1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: You are listening to Waiting on Reparations, a production of 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Yo Yo Yo. You don't know us 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: thinking we won't touch like his's hammer time, wait on 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: reparations and literation of Palestine, talents flying. If you criticize, 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: you can chast a size while they turned the city 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: blocks into disaster sides. Take a pick rasterized flight on 7 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: panic line. Put it on the screen, let them see 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: and read the caption line. It ain't all right. The 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: far right ship and millions of people living in the 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: partis grip. Black people know the struggle. Imperialists degreed, Go 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: ahead and grab a blood. We're gonna tell you what 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: you need. Linn with Franka Dope Knife. I don't want 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: the stems to seed. I'm saying, dope ship, hoping you 14 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: remember me living in for me, my name's Dope Night. 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: We are waiting on reparations and freedom for palestime. Yeah, well, okay, okay, 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: So this is one of those episodes where something's going 17 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: on in the news or in the world around us that, yeah, 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: it just kind of makes me feel like we have 19 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: to touch on the subject and we can't just go 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: on with the regular scheduled programming, you know, like makes 21 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: us feel like at least we should talk about something 22 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: that's kind of related to the subject, you know. So 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: with that, we're going to be discussing a little bit 24 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: about the situation going on in the Middle East with 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: Israel and Palestine. This past Saturday was Knock the day, 26 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: the annual commemoration of the destruction of Palistin villages and 27 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: the expulsion escape of more than seven hundred thousand in 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: Palestinian eras, about half of pre war Palestines Arab population 29 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: UM from their homes during the Palestine War. I know 30 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: that you were before that we you know, started the show, 31 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: mac you're talking about marches going down down in Savannah. 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they were marching earlier today down by City Hall. UM. 33 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been seeing a lot of that in 34 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: the news, just like people all over the world arching 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: in solidary of Palestine. UM. All over the country. UM. 36 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: On Saturday, people marched in the streets to show their 37 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 1: solidarity with the folks UM who have been living under 38 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: occupation and are currently you know, getting bomber shipped in Palestine. 39 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: But here in Atlanta, we had, you know, thousands of 40 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: people marching the streets for Palestinian Liberation, and interestingly, the 41 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: Knockba March in Atlanta ended up joining this Justice for 42 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: Jabell Robinson rally. Jabril Robinson in two thousand and sixty 43 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: and was shot twice in the back and once in 44 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: the head by Atlanta police after leaving an altercation in 45 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: its girlfriend's house. People are still calling for justice and 46 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: his name to this day. And so when the marches converge, 47 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: Jabberl's family started chanting from Palestine and then the palest 48 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: Stinian Solidarity marchers began saying say his name, And this 49 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: beautiful moment where these two movements came together to to 50 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: like reflect on the linkages between our struggles and how 51 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: our liberation is all sort of bound up together. And 52 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: the black liberation in Palestinian liberation movements actually have a 53 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: long history of going to connect a struggle um and 54 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: today we are going to explore some of those connections 55 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: between the fights for black and Palestinian lives, stretching back 56 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: to the black liberation movements of the nineteen sixties and 57 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: seventy is all the way up to you what's been 58 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: going on today? So what is going on today over there? 59 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: I mean pretty much in a nutshell. The Israeli military 60 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: and Hamas are lobbying missiles at each other, with people 61 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: caught in the crossfire. Um It's further the New York 62 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: Times a week of fighting has left more than two 63 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: hundred people dead in the Israeli occupied territories, the vast 64 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: majority of them Palestinians killed by Israeli air strikes and 65 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: the Gaza Strip. The violence is intensified over the past 66 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: eight days as diplomatic efforts of stalled and Israel has 67 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: scaled up its bombing campaign against SAMAS. The war is 68 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: being fought on multiple fronts. According to the Israeli Air Force, AMAS, 69 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: the militant group that rules the Gaza Strip, has fired 70 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: more than three thousand rockets towards Israeli cities and towns, 71 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: killing at least ten people. Israeli forces and settlers have 72 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: killed twenty Palestinians during the unrest in the West Bank, 73 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: a Palestinian human rights group said, and the wave of 74 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: mob attacks hit at least one mixed Arab Jewish city 75 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: in Israel. I agree with some people to the extent 76 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: when they say that the Israeli Palestinian conflict is very complicated, 77 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: but there are some things that aren't that complicated. Yeah, 78 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: when you like you know how and then and there 79 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: are immediate parallels as someone that's been involved in like 80 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter too, you know, very different in scale, 81 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: but similar in UM in what's the word for it, 82 