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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We are going to

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Speaker 1: have a very interesting show for you today. If you're watching,

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Speaker 1: you can see me. You won't see my guest, but

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Speaker 1: you're going to hear my guest because we're going to

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Speaker 1: keep their identity a secret. Today I'm joined by the

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Speaker 1: director of Investigative Intelligence at the Shepherd's Watch Foundation. She

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Speaker 1: goes by Lisa for anonymity. Shepherd's Watch is a nonprofit

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Speaker 1: organization started by private investigators that target sex trafficking rings,

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Speaker 1: specifically focused in Texas As. I said, we're not going

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Speaker 1: to have Lisa's face on camera, but Lisa, I want

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Speaker 1: to welcome you to the podcast. Thank you for coming here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for having me.

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Speaker 1: What you're doing is fascinating, but it's a world that

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Speaker 1: so few people really understand, and I think it's a

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Speaker 1: world that could affect any of us at any time.

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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of parents are sort of

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Speaker 1: naive to exactly what's happening. So can you explain to

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Speaker 1: us what you're doing and what you're seeing in the

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Speaker 2: Well, trafficking, of course, you would think that the numbers

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Speaker 2: were going down because we have a closed border, we

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Speaker 2: have a lot of education programs. We have a lot

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Speaker 2: of nonprofits that are working in the counter trafficking movement.

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Speaker 2: But what we're seeing is the numbers are actually going up.

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Speaker 2: We used to see about thirteen hundred plus sex ads

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Speaker 2: a day where they sell humans for sex, many of them.

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Speaker 1: You say, you see these ads, Sorry to cut you off,

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Speaker 1: but where do you see that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's shocking to me.

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Speaker 2: Well, you'd be shocked to know that it's not just

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Speaker 2: on the dark web. I mean these are ads that

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Speaker 2: are easily accessible online. Some of these ads come through Facebook,

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Speaker 2: some of the ads come through TikTok, some of the

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Speaker 2: ads come through x platform. The ads are out there,

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Speaker 2: they're easily accessible. The numbers we have software, proprietary software

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Speaker 2: that basically goes out and monitors these platforms and pulls

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Speaker 2: in the ads for a different area, so we can

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Speaker 2: concentrate on different areas or regions in the United States

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Speaker 2: to find out, you know, look at the EBB and

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Speaker 2: flow of the trafficking patterns and to see what's considered

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Speaker 2: to be a hot spot. We create heat maps with

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Speaker 2: that intelligence to show the concentrated areas and if it's

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Speaker 2: moving and changing, like within Texas, but we averaged. Like

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Speaker 2: Dallas and surrounding counties, it was thirteen one hundred a

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Speaker 2: day and change, it grew to fourteen hundred, and by

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Speaker 2: January twenty twenty five we were at fifteen hundred sex

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Speaker 2: ads a day, and as of two weeks ago, I'm

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Speaker 2: they're going up, which tells me it is a supply

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Speaker 2: and demand issue. But there's a lot of money. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of money connected to these sex trafficking operations.

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Speaker 3: And these are people of all ages or I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: I can't even apprehend when you say a sex ad,

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Speaker 1: I can't even comprehend what that is.

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Speaker 3: So can you break that down for us what that

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Speaker 2: The ads are going to be anything from illicit massage businesses.

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Speaker 2: They're so popular now that there's more illicit massage businesses

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. Sometimes you'll have two in the same retail

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Speaker 2: have you know, sex addicts and predators walking in and

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Speaker 2: and those ads populate quite a few times a day.

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Speaker 2: And then you'll have sex trafficking rings. And our average

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Speaker 2: be cross platformed. And it can pertain to anything that

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Speaker 2: It could focus on ethnic trafficking, which might be you're

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Speaker 2: can be straight, gay, trans trafficking, all ages, all ethnicities.

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Speaker 1: So are these the people who are the victims the

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Speaker 1: Borders closed, so we would think it's going down. Is

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Speaker 2: Well, it's both. You know, the numbers of the ethnic

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Speaker 2: rings have not gone down. My trafficking rings have not

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Speaker 2: gone down for us. It's still a supply and demand issue.

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Speaker 2: When you're looking at one hundred and twenty dollars for

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's going back to transnational criminal organizations, but

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Speaker 2: bringing them into the trafficking rings, which was really disturbing

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Speaker 1: So unfortunately, how do they get those kids? I mean,

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Speaker 1: how do you get a domestic child? Because I call

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Speaker 1: and I think, well, maybe that's where these kids are.

