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Speaker 1: Fish By podcast. I'm your host, Ram Layton, and I

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Speaker 1: am joined by Andre Fernandez, the Marlins beat writer for

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Speaker 1: the Athletic, also does a little Dolphins coverage, but we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be focusing on the Marlins today. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining me, Andre.

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Speaker 2: Hey Ron, thanks for having me man. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: So. Obviously, it's been a pretty crazy couple weeks for

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Speaker 1: the off season with the Marlins. Not many personnel moves yet,

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Speaker 1: but we have a new logo, we have new jerseys,

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Speaker 1: we have an almost inevitable real Muto trade now, and

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Speaker 1: obviously the new Live Draft just happened. A lot of

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Speaker 1: marketing changes with the Marlins, something we haven't seen before

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Speaker 1: Arizona Fall League. You have Yamamoto pitching in the championship game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of things happening around the Marlins organization.

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty exciting time to be following them. Terms

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Speaker 1: of the logo and jerseys, of course we're going to

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Speaker 1: start there. It's been a pretty crazy story, obviously you

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Speaker 1: were following it. Mixed reviews on the jerseys, that's all

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Speaker 1: subjective to me, but the one thing that really did

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Speaker 1: how they marketed the jerseys and logo, and how they

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Speaker 1: really wanted to appeal to Miami. What was your takeaway

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Speaker 1: from how they handled that entire reveal and everything that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was the part that stood out

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Speaker 2: to me too, is that, you know, it's this is

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Speaker 2: more than just you know, changing the look of the

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Speaker 2: as we know, is putting their stamp on this franchise

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Speaker 2: and kind of separating from the past and not too

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Speaker 2: pretty past that the team's had in recent years overall.

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Speaker 2: But it goes beyond that. It really goes I like

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Speaker 2: the fact that they're trying to identify with their city there. Really,

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Speaker 2: to me, what impressed me even more was what they

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Speaker 2: did not just you know, not just the video, not

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Speaker 2: been times where they've done things in the community where

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Speaker 2: I think to this extent, this what this group is

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Speaker 2: to go basically like door to door different businesses in

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Speaker 2: know the way they did. They went to restaurants, they

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Speaker 2: went to police stations, they went to fire stations, car dealerships,

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Speaker 2: you name it. They were all over the place. They

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Speaker 2: did some of that in Fort Lauderdale too, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Mike Hill went to the automation store there. They made

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Speaker 2: And a lot of it came from the demo campaign

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Speaker 2: believe in it. But no, they wanted to hear back

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Speaker 2: it's commendable that they've been trying to do these things.

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Speaker 2: to me, The interesting part is it made this whole

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned appealing to the Latin community, something that's

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Speaker 1: been very important to the Marlins marketing strategy. But another

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Speaker 1: thing that's that's been pretty interesting to see Jeter's approach

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Speaker 1: up a good point that a lot of season ticket

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Speaker 1: and that's something that the Marlins need to figure out

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think it's a little bit of both.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in a way, if you come across that,

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Speaker 2: of again, it's the whole part of identifying with their city.

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Speaker 2: That's things that are things that are seen around the city.

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Speaker 2: you know, hey, we're trying to be the city's team,

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Speaker 2: right now, this is actually this is there's nothing that

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned that on field products being something that

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Speaker 1: the fans are waiting for. But in general, this is

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Speaker 1: in the next few years. Obviously they're still pretty far

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Speaker 1: But they're all struggling and it's a really good opportunity

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, the on field

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Speaker 1: Well, I love that you made that point, because that's

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Speaker 1: Return At the time you look back, there's so many

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Speaker 1: In hindsight, obviously it still looks like a good trade.

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Speaker 1: It's too early to tell on the Marlins end. But

431
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Speaker 1: when we were off the air, you mentioned that you

432
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,720
Speaker 1: wanted to talk a little bit about how this is

433
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Speaker 1: a huge year to get the return for the Martins,

434
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,720
Speaker 1: that you might be working on a piece for that

435
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,240
Speaker 1: coming up in the future, so if you want to

436
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 1: tease that a little bit. But we also mentioned we

437
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 1: need to mention Yamamoto pitching in an Arizona Fall League

438
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,359
Speaker 1: championship game almost a throw in in that Yellich deal

439
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,440
Speaker 1: and has now looked like one of the most successful

440
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Speaker 1: pieces so far early on, What do you think about

441
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Speaker 1: this next upcoming season as how important it is to

442
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,160
Speaker 1: gauge this deal, this Yellich deal with.

443
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Speaker 2: The Brewers, Well, I think it's huge. I mean, that's

444
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 2: that's why, That's why what I meant before about Brinson

445
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,160
Speaker 2: is that you know, this is the year. Last year,

446
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 2: nobody wanted to see him struggle as much as he did.

447
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 2: But he did a lot of work with the coaches

448
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:46,120
Speaker 2: behind the scenes and sort of developing just developing consistency

449
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 2: with his swing, his approach, everything that a lot of

450
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 2: people didn't realize. And a lot of people criticize the Martins.

451
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 2: Why are you keeping them up? Why are you not

452
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 2: sending him back down? Why you're not? He tore it

453
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 2: up down there. So the bottom line is they wanted

454
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Speaker 2: him to see major league level pitching and he faced

455
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 2: a lot of high quality starters last year, struggled against some,

456
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 2: showed flashes against others, and I think that's valuable experience.

457
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,360
Speaker 2: So this is where we this is where I think,

458
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to say it all hinges

459
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Speaker 2: on twenty nineteen, but this is where we start to

460
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 2: see if Lewis Brinson can be a productive major league player.

461
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 2: This is where we start to see if Monte Harrison,

462
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: who's a step behind that, because his next step is

463
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 2: to break through and get into the majors. But can

464
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Speaker 2: he do that or does he have to wait even

465
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Speaker 2: longer or should we worry? Can he translate what he

466
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Speaker 2: did in the AFL to this now? Has he found

467
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,479
Speaker 2: something with his approach that's going to make him another

468
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 2: guy to follow in that line behind Brinson is san

469
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Speaker 2: Diaz doesn't look like he could be a major superstar

470
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,199
Speaker 2: like that, but he could be a second basement. I mean,

471
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Speaker 2: if he comes up. We've talked about Starlin Castro before.

