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Speaker 2: There's not got a free shot.

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Speaker 1: All these networks lying about the people, the people have

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Speaker 1: I know you've tried to do everything in the world

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Speaker 3: It's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: And where do people like that go to share the

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Speaker 5: Mega media?

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Speaker 4: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of

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Speaker 6: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 6: If that answer is to save my country, this country

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Speaker 5: Or use your host, Stephen k Ban.

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Speaker 1: It's abound, eight December, year of for Lord twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: the pressing business about twenty twenty six. Remember the theory

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Speaker 1: therefore to keep the Trump Revolution going. John Fredericks is

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Speaker 1: live in Indianapolis. It moved over to the Senate today.

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Speaker 1: We were very successful in the House last week, John

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Speaker 6: Well, Today's a big day. See we're here at the

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Speaker 3: There's let me just bottom line this.

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Speaker 6: This thing has got to get out of committee within

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Speaker 3: This should be about six o'clock Eastern time.

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Speaker 6: Six votes right now, I'm told, as of right now

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Speaker 6: You hear some of the protesters screaming behind me. You know,

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Speaker 6: Well, when you're a state center, he had to Speaker

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Speaker 6: Now, what Maggie is saying is they're going to primary

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Speaker 6: This is mag gang. They got a billion dollars plus.

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Speaker 3: You're not getting a dime. So that message is getting out.

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Speaker 6: The states here in Indiana are tremendously high, not only

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Speaker 3: These guys are playing hardball, Steve.

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Speaker 3: Indiana's right now on the front to stop that.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you know, the optics here are very

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Speaker 6: That's a great question. And unlike Texas, I was not

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Speaker 3: This is probably the nastiest thing that I've been involved in.

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Speaker 3: I could guarantee you that.

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Speaker 6: And it's also going to cost Indiana hundreds of millions

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Speaker 6: They have bazookas. We want to go into with a

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Speaker 1: We'll follow the logistics here before I lose you, our

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Speaker 6: to beat it with good governance. Get Democrats together, get

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Speaker 6: You want to beat this thing, You want to get

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Speaker 3: Plan in California. How how'd that work out, Steve, It's

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Speaker 1: Sure McCarthy and Schwartzeninger didn't invite. They kept Trump out,

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Speaker 2: It am am I off base on that.

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Speaker 6: John, No, you're one hundred percent right, But that that too,

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Speaker 3: Gonna codify that.

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Speaker 6: They're gonna they're gonna get things in this referendum to

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Speaker 11: I spent very little time. David does all the heavy

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Speaker 11: US company. They also bought an exclusive license and now

442
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Speaker 11: they've been over one hundred million dollars building this gravity

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Speaker 11: based storage solution and the renewable for the renewable business

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Speaker 11: in Rudong, China. So it's a it's a great example

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Speaker 11: of an area where there's less of a fewer barrier

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Speaker 11: to collaboration. Climate, where US technology and know how and

447
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Speaker 11: intellectual property is being is being implemented by Chinese that

448
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Speaker 11: happened to be pretty good at building stuff and doing

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Speaker 11: it at scale. And so I'm not as discouraged, I

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Speaker 11: think as many of you are that there can be

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Speaker 11: no more business done there because whether it's climate, food, security, aging,

452
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Speaker 11: you know, there are so many areas health related things

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Speaker 11: where there are are collaborations, there need to be more

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Speaker 11: collaborations in those walls, you know, need to be broken.

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Speaker 2: Down collaborationists, is right? Is that correct me? If I'm wrong?

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Speaker 2: The bushes.

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Speaker 1: This is the same family that when Dng Shampang slaughtered

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Speaker 1: ten thousand people and freedom fighters and students, art students

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Speaker 1: building the Goddess of Liberty in Taneman Square, he sent

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Speaker 1: over his general to the National Security Council to say, hey, look,

461
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Speaker 1: we just got to figure things out. You got to

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Speaker 1: tone this down and we'll get you into the World

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Speaker 1: Trade Organization.

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Speaker 2: We'll get you into most favored nation. Is that the

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Speaker 2: same family, Natalie, Well, I'll.

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Speaker 10: Also raise you this.

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Speaker 9: You got Richard Nixon's grandson also there at the event, speaking,

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Speaker 9: giving not just a keynote address, but also participating in

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Speaker 9: a panel discussion. So I guess there's like a genetic

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Speaker 9: prerequisite for selling the United States out to China to

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Speaker 9: speak at this forum, And of course the Carter Center

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Speaker 9: had multiple representatives there. We also had people who were

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Speaker 9: formerly working at State Department working on the sort of

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Speaker 9: China desk.