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Speaker 1: But how are you recruiting kids that are, like you said,

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Speaker 1: autistic kids that are American citizen? Are they finding them online?

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Speaker 1: I'll connect with these people. How do they get them?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think in domestic trafficking, it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: It's their penance for coming across the border to the cartels.

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Speaker 2: But with the domestic kids, the kids that are groomed online,

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Speaker 2: until we have a legislation that locks down the solid

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Speaker 2: They focus on the autistic children because they have a

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Speaker 2: in a easier victim category. But gaming discord is very dangerous.

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Speaker 2: We see that they've seen them focusing on kids at

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Speaker 2: They get them to digit their devices, digital devices, tracking devices.

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Speaker 2: Some of these kids were groomed for two three years

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Speaker 2: they turn over what's called illegal age. Even if a

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Speaker 2: Another way that they're getting the domestic kids is you know, listen,

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you're looking at recruiters being female, and

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Speaker 2: traffickers know, and they use other children, and they use

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Speaker 1: Then these kids are actually leaving home and they're disappearing

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you're going to have multiple different scenarios.

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Speaker 2: You have foster children that get sucked into this vourtext.

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Speaker 2: You have children that come from broken homes, You have

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Speaker 2: find the weak link in the armor and that's where

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Speaker 3: And when you say they're in them, though, are they

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Speaker 1: Hard for me to envision what exactly happens in a

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Speaker 2: Well, you'd be surprised what the trafficking rings are. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we have trafficking rings that are in million dollar neighborhoods,

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Speaker 2: the same location for eight months. We have technolog where

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Speaker 1: So how do you bust these how do you find them?

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Speaker 1: How do you get in there?

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Speaker 2: Well, what we do is we are considered to be informants,

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Speaker 2: What we do is we build what's called a target

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Speaker 2: The district attorneys know who we are, but they don't

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Speaker 2: know what cases we work on. But basically we just

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Speaker 2: You don't ever want to do anything that's going to

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Speaker 2: very capable, they're very smart, they're very talented. They have

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Speaker 2: into the minefield with the flash going there's a mine,

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Speaker 2: there's a mine, there's a mine, And that's what we do.

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Speaker 3: Stick around.

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Speaker 1: We've got more coming up with Shepherd's Watch, But first

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Speaker 1: The Attorney General's Office in Texas says that there were

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that the tech this is replicated you

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Speaker 3: Is that something that you watch for.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that's one thousand percent correct. And the reason

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Speaker 1: What is the age, I mean, what's the average age

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Speaker 2: The average age of what we see is anywhere between

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Speaker 2: We do watch the lingo. We do watch the patterns

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Speaker 2: They got more creative on where they place these ads

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Speaker 1: Good grief. So do you ever have parents come to

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Speaker 2: Well, we have people who have you intercepted communications between

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Speaker 2: We get all those calls. I mean, it's it's been

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Speaker 1: So is it oftentimes a parent who's been told by

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Speaker 3: There's you know, this is a this is their choice.

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Speaker 1: We're not able to chase them down and they go

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, because you have to understand that, you

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Speaker 2: pushing back on legislation. Seventeen year olds are still in

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Speaker 2: tried for capital murder and consent for sex. You can't vote, right, Oh,

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Speaker 2: There's all these things you can't do at seventeen, but

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Speaker 1: So you you've been talking about seventeen, but seventeen, I

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Speaker 1: mean you still it's still illegal to traffic a seventeen

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Speaker 3: They can say they're agreeing to.

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Speaker 1: This or how does that? I mean, why is that?

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Speaker 1: Is that the magic number for what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: It's a tricky age and there's a lot of seventeen

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Speaker 2: no way that that's legal to have sex with a child,

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Speaker 2: and that's going to be under the age of seventeen

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Speaker 2: not of legal age. So that's when you're really proving

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Speaker 2: a trafficking case. But we do need to move on legislation.

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Speaker 2: You know. I'm not saying that the seventeen year olds

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Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if it's

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Speaker 2: a minor And I think that that would really actually

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Speaker 1: So how do you do that because we've got Democrats,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've even heard some Republicans lawmakers who are saying,

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Speaker 1: So does that have to be a totally separate law

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Speaker 3: Consent with a boyfriend?

