of playoffs, without

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Speaker 1: your without your starter. And I think just das you know,

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Speaker 1: And when we saw him go down, go down, and

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Speaker 1: we realized he wouldn't come back, I think we took

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Speaker 1: you know, the guy that was especially Isaiah's coming up. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you know this may be the start of something, but

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Speaker 1: he's just to your question, I really believe backup or

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Speaker 1: even thinking about the Super Bowl Kansas City, you know,

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's it's a little it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of give and take, and you can't have one

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Speaker 1: would have a fair just a tad been better because look,

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Speaker 1: man Dag was running for his life. Nay, he was.

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Speaker 1: He was. That's why people liked Gilbert and that one

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Speaker 1: him a little bit. Yea, more so than Benda Nucci.

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Speaker 1: And I mean Benda Nucci can move too. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: got some athleticism too, but he just wasn't ready for

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Speaker 1: he just wasn't. Y'all gave a nick name Nucci Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I tried to pump him up. Let's just go make

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Speaker 1: high school Kyle happy and go sign RG three because

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Speaker 1: I don't want a guard. You want to guard. I

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Speaker 1: want to start in veteran guard over a tackle or

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Speaker 1: then I'm putting I'm letting Cardin Williams get back to

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Speaker 1: what he's used to. Mmm. Oh, you're you're not even

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Speaker 1: worried about a backup? You want a starter? Yeah? Where

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Speaker 1: are you gonna get that with the kind of money

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Speaker 1: that they have, though, that's my question. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna be a discount, double check, discount, double closer.

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Speaker 1: You get to the season, though, the guys guy percent

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Speaker 1: what That's what Isaiah's trying to look for. It's easier

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Speaker 1: like we're talking about. It's a lot easier to find

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Speaker 1: So that's all I'm saying. You just gotta find him.

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Speaker 1: You might you might might have your you might have

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Speaker 1: your swing tackle. Backup swinging tackle on the team is

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Speaker 1: uh okay. So we've talked about offensive line. We've talked

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Speaker 1: about running back. We talked about quarterback. No, no worries

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Speaker 1: at wide receiver. We're pretty good there. What about tight end?

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Speaker 1: comes from Greg from the great tropical city of Myrtle Beach,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina. Great city, by the way. Uh, seems like

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Speaker 1: almost every draft site had tight End as a big

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Speaker 1: area of need. I personally think we're in pretty good

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Speaker 1: shape there. Obviously Dallas would have liked to look at

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Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts had he slipped a little bit, but that

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Speaker 1: didn't happen, of course, but area of need, and you

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Speaker 1: put that in quote marks, I think this team is

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Speaker 1: much more important area of need. Am I missing something?

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Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily disagree. I saw the same thing

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Speaker 1: on a lot of the draft sides, and I've kind

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Speaker 1: of rolled my eyes a little bit, But you look

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Speaker 1: at it. Blake Jarwin, He's not a guarantee. He had

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Speaker 1: the half of a game before he got hurt last

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Speaker 1: year and out for the season. What is he going

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Speaker 1: to be like in his return? That's a huge question

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Speaker 1: mark to me. You can rely on Dalton Schultz to

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Speaker 1: a certain extent, but we also had very low expectations

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Speaker 1: for the tight end position last year. He exceeded those expectations,

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Speaker 1: the get go. So my question is to you guys,

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Speaker 1: is tight end a little bit more of a need

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Speaker 1: than we're thinking? Are we missing something here? What do

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Speaker 1: you think about that position? Overall? I thought we were

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Speaker 1: done with Kyle Pitts talk. I thought we were done

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Speaker 1: almost conversations saying there's a chance it never ends. It

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Speaker 1: never ends turning into Earl Thomas is what it is. Ah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you could blame David him. I do blame David Hilmoth,

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Speaker 1: coming in just making this offense even crazier in terms

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Speaker 1: of talent than it was. And I said, you know

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Speaker 1: Todd McShay top need for the Cowboys on ESPN and

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Speaker 1: he had tight end, Like wow, okay, dude, Like I

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Speaker 1: respect his work, but like anybody that covers this team

