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Speaker 3: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed we do.

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Speaker 2: We are closely tracking all of the Epstein developments and fallout.

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Speaker 2: We're going to start with what is going on inside

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration to the best of how we can

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Speaker 2: parse that, including an instantly infamous truth social from the

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Speaker 2: President himself. We have new questions about that video they

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Speaker 2: released and.

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Speaker 3: A potential cover up.

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Speaker 2: We've got the Maga reaction, which is at this point

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Speaker 2: sort of all all over the board, all across the board,

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Speaker 2: so Trump actually getting ratioed on truth Social potentially for

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Speaker 3: So interesting things developing there.

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Speaker 2: Epstein's brother is speaking out in an interview with Don Levin.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, there's some other important stories we

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Speaker 2: Apparently they had let go a bunch of contractors who

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Speaker 3: So we will take a look at that as well.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Thank you to everybody who has been doing

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Speaker 1: lot of new people coming in from Tucker, Carls, from Epstein,

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Speaker 2: It's like I just sit in the office. I stare

432
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Speaker 2: at these four walls like I missed my wife. I

433
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Speaker 2: mean practically was like in tears about how much the

434
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Speaker 2: job was like making him miserable.

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Speaker 3: So it wouldn't surprise me.

436
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Speaker 2: Also if he's kind of looking for an out, you know,

437
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Speaker 2: and so he I don't know that he's correct that

438
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Speaker 2: he could salvage his reputation with MAGA at this point,

439
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Speaker 2: because there still would be so many questions, right like

440
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Speaker 2: so are there files or aren't there? What did you see?

441
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Speaker 2: Why did you sign off on this? But he may

442
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Speaker 2: be thinking, Okay, this is the last moment when I

443
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Speaker 2: can get out.

444
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Speaker 3: I can maintained some of my credibility.

445
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Speaker 2: Because I walked away because I was disgusted with how

446
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Speaker 2: this was handled, and I can go back to the

447
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Speaker 2: very nice life I had before I went to talk

448
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Speaker 2: about that.

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Speaker 1: Listen, that would be the honorable thing to do, because

450
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Speaker 1: you built your whole career on this thing. And if

451
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Speaker 1: you came out and you actually, if you really came

452
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Speaker 1: out and he told people the truth about stuff that

453
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Speaker 1: happened behind the scenes. Yes I was coerced or whatever

454
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Speaker 1: and design, but you know, look, resigning in protest is

455
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Speaker 1: the honorable thing that you're supposed to do if you

456
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Speaker 1: totally disagree with the policy, and in particular, it'd be

457
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Speaker 1: good for your career.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I mean maybe, but then again, like

459
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Speaker 2: what is the truth? The truth is probably like, oh,

460
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Speaker 2: actually Donald Trump didn't want us to move forward with this.

461
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Speaker 3: He has an audience that isn't really going to want

462
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Speaker 3: to hear that.

463
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not so sure. I really think at

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Speaker 1: this point that there's a big opening and we'll talk

465
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Speaker 1: about this, you know, with MAGA reaction, but with Tucker.

466
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, look, there's and I've personally experienced

467
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Speaker 1: this after just being on the pod, like there are

468
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Speaker 1: maga faithful people out there, people I never in a

469
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Speaker 1: million years. Who would have I thought would have been

470
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Speaker 1: an entree point to which for criticism of Trump. Who

471
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Speaker 1: are few mean frothing at the mouth. And I do

472
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Speaker 1: think that that's a space where, look, you can be

473
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Speaker 1: honest about it, Like you don't have to make it

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Speaker 1: into a big indictment of the whole administration. You just

475
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Speaker 1: be like, look on this thing, he said this. I

476
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Speaker 1: thought it was a shutdown. It's corrupt, and this is

477
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Speaker 1: not what I signed up for. At the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, I still support, you know, the president's initial

479
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Speaker 1: campaign promises, but at the end of the day, this

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Speaker 1: was a bridge too far from me. If you put

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Speaker 1: it that way, I mean, you make basically make yourself unattackable,

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Speaker 1: you know from any sort of like, oh he's a

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Speaker 1: lib or whatever, and you tell the truth. I could

484
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Speaker 1: be wrong, I could be, but at this point, isn't

485
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Speaker 1: a tough position. Yeah, let's get to a seven here

486
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Speaker 1: from Harry Enton, just about how there has been a

487
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Speaker 1: huge streisand effect on the Epstein story by trying to

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Speaker 1: shut it down. The public is actually never more interested

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Speaker 1: than ever before. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 4: What a massive unforced error by the Trump administration. Donald

491
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Speaker 4: Trump would love this story to go away, But in

492
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Speaker 4: fact interest is climbing hire and hire to quote Jackie Wilson.

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Speaker 4: Look at this. Google searches for up twelve hundred percent

494
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Speaker 4: this week versus last And get this, It is currently

495
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Speaker 4: the top the top topic search with Trump on Google

496
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Speaker 4: alongside his presidency. I mentioned Tariff's earlier on right. Epstein

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Speaker 4: has been googled a lot since Monday. He has actually

498
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Speaker 4: been googled one point four times as much as Tariff's

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Speaker 4: has been googled, And that is of course a huge

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Speaker 4: news story. How about groc which is another insane news

501
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Speaker 4: story this week. I mean, my goodness, gracious, but in

502
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Speaker 4: fact Epstein has been googled two point five times as

503
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Speaker 4: much as the Grock story has been googled. But get this,

504
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Speaker 4: Trump releasing more Epstein files in twenty twenty five. This

505
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Speaker 4: is the betting market ugs. You go back two months ago,

506
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Speaker 4: it was forty three percent. You go back even a

507
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Speaker 4: month ago, it was thirty nine percent, but now it's

508
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Speaker 4: just a twenty percent. I think that they're going to

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Speaker 4: be a lot of the normally Magafan base who are

510
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Speaker 4: going to be very disappointed. And this is all a

511
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Speaker 4: self inflicted error by Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right. The again, you know, really, the irony is,

513
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, if they had just dragged their feet

514
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Speaker 1: for another two years and just kept trying to push

515
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Speaker 1: it along, they would not have had people then could

516
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Speaker 1: be like, hey, where are the Epstein files? But there's

517
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Speaker 1: shit going on, you know, we have other things to

518
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Speaker 1: cover and to worry about, etc. But by doing this

519
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Speaker 1: and trying to shut it down in such a ham

520
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Speaker 1: fisted way the day before the Israeli Prime minister comes,

521
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Speaker 1: people have no choice but to be asking what the

522
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Speaker 1: hell is going on in here? You know what? And

523
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Speaker 1: that's it's all a choice by the administration. Let's not

524
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Speaker 1: forget that there was no pressing timeline, there was no

525
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Speaker 1: repla like, there was no real mandate for why they

526
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Speaker 1: had to do this this way other than they wanted

527
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Speaker 1: to shut it down perhaps. And you know, it's forgive

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Speaker 1: me for noticing the day before that the Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: of Israel comes here to the United States for the

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Speaker 1: third time. These things are just too much, you know,

531
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Speaker 1: at a certain point for people to stop paying attention.