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: in asymmetricality of force UM that we see here and 83 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: we're seeing over there right now. So, yes, motherfucker's a 84 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,239 Speaker 1: shooting rockets at each other. But you've got one side 85 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: that has you know, billions of dollars in military technology 86 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: and weapons, the backing of the US government UM, A Navy, 87 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: air force, a military UM attacking people who are largely 88 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: throwing rocks and yeah, shooting rockets sometimes, but like dispossessed 89 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: from their lands, only have electricity several hours a day, 90 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: many of whom don't have clean drinking water, and so 91 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: you just have to think about who has got the 92 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: power to do more harm and how are they using 93 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: it UM, Which is kind of how I've come to 94 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: like understand like, even if the history is very fraught, 95 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: there's some things that are not fraught. That's very clear 96 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: asymmetricality in this struggle. Similar to when we are out 97 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: of these protests in the United States, someone might throw 98 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: a water bottle. Next thing we have no, No, you 99 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: have rubber bullets, shoot like taking your eye out, uh, 100 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: to your gas building, your lungs, and the you know, 101 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: the the state is able to drag you off to 102 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: jail and charge you, um, and then didn't you perhaps 103 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: for decades for participation in an expression of freedom of speech. 104 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: And so this asymmetricality between like the powers of a 105 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: state that's militarized to the teeth, armed to the teeth, 106 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: funded to the teeth, and the people you know, in 107 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: the streets just trying to like maintain and survive UM 108 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: is part of the lens through which I've come to 109 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: understand what's happening UM in Israel and Palestine right now. Well, 110 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: the the thing that I'm noticing this go around is 111 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: just that at least, you know, uh, opinion over the 112 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: situation there has definitely been traditionally more nuanced and objective 113 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: in other countries than the US, like just historically, like 114 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, like for for the for the most part, 115 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: other countries, you know that the general population is kind 116 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: of you know, have an understanding that it's like, hey, 117 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: this this situation is is you know, Palestine is getting 118 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: a real raw deal in this situation, Like most people 119 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: can recognize that, but in the here in the US, 120 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: because of obvious propaganda, I think we've all been you know, 121 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: like for a long time, people were conditioned to just 122 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: kind of you know, tow the lines like nope, uh, 123 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: it's terrorists, you know, Israel it has to defend themselves. 124 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: Israel has to defend themselves. And it's like this go around, 125 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: there seems to be a lot more like public if 126 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: not necessarily support, But just like the situation isn't being 127 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: painted as black and white as it has in the past, 128 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: just from a like media perspective. I mean it granted, 129 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: there's tons and tons of awful coverage of this whole 130 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: situation if you watch the corporate news, but you know, 131 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: I could get into some headlines and some like digging 132 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: into the grammatical constructions of agency and victimhood or lack 133 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: thereof in a lot of these New York Times articles 134 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: and just like all of the place sort of erasing 135 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: the humanity of one side of the people in the struggle. 136 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: Um no, you were mentioning John Oliver had like a 137 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: scathing session and there was a couple other clips that 138 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: went viral. Um I think it was all from MSNBC, 139 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: but media San had one. Yeah he had one. He 140 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: had one as well. And it's just you know, even 141 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: back in when they were going at it, you wouldn't 142 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: have seen like a segment like that on either on 143 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: the that channel. And yeah, you wouldn't hear Palestinian voices 144 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: in these conversations. Social media particularly, I think under the pandemic, 145 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: the way people have become really really in like Wisconsin 146 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: spheres like Twitter, um, it allows for voices to be 147 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: elevated that previously would get quashed as well. I think 148 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: through the the radicalization of the general public, the shift 149 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: of the Overton window left with regards to the military 150 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: and policing, and this desire are for under represented voices, 151 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: under represented perspectives. People are like I like, they just 152 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: want to know like this, like they've just we've never 153 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: been given the chance to understand the Palestine inside of 154 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: this situation. People just are thirsty to hear what, like 155 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: what they have to say. I think all of this 156 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: post I think the post pandemic era in terms of 157 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 1: people's awareness of like global situations and things like that, 158 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna will be in for a pleasant 159 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: surprise at least on that end, because I think it's important. 