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Speaker 1: Babylon was stressful, but I think it had a reason

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Speaker 1: I think it was just having seen those back to back,

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Speaker 1: before movies. Books, those used to stories down and tell

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Speaker 1: three of Hans Christian Anderson who knew Thanks again to

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Speaker 1: our VID for suggesting that we look into Hans Charles Dickens.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you knew this was going to spin out

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Speaker 1: But I can think that we've looked at so far.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Yeah, he's an interesting guy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: so far we talked about Hans Christian Anderson and his

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Speaker 1: challenging love life. I mean, he fell for men and

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Speaker 1: And this guy also was an absolutely unhinged masturbator. He

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Speaker 1: on the other hand, it did drive a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that Anderson loved in his own way, we're never

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Speaker 1: We also are going to talk about some famous French

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Speaker 1: to discuss how latent life he found himself at most

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I said, we jump right into this story

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Speaker 1: because there's just so much to tell. Let's go, hey

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Speaker 1: just about ridiculous relationships, a love. It might be any

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Speaker 1: Glance Ridiculous Roles a production of I Heart Radio? Okay, all,

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Speaker 1: before we get into the story today, first things first,

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Speaker 1: we have made some egregious mistakes during our Hans Christian

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Speaker 1: great podcast. As always, we really that up. Also, thank

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Speaker 1: It's at least we've learned a little geography. Today we

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Speaker 1: Hans Christian Anderson wrote a letter to a friend of his,

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Speaker 1: He was a lifelong traveler. He was a collector of stories.

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Speaker 1: For example, Uh, we all know Mount Vesuvius, the Italian

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Speaker 1: But even our Mount Vesuvius pales in comparisons Mount Vesuvius experience. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: Hans goes on to apologize for being curt with Henrick

425
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: the night before because he wasn't feeling well, and he

426
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: ends the letter quote, you the person I often believe

427
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: that I would give up my life board talk to me.

428
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: You often say yes, that is what I wished to do,

429
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: But I, lonely, as always, must do this evening. Henrick

430
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: wrote back that never before in his life had he

431
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: quote opened my whole, undivided heart anyone as I have

432
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: to you, And he asks Hans once quote to have

433
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: absolute faith in me and always take my part. Now

434
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: it's come up in our show before that. You know,

435
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: affectionate letters between men, especially in this time period, can

436
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: be really easily misconstrued by today's standards. Men would use

437
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: very flowery language writing expressing their love for each other

438
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: women too. Honestly, that's very passionate and it is. It

439
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: was very romantic in a way, even if the relationship

440
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: is totally platonic and not physical in any way. To

441
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: be like you, you know, some two Parisian guys right

442
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: to each other. Oh, you are my best friend in

443
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: the whole world. You're so important to me. I love

444
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: you more than anyone I've ever loved. I want to

445
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 1: put my head between your legs. And I was like, yeah,

446
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: they're friends. They were really really good friends. I mean,

447
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: but they're really they're really were people who wrote like

448
00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: that and didn't mean anything like that, like that very much.

449
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: I love you your like I have your kiss on

450
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: my lips. I think of it every day or something.

451
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: But it's like, it's not about that, you know, it's

452
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: just like and then it's it kind of makes me

453
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: sad a little, like I wish that men today felt

454
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: like they had the permission to be that intimate with

455
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: one another. Obviously we have a loneliness problem, and at

456
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: least American men that I think, you know, it's just

457
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: too bad that you couldn't write that now without someone thinking, oh,

458
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: you want to you want me to jump in them pants? Man,

459
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: if somebody ever wrote to me in a letter that

460
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: they want my kiss on their lips, all right? So anyway,

461
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: that is, that is a common and very easy trap

462
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: to fall into. I think when you're looking at historic

463
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: relationships and you're trying to find like that hidden like, oh,

464
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: is there real feelings here, you know, of romance or not.

465
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: So that might be confusing to us today, but it

466
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: also might have been just just confusing for our friend,

467
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: poor Hans Christian Anderson, because he seemed to have a

468
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: real problem with how he and Henrick felt for each

469
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: other over time. And you know, we know he had

470
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: this problem with Edwards letters too. Yeah. Now, Hanss calendar

471
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: really kind of paints a picture here for us, and

472
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: it's cited in YenS Anderson's biography. In December, Hans makes

473
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: small notes like Henrick lovable or h trusting, sweet little notes,

474
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: and then just after Christmas, he wrote in his calendar

475
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: letter from my beloved Henrick. A few days later spoke

476
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: sensibly with h who promised me everything. And then in

477
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: late January he wrote every day at Hendricks, and then

478
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: on March eleven he wrote, Henrick was here tonight, loving

479
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: and kind. Then a week later, March eighteenth, he wrote,

480
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: Henrick suffering from jealousy. Then six weeks pass and on

481
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: April Henrick indifferent to me. Then may SWO have not

482
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: seen Hendrick for two days. That's not kind of him.

