1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. As always, thank you 3 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Shout out to our super 4 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: producer Casey Pegram and a very special shout out to 5 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: our super producer Max Williams. I've ben Noel. Max is 6 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: with us today. He's with us corporeally, or at least 7 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: in in in zoom form, which is basically it's good. 8 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: That's about the best we can hope for these days. 9 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: Digital poorly will work. We'll work on that whatever whatever 10 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: it takes. Max, would you like to say a few 11 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: words to mark the occasion? Hey, everyone, I guess these 12 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: are first few words. Yeah, super excited to be here. Um, 13 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: super fun, I mean first time here, so I don't 14 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: know that's fun all I got to set. First time lurker, 15 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: no long time lurker, first time talker. Yes, welcome Max. 16 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us today. No, Max has been 17 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: doing a time of work with us behind the scenes. 18 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: And you know how we are. We're big fans of 19 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: of grabbing our friends and colleagues for the show, and 20 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: sometimes against their will, but they usually warm up too 21 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: the idea eventually. Yes, yeah, yeah, concentus key. So today 22 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: Max Noel and I are exploring uh strange tale from Pascagoula, Mississippi. 23 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: No Nol have you spent much time in Mississippi? I 24 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: spent basically effectively zero time in Mississippi. I imagine that 25 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: I have passed through it. Nothing really specifically comes to 26 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: minds as far as like a notable occurrence in my 27 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: life taking place in Mississippi. But I do love the 28 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: name Pascagoula. It sounds like kind of spooky. I think 29 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: it's because of the ghoul part. Maybe it makes me 30 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: think that it's like some sort of creepy town where 31 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: you know, ghoules live. But I don't think that's the 32 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: case at all. But there were some creepy occurrences that 33 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: took place in Pascagoula three years into World War Two, 34 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: in the summer of nineteen forty two. It was something 35 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: of a ghoul of a bit of a creeper, a 36 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: lurker of the night um. But thankfully there were no 37 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: throats cut, there were no people smothered with pillows where 38 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: they slept, but they there were some non consensual haircuts afoot. Yeah, Yeah, 39 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: that's that's where this already starts out in a pretty 40 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: unique way. So imagine you're in law and order Pascagoula. 41 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: Do you get to the get to the scene of 42 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: the crime where someone has been I shouldn't laugh, Where 43 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: someone has been in a way assaulted but not sexually, 44 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: and they haven't been physically harmed in terms of their limbs, 45 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: but their egos may have taken a tremendous blow because 46 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: their hair was gone, and I don't think they were 47 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: shaped there. Their entire heads weren't shaved, but they were 48 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: kind of like, uh, they were slapdash locks cut off, right. Yeah, 49 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: I mean we'll get we'll get more into the aesthetics 50 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 1: of it as we go along. But like I said, 51 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go with the phrase, like you 52 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: do for ambulance has been non consensual ubers, these are 53 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: non consensual haircuts. In nineteen forty two, this is all 54 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: kind of, you know, surrounding this war effort. The US 55 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: was absolutely in a nasty, nasty state socially society. Pearl Harbor, 56 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, obviously freed everybody out and was a real 57 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: kind of like come to Jesus moment in terms of like, okay, 58 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: maybe we're not as invincible as we thought against outside enemies. Um. 59 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: And so all of these young, strapping men went off 60 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: to fight that Jarman's in the Japanese overseas. Uh. And 61 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: of course, you know, as we know, like with um 62 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: Rosie the Riveter, in that whole campaign, women were taking 63 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: over all these factory jobs that were once held down 64 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: by men, and these small towns suddenly became responsible for 65 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: generating tons of stuff needed for the war effort. Yeah, exactly. 66 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: Pascagoulu is one of the many historically smaller towns that 67 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: have been transformed by the war. So they originally had 68 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: a population of about five thousand if you want a 69 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: ballpark it and in a very short amount of time 70 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: that ballooned it trebled to fifteen thousand. And a larger 71 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: population means a couple of things. Right first, it can 72 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: be a huge boost for the local businesses, but it 73 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: also means, you know it, to put it loosely, more people, 74 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: more problems. The police force is overwhelmed trying to keep 75 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: all these newcomer is in line. There's an uptick in 76 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: drunken brawls, break ins, all the petty street crime, but 77 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: by far the phantom barber was the menace that took 78 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: people most by surprise and that most people came to 79 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: worry about on a nightly basis. I do want to 80 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: point out that sometimes just a quick amendment here, sometimes 81 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: he was able to get a full head of hair 82 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: off people. I think. I mean, obviously, this is more 83 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: innocuous than a serial killer who was building some kind 84 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: of maccab shrine out of the severed limbs of his victim. 