472
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Speaker 2: We don't know if he's going to be here beyond

473
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Speaker 2: mid season, beyond the trade deadline this year. He's in

474
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Speaker 2: the final year of his contract, so that's a spot

475
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Speaker 2: at second base that could be his if he continues

476
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Speaker 2: to progress. So there's a guy right there. And then

477
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Speaker 2: you talk about Yamamoto of course, almost you know, the

478
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Speaker 2: forgotten guy in the trade. If he gives them any

479
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: kind of production, whether it's in the rotation or maybe

480
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 2: out of the bullpen, I mean, talk about four players

481
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Speaker 2: right there giving you some sort of production. Let's say

482
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Speaker 2: it's not all four. Let's say even if it's two

483
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Speaker 2: or three that end up being key pieces for you. Yes,

484
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Speaker 2: you gave up Yelich, Yes he won an MVP. Yelis

485
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 2: is gonna have a good career. I don't know if

486
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Speaker 2: he's gonna win how many more, if any MVPs he

487
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Speaker 2: may win, but he is going to be a good

488
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 2: He's gonna have a great, solid career. But you know what,

489
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Speaker 2: if you get three starters, let's say, out of it

490
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: something like that, now you're talking, I mean, that's that's

491
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 2: pretty good. You got a pretty good return and a

492
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Speaker 2: good addition to your core for years to come as

493
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Speaker 2: you go forward and as you continue to build around that.

494
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Speaker 1: And that's that's a really refreshing point to hear you make,

495
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Speaker 1: because that's something that I've been saying time and time again.

496
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Speaker 1: But of course fans want instant gratification. They have short memories,

497
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,959
Speaker 1: they don't look far ahead, and they're more caught in

498
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: the moment. And of course, in the moment, you have

499
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 1: very little to show on the Marlins MLB roster. And meanwhile,

500
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: Christian Yelich had an absolutely dominating season for the Brewers,

501
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: So of course it's a little frustrating as a Marlins fan.

502
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: But the point you're making it is the whole what

503
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: a rebuild is predicated on is trading some of those

504
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: major guys for more potential that spread spreads out more, right,

505
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: So I mean eisen Diaz, Yeah, he's not going to

506
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: be a superstar, but he's a good glove at second

507
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: base with some power that could get into the fifteen

508
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: to twenty range and walks at a phenomenal clip. Is

509
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: just he's got to cut the strikeouts down. He's obviously

510
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: the marlins best bet at second base right now in

511
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: the entire organization. So there's one potential starter like you mentioned,

512
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: and then of course Yamamoto keeps up what he's doing

513
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: and Brinson and Harrison paired with Mesa, that could be

514
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: the most athletic outfield in the National League. I mean,

515
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: you'd be hard pressed to find a more athletic outfield

516
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: than that in the next couple of years if that

517
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: actually comes to fruition. So you can see the plan

518
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: starting to manifest itself in front of our eyes. It's

519
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: just whether all of those guys are going to work

520
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: out in the way that the Marlins hope, and that's

521
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: kind of that's the difficult part of a rebuild, and

522
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: that's why you have to maximize your prospects. And that's

523
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Speaker 1: why I think a real Muto trade may be ultimately

524
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: what is needed to bolster this organization, but we keep

525
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: throwing out names and potential lineups and stuff like that

526
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: outside of the Brewers' trade, just in general, what do

527
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: you think the Marlins rotation could look like next year?

528
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: There's so many candidates. I think you can make a

529
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Speaker 1: case for eight guys, if not more, to potentially have

530
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Speaker 1: a shot to crack that rotation. Right now, who are

531
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Speaker 1: your early favorites, obviously it's very early. Who do you

532
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: like to have a good shot to crack that five

533
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Speaker 1: man rotation?

534
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Speaker 2: Well, I love the fact that this is probably the

535
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Speaker 2: most just you know, just looking at it going going

536
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 2: in this early where I've actually really been really excited

537
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 2: to see what they can come up with with their

538
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: rotation because it's because of all those young options. I mean,

539
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 2: you got to start with I mean, we know Way

540
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: and Chen on the contractually, you'd figure barring an injury

541
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: or barring any sort of setback, he will be there.

542
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 2: So that's one. But beyond that, when you talk about

543
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: the young guys, Sandy al Contra has got to be there.

544
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: You know that that he's the guy who made the

545
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: big splash last year. They finally made his debut, a

546
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: guy you hope can build off you know, what he

547
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: did last year and maybe control the you know, you know,

548
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: not get into the situation he was walking a lot

549
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: of guys like we saw times toward the end of

550
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: the season, and just keep building off of that. You

551
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 2: got The interesting part is going to be you have

552
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: a couple of guys coming off injuries. I mean, Pablo

553
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 2: Lopez did really well. It's not it's not anything serious,

554
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: so it should be you know, this could be a

555
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: year where he builds off that we saw well he

556
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: can pitch, how well the pitch arsenal that he has

557
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Speaker 2: is effective for him. Caleb Smith is an one because

558
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: that was a little more of an of an injury.

559
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: You know that that really took him out of the shoulder.

560
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: You know, Let's see how he bounces back from that.

561
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: You know what, you know, we his spin rate's been

562
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: well documented. How much you know that has helped him

563
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 2: be effective.

564
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Speaker 1: You know.

565
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: But I'm looking at those three guys as being serious contenders.

566
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 2: You know for sure. You've got you know, Trevor Richards

567
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: obviously with the change up he possesses, if he can

568
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 2: keep adding to you know, around that and and develop

569
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: his pitches around that. He's going to be even more effective.

570
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Speaker 2: He was the heck of the story last year.

571
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Speaker 1: You know.

572
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: The ones to me that's going to be interesting what

573
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: they do with is Strayli because you know he's he's

574
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: arbitration eligible. But you know, maybe they keep him, maybe

575
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: they don't, Maybe they offer him up as a trade

576
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: now over the next month as a potential trade piece.

577
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: You know. Let the thing is, they have options, so

578
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be interesting to see does he stay there.

579
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 2: And then again we're looking at it as them having

580
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: eight nine options. And Esa Hernandez another guy who's going

581
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Speaker 2: to be in that mix.

582
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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of names floating around, but.