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Speaker 1: And I do think it's creating quite a rift, not

533
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Speaker 1: just in Maga, but I mean for a lot of people,

534
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Speaker 1: you know, Jay like this. Yeah, it's actually a real

535
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Speaker 1: Ruarshack test. Like if you ask somebody like, hey, did

536
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Speaker 1: JFK kill himself in the seventies, If you asked that,

537
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Speaker 1: it's like you're a Democrat like that. That's just basically

538
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Speaker 1: how it was. It's like you're voting for Carter, you know,

539
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Speaker 1: you're voting for McGovern or any of these other people.

540
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Speaker 1: And it took a long time for it to become

541
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Speaker 1: more of a biparsion type thing with the Epstein thing

542
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Speaker 1: like you were saying, was more right wing coded. But

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Speaker 1: I'm actually, hopefully now watching a lot of Democrats actually

544
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Speaker 1: wake up. I'm watching Rocanna and I'm watching John oss

545
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Speaker 1: Off and other Democratic politicians. They're not stupid. They can

546
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Speaker 1: see how these things are bubbling up online and they're like, hey,

547
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Speaker 1: hold on a second, like what's going on here. Listen,

548
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Speaker 1: I'll take political opportunism. It's fine with me. And that

549
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Speaker 1: actually could really red pill I think a lot of

550
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Speaker 1: the Democratic base now in the future, they'll have to

551
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Speaker 1: get over the Clinton stuff. He's you know, it's been

552
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Speaker 1: thirty years, guys, we can throw Clinton under the bus y.

553
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Speaker 1: Let's just do it, and let's all move on to

554
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Speaker 1: a better place as a country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, And I mean the way that Trump

556
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Speaker 2: has behaved, he's just acting so.

557
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Speaker 3: Guilty, Yes, so guilty.

558
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Speaker 2: I we'll talk more about it, but I mean, listen,

559
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Speaker 2: a lot of his long time established connection to Epstein

560
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Speaker 2: was just sort of major blind spot from the right.

561
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Speaker 2: They just they only wanted to hear about Clinton or

562
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Speaker 2: Bill Gates, and it was always so.

563
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Speaker 3: Glaring and out there. I mean, we've got the photos,

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Speaker 3: We've got the.

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Speaker 2: Flight logs, We've got Epstein himself saying they were close

566
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Speaker 2: friends for years and years. And Trump has been accused

567
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Speaker 2: of all sorts of sexual crimes by dozens of women

568
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Speaker 2: at this point. So the idea that he was going

569
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Speaker 2: to be the guy to release it, especially when he

570
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Speaker 2: was always uncomfortable when he got asked about it, I mean,

571
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Speaker 2: it was always sort of preposterous, but he did enough

572
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Speaker 2: to play into it. And then you had jad Vance

573
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Speaker 2: out there saying, yes, release the files. And he had

574
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Speaker 2: a whole MAGA influencer world that was all spun up

575
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Speaker 2: around this, so they believe that he would really be

576
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Speaker 2: the guy, And now that he's behaving in this just

577
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Speaker 2: like preposterously guilty way, you know, with this long, unhinged

578
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Speaker 2: truth social post and aping at a reporter that dared to

579
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Speaker 2: ask about it and saying, this is ridiculous. We need

580
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Speaker 2: to just move on, trying to put out this memo saying,

581
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Speaker 2: okase close, nothing to see here, right before Benjamin Daniello

582
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Speaker 2: is in town, and also just after Elon had gone

583
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Speaker 2: after him and said, well, the truth is that Trump

584
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Speaker 2: is in the Epstein files.

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Speaker 3: It all looks suspicious as.

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Speaker 2: Hell, and that is a good transition to this video

587
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Speaker 2: that they released, which was supposed to assure all of

588
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Speaker 2: us that Jeffrey Epstein definitely killed himself and there was

589
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Speaker 2: absolutely nothing to see their soger.

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Speaker 1: That's a very very good transsition here to this so

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Speaker 1: called video and now some of the reporting that's actually

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Speaker 1: come out of that video. So let's take a listen

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Speaker 1: or sorry, take a look, shall we. Let's go and

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Speaker 1: put it up here on the screen from Wired dot com.

595
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Speaker 1: If people don't know, why are Technology based magazine one

596
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Speaker 1: of the best tech kind of publications that's out there.

597
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Speaker 1: Metadata shows the FBI's quote raw Jeffrey Epstein prison video

598
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Speaker 1: was likely modified. Metadata embedded in the video and analyzed

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Speaker 1: by Wired and independent view video forensic experts shows that

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Speaker 1: rather than being a direct export from the prison surveillance system,

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Speaker 1: the footage was modified, likely using the professional editing tool

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Speaker 1: Adobe Premiere Pro. The file appears to have been assembled

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Speaker 1: from at least two source clips, saved multiple times, exported,

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Speaker 1: uploaded to the GoJ website, where it was presented as

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Speaker 1: quote raw footage. That is interesting, isn't it. The metadata

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Speaker 1: analysis shows at the very least that there was some manipulation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we can sympathize perhaps in some respects if

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Speaker 1: you're like, hey, here's all of footage that we have.

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Speaker 1: We edited it for clarity or something. But they called

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Speaker 1: it raw. Okay, they called it raw. Let's be clear

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Speaker 1: about raw. Now, let's go and put the video up

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Speaker 1: on the screen, just to show you some of the problems.

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Speaker 1: So everybody take a look. Let's loop that again, guys,

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Speaker 1: shall we look at the timestamp? It jumps from eleven

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Speaker 1: fifty eight to midnight at twelve am. Now remember the

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Speaker 1: explanation here from Pam Bondi about that missing minute. I've

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Speaker 1: personally never heard of a camera system like this. Let's

618
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Speaker 1: go ahead and play a ten for how the Attorney

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Speaker 1: General responds to why there's a missing one minute from the.

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Speaker 5: Tape and the minute missing from the video. We released

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Speaker 5: the video showing definitively the video was not conclusive, but

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Speaker 5: the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide.

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Speaker 6: And what was on that there was a minute that

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Speaker 6: was off the counter.

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Speaker 5: And what we learned from Bureau of Prisons was.

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Speaker 6: Every year, every night they redo that video as old

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Speaker 6: from like nineteen ninety nine. So every night the video

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Speaker 6: is reset and every night should have the same minute missing.

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Speaker 6: So we're looking for that video to release that as well,

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Speaker 6: showing that a minute is missing every night.

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Speaker 3: And that's it on EPSTEIN, right.

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Speaker 1: So every night there's one minute of missing footage. Now

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Speaker 1: you know, this is one of the most secure prisons

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Speaker 1: in the United States of America. I have a dumbass

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Speaker 1: ring camera and I have a more sophi sticated video

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Speaker 1: system then the Bureau of I mean, that actually is

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Speaker 1: kind of believable. Actually that is theoretically believable, but uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm just a little bit skeptical, especially whenever

639
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Speaker 1: they're not releasing any evidence or any of this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just always like, okay, all the other

641
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Speaker 2: cameras happen to not be working, and the guards happen.

642
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Speaker 3: To be sleeping. And the way this was previously.

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Speaker 2: Presented to us was basically like, listen, we just don't

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Speaker 2: have the video to definitively prove for their way. And

645
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: now it's like, no, we do have the video, and

646
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Speaker 2: here it is, and it definitely definitively proves it. And

647
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Speaker 2: then instantly there's questions about what this camera angle is

648
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Speaker 2: and what it's showing and why is there a minute missing?

649
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Speaker 2: And by the way, you said this was raw footage,

650
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: and we now know that it's been edited and manipulated

651
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Speaker 2: in some kind.