483
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: Then May six I went to see him. He was

484
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: not as he was before. Is love over and departed

485
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: at seven in the evening. Henrik saw me out. And

486
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: during all this Yen's writes Hans is February diary is

487
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: loaded with little plus signs more than usual. And in

488
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: March and April, Hans started getting a type of eggs

489
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: ema and rash, which the biographer calls psycho somatic. So

490
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: kind of self inflicted stressed out, Hans wrote in his

491
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: diary things like penis tender, penis sick, and penis very bad,

492
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: which I guess means it hurts. I thought when I

493
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: originally saw that, I was like my penis really acted

494
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: After misbehaved. Hans knew that he just had to get

495
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: away from Henrick. His dick could not handle it anymore,

496
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: so he took his vener to get some schnitzel and

497
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: spend the whole long, beautiful summer in Germany. And this

498
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: is where he met the hereditary Grand Duke of Weimar,

499
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: Carl Alexander von sased Weimar Eisenach. Amazing name, so long

500
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: Now Anderson and the Grand Duke had another deep and

501
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: intense emotional relationship. But maybe finally, this one was actually

502
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: just more than just a platonic couple of ros who

503
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: spoke in misleading ways to each other, because Anderson once

504
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: wrote quote, the hereditary Grand Duke walked arm in arm

505
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: with me across the courtyard of the castle to my room,

506
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: kissed me lovingly, asked me always to love him though

507
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: he was just an ordinary person, asked me to stay

508
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: with him for this winter. Fell asleep with the melancholy

509
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: happy feeling that I was the guest of this strange

510
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: prince at his castle and loved by him. It is

511
00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: like a fairy tale. Ah, But like was it? Maybe

512
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: a fairy tale? You know? He wrote this in his diary,

513
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: But a lot of scholars don't really trust a lot

514
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: of Anderson's own accounts of his life, Like his autobiography

515
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: is literally called the fairy Tale of My Life? So

516
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: is he dressing this up? Is he creating this prince? Like?

517
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: You know? His biographer writes that he makes himself sound

518
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: like one of the princesses from his fairy tales, that this,

519
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, this prince, this duke came in and just

520
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: swept him off his feet and carried him away and

521
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: kissed him and said stay with me for the winter.

522
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: They were closed, Yeah, but that you kind of want

523
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: to take it with a grain salt, I see. But

524
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: they did exchange loving letters often. This was a tough

525
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: point in history for them as well, because revolutions were

526
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: breaking out in Germany in the late eighteen forties and

527
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: war was brewing between Germany and Denmark. They worked hard

528
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: to remain friends, and the Grand Duke even wrote to

529
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: Hans Christian Andersen and sort of posed the question quote,

530
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: did we love each other because of our political ideas?

531
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: But he kind of answers himself and says, quote, no,

532
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: truly not, but because of the sympathy of our souls,

533
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: of our hearts, our imagination. It was these things which

534
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: attracted us to each other, which bound us together, and

535
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: God willing will also keep us together in the future.

536
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: Promise me that the opinions and views of the present

537
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: shall never never influence our friendship, which is a sweet

538
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: thing to say, but also like, well, you're the you're

539
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: the grand Duke, you know, like you're basically saying, promised

540
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: me that your opinions and views of the politics I'm

541
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: directly involved with aren't ever going to bother you a

542
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: little different than like a regular citizen of Germany being like,

543
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever happens between our countries, I hope we

544
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: can stay friends. You're like, you have some power in

545
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: the situation about what happens between these countries. It's a

546
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: little harder to separate you from those politics. And Anderson

547
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: was really heartbroken by this conflict. I mean, he was

548
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: really happy to hear Carl say this to him in

549
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: this letter. But he also couldn't help pointing out some

550
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: of the terrible things that were going on with this war,

551
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: like German newspapers, for example, were saying patently unshrew things

552
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: about Denmark and the Danes, and so when Anderson wrote

553
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: about these things in his letters. Carl just wouldn't respond

554
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: to them in his replies, just didn't bring it up.

555
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: And when the Grand Duke got directly involved with the

556
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: war by commanding troops in this disputed territory between the

557
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: two nations, Anderson was really hurt by this. He was

558
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: kind of shocked that he got so directly involved. The

559
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: Hans wrote back to his old buddy Edward Collins, remember

560
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: him from part one, and he said he'd received a

561
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: letter from the Grand Duke saying, hey, buddy, I'm really

562
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: sorry I haven't heard from you in months. Anderson's like, well,

563
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: but you've been off fighting this war. I haven't heard

564
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: from you. And Anderson wrote that Carl said he quote

565
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: had thought politics would have nothing to do with our friendship,

566
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: and I would be very sorry if i'd been to

567
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: seeved in you. What. Yeah, the Grand Duke here is saying, wow,

568
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: you know you're so upset about this war. But I

569
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: thought we promised that we wouldn't let politics get in

570
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: our way. I guess I was mistaken about you, which

571
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: is such a twisted thing to say, like, oh gee,

572
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: I thought you didn't care about that stuff. But maybe

573
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: I was wrong about you. Like that's so fucked up

574
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: for him to treat haunts like that, right, and again

575
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: because it's like, well, you have some say on this,

576
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 1: like I'm writing to my friend who should actually do

577
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: something about this horrible propaganda against Denmark, but you're not.