85 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: Which gotta wonder what the phantom barber was doing with 86 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: this Pilford hair. It's interesting though, he had kind of 87 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: a leg up because of the kind of army occupation 88 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: of this town, because the Army had something called blackout 89 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: regulations that made it easier for him to to get 90 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: his dirty deed done. He absolutely at this time resources 91 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: were out of premium, and it wasn't uncommon for either 92 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: do tech aconomic concerns or due to security concerns. It 93 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: wasn't uncommon for the army to institute restrictions on things. 94 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: You know, food could be rationed at times, rubber steel, 95 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: those industries were affected, and then blackout regulations were considered. 96 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: In this case, they were considered a security matter or 97 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: a patriotic duty, because the idea was that if you've 98 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: turned off lights electric lights at night, then it would 99 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: be more difficult for enemy forces to figure out where 100 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: they should bomb. Which makes sense. People could have lights 101 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: on at their houses, right, they just had to have 102 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: blackout curtains exactly. Um, but I think maybe, yeah, I 103 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: don't know. Blackout cooms to me seemed like a little 104 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: bit more of a maybe a modern innovation, But that's 105 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: not necessarily true. They would have had to use maybe 106 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: cardboard or even paint the windows, you know, to have 107 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: them be opaque so the light wouldn't come in. But 108 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: I think rather than do that, some people maybe just 109 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: turn the light out a little earlier than normal. Yeah, 110 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: it seems less hassle, right, it doesn't. Remember that episode 111 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: we did about the very innovative Frenchman who built the 112 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: tiny scale model of of Paris to try to throw 113 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: off the bombers. Similarly, right, because if they killed the 114 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: lights in the actual city and they built this kind 115 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: of you know, model where from the sky would look 116 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: much like you were seeing the Paris skyline, you would 117 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: only be able to achieve that if actual Paris was 118 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: totally blacked out. So it's all tracks, and let's let's 119 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: look at how these crimes began. As you said, no, 120 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 1: this begins in nineteen forty two, on Friday June five, 121 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: two women living at a convent called Our Lady of Victories, 122 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: one Mary Evelyn Briggs and one Edna Marie Hidel. They 123 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: were shocked when they saw a guy climbing out of 124 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: their bedroom window, and they saw him as he was 125 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: leaving h They were unharmed, but each of them was 126 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: missing a lock of hair, and max if we could 127 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: get a little like um, something kind of unsolved mystery vibe, 128 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: but not close enough to that to get us sued 129 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: while we give you a dramatic reading from the Greenville 130 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: News and only want to do the honors on this one. Oh, 131 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: by all means been The only victim of the hair 132 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: shere who woke in time to see the barber was 133 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: Mary Evelyn Bridges at Our Lady of Victories convent. I 134 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: saw a figure of a kind of short, fat man, 135 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: she said, bending over me with something shiny in his hand. 136 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: And he was fooling with my hand. When he saw 137 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: me open my eyes, he said, I yelled. He jumped 138 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: out the window, so he had to be an at 139 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: least kind of decent shape. He's jumping through windows and whatnot. 140 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: Look at this time, so w aller to the situation 141 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: with the mad gas or everybody in town, everybody in 142 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: the nation is pretty paranoid. Things are tense. Uh, there's 143 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: a lot of propaganda asking you to consider whether or 144 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: not your neighbor is indeed a spy. So this very 145 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: weird attack didn't do much to make people feel safer 146 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: in their homes. And by the time the next Monday 147 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: rolls around, the town is rife with stories and rumors. 148 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: In the game of telephone is already beginning. People are embellishing, 149 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: adding details, and this we can only imagine may have 150 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: been an incentive of sort to the Frowler. And this 151 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: is where we go. You know what, We're not gonna 152 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: maybe we call this Law and Order Pascagoula, but maybe 153 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: it's the episode that leads us to the spinoff Law 154 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: and order hair crime. Exactly. There's a special unit what 155 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: what what is it? Uh? In the criminal justice system, 156 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: some crimes are of uh what is it? Hairsuit nature? 157 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: Maybe a hairy person? Yeah, exactly, Um, what's that word here? Hairsuit? 