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Speaker 1: I mean, does that Is there a way to write

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Speaker 2: I'd really like to know why they want to reduce

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Speaker 3: I agree, and this is a migra.

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Speaker 2: That's an issue, and it shouldn't be Democrat or Republican.

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Speaker 2: I've never known a sex predator to ask a child

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Speaker 2: in my book, at seventeen, at sixteen years old, these

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have to be really careful with this.

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Speaker 2: Why anybody would want to argue that. I think that

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Speaker 2: are you going to have cases where it's going to

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Speaker 2: you know we're going to bang our heads up against

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Speaker 1: It seems like there's a lot of shame around this issue,

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Speaker 3: Isn't that right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, you know, I mean, if you think about it,

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Speaker 2: Why in the world would we want not want to

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Speaker 1: up after this. You brought up autism, and I think

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Speaker 1: that we've started to see in the past year that

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Speaker 1: there has been There are people out there exploiting that

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Speaker 1: group of children for multiple different reasons, but they're.

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Speaker 3: Very I think you made a good point. They can be.

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Speaker 1: Influenced because part of what they deal with as an

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Speaker 1: autistic human is that they don't always understand social cues

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Speaker 1: and what someone is trying to They don't perceive what

464
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Speaker 1: the next step is necessarily in a relationship, and that's

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Speaker 1: where someone who is dangerous can trick that person into

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Speaker 1: doing something else.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that we.

468
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Speaker 1: Have as a society been too lax about protecting the

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Speaker 1: kids that are the most vulnerable too. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: like there's this attitude of kids can make their own choices.

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Speaker 3: Kids don't have to be protected.

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Speaker 1: Kids are just as mature as adults, and regardless of

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Speaker 1: whether you have autism or you are just the average

474
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Speaker 1: sixteen year old kid. I mean, in the state of Michigan,

475
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Speaker 1: I can't even get my kids medical records after they

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Speaker 1: turn twelve years old. They have to allow me to

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Speaker 1: see their medical records. Why are we at this point

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Speaker 1: where we are trying to force kids into being little

479
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Speaker 1: adults when they're just not ready for that.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've stripped away there in a sense, we've stripped

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Speaker 2: away their ability to be children. We're trying to fast

482
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Speaker 2: track them growing up. And so you know, in one sense,

483
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Speaker 2: we want to make them autonomous at the age of

484
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Speaker 2: you know, twelve and thirteen years old, and I think

485
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Speaker 2: that's insanity. You know, why aren't you having them marry

486
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Speaker 2: at twelve and thirteen? Right? I mean, this is insanity. So,

487
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Speaker 2: you know, we have a heart problem. We have to

488
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Speaker 2: peel this back and dial this back on so many

489
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Speaker 2: different layers. But if you continue to push kids to adults,

490
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: their minds can't wrap around. They're not developed mentally, emotionally,

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Speaker 2: spiritually at that point in their life. To make those

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Speaker 2: types of decisions, and that's why historically we haven't given

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Speaker 2: them that platform to make those decisions. They don't have

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Speaker 2: the emotional intelligence at twelve and thirteen as the same

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Speaker 2: to somebody that's eighteen years old. It's just not there.

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Speaker 3: That's funny because that's scientifically proven.

497
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Speaker 1: However, people don't want to talk about scientifically proven facts

498
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Speaker 1: when it's for some reason inconvenient to them.

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Speaker 3: And there is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you make a great point, why aren't they

501
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Speaker 1: getting married? But I mean, if you're an adult at twelve,

502
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Speaker 1: why aren't you going out into the workforce?

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Speaker 3: Why do you still have at least six more years.

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Speaker 1: Of school left? It's just crazy, it's insanity. How do

505
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Speaker 1: we flip this back? What happens when some of these

506
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Speaker 1: kids are pulled out of these rings? What is the

507
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Speaker 1: torture that they've been through? What is the torture that

508
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Speaker 1: they go through to try to recover from this?

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Speaker 2: Well? You know, I think that that's a big question

510
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: for victim restoration people and re align with a lot

511
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Speaker 2: of those guys, and they have a very tough job.