652
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Speaker 3: Of a way.

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Speaker 2: So again there's just no reason to trust and recall, guys,

654
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Speaker 2: they came out with super definitive multiple times actually statements

655
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: of saying there's just nothing there. Yeah, like we have

656
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: decided cash bitalent Joe Rogan, we looked into it, we

657
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: did the research. We are definitively conclusively saying he definitely

658
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Speaker 2: killed himself, and this video is what we're supposed to

659
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Speaker 2: use to like have total faith that they're telling us

660
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Speaker 2: the truth and there's no there there, et cetera. And

661
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: immediately we notice these inconsistencies, and they're spinning and portraying

662
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Speaker 2: this in a way that is just fundamentally dishonest from

663
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Speaker 2: what the video actually reflects.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what part of why this all drives me

665
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Speaker 1: crazy is that it's like like the Kennedy assassination. Look,

666
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you read the you know, the Warren Commission,

667
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: it's all there. You know, I wouldn't say it's a

668
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: good case, but there's the case for why you know

669
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Speaker 1: it was lone gunman and all this other stuff. Well,

670
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Speaker 1: what did we do over the last sixty seventy years

671
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Speaker 1: or whatever we've gone through systematically, and like, Okay, here's

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Speaker 1: an inconsistency. Here's an inconsistency. Here's an inconsistency to the

673
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Speaker 1: point where the inconsistencies show us, well, we don't know

674
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Speaker 1: definitively what happened, but we know for sure it ain't

675
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Speaker 1: this shit. There ain't some magic bullet and oh the

676
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Speaker 1: autopsy report, I go on forever, Well, that's the same

677
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Speaker 1: thing here. Okay, it's exact same scenario. And so for example,

678
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Speaker 1: just with the video, which it's literally the video is

679
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: now comparable at this point to the magic bullet theory

680
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. Just take a look. All right here, let's

681
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Speaker 1: put this graphic up on the screen. And this is

682
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Speaker 1: from Julie K. Brown is best journalists who works on this,

683
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: and she goes, look, the key cameras weren't quote not working.

684
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: The cameras showing the guards are not even in the

685
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: same cameras as those in the Epstein wing. If you

686
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Speaker 1: look at the report, there is even a graphic, so guys,

687
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: you can actually see exactly where the cell is, what

688
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: camera what they were showing was the one that was

689
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Speaker 1: streaming and was recording, and then others that were streaming

690
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Speaker 1: but not recording in the entire rest of the cell block.

691
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Speaker 1: And basically it shows you how there's like multiple different

692
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Speaker 1: cameras avenues paths to the cell. You can see actually

693
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Speaker 1: in the background there the Ltier camera that was not working.

694
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Speaker 1: You know, to this, it's it just it boggles the

695
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Speaker 1: mind to actually think that an edited video now at

696
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Speaker 1: this point, approvably edited video, one that has multiple camera

697
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Speaker 1: angles which we were told were not recording and not missing,

698
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Speaker 1: and that is definitive enough proof. They also always is,

699
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Speaker 1: you know, go beyond the idea of not really they

700
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Speaker 1: also go beyond the fact that this is all they're

701
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: relying on and not the autopsy report. Remember Michael Bodden,

702
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Speaker 1: one of the most famous forensic pathologists in the world,

703
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: said I'm looking at the what is the high ode bone.

704
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: It's not consistent with the hanging. He's like, I'm just

705
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: telling you that from basically all that I've been able

706
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: to review, that it's not there. They didn't release any

707
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: of that information, and then it comes down to the

708
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: privacy element. People are like, oh, well, you want confidential access,

709
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, to these files. I'm like, well, it's yes,

710
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: I do. But you promised that you would release everything.

711
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: You promised transparency. You literally ran on this. There's tape

712
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: after tape of Trump, JD. Cash, Betel, Dan Bongino, and

713
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: Age and the Attorney General all five on camera promising

714
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Speaker 1: not only transparency, but basically saying that there is a

715
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Speaker 1: broader conspiracy. We've seen all of this other information, and

716
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Speaker 1: so you basically forced to conclude they're either completely all lying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't really lie about saying I'm going

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Speaker 1: to release it. You know, it's not even your basing

719
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: it on information, it's an action item. You're like, I'm

720
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Speaker 1: going to do it. And then you come in and

721
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: you say you're not going to do it. Maybe at

722
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Speaker 1: the Attorney General, Cash, Hotel and Dan Bongino quote got

723
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Speaker 1: over their skis. I don't think so, especially because the

724
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Speaker 1: Attorney General was the sitting Attorney General at that time.

725
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Speaker 1: She said it was on her desk? Was she lying

726
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: at that point? If you were, lady, how can we

727
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: ever believe anything that you ever say at this point,

728
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: every to every person prosecuted by the United States government

729
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: from this point forward to just be like, hey, cite

730
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Speaker 1: the Epstein case as to why the government is basically lying,

731
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Speaker 1: you know while in office. I don't know. I just

732
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Speaker 1: there's so there's so much BS that has happened in

733
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Speaker 1: this you know, initial report. The video is just the

734
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Speaker 1: latest example now at this point, and it's just preposterous. Yeah,

735
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Speaker 1: no one else say about it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the bottom line is that Paton Bondi and

737
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Speaker 2: Alena Haba and Dan Bongino and Cash result like you

738
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: were either lying then or you're lying now, right. You

739
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Speaker 2: told us there were thousands of hours of footage and

740
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Speaker 2: now you're telling us there's nothing.

741
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Speaker 3: Which is it? Which is it?

742
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Speaker 2: Because either one means that you have been flagrantly dishonest

743
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Speaker 2: with the American people, and there needs to be some

744
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: sort of reckoning with that, but they just clearly desperately

745
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: want to sweep this under the rug. Change the subject.

746
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Speaker 2: Talk about Rosie O'Donnell. I saw some press conference with

747
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Speaker 2: Pam Bondi talking about like trans girls and sports or whatever,

748
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: and that was another thing that was an indicator to

749
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: me as I looked at those comments too for MAGA people,

750
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: and they were like, this is bullshit. If you want

751
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: to protect girls, how about your release that buy? Like wow,

752
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: even they're like go to let's you know, culture war distraction.

753
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Speaker 3: They were not buying it. So that's how serious this is.

754
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: Why should you buy it?

755
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: You're like, what, oh, yeah, you can? You care so

756
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: much about protecting girls.

757
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I can't deal with this level

758
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: of BS anymore. And look, I mean that's me, but

759
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Speaker 1: I really do think that there's a lot of people

760
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: out there who feel similarly. That's a good transition, you know,

761
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: to MAGA and kind of the reaction that we've seen

762
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Speaker 1: so far. By far, the most outspoken voice over the

763
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Speaker 1: weekend Tucker Carlson, who took the stage in Enemy Territory

764
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Speaker 1: or maybe not. Actually, we can discuss at the Turning

765
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: Point USA conference where it's full of the Maga Faithful,

766
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: and the conference itself was raucus both on the Epstein question.

767
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: There was a debate between Dave Smith and Josh Hammer

768
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Speaker 1: on the question of Israel. Both of them were actually

769
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Speaker 1: getting booed and celebrated at the same time. Israel and

770
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Speaker 1: Epstein are actually just tearing up the entire at least

771
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Speaker 1: like young Maga Faithful, which is very interesting. So let's

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Speaker 1: take a listen here to Tucker Carlson's comments at the

773
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Speaker 1: TPUSA event on Jeffrey Epstein. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: And so the real question is not was Jeffrey Epstein

775
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 7: a weirdo who is using girls? Yes, we can answer that.