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Speaker 1: or watches this team on a on a close basis

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Speaker 1: knows you can get by with what you got at

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Speaker 1: tight end. Even if Blake Jarwin, everything we've heard is

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Speaker 1: he's good with his react deep. Even worst case that

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Speaker 1: I see, you know, saw some plays from him at

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Speaker 1: up and do that too. He's bubbling up. No, I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, if it came all the way down to it,

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Speaker 1: definitely get back. I think I feel good about our

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Speaker 1: tight ends, especially how we utilize our tight ends. That's

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Speaker 1: what people need to understand. When you start looking at

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Speaker 1: personnel on rosters, you have to understand it's not just

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Speaker 1: Like think about Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is a receiving

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Speaker 1: adding him on this roster does nothing because you just

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Speaker 1: fulfill his role. Unfortunately he got hurt last year. But

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna ask him to do he does well right,

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Speaker 1: which is run right, run straight, right, run straight, put

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Speaker 1: pressure on the safeties and I guess what, we got

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00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: routes and things of that nature. They're going to fulfill

637
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: what we're asking them to do. They do. They don't

638
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: need to be you know, zach Ertz or any of

639
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: these other guys out there, because that's not their role here.

640
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: And then we bring into then we got Sprinkle. We

641
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: got Sprinkle. South Bay Bay has his restaurant here, so

642
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: Sprinkles here now, and you know he's gonna come in

643
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: and put some hands on somebody. So it's about no

644
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: different than the Parsons pick. What are we asking them

645
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 1: to do at their position? That's what we're gonna put

646
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: them position to do. Well. I think that you know,

647
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: the NFL everyone is admiring, you know, these new offenses.

648
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: And the Kelsey Kildel argument comes in because you see

649
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: Kelsey top five and receiving from the tight end position

650
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: their ability to maximize the middle of the field because

651
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: they're stretching everybody out on the outside. And so you

652
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: you admire that, and you say, I want one of

653
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: those and we don't, and you that's what you would

654
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: say would be the need. But we have so many

655
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: receivers that can do so many multiple things in this offense.

656
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: And the one thing that I always worry about is

657
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: how do we utilize our tight ends right now? And

658
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: so even if we had a pitch, what would we

659
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: do with that in this office, with the other with

660
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: the other weapons that we have. What numbers could he

661
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: post as a rookie that would make him significant nod

662
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: another receiver. I think if he drafted Kyle Pits, you

663
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: would probably deal one of the receivers. In my opinion,

664
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what would be the next move,

665
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: kind of like Atlanta's got him and Julio Jones might

666
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: be on the move at some point. Maybe kind of thing.

667
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: But when it comes down to when it comes down

668
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: to the injuries last year, right, you know, Dalton shows

669
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: to me, he showed up and we were not looking

670
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: for him, and there were so many question marks over him.

671
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: We didn't even know if he was gonna make it

672
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: a new training camp once the belldozer came in and

673
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 1: there was those were those, there were the questions, and

674
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: he showed up for he did a lot of good

675
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: things in blocking run blocking. He showed and that was

676
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: supposedly quote unquote one of his weaknesses. He was giving effort.

677
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: He I mean, he doesn't have enough weight in his

678
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: in his drawers to hold his own in there. But

679
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: he was given good good offseason. Maybe he can sack up. Yeah,

680
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's little I know. Yeah, but m

681
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: Jordan said about Kyle Pitts is he's a little lighting,

682
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: little light, yeah, tight in and like that's that didn't

683
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: Maybe the one gripe is that they don't have a

684
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: guy that can do it all at that position, like

685
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: you said, Blake's you know, he's a stretch of the

686
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: field guy. Dalton did improve. I think in that regard,

687
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: Sprinkle can help in that regard. Blake Bell was kind

688
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: of their guy. But in this system, you don't have

689
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: to be a jack of all trades. In this system

690
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: at that position, you really don't, right, you need you

691
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: need a guy to come in and have his hand

692
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: in the ground and be able to run and you

693
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: know what say we got. We put Sprinkle in the game.