578
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: And then you're telling me to just like shove it,

579
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: shove it somewhere so you could still be friends and

580
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: you have no consequences for actions Like that's not really

581
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: very fair. Yeah, and wow, I you to me, Yeah,

582
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: when I'm the one who said promised me that you

583
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: know this will never come between us. Yeah. He just

584
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: wanted permission to see whatever he wanted to do and

585
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: not have to again not suffer any consequences. So unsurprisingly,

586
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: their relationship kind of fell apart after that, and the

587
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: letters eventually stopped in eighteen sixty two when a Second

588
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: War broke out. Anderson did not hear from Carl Alexander

589
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: again until eighteen seventy four, when Carl heard that Anderson

590
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: was dying and decided to try to reconnect. So it

591
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: really took a long time for this wound to heal.

592
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: But back in eighteen sixty six, just a few years

593
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: after the Second War broke out, with Germany, Anderson took

594
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: another trip through western Europe because he felt unsafe and

595
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: uneasy at home, so he decided to visit some friends

596
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: in Spain. But on his way home, he stopped back

597
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: in Paris and he ended up in the last place

598
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: you'd expect him, a brothel. And we will hear about

599
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: that little trip right after this little trip to the commercials.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. So the famed authors in

601
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: Paris weren't the only ones that were trying to get

602
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: Hans Christian Anderson laid because during a three month trip

603
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: to Portugal in eighteen sixty six, he visited a friend

604
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: named Jose O'Neil in CenTra. Now CenTra was made famous

605
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: as a romantic pilgrimage destination after Lord Byron himself passed

606
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: through in the eighteenth century. At the time, Byron had

607
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: been staying in Lisbon, but he basically got chased out

608
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: by the husbands of a few women that he was

609
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: sleeping with. So he was on the run and he

610
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: fled to CenTra, and he just ended up falling in

611
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: love with this city, and he called it glorious Eden

612
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: in one of his poems. And this just set off

613
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: like a whole tourism campaign for CenTra. So shortly after

614
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: Hans Christian Anderson arrived some hundred years later, Jose, his host,

615
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: told him, quote, I suppose you'll also want to screw

616
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: and make the acquaintance of young people who screw everybody.

617
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it's like that. So you're here, I'm

618
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: imagining you're gonna to go have sex with the locals.

619
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: That's what people do when they're in Cintra. Jose just

620
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: kept pestoring Anderson to quote fulfill his obligations as a

621
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: modern tourist, and you know, go get busy. I don't understand.

622
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: We have an entire economy around that. Yes, how dare

623
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: you not take part? But Anderson said he quote had

624
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: not wished to galivant around like an Englishman. Instead, every

625
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: day he took a long hike up a steep road

626
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: to palasticod Pina, which is Cintra's main landmark. This was

627
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: a beautiful fairy tale style castle painted in bright primary colors.

628
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: You can you can see why Hans is interested. I'm interested.

629
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm interested. It looks gorgeous like We immediately started planning

630
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: a trip to Portugal and Spain. If you're give us

631
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: an hollar, we will come stay on your couch. We

632
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:57,479
Speaker 1: might have to work forward every day. Jose bugged him, like, hey,

633
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: should you be all doing some thing else while you're here?

634
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: Someone else, you know which I don't know if our

635
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: CenTra hosts will say the same thing. Jose asked Hans, well,

636
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: what are you going to say back home in Denmark

637
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: when people ask you whether you saw anything in CenTra

638
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: besides this palace, to which Anderson replied, quote, I'll say no,

639
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: which I like. In Denmark, we say what we mean.

640
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: But he loved CenTra. He stayed as long as he could,

641
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: particularly because he was worried about this second war with

642
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: Germany back home. Oh, nobody likes the second war with Germany.

643
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: It's never it's never good. The first war with Germany

644
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: is always bad enough. The second I know, like, we

645
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: got to do this. So we've talked a lot about

646
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: how Hans Christian Anderson is not only seemingly kind of

647
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: terrified of sex, but it sounds like he's outright disgusted

648
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: by it. Whether this is religious or personal or what

649
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: his deal is, we're not really sure, but he still

650
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: seems really fascinated by it. And at times it feels

651
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: like he's considering sex like in the same way that

652
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: somebody might stand on the edge of a cliff and

653
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: peer over the precipice, like daring yourself to plunge into eternity. Right.

654
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: Remember we mentioned earlier Hans himself wrote about his quote

655
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: double nature, fear of danger and the desire to try it. Okay,

656
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: right there, right, And so maybe sex was part of that.