158 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: Doesn't that refer to someone that's Harry. Yeah, I gotta 159 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: got it. These are their stories. But anyway, Yeah, it's like, 160 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: to me, though, this is scary because I look at 161 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: cutting a lock of hair as sort of a pervy, creepy, 162 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: fetishy thing. Um that that is how I see it, 163 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: unless he again, he has some like, you know, grand 164 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: scheme of building the ultimate wig Frankenstein together. That's still 165 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: creepy in pervy in and of itself. But like, we 166 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: know that people have like hair fetishes. But it's interesting 167 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: because hair, you know, is ultimately a waste product. Um. 168 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: There's a really great article in the New statesman um 169 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: that kind of breaks the very unusual and fraught human 170 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: hair trade down. Apparently it has quite a rich political backstory, 171 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: but it's true. I mean, you know, like wigs made 172 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: of human hair are the more sought after ones and 173 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: more expend so my kid is really into wigs. For example, 174 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: the synthetic ones are apparently a lot more difficult to style. 175 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: But there are other historical uses for human hair. For example, 176 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: it can be used to strengthen kind of mud and 177 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: dung wall, you know, situations in like adobe huts or 178 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: in Indian villages where they're using. This is like kind 179 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: of like a conduit to bind things together. It can 180 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: be used in in Irish vegetable gardens. Um hair is 181 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: sometimes mixed with other substances to repel snails um and 182 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: it can be woven into mats. And I always forget 183 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: about this Oneman, but it can be used to soak 184 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: up oil spills. Yeah, yeah, it can. It can also 185 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: be wound into ropes that can be well generally they're 186 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: put around rickshaws to word off bad luck. But you're right. 187 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: The hair trade, the human hair trade and specific is 188 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: pretty old. It was also not always super happy fun 189 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: time for the people of volved in the trade. In 190 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: eighteen forty, Thomas Trollope with an E watched hair dealers 191 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: rounding up peasant girls and sharing them like sheep. And 192 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: if you were in prisons, workhouses or hospitals in England 193 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds, you might find your head shaved 194 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: and those institutions might sell your hair for an extra 195 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: bit of income. And it's weird because this was such 196 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: a problem, as The New Statesman reports that during some 197 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: waves of US immigration, immigrants who consider themselves hair dealers 198 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: were actually barred from Ellis Islands. Still they were able 199 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: to get in and soon there was a booming hair 200 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: industry in the Big Apple in New York City itself. 201 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: That's right, I just want to go back to like 202 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: the you know, the shaving of someone's head, especially a 203 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: woman when they're incarcerated, for example. It's like a dehumanizing 204 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: thing to do, right, It's like saying like you are 205 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: no longer you no longer have an identity because so 206 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: many people tie their sense of self to the way 207 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: they look, and so much of the way some people 208 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: look is tied to the way they wear their hair. 209 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: So it really it's kind of a twofold thing, right, yeah, yeah, 210 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: And you know, there's ancient precedence to this. We can 211 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: rightly assume that many people from earlier cultures felt roughly 212 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: the same, like there's the One of the most infamous 213 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: stories of non consensual haircuts comes from the story of 214 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: Sampson right where he has where he has his hair 215 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: and then and there by his strength removed because he 216 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: gets he gets suckered in by a con artist. But 217 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: there are newer versions of these crimes. Because the industry 218 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: is so lucrative, the underground element gets involved and before, 219 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: way before the phantom Barber of Pascagoula, there were already 220 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: hair criminals and they were robbing, particularly women, of their hair. 221 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: This was like a well known crime. It was in 222 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty three The Hairdressers Journal wrote a piece about 223 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: this trend, both the warn people and to sell more 224 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: editions of the Hairdresser's Journal, Max kicking that music again perfect. 225 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: Even in the present day, it has happened over and 226 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: over again that a good crop of hair has been 227 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: laid and wait for and shorn from the trembling victim 228 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: who has only been too glad to get free with 229 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: but the loss of her hair. So they're saying, hey, 230 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: at least they didn't die. Waca waca waka, no doubt. 231 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: The Times of London actually reported on this uh in 232 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: April of eighteen nine, with the headline hair thieves not 233 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: alarmist at all. An American paper states that, in consequence 234 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: of the demand for hair of peculiar colors and shades, 235 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: a new brand of cleptic industry because I love that 236 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: cleptic industry has sprung up in New Walk. The trusses 237 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: dangling behind the head are easy prey, so that's correct. 