694
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: Guess what, I don't care if they think that we're

695
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: gonna run the ball. Once sprinkles in the game, it

696
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. We're either gonna run the ball behind him

697
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: or we're either gonna have him sit in there, him

698
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: and the Hito of Collins and block right and I

699
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: guess but oh yeah, we got those three dudes out

700
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: there that I can render routes all day long. So

701
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: you're not asking one guy to be your savior because

702
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: you have so much already. Yeah, Sprinkle's gonna come in

703
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be your blocking tight Yeah, you've got

704
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: Shults who going to do a little bit of both.

705
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: Jarwin's gonna be the one that will attack the hash

706
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: marks and seems up the middle. So there's there's potential

707
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: there with that, with the position overall, and I think

708
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to the side end position, both of

709
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: you guys made this point, and I think it's the

710
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: best way to think about it. With the weapons you

711
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: have on offense, you don't need the tight ends to

712
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: be exceptional. You don't need them to be next level.

713
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: You need your tight ends. You need sholts, you need Jarwin.

714
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: You need sprinkle to just be adequate. If you're adequate,

715
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: your offense is firing on all cylinders. And of course

716
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: the offensive line needs to be good, but you're asking

717
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: those guys to do to be excellent at exactly why

718
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: you're Why did you pay jar one take the top off,

719
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: because that's it. You're not because he's the most shifty

720
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: tight end in the world back in the middle of

721
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: the field. He's got good hands. Because in your system,

722
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: he's that valuable to you. In your system, what you're

723
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: asking him to do, he's that valuable to you. And

724
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: that's it goes back to our conversation last week when

725
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: we start talking about the linebacker pick in the first round.

726
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: He's that valuable to us because of what he's gonna

727
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: do in accordance with the other guys that he's gonna

728
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: be playing next to. And that's what you have. That's

729
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: what people don't understan when they start looking at personnel,

730
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: people get started losing their mind. All he can't do this,

731
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: isn't this, Yeah, but guess what what he can do

732
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 1: very well is exactly what this offense needs. But also

733
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: a better blocker. And so I mean, even when you

734
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: talk about sprinkle and look, man, these defensive coordinators in

735
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: the league, if they see any weaknesses and they they

736
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: come and study you, and you bring sprinkle in, We

737
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: are you about to hand it to Zeke? We come

738
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: in at you, you know, right away, and so you

739
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: can't divulge what you're gonna do. So and so that's

740
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: why that was the problem that I had with Bell

741
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: because you know that he wasn't doing a lot even

742
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: in Kansas City's offense as a receiving tight end. He

743
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: was more of a blocker. So the way that this offense,

744
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: the way that it looks on paper, it looks explosive,

745
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: looks like we're gonna be able to stretch the field,

746
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: really looks like there isn't going to be anything that

747
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: we can do. But right now at the tight end position,

748
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: there has to be another question there. Which guy is

749
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: going to start the season. Yeah, if he's healthy, I'm saying,

750
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: if he's healthy's come back from ACL so what you

751
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: don't know, I think he'll be fine. Well, I don't

752
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: know about that, but it was so early into last year.

753
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: I think his rehab is gonna be help me there.

754
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll see him at OTAs in

755
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: mini camp just because that's not how they play do it? Yeah,

756
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: just getting ready to shoot me down now we'll be

757
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: talking about it this summer. He's got an insight track

758
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: that we don't know about. Sixty three catches from Shultz

759
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: last year. If you're if you're it is and if

760
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: but if you're line is healthier, he's probably not getting

761
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: those opportunities. Probably forty underneath. But that's okay, you know,

762
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: just just be efficient. I would take what they give you. Yeah,

763
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: I would rather have Dalton Schultz with forty catches, but

764
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: have our offense firing on all. Who do you think

765
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: who do you think Dak is going to rely on?