657
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 1: I have this I want to try it, but it's

658
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: scary to me. I don't want to try it, so

659
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: I just want to get close to it and then

660
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: back away. I wonder too, if he's like seeing all

661
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: these people dedicate a lot of their time and energy

662
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: to having sex or finding sex or paying for it

663
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, and he's like, if I do it once,

664
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: do you just like go off a deep end and

665
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: all you care about? Or like maybe he was a

666
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: little concerned about the effect it has on you to

667
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: have done it. It could be or I'm thinking about

668
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: people like Tesla, And we've heard of other people, especially

669
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: in the more modern tech world, not like today. I

670
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: don't know maybe to but but some of the inventors

671
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: we've heard of in the past, who who legitimately thought like, oh,

672
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: sex and romance just gets in the way of my

673
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: my genius and my ingenuity, and I need to stay

674
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: away from that otherwise I won't put out the things

675
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: I do. And I mean, I don't know. Maybe they're right,

676
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: Maybe they if they had fallen in love and had

677
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of eggs, they would have not done the

678
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: things they did. But maybe Hugo is the exception that

679
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: proves the role. He was like, I still got a

680
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: lot dumb. I don't know what you are doing. It's

681
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: called multie. So this sort of fear of sex and

682
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: wanting to get close but not too close to it

683
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: might be why. In eighteen sixty six, on his way

684
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: home from Portugals, Christian Andersen stopped for a brief twenty

685
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: four hour visit in Paris, and he really challenged himself

686
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: there because he himself once called Paris quote the most

687
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: lustful city under the sun in a letter, and he

688
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: had even more fun things to say in a poem

689
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: that he wrote. So let's go down to poetry corner

690
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: and here Hans Christian Andersen's take on Paris rushing, shifting, fatigueing,

691
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: jumble all around me. I am in Paris. Every day

692
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: here is like a carnival day, a travesty of a

693
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: new paradise. Whitewashed graves with painted roses, human souls and

694
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: swaying reads dance around me, smiling, lowering testify the moment

695
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: that is life. The fig leaf has gone along with

696
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: all that is ordinary in humankind. I am thinking of Babylon.

697
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: Eden's tree of Knowledge now grows in Babylon. Wow, sin city.

698
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm talking about Babylon and Eden's tree

699
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: of Knowledge. He's like, this is a This is a

700
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: city of intellectualism, right, the city of culture and art.

701
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: And also you know knowledge is a sin, right, so

702
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: there's all this kind of sin creeping in around it. Yeah,

703
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: I wonder. I always find that so strange to consider

704
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: knowledge a sin. But that, I guess is the story

705
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: of the Garden of Eden, right, so interesting. Sometimes I'm like,

706
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: now they're right, we'd be better off if we were dumb.

707
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean, ignorance is bliss. So while Hans was in

708
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: town in Paris, he took a brief meeting with his

709
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: old buddy Alexander Duma and his daughter, and then he

710
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: went to dinner by himself and had a few glasses

711
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: of wine. The Veno gave him the courage that O'Neill,

712
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: baal Zack and Duma could not, and Anderson decided to

713
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: go to the last place you'd expect him to visit,

714
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: a Parisian brothel. He wrote about this in his diary

715
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: on August sixty six, saying, quote, during this whole trip,

716
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: I've been urged to pay a visit to a prostitute.

717
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: No matter how tired I was, I decided to see

718
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: one of these kinds. I went to a house. A

719
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: woman came who was sold human flesh. Four pressitudes appeared

720
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: for me. The youngest was eighteen. I told her to stay.

721
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: She was wearing hardly anything more than a shift, and

722
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: I felt so sorry for her. I paid her five francs,

723
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: but didn't do anything. Just looked at that poor child,

724
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: who uncovered herself completely and seemed astonished that I merely

725
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: looked at her. Huh, few sold human flesh. He's really

726
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: bringing it, breaking it down to baree a translation thing?

727
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: Or is that just how he put it? I mean,

728
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: I think that's how he felt about it. To his literatey.

729
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: He was such a literal guy, like both in terms

730
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: of being a literary person, but also like he took

731
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: things as he saw them kind of, so I think

732
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: he was like, that's what's happening. But how weird that

733
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: he just went in paid this girl and just was like,

734
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit here and you can kind of

735
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: take a clothes off of you want, but we're not

736
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: going to do anything. But they talked well, and how

737
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: funny that how astonished she was that he's going to

738
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: pay her to just stand there little that was that

739
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: common thing. No, imagine the Victor hugoes that are usually

740
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: coming in there, like last guy exhausted me, I need

741
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: some stamina. You just want to talk, my god? Okay

742
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: about well after this, Anderson headed home, but there was

743
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: something different. Now. It was the closest that he had ever,

744
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, physically been to having sex with someone. He

745
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: wrote in his diary, quote many Parisian thoughts. It's good

746
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: that I'm leaving at once. The flesh is weak, Parisian thoughts.

747
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna call it. Next time I get

748
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: all hot and bothered Parisians they get in here, Oh

749
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: my goodness. But yeah, I think that's kind of I mean, again,

750
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: you see him on the precipice. Here, this fearful thing.