776
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 7: The real question is why was he doing this? On

777
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 7: whose behalf? And where did the money come from? And

778
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 7: those are the questions that need to be answered. And

779
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 7: I think it's entirely fair to ask them, and it's

780
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Speaker 7: not adequate to say anyone who asked them is somehow

781
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 7: desecrating the memory of little girls. You died in Texas.

782
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 7: Are not going to put up with that answer. I

783
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 7: don't care who gives that answer. That is not acceptable.

784
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 7: And I think the real answer is Jeffrey Epstein was

785
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 7: working on behalf of Intel Services, probably not American, and

786
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 7: we have every right to ask on whose behalf was

787
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 7: he working. It's extremely obvious to anyone who watches that

788
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 7: this guy had direct connections to a foreign government. Now

789
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 7: no one's allowed to say that foreign government is Israel

790
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 7: because we have been somehow cowed into thinking that that's naughty.

791
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 7: There is nothing wrong with saying that. There is nothing

792
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 7: hateful about saying that. There's nothing anti Semitic about saying

793
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 7: there's nothing even anti Israel about saying that.

794
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Speaker 1: And you have a right to expect that your.

795
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Speaker 7: Government will not act against your interests, and you have

796
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 7: a right to demand that foreign governments not be allowed

797
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 7: to act against your interests. People feel like they can't

798
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 7: just say, like, what the hell is this? You have

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Speaker 7: the former Israeli Prime minister living in your house, You

800
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 7: have had all this contact with a foreign government. Were

801
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 7: you working on behalf of Massad? Were you running a

802
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 7: blackmail operation on behalf of foreign government? By the way,

803
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 7: every single person in Washington, DC thinks that I've never

804
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 7: met anyone who doesn't think that.

805
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: Every single person want, I mean privately, they probably do

806
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: admit it if people are too afraid to actually say

807
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: it out loud. But that was from Tucker obviously has

808
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: gotten a huge reaction. He's already being denounced by the

809
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: Israeli Minister Fight for Diaspora Affairs, who is an open

810
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: letter to Charlie Kirk about platforming anti Semitism like this.

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Speaker 1: The former Israeli Prime Minister enough Tlly Bennett, this morning

812
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: came out and said Israel's never worked with Jeffrey Epstein,

813
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: he never worked with Mosad, and he went after Tucker,

814
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: Carlson and Charlie Kirk as well. Let's put this up

815
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: there on the screen. Also from Elon Musk, who originally

816
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: made this accusation, saying here quote seriously, he said, Epstein

817
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: half a dozen times is reacting to the original truth

818
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: social posts half a dozen times. We'll tell her everyone

819
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: who stop talking about Epstein just released the files as promised.

820
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Speaker 1: You know, actually just occurred to me, what if all

821
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Speaker 1: of this was an effort to try and shut down

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Speaker 1: the Elon conversation, which ended up just being a streisand

823
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Speaker 1: effect for all of that to try and get ahead

824
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: or responding that actually would make a little bit of

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Speaker 1: I think that's.

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Speaker 3: Probably part of it too, for sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's really interesting the Israel piece

828
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Speaker 2: and what you're talking about, how it's like tearing apart

829
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Speaker 2: young Maga in particular, the young Right in particular, and

830
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: at the same time it's tearing apart the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: And I mean it's but it makes sense in a

832
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Speaker 2: way because Israel is sort of exposes like the lies

833
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: and hypocrisy of both major parties ideology. So if Trump

834
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: is physicianing himself as America first, in America's interests first,

835
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: obviously you have this glaring Israel exception which just you know,

836
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: puts exposes the lie of whether or not his foreign

837
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Speaker 2: policy is actually about serving the interests of the American people.

838
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 2: And you have you know, ancillary problems with like cancel

839
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: culture and things like that. So you know, for the right,

840
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: there's a massive tension there where it exposes the hypocrisies

841
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: of the sort of like ruling elites ideology. And obviously

842
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: on the left with the Democratic Party, these are supposed

843
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: to be people who care about human rights and you know, humanitarianism,

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Speaker 2: and they want to be the good guys in the world,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. And it's like you are funding and supporting

846
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: a genocide, so what's going on there? So you know,

847
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: it's I guess it's It's would have been hard to

848
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: predict that Israel would have been the issue that would

849
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: create these massive fault lines and fissures within these both

850
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: of these coalitions. But when you think it through, it

851
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: actually makes perfect sense why this is unfolding the way

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00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: that it Ultimately, I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's part of the reason that we get

854
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: to work together well. And this is you, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's like, come at it from different angles. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here talking about humanitarianism anywhere. I'm just like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I really want my own country to function on its

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Speaker 1: own terms. Is that too much to ask? I want

859
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Speaker 1: for my foreign policy it benefit me as a citizen

860
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: and the rest of our citizens. I don't think it's

861
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: so much, you know, to ask of somebody. Apparently it is,

862
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, even when somebody runs on the slogan of

863
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: America First here, I'm only happy to see that so

864
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: many young Republicans have changed so much on the issue.

865
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: And make no mistake, as many of these boomers, who

866
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: are you know, praying at these PUFI conferences to the

867
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Speaker 1: survival of Israel, who are like, I would die before

868
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: any Israeli dies. There are plenty of younger Republicans out there,

869
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: people who grew up on Tucker or any you know,

870
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: any of these podcasts, have a very different view on

871
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: foreign affairs, who actually believe in America first, like as

872
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: a principal, who are furious it's and this is where

873
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: the Epstein thing goes broader because it's like you said

874
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: about cancel culture. More recently, the Epstein issue is now

875
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: being used by kind of Zionist forces as a cancel

876
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: culture issue. They're like, oh, look at these conspiracy theories.

877
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: We needed to shut down this. I mean, Nett on

878
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: Yahoo maybe we can cover this tomorrow. In his interview

879
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: with Mark Levin said that the eighth Front war for

880
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: Israel is now disinformation in the United States of America,

881
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: and he's like, we must attack it on all fronts.

882
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: They're being pretty open about all of this. I mean,

883
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: first of all, you know, let's go to the cabinet

884
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: member for a diaspora. It's like, bro, you are trying

885
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: to tell Charlie Kirk how to run the TP USA event.

886
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: You're trying to tell him a minister of a foreign government,

887
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: trying to tell him how to run a tp USA

888
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: internal GOP type event. That's the level of comfort that

889
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: they have in meddling and kind of lecturing our own affairs. Why,

890
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: because they've gotten away with it for years, from APAC

891
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: to BDS laws that are on the books. It's all

892
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: just too much. I hope for a lot of people.

893
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: But you know, I guarantee that Charlie Kirk has some

894
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: exposure here though, because I'm sure that he some of

895
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: his donors, Oh yeah, are you know, significant committed ideological Zionists.

896
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: That's it's not even a question, it's obvious they absolutely do.

897
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: And so Laura Lumer has been waging war against Charlie

898
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: Kirk for daring to platform such an odious character as Dave.

899
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 3: Smith or you know, Tucker.