160 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: I think this happening now between Israel and Palestine, the 161 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: way that it's being viewed is very different because it's 162 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: it's being viewed in a world that's just been shaped 163 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: by a year of COVID and everything that's followed with it, 164 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: and in America the election that we just had, the trauma, 165 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: the post trauma that we're going through, you know. So 166 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: I think I think all that makes everybody have like, 167 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, more of a unique perrective and then also 168 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's got a new generation that's a lot 169 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: more progressive in and confute things in the light that 170 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think it should be so right, did 171 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: a challenge, challenge the dominant narrative, like you just rather 172 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: than passively receiving knowledge just like m like that, like 173 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: authentically like there are two sides in this, in this 174 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: and I want to hear from both of them. From 175 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: hearing from one, and when you hear from the other, 176 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: when you see the children, you know, walking around in 177 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: the rubble, or you hit the story of the fifteen 178 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: year old kid who threw his self off of the 179 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: eight story building because his entire family have been obliterated 180 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: by rockets like you do with that information what you will? So, yeah, 181 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: you mentioned to the fourteen, one of the more recent 182 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,119 Speaker 1: uh flare reps of conflict that I think captured the 183 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: collective consciousness um in the United States. Since we're gonna 184 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: get into that to that's of fourteen, we're gonna go 185 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: back even further than that, talk about Malcolm X, talk 186 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: about quam Terrey, talk about uh Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee, 187 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: and various other black liberation groups that have weighed in 188 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: on the struggle previously. After the Jump, Black power activists 189 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: have long identified with the Palestinian struggle against Israel, seeing 190 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: in the former of kindred people of color fighting for 191 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: freedom against imperialist domination. Now Historically, a bevy of thinkers 192 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: have seen the United States and Israel as white supremacist, 193 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: settler colonial projects that shared core tenants, oppressive tactics, aggressive strategies, 194 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: propaganda techniques, and apparatus is. As a result, key historical 195 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: figures such as Malcolm X, James Baldwin, A Mere Baraka, 196 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: and various other black organizations, including Student Non Violent Coordination 197 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: Committee and the Black Panthers of All express support for Palestine. 198 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: For example, the Student Non Violent Coordinating Committee, which was 199 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: a civil rights group form to give younger black people 200 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: more of a voice during the civil rights movement, declared 201 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: solidarity with Palestine during the Arabs really War in nineteen seventies. 202 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: In nine seven, a couple of years later, the League 203 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: of Revolutionary Black Workers formed in Detroit. Nine nine. It's 204 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: one of the first workers organizations to take up the 205 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: cause of Palestinian liberation. Black and Arab autoworkers joined together 206 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: to participate in l RBW led wildcat strikes, and the 207 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: group's solidarity with Palestine became a point of struggle between 208 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: them and the city's ruling class. The l RBW transform 209 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: the Wayne State University student newspaper into a radical citywide paper, 210 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: but after publishing pro Palestine articles, the administration used false 211 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: charges of anti Semitism to launch an all out attack 212 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: on the LBW on campus. So they've been doing that stuff, 213 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: you know, for fifty years. That's the aspect of it 214 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: that really annoys me, because it's like my whole ship 215 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: is I'm just like I don't funk with right wing stuffy, 216 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: Like I don't care if the right wing, if the 217 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: right wing stuff isn't is white, I don't funk with it. 218 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: If the right wing stuff is black, I don't funk 219 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: with it. If it's Muslim right wing stuff, I don't 220 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: work with it. And if it's Jewish right wing stuff, 221 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: I don't funk with it. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, period. 222 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: And obviously the world is rife with anti Semitism that 223 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: we have to get rid of. That you can easily 224 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: point to for an example, but simply not the basis 225 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: of this criticism. My whole ship is. I just don't 226 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: understand how, oh well, the bad guy was hiding amongst 227 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: all the kids, so we had to kill everybody. I 228 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: don't understand how that is the explanation, Like, how is 229 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: that a thing? Um? Not just there is an anti 230 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: Semitism within um with with like you know, famous figures 231 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: within uh, like Black liberation struggles historically. You know that 232 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: Malcolm X tow the lines sometimes and perhaps crossed it. Um. 233 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: But you know, I think a movement that rejects both 234 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: of us saying that you can leverage logical critiques, you know, 235 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: based on the facts, while also you know, not smearing 236 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: a people as necessarily you know, uh, monolithic or you 237 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: know all all all these folks, you know, I think 238 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: this way or something like that. Like its it requires nuance. 