751
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 1: The flesh is weak. I'm so glad that I'm leaving

752
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: right away, or God, something might happen, which is exactly

753
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: what I don't want to happen. But the next year,

754
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty seven, he returned. Officially, he was in

755
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: town to see the World's Fair, which was called for

756
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: by Napoleon the third, our friend, uh, and he was

757
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: marking the beginning of the Second French Empire. But as

758
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: the biographer ends says, unofficially he was going to test

759
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: himself further and maybe try and dip more than a

760
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: toe into the murky waters of his h Parisian thoughts.

761
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: And over at twelve month period, Anderson went to Paris

762
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: three more times, and in those he visited four brothels.

763
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: So did he go through with it well? He wrote

764
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: in his diary in May of eighteen sixty seven, quote,

765
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: after dinner, I walked up and down in concupiscence. Then

766
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: suddenly went into a human shop. One woman was plastered

767
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: with powder, the second ordinary, the third quite a lady.

768
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: I spoke to her, paid her twelve francs, and left

769
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: without having sin. Indeed, but certainly in my thoughts. She

770
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: asked me to come back, said I was very innocent

771
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: for a gentleman. I was so relieved and happy when

772
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: I exited from that house. Man the same thing again,

773
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: or just like, oh thank god I got out of there.

774
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: When I did, I almost had zech woman, I know,

775
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: and human shop, human shop. I'm saying, like, bro, get

776
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: a little flowery with it. Talk you're a writer. These

777
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: little judge too. Is like first woman was plastered in powder,

778
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: the second was ordinary, but the third was quite a lady,

779
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: I know. And it's like that he wanted her because

780
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: she was a lady, so she was a little better.

781
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: When the younger, the eighteen year old, he felt that

782
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: she was maybe more innocent or something like. He definitely

783
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: got his own ideas about what these women are like

784
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: in their private lives. See, all of his visits were

785
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: basically like this. He would slip into one of these

786
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: human shops, pay for time with a woman, talk to her,

787
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: and then leave and that was it. And each time

788
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: they were all surprised and delighted by his kindness. They

789
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: all tried to get him into it, but he always

790
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: just ran home to his diary and marked a plus sign.

791
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: He wrote quote many would call me a coward? Is

792
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: that what I am? But YenS writes that maybe this

793
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: wasn't just about challenging himself and putting his chastisy to

794
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: the test, because he wrote about the women that he

795
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: spoke to in these brothels and all the details that

796
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: they gave him about their lives. And remember we talked

797
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: about this. Anderson loved traveling and meeting people and hearing

798
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: their stories, hearing local folk tales, hearing just like what

799
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: someone was like in their day to day life, and

800
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: he often incorporated that into his own stories. Yends references

801
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: a fairy tale that Anderson wrote called Auntie Toothache. And

802
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: this story has a boy in it who has a

803
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: real talent for writing poetry, but he is discouraged from

804
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: doing so. So we remember that about his early life.

805
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: And the boy goes through garbage bins to collect little

806
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 1: scraps of paper that people have written on and thrown out,

807
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: and the voice starts piecing their lives together and discovers

808
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: all these random, intricate human experiences and he gets this

809
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: picture of a very diverse and fascinating world. YenS writes, quote,

810
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: we should understand Hans Christian Anderson as a traveler, his

811
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: prayer to the world was allow me to develop freely

812
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: in accordance with my own nature, and take me as

813
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: I am. That's so beautiful because everyone's prayer to the world,

814
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 1: I mean, and a lot of it. Yeah, or he's

815
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: just like, look, I'm I'm just me. I know I

816
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: don't do things the same way as you do. Take

817
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: it or leave it. I just I want us to

818
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: get along. I want us to be friendly with each other.

819
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: I want us to love each other. Maybe it's hard

820
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: to love me, but I'm just trying to collect as

821
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: much as I can in this world while I'm here, right.

822
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: And maybe that, like we said, maybe that turned him

823
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: away from sex a little bit because he's like, why

824
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: am I gonna waste my time with that when I

825
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 1: could be out doing all these like other passionate intimate

826
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: things with the whole wide array of people. And maybe

827
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: he thought it even ruined your objectivity about a person.

828
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe so. So I don't know. He was

829
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: just an interesting guy, he really. I can't decide if

830
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: he would have like identifies an asexual person today or not,

831
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: because it seems like he really felt a lot of

832
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: sexual energy he wanted that kind of release, he just

833
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: couldn't allow himself to do it for whatever reasons, whether

834
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: it was religious or physical or or whatever. I think

835
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: that's honest to me. That's the most important thing to

836
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: take out of this story, because I think that he

837
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: really lacked the language and the and the community to

838
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: describe or explore or understand his sexuality, right. And you know,

839
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: things were so much more rigid back than in terms

840
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: of what people thought of sex, and in some ways

841
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: they were less rigid to like, you go to Paris

842
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: and everybody was whatever. I mean, he described Harris as

843
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: Adam without his fig leaf. He was like, there's just

844
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: dicks wagging around everywhere you go. Um. But but you know,

845
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: but it does sort of speak to that sort of

846
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: how much rigidity around sexuality has evolved since then too,

847
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: now in terms of some of the more open conversations

848
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: we're having about how like I don't fit in a box,

849
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of people still don't fit in a box.