238 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: People are literally running up behind these women and then 239 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: trying to get as much hair as they can as 240 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: quickly as possible. This is, to say the least, and 241 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: a troubling, if not traumatic experience. And you'll see other 242 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: reports from different magazines and papers of the day in 243 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: Europe and in the US. But there's something else at 244 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: play here, you see, there's not there. There are people 245 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: stealing hair for a financial motive, but then there are 246 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: also people who have frankly a fetish as their primary motivator. 247 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: And when they cut off someone's hair, overwhelmingly a woman's hair, 248 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: they're not planning to sell it. They covet it, they 249 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: take it home, they take they hide it, they touch 250 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: and cress and smell at it. It's it's weird. It's 251 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: like a control over someone. I mentioned that at the 252 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: top of the show. That definitely feels a little bit 253 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: more like what this phantom barber was up to, especially 254 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: with the whole home invasion aspect of it. Uh. And 255 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: the thing that I was getting out that I didn't 256 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: quite get to um is it feels like there's potential 257 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: for escalation here. A lot of times, you know, maybe 258 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: someone who has the potential to be rapist or a 259 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: murderer will start off kind of like edging at the 260 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: ultimate crime, right, Like you start off by breaking in 261 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: and cutting a lock of hair, but then that stops 262 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: doing it for you, and then you have to, like, 263 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, take it to the next level. And that's 264 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: the kind of thing you see in those Law and 265 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: Order episodes all the time, and it would certainly be 266 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: addressed in Law and Order hair crimes. But these uh, 267 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: hair fetishists. There's a couple of names for them that 268 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: seem maybe a little dated or like they were coined 269 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: back in these days, but I've never heard of these before, 270 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: and they're fascinating. One of them is called plate cutter. 271 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: Oh that's p L a I T. Correct or hair despoilers, 272 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: which kind of makes me think that they're doing something 273 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: to the hair afterwards when they get at home. Yeah, yeah, 274 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: hopefully they're just watching it. But this is this is 275 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: a family show. There's there's also I do want to 276 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: step back and point out another huge piece of mythology 277 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: and folklore here, which is that hair, along with things 278 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: like teeth or nail clippings. Toe and fingernail clippings are 279 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: are often considered to have religious or even magical significance. 280 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: It's a true story. Like if you get your hair 281 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: cut in some parts of the world today and the 282 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: common practices to burn it so that a miscreant magician 283 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: will not gather it for some nefarious use. Well, and 284 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: let's not forget I mean the modern you know, version 285 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: of magic in so many ways as science and what 286 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: are you looking for if you're trying to, like, you know, 287 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: pin a crime on somebody and you want to match 288 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: their DNA or something that seems the crime. There's that 289 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: old trick where you know, you you pluck a piece 290 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: of their hair while they're sleeping or something like that, 291 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: or you go in you know, their bathroom them and 292 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: like look for you know, lip marks on a glass 293 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: or something like that, or you steal a toothbrush. But 294 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: hair absolutely contains all of that. And they also say 295 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: that hair samples is one of the only ways you 296 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 1: can tell if someone has done certain classes of drug before, 297 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: Like there is a you know, like a urine samples 298 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: is one level, but it won't reveal everything. Hair apparently, 299 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: sort of like the rungs of a tree or the 300 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: rings in the inside of a tree, has much more 301 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: of a history to it as to like what someone 302 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: has consumed, and you can see if someone has done 303 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: classes of psychedelic drugs that won't show up in other tests. Yeah, yeah, 304 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad you brought that up, because for 305 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: anyone wondering, I believe the ballpark is about seven years. 306 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: Your hair is about a seven year record of your 307 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: encounters with certain substances. There are I remember hearing their 308 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: shampoos that can do something, but I would be very 309 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: if you're in a situation where that matters, I would 310 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: read very carefully about their efficacy. And it's a much 311 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: more expensive test. So you know, if your employer is 312 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: going for that one, they mean business, you know, in 313 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: terms of like they're not gonna let anything slide. Um. 314 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: Thankfully we work in podcasting and so we didn't have 315 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: to worry about that kind of stuff. No comments, but 316 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: let's talk about let's talk about this next attack. So 317 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: he said, the barber clearly is pretty excited. This is 318 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: their first reported attack. It is quite possible that they're 319 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: just one of the many people who moved to Pascagoula recently, 320 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: and that they have been doing other stuff