239 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: But it's critical because we can't fall forward the same 240 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: right wing shit that you know, that uh, that we 241 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: claim to reject. We can't fall for that ship. We 242 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: can't we can't get tack into that. No funk that 243 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: I mean if if some if somebody from like I 244 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: don't know, if somebody from like Norway who was like, man, 245 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: funk Trump, it just seems like for my reactually be like, 246 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: why are you talking about me? Why would you why 247 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: would you exactly exactly? Oh, you hate America, you hate 248 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: my family? No, man, I hate this guy that's doing 249 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: racist like oppressive ship to people. This guy's enacting policy. 250 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: But anyway, so um so. The Black Panther Party was 251 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: also supporters of the Palestinian struggle. In his article on 252 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: the Middle East, Black Panther Party leader Huey Newton states, 253 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: we support the Palestinians just struggle for liberation. We will 254 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: go on doing this and we would like for all 255 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: progressive people around the world to join our ranks in 256 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: order to make a world in which all people can live. 257 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: Is The BPP evolved into an internationalist organization focusing not 258 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: only on struggle for black liberation the United States, but 259 00:15:54,560 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: seeing the linkages between other resistance movements against subjugation of 260 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: peoples of color and the way that the way that 261 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: they use similar tactics of militarization and police occupation in 262 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: other countries. The Black Panther Party recognized that in order 263 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: to end the oppression of people United States say to 264 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: work to end imperialism all over the world, because the 265 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: United States not only perpetrating a form of genocide against 266 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: black people here, but you know the way that we've 267 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,239 Speaker 1: been exploiting Africa, the way that we fund uh the struggles, 268 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: and the way we fund oppression through um you know, 269 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: military coups in South America, like all over the world. 270 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: We got our fingers and some ship. It's all imperialism. 271 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: And so for them, Palestine with the forefront of that 272 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: worldwide confrontation. Malcolm X was a known staunch opponent of Zionism. 273 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: He contended against it in an article that was published 274 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: by the Egyptian Gazette called Zionist Logic Goes Back in 275 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four, and the document Malcolm X notes the 276 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: parallels between subjugation of Palestinians and Africans. He pointed out 277 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: the strategic value of Israel to world imperialism. He stated, 278 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: the ever scheming European imperialist wisely placed Israel where she 279 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: could geographically divide the Arab world infiltrate and so seeds 280 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: of dissension amongst African leaders who also divide the Africans 281 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: against Asians. Damn, that would have been a good opportunity 282 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: to my Denzel Washington voice. So what do you what 283 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: do you think about that? He saw how like the 284 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: powers that be, like the elites, they wanted us to 285 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: like to and and we see this happening now like 286 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: oh well, um, I didn't see you come out to 287 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: the you know, stop Asian hate rally. So why should 288 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: I put a Black Lives Matter to found in my 289 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: front yard and vice versa? Or oh, we gotta like 290 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: look out for our people in our country first, so 291 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: that we can you know, and funk whatever is happening 292 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: in me and mar or you know, or Vietnam. But 293 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: it's all part of the same system and same struggle, 294 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: same struggle. Yeah, And so we sow dissension among African leaders, 295 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: so they're fighting amongst themselves or you know, so hatred 296 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: for the four Asians among the Africans, or you know 297 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: among uh for Africans among the Asians. That way they 298 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: can't come together to fucking fight off the people who 299 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: are really fucking up everyone. Ship and he saw that, yeah, 300 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: and the n Actually he was one of the first 301 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: African American leaders to meet with the newly formed Palestine 302 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: Liberation Organization. So fast forwarding a little bit too present. 303 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: More recently, um, when Israel unleashed war on Lebanon thousand six, 304 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: h Tony Morrison, along with seventeen other prominent intellectuals, issued 305 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: very principled statement condemning Israeli aggression and refusing to equivocate 306 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: in the face of the demonization of the Palestinian National 307 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: Liberation Forces. Is stated, the subsequent arguments, accupuizations, and vows 308 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: all served as a distraction in order to divert world 309 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: attention from the long term military, economic, and geographic practice 310 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: whose political aim is nothing less than liquidation or of 311 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: the Palestine Palestinian nation. So like not no both size 312 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: is um coming from Tony Morrison on a ship. The 313 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: solidarity continues today on many fronts, including support for International Boycott, 314 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: Divestment and Sanctions movement. Prominent black intellectuals including Angela Davis, 315 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: Cornell West, Alice Walker, they've all endorsed the call for BDS, 316 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: which you know that even itself has been, you know, 317 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: a hot button topic. They've actually been passing anti BDS 318 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: laws where um companies or or people who are involved 319 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: in b D in anti or in b DS protests 320 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: or boycotts, they can't get government contracts to do things. 