583
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Speaker 2: We know this every year and you go into spring

584
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: training and someone's going to have a setback, something's going

585
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: to happen, someone's going to pitch poorly, and decisions will

586
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: be made. So you wonder how much the Marlins will

587
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: try to keep as many as possible going in the spring,

588
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: just to have that depth in case things happen, you know,

589
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: unforeseen factors and whatnot. But those are definitely guys and

590
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: I hope I don't forget anybody. I'm trying to remember

591
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: that if I missed any name there from this past

592
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 2: season that really stood out, I hope I didn't, but

593
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 2: you're probably tell me those are Those are mainly a

594
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: lot of the young options that I'm excited to see

595
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: and going into twenty nineteen that can build off this year.

596
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: Well, the one thing that I love that you said

597
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: is that they have options. When's the last time we've

598
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: said that about the Marlins pitching rotation?

599
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: Right right exactly, not reach reads or not guys that

600
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: you know have you know, basically topped out and you

601
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: don't have any more of a ceiling like almost everybody left,

602
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: you know, is guys that you're excited because I still

603
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: have upside.

604
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: And that's the thing where it's not like we're dealing

605
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: with Jeff Brighams here, where we have guys that we're

606
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: looking at, Guys that can really potentially be mainstays in

607
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: the rotation for for a long time. And another guy

608
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: that I'm very intrigued to see how much the Marlins

609
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: try and push him through the ranks is Nick Knier.

610
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he's looked absolutely phenomenal despite the fact that

611
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 1: a lot of scouts don't like his He did the

612
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: fact that he doesn't have plus plus stuff, But at

613
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you're getting major league or

614
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: professional hitters out, I don't think it really matters what

615
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: your spin rate is or this or that. If you're

616
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: if you can continually get guys out, then that's the

617
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: name of the game. And it's gonna be fascinating to

618
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: see if he gets that spring training invite and seeing

619
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Speaker 1: how he performs against some of those major league hitters

620
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: and seeing if that low nineties fastball with the lack

621
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: of really really sharp stuff affects him, or if he

622
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: can continue to spot up and continue to get outs.

623
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Speaker 1: But like you mentioned, Lopez looked really good. He almost

624
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: under scouted in a way where they didn't really account

625
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: for his fast while getting up into the mid to

626
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: almost upper nineties. We saw him reach ninety six ninety

627
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: seven at times some games where he was scouted at

628
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: ninety two to ninety three. Caleb Smith was another guy

629
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: that no one was really high on, but looked phenomenal

630
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: when he pitched. But as a man who got labram

631
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: surgery himself, and I'm pretty sure that's what Caleb Smith

632
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: had done with his shoulder, there's a low success rate

633
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: with that in the major leagues. It's probably the last

634
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: surgery you want to have as a pitcher, right, I mean,

635
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: you saw what it's Henderson Alvarez.

636
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: Right, So that's that's why I was worried about him.

637
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: And that's why I said, like, if there's one guy

638
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: that I want to see how he bounces back, it's him,

639
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: and and and shame on me for not mentioning Jose Arena.

640
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's all that you always forget because

641
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: he's not a rookie anymore. But I mean, he saved

642
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: this season at the end. I mean say not only

643
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: save the season, I mean he may have even saved

644
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: his career really because he was he was really struggling

645
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: and with the year he had going into septem remember

646
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: to come out blazing like that and win five games

647
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: and the stuff he showed, the velocity, you know, the command,

648
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: the move and everything. Everything clicked for him in September,

649
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: So he was probably obviously he's probably not going to

650
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: be that good probably starting the season, but if he

651
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: can continue again a guy that if that translates over

652
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: to twenty nineteen, he'll probably be right there at the

653
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: top of the rotation if not the opening day starter again,

654
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: And that's something that probably would have been laughed at

655
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: in August when we're seeing him, you know, three and

656
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: twelve or whatever his record was and beaning Acuna and

657
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: everything that was happening with him.

658
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: Well, that's the absolutely amazing thing was this. He looked

659
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: like two different pitchers. There was a Jecko and Hyde

660
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: story there, where in the first half two and nine

661
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: with a four three nine ERA, gave up almost a

662
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: hit and inning and it was not striking anybody out.

663
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he typically doesn't strike out a ton of guys,

664
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: But in the second half seven and three with a

665
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: three three one ERA and striking out about a batter

666
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: in any just under I mean, that's night and day.

667
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: That's something that you really hope he can build off of.

668
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 1: But he's the type of guy that's just hot and

669
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: cold and you don't know what you're gonna get. But

670
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: at the very least, the Marlins could turn him into

671
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: a trade chip and you can be a back of

672
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: the rotation guy for a team that is trying to contend.

673
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, the stuff is indisputable, that upper nineties fastball.

674
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: He's got good off speed pitches, but it's what's kind

675
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: of peculiar about him is a guy with his type

676
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: of stuff always struggling to rack up the strikeouts, and

677
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: that's something that's always kind of been a challenge for

678
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: him in his career. But the cool thing about the

679
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: Marlins is that they have young pitchers that we really

680
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: don't know how they're going to respond next year. And

681
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: that's kind of exciting to an extent where we're getting

682
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: away from the Dan Streli's and some of these other

683
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: guys where we know what we're going to get constantly.

684
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: You know, you know what you're going to see, and

685
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of a wait and see game where it

686
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: could be stressful, but it could be really really refreshing

687
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: to see for this Marlins team and Sandy Alcintara after

688
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: getting said back down, he looked phenomenal coming back up

689
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: in those last few starts of the season to finish

690
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: things out and he showed that refined control. Another thing

691
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: that we wanted to I wanted to talk about a

692
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: little bit is the lineup right. I mean, the Mormans

693
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: as of now don't really have a first baseman unless

694
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: you want to pencil in Peter O'Brien there for now,

695
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: who did look really good in the end of the season.

696
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: Starline Castro will start the season a second base. Had

697
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: a pretty good year, but he's subpar defensively, not going

698
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: to bring you much power at the plate. But he's

699
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: a startable player, of course, and probably a trade chip

700
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: at some point in the season, almost inevitably a trade chip.

701
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: Marwinston don't really have a long term shortstop plan and

702
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: that's something that I really have been hoping that they

703
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: will go after in a potential trade down the road.

704
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: Aired base is obviously locked up even if Prato's there

705
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: for now. Brian Anderson will probably end up anchoring third

706
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: base in the future. With the outfield pretty crowded in

707
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: terms of prospects. But what ex position wise, any big

708
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: shakeups around the diamond besides the obvious real Mito potential

709
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: trade and any potential shakeups you could see any new

710
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: guys potentially getting an opportunity there. What do you what

711
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: do you think could happen with that lineup?