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Speaker 10: Also people who used to be the National.

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Speaker 9: Security Council and even the CIA working on China matters.

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Speaker 9: I would probably tell the DOJ to get on that one,

478
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Speaker 9: because something tells me there are probably a lot of

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Speaker 9: documents ending up there in the hands of China that

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Speaker 9: shouldn't be Historically, that's always been their playbook, right, sort

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Speaker 9: of co opting these Western intelligence officers into giving them

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Speaker 9: whatever they so so see. But why, I thinks to you,

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Speaker 9: this story is so emblematic of sort of this H

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Speaker 9: two hundred ship decision.

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Speaker 10: People like David.

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Speaker 9: Sachs, right, all these people who think they're such intellectuals,

487
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Speaker 9: the smartest people in the room.

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Speaker 10: I guess it's a pretty small.

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Speaker 9: Room, but those people are going to be responsible for

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Speaker 9: ensuring that what I think is the lie of the

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Speaker 9: Thucidides trap, which is this sort of lack of agency

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Speaker 9: that the United States has in terms of being overtaken

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Speaker 9: by China. By the rise of China, they are solidifying

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Speaker 9: that fate by giving China these chips. It's like refueling

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Speaker 9: our enemies jet engines mid mid War. I was looking

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Speaker 9: at historical examples of where people have ever given their

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Speaker 9: enemies that they are in active combat against such an

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Speaker 9: influential and impactful device technology weapon. Take your pick there's

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Speaker 9: absolutely no example of it, because it is just unprecedented.

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Speaker 9: And when you look not just at conjecture, but if

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Speaker 9: you look at Chinese law, their industrial plans, their military strategy,

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Speaker 9: they are openly admitting just that AI, but more importantly

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Speaker 9: that they build up the actual kind of making these

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Speaker 9: chips domestically. That's one of the key tenants of what

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Speaker 9: they are trying to do from a military strategy standpoint.

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Speaker 9: And it is not just I mean, you can't plead ignorance.

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Speaker 9: It is intentionally I mean nefarious to be giving the

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Speaker 9: Chinese Communist Party access to these technologies when they're absolutely

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Speaker 9: nowhere near these capabilities. They're clear leapfrog technologies that can

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Speaker 9: allow them to then basically surpass the United States. And

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Speaker 9: it's just so David Sachs and these types can make

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Speaker 9: a quick bucks. I've covered the China issue for a

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Speaker 9: very long time, as you know on this show, and

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Speaker 9: it brings me a lot of sadness to see the

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Speaker 9: Trump administration doing this.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to something you say, let's

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Speaker 1: not bury the lead. It's about the city's trap and

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Speaker 1: kind of the architecture of how our elites look at this.

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Speaker 1: This is the famous discussion Graham Allison and Henry Kissinger

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Speaker 1: had about the rising you know, Athens and Sparta, the

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Speaker 1: Peloponnesian War, the rising power and the declining power. And

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Speaker 1: Graham Allison one time came over to the came over

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Speaker 1: the Breitbart Embassy that sits atop the war room, had lunch,

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Speaker 1: and we went through it. And he had a book

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Speaker 1: at the time Destined for War. I think was the

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Speaker 1: title of it that he put the City's trap theory

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Speaker 1: was in there. And I asked him, I said, is

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Speaker 1: there any example where on the way down that the

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Speaker 1: dominant power, the elites made more money in.

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Speaker 2: The way up?

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Speaker 1: And I think this example today is perfect. I think

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Speaker 1: what you mean by we don't have agency is that

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Speaker 1: you actually let Jensen Wong and these guys talk you

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Speaker 1: into and David Sachs talk you know, allow the country

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Speaker 1: to basically arm if we're concerned about artificial intelligence, and

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Speaker 1: if we're concerned about a spotkneck like moment, an inflection

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Speaker 1: point like we were against the Soviets, and if you're

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Speaker 1: worried about that, we're in this race and we have

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Speaker 1: to turn over everything, including our weapons labs and our

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Speaker 1: national labs to the oligarchs, so they can have it

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Speaker 1: just a rent.

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Speaker 2: Free to do what they want.

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Speaker 1: And it's because of this, then why do you do

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Speaker 1: anything to assist our enemies.

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Speaker 2: You crush them, you shut it down.

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Speaker 1: No kids in college, no people over here being trained,

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Speaker 1: no access to equity, capital markets, no access to debt,

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Speaker 1: no financial markets, no help, no assistance, no logistics, and

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Speaker 1: certainly no chips.