512
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Speaker 2: You're having to basically rebuild someone that's broken. I would

513
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: say that psychologically, mentally, emotionally. You know, there's some things

514
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: there that are going to take some time to rebuild.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you get somebody that's been trafficked for

516
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Speaker 2: a year, you probably have depending upon that person or

517
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Speaker 2: that child, you probably have a better chance of recovery

518
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Speaker 2: than someone that's been trafficked for you know, five years,

519
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: ten years, that's a long road. I've looked at kids,

520
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Speaker 2: you know, dead pin in the face, and I've looked

521
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Speaker 2: at adults that were trafficked for you know, five ten years.

522
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Speaker 2: It's a very blank stare. It's very sad. I mean,

523
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Speaker 2: we've killed their soul. So you know, we should be

524
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Speaker 2: treating this topic with the utmost full force shield around

525
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Speaker 2: these kids, and we're not doing it. And I don't

526
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Speaker 2: know why. I don't know why we're not putting the

527
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Speaker 2: legislation out there. I don't know why we're not upholding

528
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Speaker 2: to it. And I don't know why we're giving any

529
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Speaker 2: wiggle room when it comes to the registration of sex

530
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Speaker 2: offenders that should never be removed off that table. You

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Speaker 2: want to play with parole probation or time sentencing as

532
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Speaker 2: a district attorney, because you're getting a plea bargain and

533
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Speaker 2: you're getting information about drugs or other rings or other

534
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Speaker 2: ved acts. That's one thing that registration as a sex

535
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Speaker 2: offender that should be there for their lifetime. Never let

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Speaker 2: them go.

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Speaker 1: There has been this glorification of selling your body. And

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Speaker 1: I say that in all seriousness because we see these

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Speaker 1: young women who are influencers and I even struggle to

540
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Speaker 1: use that word because they have decided to go online

541
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Speaker 1: and they'll say, I'm going to have sex with one

542
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Speaker 1: thousand men in one day. I'm breaking the world record

543
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Speaker 1: for the number of men you can have sex with

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Speaker 1: in one day. This is a glorified People are sharing

545
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Speaker 1: it all over the internet.

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Speaker 3: Can you believe it?

547
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Speaker 1: This woman did this? Then you've got another woman challenging her.

548
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Speaker 1: You have men lined up around the block to sleep

549
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Speaker 1: with someone who has just had sex with hundreds of

550
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Speaker 1: men before that boy, and they're check, oh, we checked

551
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Speaker 1: their ideas to make sure they're over seventeen.

552
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Speaker 3: How did we get to this point.

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Speaker 1: Where, I mean, I always knew social media would become

554
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Speaker 1: an ugly place, ugly for multiple reasons, but the thought

555
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Speaker 1: of selling your body this way. But then these women,

556
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Speaker 1: they talk about how they've done this, They've broken world records,

557
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Speaker 1: they've gotten paid for this. Then they take you on

558
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Speaker 1: a tour of their multi million dollar home and say,

559
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that I have this large body count. That's

560
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Speaker 1: what they're calling it. Yes, if you don't know, these

561
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Speaker 1: women who are out there glorifying having sex with hundreds

562
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Speaker 1: of men in a day, call it their body count,

563
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Speaker 1: almost like they're proud of it.

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Speaker 3: And they're making massive amounts of money.

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Speaker 1: Off of it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean we have a heart problem.

567
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Speaker 2: You know when you when you look at you know,

568
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Speaker 2: sex addiction, which is you know, the same driving forces

569
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Speaker 2: is at alcohol addiction, drug addiction, gambling addiction. It's an addiction.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen predators that will hit you know,

571
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: ten massage parlors looking for one girl, and you know,

572
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: you sit outside in the parking lot and you'll see

573
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Speaker 2: guys coming out in scrubs that are doctors. You'll see

574
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Speaker 2: professional people. It's not it's not what people think. And

575
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: they're utilizing these services. They know that those women probably

576
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Speaker 2: are not not getting treated right, and those women are

577
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Speaker 2: allowing them to do anything that they want to to them.

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Speaker 2: They're predators. It's a sex addiction, and we've we've become

579
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Speaker 2: complacent with this. It's just kind of been okay. You know,

580
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: look at the music industry, look at you know, look

581
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Speaker 2: at a retail industry, and look at look at clothes

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Speaker 2: for kids. You know, I see some of these kids

583
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Speaker 2: walk around and some of these outfits are like hey,

584
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Speaker 2: mom and dad, Yeah, I know, they didn't go into

585
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Speaker 2: the store and buy this. What's up with that? I mean,

586
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: that's not okay. But you know when you look at

587
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: some of the sports bars, I mean, somebody needs to

588
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: answer me. Why I need my food brought to me?