766
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's coming back from an injury. Who do

767
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: you that first read? Getting the ball out of his hand,

768
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: not taking any punishment to tight end right, So it's

769
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: important that that brings up an interesting interesting point. Now

770
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned this a minute ago, but flexibility is something

771
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: that I think this tight end position has. Is there

772
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: a chance we add some more? I got to ask

773
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: this question on Twitter. Simi Phoko, the wide receiver that

774
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: was drafted by the Cowboys out of Stanford six foot

775
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: four two and twenty five pounds, big long arms of

776
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: four four three forty. Is there a chance that he

777
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: could maybe be thrown as maybe like an in line

778
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: tight end at some point. He's a good blocker. You

779
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: watched him on film. He's decent. Now he's extremely undersized

780
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 1: for the tight end position, but I don't think that's

781
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: necessarily out of the question if you wanted to throw

782
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: some flexibility and modern looks into this offense. You played

783
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: the y you know that they you know, when I

784
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: was in at the end of my career playing with

785
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: Mercedes Louis, Mercedes was kind of the you know, the

786
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: hand in the ground type guy, and I was kind

787
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: of the wingback. Right that's when the Aaron Hernandez error

788
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: was kind of kind of coming too a hit. I

789
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: could see him playing a role in that. But even then,

790
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: like I was still treated as a receiver, and I

791
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: was two hundred and forty five pounds at that time, right,

792
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: So no matter what if you if you're if you're

793
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: looked at as a receiver, they're putting a dog, they're

794
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: putting over they're putting a nickel in there. So basically

795
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: off you're basically off the line of scrimmage, going in motion,

796
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: cut blocking on the backside, you know what I'm saying,

797
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: running flat route. Yeah, he could feel that need, but

798
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll probably do it from a four wide set.

799
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: Um utilizing him in a four white setting, use him

800
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: in short motion, that's most likely what they'll end up doing.

801
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: So for instance, when I was playing in New England,

802
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: I was a bigger, bigger receiver, right, So I'll be

803
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: out there with Moss. I would motion down and then

804
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: I would chip on like matthis or you know what

805
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying, or guys like that. You know guys you

806
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: know great edge rushers and you know, just hit that

807
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: and then get into a flat route. So because he's

808
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: a big, big, physical, you know, physically imposing, they'll utilize

809
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: him tight end ish, but he won't have his hand

810
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: in the ground. Ye's not buildozer. Yeah yeah, yeah. It

811
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: can't go back those guys to your point right two

812
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: And you said two hundred forty five pounds, that's what

813
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: I was. I was getting thrown out the club and

814
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: I was considered one of the strongest, you know, strong dude.

815
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: I was getting thrown out the club by defensi alignment

816
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: Like that's you just don't go in their clubhouse like

817
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: that's what they do. Like you come in here, I'm

818
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: no white teas in the club. I'm throwing it out right, Um,

819
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean so so unless you go These

820
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: are grown men, and these dudes are getting more and

821
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: more explosive, more powerful. You know, just just in general,

822
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: were talking about d K two hundred and thirty five

823
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: pounds running running at ten three. That is insane. It's

824
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: no different than when you try to go out there

825
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: and try to put your hand in the ground of

826
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty five pounds tight end, try to

827
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: go in there and cut block on the nose tackle

828
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: good luck? What is Noah brown Way? I'm going back,

829
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: come on, what's up with you today? No, he's bigger

830
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: than that. It's probably twenty five Okay, I saw it. Yeah,

831
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: so he's two inches shorter than Phoko. But we tried

832
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: that already in the Seattle playoff. I believe he played

833
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of tight end. I mean, he was serviceable,

834
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: but like Asaiah said, he's not going down in that

835
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: funk area. He'll stay out of there. You want to

836
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: keep him. I remember I remember getting a chip shot

837
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: on Dwight Freeney and like how that go? It went? Well?

838
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: My my job, My task was what's the chip Freeney

839
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: on to our left tackle was a big, big vall

840
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: for New England. I can't remember anyways, chip him and

841
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: just like boom, buff him enough just to give him

842
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: an edge so he can get his hands on him,

843
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: because otherwise you can't. You can't get your hands on Freey.