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Speaker 2: You can't have it both ways.

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Speaker 1: You can't say that we have to have unfettered control

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Speaker 1: by the oligarchs of AI because we're conservative, the Chinese

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Speaker 1: Counties Party and at the same time arm our greatest

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Speaker 1: enemy and the enemy of the Chinese people, the law Bijing,

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Speaker 1: the common Man.

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Speaker 2: Short break, Natalie Winters on the other.

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Speaker 5: Side, War Room.

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Speaker 2: Here's your host, Stephen k Ban Natalie. We talk about

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Speaker 2: agency a lot.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons for this show is a platform

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Speaker 1: for the grassroots leaders of the MAGA movement. Is people

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Speaker 1: using their agency to make a difference that's changed the

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Speaker 1: arc of history. What do you mean about that in

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Speaker 1: the regards to the selling of chips, advanced chips to

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Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party, about the country doesn't have its agency, What.

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Speaker 9: Do you mean, Well, I think that through City's paradigm

567
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Speaker 9: is uniquely applicable here. I think, as you would say,

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Speaker 9: you and maybe call it the law of thermodynamics.

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Speaker 10: We'll maybe call it the law of physics. Right, what

570
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Speaker 10: goes up must come down.

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Speaker 9: But there's this sort of I think pre determined belief

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Speaker 9: or idea that China is the rising power, and therefore

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Speaker 9: it will rise and it will overtake the United States.

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Speaker 9: And I'm not sitting here like other China hands for decades,

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Speaker 9: you know, who've been warning saying China's going to collapse.

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Speaker 9: China's going to though their economic reality right now doesn't

577
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Speaker 9: look too strong. I'm not negating the obviously transition and

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Speaker 9: the economy that they have, but it doesn't necessarily imply

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Speaker 9: that they are going to overtake the United States. But

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Speaker 9: I think that that narrative, which make no mistake that

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Speaker 9: the Chinese love the Thucidities drap concept, right, That's why

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Speaker 9: they mainstreamed it because it's sort of I think the

583
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Speaker 9: American foil to what is the number one piece of

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Speaker 9: propaganda that you hear come from Beijing, which is the

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Speaker 9: idea that China's economy is just going to rip and

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Speaker 9: roar and overtake the United States.

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Speaker 10: And there's nothing we can do about it.

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Speaker 9: And I think American elites have really internalized that, not

589
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Speaker 9: just for one because they view them obviously it's the

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Speaker 9: market access wanting to expand and do business over there,

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Speaker 9: but it also sort of I think absolves them of

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Speaker 9: the moral culpability of partnering with like you said, not

593
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Speaker 9: just an ex essential threat to the United States, but

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Speaker 9: look at the human rights abuses, look at their whole

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Speaker 9: track record on anything that we at least pretend or

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Speaker 9: purport to value here in the United States. Only through

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Speaker 9: that mindset, right, if you assume that China is going

598
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Speaker 9: to overtake the United States, that you could justify giving

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Speaker 9: them these chips, And you sort of see that trend

600
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Speaker 9: line right in the ideology as to why we have

601
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Speaker 9: to give it to them, because otherwise what they're just

602
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Speaker 9: going to continue to dominate us in a field where

603
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Speaker 9: they actually historically will not even if you look at

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Speaker 9: exactly where these h two hundreds are in comparison to

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Speaker 9: where they are.

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Speaker 10: Obviously the very very.

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Speaker 9: Heavy restrictions, blacklists, whatever, we've put a lot of their

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Speaker 9: chips on, from Huawei to Smick, take your pick.

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Speaker 3: Giving them.

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Speaker 9: These chips really speeds up that timetable by orders of

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Speaker 9: magnitude that otherwise wouldn't be accomplished. So I think that

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Speaker 9: at the end of the day, in the same way

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Speaker 9: you see that trend line in the H one B debate,

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Speaker 9: the idea that you are betting against America, you are

615
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Speaker 9: needing foreign talent, right, the idea that just America being

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Speaker 9: the number one country is not enough. We have to somehow,

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Speaker 9: I don't know, import a bunch of foreigners, or in

618
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Speaker 9: this case, we have to export a bunch of technology

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Speaker 9: to foreigners.

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Speaker 10: It's this really backward.

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Speaker 9: It's calculation that I just don't really quite know how.

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Speaker 10: You square it.