589
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: Was somebody that's got lingerie on? I mean, I've been

590
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Speaker 2: into locations in North Texas that, you know, just minus

591
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: the pole strip poll it's a strip club. I mean,

592
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Speaker 2: I don't even know how it got past our economic

593
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Speaker 2: development board and planning and zonning. I don't even know

594
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Speaker 2: how because a health department.

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Speaker 1: My girls are middle and high school, and they've talked

596
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Speaker 1: about that it's hard to even buy clothes today. It's

597
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Speaker 1: hard to find clothes that meet dress code for their

598
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Speaker 1: schools because the clothes that they're making for young girls

599
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: are quite frankly, they're just slutty. They're just terrible, and

600
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: the shorts are too short, they've got these tops that

601
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: are crop tops. It is a you're right, it's a

602
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: societal problem, and it's hard to say, how, okay, how

603
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Speaker 1: do you solve this without the community solving it.

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Speaker 3: It's not it's not a legal issue. It really is

605
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Speaker 3: a heart issue.

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Speaker 1: So you have to come around as a community and

607
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Speaker 1: say we are going to change things. I think you

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Speaker 1: just blew my mind though, when you said in the

609
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Speaker 1: middle of the day, you've got professionals and people and

610
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Speaker 1: scrubs walking into these places and having sex with kids.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm totally shocked and horrified.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I sat there with a actually

613
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Speaker 2: it was with a journalist. So she said, well, you

614
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Speaker 2: know who goes into these places? And I said, we'll

615
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Speaker 2: just sit here for a minute. And you know, we

616
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Speaker 2: had this guy, very good looking guy, obviously a doctor,

617
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Speaker 2: came out and he had his you know, scrubs on,

618
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Speaker 2: and he still had his hat on, and he said,

619
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Speaker 2: he's probably had it back to work. And she said,

620
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Speaker 2: what makes you say that? And I said, usually they

621
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Speaker 2: take their hat off when they're done for the day,

622
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Speaker 2: and you know, you just have you know, it's almost

623
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Speaker 2: like you have this half sick giggle because you got

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Speaker 2: I can't make this stuff up. It's like, this is

625
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Speaker 2: what you see and it is disturbing. And I don't

626
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Speaker 2: I don't know that we can really necessarily solve the

627
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Speaker 2: trafficking problem overnight, but I think we have to solve

628
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Speaker 2: what what we condone? What's our lever of Okay, you

629
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Speaker 2: know it's to me, it's not okay to go into

630
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Speaker 2: a sports bar where girls are you know, eighteen years old,

631
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Speaker 2: seventeen years old, eighteen years old, and you've got you know,

632
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Speaker 2: older men groveling over some young girl that's standing there

633
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Speaker 2: in a thong and a seafough bra. And I'm like,

634
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Speaker 2: this isn't a strip droid. It's supposed to be a

635
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: restaurant bar. So why why is this Okay, this is

636
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the suburb, This is right next

637
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Speaker 2: to big corporations and that parking lot's pack.

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Speaker 1: And that's why we said, no, we shouldn't have little

639
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Speaker 1: kids at a drag club that is a sexual drag club.

640
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Speaker 1: You shouldn't have little kids dressed in drag having sexual

641
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Speaker 1: motions in front of adults. This is all of this.

642
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Speaker 1: It's not a discriminatory thing. It's to protect kids. We

643
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Speaker 1: should be able to talk reasonably about protecting kids. And

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Speaker 1: I think, like, as you're talking about this, I know

645
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Speaker 1: we're we're out of time. I just want to say

646
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: this last thing. As we're talking about this. I think

647
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Speaker 1: about a few weeks ago, we went to the White

648
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Speaker 1: House and they had the mugshots up of the people

649
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: who had raped and murdered people, and the news media

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Speaker 1: was outraged, saying, how could you possibly put these people's

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Speaker 1: faces on camera.