escalating up 321 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: to this. Uh in some other town somewhere else. But 322 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: they appeared to love the press, or they couldn't control themselves, 323 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: because just a few days later, Monday June, at the 324 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: home of the p D family, the barber cuts a 325 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: slit in the windows screen. He crawls inside his victim, 326 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: a six year old child, Carold p D, sleeping next 327 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: to her twin brother. He only one of the young 328 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: lady's hair though. Yeah, super creepy, remember you know how, Gabe, 329 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: sometimes when we do these kind of like stories of 330 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: these weird lone wolf creepers, oftentimes there's like a series 331 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: of toys from the I think early nineties called Monster 332 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: in My Pocket, And there definitely was one of the 333 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: Jersey Devil, and there was definitely one of the Mad Gasser. 334 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: Don't know if the Phantom barber is quite ghoulish enough 335 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: to make that collection, but I would be interested to 336 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: see if that. He usually includes that as a little 337 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: addendum at the end. And by the way, there was 338 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: a Monster in My Pocket edition of of this figure. No, 339 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: it's true, and he seems to be getting more bold, 340 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: doesn't he. This time he was a little sloppy and 341 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: he left a clue behind for the hair squad. Um 342 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: the hair crime unit to take a look at. It 343 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: was a footprint near the window. And back then, like 344 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: you know, they didn't have DNA test, but a footprint 345 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: you could match it. You you literally have to like 346 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: do your detective work and go around to various shoe 347 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: stores and like you know, take the print and like 348 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: like have you seen this shoe? You know, I love that. 349 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: I love the analog nature of this early kind of 350 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: detective work. You know. Yeah, it's it's a noir Cinderella, 351 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: but we're looking for a creep rather than apprentice. The 352 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: point about escalation is key often times, unfortunately, as you 353 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: know if you're a fan of true crime, these sorts 354 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: of individuals can escalate both their sexual and their physical 355 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: violence to the point where murder can come into play. 356 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: And it looks like our barber is getting more and 357 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: more violent very quickly. It's only the next Friday night, 358 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: June when he invades the home of the Heidelberg family 359 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: and just like his emo with previous attacks, he cuts 360 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: the windows screen. He enters through the window, but instead 361 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: of just cutting hair and then sneaking away, he attacked 362 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: the couple with an iron bar and he actually knocked 363 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: out some of Mrs Heidelberg's front teeth knocked her husband unconscious. 364 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: So that's a concussion at the very least. And it 365 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: happened so quickly that neither of the Heidelberg's could really 366 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: describe their attack or even you know, even to the 367 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: degree that Mary did earlier. They couldn't say, this is 368 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: a short, rotund man. They said, I don't know what happened, 369 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,239 Speaker 1: you know, but this guy knocked my teeth out. And 370 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: so the police, they're already, remember, overwhelmed by a huge 371 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: population growth of like ten thousand strangers. But they find 372 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: six men, they deputize them. They bring him bloodhounds and 373 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: they say, they say, let's get on the case. Done indeed, 374 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: Um do do do dode do do do do do 375 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: do do do do do? Sorry, I actually watched it 376 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: SVU last night, so that theme is impetded deep, deep, 377 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: deep within my psyche right now. But yeah, you bring 378 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: in the bloodhounds. You know, the pitchforks are next, you know, torches. 379 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: I mean they are after this guy literally, you know, 380 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: out for blood, which is what the bloodhounds are are 381 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: searching for. Um, everybody knows that. But the dogs were 382 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: able to pick up a scent, presumably from a pair 383 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: of blood stained gloves. Um. This totally supports my thesis 384 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: on like the outskirts of town, the edge of the 385 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: woods kinda. But that's where they lost the trail, and 386 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: the police believed that the criminal behind these attacks had 387 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: stored a bicycle somewhere in the woods to make his 388 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: daring escape on a bike. That doesn't sound very exciting 389 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: to me, but I mean, you know, it's it's functional. 