712
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's where I think it's going to

713
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: be interesting to see what they do with Brian Anderson, because,

714
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: like I said, I mean, right now, he did so

715
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: well in right field, but they haven't given up on

716
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: him being the third baseman. Obviously, Pratle's a big question

717
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: mark if he's going to be able to play. He's

718
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: just been so injury prone unfortunately. You know, do they

719
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: or if he's there, do they start out with Brian

720
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: Anderson still in right field? Keep Prato there for now?

721
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: It would make sense since, you know, especially if guys

722
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: aren't ready to come up yet, or if they don't

723
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: make let's say, they don't make a trade for any

724
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: sort of you know, elite star outfield prospect or anything

725
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: like that. So first base, Yeah, Peter O'Brien at least

726
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: earned the chance so far. But again the question mark

727
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: with him is again it was it was a great

728
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: finish to the season. But we like Peter. I like

729
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: Peter a lot, but we've seen his career has been

730
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: back and forth, jumping around, never really been able to

731
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 2: make it up a major league level. Does that change here?

732
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: This will This year will probably tell. We'll probably find out,

733
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 2: maybe even in spring. We don't know yet what Cooper

734
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: can do. We don't know, you know, as far as

735
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 2: that goes. He's been hurt so much that they haven't

736
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: really seen that. They were hoping he'd come back mid season.

737
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: Then he got hurt again, so we've seen that story

738
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: develop a lot of there. Like you said, they're shortstops.

739
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean it's almost like you wish, you wish Devers

740
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: and Osiris. We're ready now, but unfortunately not yet. So

741
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: that's still got a little ways to go. But you

742
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: could see a jump from JT. Riddle in terms of production.

743
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he hasn't been he hasn't been

744
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: the same since the injury, so it's almost like he

745
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: lost two years. But at the end of last season,

746
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: you started to see him incorporate a little more launch angle,

747
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: the swing was getting better, starting to drive the ball

748
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: a little bit more. So we talked a couple of

749
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: times during the season and he talked about getting his

750
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: strength back, adding adding some of that that he's been

751
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: missing since he had the surgery, so he could he

752
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 2: could you could suddenly see a spike with him where

753
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: if he wins that starting shortstop job, that stabilizes that

754
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: spot a little bit and then you can play around

755
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: with what you do with with with Miguel at the

756
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: other spots. You could move him possibly around the infield

757
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: if you had to obviously, you know, use him. They

758
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: want to, They want to use one guy more predominantly

759
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: at shortstop. We know, we heard that from from Mattingly,

760
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: So those are guys right there. I mean, as far

761
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: as signing, you know that you talked about the money before.

762
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: They're gonna have a little bit of wiggle room to

763
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: potentially go after, you know, maybe a veteran bat, maybe

764
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: a lefty veteran bat. Maybe they go after, you know,

765
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: a Matt Adams type that they could put for a

766
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: year at first base, and then that brings some power

767
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: because this lineup lacked so much in just driving runs

768
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: and and and slugging. You know, they were the worst

769
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 2: in every in every sort of category, slugging, run production.

770
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: So they need something because with the way it's constructed

771
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: right now, going into the season, I wouldn't be surprised

772
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: if again they have a slow start offensively and are

773
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: going to have to rely on those young arms to

774
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: keep them in games, you know, for a while, until

775
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: maybe some of these moves begin to happen, or maybe

776
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: see you see a prospect ready to go that sort

777
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: of thing. But you know that's why overall in twenty nineteen,

778
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: you know, people need to realize this is just step two.

779
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: It's still they're still rebuilding. I wouldn't expect a huge

780
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: jump yet in year two of the of their process here,

781
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: and that's why the window to me doesn't start to

782
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: at least twenty twenty, maybe even twenty twenty one, depending

783
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: and if they trade JT obviously that's again another big

784
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: hit to the offense. And they don't as of right now,

785
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: they don't have anybody that they could put there a

786
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: catcher that you look at and say, okay, at least

787
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: this is I mean, that's that's gonna be interesting to

788
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 2: see how they plug that for the immediate future.

789
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's something that there's not much of a

790
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: market for right now, or there's not much of a

791
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: market with catchers. There's not very many guys that the

792
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: Marrow could sign and free agency. You named a few,

793
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: but mostly your career backup guys, which might end up

794
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: being the result that the Marlins have to settle with

795
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: is plugging in one of those career backup guys. But

796
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: at this point I don't think they really care as

797
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: long as it buys more time for well Banfield to

798
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: slowly improve and hopefully get up to the bigs at

799
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: some point because his glove should carry him there, despite

800
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: the fact that whether he could hit or not. But

801
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: I do see some potential in his bat. And he

802
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: actually did come on the podcast a while back, right

803
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: after the draft, and he seemed like a really sharp,

804
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: really really good young kid and a hard worker and

805
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: a guy that definitely is gonna get every shot to

806
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: try and make it to the big leagues here and

807
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: the guy that the Marlins are really excited about. But

808
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: the pick almost signaled a little uncertainty about the future

809
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: of Yo minto in my opinion, because they picked two

810
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: catchers in the first four rounds with also taking Nick Fortes.

811
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: So I think that doesn't mean anything. You don't want

812
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: to over look into stuff like that, but it definitely

813
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: implied a little bit of uncertainty with the future of

814
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: real Mute. And we could go all day long, especially

815
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: with what the agent said and whether that's posturing for

816
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: an extension or whether he really does want to be

817
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: out of there. It's all semantics and it's all a game,

818
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: and that's something that's really hard. It makes I know,

819
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: it makes your job difficult because all the fans are

820
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: begging for answers, but even you guys, it's pretty hard

821
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: to find the answers sometimes. And that's something that I'll

822
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: be a developing story as we go forward. But something

823
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: I really wanted to make sure I got you for him,

824
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: got you an opportunity for you to get your answers

825
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: on is we recently had the awards come out of

826
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: the MVP, the Silver Sluggers, the cy Young, the Rookie

827
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: of the Year, and personally, I thought they did a

828
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: really good job with the major awards, the MVP, obviously

829
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: in both leagues. I think they got totally right with

830
00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: Mookie and Yelich, the cy Young's. We're pretty interesting situation

831
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: this year where you have a ten win to Graham

832
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: and you have Blake Snell who was injured but his

833
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: numbers precede himself. There were there any guys that you

834
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: thought got snubbed a little bit? Were there any awards

835
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: you think they got wrong? And what was your take

836
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: on some of those awards that we're giving out so far?