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Speaker 9: And Steve, the key point here is that this was

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Speaker 9: supposed to happen in the dead of night, right, This

625
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Speaker 9: was supposed They're supposed to, you know, pull pull the

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Speaker 9: rug the wool over your eyes, and this was supposed

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Speaker 9: to just go through, whether it's the AI stuff or

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Speaker 9: the chip stuff. And thank God for the show for

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Speaker 9: Joe Allen people who raised awareness. But I asked Joe

630
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Speaker 9: when I was hosting, I was like, this was supposed

631
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Speaker 9: to just be rolled out and sort of quietly tucked in.

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Speaker 9: Whether it was the NDAA, don is its own thing

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Speaker 9: through Congress. Now it's the Executive Order, but it's the

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Speaker 9: same thing. If this is such a good idea, then

635
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Speaker 9: pitch it to the American people.

636
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Speaker 10: But they're not.

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Speaker 9: They're only now trying to make a you know, really dumb,

638
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Speaker 9: assinine pitch to the American people that it's what somehow

639
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Speaker 9: good for the United States economy to maintain a competitive

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Speaker 9: edge with China by giving away our only competitive edge

641
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Speaker 9: because they've been outed by shows like this, by you.

642
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Speaker 9: So it's it's it's so dumb. I wish we had

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Speaker 9: a better argument to engage with. I'd encourage them to

644
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Speaker 9: read the Thucidides Trap and then maybe read some I

645
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Speaker 9: don't know documents, some revolutionary spirit and understand that nothing

646
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Speaker 9: is predetermined or predestined, certainly not the Chinese Communist Party

647
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Speaker 9: overtaking the United States.

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Speaker 1: I realized when Nixon did the geopolitical move, it was

649
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Speaker 1: because we're after the evil Empire, at least at the

650
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Speaker 1: beginning stages of it. But it's interesting that both Nixon,

651
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Speaker 1: the two Nepos, you know, Neil Bush and he had

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Speaker 1: Nixon's with grantson both there. I want to remind people,

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Speaker 1: and Natalie, we got to go back down memory lane

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Speaker 1: on this. I think this was late twenty nineteen or

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Speaker 1: I think it was early twenty twenty, the first month

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Speaker 1: January when we shifted the one hour of warm impeachment

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Speaker 1: to war room pandemic and of.

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Speaker 2: Course Raheem and you know, Raheem stuck around.

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Speaker 1: Jason Miller said, I don't know you guys have lost

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Speaker 1: your mind or her impeachments on fire?

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Speaker 2: What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: But I believe you had been an end to people

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Speaker 1: whn't know this.

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Speaker 2: Natalie's worked with us forever.

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Speaker 1: You're an intern first for Raheem over at National Pulse,

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Speaker 1: and then you segued over your memory serves me correct

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Speaker 1: your very first story, the very first scoop you ever broke,

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Speaker 1: was about the Bush This Foundation, and they literally lost

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Speaker 1: their minds, did they not?

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Speaker 10: They are the gift that keeps on giving.

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Speaker 9: You know, we're always about exposing the people who are

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Speaker 9: traitorous sellouts to this country. They were busy shipping masks,

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Speaker 9: not that we like masks here in the War Room,

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Speaker 9: but to China. Back when we didn't know what was

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Speaker 9: going on with COVID and we thought maybe we might

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Speaker 9: need these masks instead of giving them to people in

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Speaker 9: Texas who may have ostensibly needed them. Like I said,

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Speaker 9: it was the early days. Don't worry, I'm not pro mask.

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Speaker 9: But they sent me the equivalent of an email season

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Speaker 9: assist saying change the article. This is not true. People

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Speaker 9: are calling us, pulling their donations. They're really upset.

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Speaker 3: And I was.

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Speaker 9: Nineteen at the time, maybe eighteen, I don't know, and

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Speaker 9: I was like, no, it's true.

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Speaker 10: FactCheck me.

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Speaker 2: And here we turned in high school, just graduated.

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Speaker 1: Natalie, where do people go to get all your stuff

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Speaker 1: on sub stack and all your content?

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Speaker 2: We're your coordinates.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, Steve, Natalie jiners on all platforms and it's

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Speaker 9: Nataliejewinders dot substack dot com. You can read the piece,

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Speaker 9: watch the clip, and share it and mock the bushes,

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Speaker 9: because why not.

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Speaker 1: Thank you man, appreciate you, Thank you, Senator Mike Lee.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Real America's voice has been good enough. I

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Speaker 1: think we're gonna below the last brake and go all

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Speaker 1: the way to the end of the show. Senator Lee's

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Speaker 1: going to join us here momentarily. I think by phone

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Speaker 1: very important endeavor over at the Supreme Court today that

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Speaker 1: could set a new direction, particularly about presidential power. I

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Speaker 1: want to go back to this and talk about artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 1: There is a and we're not although we're not accelerationist,

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Speaker 1: we understand the great potential of artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 2: It does.