844
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: He's gonna go task Manian devil on you, right, so

845
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: I get give a little chip on him boom and

846
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: I ran a little flat route and that's my job,

847
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Speaker 1: just to give a little right two hundred thirty five

848
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849
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Speaker 1: you know. But then when those guys come looking for you,

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Speaker 1: just you know, gett Yeah, did you see it? Did

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Speaker 1: you see that? Did you hear the shakiness in his

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Speaker 1: voice when you said, like, how did that go? Because

853
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Speaker 1: Jamie say he hit him down? And you get about

854
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Speaker 1: the club getting out of there. Uh. Kind of sticking

855
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Speaker 1: with semi Phohoko just real quickly before we take our

856
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Speaker 1: second break. I don't think this is going to be

857
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's out of the question. He's your

858
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Speaker 1: fourth wide receiver and just kind of looking at him

859
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Speaker 1: and looking at what he could bring and where he

860
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Speaker 1: could be and what he could do outside of maybe

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Speaker 1: Noah Brown. I think he might be better than Noah Brown,

862
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Speaker 1: like right now. And there's a good chance that you're

863
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Speaker 1: going to see a lot of that competition coming up

864
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Speaker 1: in training camp. That's gonna be fun. I'm excited about that.

865
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Speaker 1: And you disrespecting some guys. Man, you got Wilson and

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867
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Speaker 1: would probably put but I'm talking about for that big

868
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Speaker 1: receiver that that why role that you're gonna see Phoko

869
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Speaker 1: and Brown kind of fight over. Oh yeah, they're definitely

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Speaker 1: fighting for the same same spot, no doubt, no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it. I mean that's when Noah Brown saw that

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Speaker 1: This is this is a show on I gotta show

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Speaker 1: him my button. Not only do I have to compete

875
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Speaker 1: at the same level as him, I have to compete

876
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Speaker 1: at a higher level. Now they have money invested. Yeah,

877
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Speaker 1: and both guys on one year deals yea. Brown Ann

878
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Speaker 1: said who But the one thing I would say is

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Speaker 1: you're right. I mean on tape. He looks like better

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881
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882
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Speaker 1: know you try to do it from the quarterback position,

884
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885
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Speaker 1: is that? You think it's all about systems. Yeah, it's

886
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Speaker 1: all about systems. So I don't only think I don't

887
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Speaker 1: think it's just a position in general. I think it's

888
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Speaker 1: And that's if you get in the right system, you'll

890
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891
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892
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893
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894
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895
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896
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Speaker 1: Brown has a leg up because he knows the system,

897
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Speaker 1: you know, and he's been a pet cat of thisist

898
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899
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Speaker 1: why they let him stay around. But you're right, I mean,

900
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be competition. But that's what we want, absolutely,

901
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Speaker 1: that's what we want. So a couple more competition spots

902
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Speaker 1: That's a great point though about Noah Brown because we

904
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905
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906
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Speaker 1: lot of the players on this defensive side LV Jalen

907
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908
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909
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Speaker 1: so Noah Brown does have some some some guys in

910
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911
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912
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913
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914
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915
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916
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917
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918
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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but I mean, but do you do

919
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920
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Speaker 1: Do you expect him to turn his back on kickoff

921
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922
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923
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Speaker 1: These are real questions, right, These are kind of like,

924
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926
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927
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Speaker 1: but you know, when you get out there special teams,

928
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929
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931
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932
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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not myself whenever I'm hungry. Um doesn't

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1009
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1011
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Speaker 1: number one on that list? Isaiah? We'll go ahead and

1012
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Speaker 1: start with you on this one. If you're wishing for

1013
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1014
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Speaker 1: what would it be? Continuity? Continuity? I think I think

1015
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1017
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1018
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Speaker 1: But I think that, you know, take all those things

1020
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Speaker 1: in all encompassing. I think that we need some continuity

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Speaker 1: going into this season, um and I think if we

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Speaker 1: the game, I think we'll be all right. Right from

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1027
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Speaker 1: if they find another veteran that they can compete and

1028
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Speaker 1: they feel good about a little bit of depth there,

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Speaker 1: that's where I would go. Isaiah's kind nuity. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: build off of that and just say on the defensive

1031
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Speaker 1: the scheme, and I think they're gonna have OTAs as

1033
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Speaker 1: far as we know mini camp, I think that will help.