837
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you. I think a lot of

838
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: it really came out the way it should have been.

839
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, yell insured it. I mean, everything

840
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: he did this year you know, all the numbers, the

841
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: different types of numbers he put up, and just to

842
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: carry that team, you know, into the playoffs as far

843
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: as they did. I mean, you know, obviously the voting

844
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: happens before the postseasons, we didn't know how well they

845
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: were going to do. But if you just look at

846
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: the drastic improvement in so many areas, I mean, I

847
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: think they got it right. Muki was a no brainer.

848
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: I mean, he was so good this year. He was

849
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: even better than Trout in many ways, which is like

850
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: which is obviously really hard to do over a future

851
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer like that. You know, the cy Young

852
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: I think, you know, wins are overrated at this point

853
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: to a degree when it comes to when it comes

854
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: to stats in terms of pitching wins, you know, the

855
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: way obviously we've seen how usage of pitching is changing

856
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: and continues to change. Guys are going you know, fewer

857
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: inning starters are going less. You know, we've seen the

858
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: opener developed this year, you know, with a lot of teams,

859
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: but the Gram was on you know, a bad Mets

860
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 2: team that wasn't giving him a lot of run support

861
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: and which which let which fed into that and was

862
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: still dominant I mean even late in the year, when

863
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: you know, when it was already his you know, thirtieth

864
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: start or whatnot, like he was, he was really dominant.

865
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: And I think that's what I think a lot of

866
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: people bought the attention. I mean, this was this was

867
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: a guy who was you know, the sub two E

868
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 2: R A and doing with the things that he was doing.

869
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: And so I think that they were they hit that

870
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: one on the nose, and it was good to see

871
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: Snell get rewarded as well. I mean, you know, some

872
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: people were complaining about maybe Verlander deserved it, you know,

873
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: but I could see, I could see they're the one,

874
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: the one that I got to vote for, which my

875
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: guy didn't get it. I voted for Craig Council for

876
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: Manager of the Year, you know, and not not to

877
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: take anything away from Snicker, I think, you know, for

878
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: Brian Snicker, I think the Braves obviously, I see why

879
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: a lot of people voted for him. I see, you know,

880
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: obviously this year things were a little bit ahead of

881
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: schedule for the Braves, you know, to win the division

882
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: and and do what they did. But you know, I

883
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: really liked the fact that you know, yes, the Brewers

884
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: acquired a few players, but Counsel really did a good

885
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: job of just bringing everything together and making the right

886
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 2: decisions down the stretch, and we really saw the Brewers

887
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: were really, really close to being right there and battling

888
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 2: the Red Sox, and they really easily could have won

889
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: the pennant themselves. So that was the end. Maybe not

890
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: a snub, but it was the one that I disagreed

891
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 2: with obviously by vote there so, But overall, I think

892
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: the voters did do a pretty good job, you know,

893
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: in terms of the major awards.

894
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: And especially with the Rookie of the Year, I mean,

895
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: in almost any other year. Even though Brian Anderson fizzled

896
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: a little bit in the latter half of the season,

897
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that had to do with fatigue,

898
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: never playing one hundred and sixty two games in his

899
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: entire career, of course, being career minor league so far

900
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: to this point, he seemed to just get tired by

901
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: the end, and that's something that Don manningly set himself.

902
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: But I think it was almost indisputable that Ronald Acunia

903
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: was the Rookie of the Year, especially with what he

904
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: did in the latter half of the season. With all

905
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: of those leadoff runs, all of the power production. But

906
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: I did see and a lot of it had to

907
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: do with the fact that just Yankees fans are Yankees fans.

908
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: But a lot of people were upset with the Otani

909
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: selection for Rookie of the Year. But it's something that

910
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: we haven't seen since Babe Ruth, I mean, not a

911
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: single player since Babe Ruth has made ten pitching appearances

912
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: and hit twenty home runs in a season. So that's

913
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: something that we've never seen before. And should he if

914
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: he didn't have elbow trouble, We're talking about probably an

915
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: even more impressive pitching campaign from Otani. But of course

916
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: the Yankees wanted their guy in there, and he had

917
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: a phenomenal season himself. But what did you think of that?

918
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: Al Rookie of the Year voting? And it's kind of

919
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: a difficult situation because you've never had a two way

920
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: guy like that. How do you weigh that out? How

921
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: important is it that he does both all of those

922
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: things that come into account?

923
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think you hit it on the head.

924
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 2: I mean, the the rarity of something like that. I mean,

925
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: to have a guy a picture that that hits that

926
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: way is you know, that's ridiculous that hasn't been seen

927
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: and you know, like I said, since you know the

928
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: ancient times in baseball, and you know that that to

929
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: me is something that wanted hands down for him. I mean,

930
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: I saw the two Yankees guys, you know, both of them,

931
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: you know and DeHart you know, Glabor that they really

932
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: you know, those guys had amazing seasons. There are two

933
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: more that are going to be part of this you know,

934
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: growth of the Yankees team that's going to keep going.

935
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: You know, part of that was when Gary Dembo was there.

936
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: Those guys they started this whole you know, you know,

937
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 2: not not rebuild per se, but reshaping of the Yankees,

938
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: turning them back into you know, World Series contenders, and

939
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: that's going to keep going. But what o'tani is a

940
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: special talent to be able to do something like that,

941
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: and that transcended in terms of baseball just to see

942
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: you know, Pitcher doing those things, and you're right, if

943
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: he doesn't get hurt, it would have been pretty special

944
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: to see how high that could have really gone in

945
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: terms of the numbers he would have put up, you know,

946
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: and again you know again on the team that in

947
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 2: the end really wasn't in the mix, and he's still putting,

948
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: you know, doing something, and there's a guy who gets

949
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 2: hurt and he's still productive for them in many ways.

950
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: I mean, this is gonna be this is gonna be

951
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: fun to see once he recovers, if he's still that

952
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: kind of a player and can continue to do this.

953
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and he's probably one of my favorite players to

954
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: watch in terms of just his sweet left handed swing

955
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: from the plate and just his delivery on the mound.