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Speaker 1: It has incredible potential, but it also has incredible downside.

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Speaker 1: The only thing people are talking about here are some

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Speaker 1: sensible controls, and people are not arguing that the state

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Speaker 1: should have all the power here but absent any federal.

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Speaker 2: Regulations at all.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, there's more regulation on Capitol Hill right

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Speaker 1: now to open a nail salon or to braid hair.

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Speaker 1: Then there isn't the most one of the most dangerous

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Speaker 1: technologies that mankind's ever had. And you've got to be

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Speaker 1: very careful about this technology. This is not coming from me,

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Speaker 1: This is coming from the top experts in the field.

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Speaker 1: And so you have to have a modicum of some

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Speaker 1: at least regulatory apparatus like we had for the Atomic

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Speaker 1: Energy Commission and other regulatory apparatuses that we have. And

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Speaker 1: President Trump is the leader in the deconstruction the administrative

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Speaker 1: state and taking on the deep state, but he still

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Speaker 1: keeps a regulatory apparatus. Look at this, this basically investment

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Speaker 1: banking gunfight you've got going on right now for Warner Brothers.

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Speaker 1: Now have Paramount jumping in here in a hostile takeover.

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Speaker 1: We have Netflix trying to make an offer of people

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Speaker 1: think could be you know, could could drive up your

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Speaker 1: streaming bill.

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Speaker 2: All those have to be worked out.

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Speaker 1: The FTC and the main justice on antitrust are to

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Speaker 1: the groups that get in there. You have some sort

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Speaker 1: of regulatory apparatus, but the tech oligarchs have and I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure sure they fully informed President Trump twice, not once,

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Speaker 1: but twice on two must pass Probably just let me

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Speaker 1: know when Senator leads up, so we can get into

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Speaker 1: the uh we get into this cold open. Not once,

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Speaker 1: but twice in the last couple of months, within one

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Speaker 1: hundred days of each other. They tried to put in

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Speaker 1: into must pass legislation, the first being the Reconciliation or

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Speaker 1: the Big Beautiful Bill, the second being the NDAA, the

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Speaker 1: National Defense Authorization Act, which is that must pass piece

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Speaker 1: of legislation that keys that tees up the spending of

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Speaker 1: the appropriation's bill for the Defense Department and the spending

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Speaker 1: of the defense budget for our national security. Twice they

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Speaker 1: tried to put in you know this slipping the AI amnesty,

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Speaker 1: which basically overruled any state regulations whatsoever in the absence

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Speaker 1: of any federal regulations, and a number of people on

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Speaker 1: both sides say out you talk about you talk about

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Speaker 1: working together. You have people that are Democrats and many

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Speaker 1: Republicans are sitting there going hangover. Second, we don't have

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Speaker 1: any control of for our children, oversight for our trip

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Speaker 1: and our communities, our creators, Conservatives to be blocked out

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Speaker 1: all of it. And that's just the start. We also

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Speaker 1: don't really know where these people are going. A lot

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Speaker 1: of this is funded by the federal government. More importantly,

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Speaker 1: the financing for data centers and for energy and ultimately

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Speaker 1: water will be tredeans of dollars. The chief financial officer

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Speaker 1: of Open AI admitted that she said the time this

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Speaker 1: is just weeks ago, and this was verified by zero Hedge,

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Speaker 1: that the overall looks like build out right now. The

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Speaker 1: capital budget as it exists today is going to be

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Speaker 1: I think something to five to six trillion dollars, and

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Speaker 1: for trine of that may be put up by debt

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Speaker 1: and lending and private lending markets, private capital markets, private equity,

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Speaker 1: public equity, but at least a tree and even on

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Speaker 1: their first cut was going to have to be somehow

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Speaker 1: is going to be involved in some sort of government

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Speaker 1: financier guarantees.

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Speaker 2: In fact, the CFO, when she.

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Speaker 1: Was kind of outed and read the riot Act by

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Speaker 1: people over at open and other accelerationists and artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 1: said why did you say that?

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Speaker 2: Why did you say the quiet part allowed? She said,

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Speaker 2: it was at least a trillion dollars.