321 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: So for example, if you've been involved in it and 322 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: you have like a cleaning business, then like they've got 323 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: your cleaning business on like a list that you can 324 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: never get like a government contract. I'm just pulling out 325 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: cleaning business out of the hat. But yeah, like yeah, 326 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: so that's another point of contention too. So let's let's 327 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: jump head to two thousand and fourteen. Black Lives Matter 328 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: start popping off in Ferguson, Missouri. There was a famous 329 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: well not when he got famous through this Palestine and 330 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: activist by the name of Bassim Masuri who was very 331 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: engaged in the protests in St. Louis after Mike Brown 332 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: was murdered, live stream lots of events around Ferguson during 333 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: the uprising and was arrested and interrogated in the protests. 334 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: And actually he was one of many Ferguson activists who 335 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: has died since two thousand fourteen, which we talked a 336 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: little bit about in our very our second episode wire 337 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: Tap reps but Um at the time of the Ferguson protests, 338 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: Masury wrote, when Mike Brown was murdered in Ferguson, my 339 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: people in Gothap were being slaughtered by Israel and Operation 340 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 1: Protective Edge. The timing of the two events woke up 341 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people. When Mike was killed, much of 342 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: the media started demonizing him in the protesters, often the 343 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: same sources that blame Palestinians for their own deaths and Gaza. 344 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: He went on to say, when the police use military 345 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,239 Speaker 1: tanks and checkpoints to imprison the residence of Ferguson, I 346 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: was reminded of life in the West Bank, where I 347 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: saw the Israeli military used the same tactics of repression. 348 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: Our common goal it's to live in peace and to 349 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: not fear our children's lives when they are walking down 350 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: the street. That same summer, at the beginning of the 351 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter, Israel launched yet another military assault in Gaza, 352 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: killing more than two d two thousand and two hundred Palestinians, 353 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: including five hundred children, and people like Angela Davis have 354 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: highlighted the links between Israel's widespread use of detention imprisonment 355 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: against Palestinian the way it evokes the same kind of 356 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: mass incarceration black people United States experience. Um companies like 357 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: GFRS profit off the racist mass incarceration of both African 358 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: Americans the United States and Palestinians and Palestine. H G 359 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: Forest describes itself as the world leading provider and security 360 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 1: solutions and provide security services for over forty embassies around 361 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: the world. They've supplied security equipment and services and maintenance 362 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: for use to Israeli prisons, checkpoints and settlements of the 363 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: West Bank, including the highly controversial Israeli West Bank Barrier. 364 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: In October two thousand ten, three G four est guards 365 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: restrained and held down forty six year old and Golden 366 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: Deporti Jimmy Mumbenga on departing British Airways Flight seventy seven. 367 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: This is a Heathrow Airport. Security guards kept them restraining 368 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: the seat as he began shouting and seeking to resist 369 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: this deportation. Later, the guards were accused of forcing Mbenga's 370 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: head down as he sat handcuffed from behind for thirty 371 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: six minutes. The restraint technique is UH. The restraint technique 372 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: used is known as carpet karaoke and it's known to 373 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: create risk of asphyxia. Mumbenga was pronounced dead later that 374 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: evening in Hillington Hospital. So In October two thousand thirteen, 375 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: the BBC report allegations of prisoners being tortured at Mangwang 376 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: Prison in South Africa. The BBC sided research from which 377 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: Justice Project at was University in Johannesburg, which claimed that 378 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: dozens of the nearly three thousand inmates of the G 379 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: four prison I've been portrayed using electro shock and forced injections. 380 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: And then this is a fucking crazy twist um. In 381 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: June two th sixteen, Chief Ors employee or Omar mateen Um, 382 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: via the u S subsidiary G Forrest of Care Solutions, 383 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: was identified the perpetrator of the two thousand sixteen or 384 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: Lando nightclub shooting, the second deadliest mass shooting in US history, which, okay, 385 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: the others. The other instances highlight the way that like 386 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: this one company with global reach is perpetrating similar kinds 387 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: of violence on people of color in countries all over 388 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: the world, whether it's in Palestine, whether it's in the 389 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: United Kingdom, whether it's in South Africa, whether it's um 390 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: in there's another incident that happened, I think it was 391 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, Florida. Um And then the way that these 392 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: people are trained in violence that ends up eking out 393 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: into the way they deal with people in the their 394 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: day to day life. So this guy who worked for 395 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: g Fors goes on to fucking splatter fifty LGBTQ people 396 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: in a nightclub because on his day job, he's a 397 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: part of the system that's killing people. All of that 398 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: humanize people all over the world. So all around the world, 399 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: this company is making money off incarcerations and sometimes torturing 400 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: and killing people of color, and it is part of 401 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: the Black Liberation of Palestine solidarity movement involves understanding these 402 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: global systems of capital and power, how they're used against 403 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: people of color in different countries, and how liberation for 404 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: us all involves taking these systems down. Yeah, if you 405 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: take down, you take down for us. That's Palestinian liberation. 