900
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: She's actually sharing the clip of Dave from our show

901
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: right critical of Trump, saying like this is she's not

902
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: pro Trump, he's anti Trump, etcetera. But and she's also

903
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: making that poot of like, you know, your donors will

904
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: promised one thing, and here you are platforming these like

905
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: anti Israel voices. So you know, there's there's a war

906
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: that's being waged. Heer at this point on the specific

907
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: issue of Israel. Now again with Tucker and with many others,

908
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: you know, the criticism is.

909
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: Directly of Israel.

910
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: There's very light touch where Trump himself is concerned. So

911
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: that sort of that is still if you want to

912
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: be in good graces in MAGA world, if you want

913
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: to continue to have access to Trump et cetera. Obviously

914
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: that's still the approach that is taken there. But it

915
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: was pretty interesting to see these fishures that have opened up,

916
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: you know, at TPUSA and Charlie Kirk. I actually just

917
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: saw this morning report that Trump had called him and said,

918
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: you need to stop criticizing Pam Bondi in particular, because,

919
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: like I said, that was the kind of go to

920
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: of like, okay, well, how are we going to handle

921
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: this without without criticizing Trump will make her the scapegoat,

922
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: And now that has been taken off the table.

923
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: If I were Charlie, here's what I would tell my donors.

924
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: My job is to assemble the young right and to

925
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: kind of get them excited. We cannot do that in

926
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: an environment where here we have Pew research in marsh

927
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: overall opinion of Israel Republicans under fifty fifty percent unfavorable,

928
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: fifty percent unfavorable. That was in March of twenty twenty

929
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: five Pew, same survey, Do you have confidence in net

930
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: and Yahoo to do the right thing? Thirty two percent

931
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: for In terms of confidence for young Republicans, this is

932
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: under fifty. I would actually love to see a poll

933
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: of under thirty five. Is Israel an ally friendly, unfriendly

934
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: or an enemy of the United States? Twenty percent lower

935
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: ally rating for the GOP under forty five compared to

936
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: GOP sixty five plus Quinnipiac is the US two supportive

937
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: of Israel. Only fifteen percent of Republicans said that they are,

938
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: but massively driven at that point by the under fifty category.

939
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: Let's also remember a young republic Younger people skewed a

940
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: lot more Republican in some surveys I've seen, they actually

941
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: voted more Republicans, specifically young men, than either at a

942
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: majority or any time than ever before. So you cannot

943
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: say that this is a nothing coalition or at least

944
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: part of your overall voter base, and perhaps you know

945
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: future of the entire country. And that's part of why

946
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: if TPUSA is to be an honest event, then they

947
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: have to have at least some representation of this view.

948
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put B three. We'll go ahead

949
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: and play this. This was very interesting and this again,

950
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, look for all the influencers talk and all

951
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: of that, this is just a dude who attended the event.

952
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say about the Epstein thing.

953
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: We need to enforce the laws of this country.

954
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 8: And you know, like you said, Steve, there's no better

955
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 8: question than who rules America.

956
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: It's not the people, So we need.

957
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 8: To obviously have the declassification of the U.

958
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 9: You don't think Donald Trump is president, you would tell

959
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 9: Donald Trump in the Oval office that you think there's

960
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 9: an open question with him as commander in chief and

961
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 9: doing all he's doing. You would actually tell Trump you

962
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 9: don't know you do you question who rules this country?

963
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 8: I definitely would, because it's a blackmail ring. And anybody

964
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 8: who wouldn't is not paying attention.

965
00:44:59,520 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: Simply.

966
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 8: Epstein himself said that he was best friends on the

967
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 8: stand with Donald Trump. So anybody who thought that these

968
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 8: files were going to get just declassified because we pressured

969
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 8: him enough or you voted harder enough, is just lying

970
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 8: to yourself, Frank, do you agree.

971
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 10: With a special prosecutor has to be an independent special

972
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 10: prosecute has to take over? Do you believe that DOJ

973
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 10: and FBI right now, with the guys who are all

974
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 10: close to Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino, Cash Pttel, do you

975
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 10: think they have any credibility left to pursue this.

976
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 8: No, And I'll tell you exactly why, Steve, Because in

977
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 8: twenty sixteen we trusted the plan with Trump. But now

978
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 8: Trump has become the deep state, the exact thing he

979
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 8: we voted him in.

980
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 10: Why do you say, Why do you say.

981
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 9: He's become the deep state?

982
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 8: What is more deep state than covering up for pedophiles?

983
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 8: Why would you go to that island? Why tell me

984
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 8: why would you go to that islands? Why would you

985
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 8: go on the plane?

986
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: Interesting? Interesting? Indeed, that there's no better representation of modern

987
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: right wing America then a guy pressing Steve, a Latino,

988
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: young male in a suit at a TPUSA conference pressing

989
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon calling out Donald Trump for being a part

990
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: of the deep state. That is Bannon, that is the

991
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: new Republican Coalition.

992
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 3: Steve Bannon has some things to answer for as well.

993
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: Okay, that is very weird. I mean I totally agree.

994
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

995
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: I mean he you know, had his own associations and

996
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: then did this long He's got fifteen hours after the

997
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: interview with Epstein that's never been released. So Steve Bannon

998
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: released the files. Release the tapes, buddy, Let's see what

999
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: you got there. You know, I suspect where a lot

1000
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: of this goes ultimately, and you can kind of hear

1001
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: it there in what that individual was saying. I suspect

1002
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: it goes to a place of nihilism. And you kind

1003
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: of hear this from the podcast bros To, Like you said,

1004
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: you know, new boss name is the old boss the

1005
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: sense he says, this thing of Lego, you can't vote

1006
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: hard enough to get a different outcome, et cetera. And

1007
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: I saw the same thing happen on the left. After

1008
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: you had first the betrayal of Obama, then you have

1009
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: the hope of Bernie Sanders. Then you have Bernie Sanders defeated,

1010
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 2: and you know, a sort of sense of a rigged

1011
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 2: system stacked against you. In twenty sixteen twenty twenty, also

1012
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: a sense that Bernie in some senses there was like

1013
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 2: a sense of betrayal around the way he conducted himself

1014
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: and the friendliness towards Biden, et cetera, and a lot

1015
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: of that morphed into a nihilism of just like nothing matters,

1016
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 2: nothing can change, I can't have any impact. Everyone's always

1017
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: going to betray you. And I suspect that some of

1018
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: this energy that's exactly where it goes towards. Like I said,

1019
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I think with the maga influencer world,

1020
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: they're going to get back on board with Trump. He's

1021
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: going to do some crazy shit in the next couple

1022
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: of weeks and they're going to be out there.

1023
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: They're gonna be defending him.

1024
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: They're going to find some way, you know, whether it's

1025
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 2: Alex Jones, we'll play this in a little bit out

1026
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: there saying like, oh, it's the democrats fault. They probably

1027
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: rigged the Epstein files to delete anything that looks bad

1028
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: for them, and just like you know, invent things that

1029
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: look bad for Trump, and so it makes sense that

1030
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: Trump wouldn't release them. They'll come up with some shit

1031
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: to get back on board. I think the podcast Bros.

1032
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: Will just become more sort of like you know, nihilistic,

1033
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: nothing matters, You can't vote your way out of it

1034
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: into a whole bit about like you've just got to

1035
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: pick the pedal that you know is pro business or

1036
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: whatever that is his take on it, and you know,

1037
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: for for independence. I think this will contribute to already

1038
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: a sense of this isn't really what I wanted in

1039
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 2: this administration. This is not the guy that I thought

1040
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 2: he was. He's not, you know, the truth teller. He's

1041
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: not delivering on an economic front for me the way

1042
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: that I wanted. And just a general sense of sort

1043
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: of decline and disappointment is how I would sort the

1044
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 2: various buckets of how this will work.