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Speaker 1: There'll be some virtual components of it. I'm sure there

1035
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Speaker 1: are right now. That's got to be more concise and

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Speaker 1: you get into training camp and I think you feel

1039
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Speaker 1: better about it. Last year, McCarthy said that the virtual

1040
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1041
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1042
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Speaker 1: I do kind of want to add on that is

1044
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Speaker 1: because there's probably going to be a virtual component to

1045
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1046
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Speaker 1: there's been questions about what teams are gonna do. I

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Speaker 1: mean lots of questions. But the Jets had their rookie

1048
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Speaker 1: and I think that that will certainly help. But even then,

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Speaker 1: I think. So so that makes me feel a lot

1054
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Speaker 1: better about that continuity. It makes me feel better because

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Speaker 1: if there was a virtual aspect, and there might be

1056
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: down the road, who knows. The things change on a

1057
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: daily basis in the NFL, but if there is a

1058
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: virtual aspect, I don't feel as good about it because

1059
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: I want that continuity. And Mike MacArthur even talked about

1060
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: it in his offseason press conference well before the draft,

1061
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: he said, usually we would go out to dinner and

1062
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: we'd go do this, we'd go do that, we'd have

1063
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: all of these team building activities, and whenever you don't

1064
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: have those, you don't realize how much you miss them.

1065
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: Whenever you go man, I mean, because whenever you're doing it,

1066
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: you feel like it might be an obligation or it's

1067
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: just like a minor thing. No, that's a big thing.

1068
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: Especially with a new coaching staff. There's no replacement of

1069
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: time is spent together. There's just not and we had

1070
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: none of that last year, and for a first year coach,

1071
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: it was literally impossible for him to build that. So

1072
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: when you know together you're all wearing masks, you know

1073
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: it's not normal and you know nothing about it. But Jess,

1074
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've ever been in the locker room,

1075
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: ever been a part of a football team, you just

1076
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: know that. Then guys know each other in and out,

1077
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: and it's that time that you spend with one another.

1078
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: It's the trust that you have, it's the things that

1079
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: you have on the football field, end game that comes

1080
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: from those moments. And we had none of that, and

1081
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: it reflected I mean you saw it, guys who are

1082
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: just playing for themselves and not one another. Well, and

1083
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 1: going back to the Jason Garrett era, I mean, Jason

1084
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: didn't do it everything right as a Dallas Cowboys head coach,

1085
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: but one of the things I think he did well

1086
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: was kind of established that continuity. You remember the All

1087
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: or Nothing TV show that the Cowboys had that documentary

1088
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: on Amazon or whatever. So after every meeting, what do

1089
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: they do? They started like hugging each other and kind

1090
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: of like dapping each other up and just having that

1091
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: like camaraderie and that brotherhood and that kind of feel.

1092
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: You don't have any of that, any of that, you know,

1093
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: you don't have that though at this point. And I'm

1094
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: not saying that's gonna be like, oh, we're gonna go

1095
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: from six wins to a super Bowl because we climb

1096
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: to say it, say it, say so super Bowl. Not

1097
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but I'm saying like something like that

1098
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 1: would help with continuity and like that quality time together

1099
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: is something of the Cowboys. I mean QT, I mean

1100
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: no different than us being here in the studio together. Yeah,

1101
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: there's things that we will we will continue to get

1102
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: better at, right understanding nonverbal cues, right, you know, understand

1103
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: pretty you know how we how we transition into certain topics, right,

1104
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: all those type of things, right, you can only get

1105
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: that when you're around here, when you're a person. So

1106
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: just like that. You know, it's even more so when

1107
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: it comes to the locker room. All right, heck, what's

1108
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: your number one need? Man? You know, you look at

1109
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: the roster even right now, it's one of the most

1110
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: talented rosters in the NFL. We got all the players,

1111
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: even the draft. We look at what we bought in

1112
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: with Parsons Joseph and you see the talent there. But

1113
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: that my thing is attitude. I want to see this

1114
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: team with an attitude, gritty And that's what I mean.