406 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: Its liberation for the people in South Africa. That's liberation 407 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: for the young folks in Jackson and Ville, Florida that 408 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: are that are in child detention facilities like that's that's 409 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: that's kind of the link that people in the Black 410 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: Lives Matter movement and the you know, in the Palestina 411 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: Palestinian liberation movements are coming to see these days. Well, 412 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: one thing I think it is really beautiful is that 413 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: the way that under this bombardment, under the suppression, under 414 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: the living in this open air prison, the people of 415 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: Palestine have shown up for the Black Lives Matter movement, 416 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: perhaps and in a way that I don't think was 417 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: reciprocated until recently. So with the acquittal of George Zimmerman 418 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: in the case of Trade Bon Martin's murder, because it 419 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,719 Speaker 1: sparked outrage and demonstrations all over the United States and 420 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: all over the world, Palestinians took to the streets and 421 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: circulated pictures of themselves holding signs that are at Palestinians 422 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: stand with those who mourned trade on Martin's death. We 423 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: know what it feels like to lose level ones and 424 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: watch the murderers of aid justice. So they were out 425 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: there in the streets for US way before, honestly, way before. 426 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: I think like there was a mass movement in the 427 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: United States here reciprocating that support. Circling back to the 428 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: story of Jabrielle Robinson and the Atlanta Police. Here in 429 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: Georgia there exists a unique relationship between the military and 430 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: police oppression experienced by the Palestinians and the police violence 431 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: in which black Georgians are subjective. We returned to considering 432 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: the Gilley Program, the law enforcement exchange between police officers 433 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: in Georgia and law enforcement officials in Israel to like 434 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: learn tactics from n HL there. So it started in 435 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: preparations to secure UH the Olympic Games in Atlanta, go 436 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: to State University and the law enforcement community established the 437 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: Georgia International Law Enforcement Exchange GILLY. The program UM was 438 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: given three objectives. To enhance inter agency cooperation between the 439 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: State of Georgia law enforcement agencies and the police for 440 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: the Force of Israel of the State of Israel. To 441 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: offer an educational professional programmed to senior is Really law 442 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: enforcement officials in Georgia. To offer an educational professional program 443 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: for senior Israeli law enforcement officials primarily in the areas 444 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: of counter terrorism and drug interdiction. So effectively, these motherfucker's 445 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: just learning fund up shop from each other. Going over 446 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: to Zerio, learn how to prut a lot of people, 447 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: fun people up bringing back to Georgia. Shoot Jibral Johnson 448 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: twice in the back as he is walking away. When 449 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: I lived in Africa, UM Cameroon specifically, there was definitely 450 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: like a contingent of some Israeli military that we're trading 451 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: the Cameroonian military. They exported their tactics and and when hardware, 452 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, all of the world. So GILLY, with the 453 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: Israeli law enforcement as their primary exchange partners, teachers police 454 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: officials the tactics of military militarized police forces that treat 455 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: communities as enemies. For example, GILLY has thought that officers 456 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: should inspire fear by racking their firearms when they hosted them, 457 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: flash their vehicles blue lights when patrolling neighborhoods, and limit 458 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: free speech by targeting incitement to quote unquote. So in 459 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: addition to the abuses we've seen by global companies like GFRS, 460 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: there's programs like GILLY that like literally give opportunity for 461 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: these motherfucker's to like learn the worst of each other 462 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: ship and bring it back to wherever they live. But 463 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: in the spirit of Palestinians solidarity, this week we're gonna 464 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: be checking out some tracks by some Palestinian hip hop artists. 465 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what we what you guy for us this week? Mac? Alright? 466 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: So first up, we got the group Damn or e 467 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: a M. They are founded in by brothers Tamer and 468 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: Chanel Nafar and their friend Ma Dudjeri. I think that 469 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: that's not how you pronounce it, I assure you. Um. 470 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: Their songs are largely about racism and poverty. It's protests 471 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: driven stuff um, centering around the fight against depression, Israeli occupation, drugs, 472 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: and the fight for women's rights. So let's check out there. 