956
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: Electric stuff, And I mean it's it's almost like there's

957
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: nothing we've ever seen before. Like we've said, but I'm

958
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: going to put you on the spot right here, because

959
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: of course you're not going to come onto this podcast

960
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: and not be put on this. You are a few

961
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: years away from being eligible to vote for the Hall

962
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: of Fame, and I think this is one of those

963
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: things that baseball fans, you know, they say, don't talk

964
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: about politics at the dinner table. I don't know if

965
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: I would talk about the Hall of Fame with baseball

966
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: fans at the dinner table. Because you have such different

967
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: takes on the steroid era, you have different takes on

968
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. It's very arbitrary to people

969
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: what they think is the threshold for the Hall of Fame,

970
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: and I've gotten some heated debates over it. Adrian Belchae

971
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: retiring today kind of was something that got me on

972
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: this path because I tweeted out today that I thought

973
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: he was a first ballot Hall of Famer. I didn't

974
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: even think that was disputable, to be honest, especially when

975
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: you crack three thousand hits. But I guess nowadays everything

976
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: is disputable. What is your if you could vote in this,

977
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: in this upcoming Hall of Fame vote right now coming up?

978
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I have to jog

979
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: your memory with some of these guys, but I think

980
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: you know who's on the ballot. What would your who

981
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: would be guys that you would vote for? And I'm

982
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: very the reason why I'm asking this, for the most part,

983
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: is whether or not you're going to include those guys

984
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: that I'm at that I'm thinking about right now. I

985
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: think you know who I'm thinking about right now. But

986
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: who are your five guys if you had to pick five,

987
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: I know it's a crowded ballot right now.

988
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: Oh wow? Okay, Well, I think Rivera's a lock, no doubt.

989
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: I mean that he's got to be in there. I really,

990
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 2: I really hope Edgar Martinez gets in. I really do,

991
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: because you know, this guy, you know great. I mean

992
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 2: I understand the whole DH argument and all of that,

993
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: but I mean the career that he put together just

994
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: hitting wise, I mean, I think he deserves it. Going

995
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 2: back real quick to the what you said, Jason Stark

996
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: had a funny tweet you said about Beltra Because I'm

997
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: with you on that one. I think Beltray's hands down,

998
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: no brainery. But he tweeted today, here's every player with

999
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: at least three and sixty six hits, four seventy seven homers,

1000
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: eight nineteen ops, and five gold gloves. It's Beltray and

1001
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: Willie Mays.

1002
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 1: Wow.

1003
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: You know that's that's the thing. I mean, he's he's

1004
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: that type of a player. I mean, I'd love to

1005
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: see Roy Halliday get in for how dominant he was.

1006
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: You know, we saw you know, the perfect game down here,

1007
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: you know, to get the no hitter in the in

1008
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: the postseason. I mean, that's another guy for sure that

1009
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: you know that has to be in there. I'm trying

1010
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: to think of who are some of the guys that

1011
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: you feel might be slight. That's that's at least what

1012
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: I throw out there to you, Like three or four

1013
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: right there? Those are three or four that come up

1014
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: come to mind immediately that I think should be in there.

1015
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, and I wouldn't dispute any of those. What

1016
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: do you think about potentially Mike Mussina, now that this

1017
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: seven people would be his or sixty or on the ballot,

1018
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: what do you think about a guy like Mike Messina?

1019
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: Would he have your vote?

1020
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: It's interesting because you know Moose was part of you know,

1021
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: he really he really pitched well, not just in New

1022
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: York and really his career really got to he pitched

1023
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 2: to another level with those Yankees teams and really showed something.

1024
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: He's kind of on the borderline for me. I don't

1025
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 2: know if he'd be an automatic for me right now,

1026
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: but you know, then you have obviously the guys that

1027
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: have been you know, involved in a lot of the

1028
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 2: steroids and the pds. You know, like, yeah, I mean

1029
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: that's the that's the That's the thing is like, how

1030
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: how lenient, how forgiving is the committee getting to at

1031
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: this point where you know, a guy who just on

1032
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: baseball merit, you know, as far as numbers. You look

1033
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: at Roger Clemens, you look at Barry Bonds. Do those

1034
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: guys are Are is baseball at a point where those

1035
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: guys where they can you know, be lenient enough to

1036
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: get those guys in. That's a good question. You know,

1037
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's there yet. I really don't.

1038
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: I think it's maybe it's getting there, Maybe we're progressing

1039
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: to that point, but I'm not. I'm not sold that

1040
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: it's that it's there yet.

1041
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned you're about six, six or seven years

1042
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: off from potentially voting for the Hall of Fame. If

1043
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. Yeah, so you would have Roger Clemens

1044
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: and Barry Bonds final year on the ballot.

1045
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm sure.

1046
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no pressure at all. And they're obviously going to

1047
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: inch up with the last ballot they were both at

1048
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: about fifty seven percent, assuming about one or two votes away. Right,

1049
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: Well vote and if not, are they going to do

1050
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: they know, to blame you for the fact that they

1051
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: are not Hall of Fames.

1052
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: Well, if it continues the trend and and they keep

1053
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: getting they keep adding votes the way they're adding, it

1054
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: won't get to me by then. That's where that's what

1055
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: it looks like. But I mean it's hard to say

1056
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: from from It's hard to say at that point. I mean,

1057
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 2: that's a tough one, you know. I as when before

1058
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 2: anything came out, I liked I liked the rocket a lot.

1059
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: I like Clemens. I love the way pitch that grew

1060
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 2: up watching him pitch, you know, And then you know

1061
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: what Bonds did. I mean, yes, you can blame, Yes,

1062
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: you can blame some of that for for you know,

1063
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: for for the off the field. But I mean, this

1064
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: guy just knew how to hit. In addition to I

1065
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: you know what, what the allegations and everything, that this

1066
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: guy knew how to hit. I mean to a degree

1067
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: that we've that we've barely seen, you know, in the

1068
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: history of baseball, So that that to me, would be

1069
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: the case for him to get in there. If you

1070
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 2: look at you know, don't don't hold against him that

1071
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: the numbers maybe wouldn't be that far off from what

1072
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: they were.

1073
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I totally.

1074
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: Agree with that.