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Speaker 1: Forty eight hours later, I went to a briefing some

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Speaker 1: of the smartest people in the world on this very topic,

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Speaker 1: and I was told, point blank, Steve, we really think,

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Speaker 1: as we calculate, we think the number is closer to

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Speaker 1: nine or ten trillion dollars for the build out of this,

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Speaker 1: and that would mean I so, well, gosh, that would

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Speaker 1: mean that you would actually have more involvement by equity

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Speaker 1: and debt Kapermark. He said, no, no, no, no, no, That

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Speaker 1: other four or five training is probably going to have

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Speaker 1: to come with some sort of government guarantees. So you've

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Speaker 1: got an active, big part of this that the whole

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Speaker 1: EO assigned the other day on the National Labs and

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Speaker 1: the weapons labs. We have no earthy idea about what

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Speaker 1: the costs of associated with that, and who's going to

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Speaker 1: pay that should just be the taxpayers. We're going to

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Speaker 1: have to get to a very tough conversation. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be tough about the equity ownership of those companies

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Speaker 1: and who actually owns the equity or who owns all

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Speaker 1: the equity just go to management in the existing investors,

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Speaker 1: or if this is going to involve tremendous access or

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Speaker 1: full access to our government labs and national labs, which

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Speaker 1: you pay for the taxpayers, And if it's going to

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Speaker 1: take trallions of dollars of debt, that's going to have

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Speaker 1: to have some sort of guarantee are maybe direct lending

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Speaker 1: by the government. Who knows, because it hasn't been discussed.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't the American citizen get his beek wet? Shouldn't American

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Speaker 1: citizens just get a piece of the action, not the government.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the American citizens themselves. If this is

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Speaker 1: going to be a trillion dollar land grab and all

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Speaker 1: this value is being created, this is not socialism. This

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Speaker 1: is true capitalism. One of the problems in our system

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Speaker 1: today is that it is it's almost like state capitalism.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I have a handful of companies that are

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Speaker 1: the frontier labs that are driving this. They seem to

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Speaker 1: be getting most of the government benefit and most of

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Speaker 1: the control of the labs, and potentially I guess these

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Speaker 1: government guarantees they're talking about now that was waved off initially,

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Speaker 1: but hey, they're going to start coming back and say, well,

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Speaker 1: look the bild these.

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Speaker 2: To create these jobs, you're going to have to do this.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't the American people?

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't the American people participate in us If this is

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Speaker 1: a whole of government approach, if this is a whole

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Speaker 1: of society approach, shouldn't society take advantage?

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Speaker 2: And shouldn't society have a piece of the action? More

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Speaker 2: on this tomorrow. I want to know Senator Mike Ley's

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Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 1: We have a cold open for certainly an incredibly important

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Speaker 1: day at the Supreme Court, and anytime we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the Constitution, we want Senator Mike Ley of Utah to

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Speaker 1: help us break it down.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a cold open cerainly, and we're going to

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Speaker 2: go right down.

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Speaker 8: Supreme Court is considering even more power for the executive

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Speaker 8: in this case President Trump, and during oral arguments today,

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Speaker 8: the administration tried to convince the justices that the president

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Speaker 8: has the ultimate authority to fire anyone he wants in

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Speaker 8: the executive branch, including members of what are considered independent

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Speaker 8: federal agencies like the Federal Trade Commission, specifically, in this case,

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Speaker 8: Rebecca Kelly Slaughter, a Democratic member of the FTC who

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Speaker 8: the President fired back in March because he said she

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Speaker 8: did not align with his agenda. The conservatives on the

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Speaker 8: Court appeared open to siding with the president, but Justice

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Speaker 8: Sonia Sotomayor did not hear she is laying out her

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Speaker 8: core concern with the case.

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Speaker 4: Isn't it problematic, given what we know about the founder's vision,

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Speaker 4: that what this is going to amount to at the

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Speaker 4: end of the day is putting not only all executive

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Speaker 4: power in the president, but an incredible amount of legislative

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Speaker 4: slash rulemaking power and judging in the president's hands.

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Speaker 12: Is it still a smart idea for all of us

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Speaker 12: individuals to base our judicial theory or legal theory based

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Speaker 12: on a bunch of guys two hundred and fifty years

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Speaker 12: ago guessing at what might be a good system of government.

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Speaker 13: I think it is, and I think this president proves

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Speaker 13: it better than any anyone else ever could. The entire

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Speaker 13: theory of the separation of powers was if you break

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Speaker 13: up power both between the various branches and between the

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Speaker 13: federal and the state governments, then our liberties are protected.

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Speaker 13: And what we have done over the last two hundred

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Speaker 13: and fifty years is ignore that lesson and give more

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Speaker 13: and more power to the federal government, and then more

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Speaker 13: and more power to the executive branch.

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Speaker 5: Of the federal government.

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Speaker 13: And now we have one person with way too.