390 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: So fortunately the Heidelberg's have survived. But everyone is panicking now, 391 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: even the people who had perhaps more of a level 392 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: head during the previous two attacks. Men decreed that they 393 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: wouldn't work night shifts at the ship factories anymore because 394 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: they needed to stay home and protect their family, or 395 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,479 Speaker 1: at least their families hair. And this had a direct 396 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: impact on production for the war efforts. Now there's gonna 397 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: be some federal pressure coming in. The police are at 398 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: a loss what the heck is going on. They offer 399 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: a three hundred dollar reward for information. Oh, Ben, I'm 400 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: already there. Can I do it this time? Yeah? Nol? 401 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: How about you do the honors with a little bit 402 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: of inflation calculation there. That would be the equivalent of 403 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: about one thousand, five hundred six dollars and seventy six 404 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: cents and today money, which to me seems that seems 405 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: a little light, doesn't it for for a home and 406 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: a home invader who's knocking out teeth and slicing locks. Well, 407 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: they may have had the threat of federal pressure, but 408 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: they weren't getting federal funding for this, and we're already 409 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 1: in a very vulnerable position. Women outright refused to go 410 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: out at night. People started applying for firearm permits. They 411 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: were getting ready. They sensed the pattern, and they predicted 412 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: there would be another attack. As mental Floss points out, 413 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: in this case, their predictions were correct. The final attack 414 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: that we know of occurs on a Sunday night. Mrs R. E. 415 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: Taylor has her hair non consensually cut. She said she 416 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: had been woken by something with a sickening smell passing 417 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: over her nose. So that he's a smelly boy too. 418 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: It makes sense, you know, he's he's obviously a some 419 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: sort of societal outcast, you know, who has no way 420 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: of interacting with human beings. I mean, you gotta wonder, though, 421 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: was he known. He seems like he would not do well, 422 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: just socially, and he would he would be seen as 423 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: kind of a miscreant or like someone who couldn't really 424 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: just get it get on day to day with with 425 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: normal people. That's just my theory though. So I'm wondering 426 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: if he lived out in the woods or something and 427 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: was sleeping rough, like say Ben, like if that's why, 428 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: maybe that's why he smelled bad and everybody noticed. Like I. So, 429 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: the way that a lot of Law and Order episodes 430 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: get written is there what a clearly telegraph who the 431 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: criminal is. Right, first rule is it's almost always going 432 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: to be the famous guest star, and that's always a 433 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: lot of fun. But in this I picture, like I 434 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: I picture maybe police just not putting together the puzzle. 435 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: Like there's a guy who comes into town once a 436 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: week or so for every few days to pick up 437 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: some really specific groceries, and the only person he talks 438 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: to is the cashier, and all he wants to talk 439 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: to about is people's hair. So he's like, hey, did 440 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: you see, uh, look at that lady going through that 441 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: the blonde hair. What do you think about that? They're like, yes, sir, 442 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: it's Sunday. People get dressed up and He's like, Yeah, 443 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: what do you how long you think it takes them 444 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: to do their hair like that? What do you think 445 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: about that? So so, I like it seems the theory 446 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: that someone might be sleeping rough seems to have some sand. 447 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: I would argue it sounds like they weren't showering, or 448 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: maybe they were trying to apply some sort of chemical. 449 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: This is maybe maybe that's the smell of something like 450 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: a chloroform rag or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, but 451 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people have this misunderstanding of chloroform from 452 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: the world of fiction. You can't really just pop it 453 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: over someone's mouth and then take it away and have 454 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: them in sensate for a long time. You have to 455 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: keep it on understanding. Yeah. Yeah, it always seems like 456 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: a magic bullet whenever you see it done in these 457 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: these films, are people sneak up behind them, They're just 458 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: out like a light, you know, indefinitely, and then they 459 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: wake up in some sort of you know, hair covered layer. 460 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: That's what I'm picturing, just locks of hair all over 461 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: the wall, woven into like weird garlands or something. I 462 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: really do think this feels like an episode of Law 463 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: and Order. Ben, Are you familiar with the term. Obviously 464 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: there's who done it, but then there's how catch them? 465 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: Where they show you who it is at the big inning, 466 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: and then you like just kind of have to see 467 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: how the detectives are the you know, crack team of 468 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: investigators catch to the individual. I've never heard that that's interesting. 469 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: There's a sample. There's a show called luther Um starring 470 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: in dress elba Um, where at the very beginning of 471 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: every episode you see it's like a cold open where 472 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: you see a crime taking place and you very clearly 473 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: see who the who the killer is, and then you 474 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: see them in you know, their daily lives and oftentimes 475 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: they cross paths with the investigators or there's someone who 476 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: they're actively looking into. Colombo is a how catch them? 477 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: You always see who the killer is or who the 478 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: criminal is at the very beginning, and you know who 479 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: it is throughout the whole show. The twist isn't in 480 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: who they are. The twist is and how they're caught. 