1075
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: It's more of a morality thing, And that's where it

1076
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: gets really contentious, right We're debating whether it's the hall

1077
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: of morality and all of those things. And that's where

1078
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: we could be going back and forth for probably three

1079
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: hours here. But from what I'm assessing from your answer,

1080
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: it's I'd have to think about it for a while.

1081
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, that's definitely one. I mean, I'd have

1082
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: to think about it right you know, not just right now,

1083
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: but even like you said, six seven years from now,

1084
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: when I do have a vote, it would definitely, like

1085
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 2: I'm crossing my fingers that the issue is settled by then.

1086
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: It's going to be close and I'm gonna I'm gonna

1087
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: be waiting for that and all these circling back when

1088
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: the time. But I'm I'm really excited for that opportunity

1089
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: for you, and I mean your your first vote could

1090
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: potentially be Adrian Belchrt. He was one of my favorite

1091
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: players of all time.

1092
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I can tell you that one he's got

1093
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: He's got my vote, hands down. Like I said before,

1094
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: I mean that's even before you know. That's why I

1095
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: quoted Starks Jason Stark's tweet because I really liked that

1096
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: he put the evidence out there of how special this

1097
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: guy's career. And I got to see firsthand the famous

1098
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: drag the the on deck circle moment last year when the.

1099
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: Yeah oh an all time moment there and that's one

1100
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: of the things that he was just a great ambassador

1101
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: for the game. And a crazy story where he had

1102
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: to have a lot of I don't want to give

1103
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: an arbitrary number that because I don't remember, but a

1104
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: lot of his intestines removed, like his first year in

1105
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: the MLB, and it really invasive procedure and something that

1106
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: they didn't know how he was going to be able

1107
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: to respond. And just a crazy story. And I mean,

1108
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: just a phenomenal guy from what we've seen and heard.

1109
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: Definitely a guy that you root for, and it's going

1110
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: to be a shame not seeing him play anymore. Another guy,

1111
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: Joe Maher. I tweeted out that Joe Maher should be

1112
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. Not first ballot, but I said

1113
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: he should be a Hall of Famer and that Soda

1114
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: fans took that in ran I got like four thousand retweets,

1115
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: but I got a fair share of mentions on that

1116
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 1: one too. Would Joe Mauer have your vote?

1117
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: Joe Mauer is another one that's an interesting one. I mean,

1118
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: he's I wonder, I wonder if I probably would lead

1119
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: that way. I probably have to study it a little

1120
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 2: more just to look at numbers and compare guys before

1121
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: saying for sure, yes, but I definitely, I definitely would

1122
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: consider it because you know the type of impact he

1123
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 2: had with them. Another one I just remembered is Andy

1124
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 2: Pettit's on the borderline too. I mean, that's another one

1125
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: similar to Messina. Does he does he get in? I

1126
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 2: mean I think he gets in eventually, But does he

1127
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: get in? Now? You know it was he good enough

1128
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 2: to warrant getting in on this year's ballot. That's that's

1129
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 2: not a given, you know what I mean. And you

1130
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of good names, you know coming

1131
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: this season. I mean Todd Helton's there, another great career,

1132
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: another guy that you know, definitely should deserve consideration for

1133
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: this year. I think he'll get in eventually as well.

1134
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's a pretty it's a pretty sacks

1135
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 2: field to choose from this year.

1136
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: It's really exciting those years coming up to wrap up. Now.

1137
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: I obviously got to circle back to some Marlins talk

1138
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: with the team that's coming out potentially next year. We

1139
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: don't really know what the team's going to look like.

1140
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: We could see a bunch of September Callu submitting Victor

1141
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: Mesa Victor. Victor Masa could be up, Harrison could be up.

1142
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: But in a nutshell, does this team win more or

1143
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: less games than last year's team? Why or why not?

1144
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: Well, where I can see why not is if, like

1145
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: we were saying before, let's say real Noodle gets traded,

1146
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: as we're expecting more than likely is going to happen.

1147
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 2: That's another big hole in the offense. And again, it's

1148
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: gonna put a lot of pressure on the pitching to

1149
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: really come through. And then you're going to have to

1150
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 2: have where you know, how we're all, like we said,

1151
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: we're all excited about the upside, but with that comes

1152
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 2: in experience obviously, So that's gonna be that's gonna be tough,

1153
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 2: especially in the early going for this team to avoid,

1154
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: you know, hitting a big losing streak early on or

1155
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: something like that if they don't perform. And you know,

1156
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: but the argument for would be that some of those

1157
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: guys do develop, and some of those guys show some

1158
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: of the adjustments they've made are going to start to

1159
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 2: pay off. You know, Brinson maybe starts to show up,

1160
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: has the breakout season that Marlins fans are hoping for.

1161
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 2: You know, you look at if any of these guys

1162
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: come up late in the season or maybe even mid

1163
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: season and also contribute. Then you're looking at a team.

1164
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at last season, a lot

1165
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: of injuries happened too, where we don't know. If Caleb

1166
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: Smith stays in the rotation and keeps pitching the ways pitching,

1167
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 2: if that translates to a few more wins. We don't know.

1168
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: If the bull if the bullpen, if Barak Klaw would

1169
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: fallen apart the way he did late in the season,

1170
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: it really had those issues. They don't lose some of

1171
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: those games. You know, they have guys in the bullpen

1172
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: as well. Second rider keeps developing. If Tayron Guerrero, you know,

1173
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: figures out it has a little better control than he's had.

1174
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: We know obviously he's got the velocity. You know, some

1175
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: of those factors. The bullpen was atrocious down the stretch.

1176
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: If they obviously got have to be better than what

1177
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 2: they were last year, would hope. So if all those

1178
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: factors come together, it could be a team that maintains

1179
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: itself a little bit better down the stretch and maybe

1180
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: you know, hits the seventy win mark or so or

1181
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 2: maybe more, maybe seventy seventy five wins something like that.

1182
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 2: I mean, if a few things went differently, they could

1183
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: have been around the seventy win mark this past season,

1184
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,479
Speaker 2: even with all the experience and the struggles they had.

1185
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 2: So I don't think they're that far away from that.

1186
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 2: But again, in the grand scheme of things, the window

1187
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: hasn't begun yet. A lot of work still needs to

1188
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: be done, some moves need to be made the team.