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Speaker 3: Much power over all of our lives.

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Speaker 13: And I actually hope that what we learned from this

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Speaker 13: is Congress as list the notes, could set these rules

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Speaker 13: itself for clean air and clean water, and hey, what

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Speaker 13: about fifty state governments. They can do some of this

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Speaker 13: stuff too.

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Speaker 3: We don't have to put all of our eggs.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and they know that, at least according to Gallop,

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Speaker 14: their sort of acceptance and approval writing among the public

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Speaker 14: is as low as it's ever been since Gallup has

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Speaker 14: been asking the questions. And yet they seem to want

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Speaker 14: to do everything in the vein of immunity and helping

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Speaker 14: Donald Trump with his political project, which is to consolidate power.

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Speaker 15: So the problem, there's a legal aspect, and there's the

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Speaker 15: real consequence that Claire talked about legally. This is what's

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Speaker 15: so just unbelievable about what they're doing. Congress has created

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Speaker 15: these agencies that the executive then oversees, and Congress, in

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Speaker 15: creating them can has put in very few restrictions. They

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Speaker 15: have reporting requirements. You can't fire people without a reason,

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Speaker 15: and that's not a big deal. You can still fire people,

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Speaker 15: you have to actually have good cause. So Congress is

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Speaker 15: spending and has the power to spend, and they can

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Speaker 15: create these agencies and they have conditions.

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Speaker 3: And now you have the.

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Speaker 1: Supreme Mike Lee, the author of Saving Nine.

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Speaker 4: You.

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Speaker 1: Every time we have a constitutional issue, sir, we turn

885
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Speaker 1: to you. You're phoning in today. What happened at the

886
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: Supreme Court? What are the stakes here, sir?

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Speaker 7: What the stakes are high steeve In this case, we're

888
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Speaker 7: dealing with the president's ability to be the president, to

889
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 7: act as the president. The fundamental premise of Article two

890
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 7: of the Constitution is that the executive power within the

891
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Speaker 7: US government is vested in the president. The President of

892
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Speaker 7: the United States, a single individual is the executive branch.

893
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Speaker 7: And what that means is that he can undertake what

894
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Speaker 7: an executive does for the entire US government and should

895
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Speaker 7: be able to fire anyone in the employee of the

896
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Speaker 7: executive branch, any officer, certainly of the executive branch, save

897
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Speaker 7: only the vice president because the vice president is also

898
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Speaker 7: elected on the same ticket as the president, so that

899
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Speaker 7: person can't be fired mid term. But everyone else should

900
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Speaker 7: be able to and certainly any officer wielding policy authority,

901
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 7: making decisions enforcing the laws, as is the prerogative of

902
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Speaker 7: the executive branch. Those people should always be removable by

903
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Speaker 7: the President for any reason or no re at all.

904
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Speaker 7: We've got a nearly one hundred year old president a

905
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Speaker 7: case called Humphrey's Executor, which concludes that it's okay to

906
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Speaker 7: have a special carve out for the facto fourth branch

907
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Speaker 7: of government within the executive branch, that's untouchable by the president,

908
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Speaker 7: that is lawless. It's led to a long train of abuses,

909
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Speaker 7: and it's a big problem, and I think that by

910
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Speaker 7: the end of this term, the Supreme Court is very

911
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Speaker 7: likely to undo Humphrey's Executor.

912
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Speaker 1: You're saying, this is the president going after the administrative

913
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Speaker 1: state and deconstructing the administrative state. We already had the

914
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Speaker 1: case on the chevron I guess exemption, but this is

915
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Speaker 1: actually on the Article two argument where he can actually

916
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Speaker 1: go in and let people go. And what this really

917
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: gets down to, correct me if I'm wrong, is Russ

918
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Speaker 1: vote as his own b director talking about riffs, talking

919
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Speaker 1: about not just taking out the head of the FTC

920
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Speaker 1: or some of these people that are so controversial.

921
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Speaker 2: At the top in these alphabet agencies.

922
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Speaker 1: But this is really the president actually being the executive

923
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Speaker 1: and determining that, Hey, I'm going to get rid of

924
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Speaker 1: these people over usaid, what is the scale of what

925
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Speaker 1: we're talking about?

926
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, good question, Steve. This certainly relates to all

927
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Speaker 7: people within the executive branch. I think an opinion could

928
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 7: easily go that far. This case doesn't necessarily require it

929
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Speaker 7: to go that for because this case deals specifically with

930
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Speaker 7: members of the Federal Trade Commission. President Trump fired Commissioner

931
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Speaker 7: Slaughter earlier this year, not for cause, as the statute contemplates.