850
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: And that's why I think this is that's an important

851
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: part of this story, is that this isn't new. This

852
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: isn't because you know, Twitter came around and people are

853
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: pushing agendas and and trying to I don't know what

854
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: people think people are trying to do in terms of

855
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: breaking open sexuality into a larger conversation. But there's always

856
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: been a lot of people who don't fit the traditional

857
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: mold of their sexuality or how they want to experience

858
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: sex or intimacy or romance. This is not new. This

859
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: has always been the case, And there's been people like

860
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: Ella Gablus and Hans Christian Anderson all through his three

861
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: who just like, sure, maybe most people are totally comfortable

862
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: with the traditional way that we've always done it, but

863
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with or weird about people who want

864
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: to experience that differently. No, I would say the only

865
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: problem with the way we talk about it today is

866
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: that we're so desperate for people to label themselves one

867
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: or the other um of anything. Yeah, I mean, and

868
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, you can see it being a little frustrating

869
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,959
Speaker 1: when you're like, okay, so are you buy or pan

870
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: or what's the difference? Like why I have to learn

871
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: all these things? And there's a million flags. I mean,

872
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: I can see why people get a little like, all right,

873
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: what's going on? But it's almost like, you know, it's

874
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: the it's sort of the other side of that coin.

875
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: It's like Anderson couldn't explore because there wasn't any conversation,

876
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: and now it's like you're exploring so much, but there's

877
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: still this desire to really be able to place you

878
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: into some neat little category so that I can understand

879
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: you and conceptualize your life for whatever reason that I

880
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: need to do that, and not not even a malicious thing,

881
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: just like trying to understand another person. But it's like,

882
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, the thing about a spectrum is that it's

883
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: weird and there's blurry parts, and I think sexuality is

884
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,959
Speaker 1: a spectrum and things blur together, and there's so much

885
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: that goes into a desire for sex and who you

886
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: want to have sex with and why and when where

887
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: you know. I like, it's uh, and it's very different

888
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: for each person. I think it's one of those things

889
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: that you could probably make a million, million, billion different

890
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 1: categories and you could still find someone doesn't fit into

891
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: single one of them absolutely, And I think that's sort

892
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: of what we're learning at the conversation is messy. I mean,

893
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: I see people within one sort of umbrella category of

894
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: sexuality or gender, and they're fighting with each other about

895
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: of course, you know how how that breaks down. And

896
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: I think for anyone to get angry about that is

897
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: silly because it is messy and there aren't a lot

898
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: of clean answers. And we're good. Then twenty years from

899
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: now people are going to think differently about it than

900
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: they do today. Um, hopefully in more open and interesting

901
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: ways and less judgmental. But but you're right, I mean,

902
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: it's it's still messy, um, and it's good that it's

903
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: just being talked about. I mean, we are living in

904
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: a conversation and is wacky, and you know, you could

905
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: just sit back and watch it happen and that's fine. Yeah,

906
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: most of you, most of us don't need to be

907
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: involved in that conversation. I'm just like what I'm saying. Yeah,

908
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, what how do I keep up with this?

909
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: Who are you? Wait? You can love this person, but

910
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: your title is that? Okay? Like, so what if I

911
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: get confused? Sorry? And if I get it wrong, let

912
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: me know. And I'm not here to sit here and

913
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: tell you you're wrong for telling me that. You know,

914
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: I don't care. Yeah exactly. There's a million ways to

915
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: live a life and there's really no wrong one. Unless

916
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: your life is wrapped up in misery and violence and degradation,

917
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: whether you're the victim or the perpetrator, you know what

918
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, that's kind of, in my opinion,

919
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: the only wrong way to be. And otherwise I really

920
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: don't care. I think the world is so weird and

921
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: big and has so much space and room for so much,

922
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: and it's so weird that we limit ourselves every moment

923
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: of every day. And again, I think it comes from

924
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: a real human thing of trying to understand each other

925
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: in the context of one another and where you fit

926
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: with me, and where I fit with you, and what

927
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: role I could play in your life. And that's very normal,

928
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's not something to be ashamed of. But

929
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: I think it's cool that we're kind of trying to like, oh,

930
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shake that off. But what does it matter

931
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: if if my soul cares about your soul, your essence,

932
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: your personality, the person you are inside, who cares about

933
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: the rapper? I don't know why I care about the rapper,

934
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: you know. So, I mean, I think it's nice to

935
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: be thinking about a little outside of that literal box

936
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 1: that our bodies are for our insides, you know, um,

937
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: and if you like a body, and no problem with that.