481 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: I see. Okay, Yeah, it's interesting, and there's a little 482 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: human detail we have to add. For miss r E. Taylor. 483 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: For anyone who's ever had a perm you understand that 484 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: this is something this can be kind of a big deal. 485 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: It makes you feel nice when you have your hair dined. 486 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: She is further upset by this attack because she has 487 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: just gotten a perm and now she's lost two inches 488 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: of it. She woke up feeling ill. One way that 489 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: newspapers of the time reported the cases, they referred to 490 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: this criminal as a tonsorial artist. Tonsorial is a fancy 491 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: dressed up word for barber or the work of a barber. 492 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: I did not know that. I had no idea. That's great. Um, 493 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: So you know, pressure is mounting, uh to low for 494 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: local law enforcement to find somebody to pin this on, 495 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: because you know, you can't have somebody just willy nilly 496 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: running around this town when everyone's under so much pressure 497 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: and stress because the boys being off at war and 498 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: all of these ships they gotta build, they gotta build it. 499 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've mentioned specifically, but they're Stock 500 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: and Trade here in Pascagoula was building warships, So I 501 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: mean that's kind of a big deal, and that's a 502 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: lot of work. So this isn't cool. This is not 503 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: doing much good for anybody's mental health. So the cops 504 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: are very much looking to pin this on somebody, and 505 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: they get their wish in the form of a William Dolan, 506 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: a fifty seven year old chemists, sounds exactly like, uh, 507 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: everything we've been saying in terms of, like, you know, 508 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: the the profile, right, he's a fifty seven year old chemist, 509 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: and he had had beef with Mr Heidelberg's father, who 510 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: was a local magistrate, and that was over a legal issue. 511 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: So they believed that he maybe had attacked the couple 512 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: out of revenge. But see that detail here doesn't track 513 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: to me ben these previous attacks. Clearly Again, we're we're 514 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: not looking for someone who's out for revenge. We're looking 515 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: for someone who's out to kind of get some sort 516 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: of sick thrill or pleasure out of this crime, not 517 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: someone who's trying to you know, make a statement. Yeah, 518 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,959 Speaker 1: this is so they're good. Everybody's strapping. They're gonna be 519 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: some twist and turns here. So from the Daily Times, 520 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: we can get a breaking news max perfect from the 521 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: Daily Times. Police GEF A. W as Well played today 522 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: that the fat of Barbara woke into at least ten 523 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: homes that cut the hair of the sleepy documents. Is 524 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: William ay Dolan, fifty seven German educated chemists Dolan, as 525 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: an announced, has been in jail for three weeks and 526 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: his charge with the attempted murder of the Heidelberg's. His 527 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: motivation as l charge was to impair the morale of 528 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: wall workers, which sounds like politicizing, Yeah, but here's the thing. 529 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, because it does like we're making a 530 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: very easy understandable case for why the police would want 531 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: to escapegoat which happens, which does happen. But they knew 532 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: that his problems with the local magistrate due to his 533 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: earlier arrest a few months back for trespassing didn't directly 534 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 1: tie him to the invasions. But when they went to 535 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: his house to search his house, dude, they found a 536 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: huge bundle of human hair behind his whole world. Do 537 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: you think they like planted it on him, dude? I 538 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: mean that really that's a little on the nose there. 539 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, that is fascinating. Chap Man just have 540 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: his hairball. I mean, come on, you know, this is America. 541 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: But that whole idea of this is America really played 542 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: into it, and the whole wartime kind of mindset, because 543 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: like we said, this gentleman was of German descent, so 544 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: of course, the press jumped right on that and started 545 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: calling him a Nazi saboteur who was known to have 546 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: German sympathies, you know, and and this was just absolutely 547 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: perfect excuse to railroad this gentleman, exactly. Yes, so he 548 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: insisted he was innocent, but yeah, he's immediately found guilty 549 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: of attempted murder, ten years in prison. He never gets 550 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: charged with any crimes related to the hair snatching, but 551 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: he has been found guilty in the court of public opinion. 552 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: As some of the paranoia dies down. Six years later, 553 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: then Mississippi Governor Fielding Right looked over the case and 554 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: he said, hey, let's have Dolan take a lie detector 555 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: test because those are super helpful. Right, people still stooke 556 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: lie detectors for science at this time, and Dolan past 557 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: is polygraph test. He was given a limited suspended sentence. 