1045
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: That's a really sad story, don't you think. I mean,

1046
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: what you're talking about is what led to Bernie Bros.

1047
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: Bernie Bros. Got burned twice twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, and

1048
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: then became Trump Bros. Now, if you've been burned four

1049
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: times in a row, who are you likely to become

1050
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: in terms of your politics? You've been start getting pretty angry. Yeah,

1051
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: that's what led to you know, a lot of radicalization

1052
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. I mean, I don't know, honestly,

1053
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: in some ways, I almost welcome it at this point,

1054
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: because you know, people need to see just exactly how

1055
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: disgusting so many of these politicians are, say is on

1056
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: a personal level, you know, I know some of the

1057
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: people who are involved, you know, in the government and

1058
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: all this, and then just to watch it, you know,

1059
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: twist and turn and turn into something that you know.

1060
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: It's not even about promises from a TV screen. I'm

1061
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: talking about years of conversation and all these other things

1062
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 1: about what a future government looks like and the plan

1063
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: and what and all that, and then you come out

1064
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: with this shit and you're like, oh, this is a

1065
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: tough pill to swallow. It makes you want to become

1066
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: a Zoron Mamdani supporter. It makes you want to it

1067
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: makes you want to, like, really look at some radical

1068
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: shit now in the future. That's just me personally, and

1069
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm doing okay. Now, if you add

1070
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: on top of that, somebody who you voted for Obama

1071
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: about bailouts and then got burned and voted for Trump

1072
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, voted for Trump and or maybe Biden

1073
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty maybe you sat out that vote twenty

1074
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: twenty four, you're disgusted by Biden, you come in and

1075
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: you vote for Trump again. Now you're like sixty years old,

1076
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: what are you going to think? You know at that

1077
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: point and you're looking at the medicaid situation or you're

1078
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: starting to get worried about the country. You take my

1079
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: gen range, our generations, the mill the millennial ones. I

1080
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: was just telling you this morning, thirty eight years old

1081
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: is now the average price for a first time home

1082
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: buyer in America. You have no stake in the country

1083
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: now at this point, how many I'd have to do

1084
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: the math. If you're thirty eight years old, how many

1085
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: presidential elections have you voted in? So that's twenty years

1086
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: of being an eligible voter, So maybe three or four

1087
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: presidential elections if you're lucky. I mean, if you vote

1088
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: three or four times in your life actually gets shittier

1089
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: every single time. What path is that going to lead

1090
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: you behind? It doesn't take a genius. You don't have

1091
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: to figure this stuff out.

1092
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 2: Well, let me just I want to pick up on

1093
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: that sore on point and pull that threat a little

1094
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 2: bit because I think it's I think it's interesting because

1095
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: I was saying before, you know, I couldn't have predicted it,

1096
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: but it makes perfect sense that Israel ends up being

1097
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: this key dividing issue in both the Republican coalition and

1098
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: inside of the Democratic coalition. The Democrats are further along

1099
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: in that, you know, you have the Democratic base is

1100
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: like eighty percent now at this point, like, we've got

1101
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: to stop this relationship. This is insane, it's a genocide.

1102
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: We've got to stop. And Zorn just had this really

1103
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: significant victory in the city of New York, which is

1104
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: an incredible, like it is actually an earth shattering kind

1105
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: of a thing that he could win as an avowed

1106
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: anti Zionist in New York City is really wild. I think,

1107
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 2: as I was telling you before, I think in twenty

1108
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 2: twenty eight, you're going to have this divide.

1109
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: It's going to be central.

1110
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 2: And Israel stands in as a question of are you

1111
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: your own person, do you have principles or are you

1112
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: just basically controlled? And I think it stands in for

1113
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: the same thing on the right. And so I do

1114
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: think that there is a risk coalitionally for you know,

1115
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: people who have been you know, who are young, who

1116
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: are on the right, if you do end up with

1117
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: a Democratic candidate who is anti Zionist and more avowed

1118
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 2: and has a different position on this, I do actually

1119
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 2: think it could be a coalitional problem for the young right,

1120
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: as this issue has been so central as a stand

1121
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 2: in for are you a decent person with some basic

1122
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: commitment and principles and can stand on your own And

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00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: the reason I say that is, like you see the

1124
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 2: way Schultz reacted to Mom Donnie, where he was like,

1125
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: you know, had some respect for him because of taking

1126
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: that position. It really struck me that the one thing

1127
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: Rogan knew about him was like that moment on the

1128
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: debate stage where he's like, I'm staying here.

1129
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 3: In New York.

1130
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: Y'all can go to Israel if you want, and really

1131
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 2: stood his ground on that particular issue. And so I

1132
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 2: do think that, you know, surprisingly, and I've said many

1133
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 2: times like I don't think this is the way people vote,

1134
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: and I don't know how central foreign policy is. I

1135
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: actually do think that this issue is has become so

1136
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: divisive and has become such a litmus test that it

1137
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: is shaping politics on both the left and the right

1138
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: and a really profound way.

1139
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: Well, you said something important there. You call it a

1140
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: foreign policy issue. It's not a foreign policy issue. That's

1141
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: a domestic policy issue. Now, it's about whether you care

1142
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: more about a foreign country than you. It's about character,

1143
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: and it's about character, So yeah, you can come at

1144
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: it from a variety of different issues. But yeah, I

1145
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: do predict that this will be a problem. Here's Shane

1146
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: Gillis talking about the Trump and Epstein files released. Let's

1147
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: take a listen.

1148
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 11: That's insane that they're just be like, yeah, no, no,

1149
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 11: everything was cool above board. Don't like Trump dog, Yeah,

1150
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 11: it's tough not to fucking point some fingers, huge question.

1151
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 11: She got killed while you were president? Yeah, and you

1152
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 11: were there, you got I mean, there's so many photos

1153
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 11: of them chilling, allegedly hung with his staff. The cope

1154
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 11: on Trump's innocent the cop is fucking pretty intense. Somebody

1155
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 11: brought it up at a meeting and Trump was like,

1156
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 11: are you guys still talking about Epstein? It's like, that's crazy.

1157
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 11: There's so much other stuff going on. I can't believe

1158
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 11: you're bringing up Epstein. Are you serious? God, get a life.

1159
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 11: You guys are obsessed with this shit. What the fuck?

1160
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 11: No one even cares? Yeah, so long ago got killed

1161
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 11: himself and he was innocent.

1162
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 5: What the hell?

1163
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 11: They're probably all sexual black mouth like sexually black mouthed.

1164
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: So there we go checking in on on Shane Gillis

1165
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: and Matt McCusker, friend of the show by the way,

1166
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: we love Matt over here. But listen, I mean, it's

1167
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: not going away. That's gonna be there. I haven't hear

1168
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: Tim Dillon is way in the Flagrant podcast is weighed in.

1169
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if THEO has yet. I'm sure there'll

1170
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: be something good coming. Hopefully we see something interesting from

1171
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: Joe as well, you know, all on the issue, So

1172
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: that would I think that's the trifecta right in terms

1173
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: of I'm trying to do the math. I can't think

1174
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: of any other large podcasts that Trump went on. I

1175
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: guess the Boys. Yeah, sorry, I apologize.