938
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: Plenty of bodies to enjoy. Speaking of enjoying bodies, I

939
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: was really thinking during Anderson's visit these brothels. I was

940
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: flashing back to a friend of mine who used to

941
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: be an exotic dancer. Right. She worked at a at

942
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: a local strip club and during the day mostly um,

943
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: she was like night times or bachelor parties and it's

944
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: awful and it's chaos, and but she said during the

945
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: day what she would get was rich guys would come in,

946
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: they drop a few hundred bucks on a v I

947
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: P room. They'd go in there and she'd you know,

948
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 1: she'd start dancing or whatever, and they're like, Nah, I'm

949
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: just gonna I'm just gonna talk about the day I

950
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: had or my home life or whatever. And she's like,

951
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: I'm doing more therapy here than I am stripping. How

952
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: many times, though, have we seen that with the with

953
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: the courtisan comes there, the concubines or stuff where they're like,

954
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: half the time, I'm not even trying to sleep with you.

955
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: I just need a sympathetic woman to listen to me.

956
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: And like, for whatever reason, if they're not finding it

957
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: in your wife or whatever, and who is you might

958
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: be a piece of ship to your wife and that's

959
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: why she don't listen to you. I don't know. She

960
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: might suck. I have no idea, but they've found this

961
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: other woman who, for whatever reason they could put that

962
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: stuff on, and maybe because she's getting paid, doesn't have

963
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: to care. So she's like, all right, great, I can

964
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: listen to that. You can dump all over me, and

965
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: I can leave that in the VI I p room

966
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: and head my ass onto my life and I'm not

967
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: weighed down by your stuff the way a wife or

968
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: someone who has to like live with your stuff every

969
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: day would be. I could see that being very therapeutic.

970
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: And maybe there's all I know a lot you know,

971
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: and again making wide assumptions, but I know there's sort

972
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: of an issue with men in our country going to therapy. Um,

973
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: so maybe that's what they're finding an outlet in that way.

974
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: They should just there should really be some kind of

975
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: crossover industry where therapists the sexy therapists instead of therapist

976
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: sex therapist, yeah, sexy therapist. So it's sex workers every

977
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: time you break there. I take the look. I know

978
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: quite a few sex workers who have their agree in psychology?

979
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: Hey why not? And what a study of human psychology?

980
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: And if we would legalize sex work in this country,

981
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: they could probably put both those skills to work and

982
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 1: really make some serious money if we If we added

983
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: you had sex work into any industry in this country,

984
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: and it will skyrocket. I don't know about food service,

985
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: but made service too, Like they got buffets at strip clubs.

986
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: People are you know what? And actually I think they

987
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: even had some drive through. They had a drive through

988
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: strip club during the pandemic. And I want to say, uh,

989
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: Seattle or Portland or somewhere up in the north. I

990
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: remember hearing about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I guess

991
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: there was a drive through strip not to drive through.

992
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: I was like, they're serving fries. I'm over here. That shake,

993
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: it's right there. It's all working out. The other thing

994
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to point out too. Back in his trip,

995
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: it's very briefly mentioned that he stopped to see Alexandra

996
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: Dumah the day before he went to the brothel for

997
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: his twenty four hours Harris, and I wonder if it

998
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: wasn't the same thing where he was like, oh, Alexander

999
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: will try to get me laid again and I'll come

1000
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: real close, you know. And that's what he was looking for.

1001
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: So I wonder if that was the purpose of that visit. Well,

1002
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: we know he couldn't ask Victor because Napoleon the Third

1003
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: was celebrating the Second French Empire, which my Victor was right. Um, well,

1004
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: Hans Christian Ederson, he did pass away in eighteventy five. Uh.

1005
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: It seems to be of liver cancer. And I thought

1006
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: this was really sweet. Shortly before his death, he consulted

1007
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: a composer about the music for his funeral and he said, quote,

1008
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: most of the people who walk after me will be children,

1009
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: So make the beat keep time with little steps. So sweet.

1010
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he just like, I don't know, he wasn't

1011
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: basically a big kid his whole life, and he knew

1012
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: kids he he was. We didn't get too much into

1013
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: his literature in this story because obviously we're looking at

1014
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: his romances. But he was always talking about He's like,

1015
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: you don't understand me, but do you know who does?

1016
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: Kids that read my books? And that's I think that's

1017
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: really what he just kind of wanted to be in

1018
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 1: that place of just childishness. Yeah, I mean, and why

1019
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: not I don't know. I feel like again, I feel

1020
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: like Margaret wise Brown had a little bit of that

1021
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: as well. Like I just I don't understand why you

1022
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: don't want to look at the world with this wonder

1023
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: and excitement, interest and innocence instead of cynicism and you know, fear,

1024
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: like adults seem to have a lot. You know, there's

1025
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: something beautiful about that. I was just reading a poem

1026
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: earlier today that was like, why not Everyone always says

1027
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: live each day as it it's your last, But why

1028
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: not live at each day as as if it's your first,

1029
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: and just being astonished by everything you see and like

1030
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: bowled over with enthusiasm about so many normal things and

1031
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: nothing is mundane, you know. And I was like, that's

1032
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: a really cool question. Why not let me answer first

1033
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: and just like rubbing your eyes in wonderment, maybe like

1034
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: your sixty fifth day, because like, we just met my

1035
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: newborn niece who's like five days old, and she don't care.