558 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: He was eventually set free, But now he became a freeman, 559 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: despite you know, probably not being welcome in Pascagoula for 560 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: the rest of his life. But now the thing is, 561 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: as we closed today's episode, you might not be surprised 562 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: to learn that modern historians wonder whether Dolan was guilty 563 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: of any crime at all, because there's some of the 564 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: stuff you just mentioned in the zeitgeist at the time. Yeah, Ben, 565 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: what was the actually convicted of? It was just for 566 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: like this, this this home invasion, like the when when 567 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: we say attempted murder, the punching, like then the knocking 568 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: out of the teeth or what? What? Which? Which crime 569 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: exactly was he connected to? Yeah, he was penning with 570 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: the assault on the Heidelberg's the one with the iron 571 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: bar got it. So the teeth knocking out incident. Just 572 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: making sure I'm keeping these straight. But again in any 573 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,439 Speaker 1: of the court documents, and maybe they tried to make 574 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: the case but it didn't fly. I mean, obviously, you 575 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: know with these kinds of things, they want to have 576 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: an ironclad case. They don't want to um confuse the 577 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: jury of in any way. But they would have been 578 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: so aware of this string of attacks, and the hair 579 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: part of it was so front and center, right, I'm 580 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: wondering how they were able to quiet the public's you know, 581 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: concerns if hair was not part of the equation. Yeah, 582 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: it's a good question at this point. You know, maybe 583 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: the mob just wanted to see someone go down and 584 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: they all knew that Dolan had ties to Germany. A 585 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: lot of townsfolk considered him a trader. It also would 586 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: have been really easy to plant that hair plant that 587 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: hairball during Dolan's arrest. You could also tamper with the 588 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: evidence that got sent to the FBI. But now with 589 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: this point we have to say, it will probably never 590 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: be clear whether Dolan was the genuine phantom barber of 591 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: Pascagoula or whether he was a scapegoat who was sort 592 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: of sacrificed on the altar of public safety, right or 593 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: the altar of public um comfort. You go, there we go, 594 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: And now this this draws to a closed man. Uh, 595 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: I think we both love these stories, but no, we 596 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: gotta gotta check with Max. Max, you joined up with 597 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History because you're pretty familiar with hair crime, correct, Sure, 598 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: I know a lot about a hair crime that just 599 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 1: in tim you know, there's there's. It comes in many 600 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: shapes and sizes. I mean, you could consider a bad 601 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: haircut to be a hair crime, you know, against humanity, 602 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,959 Speaker 1: or at the very least, like a friend of mine 603 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: recently got a haircut that ended up being something of 604 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: a mullet, and even the barber or the stylist themselves 605 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: were were deeply apologetic and had to make it right. 606 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: You can't make amends for hair crime, but there are 607 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: some hair crimes that are unforgivable. Yeah, it's true. I 608 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: think everybody's had a disappointing haircut at some point or another. 609 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: I was actually growing up. I got threatened with hair 610 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: crime by the lady who cuts young Ben Bullen's hair. 611 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: I was, you know, I think she was trying to 612 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: help me. In retrospect, I want to see what you 613 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: guys think. So I was a child of very particular 614 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: and peculiar taste. I had a haircut that I liked. 615 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: It was a bowl cut, and I wanted that. I thought, 616 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: that's fine, I will wear jogging suits and have a 617 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 1: bowl cut for the rest of my life. Nothing weird. 618 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: And then she would regularly threaten me with that. She 619 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: was saying that if I did not behave she was 620 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: going to give me a mohawk. Wow, messing with me 621 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: or helping me. I would have been so accidentally cool, 622 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: accidentally cool. No, it's true. I once have supported a 623 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: flat top for a period I did, which is a 624 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: very nineteen thirties kind of look. You know what, I 625 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: mean where at shaved on the side and literally get 626 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: the style it with palm aide and it's it's perfectly 627 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: flat on the top. I remember I had this barber 628 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: named Dennis who drove a motorcycle and I thought he 629 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: was so cool. He kind of looked like Willie Nelson, 630 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: but he was all about giving me this flaptop and 631 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: my parents seemed cool with it. Um. I also had 632 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: a rat tail for a little while. God, the choices 633 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: we make. Sometimes we we we can commit hair crimes 634 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: against ourselves. That's true, self inflicted hair crime. It's it's 635 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: a big concern. We should probably make a charity or 636 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: non uh in GEO specifically for hair crime, but we'll 637 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 1: have to do that off the air. 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