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe that's the answer. Maybe more of that is

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Speaker 3: the answer.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if this guy is so bold as to

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Speaker 1: go into this place in the middle of the day

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Speaker 1: and have sex with a child, probably actually has a

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Speaker 1: wife at home, then let's put his picture up. I

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Speaker 1: really think that's the point that you have to get

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Speaker 1: to to shame people and to saying, you know what,

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Speaker 1: it's so taboo, it's so wrong, it's so disgusting. I

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Speaker 1: never want to have my picture out there. I never

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Speaker 1: want to be that person that does it because obviously

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Speaker 1: they think it's okay, but I bet they wouldn't like

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Speaker 1: people to know they're doing it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's true, and I think that it

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Speaker 2: comes back to bringing people back to center. Adults can

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Speaker 2: consent and do whatever they want to. You know, you

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Speaker 2: guys want to have a fetish ball. You guys want

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Speaker 2: to dress up in this exactly. You can consent, you're

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Speaker 2: an adult. Leave kids alone, and let's style this all

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Speaker 2: the way back that let's not even go to the

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Speaker 2: borderline age because you're too close to the age of

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Speaker 2: non consent. Leave kids alone. Let teenagers be teenagers. Leave

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Speaker 2: them alone. And you know when you look at a

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Speaker 2: parking lot that's full, that's going into an establishment, and

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Speaker 2: these guys are you know, falling all over and making

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Speaker 2: inappropriate You know, we know trafficking goes on in these places.

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Speaker 2: We've we've caught it, but watching their behavior, you know,

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Speaker 2: while they're on their lunch hour, and you're right, some

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Speaker 2: of them are married. I'm sure it's it's it's not okay.

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Speaker 2: And what we when we've got we've got a heart

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Speaker 2: problem where we think that it's okay to act lud

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Speaker 2: towards a child, act lud towards someone because we're in

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Speaker 2: a bar environment, act loud towards someone as they're walking

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Speaker 2: down the street or an ad or promoting that we

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Speaker 2: got to start peeling the back and realize and how dangerous,

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Speaker 2: that is, and you know online behavior, online grooming. Throw

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Speaker 2: the book at these guys. I know that they're making

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Speaker 2: big changes in Florida, big changes in Carolina. I know

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Speaker 2: they're making big changes all over with anti grooming bills.

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Speaker 2: And it's for this reason we have to start stopping

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Speaker 2: it at the bud and cutting these guys off and

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Speaker 2: making it known that this is not okay anymore. What

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Speaker 2: we were, it's not okay.

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Speaker 1: There is no punishment harsh enough for someone who goes

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Speaker 1: after a child. And just so people understand, there are folks,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was a congressman who was caught doing

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Speaker 1: this and protected. There are people all across the country

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Speaker 1: at all different walks of life who what they will

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Speaker 1: do is they will groom for years, two, three years

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Speaker 1: until that kid turns of consent age. But that child's

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Speaker 1: mind has already been as far as I'm concerned, that

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Speaker 1: grooming process is already abusive. They should already be held

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Speaker 1: account for that, because it doesn't matter that the kid

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Speaker 1: went from eighteen to nineteen sixteen to seventeen. Their mindset

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Speaker 1: is still a child, and they have manipulated them until

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Speaker 1: they got what they wanted. And it is twisted. It

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Speaker 1: is sick, and there's no punishment harsh enough.

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Speaker 2: Oh I agree. I mean when you look at the

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Speaker 2: numbers of students and teachers, at teachers having sexual inappropriate

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Speaker 2: sexual contact, grooming, child exploitation, just this last year, the

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Speaker 2: numbers are booming, you know, skyrocketing. But you know, if

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Speaker 2: we approach this as it being a problem for all

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Speaker 2: of us, and it's not one sided politically, and it

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Speaker 2: can't be weaponized, and I correct people all the time,

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Speaker 2: you know, And I've got people on both sides of

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Speaker 2: the fence fighting this right now, both Democrat and Republican.

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Speaker 2: And when they start lashing out of each other, I

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Speaker 2: just respond back to say, and what have you done?

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Speaker 2: When legislation have you passed? What have you done? Did

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Speaker 2: you get off the X Were you afraid of offending

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Speaker 2: the people that were at your table? I would say,

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Speaker 2: be offended. I protect kids. And that's what it comes

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Speaker 2: down to. We've got to that has to be that

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Speaker 2: is our number one commodity. That is our future of tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: That is how we are going to grow old peacefully.

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Speaker 2: That is our future. That's who's going to lead our country,

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Speaker 2: And this is how you're treating them and this is

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Speaker 2: what you're making okay and it's not okay.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Lisa from Shepherd's Watch, thank you, thank you for

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Speaker 1: what you do. Thank you absolutely, and thank you all

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