473 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: What was their first breakthrough single almost fifteen years ago. 474 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: It's a song called min Ira mean Irabi or who is? 475 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: Who's the terrorists? Me it happy? I'm not happy happy 476 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: one blady me it happy and happy bl So they 477 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: talk about how like, oh, you're the witness, you're the 478 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: lawyer and the judge, like you control every arm of 479 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 1: the of the judicial system. So of course you're like, 480 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: you know what what justice can't exist for me if 481 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: like the folks that have already decided on the terrorists, 482 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,959 Speaker 1: the one controlling every aspect of my judgment in sentencing. 483 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there, it's it's it's it's an exclamation 484 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: of the underlying sources of aggression, of housing aggression, like well, 485 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: of course I ended up quote unquote terrorists, like you 486 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: buried my parents under rubble. Uh, you know, like what, 487 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what else do you think I'm supposed 488 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: to do? I like that hooked the reframe who's the 489 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: terrorists and my terrorists? Who's the terrist? That's actually pretty yeah, 490 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: it is. It is fine. It definitely like the instrumental 491 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: it's got that um like it's either like a single 492 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: you know, single individual key sort of piano riff sample, 493 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: which is like really reminiscent of like that early Immortal 494 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: technique or of Jedi mind tricks sort of style where 495 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: it's like it's like that early two thousand's political rap beat. 496 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: Like pretty much, you know, it's pretty understand it and 497 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: it just lets the lyrics do all the talking. Yeah beautiful, 498 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Now that was flying um And now we're 499 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: gonna switch it up because you know, Damn is probably 500 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: uh the premier Palestinian rap groups. So they've been around 501 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: for a while now. So you know, we're going back 502 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: to the early two thousands, so we're gonna flash forward 503 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: in time and check out something that's a bit new 504 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: from them. Um this song I could not this O. 505 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: This doesnt have the translation in it. This is their 506 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: song the Milder at looking and it sounds like some 507 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: missy ellie. It like I just noticed a parallel, so 508 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: we said, should I pay off my debts or fight 509 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: the system? Reminds me of that line from the Vince 510 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: Staples song. Um, it's caught between my conscious and the 511 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: skin that's on my body. Man, I need to fight 512 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: the power, but I need that new Ferrari like like 513 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: same ship, the same ship. We also want the same thing, 514 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: all right, I just stopped it. Okay. Yeah. So it's 515 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: like it's sort of like a I don't even want 516 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: to say it's like a clubby Joint, but it's definitely 517 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: like a lot more accessible, like if the first Joint 518 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: was kind of like their underground early two thousand's sort 519 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: of beggar. This is a very very modern but still 520 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: in keeping with what they do, but it's very like 521 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: made for for mainstream consumption. Yeah, this if this ship 522 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: is what's this If you're gonna go throw rocks at 523 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: the I d F. This is this is the ship 524 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: you put on to get hyped up exactly. Um, It's 525 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: it's like, uh, you know, they're they're talking about the 526 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: powers that be trying to keep us separated and not 527 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: have us unify, you know, unify like we're talking about 528 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: in this episode. But there's a one line that stood out. 529 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: I like that. It was, you know, they spend billions 530 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: of dollars to keep us separated. That the thing. Yeah, 531 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: that's a direct indictment of the infusion of of dollars, 532 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: billions of dollars a military aid to uphold this our 533 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: part apartheid regime. When we were listening to it, I 534 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: was mentioning that it gave me Missy Elliott vibes. The 535 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: instrumental was very The instrumental sounded like if you went 536 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: on YouTube and found like Timberland type beat. Yeah, one 537 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: of those you know, not the disrespect. It just sounded 538 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: very Timberland influence, but that that era of Timberland, you 539 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And and they were rocking at 540 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: The video also is dope, but it starts off with 541 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: all three of the members heads on the ground. Yeah yeah, yeah, 542 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: with boots on top of it, sort of like they're 543 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: in an interrogation rooms fresh moves with some strobe lights 544 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: going on. Later on in this yeah yeah, they had 545 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: that b boy be girl vibe with the dancers. Yeah, no, 546 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: it was that was really fresh and that was nineteen too, 547 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, like you just you just heard Mariah 548 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: since she's putting that in her Spotify playlist, so that 549 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: ship is certain. We don't we don't normally do it, 550 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: but that should have certified waiting on reparations fresh. So 551 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: for this last track, we're gonna go to a English 552 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: speaking rapper, Palestinian Canadian rapper who I first heard of 553 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 1: him from a pretty popping freestyle that he did on 554 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: some radio thing that was a YouTube clip for a while. 