1176
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 3: We gotten there with VV.

1177
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Speaker 1: I still haven't gotten interest to sit down. I've been

1178
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: checking for it. I'm waiting on you, Steiny, where are you?

1179
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 12: Man?

1180
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 1: But what's happening?

1181
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 5: Uh?

1182
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: You know, I still can't believe that happened. But yeah,

1183
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think outside of NELK maybe Barstool. I

1184
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: think he went on busting' which I don't know if

1185
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: it's with Barstool anymore.

1186
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: They're more very pro Israel, isn't he.

1187
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm saying the podcast he went on was

1188
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: not I think they left Barstool, but it's more sports related,

1189
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure.

1190
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm important I think does fit in that

1191
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 2: sphere though, of like the bro podcast.

1192
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be definitely on the other side.

1193
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is pro Israel, so that's part of

1194
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: the problem. He's been attacking actually Andrew Schultz publicly about

1195
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: that or anything, which is pretty funny. But I mean,

1196
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: I guess that's more of a separate issue. But if

1197
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: you guys want to see the code, it's connected. If

1198
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: you guys all want to see the cope, here's Alex

1199
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: Jones actually giving Trump some of the benefit of the

1200
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: doubt on the issue.

1201
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 12: This is a giant fiasco. I'm trying to call balls

1202
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 12: of strikes. I'm trying to look at every angle of

1203
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 12: this and understand what's happening and understand why the tru

1204
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 12: administration did a one a the last few months and

1205
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 12: particularly the last week and did this and then blames

1206
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 12: loyal supporters who support the overall agenda as being traitorous

1207
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 12: for doing this. Now we all know what triggered this.

1208
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 12: It was Elon two months ago saying, look, Trump's in

1209
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 12: the list and that big break up there, and then

1210
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 12: Trump wants it closed. He wants it shut down, which

1211
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 12: looks extremely, extremely incriminating. But from all my deep research,

1212
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 12: never saw Trump involved in any ellege activity with Jeffrey Epstein.

1213
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 12: I didn't even think about the fact. I'm like, oh, yeah,

1214
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 12: if they've had the list, and they've had the files

1215
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 12: for years, the Democrats would take stuff out, destroy it. Well,

1216
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 12: that's obvious. They would leave in and twist and put

1217
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 12: in what they wanted. They have a long history of

1218
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 12: false documents reports, you know, Crossfire, Hurricane, the list goes

1219
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 12: on and on. I think this is not going away,

1220
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 12: so I blow up, blown up ten times bigger. It's

1221
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 12: out of control. And this was so obviously. We got

1222
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 12: people said, oh, you're being a trainer, sayre's to be

1223
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 12: a big issue. No, I'm seasoned, I'm informum involved on

1224
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 12: know what's going.

1225
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: On, got it Alex and really really getting to the

1226
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: bottom of it.

1227
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 12: Here.

1228
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: We also have Scott Adams. We can put this up

1229
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: there on the screen. He says, must be juicy and

1230
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: dangerous stuff in those files. But I don't feel the

1231
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,720
Speaker 1: need to be a backseat driver on this topic for leaders.

1232
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: I trust that it's time to let it go. They

1233
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: want what is best for America, and they have their reasons.

1234
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: I don't need to check their work.

1235
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: I mean when you're definitely not Nicole, that is such.

1236
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, let's let's let's just weigh on that for

1237
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: a second. Because this is very predominant amongst MAGA if

1238
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: during Iran and now during this it's about trusting the plan,

1239
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 1: it's about trusting Donald Trump. Even JD was like Trump

1240
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: has earned the trust on this issue, and it's like,

1241
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: uh no, he's not. And by the way, if we

1242
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: look at it, the neo cons did not trust Trump.

1243
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: Whenever Trump was going in the diplomatic direction. They were like,

1244
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: Steve Witkobb is a Katari asset and Trump is betraying

1245
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: Israel and all that. But then the moment you know

1246
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: that he's going in their direction, they're like, oh, you

1247
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: got to sit down and you gotta trust Trump. This

1248
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: is part of the reason why, you know, if you're

1249
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: not willing to actually just be honest and be genuinely critical,

1250
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna get nowhere in a political movement. You got

1251
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: to kick up a fuss and actually kick some shit around.

1252
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: But this whole like, oh, you got to trust and

1253
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: all that. It's cultish behavior. I mean, how did it

1254
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: work out for the leftists who trusted Obama? I mean,

1255
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: if Ryan were here, I'd love to talk to him

1256
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 1: about that. That was part of the pushback they would

1257
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: always get, is that what you guys don't trust us?

1258
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: And Ryan in the movie like, no, we don't trust

1259
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: you on bank bailouts or any of this other stuff.

1260
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: After a while, it's like, fool me once, you know,

1261
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: fool me twice, then it's on me. That's really what's

1262
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: happened at this point.

1263
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, leftists didn't really exist at that point by

1264
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 2: in America, but there was a lot of liberals.

1265
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1266
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: I mean I was an MSNBC at the time, and

1267
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: that was the ethos, Yes, if Obama's doing it, it's.

1268
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 3: Good to be good, right, you know.

1269
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: And yeah, there were very few who actually remained principled

1270
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: during that time period and would say no. I said

1271
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: it was against drone wars during the Bush administration. I'm

1272
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: still against stone strone wars.

1273
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 3: You know. I just went on Alex Jones thing.

1274
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: I guess apparently he cried, he puked, and then he

1275
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 2: realized the truth, which is this is actually all the

1276
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: Democrats fault. He's just trying to call balls and strikes here.

1277
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: He's never seen and this will be a good segue

1278
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 2: into the night. You've never seen any of it. I's

1279
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: that Trump had any involvement, So we can't be that.

1280
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: Put that on of your mind. Sagery must be the

1281
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 2: Democrats fault, even though Epstein killed himself while Trump was

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Speaker 2: president the first time. Oh isn't that interesting. We've got

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Speaker 2: one more for you here. We didn't put up cat turd.

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Speaker 1: Yet, did we.

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Speaker 2: We've got a cat turd we can throw up on

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Speaker 2: the screen.

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Speaker 3: Good night everyone.

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Speaker 2: My advice is to mute or block all negative black

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Speaker 2: pill accounts. It's amazing how successful the first six months

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Speaker 2: of the Trump administration has been. Don't let these sour

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00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: puss chronic complainers hijack your happiness. Why are you hijacked

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Speaker 2: in their happiness? How dare you be positive?

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Speaker 3: We're winning?

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Speaker 2: Have a great Saturday night? So you know, you'll see

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00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: like they're gonna most of the like hardcore mega influencers,

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00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: they'll come around to something approaching this. A lot of

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Speaker 2: the mega faithful they will stay in line, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: But you're so right about the different buckets. Yeah, rightly,

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Speaker 2: you know, hardcore maga. They're gonna be with Laura Lumer.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna figure out a way to rationalize it. It's

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Speaker 2: the Democrats fault. This was all a trap set up

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Speaker 2: by Barack Obama somehow, some way, And yeah, it must

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00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: be that the Democrats just like rigged this thing to

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Speaker 2: destroy Trump or we should just trust him and don't

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00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: ask too many questions. Most of the mega faithful will

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Speaker 2: end up there, and then the people who are sort

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Speaker 2: of more you know, unaligned, independent, whatever, who were influenced

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Speaker 2: by the bro podcast and by and vote based on

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Speaker 2: war less vibes.