1189
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: But the team is you know, they're on that slow,

1190
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: steady path that they're trying to make. I mean a

1191
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: big splash again. I go back to the trade. If

1192
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: it happens, I really hope they can get for their sake,

1193
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: I really hope they can land that elite stud prospect

1194
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: that can really be, you know, a franchise changer down there,

1195
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: or at least a guy that can make a big impact,

1196
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: you know, going forward.

1197
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: And one final question I'll ask you here. Obviously, Don

1198
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: Mattingley is under contract for one more season. A lot

1199
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: of a lot of people have not liked some of

1200
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: the decisions he's made. Some people are in support of him.

1201
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: Maybe the new ownership might want to bring in their

1202
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: own guy. How safe is Don Mattingley's job should the

1203
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: Marlins put up another season similar to the previous season

1204
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: we just saw.

1205
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if it happens again this year to

1206
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: the degree that it happened, I don't think he's that safe,

1207
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. I mean, you know a

1208
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: lot of people criticize the way he managed some of

1209
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 2: the pitching decisions this past year, you know, with the bullpen,

1210
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 2: that sort of thing, maybe leaving guys in too long

1211
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 2: at times. We saw a lot of guys really take

1212
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: their lumps. I mean, a lot of of this past

1213
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: season was under the reason of this is mostly about development. Obviously,

1214
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 2: they're all going to say, we want to win. That's fine,

1215
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: everybody wants to win, but you had this year was

1216
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: mostly about development. Next year is still about development. But

1217
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: they're going to want to see a little more results.

1218
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 2: They're gonna want to see guys progress. They're going to

1219
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: want to see a little more in the in the

1220
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: win loss factor than they saw this season. The guys

1221
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: are going to be held a little more, you know,

1222
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: to a higher standard, to low higher expectations in those regards.

1223
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: So if you look at a team that it's expected

1224
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 2: to be a little more competitive this year, I think,

1225
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: especially in the final year of his contract. This this franchise,

1226
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: their their front office, they evaluate everything, and matting Lee's

1227
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: right there too. They're going to be evaluating what he's doing.

1228
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,479
Speaker 2: They're going to look at They're going to take a hard,

1229
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: long look at that, and by the end of the season,

1230
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: if they've shown improvement, not just in wins and losses,

1231
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: but in everything, I think that warrants a conversation for

1232
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: them to consider keeping him. And but they really that's

1233
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 2: going to be a big decision for them. Do they

1234
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: feel like he's their guy once they're ready to contend

1235
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, let's say, or twenty twenty one. Is

1236
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 2: he the guy of the future to lead them into

1237
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: their contention years? We'll see. I mean this year again,

1238
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 2: it's not just a big year for Brinceton and all

1239
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: the other guys we mentioned. It's a big year to

1240
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 2: see if Maddingly really can be that guy.

1241
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: And as we wrap up here, any stories that fans

1242
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: can be ready to look out for, anything that you're

1243
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: covering in the for the Athletic Miami and then the

1244
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: coming days, anything that fans can be excited about. Any

1245
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 1: stories that you'll be putting out soon.

1246
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I am it's stuff that still I'm

1247
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 2: trying to get off the ground little by little, but

1248
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 2: I'm looking to potentially, you know, beyond what what I

1249
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: mentioned to you about, you know, looking at the prospects

1250
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: and the yellows trade and looking at potential moves. Obviously,

1251
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: the Marlins are very you know, very soon and maybe

1252
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: within within the next few days, I think may announce

1253
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 2: some of those assistant coach vacancies. So you know, obviously,

1254
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 2: once those become public, will delve into that and who

1255
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: these who these guys are. But beyond that, I kind

1256
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 2: of want to tap into a little bit of the

1257
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: history of the franchise and maybe make you know, reach

1258
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 2: out to a few of the formers legends of the team.

1259
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: You know, Alex Gonzalez is playing in Venezuela right now,

1260
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: and this is I was told this is his last year.

1261
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: He's playing in the Winter League over there. This is

1262
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: the last time he's going to play organized baseball, it

1263
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 2: sounds like, So that'd be something interesting. I'm going to

1264
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: try and see if maybe to catch up with him,

1265
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 2: you know, see what's going on with him, and maybe

1266
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 2: reminisce a little about the big home run back in

1267
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: three or you know, Jant Pierre's on the ballot. I know,

1268
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: obviously not one you talk about, but you know that's

1269
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: a the other one. I mean, Jant Pierre. You know,

1270
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 2: we something that Joe Fersorrow and Clark Spencer guys, we

1271
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: always talk about just the work ethic that he brought

1272
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: to that team back in those days, and and just

1273
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: the kind of player he was. He'd beat someone that

1274
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: I'd love to catch up, you know a little bit

1275
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: with and kind of you know, reminiscent and have his

1276
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 2: tam on what he thinks of just you know, what

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Speaker 2: the organization's doing now does they try to move forward?

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Speaker 2: So you know, that's some of the things I'm going

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Speaker 2: to look into, and obviously, you know, continue to cover

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Speaker 2: this Realmodle story as it goes forward, you know, looking

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Speaker 2: at twenty nineteen, start to kind of, you know, look

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Speaker 2: a look at the building blocks that they have going

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Speaker 2: the next season. Some of the things like we that

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Speaker 2: we discussed now on the podcast, you know, the rotation

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Speaker 2: areas they need to approve, that sort of thing. So

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Speaker 2: going into the winter meetings and beyond, that's that's the

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff that I'm going to try to look

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Speaker 2: into and provide our readers with.

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Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like some really fun stories. Of course,

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Speaker 1: fans love to be so reminiscent about those amazing times

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Speaker 1: with Gonzales and Pierre, and definitely something that I'll be

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Speaker 1: sure to look out for. So I'm looking forward to that, Andre,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Oh, before I let you go,

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Speaker 1: you can follow Andre on Twitter. It's Fernandez Andre in

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Speaker 1: the letter. See for all of your Marlin's coverage and

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Speaker 1: a little bit of Dolphins coverage if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 1: So everything there on both ends of the spectrum, and

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Speaker 1: some great coverage for the athletic. Very small subscription fee,

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Speaker 1: worth every penny. I think it's like the same as

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Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, so absolutely worth it. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, Andre for coming on. I can't thank you enough.

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Speaker 1: Your insight is always appreciated. It's always a pleasure to

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Speaker 1: talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Ron, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: It was good talking to you, and you know I'm

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Speaker 2: here whenever you need me. Thanks man.