932
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Speaker 7: The statute contemplates that once somebody has been nominated by

933
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Speaker 7: a President confirmed by the Senate, that they serve for

934
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Speaker 7: a term of years and until that term is up,

935
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Speaker 7: they can be removed basically only if they commit a

936
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Speaker 7: crime or something like that, or some kind of wrongdoing

937
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Speaker 7: or complete malfeasance in office. But my point is that

938
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Speaker 7: when the president designates officers of the US government, that

939
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Speaker 7: should go along with the same mindset that allows the

940
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Speaker 7: president to fire anyone of those individuals for any reason

941
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Speaker 7: or no reason at all. In other words, they serve

942
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Speaker 7: at the pleasure of the president. That's how it ought

943
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Speaker 7: to work. Certainly with an officer is important as powerful

944
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Speaker 7: as a federal trade commissioner.

945
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Speaker 2: You've been a student of watching this court explaining it

946
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: to us.

947
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Speaker 1: Do you see I think we've won twenty one of

948
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Speaker 1: twenty three or twenty two of twenty four at the

949
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, and it seems like the Roberts Court is

950
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: going avers way to say we're not the warrant court,

951
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: We're not going to be interventionists, and that they continue

952
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Speaker 1: to say in some of their opinions these are political

953
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: issues and should be settled politically. Do you still see

954
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: the trend line on that, sir.

955
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Speaker 16: I do.

956
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Speaker 5: I do.

957
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 7: Look, in my lifetime, we have not seen a Supreme

958
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 7: Court that is more dedicated to the rule of law,

959
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 7: but it's more dedicated to the idea that the law

960
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 7: as meaning its meaning is established based on the words

961
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 7: and how they were used, how they were understood by

962
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 7: the public at the time of their enactment, and answering

963
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 7: a legal question and deciding a legal dispute necessarily is

964
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 7: going to turn on what those woulds mean and how

965
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 7: they were understood by the public at the time they

966
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 7: became law, and that sort of thing. While it may

967
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 7: sound obvious to us today, it has not always been obvious,

968
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 7: and in our lifetime we've had a lot of judges

969
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 7: who haven't gone in that direction. This Court, i believe,

970
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 7: is going to continue as it has so far, to

971
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 7: make decisions based on what the law actually says, rather

972
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 7: than based on some weird theory of social justice or

973
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 7: what professors at this or that Ivy League institution or

974
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 7: telling them to rule as the law. They're interested in

975
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 7: what the law says, not what they wish it said.

976
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: Certainly, where do we get your book which teaches about

977
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court?

978
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: Saving nine?

979
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: And where do we go for your coredins on social media?

980
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: Keep up with all this?

981
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, Saving nine can be founded on Amazon or pretty

982
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 7: much anywhere books are sold. And if you want to

983
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 7: follow my commentary, my personal commentary on things, you can

984
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 7: go to x at base Mike Lee at base, Mike Lee.

985
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 7: That's where I provide a lot of this commentary. And

986
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Speaker 7: I recorded a brief video today shortly after leaving the

987
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Speaker 7: Supreme Court and after watching these arguments, giving my reaction

988
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 7: to that kiss.

989
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: We're going to push that out though the video was great.

990
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Speaker 1: Center Lee, you're quite based.

991
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us. So I appreciate you.

992
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 7: Thanks so much, Steve.

993
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Speaker 3: Good to be with you.

994
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: Huge day at the Supreme Court today.

995
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: So at six o'clock, I've got the head of AfD

996
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: Alternati for Deutschland talking about guess what, losing the country

997
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: to Islam in the fight they're trying to shut their

998
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: political party down because they're frying it. Also Raymond Ibraham,

999
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Speaker 1: the author of Two Swords of Christ, about the military

1000
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: orders and all the wars we fought against Islam and

1001
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: the courage of the Christians. Mike Lindell, we got three minutes,

1002
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: give me a minute on what you're doing in Minneapolis, sir,

1003
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: to fight the good fight, because you've got a Muslim

1004
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,600
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1005
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,560
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1006
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1007
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 16: Sir, Yeah, absolutely, and we worked on that all afternoon.

1008
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 16: I had to head with Keith Ellison. Remember, everybody, he's

1009
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 16: trying to shut down at my online platform to help

1010
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1011
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 16: And this is uh he's doing right in middle, right

1012
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 16: in the middle of all the fraud that I believe

1013
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,239
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1014
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,160
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1015
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1016
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Speaker 16: And so we spent the afternoon Steve, We've got a

1017
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1018
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