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Speaker 3: I think it'll be significant for that.

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Speaker 2: I do, and I think it will, you know, so

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Speaker 2: a level of distrust and sort of disappointment in this

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00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: administration in the direction that it has gone in because

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00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 2: it was such a core article of faith that he

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Speaker 2: would be the guy to you know, expose the files,

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Speaker 2: and not only is he not doing that, not only

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Speaker 2: is he part of the cover up, but he looks

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Speaker 2: guilty as hell, and there's a lot of reasons to

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Speaker 2: believe that potentially he is guilty as hell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's an important trends before we get to that.

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Speaker 1: That's such important, and I want to drive it home

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Speaker 1: for everybody because recently someone was like, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: you speak to magar, right, and I was like, what

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Speaker 1: what are you talking about. It's like, no, I don't.

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Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, well, who do you think that

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Speaker 1: you quote speak to? And I was like, to the

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Speaker 1: extent that I speak to anybody, it's you know, on

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Speaker 1: our audience, which if we look at our breakdown, is

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Speaker 1: like basically all over the place in terms of politics,

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Speaker 1: and is roughly between the ages of eighteen and forty five,

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Speaker 1: who I would consider. I mean, look, if you're watching

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Speaker 1: the show, you're watching a lot of news and politics.

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Speaker 1: You're probably in the top five ten percent of consumers

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Speaker 1: of news, you know, in the United States, which is great.

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Speaker 1: We're very happy to have you. It makes you a

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Speaker 1: little bit more atypical, but you're more going to be

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Speaker 1: in that independent type category. People are willing to be

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Speaker 1: swayed and look all over the place. And I said,

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Speaker 1: I can only speak to that because I would say

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Speaker 1: that's the only thing I'm an expert in or whatever,

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Speaker 1: to the extent that that even exists, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's a big deal, right, And so that's what I

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Speaker 1: just want to drive home. And look, the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: or the Trump campaign used that audience and really won

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Speaker 1: a lot of them over. I don't think it's deniable,

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Speaker 1: you know, from the twenty twenty four election. So to

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Speaker 1: have them turn against you, especially after you celebrated the

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Speaker 1: podcast election Vibes and all that you made the all

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Speaker 1: media is dead, et cetera, Well then you are now

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Speaker 1: in a position where you are supposed to pay attention.

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Speaker 1: So they're either irrelevant or they're not. And they weren't

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Speaker 1: irrelevant whenever you needed their votes and their platforms, and

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Speaker 1: there are millions of views, et cetera. So I would

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Speaker 1: just put it that way. You know, when we talk

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Speaker 1: about politically and this is the magabase, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of confusion. The magabase is like a sixty five year

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Speaker 1: old guy in Florida who owns a plumbing business and

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Speaker 1: a boat and with the giant flag on the back.

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Speaker 1: And I'll never let you forget it. That's what the

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Speaker 1: magabase is. It's not you know that guy at the TPUSA,

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Speaker 1: the Latino guy who maybe was a Democrat eight years

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Speaker 1: ago who's now a Republican, at a TPUSA event. That's

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Speaker 1: somebody who you know, I've got a little bit common ground,

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Speaker 1: or at least no, I know where this person comes from.

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Speaker 3: Ye, yes, you can imagine that guy watching exactly.

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Speaker 1: Of course, by the way, we're happy to have yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're happy to have.

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Speaker 2: You a last reflection on this, and then we'll get

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Speaker 2: to some of the direct you know, Trump questions here.

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Speaker 2: You know, you said that you feel like the podcast

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Speaker 2: bros probably feel like they were used.

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Speaker 1: I hope.

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Speaker 2: I hope they do, because they were you know, I

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Speaker 2: mean they were like Trump knew he could go on there,

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01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: Jadevans could go on there or whatever, and they would

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Speaker 2: get just like a friendly hearing, and it would humanize

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Speaker 2: them and it was just sort of a chill hangout

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Speaker 2: for a few hours and they wouldn't get any like

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Speaker 2: really tough questions. And at a time when Trump was

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Speaker 2: being called an extremist and a fascist, this would be

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Speaker 2: a way to be like, look at this guy's like

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Speaker 2: hanging out with Rogan, He's hanging out with whoever, you know,

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Speaker 2: THEO vonn whoever.

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Speaker 3: He can't be a fascist, that's preposterous.

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Speaker 2: So they were used, and I hope that there is

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Speaker 2: like some thought that goes into that, because you do

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Speaker 2: when you have a large platform, I do think that

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01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: comes with some level of responsibility to like, this is

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01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 2: a person who wants to be in the most powerful

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Speaker 2: position on the planet, do a little bit of read, like,

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Speaker 2: do a little bit of prep. No, you're not Barbara

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01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: Walters or Jake Dabber or whatever, but you can ask

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01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: some tough questions.

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Speaker 1: There can be a balance.

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01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 2: You know, these are smart individuals.

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Speaker 3: They're not stupid.

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Speaker 2: They My personal view is if you're smart enough to

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Speaker 2: be like too funny on command, you are an intelligent person.

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Speaker 2: And so if you're going to dabble in that world

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01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: like bother to do your homework and hold yourself to

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01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 2: a standard. So you said, you know, you think next time,

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01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 2: if there is a next time, it's going to be

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01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 2: a different tenor and that's a good thing.

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01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 3: That is a good thing.

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01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: So you know, I hope it's a learning experience. I

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01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: guess you want to say, because if you're going to

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01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: have someone in a position of power or aspiring to

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01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 2: a position of power on your platform, you have a

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01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 2: significant platform. There is some responsibility, some journalistic responsibility. Even

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01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 2: if you're not a journalist is my view, and like

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01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 2: you said, it doesn't have to be a grilling for

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01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 2: three hours or whatever, but difficult questions with some challenging

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01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 2: follow ups. I think is you know, a sort of

1414
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: bare minimum that should be ultimately expected here. And the

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01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 2: good thing about those platforms is that, unlike the maga

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01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 2: influencer world, where the only reason that some of these

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01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 2: people are relevant is because of their sickoptancy, you know,

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01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 2: because of their proximity to Trump, these guys don't need Trump.

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01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: They got their own audiences. They're doing their own thing.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's not the same like level of connect

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01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 2: where they have to be on Trump's good side in

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01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 2: order to make a money, make a living and be

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01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 2: funny and have their own audience. So you know, that

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Speaker 2: creates some possibilities here that I think is you know,

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Speaker 2: is a positive.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot more thoughts on this. It's actually

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Speaker 1: a very interesting conversation. I think twenty twenty four was

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01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: a very interesting moment in time. It was unique and

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Speaker 1: it will never happen again, both because it was almost

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01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: exclusively a right wing thing about going on podcast. There

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Speaker 1: will never be an election again where there's not at

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01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: least some leading contender, which is not going on. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at the Boodajedge episode, you mean idiot not to

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01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: go on Flair, or look at Rokanna on the Ovonne

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01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: or any of these other people. You're dumb if you're

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01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: not doing this. So, first of all, there's that, and

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Speaker 1: then second is the tenor of the convo is going

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01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: to be very different in my opinion, from going forward

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Speaker 1: or maybe I'm you know, hoping and coping