1036
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: She's not wondered by anything. She's just like, what the

1037
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: hell am I doing here? Yeah, we should leave each

1038
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: day as if we're about three months old. I was like, wow,

1039
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: trip and ball two hands, WHOA? But I know that

1040
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: is that is something cool about that that energy Hans

1041
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: had it, that's for sure. Yeah, um, what what a

1042
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: guy there's I'm so fascinated by. I mean, talk about

1043
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: just someone. If I did have my psychology degree and

1044
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: I was doing sex work on the side to pay

1045
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: my bills, I would be really fascinated to analyze was

1046
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: Christian Anderson? You know? And to uh, well, I guess

1047
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: last time we mentioned that maybe he would be diagnosed

1048
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: as being on the autism spectrum. Today and Randy again

1049
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: shared a link with us, saying that there's a lot

1050
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: of scholars who believe that now. It's very hard to

1051
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,919
Speaker 1: diagnose that sort of thing, you know, later when they're

1052
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: not here to talk to you, obviously, but a lot

1053
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: of people are thinking that now. So yeah, it's definitely

1054
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: been said. He's just a fascinating character to me. I mean, like,

1055
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,959
Speaker 1: I always love when people's crazy lives lead to them

1056
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: writing these timeless books and novels and stories and stuff

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Speaker 1: that's always so interesting to dig into. But then there's

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Speaker 1: so much more with this guy. Well, and it's nice

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Speaker 1: to remember that there's people, you know, legendary people who

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Speaker 1: you feel like, oh, it's cool that they you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of marked to the beat of their own drum

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Speaker 1: and they did their own thing. And but you know,

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Speaker 1: it's really cool to like dive into his private world

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Speaker 1: like this and realize that that's really hard to do.

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Speaker 1: That's hard to do no matter who you are, when

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Speaker 1: it is that you know in in history that you're

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Speaker 1: doing it. It's very hard to be out of step

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Speaker 1: with everybody around you. As much as we act like

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Speaker 1: we value that, it really is hard to watch. And

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Speaker 1: I think people are like, oh, why aren't you little

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Speaker 1: do do the normal thing, you know, So it's nice

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Speaker 1: to see how, you know, how it really messed with

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Speaker 1: his head a lot, to be like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: why I'm different, but I just am. And that's what

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Speaker 1: makes him special. Literally, that's why we care about him.

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Speaker 1: That's why he was able to write what he could write.

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Speaker 1: To that point, like seeing these legends and their lives

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Speaker 1: were so not mundane but just like they were just

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Speaker 1: they were small people in a giant world. You know,

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Speaker 1: we see them as these like marker points on the

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Speaker 1: historical timeline, right, and that makes someone so epic, so

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Speaker 1: much bigger than than life. And when you could like

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Speaker 1: go to their day to day life. They were just

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Speaker 1: trying to get through it like the rest of us,

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Speaker 1: and confused and worried, and some of them were trying

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Speaker 1: to get laid. Someone were trying desperately to not get laid, right, Um,

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Speaker 1: making decisions based on emotions on nothing, I mean, yeah,

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01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: and being worried and and and uh, you know, war

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Speaker 1: and stuff around them having such an impact on their lives.

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Speaker 1: They just anybody else. And I think that that does

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Speaker 1: a couple of things. It takes the idea of celebrity

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Speaker 1: and legendary people off the pedestal a little bit. And

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Speaker 1: it also, I think teaches us that, you know, despite

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Speaker 1: our struggles, that kind of impact on the world is

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Speaker 1: not out of reach for us as normal as people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so if you're weird and feeling weird about it, stay

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01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: weird and let us know about your weirdness. We'd love

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01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: to hear from you right around here. And uh, and

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01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: how you related to this story and what you thought

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Speaker 1: of Hans and you know, tell us how offended you

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Speaker 1: are as a Dutch or Danish person for being confused

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Speaker 1: between the two. I will never not be mad that

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Speaker 1: we did that. But again, thank you so much to

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Speaker 1: Arvid for suggesting this story to everyone who's reached out

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Speaker 1: about it. I'm so glad that we got to spend

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Speaker 1: a few episodes with this guy, and I hope you

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Speaker 1: are too. Please let us know your thoughts absolutely send

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Speaker 1: us then email at to ridict Romance at gmail dot

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Speaker 1: the show is at ridict Romance. Thank you again for

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Speaker 1: tune and in for these three episodes spending your time

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Speaker 1: with us. We hope you enjoyed it and we will

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Speaker 1: catch you the next one. I love you, bye, so long, friends,

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