1115
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: You look at if you just look at around the league,

1116
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: at teams like Baltimore and just their culture and what

1117
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: they are about. We talked about Seattle, what they are about,

1118
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: who they are are, gritty and the attitude. Last year

1119
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: we didn't have that. And I can just go back

1120
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: to the Washington football We talked about when Andy Dalton

1121
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: went down, no one ran to Andy Dalton, no one

1122
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: you know, tipped over a gatorad bucket, no one got

1123
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: ejected from the game something. I mean, your quarterback just

1124
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: got destroyed. But those are just little things that I

1125
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: think that this this squad is missing. And I know

1126
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: that the football purists will say, oh, that don't count

1127
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: for nothing. But if you get out there and you

1128
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: you're getting drugged by thirty and you don't have one

1129
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: guy to stand up and say, you know, get up,

1130
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: you know, get the attitude, bring it back. You just

1131
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: paying to that Baltimore game when we were getting to

1132
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: blow the doors blown off and they paying to the

1133
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: sideline and it was the most disgusting scene seeing our

1134
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: guys sit there on the bench just deflated. They had nothing.

1135
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: So we got to bring that back. I wonder how

1136
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: much Parsons can add to that, even as a rookie,

1137
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: because he's got that edge to him. And that's why,

1138
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: like you know, we've debated that position. But if he

1139
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: got that corner too, Joseph team, but if he both

1140
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: of them, But but Parsons in particular has really has

1141
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: brought that edge when he's been at Penn State. And

1142
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: so even as a rookie, if he could bring some

1143
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 1: of that, It's kind of like when in twenty sixteen

1144
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 1: Zeke brought like a physicality and an edge to the

1145
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: offense that really rubbed off on everybody was like, man,

1146
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 1: this guy is And I think the example too that too,

1147
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: that that maybe this rookie class can add some of that. No,

1148
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm going back and digging into crates on this,

1149
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: but do you think about when Michael Irvin was was

1150
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 1: drafted in eighty eight where the Cowboys were from eighty

1151
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: seven to eighty eight, he bought that attitude too. I mean,

1152
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: although it was a one in fifteen season, but still

1153
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: you knew with Michael Larvin and his attitude and what

1154
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: he was his work ethic that he was going to

1155
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: bring every day. Guys had to match that. And that

1156
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: was the championship quality just late. That was the brickwork

1157
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: right to lay that foundation to build a championship team.

1158
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: And if Michael Parsons, like you said, he's gonna come

1159
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: in with that bulls out on his back anyway, but

1160
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 1: if he can come I'm in with that work ethic

1161
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: and attitude and say, look the buck stops now, this

1162
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna get it. How many players can

1163
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: you guys name last year that played with an edge?

1164
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 1: How many? How many guys I mean offensively, you could

1165
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: do something. I mean, as he and Dak, I would say,

1166
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: play with an edge, Zack Martin, that's fine. But on

1167
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: the defensive side, what Tank? Maybe some games and I

1168
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: think Tank, even Tank was a little lost in the weeds.

1169
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean it was. It wasn't good either way for

1170
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: any of it. But I don't think I can I

1171
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: can honestly say that this one guy bought that. Would

1172
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: you say, maybe Randy Gregory was does he quote unquote

1173
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: play with an edge? I don't feel like we had that.

1174
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: When I when I think about edge, I think about

1175
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: rosters that you're almost on the edge of your seat, Like, please,

1176
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: don't get a personal foul. Like you know what I'm saying,

1177
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: Like like you know, like like like you want that

1178
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: feeling a little bit, you want that like okay, Like

1179
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: I want you to go up to the mine wants

1180
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: you to go to the end of the whistle, not

1181
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: to the whistle. I need you going to the end

1182
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: of the whistle. I need my office alignment. Dragon dudes

1183
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: through the ground, you think I when I think about

1184
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: office alignment, I think about the center from Tampa Bay.

1185
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I don't know his name, but he nasty.

1186
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna drag me. He's gonna drag I mean,

1187
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna try to embarrass you. And if you show frustration,

1188
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna hype him up. Right, he wants to embarrass

1189
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: the crap out of you. Think about defensive alignment, who's

1190
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 1: who's just nasty? And the Seattle defenses under Quinn were

1191
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: like that, and then there's Hall of Fame talent there.