555 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: But this is the rapper Belly. He's also a singer 556 00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: and songwriter as well. But this is his track history 557 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: of Violence. Let what has been to Palestinaian right? Flipping 558 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: these freedom of all aimed just to religion life, just 559 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: shut them. I like that. He's like, I'm not trying 560 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: to say that we're perfect, you know, like he had 561 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, amidst that, like, yo, yeah, we kind of 562 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, there's been some fun up ship, but there's 563 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: a history of violence. You gotta understand the whole like 564 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: where all of this began, like who did what, to 565 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: whom win and to what degree? Which again coming back 566 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 1: to that asymmetricality I was talking about at the top, 567 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: um in order to like understand how things became the 568 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: way that they are. That was fresh. You know, it 569 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: started off kind of wobbly for me personally as far 570 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: as like the styles I like, but he picked it up, 571 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: especially with that second verse. He um. One of the 572 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: things that I really appreciated him mentioning was the second 573 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: or third class apartheid level living conditions the Palestinians have 574 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: to live in, not not having the proper municipalities and 575 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: running water or you know what I mean, and and 576 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Um. Yeah, now that was I'm still 577 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: kind of taken aback. That was. I'd recommend y'all go 578 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: listen to that full song that was and it's like 579 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: it's like couching a bit of like direct material historical context, 580 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: but like if you strip that out. It sounds like 581 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: it could have been written in Compton. It sounds like 582 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 1: it could have been written in It sounds I could 583 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: have been written in Chicago, given that he's like an 584 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: actual songwriter, like he he writes for other people and 585 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: stuff too. I kind of the sense that I got 586 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: from it. I have no idea because I'm not in 587 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: his head, but the sense that I got from it 588 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: is that was the intent of that song was to 589 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: wrap about it in a way that it could just 590 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: be like he was rapping about Compton or rapping about 591 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 1: any hood that we you know what I mean that 592 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: that the people could recognize here in the US, but rapping, 593 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: but what like the he's actually talking about his Palestine, 594 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: And I think that is a cool concept to the instrumental. 595 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: The instrumental was it it left some to be desired. Um, 596 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: not that it was bad, but you know, it's just 597 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: kind of like you know, yes, I mean yeah. But 598 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 1: then again, it's a testament to Belly because his lyrics, 599 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: like his his pen game was so strong. As with 600 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: um the first Damn song we listened to, like the 601 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: Beata's understated in order for the songwriting to shine. I 602 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: felt like you're listening very intently to the words, because 603 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: you're not like bopping your head that hard to the 604 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: eight O waits there anything? And I dig how like 605 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: his uh. I felt like the more that the song 606 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: went on, the more complex I guess he started to rhyme, 607 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It started off very basic, 608 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: which for me was like, okay, so that's that's the 609 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: sort of rapper that he does, you know what I mean. 610 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: And it's like as you got into the middle of 611 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: the first verse, he started picking it up. In the 612 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: second verse, he just started going in like oh, oh okay, 613 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: Like yeah, so if the song covers a lot of fronts, 614 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: it's it's got really good rapping, and you know, the 615 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: subject matter and how he's going about discussing it is 616 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: a pretty fresh take. Yeah. Well that's all we got 617 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: for this week. Please go check out these artists and 618 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: support UM as well as you know, advocate for the 619 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: dismantling of the military industrial complex in the person industrial 620 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: complex worldwide. Preach Preach my name is Dope Knife. Wait 621 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. 622 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: How the hell am I like trying to close the 623 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: shift off, Like I'm just trying to like end ship 624 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: like niggas ain't wrapped. I'm just trying to like like, 625 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, we can't even do it like that. 626 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, y'all, Like, how could I forget a my 627 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: homie Joel? Can we can we get an instrumental? Please? Uh? 628 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: I was gonna start, yo, yo, yo yo. I don't 629 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,280 Speaker 1: gotta truly to spit when it comes to written versus. 630 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: I am truly legit on another different curve in school 631 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: with you, Brick, because when I dropped, give the urge, 632 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: kick a dude, and the ship proven it this bit 633 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: of scene words, and then I did. I stacked my 634 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: brain and that means work, and I persist. I mixed 635 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: the red and the green herb, and I quit, come 636 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: off the head with a mean verse and let it rip. 637 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: I can't rip because I lost my place, danger, danger 638 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: of loss of space, and I've lost some pace. I 639 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: looked greater, quit awesome, tick. That's what I can do it, 640 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: yo yo. My name's Dope Knife Franca, and we are 641 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: waiting on reparations. See you next week, See you next week. 642 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: Listen to Waiting on Reparations on the I Heart Radio app, 643 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts m h 644 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: m hm