1192
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: But man, there was there was a swag and an

1193
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: attitude in the edge. And I mean Aaron Donald looking forward,

1194
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald for sure, Aaron Donald. Yeah, Aaron Donald's gonna

1195
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: play hard. He's gonna play hard. You know you're gonna

1196
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: get that. But when I'm talking, I'm talking about like

1197
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: that somebody might but he might punch you. Yeah, I'm

1198
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: talking a little bit of a screw. I want a

1199
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: little bit of a screw loose like yeah, like like

1200
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: like Sue, you just you never know what's gonna happen. Yeah, right,

1201
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: you're like old old suit, not new Sue, like the

1202
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: old Sue Like you just you just never know, right,

1203
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: you just I mean he's gonna hit you, and then

1204
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: like what's he gonna do after the play, you know,

1205
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: like I want that, but I want that to go

1206
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: through the whole defense. You think about cornerbacks like like

1207
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: to league, right, like obviously he's out the league now,

1208
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: but like you, that's what he played with. He played

1209
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: with that like he was gonna put his hands on you,

1210
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: and you had to deal with him the entire game.

1211
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: And when you showed him to the stadium, you're like, crap, man,

1212
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to fight this due don't wear your change, Yeah,

1213
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: don't wear your changing to do but like you want

1214
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: that at every level of your defense. Ramsey MICUs Peters. Yeah. Yeah,

1215
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: guys like just a little bit of swagger. I think

1216
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: Chris put this in my ear. But Donovan Wilson, I

1217
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: mean he was close. He came, that's it. That's probably

1218
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: the one guy. Absolutely he came with it. Yeah, that's

1219
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: because he was laying wood. I mean, he's knocking people out.

1220
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: But he also was missing big too. So there's a

1221
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: there's a given take. There's a given take to that.

1222
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: You know you got, I mean, and and it's it's

1223
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: an often used word. You know, guys played with that dog,

1224
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: but you know, if you're gonna play with that dog,

1225
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be one hundred percent all the time.

1226
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: You can't you know, we can't pick it. You start

1227
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: the film and go wow. One of my favorite clips

1228
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: of this past draft class Seth Williams with the wide

1229
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: receiver from a burn. I think Denver picked him up.

1230
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly where he went, but there was

1231
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: a clip of him against Mississippi State and there's this

1232
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: Mississippi State corner up on him and he's talking to

1233
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: him before the play and like just chatting, and Seth

1234
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: Williams didn't even look at him, like not even looking

1235
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: at the guy. And then he like finally gets up

1236
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage and he just burns him

1237
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: on a fade route. No no double move, no nothing,

1238
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: just straight fade route, beat him, caught a touchdown pass,

1239
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: and then he got right back up in his face

1240
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: and was just yelling at him again. That's one of

1241
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: my favorite clips. But you gotta it's a great representation

1242
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: of both sides of it. You can't just talk the talk.

1243
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: You gotta walk the walk. And there's anson that's a cliche.

1244
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: There's a super big reason why that's a cliche, because

1245
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: this Cowboys team even whenever they got to the point

1246
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season against Philadelphia and they

1247
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: started winning a couple of games. You saw the energy.

1248
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: But then you played a game like Pittsburgh and maybe

1249
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: Baltimore where it's like, oh, where did that go? You

1250
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: get back in your shell a little bit. You can't

1251
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: do that in twenty twenty one. Media pumps you up

1252
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: to when you're in Dallas too, you have a little

1253
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: bit of success. You can't you block that out too

1254
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: and into the negativity because yeah, because it's I mean,

1255
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: people want the Cowboys to be back back, you know.

1256
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: So when you have a little success, you know, maybe

1257
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: you drowned that out. You know how I imagine you

1258
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: when things are going well, Rob and you're writing your articles,

1259
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: you'd like, I'll kill my blinders on, put on my

1260
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: VARSTI jacket. He sees high school jacket. Yeah it's upstairs. Yeah,

1261
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: all right, that's gonna do it for us here, I'm

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Speaker 1: week ten thirty or excuse me, eleven thirty Central time

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Speaker 1: next Monday on Talking Cowboys Wow Wow. This has been

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